Brandon Lloyd MUST Go

[smoak]

I never liked the guy one bit and today he pulled another coward BS move today. On the deep pass which admittedly wasn't the best throw in the world, not only did Lloyd appear to give up on the play, but he ABSOLUTELY gave up on the return. The DB took the ball out of the endzone and if it hadn't have been for a penalty would have gotten it to the 30-40 (not sure I was too busy staring daggers at Lloyd).

From our endzone seats (where the pick was thrown) you could see Lloyd trotting after the DB and really making no effort.

He is one of the few Redskins I think I've ever hated, and I am really trying NOT to hate the guy. I want him to live to potential, but frankly, I think it is nearing time to end this experiment.

[PennSkinsFan]

Bryan my man, I am with ya!

[smoak]

Bryan my man, I am with ya!

He FRIGGIN walked (maybe trotted). I was so furious. Its one thing to make a mistake (Moss and ARE both dropped some key passes today), but play with some FLIPPING heart and pride. I am fat, ugly, and out of shape, but I would love to practice one day against Lloyd. I'd beat the ever loving snot out of him.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I never liked the guy one bit and today he pulled another coward BS move today. On the deep pass which admittedly wasn't the best throw in the world, not only did Lloyd appear to give up on the play, but he ABSOLUTELY gave up on the return. The DB took the ball out of the endzone and if it hadn't have been for a penalty would have gotten it to the 30-40 (not sure I was too busy staring daggers at Lloyd).

From our endzone seats (where the pick was thrown) you could see Lloyd trotting after the DB and really making no effort.

He is one of the few Redskins I think I've ever hated, and I am really trying NOT to hate the guy. I want him to live to potential, but frankly, I think it is nearing time to end this experiment.
i agree on all points, 200%. that play really irked me.

[skinsfaninva]

I didn't see the return, but I can tell you that had it been Moss or Randle El it would have been a TD. The Skins have run that play quite a bit with success. The WR jumps in front of the CB to catch the ball. I believe that it is a designed play. So that pick is more on B. Lloyd and not Jason.

[828791Redskins]

I never liked the guy one bit and today he pulled another coward BS move today. On the deep pass which admittedly wasn't the best throw in the world, not only did Lloyd appear to give up on the play, but he ABSOLUTELY gave up on the return. The DB took the ball out of the endzone and if it hadn't have been for a penalty would have gotten it to the 30-40 (not sure I was too busy staring daggers at Lloyd).

From our endzone seats (where the pick was thrown) you could see Lloyd trotting after the DB and really making no effort.

He is one of the few Redskins I think I've ever hated, and I am really trying NOT to hate the guy. I want him to live to potential, but frankly, I think it is nearing time to end this experiment.

On tv it looked like he could have knocked the ball away. But he proved he's gutless when he just trotted after the cb, like a fairy.

[smoak]

i agree on all points, 200%. that played really irked me.


I do not like feeling this way after a win, but I really want to rip his head off. I really hope he never sees the field agains and he shouldn't.

PLUS!!! I was trying so hard to give him the benefit of the doubt that this would be a 360 year for him. He is a gutless wonder and I am fuming...

Ugh.... I should go take a shower (not b/c of this but b/c of the burning heat we experienced all day).

[shally]

I never liked the guy one bit and today he pulled another coward BS move today. On the deep pass which admittedly wasn't the best throw in the world, not only did Lloyd appear to give up on the play, but he ABSOLUTELY gave up on the return. The DB took the ball out of the endzone and if it hadn't have been for a penalty would have gotten it to the 30-40 (not sure I was too busy staring daggers at Lloyd).

From our endzone seats (where the pick was thrown) you could see Lloyd trotting after the DB and really making no effort.

He is one of the few Redskins I think I've ever hated, and I am really trying NOT to hate the guy. I want him to live to potential, but frankly, I think it is nearing time to end this experiment.

i am with you. he gave up on the pass that resulted in the int. he was in front of the defender and let the ball go through him. then, as you say, he loafed on the return

bring in caldwell and gabriel and mccardell this week.. time to look for a receiver who really wants to play

honestly, i dont think that even PINKSTON would have been that bad..

[LATrueRedskin]

I noticed his lack of effort as well, but chalked it up to having a blocker in front of him. Either way, the guy is non-existent right now.

[Slobberknocker]

I still give the guy a couple games. Then: :guillo:

[The Skinsinator]

Yes he does. Cut him and do it now. I said the exact same thing after that play. Cut him and maybe try to get someone else. He is more of a liability than an asset and I also try not to detest current players.

[Slobberknocker]

Anybody know why Reche Caldwell hasn't gotten picked up? Just wondering if his arms fell off or something.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I do not like feeling this way after a win, but I really want to rip his head off. I really hope he never sees the field agains and he shouldn't.

PLUS!!! I was trying so hard to give him the benefit of the doubt that this would be a 360 year for him. He is a gutless wonder and I am fuming...

Ugh.... I should go take a shower (not b/c of this but b/c of the burning heat we experienced all day).
lol, once again, i agree on all points. including the burning heat. :doh:

[NCskinsfanatic]

He didnt adjust to the ball in the air and gave up position without much fight. he then proceeded to trot behind the defender half speed...if that fast. Whats that about Blloyd, really do you wanna play football or not... he's gotta be gone this offseason but we will need 2-3 more Wrs for this team by then.

[Lavar703]

I know he has sucked, but its too early to cut him. Not because he doesnt deserved to be cut, but because we gave up to much, to just give up on him now, its unfortunate, because Im sure our front office was warned about him.

[shally]

Anybody know why Reche Caldwell hasn't gotten picked up? Just wondering if his arms fell off or something.

his eyes are so big they cannot find a helmet large enough to contain them ??


:bigeyes:

[smoak]

I know he has sucked, but its too early to cut him. Not because he doesnt deserved to be cut, but because we gave up to much, to just give up on him now, its unfortunate, because Im sure our front office was warned about him.

Fine, make him inactive. He really has added zero value in his time wearing the burgundy and gold....

Actually, no, he has added NEGATIVE value.

JERK (him not you).

[smoak]

I still give the guy a couple games. Then: :guillo:

OOOOH!!! I like that thought. Thanks for cheering me up. :D

(You did mean that literally, right??)

[Slobberknocker]

Fine, make him inactive. He really has added zero value in his time wearing the burgundy and gold....

Actually, no, he has added NEGATIVE value.

JERK (him not you).

Well, if he's inactive then we're left with Thrash and Bodiford.

[smoak]

Well, if he's inactive then we're left with Thrash and Bodiford.

GREAT! My mother could have done what Lloyd did after the pick that was oh BTW apparently his fault to begin with...

Ok, I am not coming back here b/c I am monopolizing the thread with my venom (and there is plenty more).

[NCskinsfanatic]

Lloyd makes me miss Taylor jacobs...now thats :(

[shally]

Lloyd makes me miss Taylor jacobs...now thats :(

at least everybody liked jacobs and he practiced hard

really a pity that espy got hurt...

[CarMike]

I never liked the guy one bit and today he pulled another coward BS move today. On the deep pass which admittedly wasn't the best throw in the world, not only did Lloyd appear to give up on the play, but he ABSOLUTELY gave up on the return. The DB took the ball out of the endzone and if it hadn't have been for a penalty would have gotten it to the 30-40 (not sure I was too busy staring daggers at Lloyd).

From our endzone seats (where the pick was thrown) you could see Lloyd trotting after the DB and really making no effort.

He is one of the few Redskins I think I've ever hated, and I am really trying NOT to hate the guy. I want him to live to potential, but frankly, I think it is nearing time to end this experiment.

Same can be said to Rogers as well. He gave up a first down on a 3rd and long. Once it was completed he didn't try to make the tackle and he had a big smile on his face. If not for Rocky, Chambers would have gained another 10-20 yards.

[Slobberknocker]

really a pity that espy got hurt...

What a HUGE opportunity wasted -- for him and BLoyd. But don't go pining for Jacobs. Be careful what you ask for.:doh:

[Slobberknocker]

Same can be said to Rogers as well. He gave up a first down on a 3rd and long. Once it was completed he didn't try to make the tackle and he had a big smile on his face. If not for Rocky, Chambers would have gained another 10-20 yards.

Yeah, but he had a tackle near the goalline that saved a touchdown. He runs hot and cold. We need him to close the cushion and step up his play on a regular basis.

[shally]

What a HUGE opportunity wasted -- for him and BLoyd. But don't go pining for Jacobs. Be careful what you ask for.:doh:

no worry.. the niners love him...

maybe boddiford is well enough to get some reps ? that is a tough kid from every thing i have read..

[Biggie]

Show that gutless coward the door. Put Thrash in; at least he gives the effort.

[Lavar703]

Fine, make him inactive. He really has added zero value in his time wearing the burgundy and gold....

Actually, no, he has added NEGATIVE value.

JERK (him not you).

Everything you have said is true, but we have to try to get something for him, he has talent, and alot of it, but hes a joke as far as his work ethic goes, and he is negative to the team. He sort of reminds me of TO, a guy who thinks hes better than everyone, and rubs all the other players the wrong way. I think we may see him traded, but I just dont think Gibbs will give up on him yet.

[Slobberknocker]

maybe boddiford is well enough to get some reps ? that is a tough kid from every thing i have read..

We shine in finding the hidden gems. May Bodiford be another feel-good story!

[Slobberknocker]

Everything you have said is true, but we have to try to get something for him, he has talent, and alot of it, but hes a joke as far as his work ethic goes, and he is negative to the team. He sort of reminds me of TO, a guy who thinks hes better than everyone, and rubs all the other players the wrong way. I think we may see him traded, but I just dont think Gibbs will give up on him yet.

If he had half TO's production, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Lavar703]

Show that gutless coward the door. Put Thrash in; at least he gives the effort.

I would love to see Thrash play more, a hell of a team player. James does everything you ask him too, I think he would be better for our team than Brandon Lloyd right now.

[Biggie]

I would love to see Thrash play more, a hell of a team player. James does everything you ask him too, I think he would be better for our team than Brandon Lloyd right now.

I mean, the guy used to be a starter in Philly and we already have two speedy receivers in Moss and ARE; what we don't have (outside of Cooley) is a reliable possession receiver Campbell can dump off too, and if teams keep focusing on Cooley, Thrash could be the antidote.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I never liked the guy one bit and today he pulled another coward BS move today. On the deep pass which admittedly wasn't the best throw in the world, not only did Lloyd appear to give up on the play, but he ABSOLUTELY gave up on the return. The DB took the ball out of the endzone and if it hadn't have been for a penalty would have gotten it to the 30-40 (not sure I was too busy staring daggers at Lloyd).

From our endzone seats (where the pick was thrown) you could see Lloyd trotting after the DB and really making no effort.

He is one of the few Redskins I think I've ever hated, and I am really trying NOT to hate the guy. I want him to live to potential, but frankly, I think it is nearing time to end this experiment.

You know I have tried to support him this offseason. That play was right in front of me as well, and Lloyd made no effort after the INT.

I actually didn't think the throw was that bad, but I haven't seen a replay yet.

[guess88]

That actually touches on something I've been thinking lately. If what we're really missing in the passing game is a solid possession receiver, isn't Thrash just that? He's not as fast as he used to be, but still very servicable, fights like hell for the ball, and catches most things that come his way. Dude's been the unheralded clutch receiver his whole career.... why don't we use him more?

[BandWagon]

I really want to try and stick it out with the guy. He's young and has immense physical skills. But, boy that was rough today. Real rough.

[jaylen]

I tried giving Lloyd the benefit of the doubt but its obvious he has no passion for the game. He has talent but lacks the inner drive and concentration needed, could be the biggest waste of money in team history aside from Stubblefield and Arch.

With the good things you're hearing from Bodifrd maybe he should start getting ready to play.

[smoak]

Same can be said to Rogers as well. He gave up a first down on a 3rd and long. Once it was completed he didn't try to make the tackle and he had a big smile on his face. If not for Rocky, Chambers would have gained another 10-20 yards.

I missed that???

But nobody gets a free pass for half-arsing out there.

[whitskins]

Lloyd sucks. For some reason he just stopped running in the middle of the route, then got out played for the ball in the air. The CB was the guy who looked like a legit NFL receiver.

Right now I have resorted to wishing that Lloyd could give us half of what Rod Gardner once produced. And sadly we are not even getting close to that.

[shally]

That actually touches on something I've been thinking lately. If what we're really missing in the passing game is a solid possession receiver, isn't Thrash just that? He's not as fast as he used to be, but still very servicable, fights like hell for the ball, and catches most things that come his way. Dude's been the unheralded clutch receiver his whole career.... why don't we use him more?

thrash simply cannot get separation from most db's

[shally]

[QUOTE=whitskins;1003135]Lloyd sucks. For some reason he just stopped running in the middle of the route, then got out played for the ball in the air. The CB was the guy who looked like a legit NFL receiver.

Right now I have resorted to wishing that Lloyd could give us half of what Rod Gardner once produced. And sadly we are not even getting close to that.[/QUOT

gardner is still out there..be careful what you wish for...lol

i wish they would look at mccardell, caldwell and gabriel.. none of them are true #2 receivers but at least they represent some kind of threat..

[lakeskin]

Yeah we need to get rid of this guy. He's all juiced up but still no heart.

[redskin_rich]

I'm done blaming the players and putting it on the coaches now.
Norv managed to squeeze productivity out of Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook and Albert Connell.

[shally]

I'm done blaming the players and putting it on the coaches now.
Norv managed to squeeze productivity out of Desmond Howard, Michael Westbrook and Albert Connell.

no.. i blame the coaches for getting him, but how is it the coaches fault if he gives up on a pass play and then idles after the interceptor ?

are they supposed to design plays around him if he is not where he is supposed to be ( the rap on him before) or rather design them around ARE ?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Brandon Lloyd is a useless football player. That is clear to anyone who has ever watched a football game. Now, my question is, why are we not doing something about it? Why did we not make a bid for a veteran receiver in the offseason, and most of all, why are we not giving the other two guys a chance? If they are worse than Lloyd, then we basically are going into the season with 2 receivers.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Brandon Lloyd is a useless football player. That is clear to anyone who has ever watched a football game. Now, my question is, why are we not doing something about it? Why did we not make a bid for a veteran receiver in the offseason, and most of all, why are we not giving the other two guys a chance? If they are worse than Lloyd, then we basically are going into the season with 2 receivers.

Hopefully this will happen this week. Now that vet signees won't get a full year pay no matter what I fully expect to see some moves. Most likely one of the 2 last minute additions to the roster will be sacrificed to enable this considering they are both banged up.

[Hr fan]

I never liked the guy one bit and today he pulled another coward BS move today. On the deep pass which admittedly wasn't the best throw in the world, not only did Lloyd appear to give up on the play, but he ABSOLUTELY gave up on the return. The DB took the ball out of the endzone and if it hadn't have been for a penalty would have gotten it to the 30-40 (not sure I was too busy staring daggers at Lloyd).

From our endzone seats (where the pick was thrown) you could see Lloyd trotting after the DB and really making no effort.

He is one of the few Redskins I think I've ever hated, and I am really trying NOT to hate the guy. I want him to live to potential, but frankly, I think it is nearing time to end this experiment.

Agree with you in general, but on home TV I think ARE, Moss or Thrash would have made the catch, or at least acted like a DB. I disagree with your hating a Redskin because he is by no definition JG has ever uttered a "Redskin".

[frankez99]

Lloyd is ripping off the Redskins and us fans.

But we knew he was like this before he got here so shame on our FO.

He was a malcontent that was constantly being confronted in SF's locker-room; his biggest goal was his rap album.

He has skills (I guess?), but zero heart and football passion.....

Lloyd is the ANTI-REDSKIN.

[Patrick]

Well - the coaches have game film to review and IF it's as bad as everyone is saying then I would think he'd get some heavy criticism. I don't know about cutting him especially after a win. Will be interesting to see how this plays out this week and IF a actually become a issue.

[vabeach_skinsfan]

I have to agree. Not too sure what in the world he was thinking on that play. He had 1 on 1 coverage and he's just looking at the ball, doesn't even attempt to make a play. Then he's just watching the DB run down the field.

Its one thing to make mistakes, but to play with out any guts is just plain lame.

[Hr fan]

I know he has sucked, but its too early to cut him. Not because he doesnt deserved to be cut, but because we gave up to much, to just give up on him now, its unfortunate, because Im sure our front office was warned about him.

The reason he is still on the team is the salary cap rules. OK. Make him the 53rd player and inactive for all remaining games. Or use him as a live tackling dummy for ST and LL in practice.

[PyroGenic]

I don't even like him in madden. It's hard to hate anybody in madden when you can improve them but I still hate him and his mysterious dread lock wig. All we really need to do now is make up some cheesy chant and we're good... how about...void lloyd... or something... eh..

[culpeper]

wow guys/gals...i think this is a little quick. the dissappointing thing is he didnt make the play. the ball went through his hands and the DB happened to make a great play. he LOOKED IMO to be surprised JC threw that ball in the first place.

great job by JC to give his playmaker a shot. im disappointed in lloyd for not making a play when he had the chance. but he blocked well, didnt complain, and we move on. im not ready to get rid of him yet, one play shouldnt get you cut, regardless of last year.

now i do agree that if this happens 2 or three more times, he wont have to worry about making a play...coach will bench him and he'll be gone.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

wow guys/gals...i think this is a little quick. the dissappointing thing is he didnt make the play. the ball went through his hands and the DB happened to make a great play. he LOOKED IMO to be surprised JC threw that ball in the first place.

great job by JC to give his playmaker a shot. im disappointed in lloyd for not making a play when he had the chance. but he blocked well, didnt complain, and we move on. im not ready to get rid of him yet, one play shouldnt get you cut, regardless of last year.

now i do agree that if this happens 2 or three more times, he wont have to worry about making a play...coach will bench him and he'll be gone.
I'm gonna assume that this whole post is sarcastic.

[dj_stouty]

I think Lloyd is a Redskin for the remainder of the season whether we fans like it or not. He will just slide down the depth chart if he continues to be a distraction or not give 100% on the field.

The telling sign that Lloyd is out of favor with Gibbs/Saunders was the fact that Thrash was in the game EARLY. I'd like to see Thrash on the field more often anyway...

As I mentioned in the JC thread, I don't fully fault Lloyd for that INT. YES, he should have made a better play on the ball, but I don't think JC helped matters by pumping it three times before letting it go. The defense got tipped off on that and converged on the ball quickly.

Either way...I hope Lloyd isn't a Redskin in '08.

[shally]

I think Lloyd is a Redskin for the remainder of the season whether we fans like it or not. He will just slide down the depth chart if he continues to be a distraction or not give 100% on the field.

The telling sign that Lloyd is out of favor with Gibbs/Saunders was the fact that Thrash was in the game EARLY. I'd like to see Thrash on the field more often anyway...

As I mentioned in the JC thread, I don't fully fault Lloyd for that INT. YES, he should have made a better play on the ball, but I don't think JC helped matters by pumping it three times before letting it go. The defense got tipped off on that and converged on the ball quickly.

Either way...I hope Lloyd isn't a Redskin in '08.

i dont see any way he is here in 08.. he is on a path to be even less productive than patten

[culpeper]

I'm gonna assume that this whole post is sarcastic.

actually it wasnt sarcastic. im not sure what everyone expects from lloyd really. hes our 3rd receiver, and hes never had great numbers throughout his career, even as the #1 guy. its just hes overpaid? sure he has potential, but im baffled at the anger towards him...hes not shown us anything in the past, why do we expect him to show us anything now?

regardless, if hes not producing, he'll be benched. the process will take care of itself. everyone who wants him gone should have been happy about that play, its one step closer to getting him cut...

[shally]

actually it wasnt sarcastic. im not sure what everyone expects from lloyd really. hes our 3rd receiver, and hes never had great numbers throughout his career, even as the #1 guy. its just hes overpaid? sure he has potential, but im baffled at the anger towards him...hes not shown us anything in the past, why do we expect him to show us anything now?

regardless, if hes not producing, he'll be benched. the process will take care of itself. everyone who wants him gone should have been happy about that play, its one step closer to getting him cut...

he will just slowly slide down the depth chart into oblivion..
and the players will likely be cool towards him in the lockerroom

[CNYSkinFan]

Yep LLoyd is all but done unless he has pro bowl numbers over the rest of the season. You can't teach pride, you either have it or never will.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

actually it wasnt sarcastic. im not sure what everyone expects from lloyd really. hes our 3rd receiver, and hes never had great numbers throughout his career, even as the #1 guy. its just hes overpaid? sure he has potential, but im baffled at the anger towards him...hes not shown us anything in the past, why do we expect him to show us anything now?

regardless, if hes not producing, he'll be benched. the process will take care of itself. everyone who wants him gone should have been happy about that play, its one step closer to getting him cut...

I don't necessarily want him gone. I want him to produce when he plays. He completely quit on a play leading to a turnover. That is completely unacceptable. Now, if he made six other great catches and had that bad play, then maybe we can talk. But he hasn't done anything during his tenure here except make excuses (the lights in his eyes is a particularly sad one as I recall).

The point is, he has lost the benefit of the doubt and he has no more good will or sweat equity left.

[culpeper]

I don't necessarily want him gone. I want him to produce when he plays. He completely quit on a play leading to a turnover. That is completely unacceptable. Now, if he made six other great catches and had that bad play, then maybe we can talk. But he hasn't done anything during his tenure here except make excuses (the lights in his eyes is a particularly sad one as I recall).

The point is, he has lost the benefit of the doubt and he has no more good will or sweat equity left.

i agree with you 100%. theres just some anger towards him in this thread that i cant understand. hes just playing like b.lloyd. we shouldnt expect much from him in the first place.

now...im personally hoping he will have a solid year for us, its a long season. but that play doesnt make me hate lloyd. im disappointed sure, but its not a surprise. we saw it ALL last year right?

[smoak]

The reason he is still on the team is the salary cap rules. OK. Make him the 53rd player and inactive for all remaining games. Or use him as a live tackling dummy for ST and LL in practice.

I agree (and also your about about Lloyd not being a Redskin). I don't care what people say, I'd rather have Thrash, Jacobs, Gardner, or even that little person Vern Troyer (sp?) who played "Mini-me" in Austin Powers.

They guy is worse than Michael Westbrook in my mind.

[Keino]

wow guys/gals...i think this is a little quick. the dissappointing thing is he didnt make the play. the ball went through his hands and the DB happened to make a great play. he LOOKED IMO to be surprised JC threw that ball in the first place.

great job by JC to give his playmaker a shot. im disappointed in lloyd for not making a play when he had the chance. but he blocked well, didnt complain, and we move on. im not ready to get rid of him yet, one play shouldnt get you cut, regardless of last year.

now i do agree that if this happens 2 or three more times, he wont have to worry about making a play...coach will bench him and he'll be gone.

He looked surprised, because he gave up on his route, which is probably the biggest sin a WR can make. For one, D'Backs can read body language when he is not the Primary WR in the play. Secondly, and this relates to the first point, you should run every single route like you expect to get the ball.

It wasn't just the route that was bad, but then he made a horrible effort to make the play (at that point he should've become the D Back) and then made ZERO effort to make a tackle. A complete lack of hustle, which is inexcusable.

[hogskins]

I do not like feeling this way after a win, but I really want to rip his head off. I really hope he never sees the field agains and he shouldn't.

PLUS!!! I was trying so hard to give him the benefit of the doubt that this would be a 360 year for him. He is a gutless wonder and I am fuming...

Ugh.... I should go take a shower (not b/c of this but b/c of the burning heat we experienced all day).

Apparently it IS a "360 year" for him. He's turned all the way around and still strolling in his own direction, which has nothing to do with where the team is trying to go.

I would be interested to know whether JC was supposed to throw a jump ball on that play, since Lloyd has some aerial skill.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Plain and simple I think Brandon Lloyd is soft.

[morty55]

Apparently it IS a "360 year" for him. He's turned all the way around and still strolling in his own direction, which has nothing to do with where the team is trying to go.

I would be interested to know whether JC was supposed to throw a jump ball on that play, since Lloyd has some aerial skill.

somehow I sense that there is this protective bubble evolving around Jason Campbell...I agree with the Lloyd observations..that he didn't try
hard enough..but flying hard at a 4.4 -40 speed with a guy right on you is hard to assume a move was possible..or the throw was on target

but take away a fluke meaningless ricochet..and both randle-EL..and Jason have ordinary at best days..maybe not antwaan as much as Jason..

but Campbell's play yesterday..is more of a half-full...not half empty..
but was still several ounces away from being above critique..

I say if we want to blast one guy..let's line up everyone that made errors

[hogskins]

I mean, the guy used to be a starter in Philly and we already have two speedy receivers in Moss and ARE; what we don't have (outside of Cooley) is a reliable possession receiver Campbell can dump off too, and if teams keep focusing on Cooley, Thrash could be the antidote.

Thrash has a lot of heart and experience. Not a long-term answer, certainly, but giving him the #3 role might finally wake up BL to the fact that the Skins aren't obliged to keep giving him opportunities forever, no matter what he gets paid.

[shally]

somehow I sense that there is this protective bubble evolving around Jason Campbell...I agree with the Lloyd observations..that he didn't try
hard enough..but flying hard at a 4.4 -40 speed with a guy right on you is hard to assume a move was possible..or the throw was on target

but take away a fluke ricochet..and both randle-EL..and Jason have ordinary at best days..maybe not antwaan as much as Jason..

but Campbell's play yesterday..is more of a half-full...not half empty..
but was still several ounces away from being above critique..

