What's the difference between the Redskins' offense and the Patriots or Colts?

[American Soldier]

By the way, the Patriots just beat down the Cowboys 47 - 27 scoring with 19 seconds left in the game. That's how you play the game!! You deject teams so the next team you play knows you mean business. They just showed the "original 81" sitting quietly on the bench. Just lovely. Nothing like giving a team a humble pie. Anyway, on to my subject:

Our players are just as talented, if not more than the Patriots or the Colts. What's the problem. For instance:

QB
Brady vs Campbell - Both tough. Brady is better. Point blank. But Campbell runs the offense well.

RB
We have a better RB (if he can hold on to the ball).

WR
Even (if we can catch the ball.) Randy Moss is a beast though.

TE
We have a better TE

OL
Until the injuries, we have an even if not better line.

Wildcard player
We have Sellers. When used is a playmaker and can make this offense roll like any elite offense in the league.

What is the problem?

[Lavar703]

I cant agree with any of this, Tom Brady is a three time superbowl champion, Campbell shouldnt even be spoken in the same breath. Sammie Morris, Laurence Maroney and Kevin Faulk have all been much better this year than our RBs. Chris Cooley is a wonderful TE, but Ben Watson has 4.3 speed as a TE and thats remarkable. And our OL is nowhere near theres because of injuries, were not the Patriots on offense, nothing close. Now if you bring defense into this, were leaps and bounds better, the skins have the best D in the NFL by far.

[skinsfan45]

By the way, the Patriots just beat down the Cowboys 47 - 27 scoring with 19 seconds left in the game. That's how you play the game!! You deject teams so the next team you play knows you mean business. They just showed the "original 81" sitting quietly on the bench. Just lovely. Nothing like giving a team a humble pie. Anyway, on to my subject:

Our players are just as talented, if not more than the Patriots or the Colts. What's the problem. For instance:

QB
Brady vs Campbell - Both tough. Brady is better. Point blank. But Campbell runs the offense well.

RB
We have a better RB (if he can hold on to the ball).

WR
Even (if we can catch the ball.) Randy Moss is a beast though.

TE
We have a better TE

OL
Until the injuries, we have an even if not better line.

Wildcard player
We have Sellers. When used is a playmaker and can make this offense roll like any elite offense in the league.

What is the problem?
i believe the difference are those "ifs" u just used

[SpicyMcHaggis]

By the way, the Patriots just beat down the Cowboys 47 - 27 scoring with 19 seconds left in the game. That's how you play the game!! You deject teams so the next team you play knows you mean business. They just showed the "original 81" sitting quietly on the bench. Just lovely. Nothing like giving a team a humble pie. Anyway, on to my subject:

Our players are just as talented, if not more than the Patriots or the Colts. What's the problem. For instance:

QB
Brady vs Campbell - Both tough. Brady is better. Point blank. But Campbell runs the offense well.

RB
We have a better RB (if he can hold on to the ball).

WR
Even (if we can catch the ball.) Randy Moss is a beast though.

TE
We have a better TE

OL
Until the injuries, we have an even if not better line.

Wildcard player
We have Sellers. When used is a playmaker and can make this offense roll like any elite offense in the league.

What is the problem?

rotflmao

[Lavar703]

rotflmao

I think you put it perfectly LOL

[FunBunch5]

I cant agree with any of this, Tom Brady is a three time superbowl champion, Campbell shouldnt even be spoken in the same breath. Sammie Morris, Laurence Maroney and Kevin Faulk have all been much better this year than our RBs. Chris Cooley is a wonderful TE, but Ben Watson has 4.3 speed as a TE and thats remarkable. And our OL is nowhere near theres because of injuries, were not the Patriots on offense, nothing close. Now if you bring defense into this, were leaps and bounds better, the skins have the best D in the NFL by far.

I will go one step further, even with healthy receivers the Skins receivers can't hold a candle to Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth and Wes Welker. This year I could argue either one of those three are better than our best receiver (maybe I am exaggerating, because I am still so *censored* that Santana personally handed the Packers the game)

Additionally, I think the Patriots defense is better than ours. The D has played well these last two weeks because we haven't played a balanced offense. I have a feeling as soon as we come across a team that can run the ball and has a decent passing game our defense will be exposed. IMO teams can run on the Skins, but to date nobody has committed to the run.

[American Soldier]

I cant agree with any of this, Tom Brady is a three time superbowl champion, Campbell shouldnt even be spoken in the same breath. Sammie Morris, Laurence Maroney and Kevin Faulk have all been much better this year than our RBs. Chris Cooley is a wonderful TE, but Ben Watson has 4.3 speed as a TE and thats remarkable. And our OL is nowhere near theres because of injuries, were not the Patriots on offense, nothing close. Now if you bring defense into this, were leaps and bounds better, the skins have the best D in the NFL by far.

I'm talking about talent.

The fact that Brady has won superbowl rings has nothing to do with his performance today. Joe Gibbs has three super bowl rings. He is better and without him, I'm pretty sure the Patiots offense would be ok at best.

You're right about production from the Patiots RB over ours. Again, none of those running backs are as talented as CP - are they?

Again, What is the problem? I've mentioned the OL injuries and I know our defense is better. The difference I see is that we have far to many flat games on offense. The defense has showed up every game this year. The offense hasn't. The Patiots offense shows up every game. Hell the team shows up every game.

What's the problem?!!

[akhhorus]

I'm talking about talent.

The fact that Brady has won superbowl rings has nothing to do with his performance today. Joe Gibbs has three super bowl rings. He is better and without him, I'm pretty sure the Patiots offense would be ok at best.

You're right about production from the Patiots RB over ours. Again, none of those running backs are as talented as CP - are they?

Again, What is the problem? I've mentioned the OL injuries and I know our defense is better. The difference I see is that we have far to many flat games on offense. The defense has showed up every game this year. The offense hasn't. The Patiots offense shows up every game. Hell the team shows up every game.

