2007/2008 College Basketball Thread: [merged]

[CarMike]

There have already been some pretty big upsets this year. Grand Valley State beating Michigan State. tOSU lost to a team i've never heard of and can't remember the name.

Last night Kentucky lost to a small college from North Carolina, Gardner-Webb, by 14 points.

UCONN had to fight and claw till the end to win over Morgan State.

My own UNC has "tough" game next week when we play Davidson in Charlotte. The #1 team in the country should be able to beat Davidson without any concern, but Santa Clara was able to beat UNC very early on during the season back in 2005. So nothing is certain.

Looks to be a great year in college basketball!

[SkinsKY]

There have already been some pretty big upsets this year. Grand Valley State beating Michigan State. tOSU lost to a team i've never heard of and can't remember the name.

Last night Kentucky lost to a small college from North Carolina, Gardner-Webb, by 14 points.

UCONN had to fight and claw till the end to win over Morgan State.

My own UNC has "tough" game next week when we play Davidson in Charlotte. The #1 team in the country should be able to beat Davidson without any concern, but Santa Clara was able to beat UNC very early on during the season back in 2005. So nothing is certain.

Looks to be a great year in college basketball!

We threw an absolute clunker last night. It wasn't on TV, so I had to listen to the radio, but we just never got going. We didn't just lose by 16, we were never in the game. I don't think we're that bad, but we were awful last night.

[CarMike]

I saw the score when it was 14-0 and I thought they had the score reversed...

Long season ahead Brandon.

[SkinsKY]

I saw the score when it was 14-0 and I thought they had the score reversed...

Long season ahead Brandon.

It'll be interesting to see how we respond. I still think we'd beat GW the next ten times we play them, but something was just fundamentally off that wasn't off on Tuesday or in the two exhibitions. I also realized (not sure how I missed it earlier) that we only have two streaky seniors (Ramel and Crawford) and a good for nothing junior (Jared Carter) as our only upperclassmen. It's a real young team and I don't expect a final four or anything, but we'll finish respectable even if we take some lumps.

Then with our class next year, we'll hopefully be in really good shape.

[akhhorus]

We threw an absolute clunker last night. It wasn't on TV, so I had to listen to the radio, but we just never got going. We didn't just lose by 16, we were never in the game. I don't think we're that bad, but we were awful last night.

Bring Back Tubby!


(kidding lol)

[SkinsKY]

Word on the street is that Billy Clyde had held a full practice a couple hours before the game and he never has a cake walk practice. That explains Patterson's cramps in the first half and the general lethargy of the whole team. He had them running the steps of Rupp (which is the second biggest college arena I think) and coupled with playing a game the previous day was a recipe for disaster. No credit away from GW. They played the aggressor all night and took it to us, but I'm not sure I agree with Gillespie's call on Wednesday.

[akhhorus]

Word on the street is that Billy Clyde had held a full practice a couple hours before the game and he never has a cake walk practice. That explains Patterson's cramps in the first half and the general lethargy of the whole team. He had them running the steps of Rupp (which is the second biggest college arena I think) and coupled with playing a game the previous day was a recipe for disaster. No credit away from GW. They played the aggressor all night and took it to us, but I'm not sure I agree with Gillespie's call on Wednesday.

Maybe if there were playing a decent team, but G-W just sucks as a basketball program and they humiliated the Cats in Rupp Arena. Okay, they were tired, but they still should have been able to put up some sort of fight just on sheer talent-even if Gillespie had to play the healthiest players instead of the lineups he wanted to.

[SkinsKY]

Maybe if there were playing a decent team, but G-W just sucks as a basketball program and they humiliated the Cats in Rupp Arena. Okay, they were tired, but they still should have been able to put up some sort of fight just on sheer talent-even if Gillespie had to play the healthiest players instead of the lineups he wanted to.

Oh, it's the worse loss this program's ever had since before Rupp. Terrible, terrible loss. But we also help set the table for it. Shooter's can't shoot without their legs and our big guys couldn't run the floor without theirs.

[Patrick]

We are well into the basketball season and I have seen much talk..
So big upsets right off the bat ......... Some real scares......... And of couse -typical blowouts.

So let's start the chatter ................

Maryland has played three games (3-O) and BOY to they look young ... and reckless ...and out of contol. I have the feeling this is going to be a tough year for Gary unless some to these freshmen step up. The starting five is OK but needs depth badly.

And UCLA on Monday night ...................:eek:


Oh and I just want to warn everyone .......... Hampton is for real - they should be dancing this year IMO.

[dj_stouty]

UVA can put up points, but their wins will depend on defense.

They take on #17th ranked Arizona tomorrow night. UVA has beaten them each of the last two seasons, so the Wildcats are looking for revenge. Should be a good game...

[PGiddy18]

Here we go explorers, here we go!! :clap clap:


I'm looking for a big season from you boys, get the *spensored* out of the A-ten Basement and kick some ass.

[CarMike]

Patrick, I started this thread last week. :)

I went ahead merged the two together...

[44FAN]

Huge Hoyas fan here. Looking forward to the season...

[CarMike]

How in the world did Maryland need OT to beat NorthEastern on Thursday night? I read the stat sheet and saw that Md. had 46 foul shots while NE only 13. Yet needed to go to OT to win. Did Md. shoot less 50% from the free throw line?

[CarMike]

Congrats to UVA for their big upset of Arizona last night, 75-72.

[NCskinsfanatic]

There have already been some pretty big upsets this year. Grand Valley State beating Michigan State. tOSU lost to a team i've never heard of and can't remember the name.

Last night Kentucky lost to a small college from North Carolina, Gardner-Webb, by 14 points.

UCONN had to fight and claw till the end to win over Morgan State.

My own UNC has "tough" game next week when we play Davidson in Charlotte. The #1 team in the country should be able to beat Davidson without any concern, but Santa Clara was able to beat UNC very early on during the season back in 2005. So nothing is certain.

Looks to be a great year in college basketball!

Davidson gave them all they could handle huh Mike?My Pack is looking pretty decent, have to see how the back court scenario plays out but looked good against William and Mary. I think we might just be the 3rd best team in the ACC...and yeah it's been awhile since I could make that claim lol.

[CarMike]

Davidson will beat MooU when they play. count on it.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Davidson will beat MooU when they play. count on it.

Puuuulease Mike, I know you hate the Pack but lets keep it realistic. You guys didnt exactly play all that stellar, i watched the game and you had points where you coulda shut the door but didnt. Davidsons good, but they aint ACC uper echelon good. We'll win, bank on it...

[Skaggsrules]

Congrats to UVA for their big upset of Arizona last night, 75-72.

Wahoo-Wah.....3-1 vs. Arizona in the 4 year series, not bad

[CarMike]

Puuuulease Mike, I know you hate the Pack but lets keep it realistic. You guys didnt exactly play all that stellar, i watched the game and you had points where you coulda shut the door but didnt. Davidsons good, but they aint ACC uper echelon good. We'll win, bank on it...

MooU loses at home to New Orleans. No, not the NBA Hornets. The New Orlean Privateers of the Sun Belt league. lmao

BTW Eric. Neither is NCSU. :)

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/recap;_ylt=AvYi8F_5TTvGuOBzfiCaAC3evbYF?gid=200711 180411

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) -- T.J. Worley banked in a 3-pointer with 1.7 seconds left and New Orleans became the latest mid-major to spring an upset by beating No. 21 North Carolina State 65-63 on Sunday night.

In a wild finish that had three lead changes in the final 15 seconds, New Orleans erased a late seven-point deficit by scoring eight straight points in the final 1:48, taking a 62-61 lead with 14.9 seconds left on two free throws by Bo McCalebb.

Gavin Grant hit a layup over Jaroslav Tyrna to put N.C. State up 63-62 with 8.3 seconds left, and the Privateers frantically inbounded it and worked it to Worley, whose 3-pointer from about 25 feet kissed off the glass.

Worley then broke up Brandon Costner's desperation pass to Grant as time expired and the Privateers celebrated a victory over the coach who recruited many of them to New Orleans.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Got me there Mike, but it's not davidson so I havent been proven wrong yet...lol. It's early we have time to improve and we will.

[Patrick]

Patrick, I started this thread last week. :)

I went ahead merged the two together...

Just saw this ......... don't know what I was thinking - I should have known you'd be right on top of the season .... my bad.

[Patrick]

Got me there Mike, but it's not davidson so I havent been proven wrong yet...lol. It's early we have time to improve and we will.

Davidson is projected by (SI) to be one of the teams in the 65 teams at the big dance. They are a very strong unit and playing top competition is only make them tougher come the end of the year.

[MONK_in_HOF]

We are well into the basketball season and I have seen much talk..
So big upsets right off the bat ......... Some real scares......... And of couse -typical blowouts.

So let's start the chatter ................

Maryland has played three games (3-O) and BOY to they look young ... and reckless ...and out of contol. I have the feeling this is going to be a tough year for Gary unless some to these freshmen step up. The starting five is OK but needs depth badly.

And UCLA on Monday night ...................:eek:


Oh and I just want to warn everyone .......... Hampton is for real - they should be dancing this year IMO.

Couldn't agree more. I have watched their last 2 games and it has been ugly. I know it is very early but none of the freshman have flashed much talent. The do have a lot of size in the new class but nobody has stood out. I fear this is going to be a long season for terp bball fans, especially if Vazquez continues to care more about showing opponents up and playing flashy rather than just being effective.

[MONK_in_HOF]

How in the world did Maryland need OT to beat NorthEastern on Thursday night? I read the stat sheet and saw that Md. had 46 foul shots while NE only 13. Yet needed to go to OT to win. Did Md. shoot less 50% from the free throw line?

After watching the last last 2 games, including that one, I am happy when they make 1 of 2 FTA. I think that game they went on a stretch in the second half where they missed like 9 straight.

[dj_stouty]

Congrats to UVA for their big upset of Arizona last night, 75-72.

Hell Yeah! This is the 2nd year in a row an unranked UVA team beat a ranked Arizona team; and this time they did it on the road. :sun:

I'm looking forward to UVA hosting Syracuse on the 5th. Should be a good game.

[Keino]

Hell Yeah! This is the 2nd year in a row an unranked UVA team beat a ranked Arizona team; and this time they did it on the road. :sun:

I'm looking forward to UVA hosting Syracuse on the 5th. Should be a good game.

Are you going?

Im glad UVA beat AZ. I need the ACC to be strong this year, because I have a feeling the Terps are going to be living close to the bubble.

[CarMike]

Are you going?

Im glad UVA beat AZ. I need the ACC to be strong this year, because I have a feeling the Terps are going to be living close to the bubble.

So far the ACC has been horrible. And against smaller named schools especially. FSU lost to Cleveland St. GT has lossed two games already. Both the smaller schools. NCSUx lost to New Orleans last night. Not a good start at all IMO.

