Cutdown Day

[hail2skins]

The cuts are:

Calvin Armstrong
Matthias Askew
Fred Beasley
Brian Bell
Carl Berman
Corey Bradford
Dee Brown
Alex Buzbee
John Eubanks
Justin Hickman
Ryan Hoag
Ade Jimoh
Kili Lefotu
Jake Nordin
Jordan Palmer
Matt Sinclair
Omar Stoutmire
Burl Toler
Anthony Trucks
Byron Westbrook
Taylor Whitley
Renaldo Wynn
Dallas Sartz

[CNYSkinFan]

there is an update on two vets Wynn and Stoutmire

(UPDATE: Renaldo is still in there now more than 30 minutes after he arrived. I can't think that's a good sign. Also looks like Omar Stoutmire entered the building. Safety was the last position where I had not noted any one passing through)

[Slobberknocker]

Thanks for starting the thread!!!

Stoutmire -- ouch. They really must like ol' Foxy. I was rooting for Omar, I must say...

[hail2skins]

Someone at Redskins.com is reporting Wynn has indeed been released. It's on the message board.

[CNYSkinFan]

Thanks for starting the thread!!!

Stoutmire -- ouch. They really must like ol' Foxy. I was rooting for Omar, I must say...
Or Doughty. They could be keeping 4 Safeties

[CNYSkinFan]

Someone at Redskins.com is reporting Wynn has indeed been released. It's on the message board.
yeah just about to point that out.....And now we know where they got the salary cap space for Cooley's extension

[BurgundyNGold]

Thanks for starting the thread!!!

Stoutmire -- ouch. They really must like ol' Foxy. I was rooting for Omar, I must say...
I'd take Stoutmire over Baby Arch Deluxe any day right now. I guess they figure that BAD has more upside.

[Slobberknocker]

At Extremeskins:

4:10PM

Renaldo Wynn has been released. Stand by for audio.

That won't be pleasant.

[Slobberknocker]

Or Doughty. They could be keeping 4 Safeties

Not with our corner situation. That would be massive-heavy on linebackers and Dline.

[CNYSkinFan]

I am actually more surprised at Stoutmire's cut. We dont often cut FAs we went out and signed that summer

[shally]

Thanks for starting the thread!!!

Stoutmire -- ouch. They really must like ol' Foxy. I was rooting for Omar, I must say...

i dont think fox makes it either.. i am guessing PP and doughty are the backups with eubanks and torrence going to IR

[BurgundyNGold]

I am actually more surprised at Stoutmire's cut. We dont often cut FAs we went out and signed that summer
Especially when he's the better player over either Fox or BAD.

[shally]

I am actually more surprised at Stoutmire's cut. We dont often cut FAs we went out and signed that summer

except that we let him walk after 2005 once and he is older now..

[CNYSkinFan]

Especially when he's the better player over either Fox or BAD.
yeah...I just don't like it if it is true. Oh well.

[CNYSkinFan]

except that we let him walk after 2005 once and he is older now..
and he played great in 2006 with NO and we pursued him with one of our first Free agent signings.

[BurgundyNGold]

except that we let him walk after 2005 once and he is older now..
We let Clark walk too. That proves nothing.

[Slobberknocker]

i dont think fox makes it either.. i am guessing PP and doughty are the backups with eubanks and torrence going to IR

How can that be possible? When asked during the press conference about injuries, Joe said "None."

CNY had some recon that Eubanks wasn't as bad as we thought. I don't think he's IR'd here.

[shally]

yeah...I just don't like it if it is true. Oh well.

doughty runs well and covers well on ST.. that is where he will play this year.
omar plays special teams but they used him to rush the punter as i recall

it means that jimoh survives once again.. might see doughty and jimoh as the 2 gunners on coverage

[CNYSkinFan]

JLC blogs on wynn

As one door closes another door opens," Renaldo said.

Wynn is intent on playing - I feel like I've got some more great years left in me," he said - and thanks the Redskisn for his 5 years here. He had become a pillar in the lockerroom and in the community. He wished he could have learned of the decision sooner - I wish it could have happened earlier," he said, alluding to former starters Lemar Marshall and Joe Salave'a who were released in the past few weeks.

Renaldo did not seem as surprised by the move as I thought he would be, and, lilke everything else, he took it in stride.

I understand the youth movement going on, but the Redskins have let go of three top-class human beings in Renaldo, Joe and Lemar.

Have not seen Ryan Boschetti come through yet - though the process of letting guys know is ongoing - and I haven't seen all 22 guys come through yet. So we'll have to see how it plays out.

[shally]

How can that be possible? When asked during the press conference about injuries, Joe said "None."

CNY had some recon that Eubanks wasn't as bad as we thought. I don't think he's IR'd here.
no major injuries.. if they are not, then torrence gets cut and either eubanks or jimoh is the last corner as we keep 5 with 4 safeties.

we are gonna be heavier on DL and LB i think

[CNYSkinFan]

How can that be possible? When asked during the press conference about injuries, Joe said "None."

CNY had some recon that Eubanks wasn't as bad as we thought. I don't think he's IR'd here.
JLC reported that Eubanks injury did not seem that serious and more a product of the heat.

[shally]

We let Clark walk too. That proves nothing.

big difference. we offered clark a contract and made an effort to re sign him. i dont believe we made any effort to re sign omar.

and even after clark signed with the steelers gibbs still had nice things to say about him

[Slobberknocker]

Here comes the bashing, letting three first-class human beings go.

Restock. Reload.

We wanted to get younger. Here it comes.

[shally]

JLC reported that Eubanks injury did not seem that serious and more a product of the heat.
'
torrence's definitely seemed to be. the radio announcers were talking about how he cramped up after missing a tackle

[Slobberknocker]

JLC reported that Eubanks injury did not seem that serious and more a product of the heat.

Wasn't it Torrence who cramped? I HOPE it's true about Eubanks. Barring injury, he makes it. If he and Torrence make it -- wow.

But Ade's demise has been oft reported, never witnessed...

[shally]

Here comes the bashing, letting three first-class human beings go.

Restock. Reload.

We wanted to get younger. Here it comes.

you have got to do that.. there is no other way to stay competitive

and all 3 of those great guys were on a 31st ranked defense

[BurgundyNGold]

JLC blogs on wynn
Ugh.

I understand the youth movement going on, but the Redskins have let go of three top-class human beings in Renaldo, Joe and Lemar
Oh, do shut up. None of these guys had anything left in the tank last season and the Redskins kept them around longer than they should have. They're great guys, I get it but Renaldo Wynn "get after" the passer was slower than Hawaii making land.

[Slobberknocker]

Renaldo Wynn "get after" the passer was slower than Hawaii making land.

That's pretty slowwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

[BurgundyNGold]

big difference. we offered clark a contract and made an effort to re sign him. i dont believe we made any effort to re sign omar.

and even after clark signed with the steelers gibbs still had nice things to say about him
Actually, I don't think we offered Clark a contract. We were too busy going after Arch Deluxe.

[CNYSkinFan]

I told you Slobber they would wait untile the last freaking minute

[shally]

Actually, I don't think we offered Clark a contract. We were too busy going after Arch Deluxe.

i could be wrong, but i distinctly remember gibbs speaking to that and saying that they wanted to keep clark as well, even with AA being signed but that clark wanted to start and signed with pitts

i am going to see if i can find a reference for that

[firehawk157]

I'm surprised Wynn lasted this long as it is. He was, arguably, the worst guy on a bad line. Good news for Wilson though I guess.

[Slobberknocker]

Renaldo Wynn audio up at Extremeskins.

LINK: http://extremeskins.org/2007trainingcamp/WYNN.WMA

[BurgundyNGold]

i could be wrong, but i distinctly remember gibbs speaking to that and saying that they wanted to keep clark as well, even with AA being signed but that clark wanted to start and signed with pitts

i am going to see if i can find a reference for that
Please do. Gibbs says a lot of things. Most of them are little more than hot air with the occasional giggle mixed in.

[Slobberknocker]

I told you Slobber they would wait untile the last freaking minute

You must be wearing your tinfoil hat.

[shally]

I'm surprised Wynn lasted this long as it is. He was, arguably, the worst guy on a bad line. Good news for Wilson though I guess.

with wynn and buzbee gone it makes it look good for both wilson and hickman.. although there is still boschetti and alexander to consider for the d line.
if boschetti makes it i will be even more amazed than if jimoh does..

[BurgundyNGold]

I'm surprised Wynn lasted this long as it is. He was, arguably, the worst guy on a bad line. Good news for Wilson though I guess.
I figured that after Wilson's showing, he would be taking Wynn's spot on the roster. Honestly, I would take Wilson over Demetric Evans and Phillip Daniels too. Evans because of performance and Daniels because of performance and cost.

[shally]

I figured that after Wilson's showing, he would be taking Wynn's spot on the roster. Honestly, I would take Wilson over Demetric Evans and Phillip Daniels too. Evans because of performance and Daniels because of performance and cost.

too many geezers for all of them to get cut. we can only hope...

[CNYSkinFan]

YEah I thought Evans might be let go though because Wynn is in the final year of his contract and a lockerroom leader...oh well, no big worries here.

[Slobberknocker]

YEah I thought Evans might be let go though because Wynn is in the final year of his contract and a lockerroom leader...oh well, no big worries here.

Evans seems to be one of those plug-n-play guys that Williams prizes. If he goes... sobeit. But that too would be harsh after he stayed here instead of bolting.

[BurgundyNGold]

YEah I thought Evans might be let go though because Wynn is in the final year of his contract and a lockerroom leader...oh well, no big worries here.
What does that even mean on a 5-11 team, you know? Do you really want leaders that produce those results?

[IowaSkinsFan]

How can that be possible? When asked during the press conference about injuries, Joe said "None."

CNY had some recon that Eubanks wasn't as bad as we thought. I don't think he's IR'd here.

LOL, Joe Gibbs has never needed a player to be injured to stash them on IR....

[Slobberknocker]

What does that even mean on a 5-11 team, you know? Do you really want leaders that produce those results?

How many leaders can a team have? Godfrey and Fletcher are here and plusses. We can subtract a few and still be a-okay.

Character in defeat is still defeat.

[BurgundyNGold]

Evans seems to be one of those plug-n-play guys that Williams prizes. If he goes... sobeit. But that too would be harsh after he stayed here instead of bolting.
I think you're remembering that wrong. Evans didn't draw any interest on the FA market. He's here because we were his only option. We seem to have had a lot of guys on the DL with that particular star on their resume, lol.

[Slobberknocker]

I think you're remembering that wrong. Evans didn't draw any interest on the FA market. He's here because we were his only option. We seem to have had a lot of guys on the DL with that particular star on their resume, lol.

That's what I get for remembering the Larry Michael interview with Evans after he resigned. San Fran sniffed. He visited one other place and said he wanted to be home after all.

And now, for the REST of the story... LOL.

[BurgundyNGold]

That's what I get for remembering the Larry Michael interview with Evans after he resigned. San Fran sniffed. He visited one other place and said he wanted to be home after all.

And now, for the REST of the story... LOL.
Yeah, that wasn't reality -- that was mediality, lol. It may have been reported, and you may have heard it, but there wasn't any real interest in Evans above the league minimum.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

That's what I get for remembering the Larry Michael interview with Evans after he resigned. San Fran sniffed. He visited one other place and said he wanted to be home after all.

And now, for the REST of the story... LOL.


New Orleans was also interested in Evans, I seem to remember.

[Slobberknocker]

Ade Jimoh!!!!!!!!!!! (Per JLC)

Ade Jimoh In The House

He just pulled up ... Again, not saying that everyone who shows up here is being released (although most have been so far), but he did just walk int he building at the same time Dan Snyder happened to be here, and actually held the door for Dan.

Considering he might be cutting kicked to the curb, gotta give him credit for that.

[CNYSkinFan]

Posted at 4:51 PM ET, 09/ 1/2007
Ade Jimoh In The House
He just pulled up ... Again, not saying that everyone who shows up here is being released (although most have been so far), but he did just walk int he building at the same time Dan Snyder happened to be here, and actually held the door for Dan.

Considering he might be cutting kicked to the curb, gotta give him credit for that.


JLC's Blog (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

throw a party!!!!

[whitskins]

I think you're remembering that wrong. Evans didn't draw any interest on the FA market. He's here because we were his only option. We seem to have had a lot of guys on the DL with that particular star on their resume, lol.

Evans, 26, had drawn interest from several teams in the first month of free agency and had visited with officials from the San Francisco 49ers and New Orleans Saints.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2392872

[CNYSkinFan]

Slobber you are too fast damn you

[Syllable]

Ugh.


Oh, do shut up. None of these guys had anything left in the tank last season and the Redskins kept them around longer than they should have. They're great guys, I get it but Renaldo Wynn "get after" the passer was slower than Hawaii making land.

JLC has to bring in his good cop bad cop gig. Whenever he doesnt have someone like Art to give him a rebuttle, he usually ends up being totally hippocritical to another one of his blogs to find something negative.

[Slobberknocker]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2392872

Thank you!

[Slobberknocker]

Slobber you are too fast damn you

:Partyup:

[shally]

JLC's Blog (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

throw a party!!!!

truly amazing if we keep eubanks and/or torrence over ade.. they better be able to run down on punts and smack people

[BurgundyNGold]

Ade Jimoh!!!!!!!!!!! (Per JLC)

Ade Jimoh In The House

He just pulled up ... Again, not saying that everyone who shows up here is being released (although most have been so far), but he did just walk int he building at the same time Dan Snyder happened to be here, and actually held the door for Dan.

Considering he might be cutting kicked to the curb, gotta give him credit for that.
Dan should be holding the door for his players. You're only as good a leader as the morale of the men you command.

[Slobberknocker]

Slobber you are too fast damn you

Yours looks nicer.

[Slobberknocker]

truly amazing if we keep eubanks and/or torrence over ade.. they better be able to run down on punts and smack people

You're not... defending... Ade? Doh! Actually, Torrence has been surprisingly good on teams. And Eubanks can cover. And if we keep Arch Jr. then we have our gunners.

Please tell me you're not defending Ade!

[BurgundyNGold]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2392872
Thanks for the leg work, but like I said, no serious interest.

[shally]

You're not... defending... Ade? Doh! Actually, Torrence has been surprisingly good on teams. And Eubanks can cover. And if we keep Arch Jr. then we have our gunners.

Please tell me you're not defending Ade!

not defending ade for his corner skills as they were out there for all to see.
but how many times is the number 5 corner going to play on defense ?
on the other hand, credit ade for being excellent on punt coverage

it will be necessary for whoever replaces him to provide that kind of coverage.

but i do have to say that i am going to be surprised if he does end up getting cut

[JsMaViSd]

Dan should be holding the door for his players. You're only as good a leader as the morale of the men you command.

very true

[Syllable]

not defending ade for his corner skills as they were out there for all to see.
but how many times is the number 5 corner going to play on defense ?
on the other hand, credit ade for being excellent on punt coverage

it will be necessary for whoever replaces him to provide that kind of coverage.

but i do have to say that i am going to be surprised if he does end up getting cut

Yup, every 5th corner has no clue how to cover. Why drop someone who is a proven special teams ace and has been on the team forever?

[shally]

Yup, every 5th corner has no clue how to cover. Why drop someone who is a proven special teams ace and has been on the team forever?

i guess the answer is that they want someone to be able to grow into a decent cover corner and ade just wasnt ever going to be that..

[Slobberknocker]

How to spin a story negative. No wonder coaches become averse to talking to the media. They just can't win!

Washington Times on the release of Wynn:

Wynn confirms release [Ryan O'Halloran]

The 4 p.m. deadline has come and gone, and although the Redskins have submitted their list to the league office, we're still awaiting the official word.
The most notable name will be defensive end Renaldo Wynn, who had the fifth-longest tenure on the team.

The Redskins didn't do Wynn any favors -- the regular season starts in a week, so it will tough for him to latch on. Lemar Marshall was released two weeks ago and caught on with Cincinnati.

"At first I was [stunned], but I've known for a couple hours and it's something you prepare yourself for if it does happen," Wynn said. "But you never know how it feels until it happens."

Wynn turns 33 on Monday. His departure leaves the Redskins with only three veteran defensive ends -- Andre Carter, Phillip Daniels and Demetric Evans.

[JsMaViSd]

i guess the answer is that they want someone to be able to grow into a decent cover corner and ade just wasnt ever going to be that..

my thoughts exactly..

ade has been given plenty of opportunities to grow, but i just dont think its in the cards

[Slobberknocker]

Yup, every 5th corner has no clue how to cover. Why drop someone who is a proven special teams ace and has been on the team forever?

Whatever the team does, let's defend the alternative. It'll be fun.

[CNYSkinFan]

Slobber I have to agree withthe Washington Times (and I hate doeing that) if thye are going to release a guy like Wynn who has restructured SEVERAL times for the Redskins they should have down it at the first cutdown like Big Joe.

[CNYSkinFan]

ok it is 5:30...wth release the list!!!!!!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Ade Jimoh!!!!!!!!!!! (Per JLC)

Ade Jimoh In The House

He just pulled up ... Again, not saying that everyone who shows up here is being released (although most have been so far), but he did just walk int he building at the same time Dan Snyder happened to be here, and actually held the door for Dan.

Considering he might be cutting kicked to the curb, gotta give him credit for that.

What choice did Jimoh have? If he wasn't cut before getting the door for Snyder, did he really think he would have been around if hadn't gotten that door?

[HanburgerBum]

not defending ade for his corner skills as they were out there for all to see.
but how many times is the number 5 corner going to play on defense ?
on the other hand, credit ade for being excellent on punt coverage

it will be necessary for whoever replaces him to provide that kind of coverage.

but i do have to say that i am going to be surprised if he does end up getting cut


I, too, am very surprised at the apparent release of Jimoh, because Gibbs is serious about special teams. The only explanation would be that the coaches have found some second-line players who play STs well. Leigh Torrence did make a nice tackle on kickoff (or punt) coverge that prevented a huge return in the Jax game.

My guess is that Jimoh will catch on with another team that needs a gunner. Or, if our STs go south, he may be re-signed.

[BurgundyNGold]

Slobber I have to agree withthe Washington Times (and I hate doeing that) if thye are going to release a guy like Wynn who has restructured SEVERAL times for the Redskins they should have down it at the first cutdown like Big Joe.
A few thoughts:

1) More than likely, those restructures ended up as guaranteed cash in his pocket that he would not have gotten if they just cut him outright.

2) Maybe they genuinely did not know what they were going to do with him? Maybe Roster Bowl on Thursday swung the pendulum away from him. IMO, reporting that the Redskins screwed Wynn is premature because this might very well be the case.

3) Wynn should have been cut before last season, conservatively, although I would have cut him before 2005. To my way of thinking, he collected one, possibly two years of pay that he did not earn and that pretty much everybody knew he wouldn't earn. In short, he's been a welfare case for posibly 2 years.

4) Apparently, Wynn says his agent told him they are getting "sniffs". ROTFLMAO! By vultures maybe.

[Slobberknocker]

ok it is 5:30...wth release the list!!!!!!

The stress is getting to you too I see. LOL

[CNYSkinFan]

Confirmed on Extremeskins ...Jimoh has been released

[HanburgerBum]

Slobber I have to agree withthe Washington Times (and I hate doeing that) if thye are going to release a guy like Wynn who has restructured SEVERAL times for the Redskins they should have down it at the first cutdown like Big Joe.


I think the Skins have already done Wynn many favors by paying him good money for almost 5 years. He had started to slide at least two years ago. Some other team would have cut him long before 2007. I don't believe the team owes him a thing. If Wynn were truly stunned by his release, he must be delusional.

[Slobberknocker]

A few thoughts:

2) Maybe they genuinely did not know what they were going to do with him? Maybe Roster Bowl on Thursday swung the pendulum away from him.

I bet there was a lot of internal debate. It would be oxymoronic to talk about releasing all these veterans and claiming how difficult a decision it was and then rant about how they should have given them advance warning.

This team more often than not does right by its players. But there are limits when you're knocking heads about who stays and who goes.

[Slobberknocker]

Confirmed on Extremeskins ...Jimoh has been released

Yowza!

Follow up question: does this mean Torrence and Eubanks stay?

[CNYSkinFan]

Yowza!

Follow up question: does this mean Torrence and Eubanks stay?
I don't think you guys can count lol. We probably keep 5 CBs.

Springs, rogers, smoot, macklin...and EITHER EUbanks or Torrnece...One on the roster the other goes maybe to ps

[LATrueRedskin]

Goodbye to Renaldo Wynn. He was a great person who was a force in the community around the Metro area. His leadership and guidance in the lockerroom will surely be missed, and I hope he can get picked up somewhere. Thanks, Renaldo.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Confirmed on Extremeskins ...Jimoh has been released

A shame Jimoh couldn't learn to cover. Kind of sad to lose a good ST'er.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Probably Eubanks if they keep 5. He seems to be punt return option if something happened to Randle El and they didn't want to put Moss back there.

Jimoh had to go. I was tired of seeing him get beat at corner and drawing a taunting flag on the plays where he wasn't beat.

[IowaSkinsFan]

A few thoughts:

1) More than likely, those restructures ended up as guaranteed cash in his pocket that he would not have gotten if they just cut him outright.

2) Maybe they genuinely did not know what they were going to do with him? Maybe Roster Bowl on Thursday swung the pendulum away from him. IMO, reporting that the Redskins screwed Wynn is premature because this might very well be the case.

3) Wynn should have been cut before last season, conservatively, although I would have cut him before 2005. To my way of thinking, he collected one, possibly two years of pay that he did not earn and that pretty much everybody knew he wouldn't earn. In short, he's been a welfare case for posibly 2 years.

4) Apparently, Wynn says his agent told him they are getting "sniffs". ROTFLMAO! By vultures maybe.

That's agent speak to get other teams moving.

[CNYSkinFan]

Free interview on Scout.com with renaldo wynn

http://redskins.scout.com/2/674572.html

[LATrueRedskin]

Probably Eubanks if they keep 5. He seems to be punt return option if something happened to Randle El and they didn't want to put Moss back there.
Jimoh had to go. I was tired of seeing him get beat at corner and drawing a taunting flag on the plays where he wasn't beat.

Yeah, he seems to be a punt return option, but I don't know if he's a good punt return option. But I think he's an OK corner and a pretty solid tackler.

[CNYSkinFan]

Yeah, he seems to be a punt return option, but I don't know if he's a good punt return option. But I think he's an OK corner and a pretty solid tackler.
Thrash can return in a pinch also. At least he can field them anyways

[Slobberknocker]

Thrash can return in a pinch also. At least he can field them anyways

Then again, so can Jansen.

[LATrueRedskin]

Thrash can return in a pinch also. At least he can field them anyways

Yeah, and I bet Betts could too in a really extreme case. I'm just surprised about the Jimoh cut because he was a solid special teamer. I'm not sure if Eubanks is, but I'd think that the 5th corner spot is more for special teams and less about coverage skills. I'm not going to lose sleep over the Jimoh cut, but I think in that position special teams ability plays a huge role.

[LATrueRedskin]

Then again, so can Jansen.

I know that's a joke, but catching a punt with defenders running downhill at you is harder than it looks. We just can't put anybody back there. A bobbled/fumbled punt can lose us the game.

[Slobberknocker]

I know that's a joke, but catching a punt with defenders running downhill at you is harder than it looks. We just can't put anybody back there. A bobbled/fumbled punt can lose us the game.

An inside joke.

Did you catch Redskins Nightly News when the players had some fun? The D linemen vs. the O linemen in fielding punts.

The punch line was that Jansen was the only O lineman to catch one. The D linemen trounced.

Yep. I'm good. Ssssssssssss.

[LATrueRedskin]

An inside joke.

Did you catch Redskins Nightly News when the players had some fun? The D linemen vs. the O linemen in fielding punts.

The punch line was that Jansen was the only O lineman to catch one. The D linemen trounced.

Yep. I'm good. Ssssssssssss.

My bad, I must've missed it. Sorry about that, but it wasn't meant to be negatively directed towards your comment. Just some food for discussion.

[CNYSkinFan]

The Redskins released the following 22 players today:

OL Calvin Armstrong
DT Matthias Askew
FB Fred Beasley
RB Brian Bell
WR Carl Berman
WR Corey Bradford
RB Dee Brown
DE Alex Buzbee
DB John Eubanks
DE Justin Hickman
WR Ryan Hoag
DB Ade Jimoh
OL Kili Lefotu
TE Jake Nordin
QB Jordan Palmer
LB Matt Sinclair
DB Omar Stoutmire
WR Burl Toler
LB Anthony Trucks
DB Byron Westbrook
OL Taylor Whitley
DE Renaldo Wynn


Per Extremeskins

[CNYSkinFan]

Torrence over Eubanks, Sartz over Trucks

[Slobberknocker]

Stoutmire officially hits the KFFL wires:

Redskins | Stoutmire released
Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:04:18 -0700

KFFL has learned the Washington Redskins have released SS Omar Stoutmire.

Falcons released Casey Bramlet, all you Jordan Palmer haters...

[CNYSkinFan]

lefotu over whitley, Lorenzo over askew

[LATrueRedskin]

So Chis Wilson made it!? That's awesome. He played well during the preseason. I also see Beasley cut. What are we going to do for backup fullback? Don't we still have to pay Beasely?

[Slobberknocker]

Per Extremeskins

Wow!

Eubanks and Trucks. Ouch.

[BurgundyNGold]

Per Extremeskins
Fox AND Baby Arch Deluxe over Stoutmire. Yet more evidence that Steve Jackson couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

[Slobberknocker]

Torrence over Eubanks, Sartz over Trucks

I hope that's not a case of preferring the draft pick. What did he do except wake up Christmas morning with a ball in his mitts?

Trucks worked his axles off. I'm bummed.

[CNYSkinFan]

early guess at PS

OL Calvin Armstrong
DE Alex Buzbee
DB John Eubanks
DE Justin Hickman
WR Ryan Hoag
OL Kili Lefotu
QB Jordan Palmer
LB Anthony Trucks

[Slobberknocker]

Money says we go shopping.

[BurgundyNGold]

So Chis Wilson made it!? That's awesome. He played well during the preseason. I also see Beasley cut. What are we going to do for backup fullback? Don't we still have to pay Beasely?
I don't know but I would have kept Beasely and put Edwards on the practive squad. If something happened to TE, we could elevate him.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Wow!

Eubanks and Trucks. Ouch.

Sounds like 2 of the eight PS spots right there to me...

[LATrueRedskin]

I hope that's not a case of preferring the draft pick. What did he do except wake up Christmas morning with a ball in his mitts?

Trucks worked his axles off. I'm bummed.

Remember there's still the practice squad to be formed. I bet We'll see some of those guys on the list.

[CNYSkinFan]

Fabini made the squad...wTF???

[Slobberknocker]

early guess at PS

OL Calvin Armstrong
DE Alex Buzbee
DB John Eubanks
DE Justin Hickman
WR Ryan Hoag
OL Kili Lefotu
QB Jordan Palmer
LB Anthony Trucks

That's a pretty good list. Is Calvin Armstrong eligible? Besides the Radio guys not knowing he was on the squad, hasn't he been a backup on the active roster?

[BurgundyNGold]

Wait a tick... Fabini made it? That's an insult to reason.

[Slobberknocker]

Fabini made the squad...wTF???

You've got to be kidding me. In the same year we lose Jimoh?

[Canuck]

Torrence over Eubanks, Sartz over Trucks

According to JLC, Sartz was waived (injured).

Link (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/09/heres_the_cuts.html)

[bergiemoore]

:bangdesk:Fabini made the squad...wTF???

[shally]

Torrence over Eubanks, Sartz over Trucks

and boschetti over both buzbee and hickman ????

[NCskinsfanatic]

Here's my PS...

DE Alex Buzbee
DB John Eubanks
DE Justin Hickman
WR Ryan Hoag
OL Kili Lefotu
QB Jordan Palmer
LB Anthony Trucks
DB Byron Westbrook

[Slobberknocker]

I was just gonna post that. Sartz waived!!! Wow. Yet Fabini lives? Here's JLC's list, just to check for discrepancies:

Here's The Cuts

OL Calvin Armstrong
DT Matthias Askew
FB Fred Beasley
RB Brian Bell
WR Carl Berman
WR Corey Bradford
RB Dee Brown
DE Alex Buzbee
DB John Eubanks
DE Justin Hickman
WR Ryan Hoag
DB Ade Jimoh
OL Kili Lefotu
TE Jake Nordin
QB Jordan Palmer
LB Matt Sinclair
DB Omar Stoutmire
WR Burl Toler
LB Anthony Trucks
DB Byron Westbrook
OL Taylor Whitley
DE Renaldo Wynn

In addition, linebacker Dallas Sartz was waived injured (hamstring).

Guess we'll IR him, eh? :Partyup:

[CNYSkinFan]

I don't know but I would have kept Beasely and put Edwards on the practive squad. If something happened to TE, we could elevate him.
edwards is not eligible for PS

[BurgundyNGold]

According to JLC, Sartz was waived (injured).

Link (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/09/heres_the_cuts.html)
I wasn't overly impressed with Sartz but I thought he had potential. I still think he's too lanky and slow to be a LB and that his future could be on the DL. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up coming back in some capacity.

[shally]

I was just gonna post that. Sartz waived!!! Wow. Yet Fabini lives? Here's JLC's list, just to check for discrepancies:

Here's The Cuts

OL Calvin Armstrong
DT Matthias Askew
FB Fred Beasley
RB Brian Bell
WR Carl Berman
WR Corey Bradford
RB Dee Brown
DE Alex Buzbee
DB John Eubanks
DE Justin Hickman
WR Ryan Hoag
DB Ade Jimoh
OL Kili Lefotu
TE Jake Nordin
QB Jordan Palmer
LB Matt Sinclair
DB Omar Stoutmire
WR Burl Toler
LB Anthony Trucks
DB Byron Westbrook
OL Taylor Whitley
DE Renaldo Wynn

In addition, linebacker Dallas Sartz was waived injured (hamstring).

Guess we'll IR him, eh? :Partyup:

so who is the final receiver ??

and at safety we kept 5.. fox, doughty, landry, PP, taylor ??

[BurgundyNGold]

edwards is not eligible for PS
Oh, that's right, he played for Arizona or something last year, right? I still would have kept Beasely. His run (and especially pass) blocking would have done more for our offense than some weak blocking TE.

[CNYSkinFan]

and boschetti over both buzbee and hickman ????
Boshetti????? seriously WTH!!!!!

[shally]

I wasn't overly impressed with Sartz but I thought he had potential. I still think he's too lanky and slow to be a LB and that his future could be on the DL. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up coming back in some capacity.

go out for ice cream ?? oh wait, that was george allen...

[Slobberknocker]

Here's a twist. Somebody at JLC's blog commented that we left two open roster spots. Can anybody confirm? CNY?

That would be a humdinger, and keep me unfortunately riveted to this chair...

[BurgundyNGold]

so who is the final receiver ??

and at safety we kept 5.. fox, doughty, landry, PP, taylor ??
It looks like we only kept 4 receivers. i woldn't rule out a late addition, though.

Freaking Fabini? Really?! I still can't get over that. Couldn't they find a corpse somewhere to put on the OL?

[shally]

Oh, that's right, he played for Arizona or something last year, right? I still would have kept Beasely. His run (and especially pass) blocking would have done more for our offense than some weak blocking TE.

saints, i think were his last team

but do we have only 4 receivers ?

and both wilson and alexander made the roster..

[Slobberknocker]

Boshetti????? seriously WTH!!!!!

Okay, hide the cocaine. Boschetti is a DT, not a DE, right?

[shally]

It looks like we only kept 4 receivers. i woldn't rule out a late addition, though.

Freaking Fabini? Really?! I still can't get over that. Couldn't they find a corpse somewhere to put on the OL?

he must have pictures of buges in his locker smiling with larry craig..

i bet we have several vet receivers in for a look in next couple of days.. mccardell and gabriel

wynn has a right to be smoked that he has cut in favor of boschetti..

[BurgundyNGold]

Boshetti????? seriously WTH!!!!!
Boschetti plays DT, or so I am told. Buzbee and Hickman are both project DE. I would have kept Askew over him. Bigger upside.

[shally]

Okay, hide the cocaine. Boschetti is a DT, not a DE, right?

he can play both.. equally poorly... he had his career game against pittsburgh i think.. at DE.. he had a couple of sacks and some other defensive plays.. but that was at least 2 years ago..

[CNYSkinFan]

Boshetti????? seriously WTH!!!!!
Can I concede Roster Wars now...Boschetti, Fabini, Torrence, Mason,

[Slobberknocker]

Washington Times has us one-below, at 52. Guess we'll be adding a receiver, come morning.

[Slobberknocker]

he can play both.. equally poorly...

Badoom tish!

Okay, reset the Ade Jimoh clock...

[CNYSkinFan]

Here's a twist. Somebody at JLC's blog commented that we left two open roster spots. Can anybody confirm? CNY?

That would be a humdinger, and keep me unfortunately riveted to this chair...
We had 75, needed to get to 53, Released 22....I think we are right on. Not sure

[Slobberknocker]

Can I concede Roster Wars now...Boschetti, Fabini, Torrence, Mason,

Guess you picked the wrong week to stop smoking.

[BurgundyNGold]

Can I concede Roster Wars now...Boschetti, Fabini, Torrence, Mason,
Not so quick, I've gotten all of those wrong too. They're head scratchers. The kind that make you question WTH the position coaches are seeing out there.

[CNYSkinFan]

Washington Times has us one-below, at 52. Guess we'll be adding a receiver, come morning.
Sartz going to IR...that would create the opening...probably right about a WR.

[shally]

Washington Times has us one-below, at 52. Guess we'll be adding a receiver, come morning.

given that we have 4 runners, 1 fb, 3 te.. i would agree that we are holding a spot for the vet receiver who impresses the front office the most in the next 48 hrs...

[CNYSkinFan]

Not so quick, I've gotten all of those wrong too. They're head scratchers. The kind that make you question WTH the position coaches are seeing out there.
I am the King of the losers lol

[Slobberknocker]

We had 75, needed to get to 53, Released 22....I think we are right on. Not sure

Per Washington Times:
Redskins set roster [Ryan O'Halloran]

It's official. The Redskins made 23 roster moves yesterday to get down to 52 players (one below the 53-man limit):


Quarterbacks (3): Jason Campbell, Mark Brunell, Todd Collins.


Running backs (5): Ladell Betts, Rock Cartwright, Marcus Mason, Clinton Portis, Mike Sellers.


Receivers (4): Brandon Lloyd, Santana Moss, Antwaan Randle El, James Thrash.


Tight ends (3): Chris Cooley, Eric Edwards, Todd Yoder.


Offensive linemen (9): Jason Fabini, Stephon Heyer, Jon Jansen, Pete Kendall, Mike Pucillo, Casey Rabach, Chris Samuels, Randy Thomas, Todd Wade.


Defensive linemen (9): Lorenzo Alexander, Ryan Boschetti, Andre Carter, Phillip Daniels, Demetric Evans, Kedric Golston, Cornelius Griffin, Anthony Montgomery, Chris Wilson.


Linebackers (6): H.B. Blades, Khary Campbell, London Fletcher, Randall Godfrey, Rocky McIntosh, Marcus Washington.


Defensive backs (10): Reed Doughty, Vernon Fox, LaRon Landry, David Macklin, Pierson Prioleau, Carlos Rogers, Fred Smoot, Shawn Springs, Sean Taylor, Leigh Torrance.


Special teams (3): Ethan Albright, Derrick Frost, Shaun Suisham.

[Slobberknocker]

I am the King of the losers lol

Maybe waiving Sartz was the extra move?

[Slobberknocker]

Extremeskins update:

The Redskins will announce their eight-man practice squad on Sunday.

Ok gang, now that the list is out I am going to get going. It has been an absolute pleasure to report to you from Redskins Park today. I feel like we got some stuff done too.

We broke the Cooley story. We spoke to guys like Renaldo and Ade as they left for the last time. We heard from the coach, twice.

We have the list of players released to consider and discuss. There is also that one open roster spot that calls us to supposition.

From Redskins Park, this is JimmiJo, signing off.

[CNYSkinFan]

Wait Fox made the team over Stoutmire? We only kept 6 lbers?

Ok I now am going to soak my head lol

[BurgundyNGold]

I am the King of the losers lol
I liked Mason's play but not enough for both him AND Rock to make the active roster. That's a bad decision. Nobody would have gotten Mason off of our PS. I mean, how often does anyone get a RB off of the PS of another team to put them on their active roster based on the strength of 4 preseason games?

[BurgundyNGold]

Wait Fox made the team over Stoutmire? We only kept 6 lbers?

Ok I now am going to soak my head lol
That's what I said. Steve Jackson is really making me question his ability to judge talent.

[shally]

Wait Fox made the team over Stoutmire? We only kept 6 lbers?

Ok I now am going to soak my head lol

no that one makes sense... if they cut jimoh, they needed another killer special teams player. doughty is good, but fox had some incredible games on special teams last year. that was his ticket onto the team because i doubt we will see him in the def backfield at all

although fox over trucks makes not that much sense..

[CNYSkinFan]

no that one makes sense... if they cut jimoh, they needed another killer special teams player. doughty is good, but fox had some incredible games on special teams last year. that was his ticket onto the team because i doubt we will see him in the def backfield at all

although fox over trucks makes not that much sense..
That is absurd. We have other gunners like torrence and Doughty, and stoutmire played ST as well.

Foxx must have stole the incriminating photos Jimoh kept.

[shally]

That is absurd. We have other gunners like torrence and Doughty, and stoutmire played ST as well.

Foxx must have stole the incriminating photos Jimoh kept.

yes, true.. but fox had some over the top games.. wasnt he special teams player of the week last year ??

hey, most of us wanted the team to get younger. that is exactly what happened...

[CNYSkinFan]

yes, true.. but fox had some over the top games.. wasnt he special teams player of the week last year ??

hey, most of us wanted the team to get younger. that is exactly what happened...
great...that will be wonderful consolation as he trails a receiver 5 yards into an endzone.

[shally]

great...that will be wonderful consolation as he trails a receiver 5 yards into an endzone.

relax and think it through a minute.. our top 3 safeties are going to be PP, taylor, landry.. our top 3 corners are smoot, rogers, springs.
tell me what formation you think any opponent is going to run that puts fox out there as a 7th defensive back ??
hail mary at the end of half or end of game ?? i even doubt that because fletcher is more likely to be out there than fox...

barring injury we wont see fox in the defensive backfield all year..

[CNYSkinFan]

relax and think it through a minute.. our top 3 safeties are going to be PP, taylor, landry.. our top 3 corners are smoot, rogers, springs.
tell me what formation you think any opponent is going to run that puts fox out there as a 7th defensive back ??
hail mary at the end of half or end of game ?? i even doubt that because fletcher is more likely to be out there than fox...

barring injury we wont see fox in the defensive backfield all year..
barring injury.......which is exactly how he got on the field last year.

[shally]

barring injury.......which is exactly how he got on the field last year.

more likely because of AA insufficiencies, then PP's injury as you said, then vincent's age, doughty's inexperience..

it could happen, but it is less likely this year

[LASkin]

I wasn't overly impressed with Sartz but I thought he had potential. I still think he's too lanky and slow to be a LB and that his future could be on the DL. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up coming back in some capacity.

I like him, but don't think he has a DE's mentality, and he certainly doesn't have the strength. Maybe a better shot would be at SS - that's what he was before USC converted him to LB.

[shally]

I like him, but don't think he has a DE's mentality, and he certainly doesn't have the strength. Maybe a better shot would be at SS - that's what he was before USC converted him to LB.

arch redux ??? no thanks...:D

[Syllable]

Hoag, buzzbee, wynn are the surprises. I guess we are keeping Chris Wilson.

[HanburgerBum]

no that one makes sense... if they cut jimoh, they needed another killer special teams player. doughty is good, but fox had some incredible games on special teams last year. that was his ticket onto the team because i doubt we will see him in the def backfield at all

although fox over trucks makes not that much sense..


The team kept 10 DBs just as I suspected. But, I had no clue that Fox and Doughty would be two of them. What we have here are two strictly ST players (neither can cover my grandmother). Since Torrance is a corner, there is only one reserve safety (Prioleau) who can cover anybody. So, even with 10 DBs, the roster is thin at safety.

Keeping Boschetti over Trucks makes absolutely no sense. Trucks plays ST and is a viable LB to groom for the future. I would be surpised if he doesn't catch on somewhere else. With Griffin, Golston, Montgomery and Evans ahead of him, when is Boschetti going to see the field?

Just how bad are Whitley and Lefotu, if they can't beat out Fabini?

[Syllable]

It looks like we only kept 4 receivers. i woldn't rule out a late addition, though.

Freaking Fabini? Really?! I still can't get over that. Couldn't they find a corpse somewhere to put on the OL?

I thought they couldnt sign practice dummies to sqauds.. Guess i was wrong. Was Fabini playing well during the preseason?

[shally]

I thought they couldnt sign practice dummies to sqauds.. Guess i was wrong. Was Fabini playing well during the preseason?
no

[Slobberknocker]

Hoag, buzzbee, wynn are the surprises. I guess we are keeping Chris Wilson.

Hoag? A surprise? The surprise will be who we pick up tomorrow.

[shally]

Hoag? A surprise? The surprise will be who we pick up tomorrow.

sounds like a good idea for a poll...

hmmm. guess the identity of the mystery receiver coming tomorrow

[Syllable]

Hoag? A surprise? The surprise will be who we pick up tomorrow.

He played well, did some catching, and Scored some touchdowns. So a surprise, yes.

[shally]

He played well, did some catching, and Scored some touchdowns. So a surprise, yes.

i think that was far less surprising than trucks not making the team, boschetti actually making the team, and keeping only 4 wideouts...

[CNYSkinFan]

The team kept 10 DBs just as I suspected. But, I had no clue that Fox and Doughty would be two of them. What we have here are two strictly ST players (neither can cover my grandmother). Since Torrance is a corner, there is only one reserve safety (Prioleau) who can cover anybody. So, even with 10 DBs, the roster is thin at safety.

Keeping Boschetti over Trucks makes absolutely no sense. Trucks plays ST and is a viable LB to groom for the future. I would be surpised if he doesn't catch on somewhere else. With Griffin, Golston, Montgomery and Evans ahead of him, when is Boschetti going to see the field?

Just how bad are Whitley and Lefotu, if they can't beat out Fabini?
i feel bad for Lefotu because he was optimistic after a good meeting with Buges this morning according to JLC's blog.

He has PS eligibility he could come back still

[Lavar703]

Why did we only keep 4 WR? I kind of like Berman, but what are you going to do. I wish Trucks and Hickman would have made the team, but Im happy Jimoh finally got cut, as good as he was on special teams, he was too much of a liability as a DB. My favorite player of the preseason made the team in Marcus Mason, I think hes going to be a steal, you guys should really watch some of the videos of him on youtube, simply amazing, not trying to say that will translate, but still a good find. Im happy Palmer got cut, hes just not an NFL QB and probably will never be, although im not too happy about having Brunell on the roster, I just dont think his experience outweighs his badly declining skill level and his body is really betraying him. I do think we should take a look at Buster Davis who has been cut by the Cardinals, and we really have to get another reciever, possibly Reggie Williams or Doug Gabriel.

[Hr fan]

JLC's Blog (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/)

throw a party!!!!

How did Boschetti survive? At least Ade could play teams (though I felt he wasn't versatile enough to survive).

[Syllable]

i think that was far less surprising than trucks not making the team, boschetti actually making the team, and keeping only 4 wideouts...
well thats the surprise. I thought hoag would have been number 5.

[Hr fan]

great...that will be wonderful consolation as he trails a receiver 5 yards into an endzone.

With young studs Landry and Taylor, and PP available, do you really expect to see either Fox or Doughty in the base defense?

[CNYSkinFan]

well thats the surprise. I thought hoag would have been number 5.
we have 1 open roster spot. We wil be signing a WR, I guarantee it

[CNYSkinFan]

With young studs Landry and Taylor, and PP available, do you really expect to see either Fox or Doughty in the base defense?
I didn't expect to see him last year either...but we did. Injuries happen.

[Hr fan]

no that one makes sense... if they cut jimoh, they needed another killer special teams player. doughty is good, but fox had some incredible games on special teams last year. that was his ticket onto the team because i doubt we will see him in the def backfield at all

although fox over trucks makes not that much sense..

Agree, keep Fox over Jimoh. The problem we have with players like Trucks is that he shows well against non 1st stringers in games that don't mean anything. Coaches have to extrapolate whether this will translate to the regular season. It's a crap shoot, but they are better equiped to make these judgements (I hope).

[Syllable]

Agree, keep Fox over Jimoh. The problem we have with players like Trucks is that he shows well against non 1st stringers in games that don't mean anything. Coaches have to extrapolate whether this will translate to the regular season. It's a crap shoot, but they are better equiped to make these judgements (I hope).

Fox proved that he wasn't a total bust at coverage, and can play safety without getting demolished. Even though it did look ugly, he wasn't getting picked on 24/7

[Hr fan]

I didn't expect to see him last year either...but we did. Injuries happen.

No Clark, no Landry, PP hurt on the very first play and an AA who we discovered couldn't play in this defense. Then and only then did Fox arrive, cut by Detroit, Like much of the D last year he was a last minute play by ear with what is available decision (Wright came before TC but Jimoh was really to move Taylor Jacobs).

[CNYSkinFan]

Fox proved that he wasn't a total bust at coverage, and can play safety without getting demolished. Even though it did look ugly, he wasn't getting picked on 24/7
That is because the opposing offense was busy picking on wright and rumpf as well. It was a smorgasborg last year lol

[panthro]

really glad we kept mason. i bet we'll see him in the lineup at some point in the future. the kid sizzles everytime he touches the ball.

[hail2skins]

we have 1 open roster spot. We wil be signing a WR, I guarantee itJust about to mention that myself.

[CNYSkinFan]

Just about to mention that myself.
Espescially after Gibbs press conference about the importance of keeping 5 Wrs just afew hours ago lol

[Hr fan]

Hoag? A surprise? The surprise will be who we pick up tomorrow.

Only 52 on the squad? Then I have to agree with you.

[Syllable]

Any notable Wr's been cut? Who are we looking at for top canidate to be picked up?

[hail2skins]

The roster page has been updated. Pay no attention to the injured reserve section.

http://www.hailredskins.com/?page_id=19

[CNYSkinFan]

The roster page has been updated. Pay no attention to the injured reserve section.

http://www.hailredskins.com/?page_id=19
We have more people on our IR then will be on our practice squad lol

[shally]

Any notable Wr's been cut? Who are we looking at for top canidate to be picked up?

keeenan mccardell
doug gabriel

i would not be surprised if either got a workout and an offer in the next 48 hrs
not many other wideouts who are familiar names out there
the raiders cut whitted today

[dcumdfan]

The roster page has been updated. Pay no attention to the injured reserve section.

http://www.hailredskins.com/?page_id=19

Lemar Marshall was already cut and Marcus Washington isn't on the page

[CNYSkinFan]

i would bet it is mccardell. we wanted him+ before and probably why we left a roster spot open.

[Hr fan]

The roster page has been updated. Pay no attention to the injured reserve section.

http://www.hailredskins.com/?page_id=19

When did Lemar Marshall rejoin the 'Skins?

[MONK_in_HOF]

i would bet it is mccardell. we wanted him+ before and probably why we left a roster spot open.

That is my guess too. Can't believe he couldn't stick w/ Houston though, but I guess after A. Johnson they want to develop their young WRs.

[hail2skins]

When did Lemar Marshall rejoin the 'Skins?huh, what are you talking about. :D

[hail2skins]

The interactive depth chart is a work in progress. Just hover over the X's and O's. I want to totally redesign it but can't find the pictures I need.

http://www.hailredskins.com/depthchart.htm

[frankez99]

I'm actually gonna miss Jimoh and Wynn.....damn....no Salave'a, no Marshall....no Wynn....no Jimoh...all of the old regime are leaving! It's for the better though. Thanks for your service guys!

I also dig this per PFT.com:

"REDSKINS CUT RENALDO WYNN, CARSON'S BROTHER by Michael David Smith

HailRedskins.com reports that the Redskins have made their final roster cuts.

The most recognizable names on the list are Renaldo Wynn, the 11-year veteran defensive end, and quarterback Jordan Palmer, the Redskins' sixth-round pick, who's best known as Carson's younger brother. The release of Palmer makes a trade of veteran backup Mark Brunell appear less likely.

The full list of players released: Calvin Armstrong, Matthias Askew, Fred Beasley, Brian Bell, Carl Berman, Corey Bradford, Dee Brown, Alex Buzbee, John Eubanks, Justin Hickman, Ryan Hoag, Ade Jimoh, Kili Lefotu, Jake Nordin, Jordan Palmer, Matt Sinclair, Omar Stoutmire, Burl Toler, Anthony Trucks, Byron Westbrook, Taylor Whitley, Renaldo Wynn and Dallas Sartz. "

hR.com getting some love, much deserved.

[Skins7ny]

I think the Skins have already done Wynn many favors by paying him good money for almost 5 years. He had started to slide at least two years ago. Some other team would have cut him long before 2007. I don't believe the team owes him a thing. If Wynn were truly stunned by his release, he must be delusional.
When the Skins signed him, he was purely a run stopper. He showed at Jacksonville that he was never going to be a pass rusher, despite their selecting him with the 17th choice in the first round. We gave him a 6 year-$21M contract back when that was real money. He never should have gotten that kind of a deal, being a purely one-dimensional player, and the wrong dimension at that. I always thought that he got that deal because of Vinny's loyalty to Notre Dame, where Wynn played ball. Anyway, Wynn was for us exactly what he was in Jacksonville, a good run-stopper who cannot rush the passer worth a darn. I'd say he has no reason to be bitter.
Boschetti plays DT, or so I am told. Buzbee and Hickman are both project DE. I would have kept Askew over him. Bigger upside.

I don't think Askew showed much while he was here. I think Boschetti is better than we all give him credit for. He can play DE, and can probably play the run about as well as Wynn could at this point in his career, and for a lot less money and lower injury risk.

I liked Mason's play but not enough for both him AND Rock to make the active roster. That's a bad decision. Nobody would have gotten Mason off of our PS. I mean, how often does anyone get a RB off of the PS of another team to put them on their active roster based on the strength of 4 preseason games?
I am very impressed with Mason, and give the FO a lot of credit for signing him as an undrafted free agent. You are right that RBs don't usually get signed off the practice squad, but a number of teams are unhappy with their 3rd HB situation (GB made a trade with the Giants today for some guy at the bottom of their roster I've never heard of) and I think it was not worth the risk. Especially since they already felt that they could cut one more player than they had to (they are at 52 players right now). The main thing is that I thing Gibbs is determined not to be caught short at the RB position again this year like he was last year, and I think that he is making the right move in keeping Mason on the active roster.

sounds like a good idea for a poll...

hmmm. guess the identity of the mystery receiver coming tomorrow

I would bet dollars to donuts it is McCardell. Gibbs drafted him, they would have had him but for his hometown Texans' interest in him, and now McCardell is seemingly out of options if he wants to continue his career. He may not have much in the tank, but he is a veteran who can be a possession receiver and maybe rub off a little bit on Lloyd.

[MadDog97]

Well, this is always a tough day. Wynn was a locker room leader and well liked but the defensive line needed an upgrade. I want to see who makes the practice squad. Buzbee should be a candidate. Like others Jimoh got burned too many times for my taste, but was a valuable special teams player. Wynn saw it coming but would have preferred to be released like Salavea. The only concern is that we have a leadership gap, but with Fletcher, Daniels, Jansen, Thomas, Moss and other vets we should be OK.

Now, during the draft I remember saying we should draft lineman late. Others thought our choices were sound. Out of the draft we keep Blades and Landry. Dallas Sartz would probably have made it if not for an injury. The front office is getting wiser on free agents, but still needs to improve its draft efficiency. Cuts like Askew remind me that the answer is not always picking up an unrestricted FA. Jordan Palmer was a wasted pick that I felt would never have happened if he had a different last name. And what was the purpose of bringing Beasley in?

But to the class gentleman we have let leave I say have a good future: Wynn, Marshall, Jimoh in 2007. You join guys I will miss, but in 2007, I do understand the reason.

Oh, and welcome back Mr. Smoot.

[MadDog97]

sounds like a good idea for a poll...

hmmm. guess the identity of the mystery receiver coming tomorrow

The only receivers that they may consider are McCardell or Billy McMullen. Oh, if we had not traded away those draft picks! Who knows, maybe there is an unknown rookie who got cut they like.

[jaylen]

wow I skimmed the whole post to read the comments interesting stuff from all you guys. Seems like every few years a player just coasts along and continues to make the team despite not producing and Boschetti is that new guy, what has he done to warrant making the team .As for Wynn he has no beef he never played well for us and the initial contract he got from us was a christmas gift.

Torrance over Jimoh is a stunner in that Jimoh is a far better special team talent. With how many good corners we got it makes more sense to keep a special teams Ace.

I don't like Jimoh in coverage but he'd never see te field this year so his special teams play would have been huge. Torrance is a real surprise he must can really cover because he seems average on teams, Eubanks and Jimoh seemed to out perform him.

Fox and Douthy make the team, thats amazing as well. As does Rock and Mason. Mason wasn't gonna get snatched from the ps so keeping him on the roster seems puzzling. He should be a practice squad guy he's a very good back we could stash.

Very bad front office preparation to have us in the wr pinch that we're in. There's no way we should be in that predicament, should have drafted a young guy or at the least got someone decent in free agency.

Now we're scrambling to find a guy. I'm guessing a trade could be in the works at wr as well.

[hail2skins]

interesting numbers about the roster:

Average age = 28
youngest age = 23
oldest age = 37

5 players are 23
2 players are 24
5 players are 25
6 players are 26
2 players are 27
10 players are 28
2 players are 29
4 players are 30
4 players are 31
4 players are 32
1 player is 33
3 players are 34
0 players are 35
2 players are 36
1 player is 37

Average age for cornerbacks is 28
Average age for defensive linemen is 27
Average age for fullbacks is 32
Average age for kicker is 26
Average age for linebackers is 29
Average age for our longsnapper is 36
Average age for our offensive linemen is 30
Average age for our punter is 27
Average age for our Quarterbacks is 33
Average age for runningbacks is 26
Average age for safeties is 26
Average age for tight ends is 27
Average age for wide receivers is 29

[smoak]

Its sad to see the nasty garbage written about Wynn. I for one appreciate what he brough to this team and hope we continue to stop the run with the guys we kept.

I wish you the best Wynn and I hope you catch on somewhere in the AFC.

[The Iceman]

few surprises, but overall, i thought a pretty uneventful roster cutdown. a little surprised about only keeping 4 WR's, but obviously mccardell is on the radar. I'm a little upset about the fact that lorenzo alexander made the roster while we sit on 5 DT's, but we cut a guy like john eubanks who i thought had a stellar preseason.

[The Iceman]

interesting numbers about the roster:

Average age = 28
youngest age = 23
oldest age = 37

5 players are 23
2 players are 24
5 players are 25
6 players are 26
2 players are 27
10 players are 28
2 players are 29
4 players are 30
4 players are 31
4 players are 32
1 player is 33
3 players are 34
0 players are 35
2 players are 36
1 player is 37

Average age for cornerbacks is 28
Average age for defensive linemen is 27
Average age for fullbacks is 32
Average age for kicker is 26
Average age for linebackers is 29
Average age for our longsnapper is 36
Average age for our offensive linemen is 30
Average age for our punter is 27
Average age for our Quarterbacks is 33
Average age for runningbacks is 26
Average age for safeties is 26
Average age for tight ends is 27
Average age for wide receivers is 29

good post, nice to see a lot of players on the right side of 30

[TonyStewart]

thats something I would have done when I was really bored but I would have only done it in my head and never recorded it...

...so I thank you for ruining my boredom work during my classes this week.

[Syllable]

Average age for cornerbacks is 28
Average age for defensive linemen is 27
Average age for fullbacks is 32
Average age for kicker is 26
Average age for linebackers is 29
Average age for our longsnapper is 36
Average age for our offensive linemen is 30
Average age for our punter is 27
Average age for our Quarterbacks is 33
Average age for runningbacks is 26
Average age for safeties is 26
Average age for tight ends is 27
Average age for wide receivers is 29
Drop Brunell and collins and our team average plummets.

[TonyStewart]

interesting numbers about the roster:


Average age for kicker is 26
Average age for linebackers is 29
Average age for our longsnapper is 36
Average age for our offensive linemen is 30
Average age for our punter is 27
Average age for our Quarterbacks is 33
Average age for runningbacks is 26
Average age for safeties is 26
Average age for tight ends is 27
Average age for wide receivers is 29

Those are some interesting numbers:drunker:

[shally]

The only receivers that they may consider are McCardell or Billy McMullen. Oh, if we had not traded away those draft picks! Who knows, maybe there is an unknown rookie who got cut they like.

i think it might be gabriel because of our interest in him for some time

[HAWGZHEAD]

Actually, I don't think we offered Clark a contract. We were too busy going after Arch Deluxe.He wanted a 1.5 mill bonus, we offered him 750k and he walked.

[shally]

He wanted a 1.5 mill bonus, we offered him 750k and he walked.

and didnt he get around 1 mil in pitts ?

actually somewhat surprised he survived their cutdown because he was rotated last year

[HAWGZHEAD]

and didnt he get around 1 mil in pitts ?

actually somewhat surprised he survived their cutdown because he was rotated last year
Yeah I believe Pitts offer was less than what he wanted but more than our offer. He was probably a little miffed at the whole situation.

[BurgundyNGold]

He wanted a 1.5 mill bonus, we offered him 750k and he walked.
I can't find anything about those numbers but this is what the WaPo had...


Former Redskins starting safety Ryan Clark agreed to a four-year contract with Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh yesterday, according to his agent, Joel Turner. Clark, a previously obscure player who became a regular contributor on one of the NFL's premier defenses, negotiated with Washington for a year, but the sides never struck a deal. Steelers officials told Clark they expect him to be their starting free safety, Turner said. The Redskins targeted safety Adam Archuleta in free agency and signed him Monday.


Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/14/AR2006031400957.html)

We had already signed Arch Deluxe, so I don't think we had much left on the table to Clark when he left. If he stayed, he would have been relegated to a backup role anyway. I bet he was pretty pissed. I would have been.

[Slobberknocker]

I also dig this per PFT.com:

"REDSKINS CUT RENALDO WYNN, CARSON'S BROTHER by Michael David Smith

HailRedskins.com reports that the Redskins have made their final roster cuts.

hR.com getting some love, much deserved.

I saw that! Woot woot! So... who's gonna be our reporter? You think he meant Extremeskins that actually employs one?

[HAWGZHEAD]

I can't find anything about those numbers but this is what the WaPo had...



Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/14/AR2006031400957.html)

We had already signed Arch Deluxe, so I don't think we had much left on the table to Clark when he left. If he stayed, he would have been relegated to a backup role anyway. I bet he was pretty pissed. I would have been.I found this from your buddy and I think I remember Akh having to say it over and over right after he left to those that thought we didn't at least try.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2006/11/in_the_interest_of_accuracy_my.html

[shally]

I can't find anything about those numbers but this is what the WaPo had...



Source (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/14/AR2006031400957.html)

We had already signed Arch Deluxe, so I don't think we had much left on the table to Clark when he left. If he stayed, he would have been relegated to a backup role anyway. I bet he was pretty pissed. I would have been.

i went back to see if i could find that quote from gibbs.. looked at scouts.com where i thought it was. it would be from around mar 16, 06 but could not find it.
i know that gibbs was asked about the situation

considering that not only did he go to pitts for more money, but with the understanding that he was the starter--he had to have been pissed by being rotated at safety. he was a back up for much of the year.

i was mildly surprised he didnt even get cut. but he is valuable as a reserve

[BurgundyNGold]

I found this from your buddy and I think I remember Akh having to say it over and over right after he left to those that thought we didn't at least try.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2006/11/in_the_interest_of_accuracy_my.html


Jeebus, did you read this blog? It is comedy gold, lol. Gold, Jerry! It was like Three's Company out at Redskins Park.

[PennSkinsFan]

Honestly, the only actual SURPRISE on this list to me is Trucks. I felt he played to the point her actually deserved a spot.

[shally]

Honestly, the only actual SURPRISE on this list to me is Trucks. I felt he played to the point her actually deserved a spot.

i think he could actually end up on someone's roster if they are thin at linebacker

[HAWGZHEAD]

Jeebus, did you read this blog? It is comedy gold, lol. Gold, Jerry! It was like Three's Company out at Redskins Park.
I didn't read the whole thing originally. It was just what popped up when I googled Clarks contract. Didn't sound as if he was very popular around Redskins park during that period of time lol.

[Syllable]

Honestly, the only actual SURPRISE on this list to me is Trucks. I felt he played to the point her actually deserved a spot.

Not so surprised, who were we gonna make room for trucks?

[shally]

Not so surprised, who were we gonna make room for trucks?

fox

how many plays is the 5th safety gonna get in on ? had to be for fox's special teams ability.. that is all i can think of

[BurgundyNGold]

I didn't read the whole thing originally. It was just what popped up when I googled Clarks contract. Didn't sound as if he was very popular around Redskins park during that period of time lol.
Oh, man, you have to read this. Danny, Eric Shaffer and Karl Swanson might as well be Larry, Moe and Curly, in the aftermath of that negotiation, lol.

[skinsfan36]

sasd to see good guys like wynn and salavea go but we are going for a yoith movement on our line for the better.but how does boschetti and fabini make the team i hope they are cut asap. we know boschetti is going to be as soon as we find some1 to sign.

[skinsfan36]

fox

how many plays is the 5th safety gonna get in on ? had to be for fox's special teams ability.. that is all i can think of

not much fox is a beastly teamer probably better then jimoh and i mean anyone can cover a reciever better then jimoh

[shally]

sasd to see good guys like wynn and salavea go but we are going for a yoith movement on our line for the better.but how does boschetti and fabini make the team i hope they are cut asap. we know boschetti is going to be as soon as we find some1 to sign.

not necessarily so.. we have only 52 until we sign someone (presumably a wideout) but you never know.

he must have bought the incriminating photos from jimoh...

[CNYSkinFan]

Not so surprised, who were we gonna make room for trucks?
ryan boschetti, vernon fox, Jason Fabini, Those on merit alone i would make room for Trucks.

I would also p[ut Mason on PS, and poissibly Leigh Torrence for Trucks.

I dont l;ke keeping 6lbers. We usually like 7 for injury reasons.

[BurgundyNGold]

Honestly, the only actual SURPRISE on this list to me is Trucks. I felt he played to the point her actually deserved a spot.
I don't know. I think that Stoutmire getting cut in favor of Fox and/or Baby Arch Deluxe is surprising. I also think that keeping 4 RBs is surprising, especially after cutting Beasely (in favor of the weak blocking TE Edwards) so that they have only Sellers to block for them.

Oh, and Jason Fabini making the team is a straight up shocker. I truly have not seen a worse performance on the OL at the pro level than what he turned in during the Pittsburgh game.

[Syllable]

fox

how many plays is the 5th safety gonna get in on ? had to be for fox's special teams ability.. that is all i can think of

Here is how I think it played out. We have 3 starting safeties is what GW was aiming for: PP, Taylor, and Landry. He has been on the record saying hes gonna play alot of packages with 3 safeties. So we would need at least 2 players to back up those three slots. Linebackers.. We rarely run 3-4 or ever have 4 playing ( from my experience ) at the same time. Obviously Khary and Blades are obvious backups, and we keep a vet like Godfrey. Blades can cover most lb positions and Godfrey is experience so I bet he can play them too. Not to mention the fact that we dropped Jimoh. Fox will probably take over Jimoh's Teams spot.

To me, it looks like it is necessity of depth.

[Syllable]

ryan boschetti, vernon fox, Jason Fabini, Those on merit alone i would make room for Trucks.

I would also p[ut Mason on PS, and poissibly Leigh Torrence for Trucks.

I dont l;ke keeping 6lbers. We usually like 7 for injury reasons.

Sadly last year our Secondary was decimated by depth problems so that probably influenced the decision.

For Fabini, I could only think we would trade him for another OL, not LB. We have enough probs at OL as it is.
Boschetti makes plays on the special teams and is depth at Dline since we cut wynn.

[PennSkinsFan]

I don't know. I think that Stoutmire getting cut in favor of Fox and/or Baby Arch Deluxe is surprising. I also think that keeping 4 RBs is surprising, especially after cutting Beasely (in favor of the weak blocking TE Edwards) so that they have only Sellers to block for them.

Oh, and Jason Fabini making the team is a straight up shocker. I truly have not seen a worse performance on the OL at the pro level than what he turned in during the Pittsburgh game.

Ya know what, you are right, Fabini making the team is horrendous. He was pretty pathetic from game open of preseason to game 4. The only thing I can think of is they feel better going with a vet.

[shally]

Ya know what, you are right, Fabini making the team is horrendous. He was pretty pathetic from game open of preseason to game 4. The only thing I can think of is they feel better going with a vet.

or they kept getting his films from this preseason mixed up with his films from when he was a jet....:doh:

fabini is a real head scratcher. but it is not the first time that has happened with an o lineman. remember when we kept molinaro after he was constantly belittled by everyone writing ?
almost every thing that was written said nobody could understand why he was being kept.
same thing here, except that fabini is an established vet

[Syllable]

or they kept getting his films from this preseason mixed up with his films from when he was a jet....:doh:

fabini is a real head scratcher. but it is not the first time that has happened with an o lineman. remember when we kept molinaro after he was constantly belittled by everyone writing ?
almost every thing that was written said nobody could understand why he was being kept.
same thing here, except that fabini is an established vet

Next comming of Taylor Jacobs? Practice superstar.

On another note, Could Mason be our 3rd RB and Rock #4? Rock obviously cannot run unless he has a gaping hole. And obviously we keep Rock because of his Teams play.

[shally]

Next comming of Taylor Jacobs? Practice superstar.

jacobs made the niner final roster, i believe.. so the legend only grows...

[shally]

Next comming of Taylor Jacobs? Practice superstar.

On another note, Could Mason be our 3rd RB and Rock #4? Rock obviously cannot run unless he has a gaping hole. And obviously we keep Rock because of his Teams play.
rock will be active every game unless injured because he is our primary KO returner.

mason stays inactive unless betts or portis is nicked-- unless he turns out to be the same kind of special teams player that rock is...

[Skinz4lyfe]

Fabini made the team? Why? And I am surprised Fox made the team, considering Stoutmire is an established and arguably better player. I guess since Jimoh got cut, Fox gets the nod because of his play on special teams.

[shally]

Fabini made the team? Why? And I am surprised Fox made the team, considering Stoutmire is an established and arguably better player. I guess since Jimoh got cut, Fox gets the nod because of his play on special teams.

that is the primary reason i can see.. and he is younger than omar

[JsMaViSd]

i dont understand what your alls hatred is towards Fabini..

he looked good against Jacksonville in my eyes

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

i dont understand what your alls hatred is towards Fabini..

he looked good against Jacksonville in my eyes
Have you seen an eye doctor lately? JK :)

I have not seen the Jax game (hopefully now NFL Network will replay it), but in the Pittsburgh game he was awful

[morty55]

I would also put Mason on PS, and poissibly Leigh Torrence for Trucks.



Mason performed like he was #3..on the depth chart..with two guys at the top who seem dinged lately..why not?..Byner loves the guy

to me Rock has done all we can expect..but he will never be the guy here..he is a special teams player

[morty55]

Have you seen an eye doctor lately? JK :)

I have not seen the Jax game (hopefully now NFL Network will replay it), but in the Pittsburgh game he was awful

NFL ch replay..1PM

Fabini gets slammed because of where he came from more than his talents from what I read..

[SpicyMcHaggis]

So I guess the d-line wasn't fine after all huh?

And how about those late round draft choices....thank god for H.B. Blades...

[Slobberknocker]

In the end, we're worrying about backups and specialteamers. When all is said and done, that's a fine problem to have.

Basically, as far as I can tell, we're up in arms over:

Fabini over Lefotu
Mason as a 4th RB
Only 4 WRs
Bochetti over Salave'a
Khary Campbell over Trucks
Fox/Doughty over Stoutmire
Torrence over Jimoh/Eubanks

WTF? That's really going out of our way to find pain. Lefotu, Trucks and Eubanks will be PS'd. Torrence, Doughty and Fox are good special teamers and make Jimoh expendable. Williams likes Boschetti and there's not much we can do. Buges thinks Fabini is salvageable and Lefotu has PS eligibility.

If anybody got jobbed, it was Trucks. I think his hustle will be missed. If we thought we were exorcising our softspot for certain players by dumping Wynn, Marshall, Salave'a and Jimoh, it came back to bite us with K Campbell. But again, Trucks is PS eligible. So in a way, I think the staff thought we could have both.

Kudos to Mason and Wilson for making this team.

[BurgundyNGold]

In the end, we're worrying about backups and specialteamers. When all is said and done, that's a fine problem to have.
By that logic, why even have this thread? We've known the starting lineup since April. I, for one, don't have any problem with people voicing their pleasure or displeasure over the final 53. It sure seems there are plenty of things for sane people with two eyes and ears to question.

[BurgundyNGold]

So I guess the d-line wasn't fine after all huh?
And it still isn't, lol.

And how about those late round draft choices....thank god for H.B. Blades...
Folks like to ridicule Pittsburgh for cutting 3 of their Day 2 draft picks. Well, so did we. ;)

[Slobberknocker]

And it still isn't, lol.


Folks like to ridicule Pittsburgh for cutting 3 of their Day 2 draft picks. Well, so did we. ;)

Say what you will. Alexander, Wilson and Mason made the squad. I don't give a damn whether they're drafted or undrafted. All I care about is if they can play.

[Hr fan]

In the end, we're worrying about backups and specialteamers. When all is said and done, that's a fine problem to have.

Basically, as far as I can tell, we're up in arms over:

Fabini over Lefotu
Mason as a 4th RB
Only 4 WRs
Bochetti over Salave'a
Khary Campbell over Trucks
Fox/Doughty over Stoutmire
Torrence over Jimoh/Eubanks

WTF? That's really going out of our way to find pain. Lefotu, Trucks and Eubanks will be PS'd. Torrence, Doughty and Fox are good special teamers and make Jimoh expendable. Williams likes Boschetti and there's not much we can do. Buges thinks Fabini is salvageable and Lefotu has PS eligibility.

If anybody got jobbed, it was Trucks. I think his hustle will be missed. If we thought we were exorcising our softspot for certain players by dumping Wynn, Marshall, Salave'a and Jimoh, it came back to bite us with K Campbell. But again, Trucks is PS eligible. So in a way, I think the staff thought we could have both.

Kudos to Mason and Wilson for making this team.

Very suscinct and accurate, especially about our reactions. However I don't think we are done. With Fabini, Wade, Heyer, Jansen and Samuels we have 5 OTs, 4WRs. Meanwhile our primary b/u on the interior Oline is Pucillo, who is limited. After him there is little. I think there will be changes this week and not just to fill the 1 remaining slot.

[BurgundyNGold]

Say what you will. Alexander, Wilson and Mason made the squad. I don't give a damn whether they're drafted or undrafted. All I care about is if they can play.
You should care. When UDFAs make your team it is far more often an indication of the lack of talent that you are replacing than the talent of those you are replacing them with. Of the 3 you mentioned, only Wilson looked as if he might be able to contribute anything, and even he has holes in his game that you would expect from a UDFA.

[hessy36]

So upsetting about Wynn. I just loved that guy... I'm very surprised by the cutting of vets this season... very.

[BurgundyNGold]

Very suscinct and accurate, especially about our reactions. However I don't think we are done. With Fabini, Wade, Heyer, Jansen and Samuels we have 5 OTs, 4WRs. Meanwhile our primary b/u on the interior Oline is Pucillo, who is limited. After him there is little. I think there will be changes this week and not just to fill the 1 remaining slot.
Looking at depth, I think Pucillo is the reason that Lefotu got cut. Pucillo was able to play OG effectively and C very well. That made Lefotu expendible. Fabini was a complete conflagration at OG, but being a natural tackle, I guess they figured that he was better than Armstrong at OT (though I disagree) and could conceivably play OG (assuming you wanted your QB beheaded).

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Wynn and Joe S. were no surprise to me, since I was figuring one or both were gone since March.

Keeping Fox over Stoutmire is a mistake to me. I have no confidence in Fox. He was afraid to fill the holes against the Giants last year, and I won't soon forget that. I know Stoutmire is going to hit you, because that's what he does.

I also liked the hustle of Trucks, but he was a long shot to make the team anyway.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Looking at depth, I think Pucillo is the reason that Lefotu got cut. Pucillo was able to play OG effectively and C very well. That made Lefotu expendible. Fabini was a complete conflagration at OG, but being a natural tackle, I guess they figured that he was better than Armstrong at OT (though I disagree) and could conceivably play OG (assuming you wanted your QB beheaded).

I feel good about our line depth so long as we don't lose more than one interior lineman. I have confidence in Wade at tackle and Pucillo at guard/center. I also have some confidence in Heyer.

If we have a complete disaster like the whole line getting food poisoning while eating with Randy Thomas before a game, then we have problems.:)

[BurgundyNGold]

I feel good about our line depth so long as we don't lose more than one interior lineman. I have confidence in Wade at tackle and Pucillo at guard/center. I also have some confidence in Heyer.

If we have a complete disaster like the whole line getting food poisoning while eating with Randy Thomas before a game, then we have problems.:)
Agreed. I actually feel more comfortable with our OL depth than I have in years. Still, I'd cut Fabini and replace him with Ndukwe in a heartbeat. I have no confidence in him at all. His display in the Pittsburgh game was among the most disgusting OL play I have ever seen.

[Hr fan]

Looking at depth, I think Pucillo is the reason that Lefotu got cut. Pucillo was able to play OG effectively and C very well. That made Lefotu expendible. Fabini was a complete conflagration at OG, but being a natural tackle, I guess they figured that he was better than Armstrong at OT (though I disagree) and could conceivably play OG (assuming you wanted your QB beheaded).

I really expect an OT to be traded, maybe for an OG or WR. Both Fabini and Wade sucked at G, while Heyer under very difficult conditions was credited by JG with not giving up a sack. IMO this means he won't be shifted inside unless it is a dire emergency. If the "trade" is for a WR then I think we will pursue Kedrick Vincent or someone at that level for G backup.

[BurgundyNGold]

I really expect an OT to be traded, maybe for an OG or WR. Both Fabini and Wade sucked at G, while Heyer under very difficult conditions was credited by JG with not giving up a sack. IMO this means he won't be shifted inside unless it is a dire emergency. If the "trade" is for a WR then I think we will pursue Kedrick Vincent or someone at that level for G backup.
Not a bad idea. I'd sign him over Fabini is a heartbeat.

BTW, ex-Redskin OT Mark Wilson got cut by the Faders yesterday too, for those who might care.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Say what you will. Alexander, Wilson and Mason made the squad. I don't give a damn whether they're drafted or undrafted. All I care about is if they can play.
And this is good news?

I am willing to bet that if any other team started the season with the same players we have on our defensive line right now we would be ridiculing them.

[skinsfaninva]

On another note, Could Mason be our 3rd RB and Rock #4? Rock obviously cannot run unless he has a gaping hole. And obviously we keep Rock because of his Teams play.

My thoughts exactly. Mason as our #3 and Rock makes the team as a STmer. Rock and Fox are our ST "stars" this year as Jimoh and Campbell had been in the past.

[BurgundyNGold]

My thoughts exactly. Mason as our #3 and Rock makes the team as a STmer. Rock and Fox are our ST "stars" this year as Jimoh and Campbell had been in the past.
So, then 6 guys made the roster because of special teams (Rig Red, Suisham, Frost, Campbell, Rock and Fox)? That would be amazing.

[Syllable]

And this is good news?

I am willing to bet that if any other team started the season with the same players we have on our defensive line right now we would be ridiculing them.

They played well during preseason and Camp so why ridicule them? Golston, Monty, Carter, Wilson, and Alexander have plenty of years left in them. If we can develope some of these players we are set.

[Slobberknocker]

And this is good news?

I am willing to bet that if any other team started the season with the same players we have on our defensive line right now we would be ridiculing them.

How 'bout we give them a chance to play for real and then criticize them if they're not up to snuff. Would that be asking for too much or is life without a gripe too much to bear?

[Syllable]

How 'bout we give them a chance to play for real and then criticize them if they're not up to snuff. Would that be asking for too much or is life without a gripe too much to bear?

/agree

[Slobberknocker]

"Cooley signed a six-year extension!"
"So? Our Dline sucks and we can't draft."

Sheesh.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

And this is good news?

I am willing to bet that if any other team started the season with the same players we have on our defensive line right now we would be ridiculing them.

We'll find out soon enough. Let the kids play

[CNYSkinFan]

They played well during preseason and Camp so why ridicule them? Golston, Monty, Carter, Wilson, and Alexander have plenty of years left in them. If we can develope some of these players we are set.

How 'bout we give them a chance to play for real and then criticize them if they're not up to snuff. Would that be asking for too much or is life without a gripe too much to bear?

Come one...seriously. Did you guys watch Boschetti play in the pre-season? I did. He was on his back more often then not. And Boschetti got his chance in real games the last couple of years and never impressed. at least Wynn was a decent run stopper.

Boschetti is a big mystery to me. And everyone. He is the new Ade Jimoh.

[shally]

Come one...seriously. Did you guys watch Boschetti play in the pre-season? I did. He was on his back more often then not. And Boschetti got his chance in real games the last couple of years and never impressed. at least Wynn was a decent run stopper.

Boschetti is a big mystery to me. And everyone. He is the new Ade Jimoh.

agreed.

but watched the first half of the game on nfl channel and fabini did not look that bad..