What's the problem?!!

Talking about talent, we're still far behind the Patriots offense in every category. They've scored 250 points. We've scored 115.

[CNYSkinFan]

QB Brady far superior to campbell and possibly any other QB active or nopt.

RB Pound for pound I would take Maroney over Portis. They also have incredible depth in Morris and Faulk

WR No way is this even closs Randy Moss, Welker, and Stallworth are far superior then Santana Moss, Randle El, and Thrash....even if we are at the top of our game, which all seem to be in a funk

TE Is about even. Cooley may be a better receiver then Watson but Brady and Watson are like having extra oline out there in the run game.

Oline r u kidding me? Even if we are healthy this is not even remotely close.

The difference between us and the pats is immeasurable...not even close

[Lavar703]

I will go one step further, even with healthy receivers the Skins receivers can't hold a candle to Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth and Wes Welker. This year I could argue either one of those three are better than our best receiver (maybe I am exaggerating, because I am still so *censored* that Santana personally handed the Packers the game)

Additionally, I think the Patriots defense is better than ours. The D has played well these last two weeks because we haven't played a balanced offense. I have a feeling as soon as we come across a team that can run the ball and has a decent passing game our defense will be exposed. IMO teams can run on the Skins, but to date nobody has committed to the run.

I cant agree with you there, I think theres a reason this team has not been tested on the ground, and it has to do with how good it is. The LB are too fast and Griffen and Montgomery are alot better than peopel know, we have played two really good offenses in the last two weeks and shut them both down, thats not a coincidence.

[shally]

Talking about talent, we're still far behind the Patriots offense in every category. They've scored 250 points. We've scored 115.

we arent even close. all across the board

the last times i have seen a team as impressive as the pats is the green bay packers under lombardi. they were so deep that guys like dave robinson and anderson and crutcher had to stay on the bench for years because the guys playing ahead of them were so good

or the pittsburgh steelers during their hey days

in the age of the cap and free agency it is hard to imagine a better team than the pats right now

[Lavar703]

QB Brady far superior to campbell and possibly any other QB active or nopt.

RB Pound for pound I would take Maroney over Portis. They also have incredible depth in Morris and Faulk

WR No way is this even closs Randy Moss, Welker, and Stallworth are far superior then Santana Moss, Randle El, and Thrash....even if we are at the top of our game, which all seem to be in a funk

TE Is about even. Cooley may be a better receiver then Watson but Brady and Watson are like having extra oline out there in the run game.

Oline r u kidding me? Even if we are healthy this is not even remotely close.

The difference between us and the pats is immeasurable...not even close

Which leads you to wonder why we didnt contact the Raiders about Moss

[jaylen]

O line and Skill players are all better for those teams. Pretty simple. I think JC is headed in the right direction but has a few big steps to take before he's near their class as qb's.

Brady and Peyton are alltime greats.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I'm talking about talent.

The fact that Brady has won superbowl rings has nothing to do with his performance today. Joe Gibbs has three super bowl rings. He is better and without him, I'm pretty sure the Patiots offense would be ok at best.

You're right about production from the Patiots RB over ours. Again, none of those running backs are as talented as CP - are they?

Again, What is the problem? I've mentioned the OL injuries and I know our defense is better. The difference I see is that we have far to many flat games on offense. The defense has showed up every game this year. The offense hasn't. The Patiots offense shows up every game. Hell the team shows up every game.

What's the problem?!!
Ok..talent wise: how does their #3 receiver, either Welker or Stallworth, compare to our #3 receiver (if we even have one)?

Do you realize how much difference there is between Tom Brady and Jason Campbell? Brady has now passed for almost 1800 yards, 21 TDs, and 2 INTs. That is insane.

As for the running backs, ours had better start proving they are that good, because so far, Sammy Morris is having a better year than any of our guys. And Betts has been horrible.

I don't understand how you can even try to compare a unit that has tied an NFL record for scoring at least 34 points in its first 6 games to a unit that has scored 101 points in 5 games, and just once has scored more than 20.

[Lavar703]

we arent even close. all across the board

the last times i have seen a team as impressive as the pats is the green bay packers under lombardi. they were so deep that guys like dave robinson and anderson and crutcher had to stay on the bench for years because the guys playing ahead of them were so good

or the pittsburgh steelers during their hey days

in the age of the cap and free agency it is hard to imagine a better team than the pats right now

Simply put, there offense is amazing

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Which leads you to wonder why we didnt contact the Raiders about Moss

Because he wanted to go to a winning team.

[Lavar703]

Because he wanted to go to a winning team.

I guess that will do it LOL

[Biggie]

You know, we are playing the Patriots in two weeks. You can get a first hand look at what sets these two teams apart then.

[American Soldier]

QB Brady far superior to campbell and possibly any other QB active or nopt.

RB Pound for pound I would take Maroney over Portis. They also have incredible depth in Morris and Faulk

WR No way is this even closs Randy Moss, Welker, and Stallworth are far superior then Santana Moss, Randle El, and Thrash....even if we are at the top of our game, which all seem to be in a funk

TE Is about even. Cooley may be a better receiver then Watson but Brady and Watson are like having extra oline out there in the run game.

Oline r u kidding me? Even if we are healthy this is not even remotely close.

The difference between us and the pats is immeasurable...not even close

So what you're saying is there's no need to think we'll win two sunday's from now. Are you saying we're just a tier three team?

[hail2skins]

Some things are better left not said/posted.

[Lavar703]

So what you're saying is there's no need to think we'll win two sunday's from now. Are you saying we're just a tier three team?