[CarMike]

Maryland hung tough with the current #1 team in the land, UCLA, 71-59. [UNC/UCLA are tied for #1 ranking in America] Maryland dug themselves into a large hole in the first half only scoring 18 points.

[Patrick]

Maryland hung tough with the current #1 team in the land, UCLA, 71-59. [UNC/UCLA are tied for #1 ranking in America] Maryland dug themselves into a large hole in the first half only scoring 18 points.

This is a VERY young Maryland team - The best we can hope for is that each loss will provide a good learning experience (I hate that term but) and by the time the ACC comes around they will be competitive. Another step will be tonight to see how well the rebound against a good Missouri team.
LOVE is overrated - IMO.

[dj_stouty]

Are you going?

Unfortunately, no. Its on a Wednesday and I'm always up in NOVA working on those days.

I do plan on going to a few games this year though...

[Keino]

I didn't see any of the Maryland game last night, but Im not surprised by the result at all. We are a young team.

College Basketball is the one sport that I have 2 teams, so I can at least look to Gtown this year. Im looking forward to seeing Austin Freeman and Im happy that they landed Greg Monroe, a very highly touted 6'10 Forward from Lousiana. Even sweeter was that I read after his trip to DC he cancelled all his other recruiting trips including his trip to Duke. When Duke loses, I always smile.

[MPCSkins]

I didn't see any of the Maryland game last night, but Im not surprised by the result at all. We are a young team.

College Basketball is the one sport that I have 2 teams, so I can at least look to Gtown this year. Im looking forward to seeing Austin Freeman and Im happy that they landed Greg Monroe, a very highly touted 6'10 Forward from Lousiana. Even sweeter was that I read after his trip to DC he cancelled all his other recruiting trips including his trip to Duke. When Duke loses, I always smile.

Maryland looked real young last night committing a lot of turnovers and just getting dominated under the rim. Vasquez needs to stop trying to carry the team and making stupid mistakes too. If anyone should carry the team, it should be Gist.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Maryland looked real young last night committing a lot of turnovers and just getting dominated under the rim. Vasquez needs to stop trying to carry the team and making stupid mistakes too. If anyone should carry the team, it should be Gist.

They might need to make Hayes the primary ball handler to prevent Vazquez from jacking up undisciplined 3's. Vazquez is definitely trying to do too much. Last night was a better all around performance from MD but they really need to start cutting down on the turnovers.

[CarMike]

They might need to make Hayes the primary ball handler to prevent Vazquez from jacking up undisciplined 3's. Vazquez is definitely trying to do too much. Last night was a better all around performance from MD but they really need to start cutting down on the turnovers.

Vazquez was 6-14 and 0-3 from 3 point land. Alot of shots for a PG.

[CarMike]

Big win for the ACC from a couple of nights ago. FSU beat UF by double digits.

UNC won the tournament in Las Vegas last night. NCeST plays Villanova tonight for their tounament championship...GO NOVA!!!

[NCskinsfanatic]

Big win for the ACC from a couple of nights ago. FSU beat UF by double digits.

UNC won the tournament in Las Vegas last night. NCeST plays Villanova tonight for their tounament championship...GO NOVA!!!

What...go Nova geesh NCSU's like Rodney Dangerfield, no respect, no respect i tell ya...

[Patrick]

Well the ACC pretty much SMOKED the Big(little) 10 ....... again.
Congrats to all the ACC teams that prevailed.............
As for the Terps - like what I saw - alittle growing up last night.

[MPCSkins]

Well the ACC pretty much SMOKED the Big(little) 10 ....... again.
Congrats to all the ACC teams that prevailed.............
As for the Terps - like what I saw - alittle growing up last night.

FINALLY, Eric Hayes took some shots. And Cliff Tucker looked pretty good.

[SkinsKY]

Well, Carmike, it looks like your heels will gain another win in your chase to catch the all-time wins leader. We're still looking very green right now. I'll be there cheering them on, but it's an uphill climb. I am looking forward to seeing Patterson matched up against Hansborough. This will be his first tough match up.

[dj_stouty]

Well the ACC pretty much SMOKED the Big(little) 10 ....... again.

No kidding.

I turned off the UVA vs Northwestern game at halftime because it was a downright slaughter-fest.

Congrats to the ACC for representing the conference.

[Skaggsrules]

No kidding.

I turned off the UVA vs Northwestern game at halftime because it was a downright slaughter-fest.

Congrats to the ACC for representing the conference.

My friends were joking and one said: "Why did UVA get such an easy draw in ACC-Big10 challenge." Other friends response: "Because they're drawing from the Big 10"

[dj_stouty]

My friends were joking and one said: "Why did UVA get such an easy draw in ACC-Big10 challenge." Other friends response: "Because they're drawing from the Big 10"

*rimshot*

Nice!

[CarMike]

NCeST player Gavin Grant stated that the wuffies would lose 4 games all season, and would make the final 4. LMAO!

Only two more losses left GG.

[CarMike]

Well, Carmike, it looks like your heels will gain another win in your chase to catch the all-time wins leader. We're still looking very green right now. I'll be there cheering them on, but it's an uphill climb. I am looking forward to seeing Patterson matched up against Hansborough. This will be his first tough match up.

I don't know B. If Lawson can't go it'll be that much more interesting.

That's why they play the games...

[SkinsKY]

I don't know B. If Lawson can't go it'll be that much more interesting.

That's why they play the games...

Last I heard, Lawson was a go. We did get our starting SF back from injury so he'll help. He won't give us many points, but he gives us better defense on the wing. The key I think is our PF spot. Patterson's effectively a C, so we'll have either Stevenson (can block shots and get garbage points, but terrible in post defense and terrible hands) or Coury (strong, physical and hustles, but not overly talented). We'll need to start strong and get those guys playing well and we're in it. If we don't, it could be rough.

[NCskinsfanatic]

NCeST player Gavin Grant stated that the wuffies would lose 4 games all season, and would make the final 4. LMAO!

Only two more losses left GG.

Gavin should shut up, this team is underachieving and still has yet to workout the backcourt situation. Degand presents match up problems for some teams with his size but he's not Atsur, last night's performance was embarassing...

[CarMike]

UNC beats Kentucky, 85-76. Good game SkinsKY. It was a little to close for comfort in the first half. Glad to see we were able to open up a 20 point lead in the 2nd half.

Patterson is going to be a baller for sure. Is he a one and done? I know he wasn't headed into the season. Has he been playing this well all season long?

[SkinsKY]

Patterson has been fantastic all year. If he keeps it up, he'll be one and done, but the kid can play. Here are a couple things I noticed when I was at the game:

-Ellington has a killer midrange jumper. Roy would do well to exploit that more.
-We played about 30 total minutes of good basketball, but UNC capitalized everytime we didn't.
-26 minutes and 12 UNC free throws passed before we shot our first.
-9 fouls were called against us prior to the ball being inbounded (It looked like UNC would double-screen our man and then they called the foul when he tried to squeeze through. The first call was weird, but the next 8 were ridiculous.
-Our seniors and Patterson are legit, but our youth shows a lot in the rest of the team.
-Lawson has a move where he hooks the defenders arm and pulls him along drawing a foul (used at least three times).
-I was a Hansborough fan until he only seemed to be able to draw fouls and foul without being called(he handchecked Patterson's hip almost everytime he went up.)

The refs were awful. We deserved almost all of our fouls, but there were a lot that you guys got away with. Not a knock on you guys but the refs swallowed the whistle the whole first half when we had the ball.

Man, it sounds like I'm bitter, but I'm not. We had chances to stay with it and didn't capitalize. The game just had a feel different from any I've seen in person.

[CarMike]

How is that Tylers fault? It was SEC officials as well.

Tyler gets fouled on every trip down the court. It's been that way for past two years. Teams come at him like that because they know the refs will not call each and every foul.

Your PG carries the ball on just about every dribble. lol

We could go back and forth all night long B.

[SkinsKY]

How is that Tylers fault? It was SEC officials as well.

Tyler gets fouled on every trip down the court. It's been that way for past two years. Teams come at him like that because they know the refs will not call each and every foul.

Your PG carries the ball on just about every dribble. lol

We could go back and forth all night long B.

Like I said, I'm not bitter and I'm not really trying to down your team. It was the refs fault (and not Tyler's) that we didn't as many shooting fouls. You guys are better than us. You played a much better game (the margin should have been a lot greater). These were just things I noticed. The list of complaints for my team would be a lot longer than this. Crawford's insistence on driving to the lane without ever looking for a pass. Several players losing their men in transition. Stevenson getting four fouls because he doesn't control his body in the first half (and Gillispie leaving him in). Billy's sub patterns. I could go on for a while.

Again, what I am about to say is not an insult. I respect you and I'm not trying to say they are dirty because they're not. UNC was good at fouling and not getting caught. I didn't see any cheap shots like when we played Florida or Vandy last year (they were both extremely dirty). In the same way that Jordan used hand checks and subtle pushoffs (heck, even in the same way that Randy Moss uses them to catch touchdowns), you guys do that well. I like both Jordan and Moss. Again, it's not a complaint or an accusation. I don't ever bash the heels and I don't dislike them (except when it comes to closing the win gap or NC gap between us ;)) personally.

You guys have a great squad and some real good players. I'm not trying to be disrespectful...I promise :)

[Farmer Ted]

Michigan falls to Harvard, 62-51. Ouch.

[Patrick]

Michigan falls to Harvard, 62-51. Ouch.

LMAO ......... Football / Basketball ..... This team is on a roll this year!

[CarMike]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/7522442

Kentucky coach Billy Gillispie faces his first defection just six games into his tenure.

Wildcats freshman shooting guard Alex Legion has decided to transfer, said sources close to the situation.

According to one source, the move primarily concerned Gillispie — and wasn't about playing time.

"He was told he'd get his release later this week," the source said. "It wasn't about his playing time at all."

Legion has played six games and averaged 6.7 points in 17.5 minutes per game. He played just six minutes in Saturday's loss to North Carolina and finished with seven points, but logged 31 minutes in a game against Liberty last month.

The Detroit native was a consensus Top 50 player in the Class of 2007 (Scout.com, No. 39), so don't be surprised to see Legion wind up in the Big Ten. He signed with Michigan and was let out of his letter of intent by current Michigan coach John Beilein after the coaching change.

What's the low down on this SkinsKY? Is there more to it than is being reported?

[dj_stouty]

Congrats to VCU on their huge win over the Terps.

Syracuse is coming to Charlottesville tomorrow night to play UVA. Should be a great matchup...check it out on ESPN2.

[HAWGZHEAD]

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/7522442



What's the low down on this SkinsKY? Is there more to it than is being reported?
Maybe he doesn't want to play with this guy anymore. Ewwwww.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1791890

[CarMike]

Maybe he doesn't want to play with this guy anymore. Ewwwww.

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1791890

There goes my lunch! :)

[Keino]

Congrats to Syra.......


