What needs to be done about the offense???

[firehawk157]

I posed this question to Akh about the defense in another thread, but our defense doesn't seem to be our worst problem, our offense is. But imagine on February in 08, Snyder calls you and says, we are handing over the offense to you. What do you do??? Who do you get rid of??? Who do you pick up??? I don't need names of people you would draft, but where would you draft somebody and what position would you draft there??? How would you call the plays better and how would you make sure the miscues and mismanagement of the various phases of the game are minimized?

[shally]

I posed this question to Akh about the defense in another thread, but our defense doesn't seem to be our worst problem, our offense is. But imagine on February in 08, Snyder calls you and says, we are handing over the offense to you. What do you do??? Who do you get rid of??? Who do you pick up??? I don't need names of people you would draft, but where would you draft somebody and what position would you draft there??? How would you call the plays better and how would you make sure the miscues and mismanagement of the various phases of the game are minimized?


respectfully, and not intentionally trying to change your topic, but the offense needs to be changed NOW.. we have a season that can be salvaged
with the personnel we have now.

if you want an answer to that one we canchew on it.. if you want the post season 2008 version i will leave that to people who are far better tea leaf readers than i..

[danny's stogie]

I posed this question to Akh about the defense in another thread, but our defense doesn't seem to be our worst problem, our offense is. But imagine on February in 08, Snyder calls you and says, we are handing over the offense to you. What do you do??? Who do you get rid of??? Who do you pick up??? I don't need names of people you would draft, but where would you draft somebody and what position would you draft there??? How would you call the plays better and how would you make sure the miscues and mismanagement of the various phases of the game are minimized?

For the most part I'd just let the promising young QB that they have develop and grow in the offense. In other words, I wait until next year to see them make the big leap.

Other than that, I would see what happens with Caldwell and if he doesn't work out try a few second-tier FA options to find a third WR. I would also consider using third round picks and lower to draft a few lineman. Next year's line of Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Wade/Jansen should be good, but they need to prepare for their declines, especially Jansen's and Kendall's.

[akhhorus]

I posted this in the other thread, but to keep it organized:

If I was in charge of the offense, I would do this:
1-Dump or Bench Mike Sellers.
2-Play Heyer/Jansen at RT
3-Keep Wade/Jansen/Heyer as depth
4-Sign a TE like Eric Johnson or another pass catcher, or draft someone like Kory Sperry, Martin Rucker or Martellus Bennett.
This offense seems to do better with the 2 WR, 2 TE, 0 FB, 1 RB Ace Formation.
5-Dump Lloyd and replace him with a true Y/Flanker. Some draft ideas in round 3-4: Mario Urrutia, Marcus Monk, Greg Carr, etc
Offense looks like this:
X: S. Moss
X: ARE
TE: Cooley, Johnson/Sperry/Rucker/Bennett
LT: Samuels
LG: Kendall
C: Rabach
RG: Thomas
RT: Jansen/Heyer/Wade
QB: Campbell
RB: Portis

on 3rd downs:
X: ARE
Y: Urrutia/Monk/Carr/vet WR
Z: Moss
TE: Cooley
Then either play the other TE or Portis at RB
LT: Samuels
LG: Kendall
C: Rabach
RG: Thomas
RT: Jansen/Heyer/Wade
QB: Campbell

[firehawk157]

I posted this in the other thread, but to keep it organized:

If I was in charge of the offense, I would do this:
1-Dump or Bench Mike Sellers.
2-Play Heyer/Jansen at RT
3-Keep Wade/Jansen/Heyer as depth
4-Sign a TE like Eric Johnson or another pass catcher, or draft someone like Kory Sperry, Martin Rucker or Martellus Bennett.
This offense seems to do better with the 2 WR, 2 TE, 0 FB, 1 RB Ace Formation.
5-Dump Lloyd and replace him with a true Y/Flanker. Some draft ideas in round 3-4: Mario Urrutia, Marcus Monk, Greg Carr, etc
Offense looks like this:
X: S. Moss
X: ARE
TE: Cooley, Johnson/Sperry/Rucker/Bennett
LT: Samuels
LG: Kendall
C: Rabach
RG: Thomas
RT: Jansen/Heyer/Wade
QB: Campbell
RB: Portis

on 3rd downs:
X: ARE
Y: Urrutia/Monk/Carr/vet WR
Z: Moss
TE: Cooley
Then either play the other TE or Portis at RB
LT: Samuels
LG: Kendall
C: Rabach
RG: Thomas
RT: Jansen/Heyer/Wade
QB: Campbell
Dump Sellers??? But he's the only guy who consistently does good things for this offense...