I say if we want to blast one guy..let's line up everyone that made errors

i can forgive an error due to effort.. i have much more problem with an error that comes from giving up on aplay or not pursuing after an int.. lloyd simply did not make the hustle play in either circumstance- before and after the int

[shally]

Thrash has a lot of heart and experience. Not a long-term answer, certainly, but giving him the #3 role might finally wake up BL to the fact that the Skins aren't obliged to keep giving him opportunities forever, no matter what he gets paid.

i think like "leon" in the commercials that BL is blind to his shortcomings

[guinness4health]

I would be interested to know whether JC was supposed to throw a jump ball on that play, since Lloyd has some aerial skill.

it would have been uglier because lloyd couldn't even get his hands up, I doubt he would have been able to jump....

Lloyd has to make that caught, he had inside position heading into the endzone...

The cornerback didn't make a great play on the ball (unless simply catching the ball that hits you in the chest is a great play...hey smoot are you listening catch the ball next time)....

the ball went right through Lloyd, the throw was a better throw than the TD to ARE in the 4th preseason game....the only difference is that ARE wanted the TD and Lloyd acted surprised that someone would throw him the ball....

I just don't get it everything why can't this guy locate the ball in the air....

I am one of the few that still wants to give lloyd the benefit of the doubt (he is not getting cut, at least until the offseason)....BUT Lloyd all that I am asking is give full effort when you are on the field!!

I like the effort we seem to get from lloyd when it comes to blocking, but he just seems to have at least 1 or 2 of these total boneheaded plays every game....and this week it nearly cost us the game

[hogskins]

somehow I sense that there is this protective bubble evolving around Jason Campbell...I agree with the Lloyd observations..that he didn't try
hard enough..but flying hard at a 4.4 -40 speed with a guy right on you is hard to assume a move was possible..or the throw was on target

but take away a fluke meaningless ricochet..and both randle-EL..and Jason have ordinary at best days..maybe not antwaan as much as Jason..

but Campbell's play yesterday..is more of a half-full...not half empty..
but was still several ounces away from being above critique..

I say if we want to blast one guy..let's line up everyone that made errors

Agree--JC was off-target in many instances. Maybe some of it was season-opener jitters (although he did look confident much of the time). I think that he gets a mulligan, since we all knew that our passing game would probably be a roller-coaster ride for a while. I did like his choices when it came to tucking the ball and taking off--the frequency and circumstances seemed pretty level-headed to me. Even without the drops, Campbell had a pedestrian day throwing the ball. However, nobody can accuse Campbell of not trying hard enough, which I think is most people's beef with Lloyd. All the skill in the world doesn't overcome a lack of desire.

ARE had over 100 yards without the fluke, and he has been a plus since joining this team. He was one misstep away from having a huge punt return, too. I don't think that he belongs in this discussion.

[morty55]

Agree--JC was off-target in many instances. Maybe some of it was season-opener jitters (although he did look confident much of the time). I think that he gets a mulligan, since we all knew that our passing game would probably be a roller-coaster ride for a while. I did like his choices when it came to tucking the ball and taking off--the frequency and circumstances seemed pretty level-headed to me. Even without the drops, Campbell had a pedestrian day throwing the ball. However, nobody can accuse Campbell of not trying hard enough, which I think is most people's beef with Lloyd. All the skill in the world doesn't overcome a lack of desire.

ARE had over 100 yards without the fluke, and he has been a plus since joining this team. He was one misstep away from having a huge punt return, too. I don't think that he belongs in this discussion.

I agree..I wasn't trashing ARE..by any means..160 or so yards is an amazing day..but amazing days come sometimes from the ball bouncing one way or the other..I was glad to see him getting consistent seperation

Matt Jones..was soft on a TD pass yesterday..I don't know if you saw that one..but Tennessee beat Jax..because he whimped on a pass that was far more catchable..I hope he becomes available..even though he has flaws.. a 6'5" reciever can make a few drops..and make us forget Lloyd

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Am I the only one that noticed that, aside from the INT, Lloyd had 0 catches for 0 yards? I mean, it's not like that play was the only thing wrong with his game.

[colkurtz]

Mr Invisible - that's what I'm calling him. I agree completely with Smoak - this guy is just plain lame and will do nothing for us this season.

Good news is that this may be the biggest and most long-lasting thread in hR history. PPl are going to be ranting about BL as long as he is on the team. He is never going to change.

Get rid of him NOW - send a message that his brand of heartless play has no place on this team. There has got to be a better WR somewhere on the wire or on the team already. Thrash may have lost a step but at least he catches every pass and gives it 100%.

[shally]

Am I the only one that noticed that, aside from the INT, Lloyd had 0 catches for 0 yards? I mean, it's not like that play was the only thing wrong with his game.

he had 1 catch-- actually a nice one on a badly overthrown ball.. for about 5 yards.. it was erased because the skins accepted a penalty on the defense for 5 yards..

[Hrabanmaur]

I loathe BL's performance as much as the next man. With that said, it is the first game of the season. If he continues to suck, I'm sure he will get benched for Thrash and dumped in the offseason. But I'd like to give him at least one more shot.

On the bright side, I love that ARE looked like a real threat as no. 2 wideout. He stepped up his game and leaves me with a not-so-rotten feeling about the wideout splurge last year.

[LuvSkins17]

When Jason threw the ball I yelled "Nooooo"! Now it wasn't the best throw, but it didn't think Lloyd would go up and get it. He needs to play with some heart.

[smoak]

somehow I sense that there is this protective bubble evolving around Jason Campbell...I agree with the Lloyd observations..that he didn't try
hard enough..but flying hard at a 4.4 -40 speed with a guy right on you is hard to assume a move was possible..or the throw was on target

but take away a fluke meaningless ricochet..and both randle-EL..and Jason have ordinary at best days..maybe not antwaan as much as Jason..

but Campbell's play yesterday..is more of a half-full...not half empty..
but was still several ounces away from being above critique..

I say if we want to blast one guy..let's line up everyone that made errors

I adamantly disagree with your post for two major reason. 1) Lloyd has a track record for giving up on plays and I don't recall any of the other guys giving up on plays. I believe (not sure) Campbell made the tackle after one of the INTs? Either way, mistakes can be tolerated, but lack of effort and gutless play can not (IMO). 2) Nobody is saying that ARE and Campbell are blame free? This just happens to be a thread about the gutless wonder boy who quit on the play. If you look in other threads you'll see comments about ARE's key drop on third down and Campbell's troubles in the game. Neither were great, but both played tough, and dare I say "smart" football.

[smoak]

I agree..I wasn't trashing ARE..by any means..160 or so yards is an amazing day..but amazing days come sometimes from the ball bouncing one way or the other..I was glad to see him getting consistent seperation

Matt Jones..was soft on a TD pass yesterday..I don't know if you saw that one..but Tennessee beat Jax..because he whimped on a pass that was far more catchable..I hope he becomes available..even though he has flaws.. a 6'5" reciever can make a few drops..and make us forget Lloyd

I am completely with you here. ARE may have 25 yards next week and as long as someone else is contributing, I personally don't care. Obviously the coaching staff and or Campbell saw something they liked in this matchup and exploited it... Or at least it seems that way.

I was really shocked we didn't go back to attacking the middle of the field after the first INT.

[colkurtz]

Worst case scenario: BL plays his selfish, lame football style and moves down the player chart all season. Dumped quietly in the off-season.

Best case scenario: He completely changes his personality, plays hard, grows a heart and becomes a locker-room positive. Yeah, right.

My Personal Best-case scenario - give him another game or two; he'll still be Mr. Invisible; then dump him for the Best Player Available on the wire.

[Dept_of_Defense]

The Brandon Lloyd that played in San Francisco was somebody else. He might've caused some drama, but @ least he put up some decent numbers. I don't even recognize this guy, and based off last season and yesterday, I'm confused as to how this guy ever became a pro. Anyone know Jimmy Farris' number?

[Keino]

Am I the only one that noticed that, aside from the INT, Lloyd had 0 catches for 0 yards? I mean, it's not like that play was the only thing wrong with his game.

To be fair, he made a helluva catch on a ball in which the defense was offsides. It was only for 6 yards, so we took the penalty. 1st & 5 is better than 2nd & 4.

Since the INT happenned right in front of me, Im going to disagree with anyone who claimes that wasn't a perfect pass. Had Lloyd not given up on his route, we'd be talking about what a great pass that was. The CB made a nice play and all, but it shouldn't have come to that.

[shally]

To be fair, he made a helluva catch on a ball in which the defense was offsides. It was only for 6 yards, so we took the penalty. 1st & 5 is better than 2nd & 4.

Since the INT happenned right in front of me, Im going to disagree with anyone who claimes that wasn't a perfect pass. Had Lloyd not given up on his route, we'd be talking about what a great pass that was. The CB made a nice play and all, but it shouldn't have come to that.

agree. he actually cut infront of the defender to make the play-- and then gave up on the ball.. totally inconsistent.. was there sun inhis eyes or something to explain his actions ??

and i agree about the catch he did make. he really sky-ed for the ball even if it was just for 5 yards...

[SkinsfaninNJ]

To be fair, he made a helluva catch on a ball in which the defense was offsides. It was only for 6 yards, so we took the penalty. 1st & 5 is better than 2nd & 4.

Since the INT happenned right in front of me, Im going to disagree with anyone who claimes that wasn't a perfect pass. Had Lloyd not given up on his route, we'd be talking about what a great pass that was. The CB made a nice play and all, but it shouldn't have come to that.

Totally agree. That ball was placed right where Lloyd should have gotten it.

Further, I can't believe people are asking if JC should have made that throw. You have single coverage on the outside to a guy who is supposed to be known for his ability to go up and get the ball. Yeah, that is exactly the play we wanted.

Lloyd let himself and the whole team down.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

agree. he actually cut infront of the defender to make the play-- and then gave up on the ball.. totally inconsistent.. was there sun inhis eyes or something to explain his actions ??

and i agree about the catch he did make. he really sky-ed for the ball even if it was just for 5 yards...

I don't think the sun was in his eyes. I think it was at his back at that point. I have to see it again, but I think he turned the wrong way at first, which threw him off.

[shally]

I don't think the sun was in his eyes. I think it was at his back at that point. I have to see it again, but I think he turned the wrong way at first, which threw him off.


he could have easily shielded off the defender and it looked like the ball actually went betweeen his hands or over his head.. it was a miserable play..

and when you have one on one coverage the qb should throw that ball. you know that as much of a dog as plaxico burress can be, he would have eaten that pass up. same with TO or moss or a bunch of the better receivers in the nfl.. it was a chump play by lloyd

[jaylen]

he could have easily shielded off the defender and it looked like the ball actually went betweeen his hands or over his head.. it was a miserable play..

and when you have one on one coverage the qb should throw that ball. you know that as much of a dog as plaxico burress can be, he would have eaten that pass up. same with TO or moss or a bunch of the better receivers in the nfl.. it was a chump play by lloyd


I agree wholeheartedly.

[culpeper]

i still think we are overreacting here. i watched the replay 25 times, the ball went right threw his hands. he DID make a play on the ball. he just forgot to catch it. and if he had, this thread would be just as skewd in a positive direction...

with that said, i will not defend his lack of effort to make the tackle.

and did anyone notice JC relapsed back to his old throwing motion? right after that 1st INT he starting getting long with his windup and the ball started floating on him.

[Keino]

agree. he actually cut infront of the defender to make the play-- and then gave up on the ball.. totally inconsistent.. was there sun inhis eyes or something to explain his actions ??

and i agree about the catch he did make. he really sky-ed for the ball even if it was just for 5 yards...

Given the Angle, I don' think the sun could've been in his eyes. He is just a pejorative word for female genetalia.


I am amazed that anyone is trying to pin that on Campbell....still. On TV you do not have the benefit of seeing the entire route, we all saw Lloyd slow down (almost pouty) because he assumed the ball wasn't being thrown to him.

[RedHokieSkin]

When I watched that play over and over this morning, I didn't see a lack of effort trying to make the catch. I thought at first that maybe he jumped to early, but it doesn't appear so. He was at the top of his jump when the ball got there. I think he couldn't jump as high as he should have because he had to jump forward as well as up due to being slightly behind the throw.

Now I'm going to go back and watch the route before the ball got there, maybe he made a mistake or slowed slightly in his route to get behind, but I really didn't see a lack of effort going for the ball. He landed flat on his face after jumping so I feel like he went all out.

Also, definitely not a bad throw to make by JC. With single coverage I'd take the odds on almost any receiver in the league.

I can't defend the lack of effort chasing the DB after the pick. There's no excuse for that.

[Bluuz]

Lloyd is such a great physical specimen that I keep hoping he'll turn it up and start producing. Guess not. Can't imagine that coaches are happy with him at point.

Seems like he's always getting owned by DBs half his size.

[CNYSkinFan]

Lloyd simply cannot be cut this year. The team cannot afford the cap hit (reportedly around 7 mil;lion).

Next year his cap hit becomes about 5 million or less depending on whether his roster bonus this year was converted into SB or not (I assume it was.)

Lloyd is gone next year almost for sure, but he won't be cut this year.

[shally]

Lloyd simply cannot be cut this year. The team cannot afford the cap hit (reportedly around 7 mil;lion).

Next year his cap hit becomes about 5 million or less depending on whether his roster bonus this year was converted into SB or not (I assume it was.)

Lloyd is gone next year almost for sure, but he won't be cut this year.

then they ought to make him inactive for the next 15 games..

how is it that they had the sense to NOT offer duckett a new deal, but did re do lloyds ??

[Syllable]

I never liked the guy one bit and today he pulled another coward BS move today. On the deep pass which admittedly wasn't the best throw in the world, not only did Lloyd appear to give up on the play, but he ABSOLUTELY gave up on the return. The DB took the ball out of the endzone and if it hadn't have been for a penalty would have gotten it to the 30-40 (not sure I was too busy staring daggers at Lloyd).

From our endzone seats (where the pick was thrown) you could see Lloyd trotting after the DB and really making no effort.

He is one of the few Redskins I think I've ever hated, and I am really trying NOT to hate the guy. I want him to live to potential, but frankly, I think it is nearing time to end this experiment.

I hate to defend him on that play, but he is not a 6'5+ WR. The ball was overthrown plain and simple. He got plenty of elevation, but it was overthrown. Campbell has been the offseason "Iron" man, but he still can't throw an intermediate route to lloyd without getting him laid out for jumping. Moss looked pissed when Campbell missed him, and Lloyd is losing faith in Campbell since all he does is overthrow him or force him to take a hit on a jumping grab.

BTW, LLoyd is our number 3 Wideout now that ARE played so well. So we can expect him to get dropped or take a massive pay cut to stay on the team next year imo.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Well, if he's inactive then we're left with Thrash and Bodiford.
El gave some confidence yesterday to get the deep ball and I bet Thrash will go over the middle and get balls and we have Cooley. Lloyd is not needed here.

[Keino]

The ball was not overthrown. Please stop saying that. The ball was perfectly placed to any WR who doesn't quit on the route.

[shally]

El gave some confidence yesterday to get the deep ball and I bet Thrash will go over the middle and get balls and we have Cooley. Lloyd is not needed here.

the last time we tried that with thrash a couple of years ago he could not get an inch of separation from the db's.. he is no faster now..

i love the guy, but he is not going to run away from anyone

[Battle Cat]

I hate to defend him on that play, but he is not a 6'5+ WR. The ball was overthrown plain and simple. He got plenty of elevation, but it was overthrown. Campbell has been the offseason "Iron" man, but he still can't throw an intermediate route to lloyd without getting him laid out for jumping. Moss looked pissed when Campbell missed him, and Lloyd is losing faith in Campbell since all he does is overthrow him or force him to take a hit on a jumping grab.

BTW, LLoyd is our number 3 Wideout now that ARE played so well. So we can expect him to get dropped or take a massive pay cut to stay on the team next year imo.
If the receivers are losing faith they can go back to Alex Smith in San Fran or a broke down Chad Pennington in New York. Wide receivers are a dime a dozen franchise qbs are not. Jason Campbell is the qb for the foreseeable future here and the wide receivers better get used to that. Plus this is Campbell's 7th start if I am not mistaken that is not even half a season, so maybe we should show a little patience. Yes Campbell made a few mistakes but he showed more potential than anything else. As long as Campbell works as hard as the coaches say he does he will be ok.

[HAWGZHEAD]

the last time we tried that with thrash a couple of years ago he could not get an inch of separation from the db's.. he is no faster now..

i love the guy, but he is not going to run away from anyoneRight now I will take a 6 yard comeback over zero production from Lloyd. If we can go outside the team and get a more productive WR great, I was really only taking into account what we already have.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I hate to defend him on that play, but he is not a 6'5+ WR. The ball was overthrown plain and simple. He got plenty of elevation, but it was overthrown. Campbell has been the offseason "Iron" man, but he still can't throw an intermediate route to lloyd without getting him laid out for jumping. Moss looked pissed when Campbell missed him, and Lloyd is losing faith in Campbell since all he does is overthrow him or force him to take a hit on a jumping grab.

BTW, LLoyd is our number 3 Wideout now that ARE played so well. So we can expect him to get dropped or take a massive pay cut to stay on the team next year imo.

I don't see it that way completely. I could care less who Lloyd has faith in, because I hope no one at Redskin Park has any faith in him after yesterday. I'm sure Moss was disappointed in that throw JC missed (it was a big play in the game), but he should be equally disappointed in his two drops.

I am confident that Moss, Cooley, ARE and JC are all on the same page. In fact, if JC had not missed Moss that one time and Moss made those two other catches, we would have had two big games from our WR's. My point is we are a half step away from this offense being scary even with Lloyd contributing nothing.

[shally]

Right now I will take a 6 yard comeback over zero production from Lloyd. If we can go outside the team and get a more productive WR great, I was really only taking into account what we already have.

i think the team ought to look at caldwell, gabriel, mccardell and anyone lese they think can help the team. jansen is likely to go on IR this week. that gives us another space


maybe boddiford has something to show ? the front office sure wanted him enough

[CNYSkinFan]

then they ought to make him inactive for the next 15 games..

how is it that they had the sense to NOT offer duckett a new deal, but did re do lloyds ??
that is ridiculous. Espescially if you dont like Thrash. Lloyd is the third WR on the team because he is the only option there. He either produces or he doesnt and then he is gone next year. There is no one out on the street who is better right now and even if there was, Lloyd is making too much for it to matter.

Also they did not redo LLoyd';s contract. All of iour contracts the Redskins have an option to convert Roster Bonus into signing bonus if they want to. Duckett never really wanted to be here and after being inactive and unused last year I dont blame him.

[shally]

that is ridiculous. Espescially if you dont like Thrash. Lloyd is the third WR on the team because he is the only option there. He either produces or he doesnt and then he is gone next year. There is no one out on the street who is better right now and even if there was, Lloyd is making too much for it to matter.

Also they did not redo LLoyd';s contract. All of iour contracts the Redskins have an option to convert Roster Bonus into signing bonus if they want to. Duckett never really wanted to be here and after being inactive and unused last year I dont blame him.

tell how it is ridiculous to make inactive a guy who was the worst starting receiver inthe nfl last year.. who looks the same this year.. who quit on both the pass and the interception return... lloyd is NOT the only option. that is what is ridiculous..
i am not saying to cut him, because why should we take that kind of cap hit?
but if a heart to heart with gibbs had zero effect, then why is he on the field.? that is noticed by other players. guys who are totally busting their butts for the team. it would be one thing if he took plays off like burress does or moss does, but is productive most of the time and contributes game changing plays. but lloyd has contributed zero. last year and this year.

he doesnt even draw double coverage or pull the defense away from anyone.
why is he out there ? at least thrash blocks like a maniac on plays.

so what do we have in boddiford ? let's see if he can catch anything.

and we will have a roster spot when jansen goes on IR. check out what is out there. you really think caldwell is any worse than lloyd ? even gardner had some productive games (i am not saying to sign him)

got to admit i could not have been more wrong about lloyd..but to leave him in game after game is just plain stupid

[HanburgerBum]

i agree with you 100%. theres just some anger towards him in this thread that i cant understand. hes just playing like b.lloyd. we shouldnt expect much from him in the first place.

now...im personally hoping he will have a solid year for us, its a long season. but that play doesnt make me hate lloyd. im disappointed sure, but its not a surprise. we saw it ALL last year right?


I was one of Lloyd's supporters in the offseason, because he appears to be talented and the team needs for him to produce. Also, I thought Gibbs had talked to Lloyd after last season and got his promise to give maximum effort and to behave as a good teammate. That's why I am extremely disappointed by that play and what it showed. Lloyd looked like he could care less in running the route, in going for the ball and in "pursuing" the DB after the interception. This kind of lackadaisical attitude is simply inexcusible.

I am afraid Lloyd has become a cancer in the locker room--a player making big bucks who doesn't deserve it and won't even give good effort. Unfortunately, it apparently will take too much cap room to get rid of him now. So, the team is stuck with him. Gibbs will have to do a masterful job of coaching to prevent Lloyd from dragging the team down.

I wish a leader on this team (e.g. someone like Mike Sellers) would take Lloyd aside and threaten to beat the excrement out of him if he doesn't start to play hard. Maybe that will get his attention.

[firehawk157]

I don't see it that way completely. I could care less who Lloyd has faith in, because I hope no one at Redskin Park has any faith in him after yesterday. I'm sure Moss was disappointed in that throw JC missed (it was a big play in the game), but he should be equally disappointed in his two drops.

I am confident that Moss, Cooley, ARE and JC are all on the same page. In fact, if JC had not missed Moss that one time and Moss made those two other catches, we would have had two big games from our WR's. My point is we are a half step away from this offense being scary even with Lloyd contributing nothing.
Your right, Moss has no room to get upset at campbell after dropping two easy passes. But show me a single QB who never overthrows or a single receiver that never drops a ball. Campbell will calm down and those balls will start to come down again and we'll be okay.

For better or worse, Lloyd is our #3 receiver, so let's show some support. If he does bad, then calling for his head is a top priority this offseason...

[shally]

I was one of Lloyd's supporters in the offseason, because he appears to be talented and the team needs for him to produce. Also, I thought Gibbs had talked to Lloyd after last season and got his promise to give maximum effort and to behave as a good teammate. That's why I am extremely disappointed by that play and what it showed. Lloyd looked like he could care less in running the route, in going for the ball and in "pursuing" the DB after the interception. This kind of lackadaisical attitude is simply inexcusible.

I am afraid Lloyd has become a cancer in the locker room--a player making big bucks who doesn't deserve it and won't even give good effort. Unfortunately, it apparently will take too much cap room to get rid of him now. So, the team is stuck with him. Gibbs will have to do a masterful job of coaching to prevent Lloyd from dragging the team down.

I wish a leader on this team (e.g. someone like Mike Sellers) would take Lloyd aside and threaten to beat the excrement out of him if he doesn't start to play hard. Maybe that will get his attention.


amen.. but really, those days are gone. beasley would have been interesting to have on the team, but they couldnt do anything with him in san fran (except get rid of him) and we wont be able to either . he will be gone next year.
the ostracism of fellow players means not a whole lot when you have that kind of "me first" attitude and are being paid royally.
but they can make him inactive week after week. and that gets everyone's attention

[Slobberknocker]

shally, you're harder to keep up with than Randy Moss in the open field.

[shally]

shally, you're harder to keep up with than Randy Moss in the open field.


:mfast:

[IowaSkinsFan]

Anybody know why Reche Caldwell hasn't gotten picked up? Just wondering if his arms fell off or something.

I think that's why NE released him. Witness the 2006 AFC championship game.

[Syllable]

The ball was not overthrown. Please stop saying that. The ball was perfectly placed to any WR who doesn't quit on the route.

Thats kinda funny, I was under the impression that when the wide receiver is jumping the highest he can,(While trying to get in front of the CB) and the ball goes over the fingertips of the receiver, its an overthrown ball.

Campbell should know his wide receivers abilities. To be honest, none of our wideouts can outjump a 6'1 cb.

Again, I am not defending Lloyd on his performance this season. But to put more blame on Lloyd than Campbell on that play is being naive.

[skinsfaninva]

Thats kinda funny, I was under the impression that when the wide receiver is jumping the highest he can,(While trying to get in front of the CB) and the ball goes over the fingertips of the receiver, its an overthrown ball.

Campbell should know his wide receivers abilities. To be honest, none of our wideouts can outjump a 6'1 cb.

Again, I am not defending Lloyd on his performance this season. But to put more blame on Lloyd than Campbell on that play is being naive.


It is not being naive to put more blame on Lloyd than Campbell. Both Moss and Randle El would have either caught the ball or gotten a hand on it. Anyway the issue I have is that Lloyd looked to not go 100% on the play thus not getting into position to jump for the ball. It seemed that he had to sprint just to get to the spot he was supposed to be at then couldn't jump for the ball. The TD to Randle El in the last preseason game was almost the exact same pass.

[smoak]

I hate to defend him on that play, but he is not a 6'5+ WR. The ball was overthrown plain and simple. He got plenty of elevation, but it was overthrown. Campbell has been the offseason "Iron" man, but he still can't throw an intermediate route to lloyd without getting him laid out for jumping. Moss looked pissed when Campbell missed him, and Lloyd is losing faith in Campbell since all he does is overthrow him or force him to take a hit on a jumping grab.

BTW, LLoyd is our number 3 Wideout now that ARE played so well. So we can expect him to get dropped or take a massive pay cut to stay on the team next year imo.

Defend and make excuses all you want, but that INT could have easily been stopped inside the 10 had Lloyd even half jogged after the DB. I was focusing on Campbell so I didn;t watch the route develope, but nobody who was AT the game is willing to defend Lloyd and there are about 5-6 people whos football knowledge I REALLY respect that are saying he quit.

I don't even want the putz on the field so throw the number desination out the windo. Plus if we're going to use our TE to block, why not use Cooley like the Colz use Dallass Clark? Put him out widfe or in the slot with Moss and ARE on the field. Mix in a pinch of Thrash and pray nobody gets hurt. We do not need Lloyd.

[smoak]

the last time we tried that with thrash a couple of years ago he could not get an inch of separation from the db's.. he is no faster now..

i love the guy, but he is not going to run away from anyone

shally, cmon man that is bull. Is Thrash running away from CBs? Of course not, but there is more to seperation than speed (ARE for example is not fast). Thrash had 12-151-12.6-1TD last year as a blocking fourth WR. As a #2, Lloyd was 23-365-15.9-ZERO TDs.

I'm sorry, but I'd take half a Thrash than those numbers. At least I can trust Thrash on third down.

[frankez99]

If Brandon Lloyd fell down in the forest, would he make a sound?

If Brandon Lloyd was secretly released tonight, would you notice him missing?

Shoot....give me Leslie Shepard or Albert Connell over this malcontent. Anybody have Andre Reed's number? How about D. McCants? Rod Gardner? Where is Henry Ellard? Hey, how about Tydus Winans! Alvin Harper! Hello!

Dang Brandon, you actually make me miss Desmond Howard!

[shally]

Defend and make excuses all you want, but that INT could have easily been stopped inside the 10 had Lloyd even half jogged after the DB. I was focusing on Campbell so I didn;t watch the route develope, but nobody who was AT the game is willing to defend Lloyd and there are about 5-6 people whos football knowledge I REALLY respect that are saying he quit.

I don't even want the putz on the field so throw the number desination out the windo. Plus if we're going to use our TE to block, why not use Cooley like the Colz use Dallass Clark? Put him out widfe or in the slot with Moss and ARE on the field. Mix in a pinch of Thrash and pray nobody gets hurt. We do not need Lloyd.

i think the reason we cant was explained by gibbs this afternoon.. cooley was involved in blocking. the reason that the colts can do what they do with clark is that their o line is better at pass blocking.. and peyton can get rid of the ball faster than the defense can get to him

shally, cmon man that is bull. Is Thrash running away from CBs? Of course not, but there is more to seperation than speed (ARE for example is not fast). Thrash had 12-151-12.6-1TD last year as a blocking fourth WR. As a #2, Lloyd was 23-365-15.9-ZERO TDs.

I'm sorry, but I'd take half a Thrash than those numbers. At least I can trust Thrash on third down.

i am coming around to the concept of thrash trying to be a number 3.. but lack of speed and separation is the reason the eagles gave up on thrash.. and when the skins needed him to step up, he simply did not have the speed to get it done.. maybe brunell couldnt or wouldnt fit it in, but thrash really seemed to get no separation

[shally]

If Brandon Lloyd fell down in the forest, would he make a sound?

If Brandon Lloyd was secretly released tonight, would you notice him missing?

Shoot....give me Leslie Shepard or Albert Connell over this malcontent. Anybody have Andre Reed's number? How about D. McCants? Rod Gardner? Where is Henry Ellard? Hey, how about Tydus Winans! Alvin Harper! Hello!

Dang Brandon, you actually make me miss Desmond Howard!

EDELL shepherd is out there as a free agent...

[GibbsFan]

ship him to Buffalo for a 7th rounder :lol1:

[Keino]

Thats kinda funny, I was under the impression that when the wide receiver is jumping the highest he can,(While trying to get in front of the CB) and the ball goes over the fingertips of the receiver, its an overthrown ball.

Campbell should know his wide receivers abilities. To be honest, none of our wideouts can outjump a 6'1 cb.

Again, I am not defending Lloyd on his performance this season. But to put more blame on Lloyd than Campbell on that play is being naive.


You understand that on a bomb, the ball is thrown well before the WR gets to the area. Im not sure what part of "He quit on his route" you don't understand. He clearly quit on the route and since it happenned right in front of me and I have a high enough vantage point to get the whole picture, but am close enough to get a good look and his body language was "Another route fade and the QB isn't looking at me.....Oh Shhhhh the ball is in the air." He quit on the route when he looked back and didn't see the ball coming his way.

The blame on that play belongs to Lloyd. It's not even debateable to anyone who was in that corner of the end-zone. Naive is thinking that a 6'0 WR can't jump with a 6'1 CB.

Again....Lloyd Quit on the Route. His effort to catch the ball was decent, but because he allowed himself to lose positional advantage by slowing down, he should've become the defender on the play. Had he not quit on the route the ball is perfectly placed, thus not an overthrown ball but a WR who gave a half assed effort until it was too late.

[santanadasavior]

For Lloyd to have made that catch it would have been asking a lot of him and most recievers to be blunt. The ball was thrown on the inside of the field and the defender had inside position. Lloyd had to wait to get on the other side of him and try to make the play. What he did was the only chance we had at completing that pass. Lloyd is our 3rd reciever and possibly our 5th passing target (Cooley and whoever is in the backfield). He does need to pick up his game but he is not hurting us in the sense of being on the field non stop like last year. He will make some plays this year and he will be an asset to our passing game down the road.

[shally]

For Lloyd to have made that catch it would have been asking a lot of him and most recievers to be blunt. The ball was thrown on the inside of the field and the defender had inside position. Lloyd had to wait to get on the other side of him and try to make the play. What he did was the only chance we had at completing that pass. Lloyd is our 3rd reciever and possibly our 5th passing target (Cooley and whoever is in the backfield). He does need to pick up his game but he is not hurting us in the sense of being on the field non stop like last year. He will make some plays this year and he will be an asset to our passing game down the road.

it looked to me that lloyd cut inside the corner as he moved from the sideline to the interior of the field. that gave HIM inside position. his leap looked to be lame and he did not take the ball at it's highest point.
it really looked to be a poor effort, but i will give him that he just got his feet tangled or lost his footing, or whatever.
but what followed wasnt. he simply quit on the play and made little effort to catch the corner as he ran back up the field. total lack of hustle and that was inexcusable

[HAWGZHEAD]

Lloyd is our 3rd reciever and possibly our 5th passing target (Cooley and whoever is in the backfield). He does need to pick up his game but he is not hurting us in the sense of being on the field non stop like last year. = Completely useless.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

For Lloyd to have made that catch it would have been asking a lot of him and most recievers to be blunt. The ball was thrown on the inside of the field and the defender had inside position. Lloyd had to wait to get on the other side of him and try to make the play. What he did was the only chance we had at completing that pass. Lloyd is our 3rd reciever and possibly our 5th passing target (Cooley and whoever is in the backfield). He does need to pick up his game but he is not hurting us in the sense of being on the field non stop like last year. He will make some plays this year and he will be an asset to our passing game down the road.

Lloyd is hurting us because we need guys to take advantage of what the D is willing to give us. They clearly cannot put 8 men in the box to stop the run, shade the safety toward Santana and knock Cooley at the LOS to slow his route without leaving Lloyd or ARE single covered on the other side.

A guy with Lloyd's pedigree should be chomping at the bit for that opportunity. Clearly ARE made the most of his chances.

[skinsfan36]

this guy is plucking my nerves noeffort on campbells 2nd int

[The Skinsinator]

A guy with Lloyd's pedigree should be chomping at the bit for that opportunity.The word opportunity doesn't exist in Lloyd's vocabulary. His lack of pursuit after the interception was the last straw. Everyone convienently forgets Portis called him out in January for team dissension. He is a cancer that we need to rid ourselves of now. These are words of realistic assessment not biased opinion. He has consistently been more of a liability than an asset and it's time to cut our losses.

[shally]

The word opportunity doesn't exist in Lloyd's vocabulary. His lack of pursuit after the interception was the last straw. Everyone convienently forgets Portis called him out in January for team dissension. He is a cancer that we need to rid ourselves of now. These are words of realistic assessment not biased opinion. He has consistently been more of a liability than an asset and it's time to cut our losses.

not only that, portis once again smacked the crap out of a larger player (roth ?)
during the run back of the interception.. we dont need to lose portis for this year because lloyd dogs it going after the ball or loafs after the defensive man

sit him or make him inactive

[shally]

Lloyd is hurting us because we need guys to take advantage of what the D is willing to give us. They clearly cannot put 8 men in the box to stop the run, shade the safety toward Santana and knock Cooley at the LOS to slow his route without leaving Lloyd or ARE single covered on the other side.

A guy with Lloyd's pedigree should be chomping at the bit for that opportunity. Clearly ARE made the most of his chances.

and yet, lloyd jumped like a maniac to catch the short pass that JC threw to him later. it was negated by the offense accepting a miami penalty, but the guy has the ability to make plays and that is infuriating..
it is all in his head and nobody seems to be able to motivate the guy, nor does he have enough self pride to motivate himself

[The Skinsinator]

lloyd jumped like a maniac to catch the short pass that JC threw to him later.He is keen enough to realize an opportunity to attain miniscule redemption. We all need to digest the fact that he is and never will be the #2 we need but a misfit unsuited for this team. Even the 49ers realized this. Surely we can.

[shally]

He is keen enough to realize an opportunity to attain miniscule redemption. We all need to digest the fact that he is and never will be the #2 we need but a misfit unsuited for this team. Even the 49ers realized this. Surely we can.

he dropped to number 3 receiver.. maybe they can make him a wedge buster and put those new muscles to good use ?

seriously, i cant see leaving him out there to hang JC out to dry if the pass is not perfectly thrown

[The Iceman]

This team misuses players. Lloyd performed in San Fran. Noone liked him, but atleast he performed. Same way Archuleta performed in St. Louis, but couldn't even keep his job here. We misused him. Same as Walt Harris gets booed out of town, and then goes to a probowl the next year with the Niners. We misuses him.... He actually had another pick tonight. We need to start getting players that can play in our scheme instead of highlight reel players that think they are the scheme.

[themightyjoegibbs]

[QUOTE=
A guy with Lloyd's pedigree should be chomping at the bit for that opportunity. Clearly ARE made the most of his chances.[/QUOTE]

Why would any selfish player chomp at the bit when they have already been paid in advance????

I can see it if he spends too much on his clothes or spends it all on his bogus music career like a music video. But even that would take effort, something he lacks.

This summer I heard he put on like 10-15 pounds but I think it was in jewelry.

If we didn't need him for role call I would send him overseas just so I couldn't watch him no more. Maybe he needs like an '80's montage- a sort of Mr. Miagi crazy training regime to DO HIS DAMN JOB.

[themightyjoegibbs]

This team misuses players. Lloyd performed in San Fran. Noone liked him, but atleast he performed. Same way Archuleta performed in St. Louis, but couldn't even keep his job here. We misused him. Same as Walt Harris gets booed out of town, and then goes to a probowl the next year with the Niners. We misuses him.... He actually had another pick tonight. We need to start getting players that can play in our scheme instead of highlight reel players that think they are the scheme.

I never Booed WALT HARRIS, to get that on the record.

We need to start getting players that can play in our scheme instead of highlight reel players that think they are the scheme

Testify !!!!!!

[shally]

I never Booed WALT HARRIS, to get that on the record.

We need to start getting players that can play in our scheme instead of highlight reel players that think they are the scheme

Testify !!!!!!

i think the front office believed they had a difference maker when they signed lloyd.
they were wrong..

[themightyjoegibbs]

i think the front office believed they had a difference maker when they signed lloyd.
they were wrong..

Shoot, I did too man. I thought possession/deep threat abilities who makes the awesome grab.

Go figure, isn't Jacobs getting praised over there??

Is there some sort of dimension portal between San Fran and DC??

[shally]

Shoot, I did too man. I thought possession/deep threat abilities who makes the awesome grab.

Go figure, isn't Jacobs getting praised over there??

Is there some sort of dimension portal between San Fran and DC??

jacobs got praise for his work in preseason..typical for him.. he is a non factor
in regualr season

[HanburgerBum]

amen.. but really, those days are gone. beasley would have been interesting to have on the team, but they couldnt do anything with him in san fran (except get rid of him) and we wont be able to either . he will be gone next year.
the ostracism of fellow players means not a whole lot when you have that kind of "me first" attitude and are being paid royally.
but they can make him inactive week after week. and that gets everyone's attention


I am not sure making Lloyd inactive every week would actually get his attention. He will probably enjoy it, since he would still get paid big bucks and he wouldn't have to take any hits. To a "soft" player, that may be the best of both worlds.

I think Lloyd realizes that the bonus money he got from the Skins is probably his last sizable payday in pro football. His type of player won't work hard to improve himself for another big pay day. Lloyd and Archuleta are the Skins two worst free agent signings ever. Archeleta at least tried.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I am not sure making Lloyd inactive every week would actually get his attention. He will probably enjoy it, since he would still get paid big bucks and he wouldn't have to take any hits. To a "soft" player, that may be the best of both worlds.

I think Lloyd realizes that the bonus money he got from the Skins is probably his last sizable payday in pro football. His type of player won't work hard to improve himself for another big pay day. Lloyd and Archuleta are the Skins two worst free agent signings ever. Archeleta at least tried.
And did not cost us two mid-round picks.


I don't really understand what there is to discuss anymore regarding Lloyd. He simply does not produce. And this is an offense that so far has allowed every single skill position player except him to produce (Moss, Cooley, Portis, Betts, Randle El). So it's clear that the problem is not the system or the personnel surrounding him, it is just simply him.
And this has little to do with that one specific play. He was horrible last year, and started this year even worse. Really, what is there left to debate? If we have anybody better, demote him to #4 or #5. If not, either look for somebody else or just stick to Moss, Randle El, and Cooley in the passing game.

[American Soldier]

I must admit that I've been on the BLloyd bandwagon since he got here. I'm still hoping his production increases. I saw how high the ball was thrown and how it went through Lloyd's arms. I don't remember his play after the interception. I was not that disappointed with the play in general. But we definitely need more production from him -point blank. The Horse about the implications of cutting him has already been beaten.
If he hasn't recognized that he needs to step it up, he has a bigger problem than not making plays on the football field.

Not trying to make a new thread, but what is your take on Jason's accuracy? That's more of my concern than our 3rd WR play. I don't think you can coach accuracy. If not, our only threat will be the deep pass because that's the only type of through he seems to be comfortable with. You can't keep getting our WRs cracked from having to jump on simply curl patterns. You cannot throw high on routes going into the defense. You can't throw behind on ten yard routes. You have got to get the ball to your playmakers on the short routes in order to create those deep routes. I mean why play up on our receivers if the short/intermediate pass is not a concern. In other words if Moss can't just catch a 5/10 yard pass on the run and start up the field, his play making ability get's diminished.

Or can you coach accuracy?

[warpaint]

And did not cost us two mid-round picks.


I don't really understand what there is to discuss anymore regarding Lloyd. He simply does not produce. And this is an offense that so far has allowed every single skill position player except him to produce (Moss, Cooley, Portis, Betts, Randle El). So it's clear that the problem is not the system or the personnel surrounding him, it is just simply him.
And this has little to do with that one specific play. He was horrible last year, and started this year even worse. Really, what is there left to debate? If we have anybody better, demote him to #4 or #5. If not, either look for somebody else or just stick to Moss, Randle El, and Cooley in the passing game.

I agree with everything you said , I for one am sick and tired of us losing year after year,it seems to me that after a lot of players get that big pay day, they no longer are hungry like they were previously, to go out and give the extra effort on a play could lead to an injury which would limit their other activities non football related,
my question to the fans who think Brandon Lloyd has been treated unfairly here is ?? how long and how many chances does he has to be given to convince you that he is a loser .

[Patrick]

I don't know guys ......... We (hR) might be making a bigger deal over one play than we need too.
ANYONE in the metro area who listens to the sportstalk show - did you hear anyone memtion this or Lloyd at all. I didn't but I wasn't listening all day. And I don't think it was even addressed by any reporters at Gibb's press conference.
If this had really been an issue - I would have thought someone in the media would have jumped on it.
Maybe later this week - I don't know.
IF you don't like the kid I can understand BUT he didn't lose the game for us and really the play turned out to be an non issue.
Time to turn our attention to the Eagles - the Lloyd thing WILL work itself out one way or another.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I don't know guys ......... We (hR) might be making a bigger deal over one play than we need too.
ANYONE in the metro area who listens to the sportstalk show - did you hear anyone memtion this or Lloyd at all. I didn't but I wasn't listening all day. And I don't think it was even addressed by any reporters at Gibb's press conference.
If this had really been an issue - I would have thought someone in the media would have jumped on it.
Maybe later this week - I don't know.
IF you don't like the kid I can understand BUT he didn't lose the game for us and really the play turned out to be an non issue.
Time to turn our attention to the Eagles - the Lloyd thing WILL work itself out one way or another.

And did not cost us two mid-round picks.


I don't really understand what there is to discuss anymore regarding Lloyd. He simply does not produce. And this is an offense that so far has allowed every single skill position player except him to produce (Moss, Cooley, Portis, Betts, Randle El). So it's clear that the problem is not the system or the personnel surrounding him, it is just simply him.
And this has little to do with that one specific play. He was horrible last year, and started this year even worse. Really, what is there left to debate? If we have anybody better, demote him to #4 or #5. If not, either look for somebody else or just stick to Moss, Randle El, and Cooley in the passing game.
.

[Keino]

I don't know guys ......... We (hR) might be making a bigger deal over one play than we need too.
ANYONE in the metro area who listens to the sportstalk show - did you hear anyone memtion this or Lloyd at all. I didn't but I wasn't listening all day. And I don't think it was even addressed by any reporters at Gibb's press conference.
If this had really been an issue - I would have thought someone in the media would have jumped on it.
Maybe later this week - I don't know.
IF you don't like the kid I can understand BUT he didn't lose the game for us and really the play turned out to be an non issue.
Time to turn our attention to the Eagles - the Lloyd thing WILL work itself out one way or another.

On our way home from the stadium, this topic occupied at least half of the phone calls into Scott Jackson's show and Brian Mitchell definitely mentioned it when he called in.

[redskin_rich]

On our way home from the stadium, this topic occupied at least half of the phone calls into Scott Jackson's show and Brian Mitchell definitely mentioned it when he called in.

Yeah, George Micheal and Sonny showed the play to Buges yesterday, more in reference to the bad pass and Buges said that first off, the WR has to give a better effort going for the ball.

I'm pretty sure Lloyd heard all about it in the film room.

[Patrick]

On our way home from the stadium, this topic occupied at least half of the phone calls into Scott Jackson's show and Brian Mitchell definitely mentioned it when he called in.
?........ Did B-Mitch bring it up as a issue yesterday on the John Thompson Show ........ I miss most of that now that they've changed time slots.
And do you know if Doc Walker made memtion of it?
Like I said - I don't know cause I wasn't able to here much feedback about the game yesterday. ......dern work thing!

[shally]

Yeah, George Micheal and Sonny showed the play to Buges yesterday, more in reference to the bad pass and Buges said that first off, the WR has to give a better effort going for the ball.

I'm pretty sure Lloyd heard all about it in the film room.

it cannot be the first time lloyd has heard it, but it seems to not make much difference.. he simply is not productive

[skinsfan36]

does anyone else see uss signing that vet reciever gabriel/mccardel any day now?

[shally]

does anyone else see uss signing that vet reciever gabriel/mccardel any day now?

i think they need to see what they have in boddiford..

but iwas encouraged by what gibbs said when asked whether it had to be another o lineman to replace jansen when he goes on IR.. he said, no, it could be another position.. i keep hoping it is another wideout, but i will believe it when it actually happens

[Keino]

?........ Did B-Mitch bring it up as a issue yesterday on the John Thompson Show ........ I miss most of that now that they've changed time slots.
And do you know if Doc Walker made memtion of it?
Like I said - I don't know cause I wasn't able to here much feedback about the game yesterday. ......dern work thing!

That I don't know, as I don't listen to live streaming at work and I am now back in Tampa.

My feeling is that Buges and anyone who questions Lloyds effort on that particular play are correct.

[culpeper]

ive read some people saying on here that if it were moss or ARE they would have caught/got a hand on the ball. SHUT UP! what is your basis for that remark? you have more faith in them? it makes no sense to say a smaller wide out WOULD have caught the ball. IT WAS A JUMP BALL!!!

and for the record, i watched the replay another 20 times last night and lloyd DOES get his hand on the ball. HE ACTUALLY CATCHES IT!!! but the db pulled it out of his hands.

it was a great throw by campbell. give your guys a chance to earn their money. how can you be blamed for overthrowing a ball from 50 some yards out? STUPID!!!

campbell let a few balls float on him sunday. he resorted back to his old throwing motion. easy fix...

[RedskinsDave]

I just got word that Lloyd decided to leave but he realized how far the doors were and is staying now.

[Patrick]

ive read some people saying on here that if it were moss or ARE they would have caught/got a hand on the ball. SHUT UP! what is your basis for that remark? you have more faith in them? it makes no sense to say a smaller wide out WOULD have caught the ball. IT WAS A JUMP BALL!!!

and for the record, i watched the replay another 20 times last night and lloyd DOES get his hand on the ball. HE ACTUALLY CATCHES IT!!! but the db pulled it out of his hands.

it was a great throw by campbell. give your guys a chance to earn their money. how can you be blamed for overthrowing a ball from 50 some yards out? STUPID!!!

campbell let a few balls float on him sunday. he resorted back to his old throwing motion. easy fix...

With all due respect Culpeper - Everyone is entitled to there opinion and to ask them to "Shut Up" is totally out of line. Please stop.

[Keino]

ive read some people saying on here that if it were moss or ARE they would have caught/got a hand on the ball. SHUT UP! what is your basis for that remark? you have more faith in them? it makes no sense to say a smaller wide out WOULD have caught the ball. IT WAS A JUMP BALL!!!

and for the record, i watched the replay another 20 times last night and lloyd DOES get his hand on the ball. HE ACTUALLY CATCHES IT!!! but the db pulled it out of his hands.

it was a great throw by campbell. give your guys a chance to earn their money. how can you be blamed for overthrowing a ball from 50 some yards out? STUPID!!!

campbell let a few balls float on him sunday. he resorted back to his old throwing motion. easy fix...

They don't give up on their routes. Thats why people are saying that. The ball wasn't overthrown, it was perfectly placed.

[smoak]

i think the reason we cant was explained by gibbs this afternoon.. cooley was involved in blocking. the reason that the colts can do what they do with clark is that their o line is better at pass blocking.. and peyton can get rid of the ball faster than the defense can get to him

Yeah, but I am saying have a two TE set with Yoder doing the blocking and Cooley out wide. Just a thought. Plus Indy is going to need to help more if that rookie left tackle doesn't improve. He pass blocking was actually ok, but he lack any kind of "nastiness" in the running game. He looked soft to me.

i am coming around to the concept of thrash trying to be a number 3.. but lack of speed and separation is the reason the eagles gave up on thrash.. and when the skins needed him to step up, he simply did not have the speed to get it done.. maybe brunell couldnt or wouldnt fit it in, but thrash really seemed to get no separation

Trust me, I am NOT saying Thrash is my ideal answer, but as a rotational #3 and Cooley playing outside, he can at least match Lloys numbers of 0-0-0-0.

:D

[smoak]

For Lloyd to have made that catch it would have been asking a lot of him and most recievers to be blunt. The ball was thrown on the inside of the field and the defender had inside position. Lloyd had to wait to get on the other side of him and try to make the play. What he did was the only chance we had at completing that pass. Lloyd is our 3rd reciever and possibly our 5th passing target (Cooley and whoever is in the backfield). He does need to pick up his game but he is not hurting us in the sense of being on the field non stop like last year. He will make some plays this year and he will be an asset to our passing game down the road.

I'm looking forward to seeing the replay on NFL Network tonight at 10:30, b/c from the upper deck, I agree completely with keino (only that I didn't watch the route develop as long as he did b/c I was watching Campbell).

[hail2skins]

ive read some people saying on here that if it were moss or ARE they would have caught/got a hand on the ball. SHUT UP! what is your basis for that remark? you have more faith in them? it makes no sense to say a smaller wide out WOULD have caught the ball. IT WAS A JUMP BALL!!!

and for the record, i watched the replay another 20 times last night and lloyd DOES get his hand on the ball. HE ACTUALLY CATCHES IT!!! but the db pulled it out of his hands.

it was a great throw by campbell. give your guys a chance to earn their money. how can you be blamed for overthrowing a ball from 50 some yards out? STUPID!!!

campbell let a few balls float on him sunday. he resorted back to his old throwing motion. easy fix...Where do you get off telling folks on this board to shut up. Everyone here is entitled to their opinion just like you are entitled to yours. Don't let this happen again.

Oh, and BTW Randle-El did go up and over a CB for a jump ball and came down with it. The think you are not getting is that Lloyd gave up on that route at about the 20 yard line.

[shally]

Yeah, but I am saying have a two TE set with Yoder doing the blocking and Cooley out wide. Just a thought. Plus Indy is going to need to help more if that rookie left tackle doesn't improve. He pass blocking was actually ok, but he lack any kind of "nastiness" in the running game. He looked soft to me.



Trust me, I am NOT saying Thrash is my ideal answer, but as a rotational #3 and Cooley playing outside, he can at least match Lloys numbers of 0-0-0-0.

:D

hard to not do better.. i think as samuels proves he needs no help coming back from injury and inactivity it will leave yoder free for the right side. if wade can handle cole 1 on 1 we are going to get treated to a lot of patterns inthe secondary

[smoak]

it cannot be the first time lloyd has heard it, but it seems to not make much difference.. he simply is not productive

Remember the Saints game where he dropped abomb and there was an article after the season about how Saunders asked hgim if he lost it in the lights and BL went off ripping Campbell for overthrowing him.

Hopefully he enjoys his next career as Michael Westbrook's sparring partner.

[James F. Quinn]

amen.. but really, those days are gone. beasley would have been interesting to have on the team, but they couldnt do anything with him in san fran (except get rid of him) and we wont be able to either . he will be gone next year.
the ostracism of fellow players means not a whole lot when you have that kind of "me first" attitude and are being paid royally.
but they can make him inactive week after week. and that gets everyone's attention

After the TO experience in Phiily, didn't they put in a rule that the inactive list cannot be used for punishment?

I'm surprised at the level of venom toward Lloyd. One game does not a season make. Game conditions often take a guy out of contention for much action. No one expects ARE to have an endless series of 5-6 catch games. No One expects Cooley to wind up the season with a total of 16 catches [his current projection].

I'd like to see Lloyd play a few more games before rushing to judgment. the coaches see BL in practice every day, so they must see potential in him.

Of course, everybody has a perfect right to rant and rave, but it seems a bit premature.

[I don't have Ade around to defend any more, so I'm adpting BL. ;-)]

[SpicyMcHaggis]

After the TO experience in Phiily, didn't they put in a rule that the inactive list cannot be used for punishment?

I'm surprised at the level of venom toward Lloyd. One game does not a season make. Game conditions often take a guy out of contention for much action. No one expects ARE to have an endless series of 5-6 catch games. No One expects Cooley to wind up the season with a total of 16 catches [his current projection].

I'd like to see Lloyd play a few more games before rushing to judgment. the coaches see BL in practice every day, so they must see potential in him.

Of course, everybody has a perfect right to rant and rave, but it seems a bit premature.

[I don't have Ade around to defend any more, so I'm adpting BL. ;-)]
But does one game + a whole season a season make?

[smoak]

After the TO experience in Phiily, didn't they put in a rule that the inactive list cannot be used for punishment?

I'm surprised at the level of venom toward Lloyd. One game does not a season make. Game conditions often take a guy out of contention for much action. No one expects ARE to have an endless series of 5-6 catch games. No One expects Cooley to wind up the season with a total of 16 catches [his current projection].

I'd like to see Lloyd play a few more games before rushing to judgment. the coaches see BL in practice every day, so they must see potential in him.

Of course, everybody has a perfect right to rant and rave, but it seems a bit premature.

[I don't have Ade around to defend any more, so I'm adpting BL. ;-)]

Given that I am normally in your shoes (defend players from attacks here) b/c I try to love and support every player in the BnG... But I can NOT accept a quitter. I just can't. Ade's faults were not from lack of effort on the field and at least he contributed to special teams every week. It really is hard for me to think of a worse player for the Redskins in my lifetime. I stuck up for almost all of them including Frost, the Turk brothers, Jimoh, the revolving door of kickers... I can't remember a guy who has given less effort than Lloyd.

[culpeper]

sorry to everyone who took offense to me saying 'shut up'. it was uncalled for and DO respect everyones opinion on the matter. once again...sorry.

[James F. Quinn]

hard to not do better.. i think as samuels proves he needs no help coming back from injury and inactivity it will leave yoder free for the right side. if wade can handle cole 1 on 1 we are going to get treated to a lot of patterns inthe secondary

Don't you think the Eagles will put Kearse over Wade?

[culpeper]

Oh, and BTW Randle-El did go up and over a CB for a jump ball and came down with it. The think you are not getting is that Lloyd gave up on that route at about the 20 yard line.

this play was not even in the same catagory of 'jump balls'. that route was planned that way. i see your point, but saying BL didnt make an effort at that 500 ball is rediculous.

[James F. Quinn]

But does one game + a whole season a season make?
I'm leaning toward thinking that last season was not a very good one for almost everyone on the team. Kind of atypical.

But I appreciate your point.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I'm leaning toward thinking that last season was not a very good one for almost everyone on the team. Kind of atypical.

But I appreciate your point.
But then how do you explain the fact that everybody else is able to produce (Cooley, Moss, Portis, Betts, ARE), and Lloyd is not?

[shally]

Don't you think the Eagles will put Kearse over Wade?

i thought that kearse played the right end spot, but i could be wrong on that..
you would think that kearse would go over the weaker man, but sometimes samuels has problems with speed rushers..
either way, if kearse is healthy, someone had better put a hat on him all game

[Keino]

this play was not even in the same catagory of 'jump balls'. that route was planned that way. i see your point, but saying BL didnt make an effort at that 500 ball is rediculous.


He gave up on his route. That is where his effort comes into question. His effort on the catch amounted to "too little too late"

PS. Ridiculous is spelled R-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s. The Prefix "re" implies doing something again, repeating or going back. If you are going to write that something is deserving of ridicule (the definition of ridiculous) then I think there is a moral obligation to be beyond reproach and not subject yourself to ridicule by having a lack of command of the English language.

[skinsfan36]

good news one of my friends was listening to triple x and they said we are working out a reciever today. gibbs also apparently said that he was considering bring another wr in

[dj_stouty]

I agree that Lloyd gave up on the route, but from what I could see on TV, JC appeared to pump the ball as many as 3 times which made me believe the entire timing of the route was off to begin with. I didn't like the chances of the play the moment he started pumping the ball...and the fact that Lloyd was the target makes it even more terrible.

At some point, JC is going to lose trust in Lloyd (if it hasn't happened already)...so no matter where he lays on the depth chart and no matter how many plays he is on the field for, he may never see the ball again.

We have seen that ARE is quick enough to beat defenders...and we know Moss can do it as well. They may be small, but they can usually leap with the best of them. Put them out there with Thrash for the medium routes and we should be fine. Lloyd should be sitting pine for all I care.

[culpeper]

He gave up on his route. That is where his effort comes into question. His effort on the catch amounted to "too little too late"

PS. Ridiculous is spelled R-i-d-i-c-u-l-o-u-s. The Prefix "re" implies doing something again, repeating or going back. If you are going to write that something is deserving of ridicule (the definition of ridiculous) then I think there is a moral obligation to be beyond reproach and subject yourself to ridicule by having a lack of command of the English language.

you obviously feel very strongly towards this issue. so it doesnt make much sense for me to argue with an irrational view. but i still think this is just an overreaction. BL severly disappointed us last year. but you cant say (not you inparticular, just a general 'you') im giving him a chance this year and then the very first thing you do is attack him. he made a great effort for the ball IMO. if he would have not let the DB take it out of his hands, we would all be saying how hes turned his LIFE around.

i appreciate the english/spelling lesson. but i didnt go after hail2skins for putting 'thing' instead of 'think'. i knew what he meant. seems im not the only one attacking here. but when you get irrational, you tend to try and demean others because youve run out of excuses, right?

[Moe]

i thought that kearse played the right end spot, but i could be wrong on that..
you would think that kearse would go over the weaker man, but sometimes samuels has problems with speed rushers..
either way, if kearse is healthy, someone had better put a hat on him all game

Kearse sometimes switches spots but he's primarily been a LDE (over RT) for his career.
I think I'd prefer him face Samuels this week since he can't run like he used to, however he still might be savvy enough to confuse Heyer should he play RT. If Wade is in, the point is moot.

[Keino]

Actually, this is the first time I've been especially critical of Lloyd. I had/have high hopes from him, but his effort was lackluster and unacceptable.

I don't mind mistakes of the physical kind. Hell even mental mistakes are excusable at times, but I cannot forgive lack of effort. It makes me question a players' heart when they give less that 100% effort.

Edit: I should also mention it is only irrational to continue to argue that full effort was given when multiple people are telling you he quit on the route. So do I feel strongly about him quitting on the route? Yes, but strong feelings do not make one irrational. Irrational is terming a perfectly placed ball a "500 Ball" as if it were thrown up for grabs.

[culpeper]

Actually, this is the first time I've been especially critical of Lloyd. I had/have high hopes from him, but his effort was lackluster and unacceptable.

I don't mind mistakes of the physical kind. Hell even mental mistakes are excusable at times, but I cannot forgive lack of effort. It makes me question a players' heart when they give less that 100% effort.

i agree 100% when we are talking about BL trying to make the tackle. NO ONE can defend him there.

[shally]

good news one of my friends was listening to triple x and they said we are working out a reciever today. gibbs also apparently said that he was considering bring another wr in

dear Lord, let is please be true...

[HanburgerBum]

And did not cost us two mid-round picks.


I don't really understand what there is to discuss anymore regarding Lloyd. He simply does not produce. And this is an offense that so far has allowed every single skill position player except him to produce (Moss, Cooley, Portis, Betts, Randle El). So it's clear that the problem is not the system or the personnel surrounding him, it is just simply him.
And this has little to do with that one specific play. He was horrible last year, and started this year even worse. Really, what is there left to debate? If we have anybody better, demote him to #4 or #5. If not, either look for somebody else or just stick to Moss, Randle El, and Cooley in the passing game.


Probably the only discussion remaining is how to prevent Lloyd from becoming such a cancer as to drag the team down. Even though he seems to be a "soft" player, history shows that his mouth is neither shy nor retiring. He will probably not take kindly to any ostensible demotion and he likely won't fade quietly into the corner of the locker room. He will start pouting, pointing fingers at others and blame everybody except himself the first time something goes wrong.

He will be like that relative that stayed way past his projected visit. You can't wait for him to leave, but circumstances (cap room in this case) prevent him from doing so.

Lloyd will be Gibbs biggest headache this season. How Joe handles him may well decide the team's fate in 2007. If BL blows up, is the team allowed to suspend him and thus vacate a roster spot? Has the Terrell Owens fiasco in Philly eliminated that as a possibility?

[shally]

Probably the only discussion remaining is how to prevent Lloyd from becoming such a cancer as to drag the team down. Even though he seems to be a "soft" player, history shows that his mouth is neither shy nor retiring. He will probably not take kindly to any ostensible demotion and he likely won't fade quietly into the corner of the locker room. He will start pouting, pointing fingers at others and blame everybody except himself the first time something goes wrong.

He will be like that relative that stayed way past his projected visit. You can't wait for him to leave, but circumstances (cap room in this case) prevent him from doing so.

Lloyd will be Gibbs biggest headache this season. How Joe handles him may well decide the team's fate in 2007. If BL blows up, is the team allowed to suspend him and thus vacate a roster spot? Has the Terrell Owens fiasco in Philly eliminated that as a possibility?

i think the rules have changed.. maybe 4 games maximum ? but i do not think there is any reason why they couldnt keep him inactive as many times as they wish
and thus far, all lloyd has done this season is play poorly..

[HanburgerBum]

After the TO experience in Phiily, didn't they put in a rule that the inactive list cannot be used for punishment?

I'm surprised at the level of venom toward Lloyd. One game does not a season make. Game conditions often take a guy out of contention for much action. No one expects ARE to have an endless series of 5-6 catch games. No One expects Cooley to wind up the season with a total of 16 catches [his current projection].

I'd like to see Lloyd play a few more games before rushing to judgment. the coaches see BL in practice every day, so they must see potential in him.

Of course, everybody has a perfect right to rant and rave, but it seems a bit premature.

[I don't have Ade around to defend any more, so I'm adpting BL. ;-)]


I applaud your courage for taking up an unpopular cause. I guess everyone is entitled to a vigorous defense.

My take now as to why Lloyd is still here is that it has very little to do with his potential. Washington simply doesn't have the cap room to get rid of him, and it is not even clear if there would be enough cap room next offseason. This is how a really bad FA signing can be a smelly fish that lingers for years. The Skins are extremly lucky that Chicago bailed them out on the Archuleta fiasco. As an added bonus, didn't that 6th rounder from the Bears turned out to be Blades?

If the inactive list can no longer be used as punishment for a player, how about the suspension list? The first time Lloyd blows up (between his demotion and his lack of production, it will happen), suspend him.

[Slobberknocker]

Well, it didn't take long. Danny makes wishes come true. I imagine the only shot BLoyd has now is to dig in and prove he's a fighter. So it's win-win, I guess. Consider we traded a 3 and a 4 for Caldwell and it's a wash.

I didn't think you'd buy that.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Probably the only discussion remaining is how to prevent Lloyd from becoming such a cancer as to drag the team down. Even though he seems to be a "soft" player, history shows that his mouth is neither shy nor retiring. He will probably not take kindly to any ostensible demotion and he likely won't fade quietly into the corner of the locker room. He will start pouting, pointing fingers at others and blame everybody except himself the first time something goes wrong.

He will be like that relative that stayed way past his projected visit. You can't wait for him to leave, but circumstances (cap room in this case) prevent him from doing so.

Lloyd will be Gibbs biggest headache this season. How Joe handles him may well decide the team's fate in 2007. If BL blows up, is the team allowed to suspend him and thus vacate a roster spot? Has the Terrell Owens fiasco in Philly eliminated that as a possibility?
Perhaps hiring an assassin could be a possibility? Don't know the cap consequences though...

[HAWGZHEAD]

Perhaps hiring an assassin could be a possibility? Don't know the cap consequences though...
Put him in against the iggles solely for taking a cheap shot to Westbrook's knee taking him out for the game. He gets suspended and we win the game!! :D

[swheeler]

The reason he is still on the team is the salary cap rules. OK. Make him the 53rd player and inactive for all remaining games. Or use him as a live tackling dummy for ST and LL in practice.

Yup, if he's on IR he's not doing any harm...

[lorimike]

I didn't see the return, but I can tell you that had it been Moss or Randle El it would have been a TD. The Skins have run that play quite a bit with success. The WR jumps in front of the CB to catch the ball. I believe that it is a designed play. So that pick is more on B. Lloyd and not Jason.<<<

I agree. The better receivers get in position and make that play. At the very least it's an incomplete pass. Brandon Lloyd made some great catches in San Fran but has been a total bust here. He's going to get more chances because I can see Campbell favors the downfield passes over the checkdowns so I think eventually Lloyd will get some more shots.

[MadDog97]

dear Lord, let is please be true...

You got your wish. Caldwell is a Redskin. Now, the clock is ticking on Brandon Lloyd. I was willing to give him another year, but he just burned his bridge to respect for me.

[skinfanjon]

I applaud your courage for taking up an unpopular cause. I guess everyone is entitled to a vigorous defense.

My take now as to why Lloyd is still here is that it has very little to do with his potential. Washington simply doesn't have the cap room to get rid of him, and it is not even clear if there would be enough cap room next offseason. This is how a really bad FA signing can be a smelly fish that lingers for years. The Skins are extremly lucky that Chicago bailed them out on the Archuleta fiasco. As an added bonus, didn't that 6th rounder from the Bears turned out to be Blades?

If the inactive list can no longer be used as punishment for a player, how about the suspension list? The first time Lloyd blows up (between his demotion and his lack of production, it will happen), suspend him.

Lloyd can be placed on the inactive list as much as we like, because he has done absolutely diddly squat since we signed him. It would simply be a case of putting our worst players on the bench, which most teams tend to do. TO's situation was entirely different because there was no doubt it was a punishment unrelated to productivity.

Now that Caldwell is here, I figure Lloyd will be phased out in short order. It's too much to ask for Reche to be ready for Monday, but next week and certainly after the bye I expect him to take over whatever Lloyd's role is supposed to be in this offense. I would define said role but he hasn't provided enough evidence in his season+1 game to give any indication what it is.

And I know I'm way late to this thing, but he definitely quit on his route on the interception. He tried to recover and made a decent effort to even get close, but if he ran his route properly that is a TD. That was the last straw for him.

[Battle Cat]

Lloyd has aprox 1 game and a half to prove his worth to this team and if not he will be so far down the depth chart he wont have the chance. It will take Caldwell at least a couple of weeks to get the play book down after that if Lloyd hasnt did anything they will try to force him to special teams and when he refuses to go he will be made inactive.

[shally]

You got your wish. Caldwell is a Redskin. Now, the clock is ticking on Brandon Lloyd. I was willing to give him another year, but he just burned his bridge to respect for me.

we just increased our passing offense by 30%

lloyd gets further marginalized with every game

[smoak]

you obviously feel very strongly towards this issue. so it doesnt make much sense for me to argue with an irrational view. but i still think this is just an overreaction. BL severly disappointed us last year. but you cant say (not you inparticular, just a general 'you') im giving him a chance this year and then the very first thing you do is attack him. he made a great effort for the ball IMO. if he would have not let the DB take it out of his hands, we would all be saying how hes turned his LIFE around.


Now that I have seen the NFL replay, I don't think there is a conclusive angle as the camera doesn't show the route develope... But anyone who was there felt BL gave up on the play.

All that aside, how do you justify him giving up on the defender??? #26 on the Dolphins clearly turns to make a block on BL and that is when you can the defenders reaction just screams, "oh he won't be no trouble" as he turns back and heads upfield.

I get your point about giving someone a chance, but HE blew it. If you don't think so then we can agree to disagree, but how to justify the man giving up on his teammates when Clinton Portis was basically lost for the season last year making a tackle in PRE SEASON!!! Lloyd is gutless and didn't want to get hit. Period.

[culpeper]

Now that I have seen the NFL replay, I don't think there is a conclusive angle as the camera doesn't show the route develope... But anyone who was there felt BL gave up on the play.

All that aside, how do you justify him giving up on the defender??? #26 on the Dolphins clearly turns to make a block on BL and that is when you can the defenders reaction just screams, "oh he won't be no trouble" as he turns back and heads upfield.

I get your point about giving someone a chance, but HE blew it. If you don't think so then we can agree to disagree, but how to justify the man giving up on his teammates when Clinton Portis was basically lost for the season last year making a tackle in PRE SEASON!!! Lloyd is gutless and didn't want to get hit. Period.

i dont, wont, cant defend that. that is the part of this where we agree 100%.

and to strengthen your point, i seem to remember two or three times where COLES hustled on an INT and make huge game changing plays for us. bebee (sp?) in the superbowl against the cowboys. every receiver needs to realize at that instance, they can change a game just as much as catching a TD.

[shally]

i dont, wont, cant defend that. that is the part of this where we agree 100%.

and to strengthen your point, i seem to remember two or three times where COLES hustled on an INT and make huge game changing plays for us. bebee (sp?) in the superbowl against the cowboys. every receiver needs to realize at that instance, they can change a game just as much as catching a TD.

coles had issues, but lack of toughness or being competitive was not one of them

[SpicyMcHaggis]

coles had issues, but lack of toughness or being competitive was not one of them
Yeah..his problem was more lack of a toe.

[wewantdallas]

I don't even think the PLAYERS like Lloyd. Portis and Samuels were openly MOCKING him on the "Players Club" show that will air on Saturday. I was editing it last night, and it was quite funny. Portis was talking to Samuels about Samuels' rapping abilities, and then they started to make fun of Lloyd's rapping "abilities." (Anyone who saw him rap last year on TV knows how bad it was) They then high-fived each other and laughed at him more. If this was a military unit, Lloyd strikes me as the guy they'd send out as the guinea pig to cross a mine field. What a terrible decision to bring him here.

[shally]

I don't even think the PLAYERS like Lloyd. Portis and Samuels were openly MOCKING him on the "Players Club" show that will air on Saturday. I was editing it last night, and it was quite funny. Portis was talking to Samuels about Samuels' rapping abilities, and then they started to make fun of Lloyd's rapping "abilities." (Anyone who saw him rap last year on TV knows how bad it was) They then high-fived each other and laughed at him more. If this was a military unit, Lloyd strikes me as the guy they'd send out as the guinea pig to cross a mine field. What a terrible decision to bring him here.


somebody should have spoken to beasley... of course, at that time beas was a niner.. but i bet there were enough players who would have said something

[firehawk157]

I don't even think the PLAYERS like Lloyd. Portis and Samuels were openly MOCKING him on the "Players Club" show that will air on Saturday. I was editing it last night, and it was quite funny. Portis was talking to Samuels about Samuels' rapping abilities, and then they started to make fun of Lloyd's rapping "abilities." (Anyone who saw him rap last year on TV knows how bad it was) They then high-fived each other and laughed at him more. If this was a military unit, Lloyd strikes me as the guy they'd send out as the guinea pig to cross a mine field. What a terrible decision to bring him here.
That's HILARIOUS!!! It's nice to see he can't be a cancer because they already cut him out (at least, it appears so).

Lloyd is on his second chance and while I don't think one play a season makes, so far, he's not exactly running away with it either. If he can show up big, he can keep Caldwell as a spot duty guy (first downs and redzone). If he chooses to keep giving up during the middle of plays, then he will see a David Pattenesque drop.

[RedHokieSkin]

I heard David Boston was just released by the Bucs....hmmmm.....

[shally]

I heard David Boston was just released by the Bucs....hmmmm.....

injury settlement, i believe...

[Redskin4Life]

I heard David Boston was just released by the Bucs....hmmmm.....
Are you thinking what I'm thinking.... Gruden's trying to win at all costs.

[firehawk157]

The Bucs are one of the most WR starved teams in the league, worse than us. Galloway is good, but like 80 years old and nobody has even begun to step up beside him. No to Bucs castoffs!

[Redskin4Life]

The Bucs are one of the most WR starved teams in the league, worse than us. Galloway is good, but like 80 years old and nobody has even begun to step up beside him. No to Bucs castoffs!
I think RHS was thinking about us trading Lloyd to them....

[VegasSkinsFan]

The Bucs are one of the most WR starved teams in the league, worse than us. Galloway is good, but like 80 years old and nobody has even begun to step up beside him. No to Bucs castoffs!

Too bad we cant trade him to the bucs for a young de. Cap hit would hurt us. I am still going to give lloyd a couple more games before I give up on him. If he gets his head in the game, all it will take it 1 long JC to BL bomb( assuming he catches it ) and oppsing defenses will not know what to do after that. Come on Brandon....step up because honestly your days might be numbered. GO SKINS !!!!!

[JsMaViSd]

I heard David Boston was just released by the Bucs....hmmmm.....

Boston was released for a DUI charge he received

[culpeper]

I don't even think the PLAYERS like Lloyd. Portis and Samuels were openly MOCKING him on the "Players Club" show that will air on Saturday. I was editing it last night, and it was quite funny. Portis was talking to Samuels about Samuels' rapping abilities, and then they started to make fun of Lloyd's rapping "abilities." (Anyone who saw him rap last year on TV knows how bad it was) They then high-fived each other and laughed at him more. If this was a military unit, Lloyd strikes me as the guy they'd send out as the guinea pig to cross a mine field. What a terrible decision to bring him here.

wow. thats really unfortunate.

well if thats really how they feel about him, i dont believe he COULD become a cancer in the locker room. if they dont respect him enough to make fun of him on camera, they darn sure dont care if hes pouting in the corner or badmouthing coaches.

i hope there is something behind that. like they are friends enough to joke on each other openly like that. regardless, if he doesnt produce, who cares...

[JasonCampbell]

There is a B. Lloyd video on Redskins.com now. Kinda uncomfortable.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

There is a B. Lloyd video on Redskins.com now. Kinda uncomfortable.
Wow.

Well, he is right on one thing. He is an "established guy". It's established that he sucks.

[culpeper]

There is a B. Lloyd video on Redskins.com now. Kinda uncomfortable.

considering nothing else....BL has the right attitude. or at least he is saying the right things in the media. hes obviously trying to give himself a CHANCE...

[wewantdallas]

considering nothing else....BL has the right attitude. or at least he is saying the right things in the media. hes obviously trying to give himself a CHANCE...

From what I've heard, he ALWAYS says the right things but doesn't always mean them. The implication was that that's one of the reasons he got on the team, with a highlight reel and a lot of well-rehearsed talk that made it seem like he was dedicated and a character guy, with neither of those qualities manifesting themselves on the field for the last two years.

He's like those people that do great in the interview and then suck on the job. I honestly hope he can turn it around here, but it is a very fleeting hope. I don't think he has the respect of anyone on this team right now, so he better damn well go out and earn it soon if he wants to continue in the NFL. Because he will NOT make it as a rapper, trust me. He'll be playing Chuck E. Cheese matinees with Darnerian McCants, if he's lucky...

[HanburgerBum]

somebody should have spoken to beasley... of course, at that time beas was a niner.. but i bet there were enough players who would have said something


Signs of trouble exhibited by Lloyd were there for anyone to see. I remember reading an article about his confrontation with Niner teammates. And, despite being the No. 1 receiver in SF, he had never had big production.

But, the Skins were so mesmerized by his acrobatic catches on films that they looked the other way. The FO really dropped the ball on this one and on Archuleta.

[shally]

Signs of trouble exhibited by Lloyd were there for anyone to see. I remember reading an article about his confrontation with Niner teammates. And, despite being the No. 1 receiver in SF, he had never had big production.

But, the Skins were so mesmerized by his acrobatic catches on films that they looked the other way. The FO really dropped the ball on this one and on Archuleta.
add in fauria and duckett and that was one special offseason...

[culpeper]

From what I've heard, he ALWAYS says the right things but doesn't always mean them. The implication was that that's one of the reasons he got on the team, with a highlight reel and a lot of well-rehearsed talk that made it seem like he was dedicated and a character guy, with neither of those qualities manifesting themselves on the field for the last two years.

He's like those people that do great in the interview and then suck on the job. I honestly hope he can turn it around here, but it is a very fleeting hope. I don't think he has the respect of anyone on this team right now, so he better damn well go out and earn it soon if he wants to continue in the NFL. Because he will NOT make it as a rapper, trust me. He'll be playing Chuck E. Cheese matinees with Darnerian McCants, if he's lucky...

crap...oh well. im still cheering for him. heres to hoping he can turn things around :beer:

[colkurtz]

I suspect we will have a few more games with Brandon Lloyd as a Redskins starter - but no more than that. He will have a little more time to fulfill his potential - but that will be it. Never met the hype and never will. I see him on the inactive list by mid-season or sooner.

[themightyjoegibbs]

It's obvious he is just using us for that Super Bowl platinum ring they'll get in February.

[SkinFan in BigD]

Boston was released for a DUI charge he received

David Boston still exists?

[shally]

David Boston still exists?

actually, yes..i think he had a pretty decent preseason.. but, now, i dont know if he gets any more chances

[Homer07]

Boston was released for a DUI charge he received

least he "received" something!