hR Official Gameday Thread: Redskins--@--Packers

[redwolf1218]

Mcarddel was wide open on the slant.

yep. jumping up and down waving his arms. all alone in the middle of the field. disgusting.

[nicefellow31]

Why? Why? Why?

Why didn't we challenge the spot of Cooley's reception?

Why did we throw it to Betts, who has yet to make a big play this season?

Why the do nothing pass?

[Lavar703]

WHY!? Why run the same play that didn't work last time? WHY?

because its the players fault, dont you know

[rsmithx]

This game is making me angry... we should be up 17 right now... and a team with no running game is running on our D without much problem in the 4th quarter... blech.

[X-Factor13]

man, we really blew this one.

[jtovb2005]

Where are those folks who think we should ever have confidence in this team?

Well me.

[redwolf1218]

With 6 minutes to go? Come on.

this game was over a long time ago. this is just one of those games, like the Giants game.

[skinsfan45]

nothing wrong with the defense. they played well enough for us to have won

now they are fading
they r reason we r still in this

[NCskinsfanatic]

Guys we cant run with Pucillo at C and Fabini is hurt at RG but playing. IMO thats why you're seeing more passing on short yardage.

[rsmithx]

Sean Taylor still wants to win!

[Jon Jansen is money]

holy cow ST, hang onto the ball

[nicefellow31]

Than you Sean Taylor, but please go down the next time.

[Lavar703]

Sean needs to stop trying to pitch the ball

[funnyperson1]

ST, thanks for the pick, but don't try the lateral with the wet ball please.

[JasonCampbell]

Does this team even practice during the week?

[skinsfan45]

heart attack time

[VegasSkinsFan]

Nice INt....not sure about the lateral though. Botched snap On the INT,, LL layed out the receiver.

[redwolf1218]

oh my gosh this is insane.

[X-Factor13]

interception!!!!! omg! how?! Our offense needs to write a very sincere letter of apology to our defense after this game

[rsmithx]

wow... 3 plays, and we are moving in the WRONG direction. Pathetic.

[shally]

portis drops another 3rd and 15...

7 straight offensive flameouts

[jtovb2005]

Man that play calling made me drop the snap, slip on a simple screen.

[funnyperson1]

So apparently we have no idea how to manage a little rain.

[Redskin-4-life]

What is wrong with this team, they are choking big time

[skinsfan45]

where was the offsides call?

[RedskinsDave]

Find ways to lose boys!

[Biggie]

This is the ugliest game. Ever.

[redwolf1218]

total collapse. embarrassing. shameful. it's time to rebuild again. this is completely insane.

[nicefellow31]

Our offense is killing us. Acting like they have never played on a wet field before. Almost like we are a dome team or something. Slipping, falling, drops, fumbles. Pathetic.

[shally]

another offensive flameout

a couple of first downs and it is over

[X-Factor13]

wow, i want to puke. that was the most pathetic thing i've ever seen

[funnyperson1]

Why are teh GB running backs so good at holding onto the ball.

[NCskinsfanatic]

portis drops another 3rd and 15...

7 straight offensive flameouts

Yep and Campbell fumbling the snap, the OL depleted and guys dropping the ball are not Als fault IMO, he's made questionable calls yes, but not nearly as many times as the players have failed to execute.

[redwolf1218]

This is the ugliest game. Ever.

i agree, i cant remember anything uglier. even the giants game. even Aikman is wondering why we just wasted 30 seconds.

[rsmithx]

it's going to take a pick-6 for us to win this game... and whats with not calling a timeout before the 2 min warning... blech.

[Lavar703]

THis coaching staff is horrible when its comes to clock management, absolutely horrendous

[shally]

clock management and time out management is not even at the high school level.. down to 2 minutes.. 1 first down and it is over..

green bay can even run the plays and run it down

[Brit'Skin]

Pathetic

[suppitty]

Joe is clueless not calling timeout when he had 30 seconds to. Just burned 6 seconds after saving the timeout for after the 2minute warning.

[RedskinsDave]

Not only should we not be losing, we should be up by 17.

[redwolf1218]

clock management and time out management is not even at the high school level.. down to 2 minutes.. 1 first down and it is over..

green bay can even run the plays and run it down

i was just wondering, is this friday night or sunday afternoon?

[skinsfan45]

THis coaching staff is horrible when its comes to clock management, absolutely horrendous
amen, that will bite us

[JasonCampbell]

Why are teh GB running backs so good at holding onto the ball.

Maybe because they don't have egos the size of Texas and practice.

[NCskinsfanatic]

it's going to take a pick-6 for us to win this game... and whats with not calling a timeout before the 2 min warning... blech.

we only have one left, might need it for a tying FG...

[Biggie]

This loss is all Moss. There is no question of that.

[suppitty]

Well, we burn 9 seconds for no reason. All Joe has to do on gamedays in manage the clock and he can't do it.

[Redskinfan28]

Noone chokes like the Redskins. Its a shame, the defense did not deserve to lose this game.

Santana Moss should give his paycheck back.

[skinsfan45]

we need some sure hands and smart sideline catches

[shally]

getting the ball back with 1; 13

no times out.. just need a fg

[nicefellow31]

This loss is all Moss. There is no question of that.

Not all Moss, but he lead the way.

[Brit'Skin]

73 seconds to get it done.

[shally]

looks like a fire drill

pressure coming

[NCskinsfanatic]

This loss is all Moss. There is no question of that.

He had help but he made sure we werent going to score a couple of times, Betts drops, ARE's drops, Portis fumble all contributed to Al losing this game for us...just incase you hadnt heard.

[American Soldier]

This is par for the course. You have your playmaker (Cooley) in the first half disappear in the second. They just stop going to him. We should be blowing this team out. I don't understand the curse we're under, but this is so common with us. I hope Moss hasn't lost confidence. Brandon Lloyd is in the game at the end of the game. This offensive line (while hurt) is hurting us.

[Redskinfan28]

Just throw it deep.

Edit - just take a knee so Campbell doesn't get killed.

[shally]

sack...

heyer hurt


3rd down.. alexander ?

gotta heave it

[frankez99]

What a freakin' joke.

[RedskinsDave]

Teams should be fined for having such bad field conditions.

[nicefellow31]

Oh no. Heyer is hurt. No OL left. BTW, we didn't handle the elements very well this game. Don't understand why.

[redwolf1218]

shameful. i'm done for this year, i'm not gonna waste my time watching this kind of crap anymore. this is a bunch of bums, players and coaches.

[Lavar703]

GAME OVER

[redwolf1218]

Campbell should just kneal down and let the embarrassment end.

[frankez99]

absolute disaster.

[American Soldier]

Now Jason Hyer is down. He did the splits and then some lineman falls on his back leg. Not good from the looks of it. He's walking off the field, but very gingerly.

Still this is a total let down.

3rd and 17 and we get a illegal procedure. 10 seconds run off.

[rsmithx]

yeah, 5 yard penalties and 10 second runoffs, thats the way to move the ball down the field.

[golongdude]

Another lame Redskins team, this one mainly in the head. Just so bad as a team, I don't know where to start.

[redwolf1218]

oh he was looking for James Thrash. good luck on that one.

[shally]

beyond pathetic..

false start


pile it on

another 10 seconds lost

incomplete on third

one last chance

[X-Factor13]

This is INSANELY bad. like, nightmarish. I honestly didn't believe that things could go that wrong

[Jon Jansen is money]

terrible. this was a pathetic effort.

[shally]

ball game over

cannot remember A worse loss

[funnyperson1]

that was the ugliest game i have ever seen, we tried everything we possibly could to lose.

[Biggie]

What a pathetic game, on both sides.

