Thought Brandon Lloyd was grown up...[merged with video game thread]

[firehawk157]

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601660.html)

Here's another piece on Lloyd. Just goes to show you he DOESN'T GET IT! This quote in particular makes me shake my head.

He also envies more than Randle El's ring; he sees the kind of veteran he wants to someday be.

"I know we're close in age, but I want to mature into that kind of guy," Lloyd said. "When I'm mature, I want to be secure and confident like him. As a person. He's one of those guys, you look at, like, 'I want to try to be like him.' Suddenly, Lloyd bursts out laughing. "And then I think, 'Yeah, I'll start next year.' "

Lloyd, your only a year or two younger. You are about two games from being a #4 receiver and it'll be very hard to recover from there. Ask Darinien McCants.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Llyod just doesnt get it does he, he thinks everything is one big joke, well the jokes o0n him. Hopefully he invested his signing bonus wisely because he may need it...starting next year.

[firehawk157]

Llyod just doesnt get it does he, he thinks everything is one big joke, well the jokes o0n him. Hopefully he invested his signing bonus wisely because he may need it...starting next year.
I think his problem is he never HAD to be serious. He just was able to get by on pure physical talent and now everyone is at least as talented as him, so he's a bit lost...

[smoak]

The subject and player is dead to me at this point. I am moving on and my eexpectations are that his stats will be about as good as they were last week if not a little worse.

[Hr fan]

Doc Walker said tonight is BL's (last) chance. I believe Caldwell will be inactive because he doesn't know the O yet. Once he gets it BL will either have produced or he will be inactive for the rest of his 'Skins career. As to the article, I would agree he just doesn't get it. He is waiting for something to come to him, not going out and seizing the opportunity.

[firehawk157]

Thank god, I've eaten about all the crow I can eat about this guy. We WILL find a way to kick his butt to the curb next season, June 1st exemption maybe?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The subject and player is dead to me at this point. I am moving on and my eexpectations are that his stats will be about as good as they were last week if not a little worse.
Amen.

[shally]

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601660.html)

Here's another piece on Lloyd. Just goes to show you he DOESN'T GET IT! This quote in particular makes me shake my head.



Lloyd, your only a year or two younger. You are about two games from being a #4 receiver and it'll be very hard to recover from there. Ask Darinien McCants.

the last sentence says it all... jaw dropping immaturity

[guinness4health]

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601660.html)

Here's another piece on Lloyd. Just goes to show you he DOESN'T GET IT! This quote in particular makes me shake my head.



Lloyd, your only a year or two younger. You are about two games from being a #4 receiver and it'll be very hard to recover from there. Ask Darinien McCants.

I thought the exact same thing....HE IS MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO SUPPORT HIM.....

I want him to be successful but it is hard for me to imagine it happening

[BigCountry]

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601660.html)

Here's another piece on Lloyd. Just goes to show you he DOESN'T GET IT! This quote in particular makes me shake my head.



Lloyd, your only a year or two younger. You are about two games from being a #4 receiver and it'll be very hard to recover from there. Ask Darinien McCants.

At least he was a 4th reciever that dated Vivica A Fox. That's more impressive then anything Lloyd has done as a Redskin.

[Skinz4lyfe]

At least he was a 4th reciever that dated Vivica A Fox. That's more impressive then anything Lloyd has done as a Redskin.

Yeah and he was dumb enough to let her go too. How can you do that? :doh:



I will go on record in saying that I loved the acquisition when it happened. But now it is looking like a waste. He's just not getting the picture. What will it take? If we got rid of Laveranues Coles (a much better receiver) and Lavar (former face of the franchise) and ate up huge $$$ in cap money to do so, what makes him think we won't do the same again?

[firehawk157]

At least he was a 4th reciever that dated Vivica A Fox. That's more impressive then anything Lloyd has done as a Redskin.
That's just not true!!! Okay, yeah it is.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

At least he was a 4th reciever that dated Vivica A Fox. That's more impressive then anything Lloyd has done in his life.
Fixed.

[CNYSkinFan]

speaking of Vivica A fox, she was like pushing 40 when she was dating McCants...who was like 24

What was she doing? Maybe the role in "How Stella got her Groove Back 2" was open?

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

"The Redskins always bring in the big-money guys and they're always looking for that one guy who's not panning out," said Lloyd, who acknowledges he has become that guy.
ok "B. Lloyd", if thats the case, why don't you do something about it? http://www.the-sportszone.net/forum/images/smilies/sss.gif this guy is a joke and its said to say that our offense would be so much better if he could just pull his head out of his *CBS*. thanks goodness for ARE....

[themightyjoegibbs]

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601660.html)

Here's another piece on Lloyd. Just goes to show you he DOESN'T GET IT! This quote in particular makes me shake my head.



Lloyd, your only a year or two younger. You are about two games from being a #4 receiver and it'll be very hard to recover from there. Ask Darinien McCants.

