Backup spot up for grabs (QB) / new LG?

[greatest2]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/15/AR2007081502503.html

ok so MB and collins seem to be fighting for the back up spot. I think that MB has the 2nd spot wrapped up even with sub par performances in these next games, just as long as they all aren't like this past games.

On a different note, and i think more important. at the end of the article it says that Pucillo will start at guard for Todd Wade who is out with a shoulder injury. And heyer will play at LT. I hope that Pucillo can come in a do a good job. if he performs well i have no problem giving him the start the following week, and if he proves it again, i would put him above wade in the starting lineup on opening day.

So, it looks like we have a LG battle, hopefully it brings the best out of them, and we can get this line settled and get some chemistry before the season

[shally]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/15/AR2007081502503.html

ok so MB and collins seem to be fighting for the back up spot. I think that MB has the 2nd spot wrapped up even with sub par performances in these next games, just as long as they all aren't like this past games.

On a different note, and i think more important. at the end of the article it says that Pucillo will start at guard for Todd Wade who is out with a shoulder injury. And heyer will play at LT. I hope that Pucillo can come in a do a good job. if he performs well i have no problem giving him the start the following week, and if he proves it again, i would put him above wade in the starting lineup on opening day.

So, it looks like we have a LG battle, hopefully it brings the best out of them, and we can get this line settled and get some chemistry before the season

if nothing else, at least pucillo IS a guard. it should help heyer a whole lot

[Brit'Skin]

I actually think Collins should be the #2 (can't believe I just said that:eek:)
It just looks like Brunell has nothing left and I would not be confident seeing him starting if something should happen to JC. At least Collins can get the ball downfield a little more.

As for the left guard position I hope Wade can make the transition but even if he can't I don't see the left side being too much of a problem as long as Samuels stays healthy.

[CNYSkinFan]

need I remind you guys that last year, when JC and Collins were battling for #2, Collins always looked impressive against 3rd or 4th stringers. When placed against players who will actually make an NFL roster he always looked sub par.

Brunell has won more games over the last 7 years then COllins has thrown passes in the NFL. That says alot to me.

[BurgundyNGold]

Pucillo was our best OL in the Titans game. I'd like to see what he can do at OG anyway, because Wade, Fabini and Tucker all struggled.

[Redskin4Life]

I actually think Collins should be the #2 (can't believe I just said that:eek:)
It just looks like Brunell has nothing left and I would not be confident seeing him starting if something should happen to JC. At least Collins can get the ball downfield a little more.

As for the left guard position I hope Wade can make the transition but even if he can't I don't see the left side being too much of a problem as long as Samuels stays healthy.

I agree with you about Brunell... I'm a little worried that he's not looking downfield as much as I would like him to. I wonder if his shoulder is still bothering him. One thing I did NOT like in the game with Tennessee was Brunell smiling on the sidelines after burning two timeouts for not but checkdowns and not getting a first down the whole time he was in.

And about the LG battle, I hope someone else other than Wade wins the starting guard position. Todd's the best OT backup we've got and I'd like Heyer to learn under those three (Samuels, Wade, Jansen) while staying on the roster. Wait til next year or the year after to expose him to live bullets... Heyer going in if one of the two bookends going down is not the most reassuring thing for me.

[Redskin4Life]

need I remind you guys that last year, when JC and Collins were battling for #2, Collins always looked impressive against 3rd or 4th stringers. When placed against players who will actually make an NFL roster he always looked sub par.

Brunell has won more games over the last 7 years then COllins has thrown passes in the NFL. That says alot to me.

True, true, and very true.... as much as I'm not so confident about Mark still having any gas left in the tank, the idea of a season riding on Collins shoulders scares the bejeezus out of me.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I'm surprised the comments have been so positive for Pucillo starting at guard so far. I hope I am wrong, but I am officially very worried about the left side of our line.

[helimech24]

I'm surprised the comments have been so positive for Pucillo starting at guard so far. I hope I am wrong, but I am officially very worried about the left side of our line.I think everyone feels the same way, but we are just trying to be positive because it is preseason. Our left side will look a lot better when Samuels comes back, which he says will be before the opener. If they are still trying to fill that LG spot come week 4 of the preseason, then we will have a major problem.

