Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down

[PennSkinsFan]

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[SpicyMcHaggis]

LINK (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=222)

I would give an honorable mention for Thumbs Down to Coach Gibbs for the usual horrible clock management and Time-Out management, but I guess at this point, it's almost redundant.
Aside from that, I agree with pretty much everything.

[Carmelo]

that was quick.

I agree that since our recievers have not been playing like they should and McCardell hasn't shown us anything but good plays, he should get more chances.

Clinton is definitely not earning his money right now. Him and Moss both seem very distracted.

[Battle Cat]

Honarable mention thumbs down to Wade as well. He did a good thing coming back after being hurt but even before he was hurt Kampman or however you spell it was killing him and did the same to Heyer when he came in.

[Biggie]

I think Portis should be running laps tomorrow to get him in shape and Moss should spend the entire day catching passes.

[jaylen]

Sean Taylor was outstanding. He's having a great season. He's closing on everything. he should be in the running for DPOY.

Our defense is tremendous. Rogers is having a solid season in coverage. We're getting pressue.

Cooley as I predicted before the game was a big factor I thought he could have a big day and he did but its still not enough.

But the thumbs down were very obvious today.

[skinsfan45]

definately thumbs up for our defense, they fight ALL game -- offense has me confused, r they practicing during the week? not evident on the field and BIG call out to trainers and conditioning coaches, the injury bug is killing us - we had nothing but an injury riddled offense -- JC deserved much better than what we gave him to work with today -- somebody better be held accountable for this lack of football playing today -- i hope heads roll all week long :mad:

[smoak]

I think Portis should be running laps tomorrow to get him in shape and Moss should spend the entire day catching passes.

I agree and I've been talking about Portis' condidtioning for awhile now. He certainly doesn't have the explosion he used to a couple years ago....

I'd have the entire team (including Moss, Taylor, and Cooley) stay after practice with the jugs machine.

[American Soldier]

that was quick.

I agree that since our recievers have not been playing like they should and McCardell hasn't shown us anything but good plays, he should get more chances.

Clinton is definitely not earning his money right now. Him and Moss both seem very distracted.

Distracted is the word. CP has a show and Moss has a new Website. Neither player has arrived as an elite player in this league as far as I'm concerned. Elite player consistently produce plays.

[BigDaddySkin]

I think Portis should be running laps tomorrow to get him in shape and Moss should spend the entire day catching passes.

AMEN!!!!

[shally]

this is not a one game aberration.. both of them have had issues with drops and fumbles all year

as leaders they were supposed to be making big plays.. unfortunately a lot of them have been for our opponents

[redskin_rich]

Thumbs up to Campbell, Cooley and the defense.
It's pretty easy to point out who cost us this game. I don't know what the heck is wrong with Moss but he is not focused and doesn't even seem to have enough of a spark to try and redeem himself right now. This is a very disturbing development.
Portis runs hard and plays hard when he plays but this whole deal with him constantly coming off the field is a serious detriment to our offensive rhythm. Betts is maybe 1/3rd as talented as Portis but if he is willing to stay on the field for entire drives, I would give him the staring role. We can't continue with this in and out RB's during drives. It is impossible to get a rhythm going and it's putting way too much unneeded pressure on Campbell.

[firehawk157]

Not that I'm advocating in any way cutting/trading Portis or Moss, but what are those cap hits???

[redskin_rich]

Not that I'm advocating in any way cutting/trading Portis or Moss, but what are those cap hits???

I don't know but I'm sure someone here can give a close figure. IMO, Moss is not an option, he is our best WR and we are hurting at that position. I don't know what is wrong with Moss but there is definitely something. Besides his suddenly bad hands, he just doesn't seem to have his competitive fire. I really think there is something going on with him, behind the scenes, that we are unaware of right now. He just seems to be unfocused.

Portis, on the other hand, will be entering the back end, high salary part of his contract next year. If he was contributing the 300+ carries per year that he did in '04 and '05, it would be a no-brainer to restructure/extend his contract to make it more cap-friendly and ensure that he was a Redskin for many more years. But, what he is giving us now is nowhere near worthy of what he is making and I think despite his good production, when he does run, he is hurting our offense with his constant in and out nonsense. We can't run our offense around his whims. Come December, we will need a consistent running attack and he is a guy that we need to lean on. If he can't give us that, we need to let him go.