The only reason we have to look forward to playing the Pats is, it will showcase just how good are defense is, but we are in no way in the same league as the Pats, Sorry

[shally]

Simply put, there offense is amazing

it all starts with brady.. everyone knows that.. but put him behind our o line, throwing to our receivers (ahem, caldwell) and with our runners and the results would be far different.. campbell cannot be faulted for all the drops and fumbles

[Skinz4lyfe]

The only reason we have to look forward to playing the Pats is, it will showcase just how good are defense is, but we are in no way in the same league as the Pats, Sorry

It is unlikely that we will beat the Pats and nothing that we've seen says otherwise. They are better all across the board. Hopefully they'll be looking forward to the Colts game after us. And just think, they still don't have Richard Seymour.

[CNYSkinFan]

So what you're saying is there's no need to think we'll win two sunday's from now. Are you saying we're just a tier three team?
yes. I will still watch and cheer but if we win against NE I will happily say I am wrong.

I don't have to say we are a third tier team...we show it on Sundays

[American Soldier]

I'm not comparing the Pats and Skins as a team. I'm comparing player for player. As I see it, there is not much of a drop off besides QB. But Campbell has shown himself to be a good QB. In time he'll put the ball where it needs to be consistently like Brady. But still, there's something I can't put my finger on with this team.

CP said this a couple days ago - why are other team's WR getting "wide open"?
Is it really Campbell? We have the weapons, right?

What is the problem.

Anyone.

[shally]

yes. I will still watch and cheer but if we win against NE I will happily say I am wrong.

I don't have to say we are a third tier team...we show it on Sundays

sadly, i totally agree with you

it is not winning against the pats that is in question, it is winning against teams like tampa, the cowboys, the cards and giants... hard to see us being favored over many teams the rest of the way..

[smoak]

Is this really a thread??

[shally]

I'm not comparing the Pats and Skins as a team. I'm comparing player for player. As I see it, there is not much of a drop off besides QB. But Campbell has shown himself to be a good QB. In time he'll put the ball where it needs to be consistently like Brady. But still, there's something I can't put my finger on with this team.

again, man for man, you are kidding yourself if you think we match up against the pats.. there is so much less talent at wideout for us, that is just the beginning..
the pat o line is young and very physical. their runners do NOT fumble and run through defenses.
we are not close...

[akhhorus]

I'm not comparing the Pats and Skins as a team. I'm comparing player for player. As I see it, there is not much of a drop off besides QB. But Campbell has shown himself to be a good QB. In time he'll put the ball where it needs to be consistently like Brady. But still, there's something I can't put my finger on with this team.

There is major drop off between the Skins and Pats at every position--especially QB. And Campbell might have potential, but he's not even in the same league as Brady is.

[CNYSkinFan]

I'm not comparing the Pats and Skins as a team. I'm comparing player for player. As I see it, there is not much of a drop off besides QB. But Campbell has shown himself to be a good QB. In time he'll put the ball where it needs to be consistently like Brady. But still, there's something I can't put my finger on with this team.

your first problem is that you think that there is not a difference between the NE players and ours. EVERY position man for man they are at least two steps above our players. They are ripping through the league like a madden team. And they have confidence and a will to tin on top of it.

To even compare it is ludicrous

[American Soldier]

OK.

Close the thread. I agree that the Pats are a much better team, player for player than the Skins.

I was just starting the fire again. This team is just not good yet.

One more question. Do you think they would be good if Belicheck was coach?

[hail2skins]

I just don't get it.

[sinskin]

lol, They just man handled Dallas. Scoring in the last seconds of the game with an already big lead is what WE here all want to see and arent getting. Tom Brady is playing like a machine out of his mind. His stats are simply put unheard of. Moss dropped a tough catch in their game today and the announcer said thats his first drop of the season.....are you kidding me!

Wes welker was a third WR in St. Louis and somehow, like every other player New England picks up, is playing like a #1. (and hes still a #3) that tell you anything about the starting 2?

The comparison is, I'm sorry, but laughable at this point in time....although in light of the above statement.... maybe your answer is coaching. Belichek simply GETS IT DONE on his end...how? Dont know....Gibbs is my guy but you have to ask how New England drags no name players in and gets 150% from them game after game.

[akhhorus]

OK.

Close the thread. I agree that the Pats are a much better team, player for player than the Skins.

I was just starting the fire again. This team is just not good yet.

One more question. Do you think they would be good if Belicheck was coach?


Belicheck has nothing to do with the offense.

[hail2skins]

Belicheck has nothing to do with the offense.
Yes he does

[shally]

lol, They just man handled Dallas. Scoring in the last seconds of the game with an already big lead is what WE here all want to see and arent getting. Tom Brady is playing like a machine out of his mind. His stats are simply put unheard of. Moss dropped a tough catch in their game today and the announcer said thats his first drop of the season.....are you kidding me!

Wes welker was a third WR in St. Louis and somehow, like every other player New England picks up, is playing like a #1. (and hes still a #3) that tell you anything about the starting 2?

The comparison is, I'm sorry, but laughable at this point in time....although in light of the above statement.... maybe your answer is coaching. Belichek simply GETS IT DONE on his end...how? Dont know....Gibbs is my guy but you have to ask how New England drags no name players in and gets 150% from them game after game.

welker came from miami

[sinskin]

welker came from miami

yea like I said the St. Louis Dolphins:smash:

[American Soldier]

lol, They just man handled Dallas. Scoring in the last seconds of the game with an already big lead is what WE here all want to see and arent getting. Tom Brady is playing like a machine out of his mind. His stats are simply put unheard of. Moss dropped a tough catch in their game today and the announcer said thats his first drop of the season.....are you kidding me!

Wes welker was a third WR in St. Louis and somehow, like every other player New England picks up, is playing like a #1. (and hes still a #3) that tell you anything about the starting 2?

The comparison is, I'm sorry, but laughable at this point in time....although in light of the above statement.... maybe your answer is coaching. Belichek simply GETS IT DONE on his end...how? Dont know....Gibbs is my guy but you have to ask how New England drags no name players in and gets 150% from them game after game.

