OL Concerns [Merged]

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

This is going to be a huge issue for next week and the season to come. We've already lost Jansen and Thomas. Today, Wade, Heyer and Rabach go down and Campbell is sent running for his life in the second half. I don't know what the extent of their injuries are right now, but what are we going to do for depth? The OL was hit hard today and its going to be a long season if any of those guys are going to be out for an extensive amount of time.

[WisconsinRedskins]

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[CNYSkinFan]

yeah the injuries are starting to pile up. There is not a team in the league that can lose 3/5 of the oline and 2 reserves. Definitely walking wounded out there.

[shally]

This is going to be a huge issue for next week and the season to come. We've already lost Jansen and Thomas. Today, Wade, Heyer and Rabach go down and Campbell is sent running for his life in the second half. I don't know what the extent of their injuries are right now, but what are we going to do for depth? The OL was hit hard today and its going to be a long season if any of those guys are going to be out for an extensive amount of time.

and lefotu might still be in jail...lol

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Honestly, if Rabach and any of the reserves miss a significant amount of games, there is very little we can do. We are basically screwed.
You can't afford to lost your RT, RG, C, and the first couple of reserves and expect to put a decent line on the field.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

and lefotu might still be in jail...lol
lol. not like he'd get on the field anyway.

[JasonCampbell]

Heyer's injury looked pretty bad. At first I thought he torn his hamstring by the look of it, but since he walked off, it's probably strained. The fact Wade went back in is good.

Rabach's is just a groin. How bad is that for an OL? Obviously it would be a worse injury for a WR or RB.

[shally]

Honestly, if Rabach and any of the reserves miss a significant amount of games, there is very little we can do. We are basically screwed.
You can't afford to lost your RT, RG, C, and the first couple of reserves and expect to put a decent line on the field.

green bay was playing with reserves at center and guard today and their receivers and backs managed to hold onto the ball more than we did

[shally]

Heyer's injury looked pretty bad. At first I thought he torn his hamstring by the look of it, but since he walked off, it's probably strained. The fact Wade went back in is good.

Rabach's is just a groin. How bad is that for an OL? Obviously it would be a worse injury for a WR or RB.

i dont know.. try squatting down and pushing off with your legs if your groin hurts.. ouch !!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

green bay was playing with reserves at center and guard today and their receivers and backs managed to hold onto the ball more than we did
That's two starters. And they did nothing on offense besides one play basically.
We would be talking about 3 starters and a few reserves if all those guys don't come back.

[shally]

That's two starters. And they did nothing on offense besides one play basically.
We would be talking about 3 starters and a few reserves if all those guys don't come back.

i know.. but with all of that, if moss and portis hold onto the ball, we still are good enough to win

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i know.. but with all of that, if moss and portis hold onto the ball, we still are good enough to win

What is really making me upset is the fact that we are good enough to be 5-0 so far, but are just a slightly-better-than average 3-2, with a must win game against the Cards next week (or else we could be looking at 3-4 after the Pats game).

[JasonCampbell]

What is really making me upset is the fact that we are good enough to be 5-0 so far, but are just a slightly-better-than average 3-2, with a must win game against the Cards next week (or else we could be looking at 3-4 after the Pats game).

I'm with you there, man. We easily should be 5-0. Granted, it wouldn't be a good 5-0, but in great shape to make the playoffs.

[shally]

I'm with you there, man. We easily should be 5-0. Granted, it wouldn't be a good 5-0, but in great shape to make the playoffs.

playoffs ??? PLAYOFFS ????


(dust off that old jim mora quote)

we are not a playoff team

[JasonCampbell]

playoffs ??? PLAYOFFS ????


(dust off that old jim mora quote)

we are not a playoff team

I still think we can make it...the NFC is wide open. But my point was, at 5-0, we would be in a lot better shape to make them than at 3-2.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I'm with you there, man. We easily should be 5-0. Granted, it wouldn't be a good 5-0, but in great shape to make the playoffs.
sorry, but there is no bad 5-0, lol. and yes, we could/would/should be 5-0. we are comparable to the 0-5 team, but i think we are actually better on D and on offense at this point through 5 games, IMO.