[firehawk157]

I don't know but I'm sure someone here can give a close figure. IMO, Moss is not an option, he is our best WR and we are hurting at that position. I don't know what is wrong with Moss but there is definitely something. Besides his suddenly bad hands, he just doesn't seem to have his competitive fire. I really think there is something going on with him, behind the scenes, that we are unaware of right now. He just seems to be unfocused.

Portis, on the other hand, will be entering the back end, high salary part of his contract next year. If he was contributing the 300+ carries per year that he did in '04 and '05, it would be a no-brainer to restructure/extend his contract to make it more cap-friendly and ensure that he was a Redskin for many more years. But, what he is giving us now is nowhere near worthy of what he is making and I think despite his good production, when he does run, he is hurting our offense with his constant in and out nonsense. We can't run our offense around his whims. Come December, we will need a consistent running attack and he is a guy that we need to lean on. If he can't give us that, we need to let him go.
No offense, but Moss doesn't get a pass. If he can only manage 40 yards a game this season, something is seriously wrong and we need a real #1 receiver. Somebody who isn't in and out and we can RELY on. 05 was awesome, but 06 was mediocre in terms of production. 07 is looking REAL nasty so far. JC needs somebody he can trust that if he gets him the ball, he'll hang on. If he needs to drive 50 yards in 50 seconds with no timeouts, that receiver will be there, at least drawing coverage. Moss has to really get his head on straight if he wants to be considered a number 1 receiver in this league.

[redskin_rich]

No offense, but Moss doesn't get a pass. If he can only manage 40 yards a game this season, something is seriously wrong and we need a real #1 receiver. Somebody who isn't in and out and we can RELY on. 05 was awesome, but 06 was mediocre in terms of production. 07 is looking REAL nasty so far. JC needs somebody he can trust that if he gets him the ball, he'll hang on. If he needs to drive 50 yards in 50 seconds with no timeouts, that receiver will be there, at least drawing coverage. Moss has to really get his head on straight if he wants to be considered a number 1 receiver in this league.

I'm not trying to give Moss a pass, believe me, I hold him most responsible for this loss. I'm just saying that whatever is wrong with him is uncommon and not something that has plagued him before, at least while he has been here. It's a mystery.
Portis, on the other hand, has always been lazy in regards to practice and this whole deal with him deciding when he can come off the field is a complete joke. He is one of our best players and we need him. We can't establish any kind of rhythm with him running off the field every other play.

[firehawk157]

I agree, but if we want Campbell to be anything more than just a mediocre QB with potential, he needs a Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Roy Williams or the like. All the greats usually have a dependable WR and Moss isn't fitting the bill. We need to go another direction if he can't be Campbell's go-to guy.

And I agree on Portis, we'll see on how that turns out.

[skinsfan45]

I don't know but I'm sure someone here can give a close figure. IMO, Moss is not an option, he is our best WR and we are hurting at that position. I don't know what is wrong with Moss but there is definitely something. Besides his suddenly bad hands, he just doesn't seem to have his competitive fire. I really think there is something going on with him, behind the scenes, that we are unaware of right now. He just seems to be unfocused.

Portis, on the other hand, will be entering the back end, high salary part of his contract next year. If he was contributing the 300+ carries per year that he did in '04 and '05, it would be a no-brainer to restructure/extend his contract to make it more cap-friendly and ensure that he was a Redskin for many more years. But, what he is giving us now is nowhere near worthy of what he is making and I think despite his good production, when he does run, he is hurting our offense with his constant in and out nonsense. We can't run our offense around his whims. Come December, we will need a consistent running attack and he is a guy that we need to lean on. If he can't give us that, we need to let him go.
i feel like u nailed Moss with that -- something has to be going on that we are not aware of -- his level of play has dropped so dramatically for no APPARENT reason -- and as much as CP has contributed in the past his head doesn't appear to be in the game -- Cooley spoke briefly on the dropped balls in post game and said he felt like it was just lack of concentration -- sure, he has to be somewhat diplomatic in front of cameras, but his words were that weather should not have been a factor because they practice and play outside all the time -- and he was catching passes so...

whatever monkey is on Moss, i sure hope he can shake it this week

[skinsfan36]

my x factors get a thumps up for sure taylor,cooley
huge thumbs down to moss,and offensive playcalling

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Right now when I look at Moss and Portis I see two good players who are often injured (or at least out of the game) and who are unable to do what is expected from a star running back or a star wide receiver, which is take over a game and bring the team to victory.
I mean, in the last two seasons (21 games), Moss has had just 3 100 yard games, and only 1 (the Jags game last year) in which he really took over. That is simply not enough for a star WR.
Same with Portis (actually even worse): after his great 5 game streak at the end of 2005, he has had just ONE 100 yard game (again, the Jags game), and just one game in which he has rushed for over 5 yards a carry.
There may be a wide variety of reasons for this, but the truth is that we currently don't have a WR or a RB who we can honestly say are in the top 10 in the league.