Wait a minute. I hate Syracuse. F Syracuse. CNY you're lucky Singletary was sick.

On a second night when I am cheering UVA on, they lose. Im telling you, I am the kiss of death to the Hoos.

[The Skinsinator]

Did anyone catch the USC-Memphis game the other night which paired Mayo against Rose? I thought Mayo clearly looked like the better player. Just stunning really looked like a pro playing college. The Sonics are supposed to be coming to OKC next season and he's my target guy.

[dj_stouty]

Congrats to Syra.......


Wait a minute. I hate Syracuse. F Syracuse. CNY you're lucky Singletary was sick.

On a second night when I am cheering UVA on, they lose. Im telling you, I am the kiss of death to the Hoos.

Yeah, if that is the case, then stop rooting for them! :D

Last night's game could have gone either way. Both teams played it tight. As you mentioned, the biggest factor was Singletary being sick. You could tell he just didn't have the energy in those final few minutes.

UVA needs to find a way to score points in the paint. I love their ability to hit a good % of 3-pointers throughout the game, but that won't last very long. In this sport, you need to bang out points under the basket, or at least attempt to do so to keep the defense honest.

[CarMike]

What an embarrassing loss by the ACC.

NCSU lost to ECU 75 to 69. ECU has one Division 1A player on their team.

Gavin Grant guarenteed that State wouldn't lose more than 4 games this year and they would be a final 4 team.

To put this loss into more of a perspective, ECU lost to Richmond earlier this year. lmao!

God I love to see MooU lose. :)

OMT, heading into the game, ECU was 0 - 17 against State an 0 - 57 against the ACC prior to last night...

[Patrick]

Terps lose to BC 81-78.
Tough loss - Greivis Vasques has to learn to play smarter - he cost them the game last night.

[suppitty]

UMass wins at BC tonight. I know there is at least 1 BC student on this board.
This comes after UMass had already won at Syracuse earlier this year. Props to fellow A-10ers Xavier for beating Cincinnati again. The conference might actually be back on its way to respectability.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I just got finished washing the sting out of my eyes after watching the Terps. I am almost certain this is the worst team MD has had since the Wade era. Too many issues to list.

[dj_stouty]

I just got finished washing the sting out of my eyes after watching the Terps. I am almost certain this is the worst team MD has had since the Wade era. Too many issues to list.

I thought it was a typo when I saw the final score scroll at the bottom of my TV. I knew VCU was going to give them troubles a week ago, but Maryland should have beaten Ohio at home.

[CarMike]

Gary was testy before the game yesterday. Wonder how he's doing today?

"When you win the national championship, that's what you're measured against. You're never measured against .500 like some teams are," Williams said.

"Some teams go .500 and they say it's a great year," he said.

But not Maryland.

"Not as long as I'm here," he said.

Maryland, which hosts Ohio University (5-2) tonight, is 6-4 after Sunday night's 81-78 loss to Boston College and, sure enough, some fans on the Internet message boards are questioning whether the program is in decline.

High expectations - sometimes followed by disappointment and anger - are part of the landscape at most major programs that have enjoyed national success, and Maryland is no exception.

"When Virginia Commonwealth beat Duke last year [in the NCAA tournament], they were a great team. I guess when they play Maryland, they're not as good a team," he said sarcastically.

"I remember when we played Davidson [in the NCAA tournament last season], we didn't play well. Then they played two great games against North Carolina and Duke [this season] and all of a sudden it's a great basketball team with the same guys."

"That happens in this area," Williams said of the tendency to cast the Terps in a harsh light.

[dj_stouty]

Gary was testy before the game yesterday. Wonder how he's doing today?

Well...they have a good amount of time off to prepare for their home game against a weak American University team in 10 days. If they manage to lose that one, Gary will have a lot of explaining to do for his ".500 team".

[MONK_in_HOF]

I thought it was a typo when I saw the final score scroll at the bottom of my TV. I knew VCU was going to give them troubles a week ago, but Maryland should have beaten Ohio at home.

I would of thought so too but having seen the game, MD never held the lead, were down by 17 at one point, and were outplayed in every facet. That was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from a MD team. Between giving up countless OFF rebounds and Vazquez trying to be the hero by launching ill advised 3's from way beyond the arc... UGH!! I knew it was going to be a tough year, but now I hope they just go 500. I also hope their top recruits don't decommit.

[CarMike]

I would of thought so too but having seen the game, MD never held the lead, were down by 17 at one point, and were outplayed in every facet. That was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from a MD team. Between giving up countless OFF rebounds and Vazquez trying to be the hero by launching ill advised 3's from way beyond the arc... UGH!! I knew it was going to be a tough year, but now I hope they just go 500. I also hope their top recruits don't decommit.

I've heard the biggest complaint Maryland fans have these days is the recruiting. You would think with the 2002 national championship he would have been able to build on it. Instead, he has gone the other way. I've read that Williams HATES recruiting and usually leaves it up to his assistants. With the talent in and around DC/Baltimore, Maryland would be better in basketball.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I've heard the biggest complaint Maryland fans have these days is the recruiting. You would think with the 2002 national championship he would have been able to build on it. Instead, he has gone the other way. I've read that Williams HATES recruiting and usually leaves it up to his assistants. With the talent in and around DC/Baltimore, Maryland would be better in basketball.

I've heard the same thing and it appears to be true. I think if anything he probably got complacent after winning the title, and figured he wouldn't have to recruit as hard. I realize they probably never will be able to pull in recruits like Duke or UNC, but Gary's teams have never really been chock full of 5 star recruits, so you wouldn't think winning the national championship would have led to such poor teams to follow.

[CarMike]

I've heard the same thing and it appears to be true. I think if anything he probably got complacent after winning the title, and figured he wouldn't have to recruit as hard. I realize they probably never will be able to pull in recruits like Duke or UNC, but Gary's teams have never really been chock full of 5 star recruits, so you wouldn't think winning the national championship would have led to such poor teams to follow.

Gary has definitely done more with less. I think to got to comfortable with that happening. But you have to build on it when you have momentum. Something he didn't do. And now those 3 and 4 star guys aren't producing like the Steve Blakes and Lonnie Baxters...

[NCskinsfanatic]

What an embarrassing loss by the ACC.

NCSU lost to ECU 75 to 69. ECU has one Division 1A player on their team.

Gavin Grant guarenteed that State wouldn't lose more than 4 games this year and they would be a final 4 team.

To put this loss into more of a perspective, ECU lost to Richmond earlier this year. lmao!

God I love to see MooU lose. :)

OMT, heading into the game, ECU was 0 - 17 against State an 0 - 57 against the ACC prior to last night...

Mike...I have no defense for the sorry excuse of an effort put forth by NCSU this season. They have talent, especially in the front court but alas without atsur running the point we just dont play that well as a collective unit. It seems like Sidney cant find the right combo, Hickson is a beast and Costner, Grant and company are still good but we just lack any kind of a presence at pg IMO.

[CarMike]

From the games that i've seen NCSU play this year, it seems to me that Sid is trying to run a NBA offense. Two person game. He wants to run the entire offense through Hickson. I can't say I blame him for it, but it also seems to be hurting some of the players feelings.

[MPCSkins]

I would of thought so too but having seen the game, MD never held the lead, were down by 17 at one point, and were outplayed in every facet. That was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from a MD team. Between giving up countless OFF rebounds and Vazquez trying to be the hero by launching ill advised 3's from way beyond the arc... UGH!! I knew it was going to be a tough year, but now I hope they just go 500. I also hope their top recruits don't decommit.

That sounds right. That's the way Vasquez plays. He tries to be a hero all the time and constantly throws up ugly threes or tries to make a no-look pass and turns it over. It's painful.

Gary has never liked going for the high recruits either. He likes the kids who stay the whole time. Though they did get Sean Mosley for next year, he really does not do much for recruiting. So many great players come out of this area and go somewhere else and it kills me.

It's gonna be a long season. The team is young and should get better and Dave Neal will be back soon, but this team is not making the tourney the way they are playing. I'd be real surprised if we got in, we'd have to play great ball over the next two months and that does not look likely.

[CarMike]

IMO, the ACC needs Maryland to be better. Same goes for NCSU.

[NCskinsfanatic]

From the games that i've seen NCSU play this year, it seems to me that Sid is trying to run a NBA offense. Two person game. He wants to run the entire offense through Hickson. I can't say I blame him for it, but it also seems to be hurting some of the players feelings.

That seems to be accurate but I think he's playing that way moreso than last season b/c he has no PG.

[akhhorus]

My father is a huge Kentucky fan. I called him after the loss to UAB, and all he said was this: "Seriously, Billy Clyde needs to have someone start his car for him in the morning...just in case".

[SkinsKY]

My father is a huge Kentucky fan. I called him after the loss to UAB, and all he said was this: "Seriously, Billy Clyde needs to have someone start his car for him in the morning...just in case".

This makes me feel worse than the Gardner-Webb loss. We probably played our best game of the year and lost because one player caught fire and Gillispie wouldn't adjust to stop him. God help us when Chris Lofton comes to town.

[HAWGZHEAD]

UNC looked pretty good tonight although the announcers couldn't get enough praise in for dook. :rolleyes:

[nicefellow31]

That sounds right. That's the way Vasquez plays. He tries to be a hero all the time and constantly throws up ugly threes or tries to make a no-look pass and turns it over. It's painful.

Gary has never liked going for the high recruits either. He likes the kids who stay the whole time. Though they did get Sean Mosley for next year, he really does not do much for recruiting. So many great players come out of this area and go somewhere else and it kills me.

It's gonna be a long season. The team is young and should get better and Dave Neal will be back soon, but this team is not making the tourney the way they are playing. I'd be real surprised if we got in, we'd have to play great ball over the next two months and that does not look likely.

Yes and it seems like Georgetown is getting the best of the local talent. BTW, how did Kevin Durant from Suitland wind up in Texas anyway?

[SkinsKY]

I saw the score when it was 14-0 and I thought they had the score reversed...

Long season ahead Brandon.

Man, you were right.:confused:

[akhhorus]

Put me down for "not surprised" if Billy Clyde doesn't coach Kentucky in 2008-09.

[SkinsKY]

Here's a post from Bomani Jones (cbssportsline I think) that encouraged me at least a little.

As a native Houstonian, I’m stunned that U of H won a nationally televised game against a nationally renowned program. However, I get the feeling no one here is too surprised by what happened to Kentucky last night. Losing by 14 after being down by over 20 at various points? Ouch, man.

Well, I live in Durham now, and I went to grad school at UNC for a couple of years. Got here in ‘03, Roy’s first year back in Chapel Hill. When I got here, people still talked about the 2001-02 season with a special sort of depression. The only thing–they never called it “‘02″ or anything like that. They called–and continue to call–that season “8-20.”