[BSMKF]

sad sad game

[Redskin-4-life]

Total embarassment, everybody deserves an F for this game. Our stars let us down, and especially coaching.

[BurgundyAndGold]

Sorry this is my first post in quite a while, and it comes with negative (over)tones.

This is hard visual evidence of a team imploding. For all the good that Jason, Cooley, and the defense did in the first half, it's like a wholly different team in the second. And this certainly isn't this first time this has happened.

This coaching staff seriously needs a semester's worth of remedial coaching and clock management. If the players don't have confidence in the coaches, they're not gonna have confidence on the field. And it is showing.

This performance is ludicrous and they should all be ashamed of the product they're delivering to us, the fans. I just don't understand what these guys do at halftime. Are they in there pouring champagne over each other and patting each other on the back? Personally I think the coaches take a 20 minute power nap for all the adjustments they make for the second halves of games.

I feel bad for Jason because he's gonna end up just like our other failed experiements at QB. He's got too much promise and too much potential to waste in an organization so poorly run as this.

:(

[RedskinsDave]

Two losses to teams we are better than. When anyone tries to give me crap about having no confidence in this team I will point to these two games. This is what separates us from actually good teams.

[X-Factor13]

i hope we don't have these games every other week, like we have been

[nicefellow31]

Oh well we messed this one up big time. Looks like it is going to be an up and down season. Must win next week against the Cards.

[RedskinsDave]

What a pathetic game, on both sides.

The D gave up 10 points. This is on Santana.

[NCskinsfanatic]

OL injuries and players not executing on O are the ONLY reasons we lost today.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Two losses to teams we are better than. When anyone tries to give me crap about having no confidence in this team I will point to these two games. This is what separates us from actually good teams.

This team is just maddening. We don't have one single player or coach who we can depend on to be at least pretty good week in and week out. It's like before the game, they pick names out of a hat, and whoever comes up, they suck that game.

[Lavar703]

Another wasted effort by our great defense. Al Saunders is a joke in the second half, and yes the players were absolutely responsible. I just dont understand this team, this game was identical to the Giants game, Saunders decides to get cute in the second half and costs us the game. I think the gameball should go to Santana Moss, but he would probably end up dropping it anyway

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Not only should we not be losing, we should be up by 17.
thats what kills me.....we completely gave the game away. disgusting.

[redwolf1218]

Oh well we messed this one up big time. Looks like it is going to be an up and down season. Must win next week against the Cards.

we will probably win it, because i am not going to waste my time watching it. i feel sorry for the fans that spent good money actually traveling to the game.

[shally]

Oh well we messed this one up big time. Looks like it is going to be an up and down season. Must win next week against the Cards.

they are wretched on offense

the defense just held the number 1 offense to 10 points ! how do they get blamed ?

[X-Factor13]

Sorry this is my first post in quite a while, and it comes with negative (over)tones.

This is hard visual evidence of a team imploding. For all the good that Jason, Cooley, and the defense did in the first half, it's like a wholly different team in the second. And this certainly isn't this first time this has happened.

This coaching staff seriously needs a semester's worth of remedial coaching and clock management. If the players don't have confidence in the coaches, they're not gonna have confidence on the field. And it is showing.

This performance is ludicrous and they should all be ashamed of the product they're delivering to us, the fans. I just don't understand what these guys do at halftime. Are they in there pouring champagne over each other and patting each other on the back? Personally I think the coaches take a 20 minute power nap for all the adjustments they make for the second halves of games.

I feel bad for Jason because he's gonna end up just like our other failed experiements at QB. He's got too much promise and too much potential to waste in an organization so poorly run as this.

:(


And that is the bottom line. Until we find the right people at the top, we can't have any kind of lasting success at the bottom

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The D gave up 10 points. This is on Santana.
And Portis, and clock management (I don't have the strength to comment on that anymore), and a whole lot of other guys on offense. But you're right, Moss was horrible today.

[jtovb2005]

Two losses to teams we are better than. When anyone tries to give me crap about having no confidence in this team I will point to these two games. This is what separates us from actually good teams.

I didn't hear you say that last week?

[skinsfan45]

OL injuries and players not executing on O are the ONLY reasons we lost today.
preach on brother

[redwolf1218]

this is why we are the laughing stock of the league. and well deserved.

[shally]

portis looks like his lack of conditioning is catching up to him

betts is a joke

bring up mason..

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I didn't hear you say that last week?

You fail to understand his point. A good team is supposed to be consistent week in and week out. What we saw in the second half today (and in the Giants game) was absolutely pitiful on the offensive side.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

portis looks like his lack of conditioning is catching up to him

betts is a joke

bring up mason..
The way they are playing now, they actually are interchangeable.

The incredible thing is that right now Jason Campbell, who has started about 10 games in his life, is the most dependable player we have on offense.

[redwolf1218]

what a joke. literally, this game would make a really good joke, like here's a joke, a Redskins team walks onto the field...that's it, that's the end of the joke. like saying, an Irishman walks out of a bar...

[dcumdfan]

What a pathetic second half effort.

3rd and 1, a sweep that losses 2 yards.
4 and 2, after 2 timeouts Betts runs a 1 yd route to turnover on downs.

Moss cant catch anything this year and Portis has let the ball loose 3 straight games.

Defense shuts down the #1 passing attack again, yet the offense finds a way to lose. Same story its been since Gibbs return. Add another second half choke job to his second tenure.

It is so painful to be a Redskin fan.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Bram just said 6 offensive drops, 3 dropped INT's and major offensive injuries to the OL were to blame, I agree. I have yet to hear anyone on the radio say this was Al's fault, couldnt run b/c of OL injuries , were forced to pass, players didnt execute period

[jtovb2005]

Another wasted effort by our great defense. Al Saunders is a joke in the second half, and yes the players were absolutely responsible. I just dont understand this team, this game was identical to the Giants game, Saunders decides to get cute in the second half and costs us the game. I think the gameball should go to Santana Moss, but he would probably end up dropping it anyway


I disagree this was identical to the Giants game. That game I would agree with you completly. We came out and did nothing with the ball, just kind of ran into the line and got nothing punted, repeat. Coaches very much.

This game the players put the ball on the field and dropped passes. I am not one to disect the play calling, i am not smart enough. I just think I saw the players give this game away in the 3rd quarter.

[shally]

You fail to understand his point. A good team is supposed to be consistent week in and week out. What we saw in the second half today (and in the Giants game) was absolutely pitiful on the offensive side.

inexcusable game calls in the second half.. the coaches are terrible as well

but our leaders portis and moss have let down the team

[wewantdallas]

This was a disgrace of a game, pretty much for both teams, but for one (ours of course), even moreso.

And I'd say at this point it's official. Three fumbles in three weeks for Portis. He's got a problem. And Moss???? Mindblowing.

So much blame to go around, but at the end of the day, the players take the most of the blame. There were some bad calls, but there were some great ones that could have and SHOULD HAVE won this game for us easily.

The overthrow to a wide open Lloyd, the drop on the bomb by Moss, the fumble by Moss, the drop by Moss early that would've been a first down, the drop by Sellers late that would've been a first down, the multiple drops by Sean Taylor who could've EASILY had a FIVE PICK DAY. Yes, EASILY.

I watched the game today with a rabid Packers fan, and even he wasn't that excited, because he knew how badly his team would've lost if they'd been playing a focused, well-coached, disciplined team today.

Just three words, really: PA-THE-TIC.

[redwolf1218]

portis looks like his lack of conditioning is catching up to him

betts is a joke

bring up mason..

or give the ball to Sellers. what would he do with 30 carries? we will never know.