Gee, he's a procrastinator, envious, and suffers from identity hallucinations of being special and a force in the league. Thats the problem too many people expect and want things when they don't know how to obtain them and they still they are owed something b/c they think they are special. Your not BL. If I had to guess BL never had a father to throw him the ball as a kid. He seems so confused, and is not a man. As a youngster he simply got away with not having any other talent on the field except to run fast.

Uggh, McCants cost the Jets the game yesterday on more than 3 wide open endzone passes.

[shally]

Gee, he's a procrastinator, envious, and suffers from identity hallucinations of being special and a force in the league. Thats the problem too many people expect and want things when they don't know how to obtain them and they still they are owed something b/c they think they are special. Your not BL. If I had to guess BL never had a father to throw him the ball as a kid. He seems so confused, and is not a man. As a youngster he simply got away with not having any other talent on the field except to run fast.

Uggh, McCants cost the Jets the game yesterday on more than 3 wide open endzone passes.


you made me blink.. i had to look and see if mccants was actually still in the nfl playing for the jets....lol

okay, did you mean mccareins or someone else ??

[themightyjoegibbs]

you made me blink.. i had to look and see if mccants was actually still in the nfl playing for the jets....lol

okay, did you mean mccareins or someone else ??


Ahh crap. Thats it I'm done posting for the day. My brain has already be used up already.

[Charlz]

I think his problem is he never HAD to be serious. He just was able to get by on pure physical talent and now everyone is at least as talented as him, so he's a bit lost...

This happens often in the transition from college to the pros. This looks like a terrible move on the Redskins part. Never mind the money-we gave up two draft picksint he trade!!!!!

[Slobberknocker]

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601660.html)

Here's another piece on Lloyd. Just goes to show you he DOESN'T GET IT!

On the contrary. I think that it shows that he does get it. Looking up to and wanting to be like Randle El is a great sign.

We live in a kiddie culture. Wanting to postpone growing up till tomorrow is nothing different than 95% of us think on a daily basis.

People have already made up their minds about Lloyd and there's not much he can do now.

[shally]

On the contrary. I think that it shows that he does get it. Looking up to and wanting to be like Randle El is a great sign.

We live in a kiddie culture. Wanting to postpone growing up till tomorrow is nothing different than 95% of us think on a daily basis.

People have already made up their minds about Lloyd and there's not much he can do now.

when i see some intensity or passion in lloyd's play i will be convinced.. until then, nope...

[NCskinsfanatic]

when i see some intensity or passion in lloyd's play i will be convinced.. until then, nope...

Yeah well I'm still waiting to hit the lottery too...and I like my chances better than Lloyd's to be honest.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

On the contrary. I think that it shows that he does get it. Looking up to and wanting to be like Randle El is a great sign.

We live in a kiddie culture. Wanting to postpone growing up till tomorrow is nothing different than 95% of us think on a daily basis.

People have already made up their minds about Lloyd and there's not much he can do now.
He could start catching passes for positive yardage in an NFL game...that would be a good start...

[rskinsfan10]

Sounds to me like he is purposely working on his exit strategy to get out of town. He's gotten his $10mil plus. This way, he doesn't have to worry about the risk of injury while he continues to concentrate on his Grammy award winning rap career.

[Slobberknocker]

Reche Caldwell is inactive for the Iggles so tonight will tell for BLoyd. If he underwhelms, I'd expect to see Reche elevated for the Gnats.

[shally]

Sounds to me like he is purposely working on his exit strategy to get out of town. He's gotten his $10mil plus. This way, he doesn't have to worry about the risk of injury while he continues to concentrate on his Grammy award winning rap career.

you are correct, i think.. hard to hurt yourself when you are inactive.. and that is exactly where he appears to be headed.. once caldwell gets on the field that will be it, because thrash is valued for his special team's play and his blocking.. and if boddiford ever gets a chance, i am sure he is just itching for a chance to knock some people down on special teams

lloyd may have this game only to show something..

[shally]

Reche Caldwell is inactive for the Iggles so tonight will tell for BLoyd. If he underwhelms, I'd expect to see Reche elevated for the Gnats.

i figured that.. any other inactive announced yet ??

[frankez99]

Sounds to me like he is purposely working on his exit strategy to get out of town. He's gotten his $10mil plus. This way, he doesn't have to worry about the risk of injury while he continues to concentrate on his Grammy award winning Crap career.

fixed.

[Slobberknocker]

i figured that.. any other inactive announced yet ??

Not yet. I'm dying to know if Bodiford is active. Why? Because that means he'll be returning kicks.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd like us to have a little Devin Hester. I said little. I'm not crazy... LOL.

[Slobberknocker]

Sounds to me like he is purposely working on his exit strategy to get out of town. He's gotten his $10mil plus. This way, he doesn't have to worry about the risk of injury while he continues to concentrate on his Grammy award winning rap career.

I don't think so. If Lloyd flames out here, his NFL career will be on the ropes. What he needs is a wake-up call, that's all.