8-20 started with a home loss to Hampton. Next came a loss to Davidson and another to Indiana. The most depressing moment of the year wasn’t a loss, though. It was a win against Binghamton, which was immortalized by the sight of Jason Capel celebrating this one-point victory like he just got Beyonce’s phone number.

Kentucky didn’t string three early losses together, but the similarites are hard to avoid. Gardner-Webb is Hampton. There’s a loss to Indiana.Like Billy Gillipsie this year, Matt Doherty that year was hamstrung by the recruiting weaknesses of the previous regime. Like that Carolina team, this Kentucky team has a good recruiting class that can’t fix things right away (however, that Carolina class didn’t have a Patrick Patterson). And, like that Carolina team, it doesn’t look like things are going to get any better for this Kentucky team.

Further similarities–a coach that wasn’t the first choice, at least one documented example of player discontent and….

…a 4-5 record after nine games.

This isn’t a scientific comparison by any means. However, this sort of season isn’t terribly unprecedented. In fact, it looks kinda familiar.

In other words, things can, in fact, get worse. Gillispie is a better coach than Doherty–and has to be a more likable guy, unless he fights dogs with Michael Vick and hunts with Bobby Knight)–but we’re gonna have to see how he handle this season. The wheels could easily come off.

Lucky for Gillispie, I doubt he’ll cause a mutiny like Doherty did in 2003. But he could easily lose 20 games.

Oh, and one deviation from the comparison–Carolina didn’t have an early-season loss as unconscionable as the blowout to Houston. The only explanation–this is karma paying Kentucky back for having an uncharacteristically good football team. The universe seems to be balanced like that.

I had forgotten about that UNC year (I'm sure mike probably doesn't want to think about it anymore).

[CarMike]

Here's a post from Bomani Jones (cbssportsline I think) that encouraged me at least a little.



I had forgotten about that UNC year (I'm sure mike probably doesn't want to think about it anymore).
San Diego? Are you kidding me? :) UK may be on their way to the same type of season Brandon.

[ChapelHillMatt]

Here's a post from Bomani Jones (cbssportsline I think) that encouraged me at least a little.



I had forgotten about that UNC year (I'm sure mike probably doesn't want to think about it anymore).

UK has better talent than that UNC team had and a better coach as well, a much better coach actually.

There is no excuse for this, that program is in shambles right now. Gillepsie has his work cut out for him.

It took bringing a Hall of Famer in to fix UNC, let's not forget that.

[CarMike]

UK has better talent than that UNC team had and a better coach as well, a much better coach actually.

There is no excuse for this, that program is in shambles right now. Gillepsie has his work cut out for him.

It took bringing a Hall of Famer in to fix UNC, let's not forget that.

Matt, does it really surprise you that a kentucky fan would look to our saddest season for comfort? lmao

I love it.

[SkinsKY]

Matt, does it really surprise you that a kentucky fan would look to our saddest season for comfort? lmao

I love it.

I'd get mad, but I loved your tumble back then so I can't say much. At this point the losses don't effect me too much emotionally (something I've transferred from the 3-13, 4-12 years for the skins).

[ChapelHillMatt]

I'd get mad, but I loved your tumble back then so I can't say much. At this point the losses don't effect me too much emotionally (something I've transferred from the 3-13, 4-12 years for the skins).

There comes a point where you just start accepting the losses without much of a fight, when it gets to that point you know you've hit rock bottom. During the 8-20 year I got to that point very quickly.

[SkinsKY]

There comes a point where you just start accepting the losses without much of a fight, when it gets to that point you know you've hit rock bottom. During the 8-20 year I got to that point very quickly.

I'm definitely there. At this point, I'm wanting to make sure we don't lose our best kids to transfers and that they develop. The talent will come some time, but it will be a little bit before the wins start coming again.

[CarMike]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH8Do1WYakM&eurl=http://wc0.worldcrossing.com/WebX/.1de41783/878

[NCskinsfanatic]

This thread is becoming heelrific...:cussing:

[CarMike]

This thread is becoming heelrific...:cussing:

Did you about have a heart attack yesterday watching your wuffies fight tooth and nail with......WESTERN CAROLINA? lol

[HAWGZHEAD]

UNC went on a 51 to 12 run after the score was tied at 36 tonight vs Valpo. Impressive :awesomewo

[CarMike]

UNC went on a 51 to 12 run after the score was tied at 36 tonight vs Valpo. Impressive :awesomewo

Very much so! Danny Green and William Graves were awesome last night. Along with your usual double-double from Tyler.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Did you about have a heart attack yesterday watching your wuffies fight tooth and nail with......WESTERN CAROLINA? lol

Nah, I'm use to it after losses to NO and ECU lol...

[ChapelHillMatt]

UNC went on a 51 to 12 run after the score was tied at 36 tonight vs Valpo. Impressive :awesomewo

Yeah that 2nd half was amazing, I was pretty ticked off at halftime. It was inexcusable how we let them back into the game after starting the game on a 17-2 run.

This UNC team might be something special, but we have to stay focused.

[CarMike]

After Valpo went 7-10 from 3 pt land in the first half, I thought we'd see another nail-biter with a lesser team playing the game of their lives. Glad to see the Heels turn up the pressure in the 2nd half. That one stretch is the best defense i've seen from the Heels in a while.

[SkinsKY]

Today was the first day of the year we had our best five players available to play full tilt and I think it showed. With Jasper running point, it should help us tremendously since Bradley looked like he was crumbling under the pressure. Plus, Jasper is a much better ball distributor, and gives us a much stronger defensive presence. It's still going to take a bit of work to get to the big dance,
but I feel slightly better about it now.

[CarMike]

Luckily you guys play in the SEC. It's a weak conference as a whole.

With that said, you should still field a .500 team and not have to go through what UNC had to deal with the 8-20 season.

[SkinsKY]

Luckily you guys play in the SEC. It's a weak conference as a whole.

With that said, you should still field a .500 team and not have to go through what UNC had to deal with the 8-20 season.

At this point, .500 would be fine. What should be interesting is that Patterson should really be able to take off with Jasper back because he's apparently the only one who knows how to consistently feed the post. The SEC being down this year will help, but every game is still going to be very tough.

[ChapelHillMatt]

Back from the game....

Tyler = Best player in the country and it's not even close

Ellington = Best SG in America, gotta be. He has it all, he drives, he pulls up with the mid range game, he shoots the three, he plays defense.

Lawson is a stud as well, can get to the basket anytime he wants.

UNC moves to 14-0 and has a huge test at Clemson this Sunday.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Back from the game....

Tyler = Best player in the country and it's not even close

Ellington = Best SG in America, gotta be. He has it all, he drives, he pulls up with the mid range game, he shoots the three, he plays defense.

Lawson is a stud as well, can get to the basket anytime he wants.

UNC moves to 14-0 and has a huge test at Clemson this Sunday.I take it you were impressed at the game? lol We can't lose to clemson, anyone but clemson.

[ChapelHillMatt]

I take it you were impressed at the game? lol We can't lose to clemson, anyone but clemson.

Well I really wasn't impressed with the team, we could have beat that team by 60 if we would have played well. I thought we looked bored out there at times, didn't think we played that well as a team.

It's just those 3 players, man they are good. Reminds me of Felton, McCants, and May.

[CarMike]

Bad day for the ACC and the state of Virginia, unless you're a Richmond Spiders fan.

Richmond Spiders beat VT 52-49

UVA laid a big egg, losing to Xavier 108-70. UVA found themselves down by 31 at half time, 61-30.

[The Skinsinator]

Ellington with a 3 in ot to take out Clemson. Wow. The Heels can help my broken Skins heart.

[CarMike]

HAHAHAHA

Not tonight ACC fans! I know most wanted to see UNC go down, but it'll have to be on another night. Wayne Ellington goes for 36 points...Notice. UNC can win the tough games as well.

[Patrick]

HAHAHAHA

Not tonight ACC fans! I know most wanted to see UNC go down, but it'll have to be on another night. Wayne Ellington goes for 36 points...Notice. UNC can win the tough games as well.


My hats off to Clemson - Played UNC tough.
Just imagine if all the other ACC schools could have player payrolls like UNC and Duke. ;) Talk about parity and NOBODY would want to go to Duke then - lol

[CarMike]

Come on Pat. You can do better than that! :)

The players want to play for great colleges with great coaches and great tradition. Gary had his chance but declined to get out and take advantage of his 2002 NC. No ones fault but his own.

[MPCSkins]

MD blows the game against VT. They were something like 2 for 12 from three and that hurt em. Hayes being out really showed in those three numbers as he's ur best shooter. This team just can't find ways to win. Real disappointing.

[44FAN]

Roy Hibbert BAYBEE!!! :D

[MPCSkins]

Roy Hibbert BAYBEE!!! :D

That was awesome. 2nd career 3 point FG and it couldn't have been at a better time.

[CarMike]

Gary has done wonders with this maryland team since 2002! Keep it up Gary!

[NCskinsfanatic]

This just in...wolves added to endangered species list in the state of NC.

[SkinsKY]

Billy Clyde picks up a big win today. I'm not sure why I've never seen us play like that before, but hopefully we can get a spark from it.

[CarMike]

Billy Clyde picks up a big win today. I'm not sure why I've never seen us play like that before, but hopefully we can get a spark from it.

Kentucky fans loves Billy Clyde this week. :)

I was reading CatsPause earlier and laughing at all the love going out to BCG.

[SkinsKY]

Kentucky fans loves Billy Clyde this week. :)

I was reading CatsPause earlier and laughing at all the love going out to BCG.

Yeah well, Billy didn't do anything different this week, except try and keep his best players on the floor (which is not the case in some games). The players finally showed some basketball awareness, which I hadn't seen yet this year. They just worked hard for each other and made it work. My thoughts on Billy haven't changed because of it.

[MPCSkins]

Gary has done wonders with this maryland team since 2002! Keep it up Gary!

AHHH. Mike, rubbing salt in the wound not helping.

[CarMike]

AHHH. Mike, rubbing salt in the wound not helping.

Just trying to get back at Keino. :D

We meet up next weekend in Chapel Hill.

[CarMike]

Tar Heels land the #1 PG in the class of 2009! :D

Must be killing you ABC'ers...lmao

Dexter Strickland has committed to the Tar Heels, InsideCarolina.com has learned through sources close to the situation. The 6-3, 175-pound junior guard from Elizabeth (N.J.) St. Patrick will announce for UNC over Florida in a Sunday afternoon press conference at Madison Square Garden.

He informed the UNC and Florida staffs of his decision on Saturday.

Strickland is ranked the No. 1 point guard in the class of 2009 by Scout.com and the No. 10 prospect overall.

[smoot]

Tar Heels land the #1 PG in the class of 2009! :D

Must be killing you ABC'ers...lmao

oh yeah? well we got.....bobby maze?
:bangdesk:

[Patrick]

Tar Heels land the #1 PG in the class of 2009! :D

Must be killing you ABC'ers...lmao

Hope the kid doesn't get caught spending his money.
Then again - YES I DO!