[Lavar703]

How can you not hold Al responsible as well, The reverse call was awful, it never works and its the only trick play we use, everyone knows its coming. 3rd and 2, instead of giving it to Mike Sellers, we throw it in bad weather conditions. Another 3rd and 1, we throw it short of the first down, honestly, what is the point of having Mike Sellers on this team, just let him go somewhere else so his talents can be used appropriately

[shally]

I disagree this was identical to the Giants game. That game I would agree with you completly. We came out and did nothing with the ball, just kind of ran into the line and got nothing punted, repeat. Coaches very much.

This game the players put the ball on the field and dropped passes. I am not one to disect the play calling, i am not smart enough. I just think I saw the players give this game away in the 3rd quarter.

the defense could not stop the giants in the second half.. the defense played well enough for a win today

[shally]

How can you not hold Al responsible as well, The reverse call was awful, it never works and its the only trick play we use, everyone knows its coming. 3rd and 2, instead of giving it to Mike Sellers, we throw it in bad weather conditions. Another 3rd and 1, we throw it short of the first down, honestly, what is the point of having Mike Sellers on this team, just let him go somewhere else so his talents can be used appropriately

right. we talk about having the character of the team being "run first" but we are anything but that.. we get cute instead of using power

[FunBunch5]

Why does this coaching staff have so much confidence in Betts on crucial plays. One would have thought they would of learned their lesson from the Giants game.

[NCskinsfanatic]

This was a disgrace of a game, pretty much for both teams, but for one (ours of course), even moreso.

And I'd say at this point it's official. Three fumbles in three weeks for Portis. He's got a problem. And Moss???? Mindblowing.

So much blame to go around, but at the end of the day, the players take the most of the blame. There were some bad calls, but there were some great ones that could have and SHOULD HAVE won this game for us easily.

The overthrow to a wide open Lloyd, the drop on the bomb by Moss, the fumble by Moss, the drop by Moss early that would've been a first down, the drop by Sellers late that would've been a first down, the multiple drops by Sean Taylor who could've EASILY had a FIVE PICK DAY. Yes, EASILY.

I watched the game today with a rabid Packers fan, and even he wasn't that excited, because he knew how badly his team would've lost if they'd been playing a focused, well-coached, disciplined team today.

Just three words, really: PA-THE-TIC.

Exactly the reason this is on the players not Al it's 80/20 at best...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Personally, my "favorite sequence" was the 2 consecutive TOs, and then a throw short of the marker on 4th down.
But not calling a TO with about 2:40 left on the clock was a real winner as well.

[jtovb2005]

You fail to understand his point. A good team is supposed to be consistent week in and week out. What we saw in the second half today (and in the Giants game) was absolutely pitiful on the offensive side.

No I understand his point and am very bummed out. I think his point is consistency I guess. I think I am making my comment on the team as a whole played very well last week and actually executed. Dave is correct you need to win games in a row to breed confidence.

I guess what I am saying is this is the 5th game of the year. A few teams go through this stuff. We have lots of football to go and things change. I have been watching since 1966 and have seen many turn arounds both good and bad.

[wewantdallas]

portis looks like his lack of conditioning is catching up to him

betts is a joke

bring up mason..

I'd say Portis is the joke at this point. Three fumbles in three weeks?

Next joke? Moss. Completely letting us down this entire year.

Jason and Cooley are the only guys that seemed to earn a paycheck today.

Betts was a non-factor, but he is hardly the joke at this point.

[JakeIron]

Just a few thoughts:

1. Our team finds ways to lose games, hate to see losses like this
2. Jason will be a very good QB for us.
3. D is back! very nice!
4. Moss lost this game by himself, has been horrible all season long.
5. We need to score more with the amount of yards we get.
6. I feel sick...

[shally]

or give the ball to Sellers. what would he do with 30 carries? we will never know.

he could not do any worse that portis or betts

[American Soldier]

Incomplete pass. 4th and 17.

Just go home. Don't give a BS interview. Just go home.

This is how much this team was in the game. Jason Campbell throws a short pass to Ladell on 4th and 17 at the end of the game. Jason runs up to the line of scrimmage to spike the ball. He didn't even know what down it was. Would you throw the ball over the first down marker? Ladell is not going to get you 17 yards on his own!!

No way in hades we should have lost this game. In the second half, we have third and short and we forget about Mike Sellers. What in the world is wrong with this coaching staff? This is what keeps you at the bottom of the league, year in and year out. We've done this almost every year after an impressive win. We've come out and stunk up the stadium. I said this last year...stop the interviews, the night shows and recognize that you play the game of football for a living. The Patriots have a saying in there locker room...Humble Pie. We're just not humble.

Moss had better get his head out of his butt!!!! He has become a non-threat. He had 3 or 4 drops and a fumble. Our Miami U. playmakers stunk.

[golongdude]

We've run a QB Approval poll for the last few years each week of the season. But what can we really say about Jason right now but usually positive things, if not 'well, it's a learning experiece..'.

So come middle of the week, I think we need to start up a Redskins Coaching Staff Approval poll. Not now since people are freaked, and always are after a loss.

But the truth is, it is a much more relevant poll for this year than a QB Approval poll.

[Lavar703]

We will blame Sean Taylor before Al Saunders now, Taylor had 2 picks and were complaining that he didnt have five, what a joke

[redwolf1218]

Why does this coaching staff have so much confidence in Betts on crucial plays. One would have thought they would of learned their lesson from the Giants game.

what's Betts getting now, 2 yards per carry? Sellers gets better than that.

[NCskinsfanatic]

right. we talk about having the character of the team being "run first" but we are anything but that.. we get cute instead of using power

You cant use power when you have an undersized backup C that couldnt start in cleveland a few years back, Fabini was doubled over at one point but stayed in, That takes away anyhting up the middle in my opinion shally, we all preach about it starts upfront and now despite not having an adequate OL it's AL's fault?

[shally]

I'd say Portis is the joke at this point. Three fumbles in three weeks?

Next joke? Moss. Completely letting us down this entire year.

Jason and Cooley are the only guys that seemed to earn a paycheck today.

Betts was a non-factor, but he is hardly the joke at this point.

yes, you are right.. but i have never been a fan of betts, so this is just piling on.. but when they throw the ball to you on 4th down your route has to get you past the first down mark. running laterally is just inexcusable

[redwolf1218]

he could not do any worse that portis or betts

he's the closest thing i've seen to Riggins. i would love to see him get 30 carries. i love 4 yards and a cloud of dust.

[saviour]

inexcusable game calls in the second half.. the coaches are terrible as well

but our leaders portis and moss have let down the team

True indeed. Portis is becoming a pure fumbler and its scary. And since Moss hasnt caught anything this year I say he is now a consistent liability. We have to rely on Randle El more than we should because he has been catching the ball. Elevate McCardell because he is a great possesion reciever something we sorely need outside of Cooley.

Time management problems after 4 seasons in the NFL has me convinced that Coach is over his head.

[Lavar703]

You cant use power when you have an undersized backup C that couldnt start in cleveland a few years back, Fabini was doubled over at one point but stayed in, That takes away anyhting up the middle in my opinion shally, we all preach about it starts upfront and now despite not having an adequate OL it's AL's fault?

But you can when you have a 280 pound RB who only needs to get 1-3 yards to get a first down

[shally]

You cant use power when you have an undersized backup C that couldnt start in cleveland a few years back, Fabini was doubled over at one point but stayed in, That takes away anyhting up the middle in my opinion shally, we all preach about it starts upfront and now despite not having an adequate OL it's AL's fault?

injuries happen.. but your game plan cannot go in the toilet if that happens

[shally]

he's the closest thing i've seen to Riggins. i would love to see him get 30 carries. i love 4 yards and a cloud of dust.

riggins actually had speed.. sellers doesnt, but that doesnt mean they should be running him on short yardage

[Lavar703]

True indeed. Portis is becoming a pure fumbler and its scary. And since Moss hasnt caught anything this year I say he is now a consistent liability. We have to rely on Randle El more than we should because he has been catching the ball. Elevate McCardell because he is a great possesion reciever something we sorely need outside of Cooley.

Time management problems after 4 seasons in the NFL has me convinced that Coach is over his head.

I dont like the way Portis carries the ball, and I dont know if he will be here next year due to his injuries and fumbling problems. Betts cant run the ball, and Moss was horrible today.

[wewantdallas]

We will blame Sean Taylor before Al Saunders now, Taylor had 2 picks and were complaining that he didnt have five, what a joke

Are you kidding? Why is it a joke to complain about him DROPPING THREE PICKS THAT WERE RIGHT IN HIS HANDS??? That first one could've easily been a touchdown.

ALL of those picks (or opportunities for them) were also much more on Favre's part than anything Taylor did. Favre was HORRIBLE today and blew many chances of his own to put the game away to wide open guys streaking down the field.

But yeah, when you have five balls come RIGHT INTO YOUR HANDS and you only catch two of them, I'm not going to get so excited about those two that he DID catch.

Especially when the inept offense couldn't turn any of those into points.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

No I understand his point and am very bummed out. I think his point is consistency I guess. I think I am making my comment on the team as a whole played very well last week and actually executed. Dave is correct you need to win games in a row to breed confidence.

I guess what I am saying is this is the 5th game of the year. A few teams go through this stuff. We have lots of football to go and things change. I have been watching since 1966 and have seen many turn arounds both good and bad.
And two weeks ago is was just 3 games, and in two weeks (unless we pull off a miracle against the Pats) it'll be just 7 games, etc. etc. etc....get my point?

[FunBunch5]

what's Betts getting now, 2 yards per carry? Sellers gets better than that.

Exactly, everytime I have seen Sellars need a couple of yards he get's it. Moss single handedly cost the Skins 3 drives and a defensive touchdown. Even if the drives amounted to field goals Moss was responsible for giving away 16 points.

[wewantdallas]

riggins actually had speed.. sellers doesnt, but that doesnt mean they should be running him on short yardage

Sellers isn't even close to the quality of back that Riggins was. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. He's a big guy who can usually get short yards when needed and he's a good blocker. He can definitely do some damage and can be a formidable weapon AT TIMES. But he's no elite player, not even close.

[shally]

Are you kidding? Why is it a joke to complain about him DROPPING THREE PICKS THAT WERE RIGHT IN HIS HANDS??? That first one could've easily been a touchdown.

ALL of those picks (or opportunities for them) were also much more on Favre's part than anything Taylor did. Favre was HORRIBLE today and blew many chances of his own to put the game away to wide open guys streaking down the field.

But yeah, when you have five balls come RIGHT INTO YOUR HANDS and you only catch two of them, I'm not going to get so excited about those two that he DID catch.

Especially when the inept offense couldn't turn any of those into points.

you are right to complain about taylor.. but this loss goes to the offense.
when you hold the packer offense to 10 points you have done your job

[saviour]

injuries happen.. but your game plan cannot go in the toilet if that happens

I actually like the gameplan today even when it was adjusted. You cant have the amount of drop balls and fumbles we had if you want to win on the road. Campbell has shown me enough to have faith in him but Portis is fumbling the ball in the 2nd half too much in close games to count on him and Moss cant catch a cold. Im glad they benced him after his performance. Portis fumbles seemed to have gotten to him as he reverted back to his "body" catching style on the screen late in the 4th which eliminated any run after catch yardage.

[skinsfan45]

i hope our defense calls out our offense and holds them accountable -- no way did they give 100% -- they did not play well, they did not fight hard - they looked pathetic - i am seriously ticked at the offense, even with injuries we stunk it up -- defense gets an A- -- they too often have way to much of the game put on them, now surely those picks that Brett offered up could have made a HUGE difference, but defense should not HAVE to score for us to win-- taking a cool down now -- GO NEW ENGLAND

[Lavar703]

Are you kidding? Why is it a joke to complain about him DROPPING THREE PICKS THAT WERE RIGHT IN HIS HANDS??? That first one could've easily been a touchdown.

ALL of those picks (or opportunities for them) were also much more on Favre's part than anything Taylor did. Favre was HORRIBLE today and blew many chances of his own to put the game away to wide open guys streaking down the field.

But yeah, when you have five balls come RIGHT INTO YOUR HANDS and you only catch two of them, I'm not going to get so excited about those two that he DID catch.

Especially when the inept offense couldn't turn any of those into points.

Hes a DB, and he still accounted for two turnovers, the offense did nothing to help Taylor out, did they. Are you kidding me, seriously, you understand your blaming a guy who had 2 interceptions for a loss, because he didnt have 5, some peoples undieing faith in this coaching staff, Joe Gibbs aside, is mind blowing

[NCskinsfanatic]

We will blame Sean Taylor before Al Saunders now, Taylor had 2 picks and were complaining that he didnt have five, what a joke

No ones blaming ST, it's far more on the O but he did drop 3 sure pics, that factors into the oputcome of a game... no? Again an injured OL took away the power running game, you cant run without a good OL and from the C right we didnt have that for much of the second half. Portis fumbled on the sweep, if he holds the ball it's not a problem. 6 drops, man wwd already covered it, you obviously only want to hold Al responsible for 6 drops on O, 3 dropped INT's by Sean, an INt that Moss shoulda caught, fumbles and an ineffective/injured OL.

[shally]

Sellers isn't even close to the quality of back that Riggins was. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. He's a big guy who can usually get short yards when needed and he's a good blocker. He can definitely do some damage and can be a formidable weapon AT TIMES. But he's no elite player, not even close.

not saying he is.. but he is the best option we have for short yardage running.

no sense to run portis or betts wide in a slowly developing play

[Lavar703]

No ones blaming ST, it's far more on the O but he did drop 3 sure pics, that factors into the oputcome of a game... no? Again an injured OL took away the power running game, you cant run without a good OL and from the C right we didnt have that for much of the second half. Portis fumbled on the sweep, if he holds the ball it's not a problem. 6 drops, man wwd already covered it, you obviously only want to hold Al responsible for 6 drops on O, 3 dropped INT's by Sean, an INt that Moss shoulda caught, fumbles and an ineffective/injured OL.

No, it really doesnt. He still was responsible for giving our offense two oppurtunities to score, had we won, this wouldnt even be a discussion.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Hes a DB, and he still accounted for two turnovers, the offense did nothing to help Taylor out, did they. Are you kidding me, seriously, you understand your blaming a guy who had 2 interceptions for a loss, because he didnt have 5, some peoples undieing faith in this coaching staff, Joe Gibbs aside, is mind blowing

And your blaming a guy in a booth for 6 drops, on O, 3 on D, an injured OL that couldnt pass protect much less generate a rush after losing Rabach and Fabini getting banged up, A premier Rb that has fumbled 3 weeks in a row.

[saviour]

Hes a DB, and he still accounted for two turnovers, the offense did nothing to help Taylor out, did they. Are you kidding me, seriously, you understand your blaming a guy who had 2 interceptions for a loss, because he didnt have 5, some peoples undieing faith in this coaching staff, Joe Gibbs aside, is mind blowing

The reason most DB's are on defense is because they cant catch the ball. its not like the drops lead to points. Santanas fumble lead to the game winning touchdown.

[NCskinsfanatic]

No, it really doesnt. He still was responsible for giving our offense two oppurtunities to score, had we won, this wouldnt even be a discussion.

LOL, whatever Lavar, every drop, on O or D factors into a game, execution factors into how well a gameplan appears and an injured OL does factor into it as well.