[shally]

Not yet. I'm dying to know if Bodiford is active. Why? Because that means he'll be returning kicks.

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'd like us to have a little Devin Hester. I said little. I'm not crazy... LOL.

over at ES they are saying that smoot is going to be inactive tonight..daniels.. as well..

[themightyjoegibbs]

over at ES they are saying that smoot is going to be inactive tonight..daniels.. as well..

Well over here at HR I'm saying McNabb will be InActive like he will be InEffective.

Crap why ain't Smoot Playing. I hope he hasn't been bitten by the mystery injury bug that got Springs last week.

[MadDog97]

over at ES they are saying that smoot is going to be inactive tonight..daniels.. as well..

Smoot is out because of a lingering hamstring. Daniels is out with his foot injury. Smoot was hurt in practice last week. Macklin will be in for the nickel packages.

The Eagles have CB Shepard out so that is good news for Campbell.

Well, I am going to get comfortable in front of the television. See ya at halftime.

[shally]

Smoot is out because of a lingering hamstring. Daniels is out with his foot injury. Smoot was hurt in practice last week. Macklin will be in for the nickel packages.

The Eagles have CB Shepard out so that is good news for Campbell.

Well, I am going to get comfortable in front of the television. See ya at halftime.

might be the last time lloyd is active as a redskin

[redskin_rich]

might be the last time lloyd is active as a redskin

That one throw to Lloyd tonight, it appeared to me that Campbell purposely threw it out of the endzone, with only Lloyd having a half chance at it. Had the receiver been someone else, I bet that ball would have been closer.

[Slobberknocker]

LLoyd has maybe one more game. Thrash took at least half the snaps as our #3. If Reche isn't activated next week, I bet after the bye week there's no looking back.

Lloyd has had opportunity after opportunity. He's the invisible man.

[joethefan]

I bet if we brought Lloyd in and not given him a big contract, let him play out his old one with hopes to getting a new deal, he wouldn't be this way..but he knows he has the lout so doesn't care ...kinda reminds me of when Deion tried to screw us....

[MONK_in_HOF]

Llyod just doesnt get it does he, he thinks everything is one big joke, well the jokes o0n him. Hopefully he invested his signing bonus wisely because he may need it...starting next year.

Actually I think the joke is on us for shelling out that size of a bonus to him in the first place, not to mention the draft picks it took to get him and the roster and cap space he consumes. We are the ones who have been had in this ordeal, not B. Lloyd.

[Redskinmayhem]

Lloyd has all the talent in the world but he's a mental midget. He doesn't see past his own nose. At this point, it makes no difference if he's on the field/team or not. As soon as it's financially viable, I say cut him.

[Moe]

Actually I think the joke is on us for shelling out that size of a bonus to him in the first place, not to mention the draft picks it took to get him and the roster and cap space he consumes. We are the ones who have been had in this ordeal, not B. Lloyd.

For as poor as Arch played, he at least made some tackles. Lloyd has to have the highest paycheck to coma ratio in the league. He's stolen money from this team, but shame on them for misreading this one so badly.
Now that the writing is on the wall, I'm looking forward to the distraction known as Brandon Lloyd to be gone.

[Skins7ny]

Doc Walker said tonight is BL's (last) chance. I believe Caldwell will be inactive because he doesn't know the O yet. Once he gets it BL will either have produced or he will be inactive for the rest of his 'Skins career. As to the article, I would agree he just doesn't get it. He is waiting for something to come to him, not going out and seizing the opportunity.
I expect them to start de-activating him for games until the end of the year, unless injuries give him another chance. He is a total waste product. Given his complete lack of motivation and production, and his turdish reputation, I doubt he gets another shot somewhere else.

This happens often in the transition from college to the pros. This looks like a terrible move on the Redskins part. Never mind the money-we gave up two draft picksint he trade!!!!!

John Riggins put very eloquently what I have been saying since we made the trade-his teammates hated him and the 49ers were about to cut him, which should have been a red flag as WR-poor as they were (and still are). Instead of waiting for him to get cut, we gave up 2 draft picks for him, then prematurely gave him a fat new contract with a $10M signing bonus. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Actually I think the joke is on us for shelling out that size of a bonus to him in the first place, not to mention the draft picks it took to get him and the roster and cap space he consumes. We are the ones who have been had in this ordeal, not B. Lloyd.

If I were Mike Nolan, I would send Dan Snyder a shiny new 85 jersey-made of fleece!

[shally]

I expect them to start de-activating him for games until the end of the year, unless injuries give him another chance. He is a total waste product. Given his complete lack of motivation and production, and his turdish reputation, I doubt he gets another shot somewhere else.

This happens often in the transition from college to the pros. This looks like a terrible move on the Redskins part. Never mind the money-we gave up two draft picksint he trade!!!!!
John Riggins put very eloquently what I have been saying since we made the trade-the 49ers were about to cut him, but instead of waiting, he gave up 2 draft picks for him, then prematurely gave him a fat new contract.