[Lavar703]

I still think we can make it...the NFC is wide open. But my point was, at 5-0, we would be in a lot better shape to make them than at 3-2.

We can make it, but alot has to be changed on the offensive side of the ball. Would be nice to have Adrian Peterson right now, he had over 200 yards rushing today

[SpicyMcHaggis]

We can make it, but alot has to be changed on the offensive side of the ball. Would be nice to have Adrian Peterson right now, he had over 200 yards rushing today

He's awesome. Just awesome.

[Battle Cat]

We looked terrible today but I still think we can be a playoff team. Not with how we looked today but we still have a chance. Next week could be make or break.

[JasonCampbell]

He's awesome. Just awesome.

He looked like a man amongst boys in college...and the same is true in the NFL. I really hope he can stay healthy, because he could be very special.

[Lavar703]

He's awesome. Just awesome.

Seriously dude, hes rediculous. Why do we always discover a problem at a position after we pass on a monster at that position in the draft, were cursed

[smoak]

I just wanted to take a second to congratulate Joe Bugle who is holding this offensive line together with spit and duct tape.

The offensive line is a concern, but they are not why we lost today.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Our O-line is shattered right now. I hope Demulling knows how to play tackle and center now that our backups are hurt.

[JasonCampbell]

I just wanted to take a second to congratulate Joe Bugle who is holding this offensive line together with spit and duct tape.

The offensive line is a concern, but they are not why we lost today.

I second that. Buges has done a great job patching this OL together with has beens (Fabini), never were that good (Wade), and a kid who didn't get drafted (Heyer).

[JasonCampbell]

Our O-line is shattered right now. I hope Demulling knows how to play tackle and center now that our backups are hurt.

Is he just inactive? I've never even seen him on the sideline.

[Dept_of_Defense]

Is he just inactive? I've never even seen him on the sideline.

I think he was because they were about to put Lorenzo Alexander in for Heyer when he went down. I'd rather see a one-legged Jansen in there than a defensive lineman.

[Biggie]

We actually ran out of offensive linemen before Wade was able to come back in. This is insane.

Buges deserves coach of the year honors, as far as I'm concerned.

[MadDog97]

playoffs ??? PLAYOFFS ????


(dust off that old jim mora quote)

we are not a playoff team

Please noone say the word playoffs. This team needs to get 5 healthy offensive lineman and Moss needs a confidence boost. Cooley and ARE are becoming the only reliable targets. Sellers struggled today as well.

[skinsfan45]

I still think we can make it...the NFC is wide open. But my point was, at 5-0, we would be in a lot better shape to make them than at 3-2.
well sure we would be - and we could be as u said but until we find that magic(guts and determination, followed up with 4 quarters of pro playing) that makes it all work together we will remain almost

[Meatsnack]

You are what your record says you are. We are a slightly above average team capable of winning or losing to almost anyone. Jason gives us chances to compete. Now if we can get him a supporting cast instead of an undermining cast...

[firehawk157]

This is a biggie... JLC is saying the Rabach is limping around pretty bad, Heyer feels like he pulled something but Wade feels like he'll be able to go. Losing Rabach is the worst IMO. It's clear that we need him to beat the upper echelon teams. We can't have Campbell running around in the backfield like that either. So either way, I figured I'd make an OL catch-all thread to talk about the injuries (time estimates anybody?), possible fixes and free agents out there that may help (but who would get cut)?

Personally, I'd activate Demulling and see what he has and let Fabini play back-up tackle to Wade and see test the waters for a decent center because I don't think Pucillo is that guy. Anyone have any good names? Cut Caldwell because it's clear he's dead weight.

If we don't get the OL fixed, nobody can expect Portis to put up 4+ YPC and nobody can expect a decent game outta Campbell if he has to run around all the time, dodging tackles.

[hogs86]

Ray Brown looks like he can still play.:bsmile: Grimm is coming to town. Last year it was the D-line this year the O-line. I really think we will make a trade by Tuesday for a NFL vet that can play now.Kind of like Vinny for the panthers. Someone that can come in Wednesday and play this weekend.

[hogs86]

Does anyone have a list of FA linemen ?? That could help us ?? Campbell will be running for his life not just this weekend but next weekend against the Pat's they will crush the kid.

[CNYSkinFan]

Pucillo is pretty good at center. He is no rabach but he is no slouch either. Demulling will need to be activated and Fabini will need to be ready to move to tackle at a moment's notice.

Too bad lefotu was arreested he may have found his way back onto the roster this weke.

I doubt we go with a trade because we have nothing to offer, no cap room, and no one is out there to trade for.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Honestly, if Rabach misses more than one or two games, we are in very serious trouble. If he is out for the season (which I really doubt at this point) we are screwed.

[firehawk157]

Ray Brown looks like he can still play.:bsmile: Grimm is coming to town. Last year it was the D-line this year the O-line. I really think we will make a trade by Tuesday for a NFL vet that can play now.Kind of like Vinny for the panthers. Someone that can come in Wednesday and play this weekend.
Who could they possibly trade for??? Guard I think we'll stand pat in, tackle I think Wade can still do well so that leaves the center. Who wants to give up their center?

[firehawk157]

$2M in cap room is more than enough to make a small move for a decent center. Honestly, I think Brandon Lloyd (provided they eat up the cap hit) plus a 3 rounder would net us a decent center from a team that is rebuilding and has an old vet there.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

$2M in cap room is more than enough to make a small move for a decent center. Honestly, I think Brandon Lloyd (provided they eat up the cap hit) plus a 3 rounder would net us a decent center from a team that is rebuilding and has an old vet there.

We can't give up a 3rd round pick for a guy who will have to start for at most 11 games (plus possible playoffs).

[hail2skins]

Threads merged. There was already a OL concern thread.

[firehawk157]

What if that guy is the difference between the playoffs and saying a season ending injury to Campbell? Sure, I would like to not give up anything in the draft, but if the difference is being competitive and mediocrity, especially with a young QB in there, you gotta make the trade. I guess we should find out just how injured Rabach is. If he's out for a week or two, I can see just standing pat. But if he's out for 10 weeks or something like that, we can pretty much count him out this season.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

What if that guy is the difference between the playoffs and saying a season ending injury to Campbell? Sure, I would like to not give up anything in the draft, but if the difference is being competitive and mediocrity, especially with a young QB in there, you gotta make the trade. I guess we should find out just how injured Rabach is. If he's out for a week or two, I can see just standing pat. But if he's out for 10 weeks or something like that, we can pretty much count him out this season.
I highly doubt that there is a guy available right now that would make such big a difference that he is worth a third round pick.

[hogs86]

What happen to these two guys. Zach Pillar and Will Whitticker. Back in camp Buges kept talking about Whitticker then he hurt his ankle and we let him go.

[shally]

What happen to these two guys. Zach Pillar and Will Whitticker. Back in camp Buges kept talking about Whitticker then he hurt his ankle and we let him go.

whittaker got fat,lazy and out of shape.. if he got his act together he might be possible..

we passed k vincent to sign demulling and he signed elsewhere.. pillar ? i dont know

[hogs86]

I got this from the post.

The Redskins have just six healthy offensive linemen on the active roster now, and could activate Kili Lefotu or Justin Geisinger from the practice squad for Sunday's game at FedEx Field.

Gibbs said he needs to get "all the information" on Lefotu's arrest before taking any disciplinary action. Gibbs also spoke with defensive line coach Greg Blache about possibly using defensive lineman Lorenzo Alexander on the offensive line Sunday. Alexander worked with the offensive line during offseason practices and nearly entered the game last week before Wade came back in.

The Redskins also will be working out centers and tackles today, sources said, seeking those with NFL experience. Among those expected to work out is tackle Kevin Sampson, league sources said, a seventh-round pick by Kansas City in 2004 who played for the Chiefs under Redskins associate head coach Al Saunders, starting seven games amid injury problems.



Link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/15/AR2007101501734.html

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think if were gonna sign someone they should be as familiar with this offense as possible ...hopefully accelerating their ability to contribute fairly soon.

[skinsfan36]

I think if were gonna sign someone they should be as familiar with this offense as possible ...hopefully accelerating their ability to contribute fairly soon.

that is true especailly at center

[greatest2]

Whatever they do, i hope they don't put Randy Thomas on injury reserve

Thinking of our line being a its best near the end of the season with fabini and wade on the right just sucks, and will not cut it. We need to have thomas back to be with wade, and we will be solid again. I don't know how the front office is going to do it, but i pray they don't put Thomas on injury reserve.

release a wideout if you sign someone. Or stay within and try to get by for a game and hope we don't get injured. I don't know, but we need thomas down the stretch run if we want any chance at this thing

[shally]

Whatever they do, i hope they don't put Randy Thomas on injury reserve

Thinking of our line being a its best near the end of the season with fabini and wade on the right just sucks, and will not cut it. We need to have thomas back to be with wade, and we will be solid again. I don't know how the front office is going to do it, but i pray they don't put Thomas on injury reserve.

release a wideout if you sign someone. Or stay within and try to get by for a game and hope we don't get injured. I don't know, but we need thomas down the stretch run if we want any chance at this thing

i think the decision has already been make to keep thomas for a return late in the season. we are overloaded at receiver, i think that is where the cut will come from.. or perhaps boschetti is another player who could be sacrificed

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Did I miss an injury update? The way Rabach and Wade looked on Sunday, I felt pretty confident that they would be fine for Arizona. Has one or both of them been announced as questionable/doubtful?

[hail2skins]

From Jason LaCanfora

Several offensive linemen were bought in today. One of the played for Saunders before. The other was in training camp. He doesn't know much about the 3rd one.

Also, he says Pucillo thinks Rabach will play on Sunday

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/10/o_linemen_tryouts.html

[firehawk157]

From Jason LaCanfora

Several offensive linemen were bought in today. One of the played for Saunders before. The other was in training camp. He doesn't know much about the 3rd one.

Also, he says Pucillo thinks Rabach will play on Sunday

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/10/o_linemen_tryouts.html
I freaking hope so. Things look a lot better if he's in.

[shally]

From Jason LaCanfora

Several offensive linemen were bought in today. One of the played for Saunders before. The other was in training camp. He doesn't know much about the 3rd one.

Also, he says Pucillo thinks Rabach will play on Sunday

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/10/o_linemen_tryouts.html


canfora followed that blog item with another that said that rabach was feeling better, but no yet practicing

[Hr fan]

As of this post IMO no trade. However I am not against it if the price is right (potential rather than vet at a 7th?). On who goes, Boschetti - please someone tell me he is vital to ST because he is now playing behind Alexander. As far as who is available, knowledge of system, followed by similar technique, followed by future potential. I am ignorant of who might be available to populate this list, but I am hopeful the fo isn't.

[hail2skins]

canfora followed that blog item with another that said that rabach was feeling better, but no yet practicingpractice doesn't start until tomorrow

[SkinsfaninNJ]

practice doesn't start until tomorrow

Rabach should be held back either way. He can still gameplan mentally and stretch out the groin without risking further injury.

[shally]

Rabach should be held back either way. He can still gameplan mentally and stretch out the groin without risking further injury.

still the first time he gets pounded on in the game he will be at risk.. he plays so well by firing out to the second level that it is going to mess with his game, even if he can go..

[colkurtz]

Buges has kept this line together, but they need more backups just to keep the rotation and there and everyone fresh.

This was to be one of the team strengths and now it is one of the biggest holes. Portis and Betts are having enough trouble without this issue. people are going to need to step up if this team is going to move forward here.