Training Camp Position by Position

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From hailRedskins Staff Writer CNYSkinFan:Training Camp is here and now the real work starts. Players are fighting for Every is signed and in camp with Landry being a late appearance the Redskins will report to training camp with virtually the same players listed on the roster right now. Over the course of the next 5 weeks the list of 84 players will be reduced, week by week, until the magic number of 53.

So here we go a position by position look at the Roster, including the projected starters and depth of each position. I will also list people On the Bubble as having a chance at taking out some of the Depth guys, and the camp fodder who dread the first day of cuts like Michael Vick dreads his date with destiny in October.Read it all! (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=59)

[lavarsamonster]

I dont know how this will work numbers wise, but i think that sartz and blades both make the squad, as well as one of those bubble db's, i just don't see them carrying 5 safeties, but looking at all 6 i don't know if id cut any of them

[redskin_rich]

Neither TE Ecker or QB Palmer are making the roster. Both will be stashed somehow.
It's Jerametrius Butler, not Armstrong.
I'm hoping Doughty takes the final Safety spot and not Fox.
According to your projections, we will have no backup FB. That and razor thin depth at TE could be a problem.

[jaylen]

Good analysis by the way but I think you have the obvious covered except for missing on Heyer who I think makes the squad Bugel seems to like the kids potential.

I think there are 3-5 guys who may come outta nowhere to impress. The candidates for actually getting on the field in some sort of playing time are, Heyer with Samuels injury and his solid athleticism has a shot at replacing Chris possibly Fabinin the best bet tough.

I think one of the young De's could come outta no where as a player to get a shot. I think Hickman has a chance to make alittle noise this preseason. Just a hunch.

Mason I think impresses during the preseason games as well with Blayolock possibly getting left out.

Westbrook might stick as well.

[shally]

i think there will be a couple of surprises based upon injuries and taking advantage of a situation.
ecker looks to be ticketed for the PS.. ditto sartz if he stays injured
hoyer has his future in his own hands as he is starting now over fabini
the tightest fights are going to be in the secondary at corner and safety where some roster level players are going to get cut. we cant keep them all and i expect to see some former skins on PS or even rosters come september.
they might try to sneak a player or 2 by on IR but that is far riskier now than in the past

[Keino]

Yea, if Heyer is practicing with the 1st Unit then something tells me he is probably making this team. According to LaCanfora, he was. Go Terps.

[skinsfan36]

my roster surprises are heyer at last oline spot,westbrook as last corner and doughty as last safety,im pulling for buzbee or hickman to

[Death_Venom]

Good article.......I can that I agree with 99% of it..........

[BurgundyNGold]

Neither TE Ecker or QB Palmer are making the roster. Both will be stashed somehow.
It's Jerametrius Butler, not Armstrong.
I'm hoping Doughty takes the final Safety spot and not Fox.
According to your projections, we will have no backup FB. That and razor thin depth at TE could be a problem.
Ecker will make the roster. And (Bob help me) Manny White comes back from working at Kinkos to make the roster because there is literally nobody else at FB.

[skins111111]

Good analysis by the way but I think you have the obvious covered except for missing on Heyer who I think makes the squad Bugel seems to like the kids potential.

He likes him enough to invest some precious time on him to see what we have, heres hoping it works out:)

[hockeygoalie29]

Nice job CNY, your list looks pretty good. My bold prediction is:

Because of the injuries we had at corner last year and this teams affair with Ade Jimoh we keep 6 corners and only 4 safetys. The top 5 corners on our roster all have starting experiance which would make Jimoh the odd man out but I think they keep him over Vernon Fox. Both of them are strictly special teams guys who shouldn't see the field on defense unless we have extensive injuries so it comes down to their special teams play. Although Fox is a good special teams guy, Jimoh wins that battle hands down.

That leaves us with 4 safetys: Taylor and Landry starting with Prioleau and Stoutmire backing up. It also guarantees we have Doughty on the practice squad to be called up in case of injury.

[dj_stouty]

My guess is that Dustin is assuming Rock would be a pseudo-FB backup if needed.

With all of the injuries on the O-line, I think the Redskins should consider investing an extra roster spot in depth in this area. Ever since Samuels went down, I haven't been sleeping well at night.

Blades will make the team. He was drafted to be groomed by Fletcher.