At last!!! The answer to my question - Coaching. The problem is the coaching. Last week we get a complete game. Every player performd up to potential. The chip was on every players shoulder from the Giant's loss. The difference - Belicheck keeps the chip on after wins. Joe gives his players the day off. Let downs is the coaches fault. Drops and fumbles are the players fault on the field. But it's due to focus which the coaches are responsible for.

[hail2skins]

At last!!! The answer to my question - Coaching. The problem is the coaching. Last week we get a complete game. Every player performd up to potential. The chip was on every players shoulder from the Giant's loss. The difference - Belicheck keeps the chip on after wins. Joe gives his players the day off. Let downs is the coaches fault. Drops and fumbles are the players fault on the field. But it's due to focus which the coaches are responsible for.This is getting idiotic. Did the coaches drop balls today? Did the coaches fumble balls today? Get a freaking grip.

[American Soldier]

This is getting idiotic. Did the coaches drop balls today? Did the coaches fumble balls today? Get a freaking grip.

Can you read?

[smoak]

This is getting idiotic. Did the coaches drop balls today? Did the coaches fumble balls today? Get a freaking grip.

That is exactly how I feel.

[skinsfan45]

At last!!! The answer to my question - Coaching. The problem is the coaching. Last week we get a complete game. Every player performd up to potential. The chip was on every players shoulder from the Giant's loss. The difference - Belicheck keeps the chip on after wins. Joe gives his players the day off. Let downs is the coaches fault. Drops and fumbles are the players fault on the field. But it's due to focus which the coaches are responsible for.
r u speaking about real football or madden? cause if u r talking about the Skins game on the field.... no that can't be, u must be talking about madden

[CNYSkinFan]

this thread makes baby jesus cry

[redskin_rich]

I think every other team in the league has to wonder what the Patriots have that they don't. Indy is the only team that comes close and what is the common denominator? Yeah, a HOF QB. Indy doesn't have the defense that the Pats have though and now that the Pats have an arsenal of WR's that is equal to Indy's, the Pats are the team to beat.

There is only two ways to beat the Pats right now.
1. Beat them in a scoring duel, which is nearly impossible for every team but the Colts.
2. Take out Brady. This is the only way the rest of the NFL can achieve victory over NE. I'm not necessarily saying that Brady has to be knocked out of the game but he absolutely has to be neutralized somehow.

Good luck.

[SkinFan in BigD]

i'll actually give you a serious answer.

first of all, Tom Brady is light years ahead of Campbell. that's 80% of it. he is more accurate, he knows when to just throw it away and live to play another down, and he is a great clutch player. the playcalling and the ability to believe in the playcalling is another. they like to spread, we don't, so there is almost no chance we can score as much as them. and our O-line sucks with all these injuries. Stephen Heyer looked like he took lessons from William justice out there. it was awful. Wade was no better, maybe he should go back to playing quarterback:eek:

[hail2skins]

Can you read?I can read, can you comprehend? You're masking this under Coaching saying the coaches should keep a chip on the player's shoulders. Guess what, they played with a chip, they just played poorly. Next.

Get a grip and actually understand what you're posting.

[American Soldier]

this thread makes baby jesus cry

Go to sleep.
:guillo:

[hail2skins]

Go to sleep.
:guillo:Do I need to tell you where to go?

[Biggie]

AS, you're flirting with bannage. No need to insult other members.

[akhhorus]

this thread makes baby jesus cry

Or makes the Baby Jesus get a handgun lol.

[hail2skins]

AS, you're flirting with bannage. No need to insult other members.Don't warn him Biggie, he's been here long enough.

[smoak]

this thread makes baby jesus cry

:lol1:

This thread put baby jesus in a blender and hit "puree".

[smoak]

Go to sleep.
:guillo:

I personally do not appreciate the tone of your reply and use of the guillotine smiley in this manner. What honestly did you expect when you start a thread comparing the two best offenses in football to a struggling Redskins team? It is pointless at best (and I am trying to be kind as not to get banned myself).

CNY made a joke which I would think is certainly welcomed after such a tough loss.

[hail2skins]

I personally do not appreciate the tone of your reply and use of the guillotine smiley in this manner. What honestly did you expect when you start a thread comparing the two best offenses in football to a struggling Redskins team? It is pointless at best (and I am trying to be kind as not to get banned myself).

CNY made a joke which I would think is certainly welcomed after such a tough loss.
He's a <<<censored by Spence >>> that doesn't know any better.

[Biggie]

:lol1:

This thread put baby jesus in a blender and hit "puree".
lol, I think we might be overdoing it here.

[Meatsnack]

What is the difference between our offense and Indy/NE? Production.

[Biggie]

What is the difference between our offense and Indy/NE? Production.

And, you know, having Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne/Randy Moss/Donte' Stallworth/Wes Welker vs. the King of the Drops, Santana Moss.

[LuvSkins17]

Shhhhh..... Baby Jesus is fast asleep again....

we don't want him to :cry:



It must me late. You guys are wild...

go skins...

[smoak]

And, you know, having Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne/Randy Moss/Donte' Stallworth/Wes Welker vs. the King of the Drops, Santana Moss.

Bull. Until the past 5 games, Moss was worthy of being right there with those guys. Welker is a role player who benefits from the other Moss who decided to show up this season. Harrison is great. Wayne is great. Santana is great, but struggling this year. Stallworth is an underachiever.

As I've said, JC needs to force the issue to Moss next game.

[akhhorus]

Bull. Until the past 5 games, Moss was worthy of being right there with those guys. Welker is a role player who benefits from the other Moss who decided to show up this season. Harrison is great. Wayne is great. Santana is great, but struggling this year. Stallworth is an underachiever.

As I've said, JC needs to force the issue to Moss next game.

Welker had nearly 700 yards receiving(and 1400 yards returning) last year for the woeful Dolphins. He's a solid WR. I'll take Stallworth or Welker over either ARE or Lloyd. Moss is a very good player, but isn't in the same airs as Randy Moss(when focused).