[OCSKINSFAN]

Ok, Moss was the primary reason for the loss today. That said, why was he on the bench in ther 4th quarter and Thrash in. Thrash is no more than a special teamer, and no threat, yet he's the #3 receiver. Maybe they considered him the #1 WR when Moss kept dropping the ball. You simply can't put your #1 WR on the bench, particularly when you need a score to tie or win because he was having a bad day (no doubt for punishment). That's like pinch hitting a ptitcher for your best hitter if he has struck out the first 3 times at the plate. Old school coaching. It's crazy and doesn't work.

[JasonCampbell]

This team is just too much like 2004. We have a great, playoff caliber defense, and the offense is just plain inept.

I can't understand why you people are blaming Al Saunders for not running the football on 4th and 2 and other short, usually running downs. For this game, we had a backup center, backup guard, and a third string rookie FA at right tackle on the OL, against a team that is strong against the run. Portis had a whopping 20 carries for 62 yards. We were getting no push by the OL, especially in the second half. IMO, you gotta get cute running the ball (tosses, reverses, etc.) or just pass the ball. Also, remember on the 4th and 2 play, there were other WRs out there running routes, not just the RB that caught the ball. IMO, that is a bad read by JC, not a bad call by Saunders.

I've been critical of Saunders as anyone. The Giants game was hit fault. Today lies with the plalyers, and the players alone (namely Moss).

This is just so frustrating, because we should be 5-0. I'd rather get pounded 35-14 than lose two games that we had no reason to lose.

Also, Gibbs keeps talking about how we don't put Sellers in on goal line or short yardage play since we don't have another good lead blocker on the team. Then sign one, because Portis and Betts aren't getting the job done (which may not be completely their fault due to injuries on the OL...but Sellers can level that some). I have no confidence that this team can run the ball in for a TD inside the 5 yard line.

[nicefellow31]

Why does this coaching staff have so much confidence in Betts on crucial plays. One would have thought they would of learned their lesson from the Giants game.

Agreed. I like Betts, but he is a backup running back, Portis fumbles and all.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Hes a DB, and he still accounted for two turnovers, the offense did nothing to help Taylor out, did they. Are you kidding me, seriously, you understand your blaming a guy who had 2 interceptions for a loss, because he didnt have 5, some peoples undieing faith in this coaching staff, Joe Gibbs aside, is mind blowing
You were satisfied with Gibbs's performance today?

[nicefellow31]

No ones blaming ST, it's far more on the O but he did drop 3 sure pics, that factors into the oputcome of a game... no? Again an injured OL took away the power running game, you cant run without a good OL and from the C right we didnt have that for much of the second half. Portis fumbled on the sweep, if he holds the ball it's not a problem. 6 drops, man wwd already covered it, you obviously only want to hold Al responsible for 6 drops on O, 3 dropped INT's by Sean, an INt that Moss shoulda caught, fumbles and an ineffective/injured OL.

On one of those "dropped pics" he was fully extended like he was Hines Ward. It would have been an incredible reception if he hung on.

[shally]

This team is just too much like 2004. We have a great, playoff caliber defense, and the offense is just plain inept.

I can't understand why you people are blaming Al Saunders for not running the football on 4th and 2 and other short, usually running downs. For this game, we had a backup center, backup guard, and a third string rookie FA at right tackle on the OL, against a team that is strong against the run. Portis had a whopping 20 carries for 62 yards. We were getting no push by the OL, especially in the second half. IMO, you gotta get cute running the ball (tosses, reverses, etc.) or just pass the ball. Also, remember on the 4th and 2 play, there were other WRs out there running routes, not just the RB that caught the ball. IMO, that is a bad read by JC, not a bad call by Saunders.

I've been critical of Saunders as anyone. The Giants game was hit fault. Today lies with the plalyers, and the players alone (namely Moss).

This is just so frustrating, because we should be 5-0. I'd rather get pounded 35-14 than lose two games that we had no reason to lose.

Also, Gibbs keeps talking about how we don't put Sellers in on goal line or short yardage play since we don't have another good lead blocker on the team. Then sign one, because Portis and Betts aren't getting the job done (which may not be completely their fault due to injuries on the OL...but Sellers can level that some). I have no confidence that this team can run the ball in for a TD inside the 5 yard line.

how about a scren pass or two ? or a flare route ? get portis or betts in space.
of course, then you can count on them dropping the ball or running the wrong route...
but the calls were poor

[JasonCampbell]

Ok, Moss was the primary reason for the loss today. That said, why was he on the bench in ther 4th quarter and Thrash in. Thrash is no more than a special teamer, and no threat, yet he's the #3 receiver. Maybe they considered him the #1 WR when Moss kept dropping the ball. You simply can't put your #1 WR on the bench, particularly when you need a score to tie or win because he was having a bad day (no doubt for punishment). That's like pinch hitting a ptitcher for your best hitter if he has struck out the first 3 times at the plate. Old school coaching. It's crazy and doesn't work.

I'm sorry, but Moss had 0 receptions, 4 drops (one was picked off) and fumbled on a reverse for a touchdown. He didn't deserve to be on the field. Also, in the back of your mind, remember he's coming off an injury and may still not be 100% playing on a field that obviously was in shoddy shape.

[shally]

You were satisfied with Gibbs's performance today?


that bust in canton is getting a lot of rust on it...

[Lavar703]

LOL, whatever Lavar, every drop, on O or D factors into a game, execution factors into how well a gameplan appears and an injured OL does factor into it as well.

Whatever dude, think what you want. Not holding Al Saunders accountable is the reason this team will continue to be underachievers. I dont remember when it came out anymore, but there was a story how the defensive coordinators of the teams that Al Saunders was OC of hated him. They always said he got cute with play calls and consistently lead to losses. There is a reason hes not the head coach in KC, or any team for that matter.

[JasonCampbell]

how about a scren pass or two ? or a flare route ? get portis or betts in space.
of course, then you can count on them dropping the ball or running the wrong route...
but the calls were poor

Okay, but we are still agreeing on the fact that we can't just line up in an I-form and power our way to a first down, right?

The fact is, if we executed at all on the plays he called prior, we wouldn't even be talking about this because we would have been up at least 10 points and won the game. Saunders have a good game plan, and the players didn't execute. It is simple as that.

[wewantdallas]

Hes a DB, and he still accounted for two turnovers, the offense did nothing to help Taylor out, did they. Are you kidding me, seriously, you understand your blaming a guy who had 2 interceptions for a loss, because he didnt have 5, some peoples undieing faith in this coaching staff, Joe Gibbs aside, is mind blowing

Show me where I BLAMED TAYLOR FOR THIS LOSS!!??

I put him in a category of MANY LOST OPPORTUNITIES, INCLUDING THE COACHES! They all sucked today at times, but the players blew more chances than the coaches blew.

As for "undying faith in this coaching staff," you've got the wrong guy here. I've got a lot of problems with the way this team is coached. But the fact is, there were plays to be made that the coaches called, and they were not executed by the players on the field.

[Lavar703]

You were satisfied with Gibbs's performance today?

Not really, but have approved of him on the season, as a whole

[Lavar703]

Show me where I BLAMED TAYLOR FOR THIS LOSS!!??

I put him in a category of MANY LOST OPPORTUNITIES, INCLUDING THE COACHES! They all sucked today at times, but the players blew more chances than the coaches blew.

As for "undying faith in this coaching staff," you've got the wrong guy here. I've got a lot of problems with the way this team is coached. But the fact is, there were plays to be made that the coaches called, and they were not executed by the players on the field.

sorry man, im just getting frustrated, didnt mean to put words in your mouth

[shally]

Not really, but have approved of him on the season, as a whole

other than last week, the team has seemed confused much of the time and playing without a lot of passion much of the time

that goes back to gibbs.. teams assume the personality of their coach. in this case we are bumblers.. we waste time outs, make critical errors, drop passes and ints

last week we put the ball on the ground 5 times and lost it only once.. you cannot count on that kind of luck week after week

[wewantdallas]

sorry man, im just getting frustrated, didnt mean to put words in your mouth

You and me both, man. It just sucks all around.

And despite the missed picks I mention, the defense DID play their butts off today overall.

Same old same old, over and over and over again.

[skinsfan45]

Sellers isn't even close to the quality of back that Riggins was. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. He's a big guy who can usually get short yards when needed and he's a good blocker. He can definitely do some damage and can be a formidable weapon AT TIMES. But he's no elite player, not even close.
i disagree, i was around for the Riggo era and loved to see him do his thing - he was a powerhouse runner -- but Mike is a very versatile player who is just now being used to contribute to this team in more than just one way - why we as a team r not using all the talent we have to suit their strengths is way beyond my comprehension

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Not really, but have approved of him on the season, as a whole

My problem with Gibbs is that since he is not responsible of the defense or of the offensive play calling, what's left is basically clock-management, which has been horrendous at best, and important decisions (kick/go for it, and stuff like that), which has been pretty much average I guess.


In other news, I'm watching the Pats, and we are gonna be in big trouble in two weeks. They are scary.

[redwolf1218]

Sellers isn't even close to the quality of back that Riggins was. He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath. He's a big guy who can usually get short yards when needed and he's a good blocker. He can definitely do some damage and can be a formidable weapon AT TIMES. But he's no elite player, not even close.

conjecture. we will never know.

[shally]

conjecture. we will never know.

no.
riggins was an elite back in college
he was an elite back with the jets
he was an elite back with us

as much as i like sellers he is not what riggins ever was

[skinsfan45]

Ok, Moss was the primary reason for the loss today. That said, why was he on the bench in ther 4th quarter and Thrash in. Thrash is no more than a special teamer, and no threat, yet he's the #3 receiver. Maybe they considered him the #1 WR when Moss kept dropping the ball. You simply can't put your #1 WR on the bench, particularly when you need a score to tie or win because he was having a bad day (no doubt for punishment). That's like pinch hitting a ptitcher for your best hitter if he has struck out the first 3 times at the plate. Old school coaching. It's crazy and doesn't work.
hold on now, Thrash should have been in sooner on offense - he will catch what u throw to him - he is a not a speed reciever but he will CATCH and produce

[redwolf1218]

no.
riggins was an elite back in college
he was an elite back with the jets
he was an elite back with us

as much as i like sellers he is not what riggins ever was

he played in the CFL at age 18. he had different circumstances. are you saying you dont want to see what he would do with 30 carries? that was what i said to begin with, when i compared him to Riggins.

[wewantdallas]

conjecture. we will never know.

Well, it's conjecture based on the opinions of a lot of coaches who've dealt with the guy over a pretty long term career, both in the NFL and in Canadian football.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Sellers. He's a man beast and he can have awesome moments and game-changing plays. He's a huge asset to the team. But he's not even close to a guy that can put a whole team on his back and carry them to a championship like John Riggins was.

When people start comparing the two guys as potential equals, I just think that's getting WAY out of control.

But you know what? All that said, I would have no problem in running him more, especially with the ineffectiveness of our current starting backs.

[JasonCampbell]

This recent Sellers love is getting out of hand. If you gave Sellers the ball 30 times, you'd get 90 yards at best. There is a reason why he went to Walla Walla, there is a reason why he played in the CFL, and there is a reason why he's played this long in the NFL and is just now starting to get some touches. Lets not make him out to be some super star, because he's not.

[redwolf1218]

Well, it's conjecture based on the opinions of a lot of coaches who've dealt with the guy over a pretty long term career, both in the NFL and in Canadian football.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Sellers. He's a man beast and he can have awesome moments and game-changing plays. He's a huge asset to the team. But he's not even close to a guy that can put a whole team on his back and carry them to a championship like John Riggins was.

When people start comparing the two guys as potential equals, I just think that's getting WAY out of control.

But you know what? All that said, I would have no problem in running him more, especially with the ineffectiveness of our current starting backs.

ok, i can take that, because that is exactly what i'm saying. he's not getting the chance he deserves, based on his effectiveness, and unfortunately, he's 32 now.

[redwolf1218]

This recent Sellers love is getting out of hand. If you gave Sellers the ball 30 times, you'd get 90 yards at best. There is a reason why he went to Walla Walla, there is a reason why he played in the CFL, and there is a reason why he's played this long in the NFL and is just now starting to get some touches. Lets not make him out to be some super star, because he's not.

lets not forget, Riggins might not have ever played football again, unless Gibbs had gone to his home and begged him to return. no one else did that.

[JasonCampbell]

lets not forget, Riggins might not have ever played football again, unless Gibbs had gone to his home and begged him to return. no one else did that.

I still don't know how that is relevant to Mike Sellers, but okay.

[shally]

lets not forget, Riggins might not have ever played football again, unless Gibbs had gone to his home and begged him to return. no one else did that.

he was broke and happy to come back

[redwolf1218]

I still don't know how that is relevant to Mike Sellers, but okay.

because someone said Sellers went to Walla Walla, and played in the CFL, and he was lucky to ever get another chance in the NFL. well, i was saying, Riggins was out of the league, when Gibbs went and begged him to return.

[redwolf1218]

he was broke and happy to come back

i wonder is Sellers was borke too.

i'm just saying, i like the power running game and Sellers has been effective, and i'd love to see what he would do with more carries, compared to Riggins wearing down the defense.

[shally]

i wonder is Sellers was borke too.

sellers was in trouble, no question. due to poor decisions the skins were the only team interested in giving him a shot at redemption

[redwolf1218]

sellers was in trouble, no question. due to poor decisions the skins were the only team interested in giving him a shot at redemption

now he's 32 and he's finally coming into his own. right now i would not trade him for any other fullback. he's playing at a probowl level. i would just like to see him get the same amount of chances that Betts gets.

[skinsfan45]

he was broke and happy to come back
don't forget, he was also bored!:lolbig:

[redwolf1218]

don't forget, he was also bored!:lolbig:

right, he said i'm bored, i'm broke and i'm back.

[skinsfan45]

now he's 32 and he's finally coming into his own. right now i would not trade him for any other fullback. he's playing at a probowl level. i would just like to see him get the same amount of chances that Betts gets.
in a game with field conditions like today, we should have seen Mike running more today- CP is still not healthy, i've been saying that for 2 weeks

[Lavar703]

This recent Sellers love is getting out of hand. If you gave Sellers the ball 30 times, you'd get 90 yards at best. There is a reason why he went to Walla Walla, there is a reason why he played in the CFL, and there is a reason why he's played this long in the NFL and is just now starting to get some touches. Lets not make him out to be some super star, because he's not.

The reason he went to Walla Walla and the CFL was becaue he couldnt keep himself out of trouble. The same reason he was released by cleveland. He was a beast in High school and was a monster in the CFL, but many off the field problems kept him from going to a larger college.

[hogskins]

This was a disgrace of a game, pretty much for both teams, but for one (ours of course), even moreso.

And I'd say at this point it's official. Three fumbles in three weeks for Portis. He's got a problem. And Moss???? Mindblowing.

So much blame to go around, but at the end of the day, the players take the most of the blame. There were some bad calls, but there were some great ones that could have and SHOULD HAVE won this game for us easily.

The overthrow to a wide open Lloyd, the drop on the bomb by Moss, the fumble by Moss, the drop by Moss early that would've been a first down, the drop by Sellers late that would've been a first down, the multiple drops by Sean Taylor who could've EASILY had a FIVE PICK DAY. Yes, EASILY.

I watched the game today with a rabid Packers fan, and even he wasn't that excited, because he knew how badly his team would've lost if they'd been playing a focused, well-coached, disciplined team today.

Just three words, really: PA-THE-TIC.

I had to go to a sports bar to watch this, with a Packers fan, and he basically said the same thing: "We beat a team that seemed to be trying to lose even more than we were..." He seemed almost embarrassed to take the win.

Kudos to the defense, for the most part. They largely neutralized Favre, but we could have pushed him closer to the all-time INT record faster than we did. It doesn't matter if you get some takeaways when your offense seems bound and determined to squander opportunities, though.

Another GB fan commented on what a dreadful game "number 89" had-- "You'd have beat us without him. And what's with the cute little tuxedo collar? If I played on your D. I'd rip it right off off him..."

The O-line is a shambles, which is only PART of the reason that Campbell holds onto the ball so long. He seemed indecisive and Ramsey-esque at times, but I certainly don't put any of our 2nd half fiasco on him. CP should shut the hell up and play football. And the coaching staff should be flogged for that pathetic 4th down attempt.

[jtovb2005]

And two weeks ago is was just 3 games, and in two weeks (unless we pull off a miracle against the Pats) it'll be just 7 games, etc. etc. etc....get my point?

Yes and no. IMO these days outside of a few really good teams each week gives you a chance to do something. They just have to figure out how to make it work more than they don't.

Do they need to get out of this stupid play really well one week and compltlyey blow it next, yes. Can it be done in this league sure. I have just never been keen on calling a game in the 1st half and calling a season at this point, winning or loosing. That is probably not exactly wha tsome are saying but it seems very close to me.

[wewantdallas]

And the coaching staff should be flogged for that pathetic 4th down attempt.

Actually, I think that play's failure is more on Jason than the coaches, and maybe even Betts for not running a better route.

Jason made up his mind very quickly that he was going to throw to Betts. There were other options, particularly McCardell streaking across the middle wide open for an easy first down. If Jason had just calmed down and waited for a second, he could've easily completed that throw to McCardell. He made up his mind he was going to Betts as soon as the ball was snapped.

[JasonCampbell]

Actually, I think that play's failure is more on Jason than the coaches, and maybe even Betts for not running a better route.

Jason made up his mind very quickly that he was going to throw to Betts. There were other options, particularly McCardell streaking across the middle wide open for an easy first down. If Jason had just calmed down and waited for a second, he could've easily completed that throw to McCardell. He made up his mind he was going to Betts as soon as the ball was snapped.

Easier said than done for a QB in his 12th start, standing behind a patchwork OL, with DEs that have been breathing down his neck the entire second half. Not to mention Pucillo was firing shotgun snaps high, low, and with varying velocity after Rabach left.

[jtovb2005]

Hes a DB, and he still accounted for two turnovers, the offense did nothing to help Taylor out, did they. Are you kidding me, seriously, you understand your blaming a guy who had 2 interceptions for a loss, because he didnt have 5, some peoples undieing faith in this coaching staff, Joe Gibbs aside, is mind blowing


I agree with you here Lavar. DB's ain't recivers and I don't blame ST one bit here.

But I hope you are not counting me in the undieing faith crowd :) I just watch the game and say what I see. I am not smart enough to look deep into the play calling but what I saw today came no where near the coaches fault for the result. I saw players plain old dropping or fumbling the ball. No way I excuse the coaches when I think they deserve it.

At the end of the year the coaches should clearly take blame/responsibility for the total results over 3 years if this continues. What it will show is no progress. I do have faith in both coaches and players to turn this around and make for a good season. :)

[jtovb2005]

Actually, I think that play's failure is more on Jason than the coaches, and maybe even Betts for not running a better route.

Jason made up his mind very quickly that he was going to throw to Betts. There were other options, particularly McCardell streaking across the middle wide open for an easy first down. If Jason had just calmed down and waited for a second, he could've easily completed that throw to McCardell. He made up his mind he was going to Betts as soon as the ball was snapped.

Yes McCardell was wide open for the first right away.

[wewantdallas]

Easier said than done for a QB in his 12th start, standing behind a patchwork OL, with DEs that have been breathing down his neck the entire second half. Not to mention Pucillo was firing shotgun snaps high, low, and with varying velocity after Rabach left.

The point is, people act like Saunders said, "Now Jason, throw it to Betts immediately" on that play, as if Betts was the only guy running a route. Betts was the safe route and Jason went to him too quickly. Once again, the play - designed by the coaches - provided an opportunity that was not converted by the players.

But yeah, definitely easier said than done. I think that's become this team's motto, actually.

[skinsfan45]

we have a team that is poised right on the edge of greatness or mediocrity - it will be up to the players to turn this the right way - i hope they have enough pride in themselves to take this bullsh** and turn it into a bull rush
:bangdesk:

[NCskinsfanatic]

Whatever dude, think what you want. Not holding Al Saunders accountable is the reason this team will continue to be underachievers. I dont remember when it came out anymore, but there was a story how the defensive coordinators of the teams that Al Saunders was OC of hated him. They always said he got cute with play calls and consistently lead to losses. There is a reason hes not the head coach in KC, or any team for that matter.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then lavar, nothing personal but the players blew this game and to most I think that's obvious. I din't say Saunders or any coaches were above blame, but in this one it was lack of execution plain and simple. The O did not execute, sellers dropped a 1st down, Moss drops a TD, Portis fumbles at our own 9 on a play he's ran successfully before, Moss fumbles on a play he's ran successfully before, and you are not going to have a running game with your RG playing hurt, your C out, and your 3rd option at RT on the field. Saunders has nothing to do with any of the above and those reasons are why we didnt run more an dwe didnt win.

[hogskins]

Actually, I think that play's failure is more on Jason than the coaches, and maybe even Betts for not running a better route.

Jason made up his mind very quickly that he was going to throw to Betts. There were other options, particularly McCardell streaking across the middle wide open for an easy first down. If Jason had just calmed down and waited for a second, he could've easily completed that throw to McCardell. He made up his mind he was going to Betts as soon as the ball was snapped.

I was actually talking about the earlier 4th-to-Betts, after Cooley's 3rd down catch didn't quite make it. Are we talking about the same play? The end-of-game play was just familiar Redskins surrender.

[skinsfan45]

o/t but thanks to NE 4 helping us out today:Partyred:

there needed to be some good news posted here:dance:

(try not to think about the fact that we have them in 2 weeks)

[shally]

Yes McCardell was wide open for the first right away.

mccardell was open on every play i saw him run..

he should be the number 1 option on nearly every pass play, or at the very least, the go to guy when the primary option is covered..

[shally]

we have a team that is poised right on the edge of greatness or mediocrity - it will be up to the players to turn this the right way - i hope they have enough pride in themselves to take this bullsh** and turn it into a bull rush
:bangdesk:

sorry, but after looking at the pats or even the cowboys, they are a lot closer to greatness than we are.
we are kidding ourselves to think we are even close to either of those teams..even on defense

[SpicyMcHaggis]

mccardell was open on every play i saw him run..

he should be the number 1 option on nearly every pass play, or at the very least, the go to guy when the primary option is covered..
While that is unbelievalby sad, right now it is not far from the truth, at least when it comes to our WRs. Moss has really been a non factor (if not worse) all year, and while ARE has been great so far, he can't be counted on as a #1 receiver. Not that a 65-year-old McCardell can either...

[skinsfan45]

sorry, but after looking at the pats or even the cowboys, they are a lot closer to greatness than we are.
we are kidding ourselves to think we are even close to either of those teams..even on defense
we HAVE at least as much talent individually -IMO, we just can't seem to put it together - so if i'm kidding myself, o.k. thats just where i am -- lord knows i've been here before:wacky:

[wewantdallas]

I was actually talking about the earlier 4th-to-Betts, after Cooley's 3rd down catch didn't quite make it. Are we talking about the same play? The end-of-game play was just familiar Redskins surrender.

Yes, we're talking about the same play, when they were not quite in FG position. Within the play called, there was an opportunity to convert, but it wasn't capitalized on.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

we HAVE at least as much talent individually -IMO, we just can't seem to put it together - so if i'm kidding myself, o.k. thats just where i am -- lord knows i've been here before:wacky:
I am sorry, but that is just not true. Brady and Campbell aren't comparable, and neither are their top 3 receivers with our top 3. Or top 6 actually.

[shally]

The point is, people act like Saunders said, "Now Jason, throw it to Betts immediately" on that play, as if Betts was the only guy running a route. Betts was the safe route and Jason went to him too quickly. Once again, the play - designed by the coaches - provided an opportunity that was not converted by the players.

But yeah, definitely easier said than done. I think that's become this team's motto, actually.

by that time, the rush was so intense that JC was hurrying his progressions

i remarked that in the first half, green bay had zero pressure on JC.. by the end of the game he was getting pressured or dropped on every play.

there did not seem to be very many hot routes either

[shally]

we HAVE at least as much talent individually -IMO, we just can't seem to put it together - so if i'm kidding myself, o.k. thats just where i am -- lord knows i've been here before:wacky:

no we dont.. we are just kidding ourselves if we think we do..

even our "premier" players like moss and portis have dropped several notches this year.. maybe only chris samuels is at a high level-- and he fatigued and got beaten by KGB towards the end of the game

cooley disappeared in the second half. maybe he was blocking ?
that is what happens when your o line disintegrates during a game.. it reminded me of the way our o line looked at the end of the playoff game against seattle.. with raymer playing out of position and brunell being beaten up on every play

[skinsfan45]

no we dont.. we are just kidding ourselves if we think we do..

even our "premier" players like moss and portis have dropped several notches this year.. maybe only chris samuels is at a high level-- and he fatigued and got beaten by KGB towards the end of the game

cooley disappeared in the second half. maybe he was blocking ?
that is what happens when your o line disintegrates during a game.. it reminded me of the way our o line looked at the end of the playoff game against seattle.. with raymer playing out of position and brunell being beaten up on every play
o.k. so we agree to disagree - you be the realist and i'll wear my rose colored glasses a little while longer:Peace:

[shally]

o.k. so we agree to disagree - you be the realist and i'll wear my rose colored glasses a little while longer:Peace:

peace to you as well.. sorry, today has been such a downer.. we are still above .500

[skinsfan45]

peace to you as well.. sorry, today has been such a downer.. we are still above .500
yes sir, thats our Skins -- tease u like a sixteen yr old girl and leave the room -- i know i'm probably in the minority but i have this vision sometimes of returning to those days when... well u know, you're a long time fan too!

[SKINTOWIN77]

How can people say only the players lost it??? Rediculous dumb play calling was made by the coaches!!! How does a right minded coach go for a first down on 4th and 2 when the could have tried for a field goal? Not to mention the dumb play they run on 4th and 2. Joe gibbs is the stupidist person ever (lately, he is pased his prime and needs to change to todays NFL.)!!! How do you call a screen to Betts again after they knew it didn't work for the Giants game on 1st and goal!! FIELD GOAL, FIELD GOAL, FIELD GOAL but if you don't try for it (and I don't know why they didnt!!!!! STUPIDDDD!) RUN THE FREAKIN ROCK!!!! LIVE BY THE RUN DIE BY IT!!! RIGHT UP THE GUT!!! He lets the dumb game clock run to the 2min warning on 2nd down & 10 at the end of the game instead of calling the time out with 2.30 remaining! What a poorly coached game! Yes the players lost it but the weather kinda screwed it up a bit, no excuses though! But coaching had a huge brain fart! FIRE GIBBS AND STUPID SAUNDERS!!! They crack under presure and we're doomed in any games when its close, late!

[shally]

How can people say only the players lost it??? Rediculous dumb play calling was made by the coaches!!! How does a right minded coach go for a first down on 4th and 2 when the could have tried for a field goal? Not to mention the dumb play they run on 4th and 2. Joe gibbs is the stupidist person ever (lately, he is pased his prime and needs to change to todays NFL.)!!! How do you call a screen to Betts again after they knew it didn't work for the Giants game on 1st and goal!! FIELD GOAL, FIELD GOAL, FIELD GOAL but if you don't try for it (and I don't know why they didnt!!!!! STUPIDDDD!) RUN THE FREAKIN ROCK!!!! LIVE BY THE RUN DIE BY IT!!! RIGHT UP THE GUT!!! He lets the dumb game clock run to the 2min warning on 2nd down & 10 at the end of the game instead of calling the time out with 2.30 remaining! What a poorly coached game! Yes the players lost it but the weather kinda screwed it up a bit, no excuses though! But coaching had a huge brain fart! FIRE GIBBS AND STUPID SAUNDERS!!! They crack under presure and we're doomed in any games when its close, late!

nothing like starting out with a bang.. pace yourself, bro

i think the FG was out of suishams range. that is the only reason that a coach onthe road does not take a tying fg inthe final quarter

in the pregame the fg kicker will tell the coaches where his max distance is. i have to believe that is why they didnt go for it then..

[hail2skins]

How can people say only the players lost it??? Rediculous dumb play calling was made by the coaches!!! How does a right minded coach go for a first down on 4th and 2 when the could have tried for a field goal? Not to mention the dumb play they run on 4th and 2. Joe gibbs is the stupidist person ever (lately, he is pased his prime and needs to change to todays NFL.)!!! How do you call a screen to Betts again after they knew it didn't work for the Giants game on 1st and goal!! FIELD GOAL, FIELD GOAL, FIELD GOAL but if you don't try for it (and I don't know why they didnt!!!!! STUPIDDDD!) RUN THE FREAKIN ROCK!!!! LIVE BY THE RUN DIE BY IT!!! RIGHT UP THE GUT!!! He lets the dumb game clock run to the 2min warning on 2nd down & 10 at the end of the game instead of calling the time out with 2.30 remaining! What a poorly coached game! Yes the players lost it but the weather kinda screwed it up a bit, no excuses though! But coaching had a huge brain fart! FIRE GIBBS AND STUPID SAUNDERS!!! They crack under presure and we're doomed in any games when its close, late!
Here we go.

Kicking a 53 yard field goal in moist weather with a slight wind. Yeah, go for it. Kick it away Suishy.

Tracking system engaged. Target marked.

[SKINTOWIN77]

Here we go.

Kicking a 53 yard field goal in moist weather with a slight wind. Yeah, go for it. Kick it away Suishy.

Tracking system engaged. Target marked.

Don't you think it was better than a dumb screen play. At least it was a shot, what else could they have done? if the can't get it done on 3 downs what makes it seem they can do it on forth? KIck it and see what happens, if he makes it we tie, if not we have the same out come. Packer ball. They were taking the same chance going for it since the dumb receivers could catch anything and the o-line couldnt block .

[hail2skins]

Don't you think it was better than a dumb screen play. At least it was a shot, what else could they have done? if the can't get it done on 3 downs what makes it seem they can do it on forth? KIck it and see what happens, if he makes it we tie, if not we have the same out come. Packer ball. They were taking the same chance going for it since the dumb receivers could catch anything and the o-line couldnt block .If they had kicked the field goal and missed it then folks would be crying why they didn't go for it on 4th and 2. They're damned if they do and damned if they don't.