Sorry fellas, but Al Saunders won't let Collins go...

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Nice job CNY, your list looks pretty good. My bold prediction is:

Because of the injuries we had at corner last year and this teams affair with Ade Jimoh we keep 6 corners and only 4 safetys. The top 5 corners on our roster all have starting experiance which would make Jimoh the odd man out but I think they keep him over Vernon Fox. Both of them are strictly special teams guys who shouldn't see the field on defense unless we have extensive injuries so it comes down to their special teams play. Although Fox is a good special teams guy, Jimoh wins that battle hands down.

That leaves us with 4 safetys: Taylor and Landry starting with Prioleau and Stoutmire backing up. It also guarantees we have Doughty on the practice squad to be called up in case of injury.

I have had my fill of Vernon Fox too. I wouldn't mind him off the roster.

EDIT: Very good analysis CNY.

[CNYSkinFan]

Ok here are a few responses

I dont know how this will work numbers wise, but i think that sartz and blades both make the squad, as well as one of those bubble db's, i just don't see them carrying 5 safeties, but looking at all 6 i don't know if id cut any of them

The Redskins have carried 5 safeties under Gibbs a coiuple of times, the last two years to be exact. I think we will do so again.

Neither TE Ecker or QB Palmer are making the roster. Both will be stashed somehow.
It's Jerametrius Butler, not Armstrong.
I'm hoping Doughty takes the final Safety spot and not Fox.
According to your projections, we will have no backup FB. That and razor thin depth at TE could be a problem.

Exker almost definitely is the third TE because well there is no one else. I think Palmer will make it because the Redskins under Gibbs have never stashed a QB on PS and I don't think they will release him for Collins. Maybe Bralet, but not Collins.

Good analysis by the way but I think you have the obvious covered except for missing on Heyer who I think makes the squad Bugel seems to like the kids potential.

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Westbrook might stick as well.

Yeah Heyer could get the last spot, but remember Joe Harvey was being talked about early last year as well. But I am going to pay more attention to Heyer. Westbrook I like but I think he is PS as he wont supplant any of the 5 vets ahead of him.

my roster surprises are heyer at last oline spot,westbrook as last corner and doughty as last safety,im pulling for buzbee or hickman to

I don't see Doughty t be all that good. I don't know why people like him so much. Fox is a decent safety and a great ST guy, i rather go to war with him,

Ecker will make the roster. And (Bob help me) Manny White comes back from working at Kinkos to make the roster because there is literally nobody else at FB.

Be careful Spicy will say Manny is in your basement....wait a minute...now it all makes sense

Nice job CNY, your list looks pretty good. My bold prediction is:

Because of the injuries we had at corner last year and this teams affair with Ade Jimoh we keep 6 corners and only 4 safetys. The top 5 corners on our roster all have starting experiance which would make Jimoh the odd man out but I think they keep him over Vernon Fox. Both of them are strictly special teams guys who shouldn't see the field on defense unless we have extensive injuries so it comes down to their special teams play. Although Fox is a good special teams guy, Jimoh wins that battle hands down.

That leaves us with 4 safetys: Taylor and Landry starting with Prioleau and Stoutmire backing up. It also guarantees we have Doughty on the practice squad to be called up in case of injury.

As I said earlier we usually keep 5 safeties. IN fact at times we have kept 4 corners while keeping 5 safeties. I think that is because p2 can play corner in a pinch. I do think we will keep 5 corners and 5 safeties with p2 able to pplay both.

My guess is that Dustin is assuming Rock would be a pseudo-FB backup if needed.

With all of the injuries on the O-line, I think the Redskins should consider investing an extra roster spot in depth in this area. Ever since Samuels went down, I haven't been sleeping well at night.

Blades will make the team. He was drafted to be groomed by Fletcher.

Sorry fellas, but Al Saunders won't let Collins go...

Rock or Cooley or even Yoder. And Remember Betts, we are going to see some more 2 back sets, if Sellers gets hurt mid game we could see a combination of two te sets and two back sets until the game is over and then sign a FB after the game.

[redskin_rich]

Exker almost definitely is the third TE because well there is no one else. I think Palmer will make it because the Redskins under Gibbs have never stashed a QB on PS and I don't think they will release him for Collins. Maybe Bralet, but not Collins.