As far as the backups go, I hope neither one of them see playing time this year because they both suck as far as I am concerned. Brunell looks horrible, and Collins might as well be a rookie.

[Moe]

Despite my personal feelings on Brunell, I'm happy to see the coaches at least leaving the competition open rather than penciling a guy in. Following this it would make some sense to put Collins in against some stiffer competition, but we'll see if that shakes out.

Maybe Wade getting dinged will be a blessing in disguise as we might get a better look at someone who could fit in better....or is a complete disaster, which might facilitate looking for outside help. Either way, this should give everyone a clearer picture.

[Brit'Skin]

I'm surprised the comments have been so positive for Pucillo starting at guard so far. I hope I am wrong, but I am officially very worried about the left side of our line.

The thing is, I don't think we need anyone to be great there. Dockery was never one of the better guards in the league and Samuels pretty much controls that left side anyway. As long as he is playing I think the LG position will be fine.

[bergiemoore]

Pucillo was our best OL in the Titans game. I'd like to see what he can do at OG anyway, because Wade, Fabini and Tucker all struggled.

Fabini was down right AWFUL! Why does he still have a job?

Wade's mistakes were numerous, to be sure, but I think they are correctable. I think that he has the ability to make the transition, but it's not going to be instantaneous. If we have a better option at LG, I think it best for us to pursue it. Wade's learning curve is causing Heyer to suffer, and potentially going to get one of our QB's killed.

I didn't notice Tucker, which I guess is a good thing, or at least, not a bad thing. (I did notice Fabini picking himself off the ground after watching 3rd string DT's harass our QBs.)

[James F. Quinn]

I'm surprised the comments have been so positive for Pucillo starting at guard so far. I hope I am wrong, but I am officially very worried about the left side of our line.

We don't have a battle at LG, as one poster mentioned. We have a gaping hole at RG and are scrambling with perennial subs and/or out of position subs to try to fill it.

It is very easy to sneer at Derrick Dockery, but he has yet to be adequately replaced. And his position was not addressed either in the draft or in FA.

[James F. Quinn]

True, true, and very true.... as much as I'm not so confident about Mark still having any gas left in the tank, the idea of a season riding on Collins shoulders scares the bejeezus out of me.

The season doesn't rest on Collins or brunell's shoulders. That's Jason's burden. As shaky as we are at other positions (RB, RG, #2 WR, etc, this season didn't figure to be a real playoff- competitive one anyway.

If Collins continues to out-execute Brunell in this offense, it shouldn't even be close.

[bergiemoore]

I'm surprised the comments have been so positive for Pucillo starting at guard so far. I hope I am wrong, but I am officially very worried about the left side of our line.

I think that I am more worried about Jansen. I fully expected him to be solid, but he was pushed around quite a bit for my tastes.

Heyer did better than I expected, but my expectations for a UDFA playing against a pro-bowl DE weren't very high. He looked better than Wade.

Wade proved that his transition to Guard will take more time than anyone had hoped. It's unfortunate that he'll miss this weekend's game. He needs all the experience he can get to further improve.

Pucillo didn't look bad in Saturday's game. This weekend will be his best opportunity to prove that he's an NFL caliber OLineman. Hopefully, he steps up.

Fabini shouldn't be on our roster.

At the very least, this situation with Samuels and Wade being out will allow the coaching staff to get a real indication as to the talent of our depth. If nothing else, this will help with their evaluations, and come August 28, they should have a good idea of who's worth keeping, and whether or not we need to pursue someone else.

It's still pre-season. I'm not impressed with the line, but I'm not ready to hit the panic button.

[shally]

I think that I am more worried about Jansen. I fully expected him to be solid, but he was pushed around quite a bit for my tastes.

Heyer did better than I expected, but my expectations for a UDFA playing against a pro-bowl DE weren't very high. He looked better than Wade.

