Throw at Smoot

[Minnesota Mike]

How many times did Green throw the ball to Smoot's side of the field? It seemed like on almost every pass play for the 'phins Smoot was in the frame. To me it seemed like he was being targeted by Miami and rightly so, he was often fooled by the WR and out of position (Thank goodness Miami dropped so many balls). He'd better step it up and play better or it's going to be a tough season.

[MikeBass]

How many times did Green throw the ball to Smoot's side of the field? It seemed like on almost every pass play for the 'phins Smoot was in the frame. To me it seemed like he was being targeted by Miami and rightly so, he was often fooled by the WR and out of position (Thank goodness Miami dropped so many balls). He'd better step it up and play better or it's going to be a tough season.

Agreed, if Smoot and Rogers do not pick up their games we may be in trouble in our pass defense. I hate to see us use ST the way that we did last season but if they do not improve I can see him trying to play all over the field again.

[Sonoma]

We won who cares???? Smoot made some nice plays

[frankez99]

Being the first game of the season, I'm willing to give them a mulligan.....hopefully the 10 yard cushions and cement-hands go away.

That being said, it was INEXCUSABLE for Smoot to drop that int that would have sealed the game (most likely). That just shows that he isn't a primetime player.

I N E X C U S A B L E !

[meloveskinslongtime]

why did it seem like rogers and smoot were starting and springs was the nickle???

[ncthompson11]

that dropped INT was huge and he didnt even need to run it back, just catch it and we are in FG range. Good thing it didnt cost us the game.

[MikeBass]

why did it seem like rogers and smoot were starting and springs was the nickle???

Because every pass was thrown at them

[CarMike]

Who cares? I care and i'm sure our coaches care. If we want to win regularly and go deep into the playoffs, we need better CB play from both of those guys.

[youngestson]

why did it seem like rogers and smoot were starting and springs was the nickle???


Because that was what happened on many short yardage downs. I don't know why. Springs does everything well.

Smoot got beat, but he also put himself in position for some big plays (hang on to that ball Smoooooty) and Rodgers actually came up closer to the WR then was his habit last year. His stop on short and goal was a nice react and tackle.

It is more than liklely that Sean and Laron will start comming in on third and long as the season goes on.

[RicFlairOne]

Rogers = Bust I do not think he has improved at all.

Smoot still has a hangover from Minny. If Springs goes down, the DB's are in sad shape again. At least the LB's have improved from a year ago!

[SkinsASchamps]

yeah, smoot stunk but what kind of coaching is it to keep going with a coverage scheme that wasnt working. Who plays smoot on chambers and sticks with it after it wasnt working? GW needs to come up with a new gameplan or else the eagles will crush us. Smoot flat out isnt talented enough to cover a number one WR. remember him covering Steve Smith? ouch. Chambers isnt even close to smith. I hope the coaches realize this soon.

[jaylen]

Springs said on the post game show that he was informed right before kickoff that he was gonna be the 3rd corner the nickel.

Now why in the hell would we take our best cover guy and make him the 3rd corner and watch all day as Smoot is picked apart and Rogers gets picked on late.

Springs has gotten in the doghouse Lavar style somehow and it doesn't make any sense he was laughing saying he only played 12 plays or so.

Pathetic. We got a team good enough to win why let suspect corner play ruin it simply keeping the best guy off the field.

Someone needs to answer for this.

[BigCountry]

We're going to get shreaded next week if they don't find some kind of solution to this or Rogers and Smoot don't improve. If we have to roll Taylor over to their side on 3rd downs or obvious passing plays then so be it. Smoot and Rogers almost lost this game by themselves and that's not a recipie for a winning season. They need to quit playing like a couple of bums and earn their damn paychecks cause what I saw today was appauling.

[LATrueRedskin]

Why the heck was Springs the nickel corner? Smoot's cushion was almost unbearable to watch, let alone his dropped INT that would have been easily returned for 6. These guys better learn how to catch these QB mistakes. It's not funny anymore.

[shally]

How many times did Green throw the ball to Smoot's side of the field? It seemed like on almost every pass play for the 'phins Smoot was in the frame. To me it seemed like he was being targeted by Miami and rightly so, he was often fooled by the WR and out of position (Thank goodness Miami dropped so many balls). He'd better step it up and play better or it's going to be a tough season.

they went after rogers even more, i thought..

looks like he caught whatever rogers had last year.. how does he drop that int ??

[shally]

Springs said on the post game show that he was informed right before kickoff that he was gonna be the 3rd corner the nickel.

Now why in the hell would we take our best cover guy and make him the 3rd corner and watch all day as Smoot is picked apart and Rogers gets picked on late.

Springs has gotten in the doghouse Lavar style somehow and it doesn't make any sense he was laughing saying he only played 12 plays or so.

Pathetic. We got a team good enough to win why let suspect corner play ruin it simply keeping the best guy off the field.