[CarMike]

Yeah, we have to pay our recruits. :rolleyes:

Honest Gary and all...

[dj_stouty]

Well, UVA proved they can't go on the road and compete with the big dogs. I thought the 30 point loss on the road to Xavier was a fluke, but Duke just outplayed them for the entire game last night. I couldn't even watch the game past the half...

I predict they make the Big Dance, but bow out in the first round after a loss to someone like Cleveland State or Drake. Nah...it would never happend since UVA wouldn't get a seed that high to play a team like that. They will probably get a 12 seed and lose by 25 to someone like Stanford or Villanova. Fun times! :smash:

[Keino]

Well, UVA proved they can't go on the road and compete with the big dogs. I thought the 30 point loss on the road to Xavier was a fluke, but Duke just outplayed them for the entire game last night. I couldn't even watch the game past the half...

I predict they make the Big Dance, but bow out in the first round after a loss to someone like Cleveland State or Drake. Nah...it would never happend since UVA wouldn't get a seed that high to play a team like that. They will probably get a 12 seed and lose by 25 to someone like Stanford or Villanova. Fun times! :smash:


Way too early to talk seeding. If UVA finishes among the top 4 in the ACC, which is entirely possible, I think you are looking at nothing less than a 5 seed.

Most teams go to Cameron Indoor and lose, don't hang your head over that one and Xavier is a respectable program.


Carmike - As for Gary, he's never been a great recruiter. He banks on bottom tier of the top 100 because he thinks the program is healthier when it can keep its "stars" for 4 years. His success with Dixon/Blake/Baxter makes him think this is a viable strategy.

I think getting a few McDonalds all-americans is a smart thing to do, even if you only get them for 2 years. Think Rick Barnes was happy to have Kevin Durant for 1 year? You bet your butt he was.

[Patrick]

Way too early to talk seeding. If UVA finishes among the top 4 in the ACC, which is entirely possible, I think you are looking at nothing less than a 5 seed.

Most teams go to Cameron Indoor and lose, don't hang your head over that one and Xavier is a respectable program.


Carmike - As for Gary, he's never been a great recruiter. He banks on bottom tier of the top 100 because he thinks the program is healthier when it can keep its "stars" for 4 years. His success with Dixon/Blake/Baxter makes him think this is a viable strategy.

I think getting a few McDonalds all-americans is a smart thing to do, even if you only get them for 2 years. Think Rick Barnes was happy to have Kevin Durant for 1 year? You bet your butt he was.

I think instead of going for the "two year & done (fresh/soph) wonders" , which has to still be developed to some extend, he rather take his chance of landing a top 5 "junior college" players and a couple of top 100 four year types (like you said). Understand his strategy but not always happy with the results. Flip side - I love guys like Joe Smith when they are here but hate when they are talked into bad decisions. Gary didn't do a very good job in trying to get him to stay and he WAS NOT for the NBA - IMO. So MANY aren't.

Mike - Sorry if I appear a little hard on your Heels BUT you've got to understand - You know the way you talk about Duke (your feeling are well documented) .......... WELL that's pretty much how I feel about ANY NC team. Specially those DII womens lacrosse teams ........ ;)
ALL in good fun though.

[dj_stouty]

Way too early to talk seeding. If UVA finishes among the top 4 in the ACC, which is entirely possible, I think you are looking at nothing less than a 5 seed.

Most teams go to Cameron Indoor and lose, don't hang your head over that one and Xavier is a respectable program.


Yeah, I'm just upset about losing back-to-back road games by an average of 25 points a piece; regardless if it was against Duke and Xavier. I don't have too much confidence in them right now.

And yes, my bringing up seeding was more of a sarcastic view of their season so far. At this rate, they won't even make the tourney.

[Patrick]

Yeah, I'm just upset about losing back-to-back road games by an average of 25 points a piece; regardless if it was against Duke and Xavier. I don't have too much confidence in them right now.

And yes, my bringing up seeding was more of a sarcastic view of their season so far. At this rate, they won't even make the tourney.

Don't feel lonely dj - MD will be right there too.

[SkinsKY]

Don't feel lonely dj - MD will be right there too.

Hey, me too!

[Biggie]

Don't feel lonely dj - MD will be right there too.
Oh, will we now?

[Patrick]

WAY TO GO TERPS!!!! Gary Williams kills another #1 (sorry Mike) ............. Only better feeling for me - beating Dallas

[Biggie]

WAY TO GO TERPS!!!! Gary Williams kills another #1 (sorry Mike) ............. Only better feeling for me - beating Dallas
:)

LET'S GOOOOOOOO MARYLAND!

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

:Pickle: how 'bout them terps!

[RedskinRyan]

Kentucky, despite playing bad this year, hanging in there with Florida. Tied in overtime.

[SkinsKY]

We're coming around. Not in time for a tourney bid I'm afraid, but if we ever get healed fully, we'll be much better. The refs were awful though. Called a lot of touch fouls, but let a lot of big stuff go. Once again though, a team shoots far more free throws than us. That's the difference in the game.

[SkinsKY]

Huge win over the fighting Loftons of Tennessee tonight. Came back from 10 down and trailing most of the game. We've beaten two top teams in about a week and with Jasper and Meeks about back up to speed, I think we have enough athletes to put out there and compete. Bradley has been huge scoring 20+ in the last six previous games and going 10-10FT (85.7% as a team for the game) at the end to ice the game. A couple of great coaching moves by Gillispie to beat the press and keep Lofton quiet until the game was all but put away. A very, very good win.

[CarMike]

Congrats to all of the Maryland fans here on hR. :)

I've not been dodging you guys. :)

I've been out of town for the past week and just now able to check back in.

Good win for Maryland. Too bad Maryland can't play their entire schedule of whoever is the #1 team in the country. :-)

Keep up the momentum. We need all teams to be better for the conference.

[ihatedallas]

Wentto a Virginia Commonwealth game on saturday, they played Drexel. They are leading the NCAA in 3 point defense... I plan on attending VCU in the fall..so i was wondering if any one has an opinion of them?...im doubtful...lol..

[SkinsKY]

Wentto a Virginia Commonwealth game on saturday, they played Drexel. They are leading the NCAA in 3 point defense... I plan on attending VCU in the fall..so i was wondering if any one has an opinion of them?...im doubtful...lol..

They have a great coach. Grant used to be Donovan's assistant at Florida and almost took his spot before he balked going to the NBA. I kind of hoped we'd get him after Tubby left. He'll do good things for that team (pull an upset or two in the tourney), but probably won't be there too long.

[Patrick]

Well - Maryland took several steps backwards last night. Had a chance to make a statement BUT let Duke off the hook. ..............and the light grows dimmer ............again.

[SkinsKY]

Best line I've read today:

Duke's run of No. 1 seeds is on par with UCLA's dynasty.

This on the Men's BBall front page of ESPN. I'm not sure if I should laugh or vomit.

[dj_stouty]

Wentto a Virginia Commonwealth game on saturday, they played Drexel. They are leading the NCAA in 3 point defense... I plan on attending VCU in the fall..so i was wondering if any one has an opinion of them?...im doubtful...lol..

Are you asking an opinion about the school in terms of going there?

If so; from what I hear, its a pretty good school. It is located in a pretty crappy part of downtown Richmond, but there are a good amount of bars down there. Not sure what your major is, but I believe they are known for having a fairly good medical school and an exceptional school of the arts.

[MONK_in_HOF]

Best line I've read today:

Originally Posted by ESPN
Duke's run of No. 1 seeds is on par with UCLA's dynasty.

This on the Men's BBall front page of ESPN. I'm not sure if I should laugh or vomit.

:lol3: It is funny they would draw that comparison, however it isn't surprising coming from ESPN.

[SkinsKY]

Are you asking an opinion about the school in terms of going there?

If so; from what I hear, its a pretty good school. It is located in a pretty crappy part of downtown Richmond, but there are a good amount of bars down there. Not sure what your major is, but I believe they are known for having a fairly good medical school and an exceptional school of the arts.

They also have a grad program for athletic administration as well that I'm looking into.

[dj_stouty]

They also have a grad program for athletic administration as well that I'm looking into.

So you may be moving to Richmond to attend VCU Grad school? If so, it would be fun hanging out again. They are building a Dave & Busters 2 miles from my house so we will have to do happy hour over there and play that horse racing game. (if it still exists)

Back on topic; UVA broke my heart Sunday night after losing to GT in overtime. Geesh...

[NCskinsfanatic]

I know this thread is about college bball but if you like Jr college ball you guys should check out my team sometime...NC State :banghead:

[RedskinRyan]

I know this thread is about college bball but if you like Jr college ball you guys should check out my team sometime...NC State :banghead:

Hahahaha

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=280302306

Kansas State is putting together quite a season. Beat Kansas tonight.

[MPCSkins]

Hahahaha

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=280302306

Kansas State is putting together quite a season. Beat Kansas tonight.

Good God!!! 24 year home court losing streak ended tonight. Pretty impressive. They could make an alright run in the tourney but I don't think they're a team to worry about.

[Keino]

Back on topic; UVA broke my heart Sunday night after losing to GT in overtime. Geesh...

Doesn't look good for the Hoos. I would give you a bunch of crap for last night, but I actually feel bad for UVA. Tough start in conference play.

[dj_stouty]

Doesn't look good for the Hoos. I would give you a bunch of crap for last night, but I actually feel bad for UVA. Tough start in conference play.

Guess I should put away the broom. ;)

Its been a while since the Terps beat UVA in any major college sport, but they did so last night in convincing fashion. Congrats on the win. Seems like the Terps are turning things around at the right time while UVA is going in the opposite direction.

NIT here we come!

[Patrick]

Guess I should put away the broom. ;)

Its been a while since the Terps beat UVA in any major college sport, but they did so last night in convincing fashion. Congrats on the win. Seems like the Terps are turning things around at the right time while UVA is going in the opposite direction.

NIT here we come!

Time will tell .......... The win would have ment more IMO if VA was at full strength and players not nursing injuries.

[RedskinsDave]

So at halftime last night when UNC-R was up by 9, I told someone Duke would win by 20. I am the smertist person ever.

[Keino]

So at halftime last night when UNC-R was up by 9, I told someone Duke would win by 20. I am the smertist person ever.

It doesn't take much brains to figure out that the refs will make sure Duke is in the game. ;)

[CarMike]

dooks latest practice caught on tape!!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we9_CdNPuJg)

practice turns to game.... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0upQDkY-pg)

[Patrick]

OK Heel fans ............. Again in your house ...... What's up with your team?
Duke Fans .......... You ain't gettin any love from me either. You must have paid the ref's extra or something ........
Sorry Mike!


OH almost forgot ............... Nice Win Terps. Way to get one back over BC!

[The Skinsinator]

OK Heel fans ............. Again in your house ...... What's up with your team?They aren't that great defensively and Lawson was out against Duke. We're still 21-2 and at worst we get a #2 seed.