Wade proved that his transition to Guard will take more time than anyone had hoped. It's unfortunate that he'll miss this weekend's game. He needs all the experience he can get to further improve.

Pucillo didn't look bad in Saturday's game. This weekend will be his best opportunity to prove that he's an NFL caliber OLineman. Hopefully, he steps up.

Fabini shouldn't be on our roster.

At the very least, this situation with Samuels and Wade being out will allow the coaching staff to get a real indication as to the talent of our depth. If nothing else, this will help with their evaluations, and come August 28, they should have a good idea of who's worth keeping, and whether or not we need to pursue someone else.

It's still pre-season. I'm not impressed with the line, but I'm not ready to hit the panic button.

agree about fabini. he will be an early cut

[frankez99]

Are are 3 instances where our backup QB will have to play:

1. Campbell gets hurt
2. We are getting blown out and JC is playing terribly
3. We are so far ahead that we take JC out

Hopefully we'll only see number 3 happening in regards to the number 2 qb.

In any of the above senarios, I would prefer to see Mark Brunell under center. He ain't what he used to be but he has proven it before and is still serviceable.

[youngestson]

Open comps are just that, open. Gibbs has always wanted an old gray head on the bench to provide comfort in case of emergency, and Brunell fills that role. As for who is the number two and three QBs (I suspect he will go with Brunell because....because...well....he likes him) I just hope there will be no need for the issue comming up. But if it does, I just hope he will have a quicker hook if Mark flat out stinks again.

On the line, Mike P. is a guard shaped guard. He doesn't have to THINK about what to do. He will just do it, so obviously he will be better then a guy who is learning the position. If he is the best guy for the spot, he is in. If Wade beats him, so-be-it. Wade will see lots of action one way or another, and at the moment he seems to be the only genuine depth we have on the O-line. The kid from Maryland looked good for a rookie UDFA, and I hope he continues to develop, but he is still as raw as sushi, and will smell just as bad if left out in the sun too long.

[shally]

Open comps are just that, open. Gibbs has always wanted an old gray head on the bench to provide comfort in case of emergency, and Brunell fills that role. As for who is the number two and three QBs (I suspect he will go with Brunell because....because...well....he likes him) I just hope there will be no need for the issue comming up. But if it does, I just hope he will have a quicker hook if Mark flat out stinks again.

On the line, Mike P. is a guard shaped guard. He doesn't have to THINK about what to do. He will just do it, so obviously he will be better then a guy who is learning the position. If he is the best guy for the spot, he is in. If Wade beats him, so-be-it. Wade will see lots of action one way or another, and at the moment he seems to be the only genuine depth we have on the O-line. The kid from Maryland looked good for a rookie UDFA, and I hope he continues to develop, but he is still as raw as sushi, and will smell just as bad if left out in the sun too long.

heyer needs time to develop without rush. this experience has been a good one for him but he is just not ready to start at LT in the nfl

[Dolla Bill]

heyer needs time to develop without rush. this experience has been a good one for him but he is just not ready to start at LT in the nfl

At this moment, he is a capable backup at the most. Given time, the kid could shine.

[youngestson]

heyer needs time to develop without rush. this experience has been a good one for him but he is just not ready to start at LT in the nfl

I agree. It's great to see the team developing a young guy, and pre-season is the time to do it. I just don't want to think about him filling that role when the games start to count.

[Hr fan]

I'm surprised the comments have been so positive for Pucillo starting at guard so far. I hope I am wrong, but I am officially very worried about the left side of our line.

Me too! An OT without instincts or real progress over several months at OG and a "journeyman" as described by the Post (Pucillo). A mistake (Lefotu) and a never was (Tucker). A never will be (Whittaker). A player with nothing left (Fabini). A gimpy RG. No b/u. As the FO says, "What, me worry?".

[smoak]

I was never a fan of having the tallest starting G in the NFL.

[shally]

I was never a fan of having the tallest starting G in the NFL.

did we have that last year in dockery ??

[CNYSkinFan]

did we have that last year in dockery ??
he was referring to Wade. Dock was the widest G in the NFL

[LATrueRedskin]

Fabini looked foolish out there. I was shocked at how a veteran with such a long stint in the NFL could look so bad. He looked like poor Corey Raymer against the Seahawks in the playoffs.