[smoak]

Welker had nearly 700 yards receiving(and 1400 yards returning) last year for the woeful Dolphins. He's a solid WR. I'll take Stallworth or Welker over either ARE or Lloyd. Moss is a very good player, but isn't in the same airs as Randy Moss(when focused).

I agree, but the key is the phrase, "when focused". (Randy) Moss had the physical ability to be the greatest of all time, but lacked 1/100th of the heart and committment of Jerry Rice.

I didn't mean to slight Welker by calling him a role player.... I really, really like the guy, but he is a really solid #3 slot type WR. We have that already and need a big 6'3+ target opposite Moss.

Santana is a great player, but something is wrong this year and I have no idea what? The lingering injuries are one thing, but he seems like he accidently boarded his favorite puppy at Mike Vick's kennel???

[CarMike]

By the way, the Patriots just beat down the Cowboys 47 - 27 scoring with 19 seconds left in the game. That's how you play the game!! You deject teams so the next team you play knows you mean business. They just showed the "original 81" sitting quietly on the bench. Just lovely. Nothing like giving a team a humble pie. Anyway, on to my subject:

Our players are just as talented, if not more than the Patriots or the Colts. What's the problem. For instance:

QB
Brady vs Campbell - Both tough. Brady is better. Point blank. But Campbell runs the offense well.

RB
We have a better RB (if he can hold on to the ball).

WR
Even (if we can catch the ball.) Randy Moss is a beast though.

TE
We have a better TE

OL
Until the injuries, we have an even if not better line.

Wildcard player
We have Sellers. When used is a playmaker and can make this offense roll like any elite offense in the league.

What is the problem?
Dude, please tell me this thread was meant to have a side of sarcasm?!?

[akhhorus]

I agree, but the key is the phrase, "when focused". (Randy) Moss had the physical ability to be the greatest of all time, but lacked 1/100th of the heart and committment of Jerry Rice.

I didn't mean to slight Welker by calling him a role player.... I really, really like the guy, but he is a really solid #3 slot type WR. We have that already and need a big 6'3+ target opposite Moss.

Santana is a great player, but something is wrong this year and I have no idea what? The lingering injuries are one thing, but he seems like he accidently boarded his favorite puppy at Mike Vick's kennel???

When Moss is on a dog of a team, he's bored and doesn't play hard. When the team is a contender, there isn't a harder worker out there.

[skinsfan45]

:lol1:

This thread put baby jesus in a blender and hit "puree".
we've suffered enough already today, please don't hurt baby jesus

[CarMike]

When Moss is on a dog of a team, he's bored and doesn't play hard. When the team is a contender, there isn't a harder worker out there.

Couldn't agree more. Favre new this as well. It's why he was so upset with his FO for not signing him.

[colkurtz]

This is a crazy thread. Brady is a future HOF QB and certainly in line to be one of the greatest QB's OF ALL TIME.

The Pats are above the Redskins at many positions and are just a consistent, grinding, scoring machine. They could be going for one of the greatest seasons of all time.

The only thing that is going to derail NE is Tom Brady getting hurt. Even with the backup they would be good.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Is this really a thread??
we're posting in it, so i guess it is.....:doh: *smh*

[Meatsnack]

And, you know, having Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne/Randy Moss/Donte' Stallworth/Wes Welker vs. the King of the Drops, Santana Moss.

I see our guys open plenty and the ball being delivered in catchable spots. Our guys just don't "clinch" the deal. And,the NE offense has been very good the last several years, so the Moss/Stallworth/Welker thing only applies for the last 6 games.

Santana Moss and Marvin Harrison could steal each other's clothes, but Marvin catches the damned ball and stays healthy. Looking at the numbers, per NFL.com only 2 things really stand out: Randy Moss's numbers, esp. TDs, and the fact that we don't throw to wideouts in the redzone. The implied tendency to be conservative here is troubling.

Randy Moss: 40 catches for 610 yards and 8 TDs

The rest group out (note the extra game the other wideouts have played), the all important TD numbers aside:

Marvin Harrison:17 catches for 231 yards and a TD
Santana Moss: 12 catches for 199 and no TD
Stallworth: 19 catches for 316 yards and 2 TDs

Reggie Wayne: 28 catches for 369 yards and 4 TDs
A. Randel El: 20 catches for 368 and no TD
Wes Welker: 38 catches for 386 and 3 TDs

and for fun:

Chris Cooley: 19 catches for 185 and 4 TDs
Dallas Clark: 26 catches for 300 yards and 5 TDs
Ben Watson: 18 catches for 22 and 5 TDs

I can't find an official NFL sta for drops but if we visit our friends at NFL outsiders they have a stat called "catch%" which is all incomplete passes directed ata receiver - that is a drop and an overthrow are equal - and we see:

Randy Moss: 81%
Reggie Wayne: 68%
A. Randel El: 72%
W. Welker: 75%
D. Stallworth: 63%
M. Harrison: 63%
S. Moss: 29%

Santana is and has been a trainwreck all season. It is probably a good thing he took himself out.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Bull. Until the past 5 games, Moss was worthy of being right there with those guys. Welker is a role player who benefits from the other Moss who decided to show up this season. Harrison is great. Wayne is great. Santana is great, but struggling this year. Stallworth is an underachiever.

As I've said, JC needs to force the issue to Moss next game.
Smoak, as much as I like Santana, I'm gonna have to strongly disagree.
Look at his production. He has had 3 100 yard games in the last 2 seasons (21 games), and the only really great one he had was against the Jags last year. In his whole career, he has only had one great year (2005) and one very good one (2003). All the rest varies from pretty good (2004) to horrible (this year).
I think you can compare him favorably to Welker and Stallworth, but Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne, and especially Marvin Harrison are just out of his league. Harrison is probably in the top five of best receivers of all time.

[smoak]

When Moss is on a dog of a team, he's bored and doesn't play hard. When the team is a contender, there isn't a harder worker out there.

So who makes the determinination when his team is good or not? Does god come down and say "Randy you don't have to play hard today b/c your team is screwed either way"?

Its bull (IMO) b/c he took plays off on the Vikings. Wait until he faces a little adversity in NE...

But again, I think physically speaking he is the best I've ever seen. It makes it all the more maddening that he plays when he want and gets in trouble off the field. Aside from dallass, there is no other team I would least want to see win it all.

[smoak]

Smoak, as much as I like Santana, I'm gonna have to strongly disagree.
Look at his production. He has had 3 100 yard games in the last 2 seasons (21 games), and the only really great one he had was against the Jags last year. In his whole career, he has only had one great year (2005) and one very good one (2003). All the rest varies from pretty good (2004) to horrible (this year).
I think you can compare him favorably to Welker and Stallworth, but Randy Moss, Reggie Wayne, and especially Marvin Harrison are just out of his league. Harrison is probably in the top five of best receivers of all time.

I don't disagree per se, but I am looking at ability. All those guy play on teams with multiple options and HOF QBs whereas Santana has played on a team with a revolving door at QB and Cooley as the only other option. Put Santana on the Colts and don't you think he'll post similar numbers? All I am saying is that Santana is good enough to mentioned in the group of WRs, but something is HORRIBLY wrong with him this season.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I don't disagree per se, but I am looking at ability. All those guy play on teams with multiple options and HOF QBs whereas Santana has played on a team with a revolving door at QB and Cooley as the only other option. Put Santana on the Colts and don't you think he'll post similar numbers? All I am saying is that Santana is good enough to mentioned in the group of WRs, but something is HORRIBLY wrong with him this season.
He definitely is playing in vastly inferior conditions. That is true (although you could make a point that Harrison and Wayne are talking away from each other's numbers, as are Stallworth and Welker from Moss's). And, especially last year, he wasn't 100% physically (although it remains to be seen if he is a player that can be counted on for at least 14-15 games of full health per season). But, you are completely right, this year he has been just BAD. I'm guessing he has almost as many drops as he has catches, and he has been pretty much a non-factor in every game so far.
All this is why I mentioned (can't remember in which thread) that at the end of the season, the Skins will have to really decide if Santana is the #1 receiver they are looking for.

[smoak]

He definitely is playing in vastly inferior conditions. That is true (although you could make a point that Harrison and Wayne are talking away from each other's numbers, as are Stallworth and Welker from Moss's). And, especially last year, he wasn't 100% physically (although it remains to be seen if he is a player that can be counted on for at least 14-15 games of full health per season). But, you are completely right, this year he has been just BAD. I'm guessing he has almost as many drops as he has catches, and he has been pretty much a non-factor in every game so far.
All this is why I mentioned (can't remember in which thread) that at the end of the season, the Skins will have to really decide if Santana is the #1 receiver they are looking for.

Amen. Campbell needs to pin that midget to a wall and remind him that he is Santana "CBS* Moss. No matter where you rank him I think only a fool would say he doesn't have explosive talent to stretch the field and that he is the best horse we have in the stable. We need Moss to get where I think this team is capable so I hope JC slaps some sense into and then throws his way 15 times.

[CarMike]

While we're at it, we can add Sellers in there as well. He dropped an easy pass that would have kept a drive going in the 4th quarter. It wasn't only the WR's.

[JsMaViSd]

maybe if Campbell had control over this offense like Brady has his, and the coaches take there tit away from Campbell's mouth and let Campbell throw his game for once, then maybe we could do a comparison from the QB's..

But were not ever gonna put numbers up like Brady until then. Because there scared to let Campbell throw what he wants to throw and they want to be conservative about everything and LET teams be in every game with us

[csquared]

:danger: Its not Aprill fools day is it??

[Keino]

2 Major differences that I can see:

1. Experienced QB's who deliver the ball like a loaf of bread to the bread basket.

2. Game/Clock Management is not an issue.

[American Soldier]

Dude, please tell me this thread was meant to have a side of sarcasm?!?

Finally, someone that understands the firebuilder!!

Every time we lose a game, I vent my spleen about our coaching. Occasionally, I'll blast a player or the entire team (We rarely have all 53 players with their head in the game). Quite a few of the threadsters here go off on me.

I was being sarcastic about our talent and the Patriots. The fact is, this team is like a bi-polar ugly person. Sometimes they can get by, by being nice or being around other ugly people. Other times.....well let's just say it's not pretty. But the fact still remains, they're still ugly. The funny thing about this whole thread is that the guys that ripped me for comparing the Pats to this team also took it a step further by explaining themselves how bad our team can be. Which is exactly what I was hoping. After a big win, you'll rarely hear from me because I know right around the corner is a Greenbay loss. In other words, they helped my case, which is our head coach doesn't know how to maintain this teams focus from week to week. Our players lose focus from week to week. And we're just not a good team.
From Mike Sellers being under used, to all the fumbles and drops. Good teams get over injuries. Good teams show up. Good coaching get's that done.

[akhhorus]

Finally, someone that understands the firebuilder!!

Every time we lose a game, I vent my spleen about our coaching. Occasionally, I'll blast a player or the entire team (We rarely have all 53 players with their head in the game). Quite a few of the threadsters here go off on me.

I was being sarcastic about our talent and the Patriots. The fact is, this team is like a bi-polar ugly person. Sometimes they can get by, by being nice or being around other ugly people. Other times.....well let's just say it's not pretty. But the fact still remains, they're still ugly. The funny thing about this whole thread is that the guys that ripped me for comparing the Pats to this team also took it a step further by explaining themselves how bad our team can be. Which is exactly what I was hoping. After a big win, you'll rarely hear from me because I know right around the corner is a Greenbay loss. In other words, they helped my case, which is our head coach doesn't know how to maintain this teams focus from week to week. Our players lose focus from week to week. And we're just not a good team.
From Mike Sellers being under used, to all the fumbles and drops. Good teams get over injuries. Good teams show up. Good coaching get's that done.

Considering your defensiveness when criticized and challenging anyone to actually discuss the topic, I cannot believe that you were being sarcastic with this thread when you wrote it.

[dj_stouty]

Is this a trick question?

[American Soldier]

Considering your defensiveness when criticized and challenging anyone to actually discuss the topic, I cannot believe that you were being sarcastic with this thread when you wrote it.

Sometime sarcasm does get you somewhere. What's wrong with starting a sarcastic thread.

Ok, this team sucks alot more than they don't. How's that for truth?

[akhhorus]

Sometime sarcasm does get you somewhere. What's wrong with starting a sarcastic thread.


Nothing. This wasn't one though until you saw that absolutely no one supported your thesis and were looking for an out.

[sfskins]

making comparisons between us and the Patriots? Are you kidding?

all the Skins should be focused on are NFC opponents - it's a weak conference and if we beat the teams we should - including the packers - we might make the playoffs. We have Dallas twice, a much improved iggles team, and a Gints team that has done nothing but take our lunch money during Gibbs II - their D line will have a field day with our O line if we don't get it together soon.

When your offense can only manage under 20 points, it doesn't matter how good your D is. Once again, poor clock management ruins the day and leaves us high and dry. We are squandering the efforts of a great young QB with bad play calling, out of shape running backs and wide receivers.

Right now all the skins should worry are some guys called edge, anquan and larry. Not to mention an O-line coached by you know who.

[American Soldier]

Nothing. This wasn't one though until you saw that absolutely no one supported your thesis and were looking for an out.

That's the way you operate. I've always stuck to my guns. I may have given up trying to change someone else's mind (which is a losing battle in itself), but I've never backed off my own opinion. I don't have a problem getting a fact that dismantles my original opinion. But I don't owe you jack!! Why in the world would I need to change on a blog? You need to get a life. Most times people that say things like the garbage you're writing probably has some history doing it themselves. That's all I've got to say about that. You were talking this same crap last year.

The bottom line is I sarcastically said the team was as talented as the Patriots. When have you ever heard the firebuilder be completely positive about the skins? Never.
I ask a sarcastic question and you and few others yell that the Skins players can't hold a candle to the Pats. Again you took it a step further by saying the Skins players weren't even close.

Hello!! McFly!!!

What have I been saying all along about this team. I've even been banned for cussing them out.

So. it's already been establish that this team is not good. So, I ask the question now (if I haven't already ask), if the Patriot's coaching staff was here in DC would the Skins be a better team or do we have a good coach and bad players?

[akhhorus]

That's the way you operate. I've always stuck to my guns. I may have given up trying to change someone else's mind (which is a losing battle in itself), but I've never backed off my own opinion. I don't have a problem getting a fact that dismantles my original opinion. But I don't owe you jack!! Why in the world would I need to change on a blog? You need to get a life. Most times people that say things like the garbage you're writing probably has some history doing it themselves. That's all I've got to say about that. You were talking this same crap last year.

huh? What are you talking about? You posted a thread comparing the Skins' offense favorably to the Pats' offense. When everyone who answered your post trashed your views, you became defensive and lashed out at people(and were warned by ownership to stop). Then this morning, you now decide you were being sarcastic, despite being irrationally defensive last night. I'm not the issue here, your post is.

The bottom line is I sarcastically said the team was as talented as the Patriots. When have you ever heard the firebuilder be completely positive about the skins? Never.

Considering how many times you say you're leaving or give up on the team, then do neither, you have zero credibility.

I ask a sarcastic question and you and few others yell that the Skins players can't hold a candle to the Pats. Again you took it a step further by saying the Skins players weren't even close.

Hello!! McFly!!!

It wasn't a question, nor was it sarcastic. Read your first response to the criticism, you cannot possibly say that you were being sarcastic when you started this thread.

[hail2skins]

That's the way you operate. I've always stuck to my guns. I may have given up trying to change someone else's mind (which is a losing battle in itself), but I've never backed off my own opinion. I don't have a problem getting a fact that dismantles my original opinion. But I don't owe you jack!! Why in the world would I need to change on a blog? You need to get a life. Most times people that say things like the garbage you're writing probably has some history doing it themselves. That's all I've got to say about that. You were talking this same crap last year.

The bottom line is I sarcastically said the team was as talented as the Patriots. When have you ever heard the firebuilder be completely positive about the skins? Never.
I ask a sarcastic question and you and few others yell that the Skins players can't hold a candle to the Pats. Again you took it a step further by saying the Skins players weren't even close.

Hello!! McFly!!!

What have I been saying all along about this team. I've even been banned for cussing them out.

So. it's already been establish that this team is not good. So, I ask the question now (if I haven't already ask), if the Patriot's coaching staff was here in DC would the Skins be a better team or do we have a good coach and bad players?
You need to watch your tone and stick to arguing the opinion and not attacking the person or you'll be banned again. This time it'll be permanent

[American Soldier]

huh? What are you talking about? You posted a thread comparing the Skins' offense favorably to the Pats' offense. When everyone who answered your post trashed your views, you became defensive and lashed out at people(and were warned by ownership to stop). Then this morning, you now decide you were being sarcastic, despite being irrationally defensive last night. I'm not the issue here, your post is.



Considering how many times you say you're leaving or give up on the team, then do neither, you have zero credibility.



It wasn't a question, nor was it sarcastic. Read your first response to the criticism, you cannot possibly say that you were being sarcastic when you started this thread.

I never lashed out at anyone but you. Last night, I went to sleep. If you and hailredskins weren't so buddy buddy on your BS opinions you might see the point of this thread.

Not to worry though. I'll ban myself. It's obvious that losers run this show. You just can't stand it when someone calls out :batangel: Gibbs or the team. You both have to be on crack to think I would honestly put this perpetual losing team in the same league as the Patriots. But yet again, Ack and Hail are the all knowing Skin fan of all times. You're able to decipher all thread in a single look.

I'm so scared of being banned, I don't know what to do!!! Oooooohhhhh.

[dj_stouty]

I never lashed out at anyone but you. Last night, I went to sleep. If you and hailredskins weren't so buddy buddy on your BS opinions you might see the point of this thread.

Not to worry though. I'll ban myself. It's obvious that losers run this show. You just can't stand it when someone calls out :batangel: Gibbs or the team. You both have to be on crack to think I would honestly put this perpetual losing team in the same league as the Patriots. But yet again, Ack and Hail are the all knowing Skin fan of all times. You're able to decipher all thread in a single look.

Don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out!

Drive safe.

[akhhorus]

I never lashed out at anyone but you.

Yes, you did.

Last night, I went to sleep. If you and hailredskins weren't so buddy buddy on your BS opinions you might see the point of this thread.

I've been banned here twice myself, so I'm hardly everyone's buddy among the owners.

Not to worry though. I'll ban myself. It's obvious that losers run this show. You just can't stand it when someone calls out :batangel: Gibbs or the team. You both have to be on crack to think I would honestly put this perpetual losing team in the same league as the Patriots. But yet again, Ack and Hail are the all knowing Skin fan of all times. You're able to decipher all thread in a single look.

I'm so scared of being banned, I don't know what to do!!! Oooooohhhhh.

We're not going to miss you.

[shally]

I never lashed out at anyone but you. Last night, I went to sleep. If you and hailredskins weren't so buddy buddy on your BS opinions you might see the point of this thread.

Not to worry though. I'll ban myself. It's obvious that losers run this show. You just can't stand it when someone calls out :batangel: Gibbs or the team. You both have to be on crack to think I would honestly put this perpetual losing team in the same league as the Patriots. But yet again, Ack and Hail are the all knowing Skin fan of all times. You're able to decipher all thread in a single look.

I'm so scared of being banned, I don't know what to do!!! Oooooohhhhh.

if you are not happy here, and you dont like the posters, and you feel you are not dealt with fairly, then why hang out here and waste your time and effort ?
there are lots of other sites, maybe another one would suit you better ?

[JsMaViSd]

is this kid 13?

[hogs86]

na na, na na na na, hay hay, goodbye.:tongue:

[csquared]

na na, na na na na, hay hay, goodbye.:tongue:

Boy that was mature.:rolleyes:

[hogs86]

Boy that was mature.:rolleyes:

Sense of humor is good for stress. Some may need it more then others.

[Battle Cat]

And, you know, having Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne/Randy Moss/Donte' Stallworth/Wes Welker vs. the King of the Drops, Santana Moss.
Those receivers have not spent most of their career with Pennington and Brunnell. It would be more in line to compare Randy Moss's numbers in Oakland when he had similar qb's and offense as what Santanna has had. The thread is in some points meant sarcastic but to me the underlying theme is for the amount of talent we have we are major under achievers. Also if you have a healthy offensive line Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen I will take that o line over Indy with rookie left tackle or the Pats. I will also take Clinton Portis over Sammy Morris and the Indy backup or Addai. Put Clinton Portis in Indy's offense he would have 1500 yards. Put Portis on NE where they are afraid of Brady and Moss he would run for days. Their qb's are far better I give you that but if Manning or Brady played with our team and the coaches wanted to shut it down and depend on the defense whenever we get a lead or play well in the first half and get blanked in the second half cant even score a field goal what kind of numbers would these guys have. Tight ends and wide receivers are a major difference as well. Talent wise I put R. Moss on another planet but after that this game aside S. Moss is right there with any of those guys. It is taking him more time to adjust to a guy that throws the ball really really hard after catching passes from Pennington and Brunnell but he will come around. Ben Watson and Dallas Clark are better than Cooley at catching the ball but I will take Cooley in run blocking so I guess that position is a wash. I am a big critic of G Williams and still think that he does not have the personal skills to be a head coach and pray that Snyder doesn't make him head coach but you take the Redskins defense and put it on a team with an offense that scores 34 points a game no way they give up as many points as NE. The defense is winning me over no way Patriots put up that many against us. We might not score but we wont give up near as many. Williams is playing the cover 2 that I have cursed because no one is beating it. This defense is right with the better teams. If the Redskins could put up 34 a game the Redskins would be flirting with 16-0 as well. P.S Don't forget to put the Steelers in the mix because when they get healthy they will be in the mix and San Diego is on the ropes but is not dead yet.

[skinsfan45]

is this kid 13?
no probably not, 13 year olds behave much better - he sounds like he came from ES - not that they are all like that, because they have some really knowledgeable and nice folks - but they are constantly invaded by posters like this:banhim:

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

What he wrote...

I never lashed out at anyone but you. Last night, I went to sleep. If you and hailredskins weren't so buddy buddy on your BS opinions you might see the point of this thread.

Not to worry though. I'll ban myself. It's obvious that losers run this show. You just can't stand it when someone calls out Gibbs or the team. You both have to be on crack to think I would honestly put this perpetual losing team in the same league as the Patriots. But yet again, Ack and Hail are the all knowing Skin fan of all times. You're able to decipher all thread in a single look.

I'm so scared of being banned, I don't know what to do!!! Oooooohhhhh.

What I saw



Bla, bla, bla....

I'll ban myself

Bla, bla, bla...


My reaction?

Finally!
:wacky::Pickle:

[WarEagle]

They should just play the theme from Jaws when the Patriots come out of the tunnel. For history's sake, maybe we need a "Can the Pats Go Undefeated" thread.

Here's a hilarious clip from the postgamer, when a local radio personality called "1920's Reporter Guy" asks questions to BB and Brady.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZTGJKnwIu8