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CNYSkinFan
10-08-2007, 02:33 PM
Ok maybe someone can enlighten me here. I havbe been racking my brain on this for 24 hours and I still don't have an answer. This is not meant to be a negative thread, far from it. BUt when we were leading 22-3.... Why did we go for two?

Now the point spread was 19 points....meaning the lioas would have to get 2 touchdowns, 2 two point conversions, and a FG to tie. 1 more point, an extra point kick, would have assured that Deroit would need to get at least three tds. A two point conversion would not make a difference.

So why do it? Any opther Coach I would say he was trying to stick into the opponents eye. BUt not Coach Gibbs so there must be something I am missing....right?

shally
10-08-2007, 02:35 PM
Ok maybe someone can enlighten me here. I havbe been racking my brain on this for 24 hours and I still don't have an answer. This is not meant to be a negative thread, far from it. BUt when we were leading 22-3.... Why did we go for two?

Now the point spread was 19 points....meaning the lioas would have to get 2 touchdowns, 2 two point conversions, and a FG to tie. 1 more point, an extra point kick, would have assured that Deroit would need to get at least three tds. A two point conversion would not make a difference.

So why do it? Any opther Coach I would say he was trying to stick into the opponents eye. BUt not Coach Gibbs so there must be something I am missing....right?

most certainly not any reason to show up the lions.. the tv announcers had it right.. making it a 3 td game.. you assume 7 points per td since that is what they will do.. had nothing to do with point spread or anything except getting it back to a 3 td game

CarMike
10-08-2007, 02:35 PM
We kick the EP and its 23-3.

Lions score 3 TDs like the Giants did 2 weeks ago and its 24-23

We lose.

Meatsnack
10-08-2007, 02:36 PM
Ok maybe someone can enlighten me here. I havbe been racking my brain on this for 24 hours and I still don't have an answer. This is not meant to be a negative thread, far from it. BUt when we were leading 22-3.... Why did we go for two?

Now the point spread was 19 points....meaning the lioas would have to get 2 touchdowns, 2 two point conversions, and a FG to tie. 1 more point, an extra point kick, would have assured that Deroit would need to get at least three tds. A two point conversion would not make a difference.

So why do it? Any opther Coach I would say he was trying to stick into the opponents eye. BUt not Coach Gibbs so there must be something I am missing....right?

3 + 21 (3 TDs + extra Points) = 24

22 + 2 = 24

Gibbs + watching Detroit hang 34 on the Lions in 15 minutes of the 4th quarter = going for 2

dj_stouty
10-08-2007, 02:37 PM
Yup...Gibbs wanted a (3) TD lead.

Redskin4Life
10-08-2007, 02:43 PM
Ok maybe someone can enlighten me here. I havbe been racking my brain on this for 24 hours and I still don't have an answer. This is not meant to be a negative thread, far from it. BUt when we were leading 22-3.... Why did we go for two?

Now the point spread was 19 points....meaning the lioas would have to get 2 touchdowns, 2 two point conversions, and a FG to tie. 1 more point, an extra point kick, would have assured that Deroit would need to get at least three tds. A two point conversion would not make a difference.

So why do it? Any opther Coach I would say he was trying to stick into the opponents eye. BUt not Coach Gibbs so there must be something I am missing....right?
Honestly, I was trying to figure that out myself... Coach Gibbs is one of those old school, I-won't-put-salt-on-the-wound kind of coach. He's all about respecting his opponent no matter what... hence his desire to run the ball late and shutting down the O when leading by more than two scores. But Coach Saunders DOES go for the jugular with no qualms.... maybe JG is letting BOTH coordinators coach their respective sides of the ball and he's really just HELPING out when a coordinator needs it/managing the clock/doing his best Bobby Bowden impersonation.

RedskinRyan
10-08-2007, 02:45 PM
3 + 21 (3 TDs + extra Points) = 24

22 + 2 = 24

Gibbs + watching Detroit hang 34 on the Lions in 15 minutes of the 4th quarter = going for 2

yes, those pesky detroit lions put up 34 on themselves :)

to make it a 21 pt lead is why we went for two. also, play to win, something missing in the giants game. like that 4th down we went for.

SkinsfaninNJ
10-08-2007, 02:46 PM
Yup...Gibbs wanted a (3) TD lead.

My thoughts too, and it made sense to me at the time, but maybe I was just giddy.

CarMike
10-08-2007, 02:46 PM
Honestly, I was trying to figure that out myself... Coach Gibbs is one of those old school, I-won't-put-salt-on-the-wound kind of coach. He's all about respecting his opponent no matter what... hence his desire to run the ball late and shutting down the O when leading by more than two scores. But Coach Saunders DOES go for the jugular with no qualms.... maybe JG is letting BOTH coordinators coach their respective sides of the ball and he's really just HELPING out when a coordinator needs it/managing the clock/doing his best Bobby Bowden impersonation.
Huh? lol

We needed to go for 2 so we'd be up 3 TD's. Has nothing with Saunders running up the score.