Todd Wade didn't look sharp, but I agree with bergiemoore in that his faults could be corrected. He just looks like a guy who's not confident at his position just yet. He hasn't committed his technique to muscle memory yet. Let's hope he can over the next weeks of August.

As for Quarterback, I agree with CNY in that I am much more confident in Mark Brunell than Todd Collins. Brunell didn't impress during the Titans match, but he's accomplished tons more than Collins in the NFL, including playing in a game in the past 5 years.

[shally]

he was referring to Wade. Dock was the widest G in the NFL

i understand that, but dockery was over 6 6", i believe and that is pretty tall.. and i think that fonoti has to be far wider than dockery.. or anyone for that matter because he runs over 500 pounds !!!

[shally]

Fabini looked foolish out there. I was shocked at how a veteran with such a long stint in the NFL could look so bad. He looked like poor Corey Raymer agains the Seahawks in the playoffs.

Todd Wade didn't look sharp, but I agree with bergiemoore in that his faults could be corrected. He just looks like a guy who's not confident at his position just yet. He hasn't committed his technique to muscle memory yet. Let's hope he can over the next weeks of August.

As for Quarterback, I agree with CNY in that I am much more confident in Mark Brunell than Todd Collins. Brunell didn't impress during the Titans match, but he's accomplished tons more than Collins in the NFL, including playing in a game in the past 5 years.


while i am not a fan of either qb, at least collins has some semblence of an arm left and the ability to pass down the middle of the field.

it is not about what brunell accomplished in the past (he is light years better than collins inthat regard) but what he has left in the tank for the coming year.. i was not at all impressed with his performance last week, but there is still lots of time to decide in the preseason

[LATrueRedskin]

while i am not a fan of either qb, at least collins has some semblence of an arm left and the ability to pass down the middle of the field.

it is not about what brunell accomplished in the past (he is light years better than collins inthat regard) but what he has left in the tank for the coming year.. i was not at all impressed with his performance last week, but there is still lots of time to decide in the preseason

Yeah, that's my thing about this. It was one preseason game, and the first one at that. I'm not expecting Brunell to air-it-out at anytime for the rest of his career, but Collins doesn't play games in the NFL. He's spent his career playing 2nd- and 3rd-stringers in the preseason, and he's gotten pretty good at it. He's gotten pretty good at exploiting terrible defenders.

[shally]

Yeah, that's my thing about this. It was one preseason game, and the first one at that. I'm not expecting Brunell to air-it-out at anytime for the rest of his career, but Collins doesn't play games in the NFL. He's spent his career playing 2nd- and 3rd-stringers in the preseason, and he's gotten pretty good at it. He's gotten pretty good at exploiting terrible defenders.


they need to give collins a little time playing against at least the number 2 unit to see what he does..

[LATrueRedskin]

they need to give collins a little time playing against at least the number 2 unit to see what he does..

I'm all for that. I have no favoritism in this situation. I just want the best possible players on the field. If Gibbs puts Collins 2nd and he thrives, then he's rightfully won the job.

[culpeper]

Are are 3 instances where our backup QB will have to play:

1. Campbell gets hurt
2. We are getting blown out and JC is playing terribly
3. We are so far ahead that we take JC out

Hopefully we'll only see number 3 happening in regards to the number 2 qb.

In any of the above senarios, I would prefer to see Mark Brunell under center. He ain't what he used to be but he has proven it before and is still serviceable.

SERVICEABLE!!!??? wow. the guy cant get out of his own way right now. the only reason hes still holding on to that #2 spot in JG eyes is he is a great practice player (when the pads arent on, and you cant hit the QB, brunell IS good).

what other backup in the league would you discibe as "serviceable"? IMO whatever team is in bad shape if thats all you got in this league.

[skinsfan36]

hers my take pucillo is a natural g/c so he should transition better. wade could backup tackle but expcet fabini to be gone asap and a guy who can play center be brought in if pucillo wins the gurad job. because if pucillo starts then albright is the backup center

[redskin_rich]

hers my take pucillo is a natural g/c so he should transition better. wade could backup tackle but expcet fabini to be gone asap and a guy who can play center be brought in if pucillo wins the gurad job. because if pucillo starts then albright is the backup center

Tucker would be next in line for Center if Pucillo started at Guard or there would be a shuffle and Pucillo would move to Center and Tucker or Wade to Guard. Regardless, Albright is not an option at 260 lbs.

[James F. Quinn]

Yeah, that's my thing about this. It was one preseason game, and the first one at that. I'm not expecting Brunell to air-it-out at anytime for the rest of his career, but Collins doesn't play games in the NFL. He's spent his career playing 2nd- and 3rd-stringers in the preseason, and he's gotten pretty good at it. He's gotten pretty good at exploiting terrible defenders.

All true, but you can only play against the people they put out on the field against you. And in his few shots with the Redskins, Collins has generally played with a supporting cast of the terrible "offenders" at the bottom of our depth charts.

He remains to be proven against real opposition. What he seems to be in the process of proving is that he understands the offense, can execute it, and can pass with efficiency.

So with our worst against their worst he marched down the field and engineered a TD.

With our middlin' players agaisnt their middlin' players, Mark plodded along at 4-for 9 and scored nothing.

[James F. Quinn]

Tucker would be next in line for Center if Pucillo started at Guard or there would be a shuffle and Pucillo would move to Center and Tucker or Wade to Guard. Regardless, Albright is not an option at 260 lbs.

There was an article about the Red Snapper some time ago and it said flatly that they would never play him at center. His hands are too valuable to risk.

[shally]

Tucker would be next in line for Center if Pucillo started at Guard or there would be a shuffle and Pucillo would move to Center and Tucker or Wade to Guard. Regardless, Albright is not an option at 260 lbs.

apparently tucker is not impressing a lot of people with his play in practice
from what i read at warpathinsiders (premium site)

[silverspring]

The more I think about it the more sense it makes to consider transitioning jansen to guard and put wade at tackle. jansen isn't the dominant tackle he once was, so it makes sense to move him to the less demanding position. He is better suited physicially at guard than wade and wade showed that he could shine at tackle last season. It may be a reach but I think we should at least prepare jansen for the possibility with some reps and likewise for wade. All I am saying is make this an option by giving them both some reps. At the very least Jansen could use some competition at tackle.

[James F. Quinn]

The more I think about it the more sense it makes to consider transitioning jansen to guard and put wade at tackle. jansen isn't the dominant tackle he once was, so it makes sense to move him to the less demanding position. He is better suited physicially at guard than wade and wade showed that he could shine at tackle last season. It may be a reach but I think we should at least prepare jansen for the possibility with some reps and likewise for wade. All I am saying is make this an option by giving them both some reps. At the very least Jansen could use some competition at tackle.

The WaPo quoted Jansen about a week ago as saying he'd play wherever they needed him to play. He didn't care as long as it helped the team.

[skinfanjon]

I can't believe this many people actually A) Want Collins to be the backup or
B) Think Collins will be the backup. It seems to me that Gibbs is declaring it an open competition to placate Saunders, who probably is very much in favor of Collins. Whether that's true or not, I certainly don't epect to see Collins in that role. Hate on Mark all you want, but Collins is no better physically and has FAR less actual game experience. When it comes time for a decision to be made, it will be Mark as the #2.

Bottom line, if either has to play for any extended period of time, we are offically screwed.

[shally]

I can't believe this many people actually A) Want Collins to be the backup or
B) Think Collins will be the backup. It seems to me that Gibbs is declaring it an open competition to placate Saunders, who probably is very much in favor of Collins. Whether that's true or not, I certainly don't epect to see Collins in that role. Hate on Mark all you want, but Collins is no better physically and has FAR less actual game experience. When it comes time for a decision to be made, it will be Mark as the #2.

Bottom line, if either has to play for any extended period of time, we are offically screwed.


your last sentence says it all. we live or die with JC this year

[HanburgerBum]

I can't believe this many people actually A) Want Collins to be the backup or
B) Think Collins will be the backup. It seems to me that Gibbs is declaring it an open competition to placate Saunders, who probably is very much in favor of Collins. Whether that's true or not, I certainly don't epect to see Collins in that role. Hate on Mark all you want, but Collins is no better physically and has FAR less actual game experience. When it comes time for a decision to be made, it will be Mark as the #2.

Bottom line, if either has to play for any extended period of time, we are offically screwed.


So, Gibbs declaration that the No. 2 QB spot is open to competition is just lip-service? I sure hope you are wrong for two reasons.

1) No question that Brunell has more credentials than Collins will ever accumulate. But, that's in the past. What exactly in MB's performance last season and so far this offseason makes you think he has anything left? He refuses to throw anything downfield, either because his arm hasn't recovered from offseason surgery or the recovered arm can't hit anything over 15 yds. Worse, he is indecisive and jittery in the pocket--as if he still doesn't know the offense. The two timeouts within three plays in the Tenn game don't exactly inspire confidence. Collins at least knows the offense and was very crisp and decisive vs the Titans.

2) If Gibbs keeps his favorite (Brunell) regardless of performance, how is that going to play in the locker room?

[HanburgerBum]

The more I think about it the more sense it makes to consider transitioning jansen to guard and put wade at tackle. jansen isn't the dominant tackle he once was, so it makes sense to move him to the less demanding position. He is better suited physicially at guard than wade and wade showed that he could shine at tackle last season. It may be a reach but I think we should at least prepare jansen for the possibility with some reps and likewise for wade. All I am saying is make this an option by giving them both some reps. At the very least Jansen could use some competition at tackle.


I think you got some great ideas there. Maybe you should take over for Bugel.

The tackles should be Samuels, Jansen, Wade and Heyer. Samuels is one starter and Heyer is a backup. The other starter should be whoever is better between Jansen and Wade as this point (and it wouldn't surprise me if it is Wade). The one who doesn't start backups both tackle and guard. Of course, this assumes that Pucillo (or someone else) can handle the starting LG spot, and I think he will.

[youngestson]

2) If Gibbs keeps his favorite (Brunell) regardless of performance, how is that going to play in the locker room?[/QUOTE]

Ordinarily that would be an extreamly relevent question, but Tom Collins has hardly established himself in Washington, and I don't know how much your average player worries about the battle between number 2 & 3 on the QB depth chart. If anything Brunell may have more juice in the locker room, as he was the guy for three years, and while he didn't exactly light up the field, he did take the hits and kept comming back.

[skinfanjon]

So, Gibbs declaration that the No. 2 QB spot is open to competition is just lip-service? I sure hope you are wrong for two reasons.

Not quite lip-service, more like a half-truth. Im sure if Brunell played like Joe Namath in the twilight of his career, and Todd Collins looked like a starting QB in the league right now, then yeah, Brunell would get bumped. The difference would have to be so great that there could not be an arument made against the decision, much like turning to JC after the Eagles game last season.

1) No question that Brunell has more credentials than Collins will ever accumulate. But, that's in the past. What exactly in MB's performance last season and so far this offseason makes you think he has anything left?

Nothing, but ditto for Collins. And if I have to choose between two QB's that suck, I'll take the guy that I know will at least throw the ball out of bounds instead of to the other team.

He refuses to throw anything downfield, either because his arm hasn't recovered from offseason surgery or the recovered arm can't hit anything over 15 yds. Worse, he is indecisive and jittery in the pocket--as if he still doesn't know the offense. The two timeouts within three plays in the Tenn game don't exactly inspire confidence.

All valid points, but at least you know what rock bottom is with him. Its dink and dunk and throw it away when in touble. We have no idea how bad Collins can be, but we certainly know his ceiling. He gets off on the "never played much at all for good reason" floor.

Collins at least knows the offense and was very crisp and decisive vs the Titans.

Correction: the 4th string/camp fodder Titans. BIG difference.

2) If Gibbs keeps his favorite (Brunell) regardless of performance, how is that going to play in the locker room?

Honestly, I don't think it matters. The guys know Brunell, they've been to the playoffs with him, they would probably make the same choice. And this is all assuming Collins is obviously better. This is the same guy everybody was wanting cut two weeks ago. One drive against camp fodder in the fourth quarter of a preseason game and we want to elevate him to backup? Please:rolleyes:. Color me unimpressed.

And one last thing, I will repeat myself from my earlier post. If either one has to play an extended period of time, we are offically screwed.

[greatest2]

JLC is reporting that Collins will be the first off the bench after JC. So we will see what he has got against some second stringers, and see if MB looks good against 3rd string. We will find our number 2 soon.

Pucillo has been with us awhile, which means he knows what Bugel wants from a guard (becuase he is a guard), and he has done well when in there (against 2nd string though). I hope he comes out and shines, because that will give us our guard, and a great backup on the line with wade. we will see though this weekend. big preseason game for collins and pucillo

[helimech24]

JLC is reporting that Collins will be the first off the bench after JC. So we will see what he has got against some second stringers, and see if MB looks good against 3rd string. We will find our number 2 soon.

Pucillo has been with us awhile, which means he knows what Bugel wants from a guard (becuase he is a guard), and he has done well when in there (against 2nd string though). I hope he comes out and shines, because that will give us our guard, and a great backup on the line with wade. we will see though this weekend. big preseason game for collins and pucilloThis is good news and will be great to see this Saturday. I want to see if Collins can move the ball as well as he did last week. If he looks just like MB last week, I think MB gets the nod as the #2 just because of expierence

[SpicyMcHaggis]

1997.

That was the season in which Todd Collins last threw a significant pass in the NFL. 1997. Let's think about that for a bit. That is 10 years ago. That is more than the average span of an NFL career.

Let's get serious folks. Under no circumstances should Todd Collins be participating in an NFL game this season.

[Battle Cat]

MB or Todd Collins 6 of one and a half a dozen of the other. If either plays we are in trouble. If you want to debate how much trouble. It is like asking would you rather be shot or stabbed. Neither is a good option.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

MB or Todd Collins 6 of one and a half a dozen of the other. If either plays we are in trouble. If you want to debate how much trouble. It is like asking would you rather be shot or stabbed. Neither is a good option.
Brunell had a Pro-Bowl year in 2005. That's 8 years after Collins played his last real game.
I agree that we are in trouble with either one, but I don't think it's fair to say they are comparable, unless Brunell's arm has literally fallen off.

[Slobberknocker]

Maybe I'm crazy, but wouldn't Heyer make a natural guard? I remember reading Akh saying something about this.

If Heyer worked at guard, we'd have this problem licked. Wade is a strong backup at tackle, and could even supplant Janson in a battle.

I don't know enough about Heyer's background to say anything else. I'm just glad they're opening this up to competition. The best man should flat out win at each position, and that includes Espy potentially being elevated to the #2 receiver.

If our line collapses like a pancake against the Burgh, somebody better have Pete Kendall on speedial. It's not like we're strangers to doing deals with the Jets. And in this case, I'm all for coughing up a 5th or 6th rounder.

If we stand pat, we're...well... let's not go there just yet.

[shally]

Maybe I'm crazy, but wouldn't Heyer make a natural guard? I remember reading Akh saying something about this.

If Heyer worked at guard, we'd have this problem licked. Wade is a strong backup at tackle, and could even supplant Janson in a battle.

I don't know enough about Heyer's background to say anything else. I'm just glad they're opening this up to competition. The best man should flat out win at each position, and that includes Espy potentially being elevated to the #2 receiver.

If our line collapses like a pancake against the Burgh, somebody better have Pete Kendall on speedial. It's not like we're strangers to doing deals with the Jets. And in this case, I'm all for coughing up a 5th or 6th rounder.

If we stand pat, we're...well... let's not go there just yet.

it's gonna get better..

[skinsfan36]

i hope pucillo wins the job because A-hes younger so he could be the future at guard,b-jansen may need wade to push him