Someone needs to answer for this.

they said they were going to rotate all 3.. but springs is clearly the best..

this might be due to them trying to keep springs healthy and limit his contact ??

[JasonCampbell]

Springs said on the post game show that he was informed right before kickoff that he was gonna be the 3rd corner the nickel.

I can't fathom this. Springs isn't a shut down corner like Bailey, but when he's healthy, he is pretty darn close to one. I really want to hear why GW went with this.

[shally]

I can't fathom this. Springs isn't a shut down corner like Bailey, but when he's healthy, he is pretty darn close to one. I really want to hear why GW went with this.

in the preseason they said they considered all 3 corners first teamers and would rotate them all season..
i expect we will see more and more of springs..

[RedskinRyan]

Who cares? I care and i'm sure our coaches care. If we want to win regularly and go deep into the playoffs, we need better CB play from both of those guys.

exactly why we should care

[JasonCampbell]

in the preseason they said they considered all 3 corners first teamers and would rotate them all season..
i expect we will see more and more of springs..

Well, that is just moronic then. Springs is clearly the best cover corner we have. He should always be starting. I dunno who is better between Smoot and Rogers. Let them rotate week to week, I don't care. But Springs should get out there until he inevitably gets injured.

[shally]

exactly why we should care

we will see all 3.. smoot got banged up a bit on a hard tackle.. believe me, there will be plenty of opportunities for springs all season..

[shally]

Well, that is just moronic then. Springs is clearly the best cover corner we have. He should always be starting. I dunno who is better between Smoot and Rogers. Let them rotate week to week, I don't care. But Springs should get out there until he inevitably gets injured.

you last sentence says everything.. i think springs has a limited number of hits left in his body.. i believe they are pacing him

[JasonCampbell]

you last sentence says everything.. i think springs has a limited number of hits left in his body.. i believe they are pacing him

Well, if that is the case we should have made more of an effort to move him in the off-season. We shouldn't be paying him as a #1 corner and limiting his playing time to avoid an injury. It would be different if he was just coming off an injury, but as far as I know, he's 100% healthy.

[shally]

Well, if that is the case we should have made more of an effort to move him in the off-season. We shouldn't be paying him as a #1 corner and limiting his playing time to avoid an injury. It would be different if he was just coming off an injury, but as far as I know, he's 100% healthy.

he was a bit gimpy and didnt play inthe last preseason game.

and williams stressed the need for 3 corners.. actually 4 with macklin.
who knows what we could have gotten for springs anyway.

it is a long season. we will see a lot of sprngs...

[RedskinRyan]

you last sentence says everything.. i think springs has a limited number of hits left in his body.. i believe they are pacing him

haha, anybody notice that he tackled chatman, and chatman was the one who got injured on the play?

[shally]

haha, anybody notice that he tackled chatman, and chatman was the one who got injured on the play?

exactly !! springs hits hard.. and he is easily the best blitzing corner we have on the roster..

we will see him, that wont be a problem..we have another 15 games to play..

[nicefellow31]

we will see all 3.. smoot got banged up a bit on a hard tackle.. believe me, there will be plenty of opportunities for springs all season..

Yes. Inspite of giving up the big cushion, Smoot was very physical in run support.

[JasonCampbell]

Yes. Inspite of giving up the big cushion, Smoot was very physical in run support.

I think all three corners are great at tackling (Rogers had a big open field tackle in the second half to force MIA to kick a short FG). It is just that Smoot and Rogers give HUGE cushions to WRs. Plus, Rogers and it appears Smoot can't catch a cold.

[shally]

Yes. Inspite of giving up the big cushion, Smoot was very physical in run support.

if if if.... if he had only held onto that last possible int people would be talking about him in nothing but positive terms.

overall, i was happy with his performance.. on balance, more so than rogers, who looked lost at times..

[shally]

I think all three corners are great at tackling (Rogers had a big open field tackle in the second half to force MIA to kick a short FG). It is just that Smoot and Rogers give HUGE cushions to WRs. Plus, Rogers and it appears Smoot can't catch a cold.

as the announcers said, if they could catch the ball they would be receivers and not corners..
but smoot does not have stone hands, so i dont think we are going to see a lot more of that this year...

[828791Redskins]

why did it seem like rogers and smoot were starting and springs was the nickle???

Because that's exactly what was going on.

[Slobberknocker]

Because that's exactly what was going on.

The real question is why. I love having Smoot home but I did not expect to see him get abused. They were going after him on nearly every play.

[Battle Cat]

We gave up 13 points. Should have been 9 if the Miami coach had a concious and kicked the field goal at the end fo the first half instead of going for the td. But at any rate we gave up 13 points. Anything under 17 I can deal with under 14 great defense in my humble opinion. The Dolphins have to throw at someone I didnt expect them not to complete one pass. Passes were going to be completed on someone lol. The defensive backfield played very well imo. Again we gave up 13 points.

[828791Redskins]

[QUOTE=Battle Cat;1002816]We gave up 13 points. Should have been 9 if the Miami coach had a concious and kicked the field goal at the end fo the first half instead of going for the td. But at any rate we gave up 13 points. Anything under 17 I can deal with under 14 great defense in my humble opinion. The Dolphins have to throw at someone I didnt expect them not to complete one pass. Passes were going to be completed on someone lol. The defensive backfield played very well imo. Again we gave up 13 points.[/QUOTE

But we're lucky we didn't give up 20, the phins dropped a lot of balls. It should get better as Springs gets more time. And remember this offense wasn't supposed to be any type of powerhouse either.

[guess88]

Do you all think Rogers really did that bad? If they were picking on Smoot, doesn't that mean Rogers had his man covered? As far as I'm concerned, the less you hear a corners name, the better he is doing.

[redskin_rich]

Why was Smoot playing over Springs?

Until that question is answered, there is nothing else to discuss here.

[Syllable]

Why the heck was Springs the nickel corner? Smoot's cushion was almost unbearable to watch, let alone his dropped INT that would have been easily returned for 6. These guys better learn how to catch these QB mistakes. It's not funny anymore.

This Cushion thing looks like it's more Coaching than the Players. When we start to play Man to man(which I think our cbs can), we will become a more dominant defense.

Has anyone noticed that once Green noticed that we don't defend the curl and the short routes, that we got abused.

[nicefellow31]

if if if.... if he had only held onto that last possible int people would be talking about him in nothing but positive terms.

overall, i was happy with his performance.. on balance, more so than rogers, who looked lost at times..

I agree with you 100% Shally

[smoak]

Smoot really needs to step up his game. It was one of the worst I've seen from him.

[skinsfaninva]

i'm not sure why everyone is so down on Rogers. Is he a Champ Bailey, no. But he is a solid young corner. He is solid in run support and rarely misses tackles.

Now today, it looked as if the Dolphins were picking on Smoot because Chambers had Smoot all turned around all the time.

As for Springs, I am not sure why he was played at the nickel. Maybe it was to limit is chances for injury, maybe he is in the doghouse, or maybe GW wants his most experienced CB as his nickel. I remember when Smoot was a rookie and Bailey was in his 2nd year and Darrell Green was still playing that Green was the nickel and the reasoning was that the nickel position required a smarter more experience corner.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Why was Smoot playing over Springs?

Until that question is answered, there is nothing else to discuss here.

There has to be a story there. Now we have to wait to see if it comes out. I know Springs had that injury in the preseason, but he was flying around today when he was in, so I don't think he was feeling any pain today.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

By the way this cushion issue is not new this year. This is an ongoing problem for this team. We never jam the receiver at the line or play bump and run.

I'm not sure why.

[Hr fan]

[/QUOTE]But we're lucky we didn't give up 20, the phins dropped a lot of balls. It should get better as Springs gets more time. And remember this offense wasn't supposed to be any type of powerhouse either.[/QUOTE]

So did we, and Moss and ARE were further downfield than the phins.

[Brokenstriker]

At least Smoot attempted to defend against the pass. Rogers on the other hand ... played AWFUL! He still doesn't attempt to defend against the pass ...

He never reacts to the ball
He never looks for the ball
He never turns his head to find the ball
He consistently gives the biggest cushion off the line of scrimmage I have ever seen

The man is a free-pass to a reception ... at best he makes the tackle afterwards.

Next week ... start Springs and Smoot ... and bring Macklin as the nickle ... send a freaking message to Mr. Rogers.

[Brokenstriker]

i'm not sure why everyone is so down on Rogers. Is he a Champ Bailey, no. But he is a solid young corner. He is solid in run support and rarely misses tackles.

Smoot is solid in run support ... Jimoh was solid in run support. The problem is that Rogers does not defend against the reception. He's like an over-paid escort for the receiver ... watches the catch and then tried to make the tackle.

See above. Text book Rogers in "coverage" ... eyes on WR ... back up 10 yards before snap ... eyes on WR ... watch WR run route ... watch the WR as the WR catches the ball ... never ever take eyes off of the WR ... wonder where the heck the ball came from (usually right over his head) ... tackle WR (or not ... to be fair most of the time he makes the tackle).

Rogers is frequently in position to defend against the reception or dare I say it ... catch the ball. The problem is that he NEVER looks for the ball, and never sees the ball until the WR is trying to catch it. He eyes are LOCKED on the WR's face. If he would only look for the ball he could bat it down ... or intercept it ... you know ... the kinds of things a coverage CB does on a regular basis.

[shally]

At least Smoot attempted to defend against the pass. Rogers on the other hand ... played AWFUL! He still doesn't attempt to defend against the pass ...

He never reacts to the ball
He never looks for the ball
He never turns his head to find the ball
He consistently gives the biggest cushion off the line of scrimmage I have ever seen

The man is a free-pass to a reception ... at best he makes the tackle afterwards.

Next week ... start Springs and Smoot ... and bring Macklin as the nickle ... send a freaking message to Mr. Rogers.

torrence is ahead of macklin .. that is your #4 corner right now

[Brokenstriker]

lol ... ok Torrence as the Nickle

(more on Rogers in coverage ... yeah he has missed a number of interceptions ... in front of him. Book on Rogers is get him to turn his back on the line of scrimmage and at worst its an incomplete ... he won't make a play on the ball (since he has no idea where it is), the WR is free to try to catch it. Only three outcomes possible if you throw deep on Rogers ... catch, incomplete, pass interference.)

[Battle Cat]

I have one thing to say in defense of Greg Williams Smoot and in part Rogers. I don't think G Williams or any other defensive coordinator had any idea what the dolphins were actually going to run for an offense yesterday. Cam Cameron ran Marty ball in San Diego but argued with Marty over opening the offense up. The offense yesterday didn't look like Marty ball or a derivative of Marty ball. Trent Green, mostly all the tape on him is Trent Green running Al Saunders offense. The offense yesterday did not look like Al Saunders offense. I think the Dolphins started out like G Williams thought but then switched up their game plan and when they switched G Williams emergency reflex is to always go to the cover 2 which Smoot or Rogers are not very good at. The defense still should have been better but I think not having any idea what to expect played a major part.

[colkurtz]

With little pass rush the corners will always look bad.

IMO they are preserving Springs with this rotation and trying to get him through an entire season.

There is a reason we let Smoot go to the Vikings and why they dumped him. People just assumed that he would go back to his good season in 2004. It is 2007 now and he's not playing #2 next to a younger Shawn Springs.

[Santheb]

I agree with shally, I think they're just trying to preserve Springs. Maybe they're going to start him against teams with higher caliber wide receivers than Miami? When we roll into Dallas, I fully expect that it'll be Springs on TO and not Smoot or Rogers.

[jaylen]

I've just never heard of a situation where a team is SAVING its best corner trying to keep him fresh while getting torched during a game.

Thats a ridiculous notion if true, which I have a hard time believing. I think Springs has an issue with someone behind the scene's and was punished because of it. Smacks of a Lavar situation.

We'll see how far this lunacy goes.

Rogers is a bust, he's scared out there, never breaks on the ball, can't catch and lacks speed.

[RedHokieSkin]

I've just never heard of a situation where a team is SAVING its best corner trying to keep him fresh while getting torched during a game.

Thats a ridiculous notion if true, which I have a hard time believing. I think Springs has an issue with someone behind the scene's and was punished because of it. Smacks of a Lavar situation.

We'll see how far this lunacy goes.

I think it makes perfect sense. Miami's WRs are not known for being all that dangerous and there new Offense was unproven. We were confident that we could stop their run game and that Smoot & Rogers would be enough to slow their passing game. Limiting Springs action would save your best (and injury prone) cover CB from getting hurt. Did anyone have a lot of respect for Mami's O coming into this game?

I'm not saying that GW should not take them seriously, but until Miami proved they could throw the ball, I think holding out Springs was wise. Notice we started hearing his name more late in the game. Did GW decide to get him back out there more when we knew there was a chance we could lose? It seems that way.

[garedskin]

Smoot and Rogers where playing off 5-7 yards almost evey play.
It is by design.GW wanted the fins to throw the short passes all day long.
The CBs had to make sure tackles and the OLBs where also rolling out quickly to help make the tackle as well.
It was frustrating to watch until I started to think about why we where doing this.It forces the other teams to keep playing mistake free ball to sustain long drives.The fins couldnt do it for the most part.
It seemed to me that when Springs came on the field that he had a better burst to the ball than either Smoot or Rogers.Which is why he fits perfectly into GW scheme.:Peace:

[Sweepea436]

Maybe it was Smoot and Rogers fatheads................. :) Seriously though - as it was said before, we need this defensive secondary to make up for any shortcomings the D-line may prove to have........ They didn't do well yesterday. We gave the rest of the league a blueprint on how to pass all over us.

[skinsfoeva]

id pick smoot over rogers, rogers hasnt lived up to expectations at all since he's been on the team, smoot atleast had some reason to cheer yesterday

[jaylen]

I think it makes perfect sense. Miami's WRs are not known for being all that dangerous and there new Offense was unproven. We were confident that we could stop their run game and that Smoot & Rogers would be enough to slow their passing game. Limiting Springs action would save your best (and injury prone) cover CB from getting hurt. Did anyone have a lot of respect for Mami's O coming into this game?

I'm not saying that GW should not take them seriously, but until Miami proved they could throw the ball, I think holding out Springs was wise. Notice we started hearing his name more late in the game. Did GW decide to get him back out there more when we knew there was a chance we could lose? It seems that way.

Now I fully grasp the argument here and it makes sense in a clinical way BUT I've not seen something like this in my 30+ years of watching the NFL where a team purposely decides to not use its best coverage corner best by far when the other team is eating you up almost to the point of victory. One more bad coverage and that last fg the Fins got is a td and all this is done to supposedly keep a better coverage guy healthy.

I just fail to buy into that argument because I simply hasn't seen that sorta thinking before in the league. Now if the coach has so much confidence in Rogers and Smoot then fall back on them if Springs goes down but don't cripple the teams chance to win.

And that almost happened yesterday.

[Syllable]

Why was Smoot playing over Springs?

Until that question is answered, there is nothing else to discuss here.

Does it make a difference who we play at CB? Unless we have someone with ungodly breaking speed and the the fastest reaction time in the nfl, no one can catch up to the short routes with the cushion the coaches are telling the players to give.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Was Macklin inactive on Sunday? If so, they may want to reconsider that situation and sit Smoot. Rogers was only slightly better.

[Syllable]

Was Macklin inactive on Sunday? If so, they may want to reconsider that situation and sit Smoot. Rogers was only slightly better.

You cannot stop short passes when the coaches put you in a 10 yard cushion

Are there any other ways to emphasize this?

[IowaSkinsFan]

You cannot stop short passes when the coaches put you in a 10 yard cushion

Are there any other ways to emphasize this?

Did you see Rogers get beat on that deep sideline pattern late in the 4th quarter on the drive that Miami tied it up? What's you're excuse for that? You can't stop deep passes when the coaches put you in bump and run?

[HAWGZHEAD]

lol ... ok Torrence as the Nickle

(more on Rogers in coverage ... yeah he has missed a number of interceptions ... in front of him. Book on Rogers is get him to turn his back on the line of scrimmage and at worst its an incomplete ... he won't make a play on the ball (since he has no idea where it is), the WR is free to try to catch it. Only three outcomes possible if you throw deep on Rogers ... catch, incomplete, pass interference.)
Nailed it...

[themightyjoegibbs]

I've just never heard of a situation where a team is SAVING its best corner trying to keep him fresh while getting torched during a game.

Thats a ridiculous notion if true, which I have a hard time believing. I think Springs has an issue with someone behind the scene's and was punished because of it. Smacks of a Lavar situation.

We'll see how far this lunacy goes.

Rogers is a bust, he's scared out there, never breaks on the ball, can't catch and lacks speed.

I agree, no team saves a player that is game ready not even the Genius of GWilliams and all his schemes he has planned. This seems more of a show and prove situation. Time to show what you bring and prove what your about to this team. That decision was made months ago but Springs told the team the MONEY WAS NON-REFUNDABLE SEE YOU WHENEVER I DECIDE TO SHOW UP....UnAnnounced at that.

The Miami game burst my bubble that our secondary evolved tremendously after bringing in Macklin,Smoot, and the healthy return of Springs.

I don't know who embarassed themselves more Smoot or Rogers. How many times was Smoot picked on in a row 7?

I can't watch us surrender such a cushion every pass play. We allowed this to happen against Brad Johnson last year and he picked away at us like Trent did. Even Chris Simms was allowed to rifle off completions back in '05. This approach is horrible to watch.

Why have Smoot/Rogers and crew if we can't be in a WR's face and force them to air it out. Teams might think they have no game plan if Taylor decapitates their best WR's for testing him long. That philosphy might work in practice but other teams have accurate "Capable" veterans who exploit that. That plays right into their hands. Sure it denies an instant TD but our Defense is on the field longer and most likely our Offense is struggling to score so why not press and go for denial?

Step your game up GWilliams...Smoot/Rogers... it seems Springs is a $5 million man modeling Reebok jerseys on the sideline.

[shally]

are people being too hard on smoot ? i think maybe so.

i just went to a site that has a lot of info on the subject..www.postgameheroes.com great breakdown

in short, smoot was targetted 15 times (LORD, that is a lot )
of those 15 passes
2 resulted in completions of 13 and 14 yards..nothing longer !!
1 was a 5 yard pass interference call
4 were completed for under 10 yards
8 RESULTED IN ZERO, THAT IS ZERO, YARDS

now that includes the drops, but still, not bad for your number 2 or 3 corner playing instead of the number 1

how do you get mad at a guy who still played the run well and gave up no
huge plays or TD's ?

my impression all day as i watched it was that smoot was being grilled but was holding up decently. after looking at these numbers, respectfully, i think
smoot did as well or better than could be asked.. and, covering chambers is no walk in the park

anybody else re thinking this issue ??

[JsMaViSd]

u guys also got to remember, at least made himself in position to get a turnover, as to the other corners, they dont...

9/10 times smoot goes away with that INT, that just happened to be the 1/10

[joethefan]

True, at least smoot put himself in position to make a play on the ball......

I'll preach this all season ifI have to....let's cut our ties with rogers and get back to Springs and Smoot starting and letting Rogers be the nickel....

[shally]

True, at least smoot put himself in position to make a play on the ball......

I'll preach this all season ifI have to....let's cut our ties with rogers and get back to Springs and Smoot starting and letting Rogers be the nickel....

i will say this much right now..if we get through the philly game with nothing longer than a 15 yard pass completion on the defense,i would be ecstatic.. and i bet williams would take that as well

[MikeBass]

i will say this much right now..if we get through the philly game with nothing longer than a 15 yard pass completion on the defense,i would be ecstatic.. and i bet williams would take that as well

I'll second that emotion, If we did not get any pressure on the QB and still did not allow anything long we may have something going on D in games when the line decides to show up... last Sunday, I do not think that we played as aggresively with our safeties and lb's as we are going to play when things start to come together and our defense start to become cohesive.

[Keino]

are people being too hard on smoot ? i think maybe so.

i just went to a site that has a lot of info on the subject..www.postgameheroes.com great breakdown

in short, smoot was targetted 15 times (LORD, that is a lot )
of those 15 passes
2 resulted in completions of 13 and 14 yards..nothing longer !!
1 was a 5 yard pass interference call
4 were completed for under 10 yards
8 RESULTED IN ZERO, THAT IS ZERO, YARDS

now that includes the drops, but still, not bad for your number 2 or 3 corner playing instead of the number 1

how do you get mad at a guy who still played the run well and gave up no
huge plays or TD's ?

my impression all day as i watched it was that smoot was being grilled but was holding up decently. after looking at these numbers, respectfully, i think
smoot did as well or better than could be asked.. and, covering chambers is no walk in the park

anybody else re thinking this issue ??


The critical number isn't shown. How many of the 7 completions that had positive yardage resulted in a 1st down? How many of those on 3rd down when the defense was trying to get off the field?

No. Im not re-thinking the issue, because Springs should've been on Chambers all day.

[shally]

The critical number isn't shown. How many of the 7 completions that had positive yardage resulted in a 1st down? How many of those on 3rd down when the defense was trying to get off the field?

No. Im not re-thinking the issue, because Springs should've been on Chambers all day.
well,obviously, every one of the 0 yardage plays resulted in less than a first down.. and at least some of the others..so we are talking about a better than 50% average for smoot..not too shabby considering who he was matched up against

still, i fully agree that it should have been springs on chambers

[shally]

The critical number isn't shown. How many of the 7 completions that had positive yardage resulted in a 1st down? How many of those on 3rd down when the defense was trying to get off the field?

No. Im not re-thinking the issue, because Springs should've been on Chambers all day.


okay.. here is your sequential breakdown

yardage ----- first down ---- total first downs yielded

7 --- 0 --- 0 3rd down stop
13 --- 1 --- 1 first down yielded
8 --- 1 --- 2 first down yielded
8 -- 0 ---- 2
0 --- 0 -- 2
0 --- 0 -- 2 drop
14 --- 1 -- 3 first down yielded
0 --- 0 --- 3
0 --- 0 -- 3 overthrow
4 -- 0 --- 3
0 ----- 0 --- 3 drop
0 --- 0 - 3 overthrow
5 --- 1 --- 4 pass interference first down yielded
0 -- 0 --- 4 drop
0 -- 0 --- 4 smoot drops int


so there you have it. a total of 4/15 conversions on passes thrown at smoot including the PI call.

again, i say, not bad considering who he was matched up with all game

edit.. sorry if my table look cluttered. the spacing keeps getting messed up every time i post..

[Moe]

Great info Shally, certainly shines a new/different light on things. Considering Smoot is at best a rotational corner at this point (and more prototypically a nickel) going against Chambers, I agree that he didn't do too badly. The yardage given up on two of those first downs (13 and 14) would speak to the lack of pressure I think.

[shally]

Great info Shally, certainly shines a new/different light on things. Considering Smoot is at best a rotational corner at this point (and more prototypically a nickel) going against Chambers, I agree that he didn't do too badly. The yardage given up on two of those first downs (13 and 14) would speak to the lack of pressure I think.


while i was watching the game, i thought that smoot was actually playing better than rogers.. i know this is directly oppsed to what Akh said and i tended to think that i was mistaken in my impression.

on second look, and with the above info, i am being more charitable in my assessment of smoot..

granted, if all those drops were caught and if all the overthrows were accurate, it might have been a totally different outcome. sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. and maybe some of it was due to the scheme or something i wasnt picking up on..

[James F. Quinn]

I'll second that emotion, If we did not get any pressure on the QB and still did not allow anything long we may have something going on D in games when the line decides to show up... last Sunday, I do not think that we played as aggresively with our safeties and lb's as we are going to play when things start to come together and our defense start to become cohesive.

What? I though the DL was fine.

[openallnight]

while i was watching the game, i thought that smoot was actually playing better than rogers.. i know this is directly oppsed to what Akh said and i tended to think that i was mistaken in my impression.

on second look, and with the above info, i am being more charitable in my assessment of smoot..

granted, if all those drops were caught and if all the overthrows were accurate, it might have been a totally different outcome. sometimes it is better to be lucky than good. and maybe some of it was due to the scheme or something i wasnt picking up on..
From watching the nfl replay Smoot actually played better than my initial impression. Conversely Rogers played worse than my initial impression. Both got beat (Rogers on the deep pass to Chambers). But, Smoot made a couple of key tackles short of 1st downs. He actually defensed 3 or 4 passes as well. The one thing that was reaffirmed from my re-view was our lack of pressure on the QB. You can't let a QB at this level play 7 on 7 drills. You've got to get some pressure, make him move, at least get a push and impede his passing lanes. We did a poor job in that department.

[shally]

From watching the nfl replay Smoot actually played better than my initial impression. Conversely Rogers played worse than my initial impression. Both got beat (Rogers on the deep pass to Chambers). But, Smoot made a couple of key tackles short of 1st downs. He actually defensed 3 or 4 passes as well. The one thing that was reaffirmed from my re-view was our lack of pressure on the QB. You can't let a QB at this level play 7 on 7 drills. You've got to get some pressure, make him move, at least get a push and impede his passing lanes. We did a poor job in that department.


i totally agree with you.. the d line has to show up. it is as simple as that.

[chrisbcbu]

I dont know why all the hate for Rogers.

Granted he gave up a couple of plays. bad PI call. That was not PI in my book.

The TD well i couldnt really tell if he was covering him. Looked more like they were in a zone. But i blame the DL for not getting enough pressure.

he gave a up a huge play to Chambers, which he was flatout beat.

Other than that he made some nice tackles and have a TD saving tackle. he was covering the long play but someone blew the short coverage so he broke off and made the play on the 3 yard line.

yet he gets bashed. I think he was thrown at maybe 5 times the whole game. What about the other 33 passes they never came his way? How was his coverage?

[shally]

I dont know why all the hate for Rogers.

Granted he gave up a couple of plays. bad PI call. That was not PI in my book.

The TD well i couldnt really tell if he was covering him. Looked more like they were in a zone. But i blame the DL for not getting enough pressure.

he gave a up a huge play to Chambers, which he was flatout beat.

Other than that he made some nice tackles and have a TD saving tackle. he was covering the long play but someone blew the short coverage so he broke off and made the play on the 3 yard line.

yet he gets bashed. I think he was thrown at maybe 5 times the whole game. What about the other 33 passes they never came his way? How was his coverage?

i dont hate rogers... in fact, i love his physical play.. i am not going to talk about his hands because that is not an issue for this year (yet).

but he plays so far off of the receiver that he has no chance to do anything about preventing the pass. he just looks like he still has lost confidence--maybe that is the scheme. but he is a non factor in the pass defense thus far.

let's see what he does against the eagles because he will get tested

[SpicyMcHaggis]

From watching the nfl replay Smoot actually played better than my initial impression. Conversely Rogers played worse than my initial impression. Both got beat (Rogers on the deep pass to Chambers). But, Smoot made a couple of key tackles short of 1st downs. He actually defensed 3 or 4 passes as well. The one thing that was reaffirmed from my re-view was our lack of pressure on the QB. You can't let a QB at this level play 7 on 7 drills. You've got to get some pressure, make him move, at least get a push and impede his passing lanes. We did a poor job in that department.
This is madness!!!!

[dj_stouty]

are people being too hard on smoot ? i think maybe so.

i just went to a site that has a lot of info on the subject..www.postgameheroes.com (http://www.postgameheroes.com) great breakdown

in short, smoot was targetted 15 times (LORD, that is a lot )
of those 15 passes
2 resulted in completions of 13 and 14 yards..nothing longer !!
1 was a 5 yard pass interference call
4 were completed for under 10 yards
8 RESULTED IN ZERO, THAT IS ZERO, YARDS

now that includes the drops, but still, not bad for your number 2 or 3 corner playing instead of the number 1

how do you get mad at a guy who still played the run well and gave up no
huge plays or TD's ?

my impression all day as i watched it was that smoot was being grilled but was holding up decently. after looking at these numbers, respectfully, i think
smoot did as well or better than could be asked.. and, covering chambers is no walk in the park

anybody else re thinking this issue ??

Thanks Shally...I really enjoyed that site.

If you tally up the completions he gave up...it comes to approx. 15 targets with 6 receptions for less than 68 yards and 0 TDs. I'll tell you what, i'll take that every game from our most targed CB covering the team's WR1. Another stat that isn't mentioned; Smoot was attributed with (2) separate tackles on third down that forced a punt. That probably negates the 1 or 2 times he gave up a reception for a first down.

He wasn't as bad as everyone is letting on...

I get more pissed when my CBs get burned for TDs and forget how to tackle. I watched Rogers get credited with giving up one TD...and I saw him on one or two plays being hesitant bringing down the receiver.

[Keino]

okay.. here is your sequential breakdown

yardage ----- first down ---- total first downs yielded

7 --- 0 --- 0 3rd down stop
13 --- 1 --- 1 first down yielded
8 --- 1 --- 2 first down yielded
8 -- 0 ---- 2
0 --- 0 -- 2
0 --- 0 -- 2 drop
14 --- 1 -- 3 first down yielded
0 --- 0 --- 3
0 --- 0 -- 3 overthrow
4 -- 0 --- 3
0 ----- 0 --- 3 drop
0 --- 0 - 3 overthrow
5 --- 1 --- 4 pass interference first down yielded
0 -- 0 --- 4 drop
0 -- 0 --- 4 smoot drops int


so there you have it. a total of 4/15 conversions on passes thrown at smoot including the PI call.

again, i say, not bad considering who he was matched up with all game

edit.. sorry if my table look cluttered. the spacing keeps getting messed up every time i post..

So about 25% of the Dolphins' 1st down conversions came from throwing the ball at Smoot. 5 of the positive plays credited to Smoot came from overthrown balls and dropped balls. So, subtracting those plays from consideration, because I don't think he deserves credit for the ineptitude of his opponent, 4 of the 10 balls thrown at Smoot defended resulted in 1st downs (40%) and he only had one defense in which he stopped a 1st down (10%)and only one ball (10%) in which he got his hand on, and that was a dropped chance to seal the game.

I'd say that's awful.

Look, every CB gets burned here and there, that is the nature of the position. Thats not my issue. My issue is being so scared to get burnt deep that the cushion one gives surrenders 1st downs, and that is clearly what went on with Smoot on Sunday, and a few times he was turned around and looked foolish.

[redwolf1218]

we have a scary game coming up monday. i am thinking McNabb will throw it about 40 times.

[dj_stouty]

So about 25% of the Dolphins' 1st down conversions came from throwing the ball at Smoot.

He gave up 3 first downs on receptions...yet also made 2 tackles to force punts. Almost break-even.

As I mention in the above post, he yeilded less than 70 yards and 0 TDs while covering a WR1 on 15 targets. I'll take that every game....

[shally]

So about 25% of the Dolphins' 1st down conversions came from throwing the ball at Smoot. 5 of the positive plays credited to Smoot came from overthrown balls and dropped balls. So, subtracting those plays from consideration, because I don't think he deserves credit for the ineptitude of his opponent, 4 of the 10 balls thrown at Smoot defended resulted in 1st downs (40%) and he only had one defense in which he stopped a 1st down (10%)and only one ball (10%) in which he got his hand on, and that was a dropped chance to seal the game.

I'd say that's awful.

Look, every CB gets burned here and there, that is the nature of the position. Thats not my issue. My issue is being so scared to get burnt deep that the cushion one gives surrenders 1st downs, and that is clearly what went on with Smoot on Sunday, and a few times he was turned around and looked foolish.


again, i think you are being too harsh on smoot.. yes, there were drops and overthrows.. some of them were BECAUSE smoot, or taylor were in the vicinity of the receiver. we always tend to give taylor credit for receivers dropping balls when he is nearby. why not give smoot some love also, because he is physical as well (not nearly like taylor for certain)?

i tend to come down with DJ in his assessment. if your number 2 corner is holding his own against the opponents number 1 receiver and gives up NO bombs and NO TD's.. that is all you can realistically ask for.

that said, i want to see springs in as much as possible against the eagles

[shally]

Thanks Shally...I really enjoyed that site.

If you tally up the completions he gave up...it comes to approx. 15 targets with 6 receptions for less than 68 yards and 0 TDs. I'll tell you what, i'll take that every game from our most targed CB covering the team's WR1. Another stat that isn't mentioned; Smoot was attributed with (2) separate tackles on third down that forced a punt. That probably negates the 1 or 2 times he gave up a reception for a first down.

He wasn't as bad as everyone is letting on...

I get more pissed when my CBs get burned for TDs and forget how to tackle. I watched Rogers get credited with giving up one TD...and I saw him on one or two plays being hesitant bringing down the receiver.


it is a great site and DILLWEED is incredibly informative in his explanations of formations and review of images.. should be of interest to every redskin fan

[shally]

we have a scary game coming up monday. i am thinking McNabb will throw it about 40 times.

let mcnabb throw it 40 times.. if we can control westbrook's yardage on runs and receptions, i like our chances

[redwolf1218]

let mcnabb throw it 40 times.. if we can control westbrook's yardage on runs and receptions, i like our chances

yea that's what scares me, someone's gotta cover Westbrook. i hope Landry can get some hits on him to slow him down.

[shally]

yea that's what scares me, someone's gotta cover Westbrook. i hope Landry can get some hits on him to slow him down.

green bay had one of their linebackers on him at all times

i think landry would be even better suited for this job