CNYSkinFan
10-08-2007, 02:48 PM
ok I understand now...I guess it was an acceptable risk as if they did not make it then Detroit could have gotten back in it with two tds and two two point conversions and A FG. Which of course is unlikely.

Red Bear
10-08-2007, 02:52 PM
i liked the call to go for two and balance the score out

bergiemoore
10-08-2007, 02:56 PM
Cooley needed another endzone reception.

Keino
10-08-2007, 02:58 PM
Saunders started Cooley on his Fantasy team......

Farmer Ted
10-08-2007, 02:59 PM
Ok maybe someone can enlighten me here. I havbe been racking my brain on this for 24 hours and I still don't have an answer. This is not meant to be a negative thread, far from it. BUt when we were leading 22-3.... Why did we go for two?


We wanted a 21 point lead, and we wanted to remind those losers from Detroilet that they are now 0-21 in DC.

redskin_rich
10-08-2007, 03:22 PM
The 2 point conversion chart says to go for 2 when up by 19.

SkinsfaninNJ
10-08-2007, 03:28 PM
The 2 point conversion chart says to go for 2 when up by 19.

My chart says stay on 19.

smave
10-08-2007, 03:31 PM
Because we run the score up like Peyton and the Colts.

When playing a horrible defense like Detroit, we take advantage of every possible point we are capable of getting

dj_stouty
10-08-2007, 03:36 PM
My chart says stay on 19.

This one says go for 2 when ahead 19...

http://www.normhitzges.com/thechart.htm

redskin_rich
10-08-2007, 03:41 PM
My chart says stay on 19.

Even when the dealer has a face card showing? ;)

SkinsfaninNJ
10-08-2007, 03:42 PM
This one says go for 2 when ahead 19...

http://www.normhitzges.com/thechart.htm

This card says 19 is off the charts so you have to stay.

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack

Keino
10-08-2007, 03:42 PM
My chart says stay on 19.

No, No. You are looking at your Casino Blackjack chart. Get your mind out of the gutter (Meaning Atlantic City).

dj_stouty
10-08-2007, 03:42 PM
Even when the dealer has a face card showing? ;)

Doh. I missed the joke.

Either way, NEVER hit on 19!

bergiemoore
10-08-2007, 03:44 PM
Doh. I missed the joke.

Either way, NEVER hit on 19!

I thought it was 17? 19 is legal, right?

Keino
10-08-2007, 03:45 PM
Even when the dealer has a face card showing? ;)


If you hit on 19 when Im at the table, you better not be the 1st person playing. I'd be rather pissed off at you for not forcing the dealer to beat you or bust out so that the whole table wins.

redskin_rich
10-08-2007, 03:48 PM
If you hit on 19 when Im at the table, you better not be the 1st person playing. I'd be rather pissed off at you for not forcing the dealer to beat you or bust out so that the whole table wins.
Don't worry, I was just playing along the joke, I would never hit a 19. I'm quite conservative at the blackjack table, I won't even split two 10's.

dj_stouty
10-08-2007, 03:51 PM
Don't worry, I was just playing along the joke, I would never hit a 19. I'm quite conservative at the blackjack table, I won't even split two 10's.

Basic BJ strategy says you stand on 10s no matter what the dealer is showing.

Keino
10-08-2007, 03:52 PM
Don't worry, I was just playing along the joke, I would never hit a 19. I'm quite conservative at the blackjack table, I won't even split two 10's.

Wow. That is conservative. I would split 10s.

SkinsfaninNJ
10-08-2007, 04:07 PM
Isn't this board much more fun after a win? Everything felt good today.

Moe
10-08-2007, 04:09 PM
The three td lead was certainly the primary goal, but I think this was also a case of it simply being a good time to get in some game time experience for a 2pt. conversion. The game was well decided at this point, so there was little to lose.

The_Sonny_Of_Sammy
10-08-2007, 04:43 PM
We already had a TD, FG and a safety. Coach Gibbs needed the 2 point conversion to hit for the cycle.;)

PennSkinsFan
10-08-2007, 05:04 PM
As accurate as Campbell was and the game he was having, why not. Evening otu the score for a 3 TD lead was the answer, but atthe stadium, it was pretty clear in my section everyone was in favor of going for 2. To close of memories of the Giants storming back.

hail2skins
10-08-2007, 05:21 PM
yes, those pesky detroit lions put up 34 on themselves :)

to make it a 21 pt lead is why we went for two. also, play to win, something missing in the giants game. like that 4th down we went for.Yeah, but it was of what you said first than the latter part. 3 TD's and they win if we didn't go for two. What if they had score them, isnt' the rule to go for win on the road and the tie at home. It could be vice versa.

Farmer Ted
10-08-2007, 05:46 PM
We already had a TD, FG and a safety. Coach Gibbs needed the 2 point conversion to hit for the cycle.;)

Wow, you're right, we pretty much scored everyway possible in that game. Passing TD, rushing TD, INT for a TD, FG, extra-point, 2-pt conversion and a safety. And we almost had the punt return as well. Poor special teams got shut out.

shally
10-08-2007, 05:48 PM
Yeah, but it was of what you said first than the latter part. 3 TD's and they win if we didn't go for two. What if they had score them, isnt' the rule to go for win on the road and the tie at home. It could be vice versa.

vive versa.. and it is usually said to be a baseball rule.. not sure if it is applicable to football. but it may also go back to a football era when there ACTUALLY were ties. so a road tie was not the worst thing to have... in the old days, when pittsburgh was still in the nfl and there were only a total of 12 teams total, they had one season in which they actually had 4 or 5 ties. it made figuring who was ahead inthe conference crazy because, unlike hockey, there was no format for awarding one point for a tie and 2 points for a win.. they faded towards the end of the year, but i remember how dizzy it made everything

if i were a visiting coach and i had a chance to put away a home team in regulation and avoid OT, i would do it..

edit... 1963 the steelers went 7-4-3 (not quite as many ties as i recalled, but still a lot in one season)

SpicyMcHaggis
10-08-2007, 05:58 PM
I thought it was a no-brainer to go for 2.

smoak
10-08-2007, 06:39 PM
We kick the EP and its 23-3.

Lions score 3 TDs like the Giants did 2 weeks ago and its 24-23

We lose.

Exactly. Great call there but as usual, fans in the stands booed. :rolleyes:

LadyNRedskinsfan
10-08-2007, 06:56 PM
Exactly. Great call there but as usual, fans in the stands booed.
yeah, i heard that. and im going to need some of us to stop cheering loud on 3rd and 4th downs when we're on offense. :doh: thats the exact time when we are supposed to be quiet and everyone gets all excited and starts to cheer. :whoknows:

smoak
10-08-2007, 06:59 PM
yeah, i heard that. and im going to need some of us to stop cheering loud on 3rd and 4th downs when we're on offense. :doh: thats the exact time when we are supposed to be quiet and everyone gets all excited and starts to cheer. :whoknows:

While I would normally refer you to www.fansarestupid.com, the PA announcer was NOT helping when he would recap the big plays (thus pumping up the crowd) before the snap....

From where I sit, I can't hear the piped in crowd noise, but there are som sad thing going on upstairs at FedEx.

LadyNRedskinsfan
10-08-2007, 07:03 PM
While I would normally refer you to www.fansarestupid.com, the PA announcer was NOT helping when he would recap the big plays (thus pumping up the crowd) before the snap....

From where I sit, I can't hear the piped in crowd noise, but there are som sad thing going on upstairs at FedEx.
Lol. i know and i said that exact same thing during the game when he was talking about the thrash's punt return right before a 3rd down play on offense, but it wasn't just that play, it was a few plays....

skinsfan36
10-08-2007, 11:50 PM
good call in my opinion and im glad we were agressive

smoak
10-09-2007, 03:35 AM
Lol. i know and i said that exact same thing during the game when he was talking about the thrash's punt return right before a 3rd down play on offense, but it wasn't just that play, it was a few plays....

Yeah, they were announcing all kinds of stuff that you know would get a reaction from the fans when we were on offense??? WTH??? Someone needs to be gagged.

hail2skins
10-09-2007, 10:15 AM
Saunders started Cooley on his Fantasy team......rotflmao

hail2skins
10-09-2007, 10:20 AM
Basic BJ strategy says you stand on 10s no matter what the dealer is showing.I'm sorry, but part of this statement is just too darn funny.

colkurtz
10-09-2007, 09:45 PM
It was a very good call which showed faith in the QB and the offense. We need more of that the rest of this season.

smoak
10-10-2007, 06:12 AM
I'm sorry, but part of this statement is just too darn funny.

As long as you BJ strategy doesn't involve tapping your foot...

People don't like the distractions at the table.

:D

JoeDaSchmoe
10-10-2007, 06:45 AM
As long as you BJ strategy doesn't involve tapping your foot...

People don't like the distractions at the table.

...or under it. ;)

CNYSkinFan
10-10-2007, 07:01 AM
This thread took a turn for the worse...

but continue it's fun reading.

(Btw Smoak tap my foot? LMAO!!)

ChiefPowhatan17
10-10-2007, 03:19 PM
We kick the EP and its 23-3.

Lions score 3 TDs like the Giants did 2 weeks ago and its 24-23

We lose.

That's it. A bit of over protection, but I think we can't be to overly cautious.

youngestson
10-10-2007, 09:07 PM
Dare we say it:

A killer instinct & learning from experience.

Hr fan
10-11-2007, 04:59 AM
Yeah, but it was of what you said first than the latter part. 3 TD's and they win if we didn't go for two. What if they had score them, isnt' the rule to go for win on the road and the tie at home. It could be vice versa.

Agree. One point does nothing except allow 3 TDs to beat you. Same for a missed 2 pointer. A made 2 pointer forces a tie if they get 3 TDs. Thus the 2 point conversion is the only play that could affect the outcome of the game.