If I were Mike Nolan, I would send Dan Snyder a shiny new 85 jersey-made of fleece!

time to move on.. let him be inactive the rest of the season and get caldwell into the mix

[Brokenstriker]

Lloyd has all the talent in the world but he's a mental midget. He doesn't see past his own nose. At this point, it makes no difference if he's on the field/team or not. As soon as it's financially viable, I say cut him.

that would make him a myopic mental midget

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

did anybody hear ray brown on the comcast postgame show last night? they were talking about lloyd and how it seems he is more into his rap career than his football career and ray brown says that the best lloyd would do in the rap game is go aluminum. LMAO

[shally]

did anybody hear ray brown on the comcast postgame show last night? they were talking about lloyd and how it seems he is more into his rap career than his football career and ray brown says that the best lloyd would do in the rap game is go aluminum. LMAO

looks like he has an inflated view of "both" of his careers..

[chicago_skinz_fan]

Lloyd called his advance look at Halo 3 the "number one" perk he's gotten as an NFL player. "Playing video games is such a major part of my life. This is what I do to unwind. This is what I do to be by myself and escape. I go in my game room and play video games."

:bangdesk:

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2007/09/19/ST2007091902408.html?hpid=moreheadlines)

[GreenspanDan]

what? who cares? he's supposed to practice 24/7?

non-story.

i heard he spends up to 8 hours of every work day lying flat on his back doing absolutely nothing too! :sleeping::sleeping:

[whitskins]

I would think getting 10 million dollars in bonuses for catching zero balls a game would be a better perk than Halo 3...

[ace4ever]

:bangdesk:

Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2007/09/19/ST2007091902408.html?hpid=moreheadlines)

shouldn't winning be a perk for BL? :whoknows:

[JasonCampbell]

So are these guys supposed to play football 24/7? If it were anyone else on the team, this thread never would have been created. This is just picking on Lloyd.

[silverspring]

I understand the venom towards lloyd but we really don't need to make issues (threads) of non issues.

And in fact I found this article to be a very positive reflection on him. It showed that he was making an effort to spend time with his teammates and colleagues outside of practice. If anything lloyd should be the ultimate non-story this week. Not one catchable ball was thrown to him last week so he didn't have the opportunity to do much good or harm to his stock. He did actually block a bit. He also kept his mouth shut which can only be a plus. On sunday, i expect him to get some opportunities to earn his paycheck, why don't we continue this conversation then when we have something meaningful to discuss...

[BandWagon]

Sorry, I appreciate the attempt but, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

:sleeping:

[InsomniaKiller]

Boo! Unfair thread. LOTS of athletes are big video game fans, you know.

Think of all the ways numerous other NFL players spend their free time and then try to tell me playing video games is a poor decision.

[chicago_skinz_fan]

Dude, you guys need to chill out. It was a joke. Everyone else seems to love to throw him under the bus so I thought I would add to the hating on Brandon Lloyd.

:bsmile:

[shally]

man child.... doubt he has read a book for pleasure or self improvement in his entire life

lots of people like that

[Keino]

This is silly. I play videogames to unwind too. So what?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

This is silly. I play videogames to unwind too. So what?
Yeah, and your production is far from satisfying as well. And you are a lockerroom cancer. And you prefer rap mucis to the NFL. So BOOOOO for you!!! Lol... ;)

[helimech24]

Sorry, I appreciate the attempt but, Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

:sleeping:I agree, most athletes these days play video games.

[guinness4health]

if anything this seems encouraging, because it shows that he has been socializing with teammates. In particular it was good to see that one of the guys playing with him was the caveman Sellers....

if anything spending time outside of redskins park with a leader like sellers can only help (hopefully some Sellers selflessness and drive rubs off on b lloyd)

[Keino]

Yeah, and your production is far from satisfying as well. And you are a lockerroom cancer. And you prefer rap mucis to the NFL. So BOOOOO for you!!! Lol... ;)

This is the funniest post I've read today.

[hail2skins]

I merged the video game thread about BL with this one. IF you knew there was a thread on Brandon Lloyd already, why start another one. Next time I'm just going to delete a thread that is created on a subject that already exist.

[helimech24]

I merged the video game thread about BL with this one. IF you knew there was a thread on Brandon Lloyd already, why start another one. Next time I'm just going to delete a thread that is created on a subject that already exist.:danger: H2S is on a rampage, and he is not taking crap from anyone.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I merged the video game thread about BL with this one. IF you knew there was a thread on Brandon Lloyd already, why start another one. Next time I'm just going to delete a thread that is created on a subject that already exist.

Another reason to dislike Brandon Lloyd. The mere thought of him clogs up the message board.

[Skins57]

Doc Walker said tonight is BL's (last) chance. I believe Caldwell will be inactive because he doesn't know the O yet. Once he gets it BL will either have produced or he will be inactive for the rest of his 'Skins career. As to the article, I would agree he just doesn't get it. He is waiting for something to come to him, not going out and seizing the opportunity.