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Yeah, Akh, I have no idea why you'd get rid of Sellers. There are very few players on the entire team I'd keep over him.

[Biggie]

I think the one universal we can all agree on is getting rid of Brandon Lloyd.

[akhhorus]

Yeah, Akh, I have no idea why you'd get rid of Sellers. There are very few players on the entire team I'd keep over him.

I love Sellers, he's a great FB, but the running game and the passing game seem to click better with a double TE set. I would keep sellers for short yardage sets, but I would play another combo TE over him. Another thought is to play the Pony formation:

X: S. Moss
X: ARE
TE: Cooley
LT: Samuels
LG: Kendall
C: Rabach
RG: Thomas
RT: Jansen/Heyer/Wade
QB: Campbell
RB: Betts
HB: Portis

[shally]

I love Sellers, he's a great FB, but the running game and the passing game seem to click better with a double TE set. I would keep sellers for short yardage sets, but I would play another combo TE over him. Another thought is to play the Pony formation:

X: S. Moss
X: ARE
TE: Cooley
LT: Samuels
LG: Kendall
C: Rabach
RG: Thomas
RT: Jansen/Heyer/Wade
QB: Campbell
RB: Betts
HB: Portis

betts is not a good enough lead blocker to help portis.. and portis would likely kill himself trying to run over defensive tackles blocking for betts

[esmith1790]

Cooley needs help, he cant be the 2nd passing option and expected to be kept in to help the pass rush. The offense game plan needs to be game planned better, use the back-up TE to do that or have a RB chip the DL on the right side. Try rolling the QB out to give JC more time to throw the ball to Cooley.

[skinsfan36]

free cooley up,play caldwell call better plays

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The FIRST thing that I do is to tell Gibbs to shut up during the play calling phase. If I'm the OC, I call the plays. All of them. If that is not possible, I'm quitting.

After that, I go get a possession receiver, and we are pretty much set.

[Bushwacker]

I think most pieces of the offence are there with the skill players, maybe another TE that gives Cooley a break, but i would draft and pick up linemen on both sides of the ball.

[sinskin]

Get rid of Saunders!

[PennSkinsFan]

I think the one universal we can all agree on is getting rid of Brandon Lloyd.

Why?

He hasn't hurt the team.

What to do about the offense?

Get a new play caller, consolidate the offensive scheme design to one coach, instead of on be deciding on who will be on the field, and one deciding what play to run, and then how about better clock management. You do that, most problems solved. The blaming Brandon Lloyd thing is getting old because he hasn't been on the field. Want to blame receiving, then blame Cooley and Moss fro dropping way too many passes.

[tbfoster1]

Spread it out more often and go for the jugular.

[CarMike]

1.) I would go out and try to find a 6'3"+ WR. Someone we can count on in the redzone.

2.) I would change play calling inside the redzone. I'll never understand why Gibbs loves to pack everyone in a bunch formation and then try to run the ball. You're asking to get short or no yardage.

3.) I'd move Campbell around in the pocket. Do some roll outs and sorts. I'd use his mobility more often. That would give the defense another thing to worry about. How nice would it have been to seen a bootleg on that 4th and goal to win the game? If you notice, the entire defense bit on the running play to Betts. Campbell could have walked into the endzone.

4.) I would attack the middle of the field A LOT more often. When we did against the Giants it worked. From what I can remember we only threw inside of the numbers 3 or 4 times. And two of those were in the final drive.

5.) I'd use more screen plays. Especially against defenses that like to blitz us.

[skins74]

1.) I would go out and try to find a 6'3"+ WR. Someone we can count on in the redzone.

2.) I would change play calling inside the redzone. I'll never understand why Gibbs loves to pack everyone in a bunch formation and then try to run the ball. You're asking to get short or no yardage.

3.) I'd move Campbell around in the pocket. Do some roll outs and sorts. I'd use his mobility more often. That would give the defense another thing to worry about. How nice would it have been to seen a bootleg on that 4th and goal to win the game? If you notice, the entire defense bit on the running play to Betts. Campbell could have walked into the endzone.

4.) I would attack the middle of the field A LOT more often. When we did against the Giants it worked. From what I can remember we only threw inside of the numbers 3 or 4 times. And two of those were in the final drive.

5.) I'd use more screen plays. Especially against defenses that like to blitz us.


Very accurate post IMO

[Keino]

I wold simply take the handcuffs off of Campbell. The kid has the tools, but they need to stop trying to protect him from making mistakes. In a sense they are stunting his development, from my point of view after watching 3 games. When placed in situations where he has to move the ball, he has done well, so play with that sense of urgency for the entire game, not just in 2 Minute situations.

And related to the above, MANAGE THE DAMN CLOCK BETTER!!!!

[shally]

I wold simply take the handcuffs off of Campbell. The kid has the tools, but they need to stop trying to protect him from making mistakes. In a sense they are stunting his development, from my point of view after watching 3 games. When placed in situations where he has to move the ball, he has done well, so play with that sense of urgency for the entire game, not just in 2 Minute situations.

And related to the above, MANAGE THE DAMN CLOCK BETTER!!!!

just keep letting JC take his shots downfield

and try to get him a second wideout option besides moss.. hopefully caldwell provides that

[Hrabanmaur]

Don't get too cute. Stop with the blessed WR-end-arounds. The potential gains (10 yards) are not worth the risks (so many stopped for lost yardage of 5-10 yards). Tricks and gadgets are really only effective when the rest of the offense is working smoothly. Once we show consistent offense, then let's get fancy.

Commit to the running game - and to PORTIS. As I said in another post, we should have been running the ball in the second half of the Giants game, and we didn't. Portis is simply the better back (except catching).

We need to keep Cooley involved in the passing game (despite a few "early season" drops). He's too much of a threat not to utilize. When he was prominent in Philly we did a better job dominating. When he was absent against Giants and Dolphins, we struggled.

Continue to take shots down field, in fact, take more. We've got the speed and Campbell has the arm. Even if we're only successful 35% of the time, it's worth it for the amount of yardage we rack up. That should also help open up the run game and the intermediate passing game.

I agree with the other posts that Gibbs should either step up and take control or back off and let Saunders run the show. At least then, you can measure performance based on one person's decisions.

[Keino]

I don't mind the occasional end-around. One, it is a way to get Randle El involved. Two, we run some running plays that have been moderately successful which fakes the end-around.....Keeps the defense honest. Three, There are passing plays that we can run off of the end-around, including the Randle-El pass.

[dj_stouty]

We need to pound the ball more often with our RBs. Portis and Betts carried the ball 34 times against the Dolphins. That number has declined each of the last two games.

Versus the Giants, they combined for 21 carries. That is certainly not enough carries, especially considering the Redskins held the lead for most of the game...AND since 2 of those carries took place with less than 1 minute on the clock!

We need 32+ total carries from Portis/Betts and nothing less if we want to win.

[dj_stouty]

I don't mind the occasional end-around. One, it is a way to get Randle El involved. Two, we run some running plays that have been moderately successful which fakes the end-around.....Keeps the defense honest. Three, There are passing plays that we can run off of the end-around, including the Randle-El pass.

Plus..if the Skins run that play enough times...it will set up ARE for the option to throw the ball downfield, which the defense may not see coming since they gameplanned for an end-around.

[shally]

We need to pound the ball more often with our RBs. Portis and Betts carried the ball 34 times against the Dolphins. That number has declined each of the last two games.

Versus the Giants, they combined for 21 carries. That is certainly not enough carries, especially considering the Redskins held the lead for most of the game...AND since 2 of those carries took place with less than 1 minute on the clock!

We need 32+ total carries from Portis/Betts and nothing less if we want to win.

very true... forgetting the run is a key to disaster for the skins

Plus..if the Skins run that play enough times...it will set up ARE for the option to throw the ball downfield, which the defense may not see coming since they gameplanned for an end-around.


i was noticing when we actually ran the end around, the runner who was faking broke clear of the line at least twice... makes me think if we fake the endaround and let the runner actually keep it, the play should be more successful than if we actually run it

but the threat has to be credible either way...

[Keino]

i was noticing when we actually ran the end around, the runner who was faking broke clear of the line at least twice... makes me think if we fake the endaround and let the runner actually keep it, the play should be more successful than if we actually run it

but the threat has to be credible either way...

We actually ran the exact play you speak of against Miami and Philly, both times getting at least 4-5 yards out of it.

[shally]

We actually ran the exact play you speak of against Miami and Philly, both times getting at least 4-5 yards out of it.

i remember now..

but on the end around, betts (i think) was totally free and would have picked up about 20 yards if they had given it to him....

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i remember now..

but on the end around, betts (i think) was totally free and would have picked up about 20 yards if they had given it to him....
I don't think that's possible. Betts has a clause in his contract that prohibits him from running for more than 10 yards on one carry (or scoring a TD).

[shally]

I don't think that's possible. Betts has a clause in his contract that prohibits him from running for more than 10 yards on one carry (or scoring a TD).

he has a "self-trip" mechanism that activates at the 1 yard line or if he has run 15 yards--whichever comes first..

[James F. Quinn]

Why?

He hasn't hurt the team.

What to do about the offense?

The blaming Brandon Lloyd thing is getting old because he hasn't been on the field.

That was Clinton Portis' take in his interview. There was much made of a past CP comment that seemed down on Brandon; this latest comment makes a big difference.

[silverspring]

Why?

He hasn't hurt the team.

What to do about the offense?

Get a new play caller, consolidate the offensive scheme design to one coach, instead of on be deciding on who will be on the field, and one deciding what play to run, and then how about better clock management. You do that, most problems solved. The blaming Brandon Lloyd thing is getting old because he hasn't been on the field. Want to blame receiving, then blame Cooley and Moss fro dropping way too many passes.

I agree but I don't think we need a new play caller we need to just try one coach and one caller. Eliminate the confusion in the coaches corner and see how it takes. I also agree that lloyd hasn't been given the chance to make an effect either way. The coaches need to get through to him and get him on the field to contribute. He is a turd but he is a turd we paid a massive amount of money knowing he was a turd. Instead of benching him try getting through to him.

We need to pound the ball more often with our RBs. Portis and Betts carried the ball 34 times against the Dolphins. That number has declined each of the last two games.

Versus the Giants, they combined for 21 carries. That is certainly not enough carries, especially considering the Redskins held the lead for most of the game...AND since 2 of those carries took place with less than 1 minute on the clock!

We need 32+ total carries from Portis/Betts and nothing less if we want to win.

Agreed. I don't think we need some magic fix to the offense. Lets focus on what we are good at, lets simplify things. Lets pound the ball and throw it deep enough times to get defenses out of the box and so cooley doesn't have to block all game. Cooley needs to become a 3rd down conversion machine for us.

[CNYSkinFan]

apparently all we needed to fdo was sign another WR......

[Monk81]

sign Randy Moss next off season when he is a free agent

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

1.) I would go out and try to find a 6'3"+ WR. Someone we can count on in the redzone.

2.) I would change play calling inside the redzone. I'll never understand why Gibbs loves to pack everyone in a bunch formation and then try to run the ball. You're asking to get short or no yardage.

3.) I'd move Campbell around in the pocket. Do some roll outs and sorts. I'd use his mobility more often. That would give the defense another thing to worry about. How nice would it have been to seen a bootleg on that 4th and goal to win the game? If you notice, the entire defense bit on the running play to Betts. Campbell could have walked into the endzone.

4.) I would attack the middle of the field A LOT more often. When we did against the Giants it worked. From what I can remember we only threw inside of the numbers 3 or 4 times. And two of those were in the final drive.

5.) I'd use more screen plays. Especially against defenses that like to blitz us.
good points mike. i also agree with keino about letting campbell loose.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

I think some screen passes to supplement the running game...plus some more deep attempts and for the love of life install some audibles that Campbell can call to get out of bad plays or run in a hurry up or 2 minute scheme. That would help this offense tremendously. Plus lets just give it time I mean daggone guys it isnt even thanksgiving yet. We have one loss and everyone thinks we are belly up. Lets sit back relax and see what we got at the midway point before we allow all this bashing and boohooing to continue. For the record I dont think we are that far off.

[soridu_snakeu]

Hey, hey.... I got an idea
how about we add QB sneak to Saunders Dictionary of plays? Oh! and maybe use players that are always benched, like the ones that get payed ALOT of money just to show up(85... need i say more?)
Im salty... SALTY i tell you over this Saunders character...

[greatest2]

take the handcuffs of JC. and fellas and ladies, don't act like they are not there.

Pound it more, and let JC be JC. We will be dominant, and if not, the kid learns on the fly.

[Hr fan]

There are many steps that will improve the team other than new personnel. A number of these are given above (let the coordinators do their job, etc.)

I was a believer in expanding the coaching staff. With the cap, etc., it seemed to me this would be the next leap forward. Mea culpa! What has resulted is a lack of control and too many to coordinate in the very brief time spans that in-game conditions allow. We have the S coach not talking to the CB coach; a LB coach using personnel that are clearly inferior; and an expanded number of egos to be comsidered and soothed. So IMO pare down the coaching staff, institute principles on a team O, D and ST basis, and let the remaining coaches rule their realms baring only specific circumstances. While I can not guarqantee it, at the very least the clock management issues should cease. Shorter lines of communication will do that.

[shally]

I think some screen passes to supplement the running game...plus some more deep attempts and for the love of life install some audibles that Campbell can call to get out of bad plays or run in a hurry up or 2 minute scheme. That would help this offense tremendously. Plus lets just give it time I mean daggone guys it isnt even thanksgiving yet. We have one loss and everyone thinks we are belly up. Lets sit back relax and see what we got at the midway point before we allow all this bashing and boohooing to continue. For the record I dont think we are that far off.

great point about the screen pass. i have always wondered why we dont use it more..

as long as you have a deep threat, it should work.. of course it requires touch, and backs who can handle the pass and portis does fight it a lot.

[GWBlitzST]

I'd get a coach who doesn't fold it up when we're up by a touchdown. A blowout (I don't count San Fran b/c everyone blew them out) hasn't happened since Gibbs came back. Gibbs needs to coach during the week, but he doesn't even need a headset come gametime.

[GWBlitzST]

I would also make Portis and Sellers our RB combo with Betts getting about 10% of the carries.

[shally]

I would also make Portis and Sellers our RB combo with Betts getting about 10% of the carries.

although i fervently agree, i think that it would be a very tough sell for the coaches who seem to have way too much man-love for betts

[Homer07]

Score points! :drunker:

[Hr fan]

I agree but I don't think we need a new play caller we need to just try one coach and one caller. Eliminate the confusion in the coaches corner and see how it takes. I also agree that lloyd hasn't been given the chance to make an effect either way. The coaches need to get through to him and get him on the field to contribute. He is a turd but he is a turd we paid a massive amount of money knowing he was a turd. Instead of benching him try getting through to him.



Agreed. I don't think we need some magic fix to the offense. Lets focus on what we are good at, lets simplify things. Lets pound the ball and throw it deep enough times to get defenses out of the box and so cooley doesn't have to block all game. Cooley needs to become a 3rd down conversion machine for us.

Agreed to point 1. Clearly there are too many cooks and coaching titles. Position coaches should shephard their players and advisory onloy on game days. "Coordinators" etc. should be advisory only about package substitution, etc., and only when either GW or AS asks for input. JG should make calls and make decisions as required game conditions, and coordinate the immediate staff below him. It's too many cooks and no waiters and bus boys. The colleges do it successfully, why not the Redskins?

On point 2 IMO going to classic Gibbs pound the ball O went out the window when the Oline suffered a 60% change. Wade is better at pass pro, the opposite of Jansen. Fabini by any measure is a stop gap. Expecting run block movement from him on a consistent basis is not reasonable IMO. Kendall is an upgrade to DD but it takes a long time to develop communication. It's starting from Xs and Os, which he is rapidly mastering, to being able to communicate both explicitly and implicitly with his linemates in all situations. This takes time and may not be really effective until rather late in the season. Also facing the Ds that have been thrown at us it is a choice of keeping Cooley in to block until the Oline settles down, or putting him in a pattern whose timing coincides with JC being on his back or flushed from the poscket, destroying timing in a timing based pass O.

[Meatsnack]

If it's next February and I'm the GM a lot depends on how Thomas and Jansen recover. Wade is a better pass blocker than Jansen but inferior as a run blocker. Thomas's absence means that we can't run the ball to the left as well because he was a great pulling guard. If we want to be a run-first football team, and Gibbs says we do, then we need offensive linemen who can get you that 2-3 yards pick-up even when everyone knows the run is coming (I know I'm not the only one old enough to remember those days).

In the April Draft I target the best available D-lineman, O-lineman, WR in that order of preference if two players are rated equal. With 6 picks (unless we get a compensatory pick for Dockery), I should come out of it with 4 or 5 linemen.

In February, before the draft, I look hard for a legit #2/borderline #1 receiver . The best 2008 UFA’s for 2008, though, look like Bernard Berrian of the Bears, Patrick Crayton of the Cowpies, and Bryant Johnson of the Cards. The rumors about Fitzgerald are too good to be true but if he does have an opt-out, I am on him. Fitz isn’t a true #1 receiver in my mind but he is perfect for the Saunders’ timing offense due to the preciseness of his route running. So, I look to make a play for Berrian, Johnson, or maybe Fitzgerald if available and the price isn’t astronomical.

Also in FA, I look to come away with a lineman or two. Porkchop Womack is an oft-injured but highly effective when healthy lineman who has played every O-line position but center. Womack would be a very effective back-up guard. He will be an UFA from Seattle in 2008. Max Starks would be my primary target for RT if Jansen is even a little slow coming back from his ankle. At 6’8 and 340#, the ORT comes from a power running offense and can road grade. If he starts looking at getting Dockery+ money, I walk away and wait for April. Heyer is looking like the heir-apparent at OLT, so I leave him alone. Last (and slightly off-topic), on the defensive side of the ball, I take a long hard look at Albert Haynesworth, UFA Tennessee) who has played his best ball since coming back from his self-inflicted suspension due to the stomping incident. He was a clean kid before and after the incident and is a real problem in the middle since mid-season 2006.

Assuming I get anything positive done in FA, I look forward to the draft.
O-line prospects by round:

Round 1: OTs – Jake Long (UM,gone in first three picks), Alex Boone (OSU), Ryan Clady (Boise), Sam Baker (Southern Cal), Mike Oher (Mississippi) OGs – Jeremy Perry (Oregon State – I always wanted an angry beaver playing for us)
Round 2/3: OT/OGs – Gosden Cherilus (BC), Barry Richardson (Clemson), Kirk Barton (OSU), Jordan Grimes (Purdue), Will Arnold (LSU), Robert Felton (Arkansas)

I also look to draft Rabach’s successor at some point on day 2 because if Casey goes down we are all kinds of screwed. I like either Jonathan Luigs of Arkansas or Mike McGlynn of Pittsburg.

On the WR front, I like Adarius Bowman (Oklahoma St), DeSean Jackson (UC-Berkley), and Limas Sweed in the first round. Jackson is basically a clone of Santana Moss and a threat to go the distance at any time. Sweed is breaking all of Roy Williams’ receiving records at Texas, and Bowman is 6’4” with real speed, hands, and leaping ability. Bowman is like Terrell Owens was before he became a sideshow.

In June I cut Lloyd, addition by subtraction.

There, offense fixed. ;)

[Brokenstriker]

I love Sellers, he's a great FB, but the running game and the passing game seem to click better with a double TE set. I would keep sellers for short yardage sets, but I would play another combo TE over him. Another thought is to play the Pony formation:

X: S. Moss
X: ARE
TE: Cooley
LT: Samuels
LG: Kendall
C: Rabach
RG: Thomas
RT: Jansen/Heyer/Wade
QB: Campbell
RB: Betts
HB: Portis

Remember 2005? ... Sellers as the receiver in "and goal" situations ... good hands and TDs ...

ah well ... interesting about the Pony formation ... both Betts and Portis can handle blocking (in a RB blocking context)

[akhhorus]

Remember 2005? ... Sellers as the receiver in "and goal" situations ... good hands and TDs ...

2005 is 2005. The Saunders offense in DC seems to hum much better in the Ace Flex.

ah well ... interesting about the Pony formation ... both Betts and Portis can handle blocking (in a RB blocking context)

It works if you move one RB into the slot a lot to get them to get out of their formations.

[colkurtz]

1. Obtain a big possession WR

2. Commit to either the Gibbs or Saunders offense and stick with it all season. I'd go with Saunders - he has the scores to make this offense move out and score. Gibbs is just too tight to allow a big score game.

3. find a TE who can block to free cooley

4. Start to draft for the offensive line depth

[LATrueRedskin]

They need to execute better. It's as simple as that. Dropped passes, missed blocks, penalties, more accurate passes, proper technique, etc. I don't believe Gibbs and Saunders are butting heads about the play-calling at all. Saunders calls the plays on offense, the players need to perform better.

[Syllable]

Right now, we are gashed at on the running game. We cannot seriously attempt to still be a power running team with a decimated line. What we need to do is change our philosophy to something that isn't so predictable. We always run to the left and mostly run, or throw a short screen or swing pass on first and second. <-------- Needs to change. Look around the league, most successful teams play a type of spread offense, or have incredibly talented players. Look at the Patriots( granted we do not have randy moss or Tom Brady), but most of his completions are spreading the defense out and taking short dink and dunk passes in shotgun or 4 wide out sets to reduce the blitz. Cowboys, doing the same thing with witten, crayton, and Owens. This is just my opinion, and im no football expert, but we need to open up our offense and start attempting some more intermediate routes instead of being predictable. Also Campbell needs to get a bit more accurate, its kinda dissapointing on the missed deep balls and his chronic innability to hit a short target in the numbers instead of high and in the air. To be honest, Old Mark was hitting those wide open deep routes.

[joethefan]

for the sake of no changing something again I would have to keep sanders...but I would convince Gibbs to either take a FO or roll out...It's hurts me to say it but too many of the same painful things have happened with this team since he's been here..and if everything starts with him as he says after every loss...and count how many times has he said that!!!!

Do you know that 36 of the regualar season games, we scored under 21 points....that alone is an issue....changing OC's after a playoff run ret up back another 2 years....IMO

get a pass rush.....get some young speedy guys on the end....OH and get some fire back....it seems like we get too soft when we have a team down....we need to learn how to crush people...IMO from the beginning to the end...then shake hands afterwards....

[Keino]

The answer to our Offensive woes are simple. Score some more points.


If you would like any other obvious answers, like What color is Grass, please feel free to send me a PM.

[RicFlairOne]

[quote=Keino;1015688]The answer to our Offensive woes are simple. Score some more points.

Our offense is anemic, period! If Campbell studied all summer turn him loose and see what he can do. Roll out Campbell more and spread the field Saunders was brought in here to do a job let's see what he can do. If the Skins struggle against the Lions Sunday we are in trouble. Look at the good teams: Pats, Colts, Cowboys (hurts me to say it) all spread the field. Heck, Cleveland is even scoring lots of points. Our personnel is not being used correctly and I AM NOT GETTING PAID MILLIONS to call the plays. Same thing every year no origination & predictable play calling !!

PS: Don't use injuries as an excuse the o-line was healthly last year and the results were the same. Every team has injuries some just deal with them better than others. It's the Coaching / Play calling people !!

[shally]

[quote=Keino;1015688]The answer to our Offensive woes are simple. Score some more points.

Our offense is anemic, period! If Campbell studied all summer turn him loose and see what he can do. Roll out Campbell more and spread the field Saunders was brought in here to do a job let's see what he can do. If the Skins struggle against the Lions Sunday we are in trouble. Look at the good teams: Pats, Colts, Cowboys (hurts me to say it) all spread the field. Heck, Cleveland is even scoring lots of points. Our personnel is not being used correctly and I AM NOT GETTING PAID MILLIONS to call the plays. Same thing every year no origination & predictable play calling !!

PS: Don't use injuries as an excuse the o-line was healthly last year and the results were the same. Every team has injuries some just deal with them better than others. It's the Coaching / Play calling people !!


to be fair, having 3/5 of the offensive line replaced does have an impact on an offense.
but, we could be doing more

[skins74]

Danny should send Gibbs and Saunders some vanilla ice cream because that's what their offense is........ vanilla!

[esmith1790]

i saw comments about skins scoring and their past. I saw a thread on ES about the scoring breakdown. I thought it might be interesting on here,


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In recent years I've been routinely amazed at the numerous predictions around here that consistently have the redskins scoring 30 or more points. Sorry, but even against teams with bad defenses, this team gets touchdowns about as easily as a sumo wrestler with constipation intestinal blockage gets a bowel movement.

Since Gibbs return, the redskins have played 53 games (including postseason). Here is a breakdown of those 53 games by points scored........

0-9 points
6 (or 11.3%)

10-19
29 (54.7%)

20-29
10 (18.8%)

30-39
8 (15.1%)

40-49
0 (0%)

50 or more
1 (1.8%)


So basically, in 45 of the last 53 games played (85%), the redskins have scored less than 30 points. If you go back to 2000, its 102 of 117 (or 87.2%)....that averages out to about two games a year in which the skins manage to hit the 30 mark.
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[LATrueRedskin]

i saw comments about skins scoring and their past. I saw a thread on ES about the scoring breakdown. I thought it might be interesting on here,


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In recent years I've been routinely amazed at the numerous predictions around here that consistently have the redskins scoring 30 or more points. Sorry, but even against teams with bad defenses, this team gets touchdowns about as easily as a sumo wrestler with constipation intestinal blockage gets a bowel movement.

Since Gibbs return, the redskins have played 53 games (including postseason). Here is a breakdown of those 53 games by points scored........

0-9 points
6 (or 11.3%)

10-19
29 (54.7%)

20-29
10 (18.8%)

30-39
8 (15.1%)

40-49
0 (0%)

50 or more
1 (1.8%)


So basically, in 45 of the last 53 games played (85%), the redskins have scored less than 30 points. If you go back to 2000, its 102 of 117 (or 87.2%)....that averages out to about two games a year in which the skins manage to hit the 30 mark.
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No surprise there. We have no redzone WR presence, and haven't really had a passing game to speak of since Gibbs' return. However, when Gibbs called the plays, at least he gameplanned and had a strategy to win a game. It seems as if Saunders just picks plays willy-nilly no matter who we play. He's getting better at that, but he hasn't really attacked opposing defense's weaknesses.

[esmith1790]

No surprise there. We have no redzone WR presence, and haven't really had a passing game to speak of since Gibbs' return. However, when Gibbs called the plays, at least he gameplanned and had a strategy to win a game. It seems as if Saunders just picks plays willy-nilly no matter who we play. He's getting better at that, but he hasn't really attacked opposing defense's weaknesses.

i am sure if someone did it for the boys the numbers would be around the same.:cry:

[LATrueRedskin]

i am sure if someone did it for the boys the numbers would be around the same.:cry:

Yeah, that's just fans being fans. Of course we're going to predict 30-point games every week. I bet that's pretty normal around the message boards. Right now the Cowboys are making it happen. For now. :)

[Battle Cat]

Right now, we are gashed at on the running game. We cannot seriously attempt to still be a power running team with a decimated line. What we need to do is change our philosophy to something that isn't so predictable. We always run to the left and mostly run, or throw a short screen or swing pass on first and second. <-------- Needs to change. Look around the league, most successful teams play a type of spread offense, or have incredibly talented players. Look at the Patriots( granted we do not have randy moss or Tom Brady), but most of his completions are spreading the defense out and taking short dink and dunk passes in shotgun or 4 wide out sets to reduce the blitz. Cowboys, doing the same thing with witten, crayton, and Owens. This is just my opinion, and im no football expert, but we need to open up our offense and start attempting some more intermediate routes instead of being predictable. Also Campbell needs to get a bit more accurate, its kinda dissapointing on the missed deep balls and his chronic innability to hit a short target in the numbers instead of high and in the air. To be honest, Old Mark was hitting those wide open deep routes.
Brunnell hitting deep routes lol are you serious? Where was I when this was happening? We are predictable now but with Mark in we were even more predictable. Far more.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Since Gibbs return, the redskins have played 53 games (including postseason). Here is a breakdown of those 53 games by points scored........

0-9 points
6 (or 11.3%)

10-19
29 (54.7%)

20-29
10 (18.8%)

30-39
8 (15.1%)

40-49
0 (0%)

50 or more
1 (1.8%)


So basically, in 45 of the last 53 games played (85%), the redskins have scored less than 30 points. If you go back to 2000, its 102 of 117 (or 87.2%)....that averages out to about two games a year in which the skins manage to hit the 30 mark.
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That's as pathetic as you can get. Especially because we've lost at least a couple of those 30+ point games, and quite a few of those 20+ ones.

[joethefan]

That's as pathetic as you can get. Especially because we've lost at least a couple of those 30+ point games, and quite a few of those 20+ ones.


yea but the stat that gets me is that 36 of the games since gibbs has been here, we have scored less than 21...talk about offensive prodction.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

yea but the stat that gets me is that 36 of the games since gibbs has been here, we have scored less than 21...talk about offensive prodction.
Yeah. We have been consistently incapable of putting points on the scoreboard.

[joethefan]

Yeah. We have been consistently incapable of putting points on the scoreboard.

THAT'S WHY IF YOU STARTS WITH YOU, (GIBBS) THEN IMO YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT YOU AIN'T GETTING IT DONE.....THAT TELLS ME THAT IT SEEMS LIKE DANNY DOESN'T CARE.....HE'S JUST ROLLING IN THE CHA CHING

[Hr fan]

Right now, we are gashed at on the running game. We cannot seriously attempt to still be a power running team with a decimated line. What we need to do is change our philosophy to something that isn't so predictable. We always run to the left and mostly run, or throw a short screen or swing pass on first and second. <-------- Needs to change. Look around the league, most successful teams play a type of spread offense, or have incredibly talented players. Look at the Patriots( granted we do not have randy moss or Tom Brady), but most of his completions are spreading the defense out and taking short dink and dunk passes in shotgun or 4 wide out sets to reduce the blitz. Cowboys, doing the same thing with witten, crayton, and Owens. This is just my opinion, and im no football expert, but we need to open up our offense and start attempting some more intermediate routes instead of being predictable. Also Campbell needs to get a bit more accurate, its kinda dissapointing on the missed deep balls and his chronic innability to hit a short target in the numbers instead of high and in the air. To be honest, Old Mark was hitting those wide open deep routes.

:goodpost: As long as our O is short runs and shorter passes we will face 8-9 in the box. And our running game will be stymied.

[shally]

:goodpost: As long as our O is short runs and shorter passes we will face 8-9 in the box. And our running game will be stymied.

the more things change, the more they remain the same..

unless there is a credible upfield threat, teams are going to crowd the box and smother our running game.

this was true with brunell, and is true with JC.. they need to turn him loose more