4th and 2 from the 33

[JsMaViSd]

okay besides the fact that we showed no faith is Suisham kicking the 50yarder, which i think was a good call, Saunders said that Betts was supposed to run the route farther out but didnt..

so dont blame the playcalling on the play, blame the execution. Ive seen so many people already blame the call.

But seriously im tired of seeing Betts in on 4th down...WHHHHHHY

[SpicyMcHaggis]

okay besides the fact that we showed no faith is Suisham kicking the 50yarder, which i think was a good call, Saunders said that Betts was supposed to run the route farther out but didnt..

so dont blame the playcalling on the play, blame the execution. Ive seen so many people already blame the call.

But seriously im tired of seeing Betts in on 4th down...WHHHHHHY
I see no problem with either the decision to go for it (a 50 yarder in bad weather is a Vinatieri-only type kick), or the play call. What went wrong was that 1)Betts ran a shallow route, and 2)JC showed his inexperience by not waiting the extra second and going to McCardell who was wide open on the slant route about 7 yards downfield.
Aside from clock management, I don't think the coaches can be held responsible for this loss. I think it falls completely on the shoulders of the offensive players.

[Biggie]

Aside from clock management, I don't think the coaches can be held responsible for this loss. I think it falls completely on the shoulders of the offensive players.
There shouldn't have been any need for clock management in this game. If the players had executed, it would've probably been a three-possession game (If Moss catches the damn ball, if Portis doesn't fumble, etc.) by the end.

[CNYSkinFan]

No way you decide to kick the FG here. The weather alone would make that a bad decision.

I dont like the fact that Betts was in on 4th and 2 because it signaled to the defense we were not going to run it. Putting portis in freezes the linebackers inside.

Betts is a great backup back, but he is not interchangeable with Portis and when the game is on the line we need him in the ball game. That is why we pay him the big money.

But the playcall on 4th and 2 was fine, though we have an issue with running routes short of the first down marker and that needs to be stressed in camp and practice more.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

There shouldn't have been any need for clock management in this game. If the players had executed, it would've probably been a three-possession game (If Moss catches the damn ball, if Portis doesn't fumble, etc.) by the end.
True. But the mistsakes, week in and week out, remain.

[JsMaViSd]

No way you decide to kick the FG here. The weather alone would make that a bad decision.

I dont like the fact that Betts was in on 4th and 2 because it signaled to the defense we were not going to run it. Putting portis in freezes the linebackers inside.

Betts is a great backup back, but he is not interchangeable with Portis and when the game is on the line we need him in the ball game. That is why we pay him the big money.

But the playcall on 4th and 2 was fine, though we have an issue with running routes short of the first down marker and that needs to be stressed in camp and practice more.


this is exactly how i feel..

As soon as Campbell through that ball also, you could see the frustration from McCardell because he knew he was open and had a lot of room after to make a play

[nicefellow31]

No way you decide to kick the FG here. The weather alone would make that a bad decision.

I dont like the fact that Betts was in on 4th and 2 because it signaled to the defense we were not going to run it. Putting portis in freezes the linebackers inside.

Betts is a great backup back, but he is not interchangeable with Portis and when the game is on the line we need him in the ball game. That is why we pay him the big money.

But the playcall on 4th and 2 was fine, though we have an issue with running routes short of the first down marker and that needs to be stressed in camp and practice more.

I'm with you on this one. Portis has got to be the "money" guy with Betts being the backup. They are not interchangeable. Portis is the better back and to use a phrase from Matt Leinart and the rapper Eve, we need to "ride or die" with him.

Also, I get a good chuckle watching Betts attempts to pass block. Early in the game when Kampman was pushing Wade (who looked like he was wearing roller skates) back towards Campbell, Ladell attempted to "chip" him. He launched what looked like a flying shoulder block and missed everything.

[JsMaViSd]

I'm with you on this one. Portis has got to be the "money" guy with Betts being the backup. They are not interchangeable. Portis is the better back and to use a phrase from Matt Leinart and the rapper Eve, we need to "ride or die" with him.

