Vision Quest: Help or Hurt Post Titans 2007

[CNYSkinFan]

Did a quick blog entry on players that helped or hurt themselves on the blog in the the immediate aftermath of the Titans pre-season game.

Read it below

Vision Quest: Help & Hurt Post Titans 2007 (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=77)

And tell me who stood out for you, good or bad. in this thread.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Positive and/or negative, what stood out to you after the match up with the Titans?

Positives.....

*London Freakin' Fletcher is the man. No wonder Buffalo fans were said to see the guy go. Great pick up.

*Campbell's pass to Moss was a beauty.

*As impressive as it was, the hit and forced fumble by Derrick Frost shouldn't overshadow his punts tonight. Great job by him.

*The D-Line looked good against the run. I was pleasantly surprised with Anthony Montgomery, especially.

* You gotta love Laron Landry's speed and hit on Kerry Collins on the blitz. :awesomewo

*H.B. Blades is kin to London Fletcher (according to Akh, lol). He was all over the place and looks to be a steal early on.

*Marcus Mason looked good in limited time. Very quick with good vision.

Negatives......

*Jon Jansen, along with the rest of the OL, looked pretty bad tonight. Jason didn't always have time to throw and we didn't get any push in the running game. We are definitely missing Samuels and the Wade experiment is still an experiment.

* Stephon Heyer, started rough, but rebounded decently, but he is the back up to Samuels, we have to hope some other veteran OT is out there to pick up after some cuts.

* Ade Jimoh still sucks and the corners gave up too much cushion, again.

* The playcalling is still, eh, IMO.

[LATrueRedskin]

Ditto on Montgomery. I'll add Derrick Frost to the list. He had a bunch of good punts, and a great hit on the punt returner. He's improving every time I watch him.

[CNYSkinFan]

uhm ahem

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=42208

Beat you by ten minutes lol

[whistleandthumb]

Jason did some very good things, and I think his mistakes (like the overthrow to Randle El and to Espy) are fixable in the coming weeks. He basically said as much in the post-game radio interview.

The defense looked VERY good overall - especially the first team unit. Minus the fumble deep in our territory, they probably wouldn't have given up more than 3 points. I feel a lot more comfortable about where we stand defensively at the moment.

As for the OL - let's hope this was just the rust and dust coming off. If we look that bad by the time the Ravens come to town... oh, Lordy...

[shally]

Did a quick blog entry on players that helped or hurt themselves on the blog in the the immediate aftermath of the Titans pre-season game.

Read it below

Vision Quest: Help & Hurt Post Titans 2007 (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=77)

And tell me who stood out for you, good or bad. in this thread.

i thought hickman helped himself because he MADE the play that westbrook converted when he took out rattay and prevented him from falling on the ball

[shally]

i think that heyer helped himself because even though he had a few rough patches, he is a rookie free agent who looked decent starting at left tackle.

that is a positive and helped him overall

i also thought that doughty and stoutmire looked active in the secondary
and were around the ball when in

[CNYSkinFan]

i thought hickman helped himself because he MADE the play that westbrook converted when he took out rattay and prevented him from falling on the ball
yeah I thought about not putting westbrook on at all, the whole play was a lucky break. But westbrook hustled and got the points.

[shally]

yeah I thought about not putting westbrook on at all, the whole play was a lucky break. But westbrook hustled and got the points.

jimoh looks so bad that westbrook needs some reps. eubanks showed nothing, so westbrook has an open door. macklin may not have even been inthe game and butler is hurt

westbrook looked a little shakey on a return- he bobbled one a bit. but he made a play and scored a td and that keeps him alive

[The Skinsinator]

Players who helped themselves: Hickman, Blades, Golston, Montgomery.
Players who hurt themselves or didn't show up: Jansen, Wade, Espy, cornerbacks, Rock.

Sad but true. I'm not here to praise past success. I want the best Redskins now for 2007. Jansen and Wade's play was sad.