I hope the FO makes him go away soon. A mistake made and now they need to show lesson learned and send him away. sad sad sad

[smoak]

Why do we need even ONE thread on Lloyd???

[helimech24]

Why do we need even ONE thread on Lloyd???
Not until he makes 1 freakin' catch this year.:bangdesk:

[gibbs4pres]

I think one thing that peopple are overlooking with B Lloyd, is that he is the third receiver but the 5th option on offense. I mean First we are getting the ball in the hands of Moss and Portis (or Betts, so maybe 6th).
Then next up Cooley and ARE. So next at 5th (or 6th) on the offensive go to list is Lloyd and......

I'm not making excuses for the misses so far but maybe we should hold off judgement for a few more attemepts. Then again maybe not. I'm just hoping that we see what he could be soon. One or two great snags on Sunday, against the 32nd pass D, who knows.

[csquared]

This was already in the Halo 3 thread. Some members need to look before posting #1 worthless threads and #2 repeat info.

[Redskinmayhem]

Not until he makes 1 freakin' catch this year.:bangdesk:

he hasn't caught a single ball yet has he??? I wonder what the stat is on how many times he's been targeted(thrown to)?

[MPCSkins]

I can only remember him being thrown to twice and that was in Philly out of the back of the end zone and against Miami where the pick was made. It can't be more than about 3 or 4 times at the MOST because I really don't think they want to throw it his way anymore.

[LATrueRedskin]

I can't get mad at Brandon Lloyd because he plays video games. That's ridiculous. The guy is a human being.

[MadDog97]

Brandon has had his chance and he is a spoiled brat. If not for the cap hit the Skins would release him. I think unless a miracle happens he is done.

[themightyjoegibbs]

I can't get mad at Brandon Lloyd because he plays video games. That's ridiculous. The guy is a human being.

What if the reason he doesn't make those Miami endzone catches is because he was playing Gears of War (which I just got hooked on) all night long ???

Would you fault him then???

I don't think anyone can be mad at BL. His rap game is stellar, his new hairstyle genius, and he may have carpel tunnel in his wrists that don;t enable him to run routes b/c catching hurts his hands. Whats wrong with that??

I think things will be better when BL and Will Demps start their own modeling company. We'll see whose is laughing when BL is wide open on the catwalk catching plenty of balls to the face.

[Skins57]

Brandon has had his chance and he is a spoiled brat. If not for the cap hit the Skins would release him. I think unless a miracle happens he is done.



I agree 100 %

[Bluuz]

Lloyd has got one heck of an agent, that's for sure. I don't know if he's a bad guy or not, but supposedly he did work hard in the off season to bulk up. In any event, he's not paid to be charming but only to catch the ball.

Whatever the reason, it's not happening for him in DC and now he's pretty much lost all confidence of the coaches and probably Campbell as well.

He'll probably end up getting cut and go back to San Francisco with a fat bank account and go on to a great career. Of course he's not the only expensive player the Skin's bought from San Fran who proved to be a bust.

[shally]

Lloyd has got one heck of an agent, that's for sure. I don't know if he's a bad guy or not, but supposedly he did work hard in the off season to bulk up. In any event, he's not paid to be charming but only to catch the ball.

Whatever the reason, it's not happening for him in DC and now he's pretty much lost all confidence of the coaches and probably Campbell as well.

He'll probably end up getting cut and go back to San Francisco with a fat bank account and go on to a great career. Of course he's not the only expensive player the Skin's bought from San Fran who proved to be a bust.

stubba-bubba ???

rumph...(he didnt cost that much)



and they got derek smith from us. he has given them a lot of quality linebacking play. they also got walt harris..and taylor jacobs..

by the way, zak keaszy, linebacker-now-FB, has been elevated from their PS to the roster for this weekend.. wish him well..

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

he hasn't caught a single ball yet has he??? I wonder what the stat is on how many times he's been targeted(thrown to)?
I just remember the int against miami, and a completed pass that wasn't considered because of a penalty. Against philly a pass that was thrown away in the endzone.

[SkinFan in BigD]

the sad thing is that he probably cares more about his rap album than his football career. what a waste of talent (and money)

[Slobberknocker]

It's sad, all the hatin'. Fault the production, but back off the man. We'll know soon enough if Caldwell or Lloyd will step up and claim the #3 spot.

Both have a legit shot. May the best man win.

[JasonCampbell]

How many plays did he get tonight? I don't recall him even being on the field. Everyone is always hard on him, but Gibbs isn't giving him a chance to prove himself. Until Gibbs is ready to actually give the man a shot, why are we wasting a spot on him and make him inactive?

[Campbell2Moss13]

Is there any way the redskins can dump Brandon and pick up Travis Taylor?
I think not having anyone besides Moss Cooley and Randel El hurts. I believe that Taylor and Caldwell would really help out

[JasonCampbell]

Personally, I would like for him to get a chance to prove he belongs on the team. So far this season, he hasn't gotten that IMO.

[shally]

Is there any way the redskins can dump Brandon and pick up Travis Taylor?
I think not having anyone besides Moss Cooley and Randel El hurts. I believe that Taylor and Caldwell would really help out

the offense is totally out of sync.. the play calling is unimaginative.
substituting one B level receiver for another is not likely to do much

[shally]

Is there any way the redskins can dump Brandon and pick up Travis Taylor?
I think not having anyone besides Moss Cooley and Randel El hurts. I believe that Taylor and Caldwell would really help out

the giants have basically only shockey and burress and that was enough to beat us.. the difference was that coughlin and manning kept getting the ball to them.
we give up far too easily

[Campbell2Moss13]

your right. I was just overreacting to the tough lost. I was not even thinking clearly.

[skinsfan36]

yesterday on the joe gibbs show gibbs said "brandon is our 4th reciever" the highest paid 4th stringer ever UGHHHHH

[SpicyMcHaggis]

yesterday on the joe gibbs show gibbs said "brandon is our 4th reciever" the highest paid 4th stringer ever UGHHHHH
Who is our 3rd? Caldwell? Thrash?

What a trade...ugh...

[Meatsnack]

I saw Thrash in a lot in the three wide sets, so maybe it is JT's time unless Reche can take it away.

[CNYSkinFan]

This thread has more pages in it then Lloyd has catches in his last 9 games as a Redskin

[hockeygoalie29]

Everyone is always hard on him, but Gibbs isn't giving him a chance to prove himself. Until Gibbs is ready to actually give the man a shot, why are we wasting a spot on him and make him inactive?

Personally, I would like for him to get a chance to prove he belongs on the team. So far this season, he hasn't gotten that IMO.

When did we start talking about Patrick Ramsey??? :D

[shally]

i am not certain if i am reading more into things than i should but in his presser this afternoon gibbs singled out thrash, mccardell and CALDWELL for praise.
no mention of lloyd at all who had his first catch of the year against detroit.

why mention caldwell who had zero catches ??

so, is it safe to assume that if ARE and moss are active this week that lloyd will be inactive against green bay ?

anyone else notice this ??

[JasonCampbell]

anyone else notice this ??

not at the time, but I do remember him mentioning Caldwell...who really didn't do anything that I can remember (no receptions, no key blocks).

This situation is just so strange to me. I really can't believe that Thrash and McCardell at their stages of their careers are better than Lloyd, yet he can't get onto the field at all. He had a terrible year last year, but what WR has a breakout season his first year with the team when the starting QB loses his job halfway through the season and a first year QB takes over? I'd like to see the now more confident JC get some time with Lloyd. IMO, Lloyd really hasn't gotten a fair shot this season.

It does seem like he wants to play too. I noticed a few times during the game he was right beside Gibbs.

I will give Lloyd one thing, he appears to cheer his teammates on and is not just sitting on the bench pouting. He was laughing and cheering for Rogers after his TD.

[shally]

not at the time, but I do remember him mentioning Caldwell...who really didn't do anything that I can remember (no receptions, no key blocks).

This situation is just so strange to me. I really can't believe that Thrash and McCardell at their stages of their careers are better than Lloyd, yet he can't get onto the field at all. He had a terrible year last year, but what WR has a breakout season his first year with the team when the starting QB loses his job halfway through the season and a first year QB takes over? I'd like to see the now more confident JC get some time with Lloyd. IMO, Lloyd really hasn't gotten a fair shot this season.

It does seem like he wants to play too. I noticed a few times during the game he was right beside Gibbs.

I will give Lloyd one thing, he appears to cheer his teammates on and is not just sitting on the bench pouting. He was laughing and cheering for Rogers after his TD.


it gets stranger to interpret.. why praise someone who did nothing (caldwell)
and forget to mention someone who did- even though it was not a huge contribution ?

and i did notice lloyd standing next to gibbs as you mentioned..

just odd

[guinness4health]

This situation is just so strange to me. I really can't believe that Thrash and McCardell at their stages of their careers are better than Lloyd, yet he can't get onto the field at all. He had a terrible year last year, but what WR has a breakout season his first year with the team when the starting QB loses his job halfway through the season and a first year QB takes over? I'd like to see the now more confident JC get some time with Lloyd. IMO, Lloyd really hasn't gotten a fair shot this season.

It does seem like he wants to play too. I noticed a few times during the game he was right beside Gibbs.

I will give Lloyd one thing, he appears to cheer his teammates on and is not just sitting on the bench pouting. He was laughing and cheering for Rogers after his TD.

you make some good points and agree I don't think that Thrash and McCardell are more talented than B Lloyd....

I think that biggest problem in when Lloyd has been on the field (and I imagine it is happening in practice as well) he hasn't been consistent with his level of effort....

I know that it was just one play (this year at least) but that interception that he gave up on was indicative of Lloyd commitment to this team thus far...

First off it should have been a TD (if he didn't quit on the route) and secondly it is inexcusable to not chase after the defender with everything you got...

check out this quote from Lloyd himself when asked why Thrash is starting ahead of him....."The reason why is because during the Miami Dolphins game, the guy intercepted the ball and I was loafing afterwards; it's true, yeah" source (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/10/b_lloyd_discusses_his_benching.html)

Bottomline is that we definitely are giving up some raw talent when we play Thrash, McCardell, or Caldwell over Lloyd.....

but this offense is predicated on timing routes....that requires crisp routes and getting to the right spot at the right time.....

Just look at how McCardell was able to make an impact on the game after less than a week's worth of work by simply focusing on those key areas..

over his two year stay with the skins Lloyd has done very little to demonstrate his desire to be consistent in those areas....the coaches and your quarterback have to trust that you are going to be where you need to be on every play (not just the ones where you are the first option)

I just hope that he can look at the numerous examples on the squad of what it takes to be a constant and professional WR in this league....cause we could definitely use his athletic abilities

BTW....I do think that lloyd got a fair shot at starting last year and then in training camp this year, but he failed to step-up....now he is going to have to earn his next shot (if there is one)

[shally]

you make some good points and agree I don't think that Thrash and McCardell are more talented than B Lloyd....

I think that biggest problem in when Lloyd has been on the field (and I imagine it is happening in practice as well) he hasn't been consistent with his level of effort....

I know that it was just one play (this year at least) but that interception that he gave up on was indicative of Lloyd commitment to this team thus far...

First off it should have been a TD (if he didn't quit on the route) and secondly it is inexcusable to not chase after the defender with everything you got...

check out this quote from Lloyd himself when asked why Thrash is starting ahead of him..... source (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/10/b_lloyd_discusses_his_benching.html)

Bottomline is that we definitely are giving up some raw talent when we play Thrash, McCardell, or Caldwell over Lloyd.....

but this offense is predicated on timing routes....that requires crisp routes and getting to the right spot at the right time.....

Just look at how McCardell was able to make an impact on the game after less than a week's worth of work by simply focusing on those key areas..

over his two year stay with the skins Lloyd has done very little to demonstrate his desire to be consistent in those areas....the coaches and your quarterback have to trust that you are going to be where you need to be on every play (not just the ones where you are the first option)

I just hope that he can look at the numerous examples on the squad of what it takes to be a constant and professional WR in this league....cause we could definitely use his athletic abilities

BTW....I do think that lloyd got a fair shot at starting last year and then in training camp this year, but he failed to step-up....now he is going to have to earn his next shot (if there is one)


good points... 2 plays show the difference between thrash and lloyd.. in sunday's game, there was a long pass to thrash that ended up incomplete. the reason for that was that THRASH made darn sure that the db could not make the interception. thrash was covered and the db actually had the better shot at the ball, but thrash stayed with the play and at least made sure that it was not possible for the db to get his hands on it.

compare that to the way that lloyd gave up on a similar pass and the db was not only able to make the interception, but was able to run it back 40 yards

there are many pass plays where the qb simply has to trust the receiver to win his individual battle with the db.. burress is really adept at this. michael irvin fashioned a hall of fame career out of that. when the ball is in the air the receiver simply has to go get it.. if he cannot, his second job is to make sure that if he cant get it, no defender does

[guinness4health]

there are many pass plays where the qb simply has to trust the receiver to win his individual battle with the db.. burress is really adept at this. michael irvin fashioned a hall of fame career out of that. when the ball is in the air the receiver simply has to go get it.. if he cannot, his second job is to make sure that if he cant get it, no defender does

exactly....not only is lloyd still struggling with this he doesn't always run his routes hard and crisp which tends to put him at more of a disadvantage in these individual battles (causes he is arriving to the spot the ball is thrown late)....

part of me still hopes he can put it together cause he has shown in the past that he can make some of those highlight type plays...

[greatest2]

anybody else see llyods 1 catch last game.

he caught it, and ran, but with 1 more yard to get the first, he didn't put his shoulder down, or try a juke, he went down like marvin harrison does AFTER catching a FIRST down.

THis coupled with the interception in the miami game (quit on route, and didn't chase) tells me llyod is done here. Gibbs wants players who play hard, and will sacriice talent for that. And i for one agree. If llyod don't wanna play hard, step aside, we find someone else who will.






doesn't that Mike Espy injury hurt this year boys? Ithink he could have made the roster, and seen some action. He may have been our 4 or 5 guy instead of caldwell

[GreenspanDan]

i don't know, maybe i'm too soft on the guy, but i just feel like he's got too much talent to leave him on the bench, when the alternative is putting TWO guys out there ahead of him who were recent free agent emergency aquisitions.

i mean i can understand thrash starting over lloyd. thrash is getting old and was never ever spectacular, but he is reliable and a "true redskin" in gibbs' eye, and he makes pretty good decisions. plus he's been here for years and knows the offense.

but jeez, caldwell and mckardell, it's just ridiculous and stubborn to start those guys over lloyd. i'm sorry, i just don't believe they give us a better chance to win.

[shally]

anybody else see llyods 1 catch last game.

he caught it, and ran, but with 1 more yard to get the first, he didn't put his shoulder down, or try a juke, he went down like marvin harrison does AFTER catching a FIRST down.

THis coupled with the interception in the miami game (quit on route, and didn't chase) tells me llyod is done here. Gibbs wants players who play hard, and will sacriice talent for that. And i for one agree. If llyod don't wanna play hard, step aside, we find someone else who will.






doesn't that Mike Espy injury hurt this year boys? Ithink he could have made the roster, and seen some action. He may have been our 4 or 5 guy instead of caldwell

maybe.. caldwell and mccardell have proved they are roster worthy..espy has not as yet..

[greatest2]

maybe.. caldwell and mccardell have proved they are roster worthy..espy has not as yet..


McCardell yes, absolutly, i thought that was a solidpickup when it happened. But to me i see the same in caldwell an Espy, and espy is younger.

I know Caldwell has played in the league and proved he can be a wide out, but in my opinion i would have rather give his spot to espy.

Now that is neither here or there cause espy is done for the year, so i am happy with the recievers we have, but as far as llyod is concerened. Inactivate him for the rest of the games, and cut/trade him, find a way cause this is crazy
----he puts up the worst stats for a starting wideout in the superbowl era
---------gets beat out in training camp by El (he is having a great year, way to step up!!!!)
--------- gets his chance at a jump ball, supposed to be his specialty, and he quits on the route then doesn't run after the guy.
---------gets a catch in this past game, and goes down 1 yard shy of the first. Didn't get hit, but Didn't WANT to get hit, so he went down a yard shy, and if i remember correctly we had to punt cause we didn't get it.

im done with llyod, he had his oppurtunites, he didn't show anything we can't get from someone else for less, so be gone

[NCskinsfanatic]

McCardell will give us quite a bit as a 3rd option at WR. Keenan has an the advantage of knowing the system over Reche right now, we'll see by the half way mark what he can add. I think a WR corp of Moss, ARE, McCardell, Thrash and Caldwell will end up being very solid though. I wish Espy hadn't gotten injured in the preseason because I think he could have been a nice 3rd or 4th option. Having been in this offense, going into his second season, I think he would be very complimentery to the 5 Wr's we have on the roster.

[colkurtz]

BL - I'd rather have WR who run good routes, fights for the ball, make sure the DB doesn't get it, fights for extra yardage and actually produces - even if they are a little slower:

OVER someone who doesn't but has more "potential".

I will bet my house that BL is not on the team next year.

If Caldwell starts producing or showing any of the attributes above, BL may end up on the inactive roster sooner rather than later.

This guy is just dead to me as a Redskin

[JasonCampbell]

So, Lloyd had to have had more plays today than any other game this season...perhaps more than the first 4 combined. JC missed him on the long pass, although he almost came up with it (and Aikman seemed to think he should have caught it:imshock:).

Hopefully next week we'll see him get some more chances since he is a much better deep threat than Thrash. I also think McCardell should be moved ahead of Thrash...and is Caldwell even active these days?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Pretty average production by Lloyd by his standards today. The usual 0 catches for 0 yards, and 0 TDs. Keep it up, Brandon!

[skinsfan45]

if BL wants to have fun on the football field then contribute to a win brother-- and that starts in practice -- show em u have what they need then prove it on the playing field -- then u can have all the fun u want celebrating wins

[shally]

if BL wants to have fun on the football field then contribute to a win brother-- and that starts in practice -- show em u have what they need then prove it on the playing field -- then u can have all the fun u want celebrating wins

the coaches seem to like lloyd more than caldwell for now...

might as well see if we can get anything out of him this year

[smoak]

Lloyd could fall off the face of the Earth tomorrow and I'd be a much happier person... And that is after me taking a minute to phrase this carefully. I'm sick of seein that putz take the field.

[shally]

Lloyd could fall off the face of the Earth tomorrow and I'd be a much happier person... And that is after me taking a minute to phrase this carefully. I'm sick of seein that putz take the field.

they left caldwell inactive today for lloyd.. that says something given how big a pain in the rear lloyd is.

maybe caldwell is showing little ??

[smoak]

they left caldwell inactive today for lloyd.. that says something given how big a pain in the rear lloyd is.

maybe caldwell is showing little ??

I never thought Caldwell was any good to be honest, but I hate Lloyd. I haven't ever despised someone wearing the burgundy and gold like this before.

[Skin-E-Dip]

But my thought on Lloyd is the Redskins had to know the character guy they were getting. You don't give guys millions of dollars without doing background checks and seeing how a guy flowed in the locker room..so I dont get it