Also, I get a good chuckle watching Betts attempts to pass block. Early in the game when Kampman was pushing Wade (who looked like he was wearing roller skates) back towards Campbell, Ladell attempted to "chip" him. He launched what looked like a flying shoulder block and missed everything.

i did see this also, and i laughed so hard lol

it looked like Cartwright jumping trying to defend a Randy Moss

[skinsfan36]

mccardell was open we didnt throw it to him im going to cry now

[Keino]

Here is a picture taken of our coaching staff during the 2nd time out to discuss what should have been discussed the timeout before:

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[smoak]

I see no problem with either the decision to go for it (a 50 yarder in bad weather is a Vinatieri-only type kick), or the play call. What went wrong was that 1)Betts ran a shallow route, and 2)JC showed his inexperience by not waiting the extra second and going to McCardell who was wide open on the slant route about 7 yards downfield.
Aside from clock management, I don't think the coaches can be held responsible for this loss. I think it falls completely on the shoulders of the offensive players.

Exactly how I feel except that I don NOT believe that clock management was even a 1% factor in the loss. We blew two timeouts here b/c for all intents and purposes, this was the game. Nobody knew Bret Favre would pull an idiot move and chuck up a duck. I really think the coaches made a great call and between Betts and Campbell, THEY choked. Period.

That said, I don't disagree that you have two plays coming out of the first timeout, but with a young QB, my GUESS (and it is just that) is that the second timeot was to make sure and the playerts still blew it.

[Keino]

Exactly how I feel except that I don NOT believe that clock management was even a 1% factor in the loss. We blew two timeouts here b/c for all intents and purposes, this was the game. Nobody knew Bret Favre would pull an idiot move and chuck up a duck. I really think the coaches made a great call and between Betts and Campbell, THEY choked. Period.

That said, I don't disagree that you have two plays coming out of the first timeout, but with a young QB, my GUESS (and it is just that) is that the second timeot was to make sure and the playerts still blew it.

How can you write that Clock management was less than 1% responsible for the loss and then turn around and say blowing 2 Timeouts was the game?

And of course everyone knew Favre is INT prone, he's only thrown more than any QB to ever play the damn game. Not a big surprise, you can force Favre into Forcing the ball.

Look the players blew it, everyone knows that, but don't you dare try and sweep the coach's mismanagement of the game clock under the rug. It has been a constant problem with this coaching regime since 2004. Maybe, just maybe, if given the chance the players would've made a play if put in the position to do so at the end.

And we will forever disagree on the consecutive Timeout issue. If you are down in a game, they are valuable and shouldn't be wasted. You don't call an extra Timeout just to be sure your STARTING QB understands what was previously discussed. That is complete nonsense.

[BigCountry]

Isn't not having a field goal kicker you think can't make a 50 yard field goal a problem onto itself for a pro team?

[fent]

Isn't not having a field goal kicker you think can't make a 50 yard field goal a problem onto itself for a pro team?

if you don't think he can make it period, yes, you're right. but there's no way that ANYONE has a better than 50-50 shot at making that kick with the weather and field conditions yesterday. with the way the field was holding up suisham had a better chance of ending up on his back after planting than actually putting the ball through the uprights.

[shally]

if you don't think he can make it period, yes, you're right. but there's no way that ANYONE has a better than 50-50 shot at making that kick with the weather and field conditions yesterday. with the way the field was holding up suisham had a better chance of ending up on his back after planting than actually putting the ball through the uprights.

the packer kicker struggled as well, and that is his home field

[BandWagon]

I see no problem with either the decision to go for it (a 50 yarder in bad weather is a Vinatieri-only type kick), or the play call. What went wrong was that 1)Betts ran a shallow route, and 2)JC showed his inexperience by not waiting the extra second and going to McCardell who was wide open on the slant route about 7 yards downfield.
Aside from clock management, I don't think the coaches can be held responsible for this loss. I think it falls completely on the shoulders of the offensive players.

I agree. The conditions were awful...trust me, I'm still feeling it. But you're right on all points. I think the entire offense was pressing. Calm will come with experience.

[Keino]

So...No Love for the Keystone cops picture eh? Oh Well :stout:

[skinsfan45]

that one call was fine, JC just reacted a little too quick, but with the o-line beat up i'm sure he was not as comfortable as he should have been - just one of many fixes we need

[LATrueRedskin]

The call was OK I guess, but the execution was not. Betts should have known where the first down was, and Campbell should have pulled back a little longer to catch McCardell on the quick post. Either way, Sellers should have the ball in his hands in that situation. Especially in those conditions. Hand it off to Big Mike and have fun watching the Packers try to tackle him.