[esmith1790]

if i remember right Fabini was a Parcells guy brought to the cowboys to help out and lost out to Colombo, that should signal everyone right there. As bad as the boys OL is we cut Fabini...

[HAWGZHEAD]

i think that heyer helped himself because even though he had a few rough patches, he is a rookie free agent who looked decent starting at left tackle.

I can't really agree with that. He looked shaky at best to me and his bad mechanics will be exploited by better teams. He keeps standing straight up like that and he will spend a fair amount of time on his butt.

[CNYSkinFan]

jimoh looks so bad that westbrook needs some reps. eubanks showed nothing, so westbrook has an open door. macklin may not have even been inthe game and butler is hurt

westbrook looked a little shakey on a return- he bobbled one a bit. but he made a play and scored a td and that keeps him alive
I actually think Eubanks showed because they did not throw at him. Of course with the Wide receiver dream named Jimoh on the other side of the field why bother throwing anywhere else.

[CNYSkinFan]

if i remember right Fabini was a Parcells guy brought to the cowboys to help out and lost out to Colombo, that should signal everyone right there. As bad as the boys OL is we cut Fabini...
and as bad as our depth is, we probably will cut him as well.

[shally]

I can't really agree with that. He looked shaky at best to me and his bad mechanics will be exploited by better teams. He keeps standing straight up like that and he will spend a fair amount of time on his butt.

that was a tough d line that he faced and he really kept his man off of JC most of the time. i dont know what more anyone could have asked of him.. he was really thrown into the fire and did okay.. and he was at the end of the line and playing away and didnt even come close to a false start. all in all, i thought he did well enough for a start..

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

uhm ahem

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=42208

Beat you by ten minutes lol
lol! i was typing while you posted.

[shally]

if i remember right Fabini was a Parcells guy brought to the cowboys to help out and lost out to Colombo, that should signal everyone right there. As bad as the boys OL is we cut Fabini...

i will be surprised if he remains on the squad past the first cut down

[shally]

I actually think Eubanks showed because they did not throw at him. Of course with the Wide receiver dream named Jimoh on the other side of the field why bother throwing anywhere else.

LOL... when you are getting torched by tim rattay it says everything you need to know about jimoh's career as a corner
barring injury, i cannot see how he beats out butler, macklin, or westbrook

[esmith1790]

hopefully samuels comes back soon, other wise you cant wait and see during the start of the season with the OL.

[CNYSkinFan]

lol! i was typing while you posted.
great minds think alike

[shally]

hopefully samuels comes back soon, other wise you cant wait and see during the start of the season with the OL.

i doubt we see him in any significant play until game one of the reg season. they just cant afford to have him re injure himself

[HAWGZHEAD]

that was a tough d line that he faced and he really kept his man off of JC most of the time. i dont know what more anyone could have asked of him.. he was really thrown into the fire and did okay.. and he was at the end of the line and playing away and didnt even come close to a false start. all in all, i thought he did well enough for a start..
Their D ranked in the cellar in every category last year, they can't be that tough. Maybe he isn't the worst player on the field but I wasn't really impressed and like I said before he will be owned by better and quicker players.

[shally]

Their D ranked in the cellar in every category last year, they can't be that tough. Maybe he isn't the worst player on the field but I wasn't really impressed and like I said before he will be owned by better and quicker players.

watch and see. i bet gibbs goes out of his way to praise heyer at his presser

and the overall d for the titans is a problem, but individually they have guys like haynesworth and VDB who are better than anyone we have on our d line. so that unit cant be that bad

[CNYSkinFan]

Their D ranked in the cellar in every category last year, they can't be that tough. Maybe he isn't the worst player on the field but I wasn't really impressed and like I said before he will be owned by better and quicker players.
Heyer showed me nothing to get excited about. I think if Samuels does not get better we are in real trouble on this line.

[jtovb2005]

LOL... when you are getting torched by tim rattay it says everything you need to know about jimoh's career as a corner
barring injury, i cannot see how he beats out butler, macklin, or westbrook

We have known for a couple of years that Jimoh is a WR and QB's dream :)

He has made the team on his special teams play only at least last year. This year his number on that might be up. Some of those new young LB's and a couple of DB's looked good. Those should be the players of the future at their posistions. Might not want to get rid of them now because their natural possitions are already set with depth (LB, DB). Keep them on the team as ST players with an eye to the future. There is no future for Jimoh at his natural posistion.

[skinsfan36]

i think heyer did a good an ok job to help himself. what was jansen doing he looked mediocre. hickman helped himself with flattening rattay. golston looked like a beast,as did monty when in. collins looked better then mark brunell. pete schmiddt helped himself and i think we should keep mason as the 4th rb because he has some moves. fabini is a joke and lefotu is not helping himslef wiffing on blocks on counter plays.jimoh is terrible my god how does he keep getting on the field. I SAW A TEN YD CUSHION FROM CORNERS AHH! suisham doink,we need competition for him. we have some pretty exciti ng dlinemen to keep an eye on out of alexander(wow no helmet tackler),wilson,buzbee,hickman

[morty55]

Did a quick blog entry on players that helped or hurt themselves on the blog in the the immediate aftermath of the Titans pre-season game.

Read it below

Vision Quest: Help & Hurt Post Titans 2007 (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=77)

And tell me who stood out for you, good or bad. in this thread.

Am I wrong in saying London Fletcher plays like Sam Mills when he was
in his prime???

[CNYSkinFan]

Am I wrong in saying London Fletcher plays like Sam Mills when he was
in his prime???
Fletcher is already a starter and so I did not mention him in my blog because really there is no competition at his position and no need to help himself..

All that being said Fletcher is a tackling machine. He was everywhere last night and I can't wait to see him in action this year.

[panthro]

completely impressed by fletcher. i confess i never really paid attention to the guy when he was in buffalo. glad he's with us now!

mason continues to impress me soooo much! really like the fire this guy brings. he's gutsy and creative in his running. i hope he makes the squad. i really like rock, but mason showed much more than rock in the game.

absolutely loved the hit by landry on collins. i jumped about 10 feet in the air when it happened. didn't know it was laron until the replay and that just made my day when i saw it was him. we're gonna see some vicious hits from our defense this season.

[shally]

Am I wrong in saying London Fletcher plays like Sam Mills when he was
in his prime???

mills was a 3/4 inside backer.. but aside from that, the comparisons are apt.
i think that fletcher has even better lateral movement than mills

[skinsfan36]

fletcher looked awesome but his backup blades helped himslef last night imo

[nicefellow31]

i think that heyer helped himself because even though he had a few rough patches, he is a rookie free agent who looked decent starting at left tackle.

that is a positive and helped him overall

i also thought that doughty and stoutmire looked active in the secondary
and were around the ball when in

I agree. What we have to remember is that the expectation is not for Heyer to start this year. Hopefully he can sit and learn and be a possible replacement for Jansen in a few years.

[morty55]

Did a quick blog entry on players that helped or hurt themselves on the blog in the the immediate aftermath of the Titans pre-season game.

Read it below

Vision Quest: Help & Hurt Post Titans 2007 (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=77)

And tell me who stood out for you, good or bad. in this thread.

Anthony Trucks..did anyone else like what they saw?..he missed a tackle or two..and had to fight Blades for camera time..but he played a decent game last night..I thought

[Death_Venom]

I can't really agree with that. He looked shaky at best to me and his bad mechanics will be exploited by better teams. He keeps standing straight up like that and he will spend a fair amount of time on his butt.

Even with a DVR in slo-mo I could not see Heyers mechanics...........Overall he did decent enuff.....BUT we need Samuels to get healthy quickly so that our O-Line stands a reasonable chance this season......

[HanburgerBum]

Heyer showed me nothing to get excited about. I think if Samuels does not get better we are in real trouble on this line.


I think you and Hawg are way too hard on Heyer. I agree with Shally. Heyer showed enough vs Tenn to possibly be a decent backup while he develops. If you are concerned about the Oline, you should be directing your arrows at Wade and Jansen.

Wade's conversion to guard doesn't seem to be working. He is a 10-year vet and the switch to guard shouldn't be this hard. Jansen has been slipping for a couple of years, and it is not even clear that he is at this moment better than Wade at RT. Maybe, Wade should be switched back to RT to compete with Jansen (may the best man start) with someone else taking over at LG.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Even with a DVR in slo-mo I could not see Heyers mechanics...........I didn't really have a problem seeing him stand upright and do that little side hop-shuffle with his feet on a few plays.

I think you and Hawg are way too hard on Heyer. I agree with Shally. Heyer showed enough vs Tenn to possibly be a decent backup while he develops. If you are concerned about the Oline, you should be directing your arrows at Wade and Jansen.


I am not condemning him to be cut and I agree he could develop, I just didn't like some of what i saw last night. He could develop but at his current state I believe he will be beaten by the more athletic players. I am by no means giving the other players a pass but the post I was originally replying to was about Heyer so I responded in kind.

[shally]

Anthony Trucks..did anyone else like what they saw?..he missed a tackle or two..and had to fight Blades for camera time..but he played a decent game last night..I thought

trucks had 4 tackles. third most on the team behind fletcher and (gasp !) jimoh..
i like trucks enough to say if he continues to play well on defense i would keep him over k campbell

[HAWGZHEAD]

Ok upon reading some of these posts I went back and watched the first half again and I have to admit I was being a little hard on the kid. He did play decent for most of the first half just dropping off their a couple series before halftime. Could be that he just isn't in game shape yet. I still believe he is a little top heavy and slow but hopefully he gets better.

[shally]

Ok upon reading some of these posts I went back and watched the first half again and I have to admit I was being a little hard on the kid. He did play decent for most of the first half just dropping off their a couple series before halftime. Could be that he just isn't in game shape yet. I still believe he is a little top heavy and slow but hopefully he gets better.

Akh says he belongs inside at guard and the more i think about it, the more i tend to agree with him. he has size and strength, but lacks technique. still, it appears we have no one better than him to spell samuels-- at least for now

[HAWGZHEAD]

Akh says he belongs inside at guard and the more i think about it, the more i tend to agree with him. he has size and strength, but lacks technique. still, it appears we have no one better than him to spell samuels-- at least for now
Makes sense and it could work, have to wait and see.

[HanburgerBum]

Akh says he belongs inside at guard and the more i think about it, the more i tend to agree with him. he has size and strength, but lacks technique. still, it appears we have no one better than him to spell samuels-- at least for now


Heyer supposedly has feet quick enough to play LT. But, it may be too much to expect a rookie to be able to play the most demanding position on the Oline (with a right handed QB) right off the bat. Wade has played LT and RT before. Maybe, he should be moved back to tackle to compete with Jansen (I am really concerned about JJ) and backup Samuels. And, Pucillo takes over at LG, with Heyer to back him up. Preseason is the time to try all this stuff.

[morty55]

trucks had 4 tackles. third most on the team behind fletcher and (gasp !) jimoh..
i like trucks enough to say if he continues to play well on defense i would keep him over k campbell

I trust that you are watching the Golfer that wears Red on Sundays..it looks like playing safe is the order of the day

[firehawk157]

That's a good point. Let Wade go outside to tackle, as he's more of a prototypical tackle, and see what Heyer can do inside this next game. It seems so backwards now. If that works out, let Wade compete for a job at RT by auditioning out at LT. But unlike a lot of you, I don't think Jansen did so horribly. Yes, he was bad, but after 3 years of solid play, the first preseason game isn't time to throw him to the dogs.

[Death_Venom]

A couple of players that really stood out to me:

London Fletcher-What a BEAST!!!!!
Rocky MacIntosh-Looks to have good ball instincts.
H.B. Blades-Looks to be Fletch's back-up.........
LaRon Laundry-AWESOME hit on Collins.........
Derrick Frost-Consistent punts-and a MONSTER HIT!!!!!!
The WHOLE Defensive Line-Looked decent-not great-but thankfully not awful either!!!!

The entire game itself was an exercise in inefficiency-but at least it was a WIN..........

[morty55]

That's a good point. Let Wade go outside to tackle, as he's more of a prototypical tackle, and see what Heyer can do inside this next game. It seems so backwards now. If that works out, let Wade compete for a job at RT by auditioning out at LT. But unlike a lot of you, I don't think Jansen did so horribly. Yes, he was bad, but after 3 years of solid play, the first preseason game isn't time to throw him to the dogs.

I heard the radio team say last night..that the ideal situation would be not to rely on Heyer until he gets seasoned..

It is maddening to see some..(not you) assume Jansen is not still the best option...that game meant nothing..
so why wouldn't the Titans just load up every down?..
Jason hasn't proven he can press a defense enough to get the respect..
we know Brunell likely won't ever see it again..
they really need a possession receiver

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I think you and Hawg are way too hard on Heyer. I agree with Shally. Heyer showed enough vs Tenn to possibly be a decent backup while he develops. If you are concerned about the Oline, you should be directing your arrows at Wade and Jansen.

Wade's conversion to guard doesn't seem to be working. He is a 10-year vet and the switch to guard shouldn't be this hard. Jansen has been slipping for a couple of years, and it is not even clear that he is at this moment better than Wade at RT. Maybe, Wade should be switched back to RT to compete with Jansen (may the best man start) with someone else taking over at LG.

I think if you look at the last two years, Jansen has started the year poorly and improved as the year went on. Think about how impressive our running game was down the stretch in 05 and 06. The question is why?

[shally]

I think if you look at the last two years, Jansen has started the year poorly and improved as the year went on. Think about how impressive our running game was down the stretch in 05 and 06. The question is why?

at this point in his career, jansen is far better in the running game than in the passing game. perhaps that might explain his improvement..

[jtovb2005]

I think if you look at the last two years, Jansen has started the year poorly and improved as the year went on. Think about how impressive our running game was down the stretch in 05 and 06. The question is why?

Ditto, I mentioned this in another thread or earlier in this one. For the big name he is he sure starts real slow for some reason. It is scary. Have wondered why myself for a couple of years.

[CNYSkinFan]

Anthony Trucks..did anyone else like what they saw?..he missed a tackle or two..and had to fight Blades for camera time..but he played a decent game last night..I thought

trucks had 4 tackles. third most on the team behind fletcher and (gasp !) jimoh..
i like trucks enough to say if he continues to play well on defense i would keep him over k campbell



Trucks was OK against the third string offense. Campbell seemed to be around the ball alot when he is in. And his special teams plays makes him a valuable depth guy. He is the first backup from Washington on the deopth chart (though marshall is the first backup to all three positions we know that). He is a solid NFL depth at LB and will be on the team.

Trucks and Jones are vying for a PS spot if Sartz makes the team otherwise they may be out of luck.

I think you and Hawg are way too hard on Heyer. I agree with Shally. Heyer showed enough vs Tenn to possibly be a decent backup while he develops. If you are concerned about the Oline, you should be directing your arrows at Wade and Jansen.

Wade's conversion to guard doesn't seem to be working. He is a 10-year vet and the switch to guard shouldn't be this hard. Jansen has been slipping for a couple of years, and it is not even clear that he is at this moment better than Wade at RT. Maybe, Wade should be switched back to RT to compete with Jansen (may the best man start) with someone else taking over at LG.

Hey I am not saying he is not going to make the squad, just that he isn't the saviour Buges and some of the media has been trumpeting him to be. HE is still too raw and stands up too much.

As for Jansen, as I said before we have no choice there this year. No one is going to be moved around at this point. Wade wil either play Guard or Pucillo will be called upon to start., Jansen is our RT until he gets injured. I am worried about him and want to see how he plays but there is nothing we can do about it.

This is what happens when you draft all lbers on the 2nd day and they all end up on the PS because they aint that good.

[CNYSkinFan]

at this point in his career, jansen is far better in the running game than in the passing game. perhaps that might explain his improvement..

Ditto, I mentioned this in another thread or earlier in this one. For the big name he is he sure starts real slow for some reason. It is scary. Have wondered why myself for a couple of years.


I think Whit made a good point about players not hitting enough in training camp and I agree with that.

[Canuck]

This is what happens when you draft all lbers on the 2nd day and they all end up on the PS because they aint that good.

What OL would you have drafted with the picks we used on Sartz and Blades?

I liked the picks of Sartz and Blades. You can't tell me Blades didn't play well against the Titans.

[CNYSkinFan]

What OL would you have drafted with the picks we used on Sartz and Blades?

I liked the picks of Sartz and Blades. You can't tell me Blades didn't play well against the Titans.
it is a cumalitive effect. We have had no olinemen in the last three years drafted that have been any good as cheap and decent depth. We also drafted McCune and Newberry in 2005, everyone was high on them at this point too

[Canuck]

it is a cumalitive effect. We have had no olinemen in the last three years drafted that have been any good as cheap and decent depth. We also drafted McCune and Newberry in 2005, everyone was high on them at this point too

We also drafted Wilson and Molinaro back in 2004. So in 2004 and 2005 our second day picks sucked. In 2006 we picked up Golston and Montgomery and so far that seems to be working out well.

I don't think the issue is with our second day picks but rather with our trading of first day picks the past three years that have killed us depth wise. You can't keep trading away 2nd, 3rd and even 4th round picks without it having an affect. Imagine how much different our team would be if we had kept our 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks in the 2007 draft.

[jtovb2005]

it is a cumalitive effect. We have had no olinemen in the last three years drafted that have been any good as cheap and decent depth. We also drafted McCune and Newberry in 2005, everyone was high on them at this point too

I don't remember anyone being really high on McCune and Newberry as a result of their play? One game is not a "I made the team" moment but I thought Blades played very well. If he keeps up to the level he showed last night he will make the team. If I remember right McCune got a lot of press for his potential, build, and him being a little older from serving in the Army prior to collage?

We could have used some O lineman though. This depending on FA's that other teams don't want anymore is getting a little old. I don't really follow other teams in detail but how different is this around the other teams? It seems like it could be close to the norm?

[morty55]

...
We could have used some O lineman though. This depending on FA's that other teams don't want anymore is getting a little old. I don't really follow other teams in detail but how different is this around the other teams? It seems like it could be close to the norm?

it's not all of that..as a unit is the only way to view an Offensive Line..
the one guy I would have liked to see come here could have been had for a 5th rounder..Jerrod Gaither who the Ravens stole in the Supplemental..and to me that said more about what they felt about Heyer..by not going for the project

right now the O-line is just an x-factor..and the most glaring work in progress..the last real spot they filled was Raubach..

Dockery was an unusual choice..in that he started from the git-go..for what Buffalo paid him..the Skins probably plugged a couple of depth issues that will provide huge return the latter part of the schedule.

I have a feeling about this team..it will still all come down.. with how Jason Campbell plays..not any one other position

[Battle Cat]

Jansen had a very bad game. I think going against Daniels and Wynn in practice may not be the best way to get ready to face good dline talent. I think Jansen will be ok though. Early 30's for an oline man is not old enough to be over the hill as with other positions. Early 30's for O lineman is really often when they are at their peak.

[shally]

it is a cumalitive effect. We have had no olinemen in the last three years drafted that have been any good as cheap and decent depth. We also drafted McCune and Newberry in 2005, everyone was high on them at this point too

neither mccune nor newberry has the instincts that blades shows. even after 1 game, he looks to be light years better than either of those 2 guys.
1 game does not make a career, for certain.. but with fletcher to mentor him, i would feel really good about blades starting potential a couple of years down the road

[culpeper]

Jansen had a very bad game. I think going against Daniels and Wynn in practice may not be the best way to get ready to face good dline talent. I think Jansen will be ok though. Early 30's for an oline man is not old enough to be over the hill as with other positions. Early 30's for O lineman is really often when they are at their peak.

sad but true. i have confidence that he will get it together though.

[tbfoster1]

This is the first I've commented on the game.

The offensive line made me sick. It would have been one thing if it was just the left side getting beat, but when Jansen got beat on that stunt, I sighed an "ah sh**." Tennessee was in the backfield on the run and the pass. On the pass it seemed like the pocket collapsed so quickly. When Jason took those three step drops it was hard to see him in all the traffic. On longer drops the pocket seemed very skinny with the de's forcing the tackles inward. Also the running backs barely ever had a chance.

I really wanted to see more out of that unit but I also understand its the 1st preseason game.

I love London Fletcher

Just a quick comment on Suisam. I still like him. His kickoffs are a concern because those illegal procedure penaties seem so uneccessary to me. (I mean the field is 50 some yards wide for godsakes) I believe he had one in the scrimmage and another that could have been one had the return man from the Ravens let it go. Hopefully he will get that in check

As for the missed field goal (and this may have already been mentioned in the game thread) Even though he missed, what stood out to me was that he hit the very TOP of the upright from 47 yards. He definately has a leg on him and was pretty consistant last year so place kicking is not a concern for me...yet.

[Moe]

trucks had 4 tackles. third most on the team behind fletcher and (gasp !) jimoh..
i like trucks enough to say if he continues to play well on defense i would keep him over k campbell

I noticed Trucks in on several plays, both regular D and special teams, which I think is good for him. Showing up on the stat line and just being in on plays when in the game isn't going to hurt him. In general I thought the LB's across the board all looked pretty good.

[Hr fan]

i think heyer did a good an ok job to help himself. what was jansen doing he looked mediocre. hickman helped himself with flattening rattay. golston looked like a beast,as did monty when in. collins looked better then mark brunell. pete schmiddt helped himself and i think we should keep mason as the 4th rb because he has some moves. fabini is a joke and lefotu is not helping himslef wiffing on blocks on counter plays.jimoh is terrible my god how does he keep getting on the field. I SAW A TEN YD CUSHION FROM CORNERS AHH! suisham doink,we need competition for him. we have some pretty exciti ng dlinemen to keep an eye on out of alexander(wow no helmet tackler),wilson,buzbee,hickman

Sums up my impressions without exception. I would add Blades.:goodpost:

[Hr fan]

Akh says he belongs inside at guard and the more i think about it, the more i tend to agree with him. he has size and strength, but lacks technique. still, it appears we have no one better than him to spell samuels-- at least for now

Sure we do - Wade, a natural tackle and no longer needed at G if Heyer goes inside.

[Hr fan]

I heard the radio team say last night..that the ideal situation would be not to rely on Heyer until he gets seasoned..

It is maddening to see some..(not you) assume Jansen is not still the best option...that game meant nothing..
so why wouldn't the Titans just load up every down?..
Jason hasn't proven he can press a defense enough to get the respect..
we know Brunell likely won't ever see it again..
they really need a possession receiver

If Cooley isn't kept in to block they have one (although I would really like to see a taller possession type).

[Patrick]

it's not all of that..as a unit is the only way to view an Offensive Line..
the one guy I would have liked to see come here could have been had for a 5th rounder..Jerrod Gaither who the Ravens stole in the Supplemental..and to me that said more about what they felt about Heyer..by not going for the project

right now the O-line is just an x-factor..and the most glaring work in progress..the last real spot they filled was Raubach..

Dockery was an unusual choice..in that he started from the git-go..for what Buffalo paid him..the Skins probably plugged a couple of depth issues that will provide huge return the latter part of the schedule.

I have a feeling about this team..it will still all come down.. with how Jason Campbell plays..not any one other position

The lack of a scouting department TOTALLY blew that one for us. The Raven's got a steal who I believe will be a ProBowler in five years.

[Patrick]

This is the first I've commented on the game.

The offensive line made me sick. It would have been one thing if it was just the left side getting beat, but when Jansen got beat on that stunt, I sighed an "ah sh**." Tennessee was in the backfield on the run and the pass. On the pass it seemed like the pocket collapsed so quickly. When Jason took those three step drops it was hard to see him in all the traffic. On longer drops the pocket seemed very skinny with the de's forcing the tackles inward. Also the running backs barely ever had a chance.

I really wanted to see more out of that unit but I also understand its the 1st preseason game.

I love London Fletcher

Just a quick comment on Suisam. I still like him. His kickoffs are a concern because those illegal procedure penaties seem so uneccessary to me. (I mean the field is 50 some yards wide for godsakes) I believe he had one in the scrimmage and another that could have been one had the return man from the Ravens let it go. Hopefully he will get that in check

As for the missed field goal (and this may have already been mentioned in the game thread) Even though he missed, what stood out to me was that he hit the very TOP of the upright from 47 yards. He definately has a leg on him and was pretty consistant last year so place kicking is not a concern for me...yet.

MAN - that caught my attention alright. That would have been good from 52-55 easily IF it had be dead-on. I'm still on aboard with Suisam too.

[redskin_rich]

It's the first week of preseason and every game I have watched has been chock full of sloppiness. During last night's game between two definite playoff contenders [Seattle, San Diego], there was about a 5 minute sequence where the ball was turned over like 6 times, including 3 plays in a row, I believe. This is what preseason is for, getting everybody back on track and trying to fill out he depth on the roster. Preseason is most definitely not for reaching any kind of solid opinions on teams or starting players.

[openallnight]

Helped themselves:
1. Frost (sad to say) was our offensive mvp; glad to see his booming punts from camp are translating to the field; and anytime a punter causes a fumble that's a good sign.
2. Jamaal Green got some pressure
3. Mason looked good late in the game

Hurt themselves:
1. Jason Fabini - cut him now before someone gets hurt
2. Calvin Armstong - see previous comment
3. Espy - Bad route running and dropped passes
4. McAddley - see previous comment

[shally]

Helped themselves:
1. Frost (sad to say) was our offensive mvp; glad to see his booming punts from camp are translating to the field; and anytime a punter causes a fumble that's a good sign.
2. Jamaal Green got some pressure
3. Mason looked good late in the game

Hurt themselves:
1. Jason Fabini - cut him now before someone gets hurt
2. Calvin Armstong - see previous comment
3. Espy - Bad route running and dropped passes
4. McAddley - see previous comment


all of a sudden we are thin at wideout again.. ARE is not a #2 receiverand will be productive at #3
thrash is not gonna scare anyone no matter how hard he works
espy and mcadderly are playing themselves off the roster

bradford ? did he even get in ?
berman made 1 nice catch

LLoyd needs to come through big time

[firehawk157]

Yeah, Espy definitely hurt his stock a lot. His sloppy route running may be due to just coming off an injury, but as a UDFA WR that is stacked with guys like you, you can't afford to be slow coming off an injury. He was responsible for two incompletions. One was an out that I think he was just slow in his cut, throwing off the timing and the other was a dropped pass.

After all the props you get during the offseason, this is how you play Espy? For shame!