[smoak]

Right now when I look at Moss and Portis I see two good players who are often injured (or at least out of the game) and who are unable to do what is expected from a star running back or a star wide receiver, which is take over a game and bring the team to victory.
I mean, in the last two seasons (21 games), Moss has had just 3 100 yard games, and only 1 (the Jags game last year) in which he really took over. That is simply not enough for a star WR.
Same with Portis (actually even worse): after his great 5 game streak at the end of 2005, he has had just ONE 100 yard game (again, the Jags game), and just one game in which he has rushed for over 5 yards a carry.
There may be a wide variety of reasons for this, but the truth is that we currently don't have a WR or a RB who we can honestly say are in the top 10 in the league.

It isn't fair to throw out 2005 though. IMO lets get behind these guys and see what they are capable of doing in a "must win" against AZ. If they fail there its time to break up the band. But I know they won't fail.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

It isn't fair to throw out 2005 though. IMO lets get behind these guys and see what they are capable of doing in a "must win" against AZ. If they fail there its time to break up the band. But I know they won't fail.

I definitely agree. That's why I think that any judgement should only happen at the end of this season. Like we saw in 2005, alot can happen in a season. But if this season is as inproductive as the last, I don't think we can afford to go into next season with two question marks at the most important skill positions (aside from QB).

[smoak]

I definitely agree. That's why I think that any judgement should only happen at the end of this season. Like we saw in 2005, alot can happen in a season. But if this season is as inproductive as the last, I don't think we can afford to go into next season with two question marks at the most important skill positions (aside from QB).

Sure, I meant they should break up the team AFTER the season... Losing next week would break my spirit, but maybe a miracle couls save the season. I said we'd need to be 5-1 or 4-2 after 6 games to make the playoffs, and I still feel that way. I just didn't realize how good dallass would look???

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Sure, I meant they should break up the team AFTER the season... Losing next week would break my spirit, but maybe a miracle couls save the season. I said we'd need to be 5-1 or 4-2 after 6 games to make the playoffs, and I still feel that way. I just didn't realize how good dallass would look???
Yeah, that could be a problem. They looked pretty good even yesterday even though they lost. What works in our favor though is that with the general mediocrity in the NFC, I think it's possible that a 9-7 team makes the playoffs this year. Even though I am a bit tired of hoping to squeak into the playoffs, it's true that once you're in, anything can happen, especially in the NFC.

[smoak]

Yeah, that could be a problem. They looked pretty good even yesterday even though they lost. What works in our favor though is that with the general mediocrity in the NFC, I think it's possible that a 9-7 team makes the playoffs this year. Even though I am a bit tired of hoping to squeak into the playoffs, it's true that once you're in, anything can happen, especially in the NFC.

dallass go go **CBS** themselves for all I care. I'm soooooooo looking forward to playing the "elite" teams in this league it isn't funny. Maybe the players don't know it, but they are capable of great things. First stop is a must win against the Cardinals. I don't care if Lloyd plays RT, we can't have excuses after this one.

[CarMike]

Todd Wade gets two great big ole thumbs down from me!!! He was used and abused in the first half. Their DE killed him.

[Keino]

Moss lost that game yesterday.....All By himself he did enough to lose it, but then throw in the help he had from Portis.

If you're hurt, don't play.

[Biggie]

I think all Portis really needs is a kick in the pants and some time on the treadmill. As for Moss, on the other hand, well... we named him Least Valuable Player over at PGH.

[redwolf1218]

I'm not trying to give Moss a pass, believe me, I hold him most responsible for this loss. I'm just saying that whatever is wrong with him is uncommon and not something that has plagued him before, at least while he has been here. It's a mystery.
Portis, on the other hand, has always been lazy in regards to practice and this whole deal with him deciding when he can come off the field is a complete joke. He is one of our best players and we need him. We can't establish any kind of rhythm with him running off the field every other play.

i agree. i remember Riggins and even Larry Brown looking exhausted but they walked back to the huddle, not to the sidelines. i'm sick of it. when is the last time Portis had a big game? i dont remember. how long will it take for him to get in shape?

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i agree. i remember Riggins and even Larry Brown looking exhausted but they walked back to the huddle, not to the sidelines. i'm sick of it. when is the last time Portis had a big game? i dont remember. how long will it take for him to get in shape?
The Jaguars game last year. That was the only time in the last two seasons that he rushed for 100 yards.

[openallnight]

i feel like u nailed Moss with that -- something has to be going on that we are not aware of -- his level of play has dropped so dramatically for no APPARENT reason -- and as much as CP has contributed in the past his head doesn't appear to be in the game -- Cooley spoke briefly on the dropped balls in post game and said he felt like it was just lack of concentration -- sure, he has to be somewhat diplomatic in front of cameras, but his words were that weather should not have been a factor because they practice and play outside all the time -- and he was catching passes so...

whatever monkey is on Moss, i sure hope he can shake it this week

I just want to know how much Moss got paid off to sabotage us. There is no other explanation for the worst game I've ever seen by an nfl wide receiver.

I was actually excited before the game that Moss was starting. In hindsight we'd be 4 - 1 right now if only Moss had NOT played.

[dj_stouty]

I'd like to give Sean Taylor a THUMBS UP for catching 2 INTS...but I'd also like to give Sean Tayor a THUMBS DOWN for dropping 3 INTs. :)

[BigCountry]

Why did it take the coaching staff 4 years to figure out that they need to use Taylor like Randy Shannon did at Miami? If it's because he wasn't picking up the mental aspects of the game then that really irritates me. Everyone here was saying he'd be a better player if he just got his narrow behind in the film room but I don't think any of realized the extent of it. He should have done whatever he did this offseason after his rookie season.

All that being said, I'd like to welcome the Sean Taylor we hoped we'd see when we drafted him to the Redskins. Bout damn time you showed up, now lock the door so that other guy doesn't come back.

[smoak]

I'd like to give Sean Taylor a THUMBS UP for catching 2 INTS...but I'd also like to give Sean Tayor a THUMBS DOWN for dropping 3 INTs. :)

That is how I feel. You have to hang onto those in the NFL b/c the one would have most likely gone back for 6. Also the lateral was just plain stoopid.

[redskin_rich]

That is how I feel. You have to hang onto those in the NFL b/c the one would have most likely gone back for 6. Also the lateral was just plain stoopid.

Taylor looked dead tired on that play, he was looking for someone to give the ball to the entire time.

Maybe if he took that ridiculous tape of his hands, he might catch a few more balls.

[RedskinsDave]

I had my thumbs up but I dropped them.

[skinsfan45]

Taylor looked dead tired on that play, he was looking for someone to give the ball to the entire time.

Maybe if he took that ridiculous tape of his hands, he might catch a few more balls.
tired? IDK, but he sure did not want that ball

[dj_stouty]

Maybe if he took that ridiculous tape of his hands, he might catch a few more balls.

I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. Makes you wonder if that tape actually hinders him from catching the ball. I think its all "for show", and does nothing to help him during the game. (Just like the players who put those thin armbands underneith their elbows)

[smoak]

Taylor looked dead tired on that play, he was looking for someone to give the ball to the entire time.

Maybe if he took that ridiculous tape of his hands, he might catch a few more balls.

Yeah, I thought the same thing (about Taylor not looking explosive)??? I know I thought PSF's comment questioning the trainers was an overration (turns out it was obvious sarcasm), but is there potentially something to it?

Forget the Denver offensive line and the differences between their offense and ours... Yes or no. Is Clinton Portis an explosive player?

I say no, and I wonder is it his work ethic or the coaching staff no preparing him (or both)? I justy don't know, but he does not have that fifth gear that other backs do in the league and my contention is that in 2005 (not unlike last season with Betts) that the offensive line was more the reason for our success. I can't remember a time except for his first run from scrimmage where I really felt that Portis ran away from guys. But I have plenty of memories of him running out of gas (Texans game last season) and/or taking himself out of games.