You may as well start your whining now, because Collins ain't going anywhere. Bank on it.
Ecker will end up on IR or the PS and Palmer will go to the PS at best. I know this team doesn't usually PS a QB and for good reason, it's a waste of a spot but since they drafted the kid, they have to do something with him and it won't be putting him on the roster as the 3rd QB.

I don't know why you prefer Fox over Doughty. Doughty is a better tackler, is smarter and has an upside. Fox has proven to be nothing but a special teamer, with no upside. We have enough of those on this team.

[CNYSkinFan]

You may as well start your whining now, because Collins ain't going anywhere. Bank on it.
Ecker will end up on IR or the PS and Palmer will go to the PS at best. I know this team doesn't usually PS a QB and for good reason, it's a waste of a spot but since they drafted the kid, they have to do something with him and it won't be putting him on the roster as the 3rd QB.

I don't know why you prefer Fox over Doughty. Doughty is a better tackler, is smarter and has an upside. Fox has proven to be nothing but a special teamer, with no upside. We have enough of those on this team.

I actually dont care too much about Collins this year. My biggest problem was that he was impeding the progress of JLC. Unless Saunders starts pulling him up from 3rd qb to start then I could care less if he is on the roster. IN fact thirsd qb is just fine with me for Collins.

My reasoning for the Redskins getting rid of Collins is simple. If Collins roster spot was assured, why draft Palmer in the first place? Now even if we ignore the fact tat the Redskins have historically not wasted a spot on PS on a 4th Qb then drafting Palmer for the PS still makes no sense. Supposedly we drafted Palmer because we were afraid someone else would (otherwise we could have waited until UFDAs to sign him). For a player to go on PS he first muist be cut by the team, some other team may want to give him a shot at the third QB, or Palmer may want to go somewhere there is not a young QB starting already (say Atlanta, Miami, KC perhaps?) where he may get a shot to start in a few years or at least a roster spot.

[dj_stouty]

Supposedly we drafted Palmer because we were afraid someone else would (otherwise we could have waited until UFDAs to sign him).

I think we drafted Palmer because that is the name on the draft board in which Danny and Vinny's tossed dart struck. ;)

Honestly, I think the reason they drafted him and relegated Bramlet to the NFLE was to see which one would end up being the better player for the PS. It is clear that Brunell won't be a Redskin next year, so they are trying to find their QB3 for next year who they can stash on the PS this year and let him slowly learn the system.

Collins is safe for another year, I'm afraid.

[shally]

I think we drafted Palmer because that is the name on the draft board in which Danny and Vinny's tossed dart struck. ;)

Honestly, I think the reason they drafted him and relegated Bramlet to the NFLE was to see which one would end up being the better player for the PS. It is clear that Brunell won't be a Redskin next year, so they are trying to find their QB3 for next year who they can stash on the PS this year and let him slowly learn the system.

Collins is safe for another year, I'm afraid.

you think collins is safe ? i am not so sure

[SkinsfaninNJ]

you think collins is safe ? i am not so sure

I'm not so sure either. I think it may depend on the health of JC and Brunell. Assuming both are full go during preseason, I think Collins loses his spot to one of the younger guys.

[dj_stouty]

you think collins is safe ? i am not so sure

Of course he is safe!

Take a look at his career in Kansas City. The guy was a backup QB for 8 straight years in KC and he only threw the ball 27 times. (18 were completions) Al likes him around for some reason, and I don't see why he would dump him now; especially when replacement options include the likes of Bramlet and Palmer.

Now, if the Skins had better QBs like Griese or Batch competing for a roster spot, then I'd agree with you. But we don't...

[shally]

I'm not so sure either. I think it may depend on the health of JC and Brunell. Assuming both are full go during preseason, I think Collins loses his spot to one of the younger guys.

that is the way i see it. if brunell is healthy, then collins is gone.

if there are issues about MB's shoulder then they keep collins

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Of course he is safe!

Take a look at his career in Kansas City. The guy was a backup QB for 8 straight years in KC and he only threw the ball 27 times. (18 were completions) Al likes him around for some reason, and I don't see why he would dump him now; especially when replacement options include the likes of Bramlet and Palmer.

Now, if the Skins had better QBs like Griese or Batch competing for a roster spot, then I'd agree with you. But we don't...

Yes, but Collins as #3 goes against tradition. Collins was a perfect #2, but here he is a #3 with Brunell as our perfect #2. Generally, if you have a young guy starting, you have a veteran as #2 and a younger project as #3.

That's the set up I would prefer, and it makes sense. If you have a serious injury at any point during the season to JC, you can always bring back a Collins, Testeverde or whatever other veteran is out there to be #2 behind Brunell.

[redskin_rich]

I actually dont care too much about Collins this year. My biggest problem was that he was impeding the progress of JLC. Unless Saunders starts pulling him up from 3rd qb to start then I could care less if he is on the roster. IN fact thirsd qb is just fine with me for Collins.

My reasoning for the Redskins getting rid of Collins is simple. If Collins roster spot was assured, why draft Palmer in the first place? Now even if we ignore the fact tat the Redskins have historically not wasted a spot on PS on a 4th Qb then drafting Palmer for the PS still makes no sense. Supposedly we drafted Palmer because we were afraid someone else would (otherwise we could have waited until UFDAs to sign him). For a player to go on PS he first muist be cut by the team, some other team may want to give him a shot at the third QB, or Palmer may want to go somewhere there is not a young QB starting already (say Atlanta, Miami, KC perhaps?) where he may get a shot to start in a few years or at least a roster spot.

First off, you are applying logic to why they drafted Palmer, when there is none. It was a stupid pick that wasn't needed this year and now they have to deal with it.
Secondly, you are assuming that if we cut Palmer, some other team will put him on their active roster. That simply isn't going to happen. He will clear and be re-signd to the PS or he may turn up with an injury and be IR'ed. One way or another the Skins will stash him.

[Keino]

First off, you are applying logic to why they drafted Palmer, when there is none. It was a stupid pick that wasn't needed this year and now they have to deal with it.
Secondly, you are assuming that if we cut Palmer, some other team will put him on their active roster. That simply isn't going to happen. He will clear and be re-signd to the PS or he may turn up with an injury and be IR'ed. One way or another the Skins will stash him.

It was a horrible pick, just as the Sartz and Ecker picks were as well. Palmer ain't making the active Roster with vets ahead of him. It's not going to happen.

[shally]

It was a horrible pick, just as the Sartz and Ecker picks were as well. Palmer ain't making the active Roster with vets ahead of him. It's not going to happen.

especially if he looks less impressive than bramlet in camp..

i still think he gets stashed on the PS

sartz and ecker could grow into decent players. way too early to tell about them

[Patrick]

Well done projection on the PbP for training camp. Be interesting to see how close you come - I'd say you're at about 85% even closer if injuries don't factor in BUT thats a very big IF (i'm afraid).
Right now one of your bubble projections has moved up on the depth charts to working with the starter - Heyer - BUT this means nothing. Seen it happen before and the next week the guy(s) were cut.
IMO - each one of those OL bubble guys is going to be given a decent chance to make an impression.
AND of course there WILL be someone on our openning day roster who is NOT in training camp at the moment.
Got to love all the guessing that training camp brings us.......... :awesomewo

[dj_stouty]

Yes, but Collins as #3 goes against tradition. Collins was a perfect #2, but here he is a #3 with Brunell as our perfect #2. Generally, if you have a young guy starting, you have a veteran as #2 and a younger project as #3.

That's the set up I would prefer, and it makes sense. If you have a serious injury at any point during the season to JC, you can always bring back a Collins, Testeverde or whatever other veteran is out there to be #2 behind Brunell.

Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with you about having a bonifide #1 QB starter...a vet as backup QB#2 ...and a younger developmental QB at #3. However, the Redskins are not in a normal situation. Campbell has only 7 starts under his belt in a very complicated offensive system. Brunell is the guy who Gibbs feels can walk on the field at any given time and manage the game well enough to save a win. However, Brunell still has only 9 total starts in Al's system. Collins is the guy with the vast knowledge of this complicated system. I'm sure Al feels comfortable having him around. Everything is revolving around JC this year...from Brunell being there as a mentor, and Collins as an expert on the system. The FO has invested too much time and resources not to...

[James F. Quinn]

Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with you about having a bonifide #1 QB starter...a vet as backup QB#2 ...and a younger developmental QB at #3. However, the Redskins are not in a normal situation. Campbell has only 7 starts under his belt in a very complicated offensive system. Brunell is the guy who Gibbs feels can walk on the field at any given time and manage the game well enough to save a win. However, Brunell still has only 9 total starts in Al's system. Collins is the guy with the vast knowledge of this complicated system. I'm sure Al feels comfortable having him around. Everything is revolving around JC this year...from Brunell being there as a mentor, and Collins as an expert on the system. The FO has invested too much time and resources not to...

Maybe the pragmatic thinking is - if Jason is the one, we don't need to be developing a successor yet, so let's keep the veteran 2A and 2B this year.

If Jason ISN'T the one, we are unlikely to find the next potential one in the sixth round or among the walk-ons, so we use next year's top drat pick on the next Payton Manning - or Joey Harrington.

[CNYSkinFan]

I think we drafted Palmer because that is the name on the draft board in which Danny and Vinny's tossed dart struck. ;)

Honestly, I think the reason they drafted him and relegated Bramlet to the NFLE was to see which one would end up being the better player for the PS. It is clear that Brunell won't be a Redskin next year, so they are trying to find their QB3 for next year who they can stash on the PS this year and let him slowly learn the system.

Collins is safe for another year, I'm afraid.

You dont sraft to stash pon PS. or at least you shouldn't. If they do that then you can imagine my crying about 2nd day picks come April next year.

First off, you are applying logic to why they drafted Palmer, when there is none. It was a stupid pick that wasn't needed this year and now they have to deal with it.
Secondly, you are assuming that if we cut Palmer, some other team will put him on their active roster. That simply isn't going to happen. He will clear and be re-signd to the PS or he may turn up with an injury and be IR'ed. One way or another the Skins will stash him.

Then again Rich speaks the truth. I am applying logic to a FO that has little to none.

[CNYSkinFan]

Well done projection on the PbP for training camp. Be interesting to see how close you come - I'd say you're at about 85% even closer if injuries don't factor in BUT thats a very big IF (i'm afraid).
Right now one of your bubble projections has moved up on the depth charts to working with the starter - Heyer - BUT this means nothing. Seen it happen before and the next week the guy(s) were cut.
IMO - each one of those OL bubble guys is going to be given a decent chance to make an impression.
AND of course there WILL be someone on our openning day roster who is NOT in training camp at the moment.
Got to love all the guessing that training camp brings us.......... :awesomewo
yep Jasper Harvey of last year. Big praise and then nothing after the final cut.

[Hrabanmaur]

Yes, but Collins as #3 goes against tradition. Collins was a perfect #2, but here he is a #3 with Brunell as our perfect #2. Generally, if you have a young guy starting, you have a veteran as #2 and a younger project as #3.

Uhhhh. Who's tradition? Certainly not Saunders. In Kansas City, his three quarterbacks in 2004 and 2005 were Trent Green, Damon Huard, and Todd Collins -- all of whom were well over 30 years of age.

Was it the wisest move? I don't know, but they had three adequate QBs who knew the system well.

I don't think there's any hard and fast rule for the #3 QB. All I know is that if for some reason JC doesn't pan out this year, I doubt Palmer is going to be the solution. And if he can't beat out Todd Collins for the emergency QB position in camp, then he shouldn't make the roster. We should go into the season with the best players available.

I agree with some of the other posts that it was a foolish pick. There's a reason he went all the way to the 6th round despite having one of the most recognizable pedigrees in last year's draft.

[Battle Cat]

You may as well start your whining now, because Collins ain't going anywhere. Bank on it.
Ecker will end up on IR or the PS and Palmer will go to the PS at best. I know this team doesn't usually PS a QB and for good reason, it's a waste of a spot but since they drafted the kid, they have to do something with him and it won't be putting him on the roster as the 3rd QB.

I don't know why you prefer Fox over Doughty. Doughty is a better tackler, is smarter and has an upside. Fox has proven to be nothing but a special teamer, with no upside. We have enough of those on this team.
I don't understand this. What has Doughty done to make you think he is smarter than Fox or anybody else on this team?

[redskin_rich]

I don't understand this. What has Doughty done to make you think he is smarter than Fox or anybody else on this team?
Nothing yet. I'm just going off of his scouting report and what the coaches have said about him. One thing for sure is I have seen Fox play and other than special teams, he is a liability. Whoever wins the last Safety spot, wins it and I won't complain. I would just like to see Doughty, who has potential, get that spot instead of Fox, who is a journeyman.

Also, I can't get that play out of my head where Jerious Norwood broke Fox down and Fox tried to chase him on all fours like a dog.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Nice article... I only disagree with:

-Todd Collins
-I don't know how, but I think Sartz will find a way into the roster
-It's Shawn Springs and Jerametrius Butler
-Still not sure if Jimoh will be left out because of Danny's mancrush and ST skills

The whole secondary competition will be a very tough one

[CNYSkinFan]

For comparison robert Large over at scout.com did his first 53 man prediction today. Only one problem, he only predicted 51 people on the roster (he is also the salary cap guy so probably got confused with the rule of 51)

QB’s (3) – Jason Campbell, Mark Brunell, Todd Collins

RB’s (4) – Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Derrick Blaylock

FB’s (1) – Mike Sellers

WR’s (5) – Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd, Antwaan Randle El, James Thrash, Mike Espy

TE’s (3) – Chris Cooley, Todd Yoder, Eric Edwards

OL (8) – Chris Samuels, Todd Wade, Casey Rabach, Randy Thomas, Jon Jansen, Mike Pucillo, Will Whittaker, Ross Tucker

DEFENSE

DL (8) – Renaldo Wynn, Andre Carter, Cornelius Griffin, Phillip Daniels, Joe Savale’a, Demetric Evans, Kedrick Golston, Anthony Montgomery

LB’s (7) – Marcus Washington, London Fletcher-Baker, Lemar Marshall, Rocky McIntosh, Khary Campbell, Dallas Sartz, HB Blades

CB’s (5) – Shawn Springs, Carlos Rogers, Fred Smoot, David Macklin, Ade Jimoh

S’s (4) – Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry, Pierson Prioleau, Vernon Fox

SPECIAL TEAMS

LS (1) – Ethan Albright

K (1) – Shaun Suisham

P (1) – Derrick Frost

SOURCE (http://redskins.scout.com/2/663785.html)

There is allot we agree on but some notable differences:

Collin instead of Palmer at 3rd QB

7lbers instead of 6

Edwards instead of Ecker at 3rd TE

Ade Jimoh instead of Butler at 5th CB

And of course his missing 2 positions he has less DL, OL, And S then I have. I expect him to change it in his next update.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Uhhhh. Who's tradition? Certainly not Saunders. In Kansas City, his three quarterbacks in 2004 and 2005 were Trent Green, Damon Huard, and Todd Collins -- all of whom were well over 30 years of age.

Was it the wisest move? I don't know, but they had three adequate QBs who knew the system well.

I don't think there's any hard and fast rule for the #3 QB. All I know is that if for some reason JC doesn't pan out this year, I doubt Palmer is going to be the solution. And if he can't beat out Todd Collins for the emergency QB position in camp, then he shouldn't make the roster. We should go into the season with the best players available.

I agree with some of the other posts that it was a foolish pick. There's a reason he went all the way to the 6th round despite having one of the most recognizable pedigrees in last year's draft.

Two things. First, they did not have a young guy starting like we do here. Second, while Huard had been in the league awhile by that point, he was still somewhat of a project. With the age they had at the position, there was a time when Huard was being groomed to be the starting QB for the future despite his age. That plan seems to have given way to Brodie Croyle now.

[Hr fan]

No basic disagreements. A few battles that could go either way.

On QB, if Collins is cut he will be available during the year. His resume says his replacement value is unique to the skins (KC has moved on with Green gone). If he is necessary to groom young QBs we don't need a QB coach. Battle here is between Bramlett (better experience) vs Palmer (better tools).

I think we carry 10 OL if Wade makes it at G. The others shown do not have OT skills (Fabini would make JC very vulnerable at LOT). Heyer is the early favorite, but if Wade busts at G then your 9 are most likely with Wade b/u OT.

I think 8 DL, with Wilson out. However 9 DL possible if we pick someone up or someone shows PR ability from Daniels spot. If 8 then 7 LBs with Sartz getting the spot if good ST.

Fox arrived as a SFA b/c he is only ST. Despite the 3 yr contract I think Doughty's upside wins if he shows adequate progress. If he doesn't IMO the 6 CB 4 S combo appears likely since Jimoh is the better STer.

Just nits - great job.:beer: