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rskinsfan10
09-05-2003, 12:52 PM
Okay boys and girls. This weeks hR poll question deals with one of the hot topics of the moment: the starting tailback position. Visit the homepage and let your voices be heard and accounted for.

As always, feel free to discuss your choices here in this thread.

Green-Is-Good
09-05-2003, 01:08 PM
Betts. If it were not for that 10 yard run in the 4th, Hall would have to have made a 40-some yarder.

Spence
09-05-2003, 02:32 PM
I'd start Betts, but as long as both Trung and Ladell [name another team that has two running backs with such weird names] get enough carries, I think it doesn't matter too much who starts the game.

jsarno
09-05-2003, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by Spence
I'd start Betts, but as long as both Trung and Ladell [name another team that has two running backs with such weird names] get enough carries, I think it doesn't matter too much who starts the game.

How about Tiki and Delvin?


I say Trung. This is why...it appears our offense is PERFECTLY taylored for a bobber and weaver. I LOVE betts, you guys know I do, I was against Trung coming here in the first place. But Trung needs to be the starter and get the main amount of carries. He's the one that can "hit the homer" as spence says.
We had a "chain mover" in Davis, we need the speedster and weaver!

Skins57
09-05-2003, 04:01 PM
I have been saying since the game ended that we need to give both playing time and it does not matter who starts

WRSK1NS
09-05-2003, 05:12 PM
I agree the one two punch works well no matter who gets the Official start.

jsarno
09-05-2003, 06:01 PM
I still don't agree with RB by committee...but last night might just start convincing me otherwise, we ran the ball VERY well.

LuvSkins17
09-05-2003, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by WRSK1NS
I agree the one two punch works well no matter who gets the Official start.

Sounds like Spurrier's plan..... I can live with this.

I do think that Betts was used more because Trung wasn't as effective in the second half. Just like the run was used because the passing game wasn't effective in the second half.

I am glad that the Ole' Ball Coach didn't use tunnel vision.

hail2skins
09-06-2003, 08:58 AM
I voted for the dynamic duo.

Skinzaholic
09-06-2003, 09:50 AM
Here is a thought... start Betts and allow him to wear down the defensive line... then put in Trung to break it open. If you noticed... Trung ran very well in the later part of the game.

Not sure if Trung will like coming off the bench though. Too close to St. Louis for him.

hail2skins
09-06-2003, 09:59 AM
Good idea Skinz, I'm sure we'll see that sometime this season.

NCskinsfanatic
09-06-2003, 10:16 AM
I vote leave Trung in as starter for the following reason,he was in the doghouse with Martz last year and it probably shook his confidence.He showed flashes thursday night and when he gets comfortable and has a good game or two i think you'll see him make better cuts and hit the hole on time.He had a couple of nice runs in the third or fourth,i think one was clled back for holding but you could see it on tv,when they showed a close up he was pumped and has a good burst.The line seems to block better for Betts N to S running style right now.Trung just needs to get comfortable,make better decisions,and use his natural ability,he's still young.
That being said Betts will eventually be the starter with Trung coming in with a little Warrick Dunn,Tikki Barber,Charlie Garner type of contribution.Just dont give up on Trung yet.Let Betts come off the bench and pound it down their throats after we've been passing well and running draws and screens to Trung.

DallasSux
09-06-2003, 10:30 AM
i voted for betts. he looked so fast.

AGibbsGirl
09-06-2003, 12:04 PM
OK, I'll be the bad guy, er, girl.

I was not all that impressed.
Call me spoiled, but I miss seeing a back plowing through defenders, guys hanging off his back and still gaining yards.

I saw plays where our guys were driven back and stopped on the run with no hope of that extra yard or two.

I like a big back with strength.

Someone tell me I'm wrong, and that we have that with Betts and Canidate, I'm ready to be persuaded.

Green-Is-Good
09-07-2003, 02:01 PM
Come on AGG. We ran better than we did with Stephen.

rskinsfan10
09-07-2003, 05:04 PM
Originally posted by AGibbsGirl
OK, I'll be the bad guy, er, girl.

I was not all that impressed.
Call me spoiled, but I miss seeing a back plowing through defenders, guys hanging off his back and still gaining yards.

I saw plays where our guys were driven back and stopped on the run with no hope of that extra yard or two.

I like a big back with strength.

Someone tell me I'm wrong, and that we have that with Betts and Canidate, I'm ready to be persuaded.

Here Here!!!

dj_stouty
09-07-2003, 06:33 PM
I agree with the majority on this thread...

It doesn't really matter who starts. Spurrier will use both, depending on the game's stituation.

IowaSkinsFan
09-08-2003, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by AGibbsGirl
OK, I'll be the bad guy, er, girl.

I was not all that impressed.
Call me spoiled, but I miss seeing a back plowing through defenders, guys hanging off his back and still gaining yards.

I saw plays where our guys were driven back and stopped on the run with no hope of that extra yard or two.

I like a big back with strength.

Someone tell me I'm wrong, and that we have that with Betts and Canidate, I'm ready to be persuaded.


Between Trung and Ladell, we average 4.6 per carry. That's nothing to hang your head over!

Patrick
09-08-2003, 07:21 AM
Moving the ball is the most important thing. Don't give a damn who is doing it as long as it GETTING DONE. Against the Jets we had pretty good sucess - wouldn't mess with it too much BUT would consider giving Chad a few carries too.

AGibbsGirl
09-08-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Green Is Good
Come on AGG. We ran better than we did with Stephen.

Hmmm..total ground yardage by all...160? I'd like for one back alone to get that.

camasterton
09-08-2003, 10:13 AM
Trung did not do anything deserving of being benched. Ladell ran well and dosn't need to start to have good game as we saw. What NCskins said about Trung's psychy is a valid. I don't want the team to fuel any doubt he may have. If he completly blows it then we move on but right now I like the set up. There are other things that need to be fixed before the RB depth chart.

IowaSkinsFan
09-08-2003, 10:16 AM
Originally posted by AGibbsGirl
Hmmm..total ground yardage by all...160? I'd like for one back alone to get that.

I think we all would, but that is highly unrealistic. To average 160 yards a game over a 16 game season would be over 2500 yards, something no back has every done and dare I say, ever will.

PennSkinsFan
09-08-2003, 10:24 AM
Why does ti matter if one back or several backs do it. 160 rushing yards is 160 urshing yards. I like the committee approach, each RB brings a diofferent style and different styles keep defenses thinking too much, which can cause error.

Hailyeah
09-08-2003, 10:58 AM
Again, Betts is clearly the better back. I don't know if a 2nd Round pick can be a diamond in the rough, but whatever, he's got ALL the tools. Also again, I don't by that Trung is more of a homerun threat. Ladell is football fast and tough. Trung is tentative.

AGG and Kenny, Stephen looked damned good yesterday from what I saw. I miss him also. He's still a Skin to me.

camasterton
09-08-2003, 11:25 AM
Thing about Stephen is he was no use to us if we were down late or needed a quick score. In other words, he was one dimentional and had his limitations, just like Trung but maybe not Ladell.
I was beating the keys for Ladell when most here wanted him traded but I still want the both of them to share time. It's a long, long season. I think Churchill said "fatigue makes cowards of us all". RBs wear down from all the hits. Fumbles and other mistakes then happen. Let's keep 'em fresh.

dukeuch
09-08-2003, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by camasterton
Thing about Stephen is he was no use to us if we were down late or needed a quick score. In other words, he was one dimentional and had his limitations, just like Trung but maybe not Ladell.
I was beating the keys for Ladell when most here wanted him traded but I still want the both of them to share time. It's a long, long season. I think Churchill said "fatigue makes cowards of us all". RBs wear down from all the hits. Fumbles and other mistakes then happen. Let's keep 'em fresh.

DIsagree about Davis. Still think that late in the game he had enough speed (along with ability to break tackles) to rip off a long one. Last year he was so stacked up due to our inability to pass, tough top measure what he has left. BUT: I thought both backs looked pretty good, but Ladell gets the nod. He's tough, and has pretty good speed.

Concerning the quote, shame on you, it was an ex-Redskin coach, Mr. Lombardi, I believe.

Patrick
09-08-2003, 11:57 AM
Feature Back vs. BackField by committee.

Davis: 111
Betts / Canidate: 123

You decide!

dj_stouty
09-08-2003, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by AGibbsGirl
Hmmm..total ground yardage by all...160? I'd like for one back alone to get that.

How about 160 running backs getting a yard a piece? :D

Just kidding! ;)

camasterton
09-08-2003, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by dukeuch


Concerning the quote, shame on you, it was an ex-Redskin coach, Mr. Lombardi, I believe.
DOOOH!

Chief Seeway
09-08-2003, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by dj_stouty
How about 160 running backs getting a yard a piece? :D

Just kidding! ;)

Fantastic! :D :D :D :D :D

Skinsfan1906
09-08-2003, 04:15 PM
Betts (although Trung didn't play bad). Both averaged over 4ypc, but Betts looked more impressive doing it.

WRSK1NS
09-08-2003, 08:57 PM
Betts had 18 carries for 77 yards = 4.3 yards/carry
Trung had 10 carries for 46 yards = 4.6 yards/carry

Running back by committee worked well, but it looks like to me with these numbers either one who is called on could handle the job. RB by committee should keep them fresh and that should help wear down the Defense

rskinsfan10
09-08-2003, 10:26 PM
Although not quite ready to jump on the Betts bandwagon, I always have favored backs that attack and hit the hole over those that dance around looking for the homerun. I think that the commitee approach will last awile longer, but eventually one of them will distinguish himself as the clear leader and the carries will reflect the winner.

Hailyeah, I kept an eye on my boy yesterday. I hope that he keeps it up.

AGibbsGirl
09-09-2003, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by robert11273
I think we all would, but that is highly unrealistic. To average 160 yards a game over a 16 game season would be over 2500 yards, something no back has every done and dare I say, ever will.


I'm not an idiot! (lol)
not 160 yards in every game although that would be nice...but obviously a 160 yard game by one back is not out of the question. The greats have done it, Payton, Sanders, Dickerson, most recently Dillon from Cinn. , anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing what these guys can do.

jsarno
09-09-2003, 12:16 PM
you know...something needs to be said for the blocking that was done. BOTH backs had nice big holes...we havent been able to say that for quite some time.

Patrick
09-09-2003, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by jsarno
you know...something needs to be said for the blocking that was done. BOTH backs had nice big holes...we havent been able to say that for quite some time.

Good Point !!! AND wait till our O-Line begins to jell.

jsarno
09-09-2003, 12:43 PM
Originally posted by Patrick
Good Point !!! AND wait till our O-Line begins to jell.
NO KIDDING! Truly can't wait for that. When they start protecting Ramsey more...our offense will sky rocket.