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09-08-2003, 08:36 AM
This appears today in Salon.com. Since I have a subscription to the e-zine I reproduce it here. Thought you might enjoy this perspective. Read on...
King Kaufman's Sports Daily
Rush Limbaugh debates a trio of ex-jocks and gets smoked. Who said he'd be no fun as a football commentator?
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Sept. 8, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh made his "official" debut on ESPN's "NFL Countdown" Sunday, and while he didn't look and act like a big fat idiot, he did show why he so rarely engages in debate on the radio show that's made him famous.
Michael Irvin pretty much routed him intellectually. Yeah, Michael Irvin.
The former Cowboys receiver impressed me as nothing more than a back-slapping buffoon in a sharp suit during his previous gig, on Fox's "The Best Damn Sports Show, Period," but he had no trouble trumping Limbaugh's arguments as Limbaugh made his second appearance on the ESPN show. Host Chris Berman called it an official debut without explaining why Thursday's show, before the season-opening game in Washington, was unofficial.
Limbaugh's role is to deliver a commentary, and then to challenge -- in the instant-replay sense of a coach challenging an official's call -- the panel up to three times a show. He can "throw his red flag" during a discussion to offer his point of view, which is presumed to be representative of the fans at home and fundamentally different from the former star players on the panel, Irvin, Steve Young and Tom Jackson.
On the radio, Limbaugh likes to pontificate, to preach to the choir that makes up his audience, and his highly challengeable statements are never challenged. It's not for nothing that his audience is known as Dittoheads. And it looked like that was going to be the drill Sunday as Rush delivered a commentary about Lions president Matt Millen being fined $200,000 by the NFL for not interviewing a black coach this offseason before hiring Steve Mariucci, who is white. Limbaugh made essentially the same argument I made in a column in July, that the league policy does nothing more than encourage general managers to keep any intentions to hire a white coach to themselves and invite blacks in for meaningless, token interviews.
Even though I agree with Rush on this one, I'm not sure he could have survived an open debate about the issue with the panel. As reader and sometime Salon contributor Bomani Jones wrote to me in July, "The notion that 'I already know who I want to hire' is on top of the list of excuses by the good-ol'-boy network. If we consistently wind up with people hiring 'people they already want to hire,' there will continue to be the recycling of retreads we've seen over and over again ... Somebody's gotta start being accountable for that stuff."
It was too bad, not to mention ironic, that the panel didn't get a chance to challenge Limbaugh. The "Countdown" panel is far more diverse than the NFL head coaching ranks, with two white men (Berman and Young) and two black men (Irvin and Jackson). Newsroom -- or TV show panel -- diversity isn't a good thing just because it's nice to have a few dark faces in the company picture but because people from different backgrounds are likely to bring a wide range of experiences and points of view into the discussion that might be absent when all the faces are the same color.
Do Jackson and Irvin agree with Limbaugh's view that the league's must-interview policy doesn't help minorities? I'd like to know. I'd have liked to see if one of them would challenge Limbaugh to come up with a better plan, because I have a hunch Rush, who I don't think is a racist, would like to see the NFL drop the rule and simply encourage teams to hire minority coaches. Individual responsibility over governmental intervention and all that.
And I'd like to see Limbaugh get into that debate because I think he'd lose it, the way he lost for the rest of the day when he and the panelists did mix it up.
His first "challenge" came during a discussion of Lawyer Milloy, the All-Pro safety cut this week by the Patriots and signed by the Bills, the Pats' division rival and opening day opponent. All three former players denounced the move, saying that New England coach Bill Belichick had ripped the heart and soul out of the team on the eve of the first game by cutting a team leader.
"This is the reason I am on this program," Limbaugh said with his trademark arrogance. He defended Belichick's move, arguing that the coach believes Milloy isn't doing the job anymore. "He's thinking, 'I'm not going to stay with someone just because of sentiment,'" Limbaugh said, adding that he'd "done some research" and learned that "the Patriots are not flat. They've had great practices this week." He said the Pats were professionals who should know the score, and they were going to beat the Bills.
Jackson persisted in his argument that players seeing a star get cut would take it to mean that they too were expendable, a deflating thought. "Don't all of you know that from the minute you get in this league?" Limbaugh asked, rhetorically. But then Irvin stepped in. "Jimmy Johnson used to say all the time, you have that totem pole, and if you're on the top of that totem pole, you can get away, and you're going to always be around," Irvin said. "If you're on the bottom, you're out of here. So everybody looks at that totem pole and says, 'I just gotta be like him and I'm untouchable.' And then they learn, hey, nobody's untouchable. And it does scare your football team."
Who was right? Bills 31, Patriots 0. The Patriots looked horrible and out of sorts. Lawyer Milloy was one of the stars for the Bills.
Limbaugh's second challenge came during a discussion of Bill Parcells coaching the Cowboys. The former players were arguing about whether failing in Dallas would damage Parcells' legacy when Limbaugh challenged Young's view that it would. "Let me tell you where you're wrong about Parcells and his reputation," Limbaugh said to Young. He said that reporters so idolize Parcells that he could go 0-16 for three years and still be the greatest coach of all time in their eyes "as long as he picks up the phone and returns their calls."
The comment -- like all of Limbaugh's characterizations of "the liberal media" as a single, unthinking entity -- was so ridiculous on its face that Young didn't have to smash home a return winner, but he did: "It's not going to tarnish everything he did, but it matters if you lose."
[Continued...]
King Kaufman's Sports Daily
Rush Limbaugh debates a trio of ex-jocks and gets smoked. Who said he'd be no fun as a football commentator?
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Sept. 8, 2003 | Rush Limbaugh made his "official" debut on ESPN's "NFL Countdown" Sunday, and while he didn't look and act like a big fat idiot, he did show why he so rarely engages in debate on the radio show that's made him famous.
Michael Irvin pretty much routed him intellectually. Yeah, Michael Irvin.
The former Cowboys receiver impressed me as nothing more than a back-slapping buffoon in a sharp suit during his previous gig, on Fox's "The Best Damn Sports Show, Period," but he had no trouble trumping Limbaugh's arguments as Limbaugh made his second appearance on the ESPN show. Host Chris Berman called it an official debut without explaining why Thursday's show, before the season-opening game in Washington, was unofficial.
Limbaugh's role is to deliver a commentary, and then to challenge -- in the instant-replay sense of a coach challenging an official's call -- the panel up to three times a show. He can "throw his red flag" during a discussion to offer his point of view, which is presumed to be representative of the fans at home and fundamentally different from the former star players on the panel, Irvin, Steve Young and Tom Jackson.
On the radio, Limbaugh likes to pontificate, to preach to the choir that makes up his audience, and his highly challengeable statements are never challenged. It's not for nothing that his audience is known as Dittoheads. And it looked like that was going to be the drill Sunday as Rush delivered a commentary about Lions president Matt Millen being fined $200,000 by the NFL for not interviewing a black coach this offseason before hiring Steve Mariucci, who is white. Limbaugh made essentially the same argument I made in a column in July, that the league policy does nothing more than encourage general managers to keep any intentions to hire a white coach to themselves and invite blacks in for meaningless, token interviews.
Even though I agree with Rush on this one, I'm not sure he could have survived an open debate about the issue with the panel. As reader and sometime Salon contributor Bomani Jones wrote to me in July, "The notion that 'I already know who I want to hire' is on top of the list of excuses by the good-ol'-boy network. If we consistently wind up with people hiring 'people they already want to hire,' there will continue to be the recycling of retreads we've seen over and over again ... Somebody's gotta start being accountable for that stuff."
It was too bad, not to mention ironic, that the panel didn't get a chance to challenge Limbaugh. The "Countdown" panel is far more diverse than the NFL head coaching ranks, with two white men (Berman and Young) and two black men (Irvin and Jackson). Newsroom -- or TV show panel -- diversity isn't a good thing just because it's nice to have a few dark faces in the company picture but because people from different backgrounds are likely to bring a wide range of experiences and points of view into the discussion that might be absent when all the faces are the same color.
Do Jackson and Irvin agree with Limbaugh's view that the league's must-interview policy doesn't help minorities? I'd like to know. I'd have liked to see if one of them would challenge Limbaugh to come up with a better plan, because I have a hunch Rush, who I don't think is a racist, would like to see the NFL drop the rule and simply encourage teams to hire minority coaches. Individual responsibility over governmental intervention and all that.
And I'd like to see Limbaugh get into that debate because I think he'd lose it, the way he lost for the rest of the day when he and the panelists did mix it up.
His first "challenge" came during a discussion of Lawyer Milloy, the All-Pro safety cut this week by the Patriots and signed by the Bills, the Pats' division rival and opening day opponent. All three former players denounced the move, saying that New England coach Bill Belichick had ripped the heart and soul out of the team on the eve of the first game by cutting a team leader.
"This is the reason I am on this program," Limbaugh said with his trademark arrogance. He defended Belichick's move, arguing that the coach believes Milloy isn't doing the job anymore. "He's thinking, 'I'm not going to stay with someone just because of sentiment,'" Limbaugh said, adding that he'd "done some research" and learned that "the Patriots are not flat. They've had great practices this week." He said the Pats were professionals who should know the score, and they were going to beat the Bills.
Jackson persisted in his argument that players seeing a star get cut would take it to mean that they too were expendable, a deflating thought. "Don't all of you know that from the minute you get in this league?" Limbaugh asked, rhetorically. But then Irvin stepped in. "Jimmy Johnson used to say all the time, you have that totem pole, and if you're on the top of that totem pole, you can get away, and you're going to always be around," Irvin said. "If you're on the bottom, you're out of here. So everybody looks at that totem pole and says, 'I just gotta be like him and I'm untouchable.' And then they learn, hey, nobody's untouchable. And it does scare your football team."
Who was right? Bills 31, Patriots 0. The Patriots looked horrible and out of sorts. Lawyer Milloy was one of the stars for the Bills.
Limbaugh's second challenge came during a discussion of Bill Parcells coaching the Cowboys. The former players were arguing about whether failing in Dallas would damage Parcells' legacy when Limbaugh challenged Young's view that it would. "Let me tell you where you're wrong about Parcells and his reputation," Limbaugh said to Young. He said that reporters so idolize Parcells that he could go 0-16 for three years and still be the greatest coach of all time in their eyes "as long as he picks up the phone and returns their calls."
The comment -- like all of Limbaugh's characterizations of "the liberal media" as a single, unthinking entity -- was so ridiculous on its face that Young didn't have to smash home a return winner, but he did: "It's not going to tarnish everything he did, but it matters if you lose."
[Continued...]