[RedskinsDave]

All these UNC fans here and only one acknowledges the loss. :)

[44FAN]

Georgetown v Louisville should be a good one tonight.

[44FAN]

Rick Pitino looks like Col. Sanders :D

[SkinsKY]

Rick Pitino looks like Col. Sanders :D

I was at a bar watching the game and thought the exact same thing. It was ridiculous.

[Patrick]

Nice win by the Terps Saturday but they'll have their work cut out for them this week ......... Duke ........ nothing like playing against 5 + 3 down their. Hopefully the Terps will be able to keep their heads into the game for two half's this time.

Tar Heels pull out a close one last night ............... Clemson, too bad but you just can't win in that house! Heck of a game though. Wouldn't be surprise to see another rematch AGAIN this season.

[dj_stouty]

Can someone wake me up when its college football season again? Oh nevermind...I just remembered UVA lost its starting QB and DE for next year and they open the season versus USC. Wake me up a few years, please...

[Patrick]

Can someone wake me up when its college football season again? Oh nevermind...I just remembered UVA lost its starting QB and DE for next year and they open the season versus USC. Wake me up a few years, please...

Heard that Friday on the DOC Walker show.
I'm impressed, way to step up and play with the big boys UVA.

[SkinsKY]

Well, dreaming about making the tourney was nice while it lasted.

[Keino]

Can someone wake me up when its college football season again? Oh nevermind...I just remembered UVA lost its starting QB and DE for next year and they open the season versus USC. Wake me up a few years, please...

LMAO. Man, it's a good thing you are a friend, otherwise I would be like White and you would be like Rice and I would be all over you......BUT, as I keep saying, I don't HATE UVA, just MD bashing from UVA fans.

[dj_stouty]

Well, dreaming about making the tourney was nice while it lasted.

I'll see you in the NIT; or maybe not. Do they have a tournament for the worst teams? lol

UVA lost to UNC by one point last night. Grrrrr. They actually showed up and played a tough fought game...and hung with the Tar Heels most of the night...but this loss will be a tough one emotionally. Its all downhill from here, I'm afraid. If anything good comes out of his abismal season is the fact that it will be easier to get b'ball tickets for the rest of their homegames. Ugh.

I'll have to fall back on rooting for UCONN (my childhood favorite) and all the local VA teams except VT. (VCU, GMU, UR...etc) Speaking of VCU, they look really strong this season. If the roads aren't too bad tonight, I may go drive over and watch them beat up on JMU. Maynor is a fun player to watch.

[Keino]

I was at a bar watching the game and thought the exact same thing. It was ridiculous.


If you were at a bar, then you didn't hear the announcer say "Boss Boss, De Plane De Plane". I just about pissed myself.

Then proceeded to watch the Hoyas play the worst half of Basketball I have seen under JTIII.......

[dj_stouty]

LMAO. Man, it's a good thing you are a friend, otherwise I would be like White and you would be like Rice and I would be all over you......BUT, as I keep saying, I don't HATE UVA, just MD bashing from UVA fans.

Lol. Thanks.

You have to admit; I've been on my best behavior with your Terps the past few months...even after UVA beat them in football. And boy, what a game that was. *dreamy* Honestly, I've deflected some of my ill-feelings towards the Terps and place it directly on the Hokies. I just can't stand them. When UVA lost to VT in overtime last month in Blacksburgh, the crowd started chanting; "Just. Like. Football". Ugh. My blood was boiling.

But I'll take my "just desserts" if I have to. 1-9 in the ACC is terrible. Even "bad" UVA teams of the past didn't get off to those types of starts. Makes me think Singletary was wishing he was sitting pine one some NBA bench right now. Like I said in the above post...I'm pushing for a strong VCU showing in the tourney now that my boys are officially out.

[Keino]

It's no fun picking on them when they are bad. When they are mediocre and teetering on the edge of good....that's when it is fun. Im surprised by their rough start to be honest.

[dj_stouty]

It's no fun picking on them when they are bad. When they are very good and teetering on the edge of great....that's when it is fun. Im surprised by their rough start to be honest.

Fixed in bold. ;)

Sidenote: It looks like I'm definitely going to the VCU game tonight. Yipee! VCU lost to JMU earlier in the season so this is the payback game. I predict 26 by Maynor.

[Patrick]

Lol. Thanks.

You have to admit; I've been on my best behavior with your Terps the past few months...even after UVA beat them in football. And boy, what a game that was. *dreamy* Honestly, I've deflected some of my ill-feelings towards the Terps and place it directly on the Hokies. I just can't stand them. When UVA lost to VT in overtime last month in Blacksburgh, the crowd started chanting; "Just. Like. Football". Ugh. My blood was boiling.

But I'll take my "just desserts" if I have to. 1-9 in the ACC is terrible. Even "bad" UVA teams of the past didn't get off to those types of starts. Makes me think Singletary was wishing he was sitting pine one some NBA bench right now. Like I said in the above post...I'm pushing for a strong VCU showing in the tourney now that my boys are officially out.

UVA been playing with a handicap all season. If they were completely healthy they wouldn't be 1-9. ........... And then there is the ACC tournament - a whole new season. Not too late for the Cav's to get some momentum heading into it.

[skinfanjon]

We're gonna beat the Zorn outta Duke!!

[RedskinsDave]

We're gonna beat the Zorn outta Duke!!

Uh, nope. That was a heckuva run taking it from 16 to 4.

[skinfanjon]

Uh, nope. That was a heckuva run taking it from 16 to 4.

Actually, we got it down to 2 but couldn't finish the deal.

That first half was the worst we've played since the Wake game several weeks ago. Just totally sloppy on both ends of the floor and mental mistakes galore. We played very well in the second half, but its hard to beat two teams. Yeah, that's right, I'm talking about the refs. Its no coincidence that we lost by 12 and Duke attempted 13 more free throws than us. Not to mention, a lot of the no calls lead directly to quick baskets by Duke on the other end.

Ultimately, I blame our guys for not being ready from the opening tip, but the reffing was totally one-sided.

And is it too much to ask to freaking keep a man in Singler and Paulus' face? I guess so. WAYYYYYYY too many open looks for those two.

[Patrick]

Actually, we got it down to 2 but couldn't finish the deal.

That first half was the worst we've played since the Wake game several weeks ago. Just totally sloppy on both ends of the floor and mental mistakes galore. We played very well in the second half, but its hard to beat two teams. Yeah, that's right, I'm talking about the refs. Its no coincidence that we lost by 12 and Duke attempted 13 more free throws than us. Not to mention, a lot of the no calls lead directly to quick baskets by Duke on the other end.

Ultimately, I blame our guys for not being ready from the opening tip, but the reffing was totally one-sided.

And is it too much to ask to freaking keep a man in Singler and Paulus' face? I guess so. WAYYYYYYY too many open looks for those two.

That to me was a major reason for MD not staying with Duke ........ the other, not be able to finish those 12' and closer looks. Very frustrating!
Now the Terps have got to start a run again and it's got to be 4 or more games. Once again, backs to the wall.

[Patrick]

WTG Cavs ........... Like I said, not too late to make a push to get some MO going into the ACC. Couple more wins and NIT in my mind.

AND of course a big :) for the Terps....... NOW let's get it done against those Hokies.

[skinfanjon]

LOL @ Puke. Double digit loss to Wake?

[dj_stouty]

WTG Cavs ........... Like I said, not too late to make a push to get some MO going into the ACC. Couple more wins and NIT in my mind.

LOL. How would you like to be the team who got swept by the UVA team who didn't beat any other ACC opponent? It's still possible...

I do hope you are right about them making a push. Their next few games are winnable so we will see...

BTW - I did manage to go to the VCU vs. JMU game last Wednesday. Got 2 tickets for $5 bucks total. lol. Anway, it was a fun time and I recommend it to anyone in the area who is interested in seeing the best basketball being played in the state of Virginia right now...

[skinfanjon]

LOL. How would you like to be the team who got swept by the UVA team who didn't beat any other ACC opponent? It's still possible...

I do hope you are right about them making a push. Their next few games are winnable so we will see...

BTW - I did manage to go to the VCU vs. JMU game last Wednesday. Got 2 tickets for $5 bucks total. lol. Anway, it was a fun time and I recommend it to anyone in the area who is interested in seeing the best basketball being played in the state of Virginia right now...

Larry Saunders is the MAN!!! (If you dont' know him by name, he's the tall lanky kid on VCU wearing number 1 that probably had 27 blocks in that game, lol. Kid swats everything in the paint and he's only a freshman.

[Keino]

There's not a player in the country better than Mike Beasely.

[SkinsKY]

There's not a player in the country better than Mike Beasely.

Agreed. Beasley's amazing.

[Patrick]

Congrats to the the VaTech group ...... sweeping MD pretty impressive IMO.
Terps back on the bubble ..................... darn it!

[CarMike]

Congrats to the the VaTech group ...... sweeping MD pretty impressive IMO.
Terps back on the bubble ..................... darn it!

Impressive to sweep MD? lmao :) Just kidding Patrick.

What a weird season. UNC beats VT by 39, yet lose to MD who just lost to VT. Whacko

[RedskinsDave]

The final score of the Duke game doesn't do justice for how badly they played. I am actually glad they are falling a little because it's never their fault when the polls rank them too high and then people bleat about if they get a high seed and don't make the final four. I never thought they were the 2nd best team in the country. They are probably in the 10-12 range.

[CarMike]

The final score of the Duke game doesn't do justice for how badly they played. I am actually glad they are falling a little because it's never their fault when the polls rank them too high and then people bleat about if they get a high seed and don't make the final four. I never thought they were the 2nd best team in the country. They are probably in the 10-12 range.

But they do have a lot of talent. They have 8 fast food guys on the team. What they lack is a true inside threat. Live by the 3, lose by the 3.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Congrats to UNC Mike...guess I'm going to be a few games off from my 18-12 prediction seeing as how we are 15-11 now. Geesh, I hope sydney finds a backcourt between now and next season.

[Keino]

Congrats to the the VaTech group ...... sweeping MD pretty impressive IMO.
Terps back on the bubble ..................... darn it!

Losing to them at home really really hurts. I was oh so ready to give the Dookies in my office the blues, but......

[skinfanjon]

Congrats to the the VaTech group ...... sweeping MD pretty impressive IMO.
Terps back on the bubble ..................... darn it!

I was at the game last night, you wouldn't believe how many students are convinced we're going to the NIT. We are not even on the bubble yet. The ACC always gets a minimum of five teams, usually six. They would have to lose the next two as well to fall that far.

Overall, this team just can't figure itself out. They play as well as anybody for long stretches, then look like the worst team in the conference. Baffling.

2 stats jump out from last night: 6-14 at the free throw line, and 18 turnovers. You do that on the same night you're probably gonna lose.

[MPCSkins]

I was at the game last night, you wouldn't believe how many students are convinced we're going to the NIT. We are not even on the bubble yet. The ACC always gets a minimum of five teams, usually six. They would have to lose the next two as well to fall that far.

Overall, this team just can't figure itself out. They play as well as anybody for long stretches, then look like the worst team in the conference. Baffling.

2 stats jump out from last night: 6-14 at the free throw line, and 18 turnovers. You do that on the same night you're probably gonna lose.

I think we should be on the bubble right now just because the ACC is not strong at all this year, outside of Duke and UNC. I think we have a shot at making the tournament finishing 2-2 but it would really help to win atleast 3 of them.

Looks like VT is our Miami from last year. Swept by an inferior team.

[skinfanjon]

I think we should be on the bubble right now just because the ACC is not strong at all this year, outside of Duke and UNC. I think we have a shot at making the tournament finishing 2-2 but it would really help to win atleast 3 of them.

Looks like VT is our Miami from last year. Swept by an inferior team.

It may seem like the ACC is weak, but it has the highest conference rpi in the country. LINK (http://www.kenpom.com/confrank.php?y=2008)

No way are we on the bubble, not even close yet. If they lose 3 out of the last 4, then they'll have to do something in the Conference touney, but right now its fine. Even 2-2 will get us in, as long as we don't go one and done in the conference tourney. We're tied for third in the toughest conference in the country (rpi), have a great tradition with national championship, and we have a signature win over UNC in their building when they were the number 1 team in the country. That's a stong resume'. Barring a total flame out down the stretch, the Terps are going to the tournament. Seeding, however, is another story. After last night, we probably dropped to an 8-10 seed. A strong close to the season and a very good showing in the conference tourney could still get us up to the 5-7 range depending how the rest of the country plays out.

There's really no suspense here, there is a long standing precedent for how teams are handled in the ACC. 9-7 and you're in. 8-8 with a tourney win gets you to the Dance. Sometimes, 7-9 with a tourney win is enough, but probably not this year because its a strong year for mid majors.

Besides, does anyone think we're not going to win at least two of the next four games?

[Keino]

2 years ago FL State went 9-7 in the ACC, won 21 games and did not make the tourney.

We are firmly on the Bubble gents, there's no doubt about it. We need to be at least 20 wins entering the ACC Tourney to have a shot. Our RPI was 49 headed into the Va Tech game. We have 1 quality win.

[CarMike]

2 years ago FL State went 9-7 in the ACC, won 21 games and did not make the tourney.

We are firmly on the Bubble gents, there's no doubt about it. We need to be at least 20 wins entering the ACC Tourney to have a shot. Our RPI was 49 headed into the Va Tech game. We have 1 quality win.

Only difference being is perception that Maryland is a "basketball" school and FSU is a "football school.

Being in 3rd place in the ACC all but guarantees MD a place amongst the 65 teams.

[Keino]

They are tied for 3rd right now with Clemson and are in no way guaranteed to finish their.

They have remaining games against:

@Miami
@Wake (who is 1/2 game behind MD)
vs Clemson
@ UVA

They are better than all of the road teams they face but could lose to them as easily as they can beat them. Clemson is tied with them for 3rd place.

Maryland basically has to win out to be guaranteed anything post-season related. That would put them at 21-10 and 11-5 in the ACC.

We are on the Bubble with one loss.

[skinfanjon]

2 years ago FL State went 9-7 in the ACC, won 21 games and did not make the tourney.

We are firmly on the Bubble gents, there's no doubt about it. We need to be at least 20 wins entering the ACC Tourney to have a shot. Our RPI was 49 headed into the Va Tech game. We have 1 quality win.

All right, I did some research on this after I posted last night, here's what I've got.

3 teams have finished 9-7 in the ACC since the 02-03 season: 06 FSU, 04 Wake, and 04 GT. Only FSU was left out and it cased quite a stir when it happened, both in the media and among coaches. That particular year, the ACC was 3rd in conference rpi, this year they're 1st.

During the same period of time, 6 teams have finished 8-8: 07 GT, 07 Duke, 06 UMD, 05 VT, 05 GT, 04 UNC. Only the 06 Terps and the 05 Hokies were left out, both after losing in the quarterfinals of the ACC tournament. A trip to the semi's likely would have puched their ticket.

I wanted to go back into the 90's, but for some reason I couldn't find final ACC standings beyond 02-03. I tried a ton of searches and got nothing. Ridiculous.

I was able to find NCAA tourney backets back as far as I wanted, so I tallied the representatives of the ACC back to 1990. Here's what I got:

2007: 7 teams (seeded 1,4,4,5,6,7,10)
2006: 4 teams (seeded 1,3,4,10)
2005: 5 teams (seeded 1,1,2,5,10)
2004: 6 teams (seeded 1,3,3,4,4,6)
2003: 4 teams (seeded 2,3,6,9)
2002: 4 teams (seeded 1,1,7,7)
2001: 6 teams (seeded 1,2,3,5,7,8)
2000: 3 teams (seeded 1,3,8)
1999: 3 teams (seeded 1,2,3)
1998: 5 teams (seeded 1,1,4,6,12)
1997: 6 teams (seeded 1,2,3,4,5,9)
1996: 6 teams (seeded 2,3,6,7,8,9)
1995: 4 teams (seeded 1,2,3,4)
1994: 5 teams (seeded 1,2,5,7,10)
1993: 6 teams (seeded 1,3,3,4,5,6)
1992: 5 teams (seeded 1,3,4,7,9)
1991: 7 teams (seeded 1,2,5,6,7,7,8)
1990: 5 teams (seeded 3,4,5,7,8)

FSU joined began ACC play in 1992 bringing the league to 9, Miami and VT began play in 2005, bringing the league to 11, and BC joined in 06 to bring the total to 12.

In years with 8 conference members: 5 and 7 teams in the dance
In years with 9 conference members: 5,6,5,4,6,6,6,3,3,6,4,4,6 teams
made the dance
in years with 11 conference members: 5 teams made the dance
in years with 12 conference members: 4 and 7 teams made the dance

So, to recap: Having only 1/4 of the league represented (06) is a total abberation. The committee probably took this into account when naming 7 teams last year. FSU got screwed, plain and simple. There's no way they could get away with doing that to Maryland, though. We have much more tradition.

They are tied for 3rd right now with Clemson and are in no way guaranteed to finish their.

They have remaining games against:

@Miami
@Wake (who is 1/2 game behind MD)
vs Clemson
@ UVA

They are better than all of the road teams they face but could lose to them as easily as they can beat them. Clemson is tied with them for 3rd place.

Maryland basically has to win out to be guaranteed anything post-season related. That would put them at 21-10 and 11-5 in the ACC.

We are on the Bubble with one loss.

So, you're saying 10-6 isn't a lock? They would have to lay a SERIOUS egg in the conference tournament to not get in with a 10-6 ACC record. That record would have to be good for at least 4th place, most likely 3rd (Clemson would have to go 3-1 with a win over us at our place).

Perhaps I overstated it by saying we're nowhere near the bubble, but if the tournament sarted today, we would be in, no problem. Things can change certainly, but I can't envision us going worse than 2-2 down the stretch and we'll probably go 3-1. As I said before, 2-2 might require a conference tourney win, 3-1 would be a lock barring like a 30-40 point quarterfinal loss.

One final point: I only have the conference RPI data for the past five seasons, but during those years, the Acc has finished 1st three times and
3rd twice. The three years we were 1st, the ACC had 5, 6, and 7 teams in the Dance. The two years we were 3rd, we had 4 teams each year.

Once again, the ACC is 1st in RPI- all signs point to a minimum of 5 teams making the tournament. My guess is we get only five including Duke, UNC, UMD, and Clemson, with one spot up for grabs.

[Keino]

If we lose to Wake and Clemson, which is entirely possible, then we are looking at no better than 5th place in the ACC.

[skinfanjon]

If we lose to Wake and Clemson, which is entirely possible, then we are looking at no better than 5th place in the ACC.

Wake still has three road games, including UNC tomorrow. I doubt they catch us in the standings, things would have to go just about perfectly for them for that to happen.

Odds are Clemson and Mayland make the tournament and whichever team separates from the pack will be the fifth. I seriously doubt we get six this year, unless two teams off the radar manage to make the conference championship NC State style.

[CarMike]

Wake still has three road games, including UNC tomorrow.
And, word out of Chapel Hill is that T. Lawson will return to action tomorrow night. Which should be good news for Maryland fans.

[skinfanjon]

All right, now its time to get worried. The Wake game is HUGE. We're still in okay position if we get a win in Winston-Salem.

[WarEagle]

What an exciting finish to the Miss State - South Carolina game! MSU had to sink 3 freethrows with no time remaining to tie the game. The MSU player had ice water in his veins and sunk them all. I've never seen that before. They went to OT and the Bulldogs prevailed in front of a stunned Gamecock crowd. wow!

[PennSkinsFan]

VOLS the NUMBER 1 team in the Nation!

[dj_stouty]

Huge bracketbreaker win for VCU on the road over Akron. They are starting to make a case for themselves just in case they dont' win the CAA tourney. Skinfanjon - Larry Sanders is a freaking beast. He is 6'9 but plays like a 7+ footer. They said his wingspan is something crazy like 7'5". He had NINE blocks in yesterday's win and he comes off the bench. lol

Thanks to a leaky roof, UVA's game @ GT was postponed...meaning they will play 4 games over the next 9 days. Either that brisk schedule kills their energy, or they get some momentum going into the ACC tourney. No matter...I don't think much can save this horrible season.

[skinfanjon]

Huge bracketbreaker win for VCU on the road over Akron. They are starting to make a case for themselves just in case they dont' win the CAA tourney. Skinfanjon - Larry Sanders is a freaking beast. He is 6'9 but plays like a 7+ footer. They said his wingspan is something crazy like 7'5". He had NINE blocks in yesterday's win and he comes off the bench. lol

Thanks to a leaky roof, UVA's game @ GT was postponed...meaning they will play 4 games over the next 9 days. Either that brisk schedule kills their energy, or they get some momentum going into the ACC tourney. No matter...I don't think much can save this horrible season.

Yeah, I watched that VCU game yesterday too. I gotta say, that was just typical Larry, lol. Right now he's extremely one deminsional, but if he can put on some weight and learn that technical side of the game, over the next season or two, look out. I was still a VCU student until January, so I got to see him live for a full semester. It took about five minuets for him to become my favorite player.

The guy is I think 6th in the country in blocks and he averages about 15 minutes per game...unbelieveable.

[skinfanjon]

By the way, the students call him, "The Colonel".

[SkinsKY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_3ml_n3-rA&e

I know there's a person in there, but I couldn't help but laugh.

[skinfanjon]

Huge ACC game tonight....Let's go TERPS!!!!

[MPCSkins]

Big win. We're still very much on the bubble and need to end the season on a high note.

[skinfanjon]

Big win. We're still very much on the bubble and need to end the season on a high note.

Yeah, but looking much better now. Sunday is very important as well, cant afford a let down.

What was up with Osby tonight? He was terrible! He looked distracted and just plain out of it the whole time.

[Patrick]

Yeah, but looking much better now. Sunday is very important as well, cant afford a let down.

What was up with Osby tonight? He was terrible! He looked distracted and just plain out of it the whole time.

Ummmm, you better keep holding your breath and hope they WIN both games.
The selection committee is putting an emphasis on the last twelve games in addition to power #'s, records, and all that other stuff (who knows?) ..... Maryland's only chance to make the NCAA's is to win the last two. If they lose one - then they would need to counter with a win (maybe two) in the ACC tournment............. Don't care if Sunday's game is Senior Day - Clemson is NOT going to roll over - they are a very tough team.

[skinfanjon]

Ummmm, you better keep holding your breath and hope they WIN both games.
The selection committee is putting an emphasis on the last twelve games in addition to power #'s, records, and all that other stuff (who knows?) ..... Maryland's only chance to make the NCAA's is to win the last two. If they lose one - then they would need to counter with a win (maybe two) in the ACC tournment............. Don't care if Sunday's game is Senior Day - Clemson is NOT going to roll over - they are a very tough team.

ummmmm, I'm pretty sure I said it was very important, didn't I?

[Keino]

Ummmm, you better keep holding your breath and hope they WIN both games.
The selection committee is putting an emphasis on the last twelve games in addition to power #'s, records, and all that other stuff (who knows?) ..... Maryland's only chance to make the NCAA's is to win the last two. If they lose one - then they would need to counter with a win (maybe two) in the ACC tournment............. Don't care if Sunday's game is Senior Day - Clemson is NOT going to roll over - they are a very tough team.

These last 2 are must wins. We have to be at 20 wins headed into the ACC tourney, or we are going to be a high seeded NIT team.....

[SkinsKY]

A Patterson-less Kentucky just took Tennessee to the brink and almost pulled it out. Great, great effort from our boys. They've shown a lot this year despite constant injuries to our most important players.

[Patrick]

A Patterson-less Kentucky just took Tennessee to the brink and almost pulled it out. Great, great effort from our boys. They've shown a lot this year despite constant injuries to our most important players.

Agree........thought your Cats were going to pull it out. Good Game!

[SkinsKY]

Agree........thought your Cats were going to pull it out. Good Game!


I really did too. Derrick Jasper nearly had a triple double (10-8-8) and we played most of the night without Crawford because some touchy calls sent him to the bench early. I think that even despite the lack of success we've had this year, this has become one of my favorite teams. Tons of heart. Plus, we never slipped as low as that 8-22 UNC team like I feared we might.

[Keino]

Losing to Clemson at home has just killed us. Ridiculous. We have to make serious noise in the ACC tourney to have a chance.

[skinfanjon]

Losing to Clemson at home has just killed us. Ridiculous. We have to make serious noise in the ACC tourney to have a chance.

Especially in that fashion. Blowing a 20 point second half lead? Inexcusable. It felt like I was re-living the Redskins season all over again. I'll be waiting for that 4 game winning streak to make the tournament to begin anytime now.

On a side note- I am not blaming this loss on the officials, the Terps can only blame themselves, but there was one ref who was out to get us all night. This little mama's boy pansy looking jerk made countless blatantly bad calls in Clemson's favor all night long. I'm pretty fair in my judgement of calling a game- for instance I never even thought about complaining when Gist was blocked on the dunk attempt and landed hard on the floor, that was completely clean- and this guy was just awful. It was the worst job by a single official I've seen all year. Ultimately, it doesn't matter, we just blew it, but he really got under my skin.

[Patrick]

Losing to Clemson at home has just killed us. Ridiculous. We have to make serious noise in the ACC tourney to have a chance.

Couldn't agree more - and to be honest, anything less than winning the ACC, they don't belong in the NCAA this year.
Actually, I wouldn't be surprise if they didn't win another game this season (VA, ACC, NIT).

[Keino]

I had some work to do, plus I had to get my kids in bed, so I turned it off thinking "No way they blow this one, they are in control of this game" so when I am able, I turn the TV on and see that we lost 73-70. WTF?!?!?!

[Sean T RIP]

Go Terps.. We lost this game for the same reason we have lost close games all year we have no pg

[SkinsKY]

UK locks up the #2 spot (and a first round bye in the conference tourney) thanks to Alabama knocking off Vandy. That puts Vandy and the Vols on the other side of the bracket giving us a much easier road to a conference final. If we take care of business tomorrow against Florida, I think we're in and a good conference showing would help our seeding.

[RedskinRyan]

Gee, Dick Vitale has a new crush....on Matthew McCounagahy? However you spell it.

[The Skinsinator]

Different game with Lawson folks:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/gamecast?gameId=280680150

Deal with it Coach K.

[CarMike]

.....

[smoot]

Go Terps.. We lost this game for the same reason we have lost close games all year we have no pg
dumbest analysis i've seen...

you realize vasquez has carried the team through a good stretch of the year right? you can thank hayes and milbourne for contributing nothing in this game

[The Skinsinator]

.....That dunk was so nasty. Green really had a super game last night and is a perfect example of UNC's depth.

[MPCSkins]

dumbest analysis i've seen...

you realize vasquez has carried the team through a good stretch of the year right? you can thank hayes and milbourne for contributing nothing in this game

Yeah. Hayes is normally calm but he seemed real rattled this game and kept making dumb turnovers.

[skinfanjon]

dumbest analysis i've seen...

you realize vasquez has carried the team through a good stretch of the year right? you can thank hayes and milbourne for contributing nothing in this game

I don't know, I agree with him to an extent. Vasquez has definitely carried the team on his back (where Gist is at times I have no idea) but I don't like him as the primary ball handler, especially late in games. He has good vision of the floor, but he makes way too many careless mistakes that lead to turnovers. If we had a true point guard who could beat the press and run the offense in the last five minutes, we'd be a much better team overall.

Bowie has provided a spark off the bench with a lot of energy, but he's not the ball handler we need. Neither is Hayes, he get's overwhelmed too easily. You're right to blame Landon and Eric for not contributing against Clemson, but all the turnovers in the backcourt was what really let them back in the game.

I'm typing this while watching UVA knock us off the bubble. The way we finished the year, I think anything short of advancing to the ACC championship game will send us to the NIT. And there's absolutely no reason to expect to suddenly string 3 tough wins together.

[Patrick]

Congrat to the Cav's for beating MD. The only team the Terps seem to be able to beat right now is themselves.
See you in the NIT ............... maybe.

[RedskinsDave]

Different game with Lawson folks:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/gamecast?gameId=280680150

Deal with it Coach K.

If only Roy had hald the coaching skills, his team would be undefeated. Alas, he doesn't.

UNC is the better team with the better talent, especially inside and they play really close. If one or two of the calls UNC got or the ones that weren't made went Duke's way, they would have swept the season.

I can't wait until some stupid team drafts Hanbrough in the NBA and he gets slapped around like the clown he is.

[CarMike]

If only Roy had hald the coaching skills, his team would be undefeated. Alas, he doesn't.

UNC is the better team with the better talent, especially inside and they play really close. If one or two of the calls UNC got or the ones that weren't made went Duke's way, they would have swept the season.

I can't wait until some stupid team drafts Hanbrough in the NBA and he gets slapped around like the clown he is.

Like so many dookies have in their pro careers? [just to name one, Josh McRoberts]

Don't believe what DSPN tries to tell everyone. dook has 8 burger boys on their team. Its not Roys fault krat decides not to play his depth.

Dooks talent level is well beyond UNC's. Roys just the better coach.

Dave, why does Wojo coach the "bigs" for dook? Seems like that's just one of the k's short comings as a coach. And when will he ever play a road game in a OOC teams home court? Just wondering.

[Keino]

Dave, I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of Hansbrough. The kid has talent and will likely have a nice pro-career. He's tough, physical and can finish with contact-----plus he hits his free throws. And it's not like he's a tweener, the guy is a legit NBA 4 with his size and skills.


Smoot - The fact of the matter is, down the stretch, PG play has hurt the Terps. Sure Vasquez carried the team through stretches by scoring, but PGs run the team and take control of things in a calming way, and Vasquez can get OC a lot. I blame the last 2 losses on Gary though.

[smoot]

I don't know, I agree with him to an extent. Vasquez has definitely carried the team on his back (where Gist is at times I have no idea) but I don't like him as the primary ball handler, especially late in games. He has good vision of the floor, but he makes way too many careless mistakes that lead to turnovers. If we had a true point guard who could beat the press and run the offense in the last five minutes, we'd be a much better team overall.

Bowie has provided a spark off the bench with a lot of energy, but he's not the ball handler we need. Neither is Hayes, he get's overwhelmed too easily. You're right to blame Landon and Eric for not contributing against Clemson, but all the turnovers in the backcourt was what really let them back in the game.

I'm typing this while watching UVA knock us off the bubble. The way we finished the year, I think anything short of advancing to the ACC championship game will send us to the NIT. And there's absolutely no reason to expect to suddenly string 3 tough wins together.

i can agree with this, Vasquez at any given time is our best and worst player on the court. However, without him we would struggle to win 4 games in ACC play.

just some foot for thought: in the last month, these are Eric Hayes stats-
34 min/gm
39% FG
8.6 pts/gm
2.0 asst/gm
2.9 to/gm
And that doesn't factor in his defense. This from our starting shooting guard.

Couple this with Milbourne's inexplicable disappearance lately (both offensively and with miserable defense), Gists absences for long periods of time, and Osby playing with the Flu...and our best lineup lately has been: Vasquez-Bowie-Tucker-JG/BO-Burney.

[smoot]

Smoot - The fact of the matter is, down the stretch, PG play has hurt the Terps. Sure Vasquez carried the team through stretches by scoring, but PGs run the team and take control of things in a calming way, and Vasquez can get OC a lot. I blame the last 2 losses on Gary though.

i wont argue with this, playing Neal against uva was inexcusable, it absolutely killed us

[RedskinsDave]

Like so many dookies have in their pro careers? [just to name one, Josh McRoberts]

Don't believe what DSPN tries to tell everyone. dook has 8 burger boys on their team. Its not Roys fault krat decides not to play his depth.

Dooks talent level is well beyond UNC's. Roys just the better coach.

No chance you actually believe that. Who are the big guys?

Dave, why does Wojo coach the "bigs" for dook? Seems like that's just one of the k's short comings as a coach. And when will he ever play a road game in a OOC teams home court? Just wondering.

Why does it matter which guys Wojo coaches? If a guy played forward can he only coach forwards? They have to know the whole game and I am sure Wojo does since he's smart guy.

[dj_stouty]

Well, last night's game was one of the few enjoyable ones for me this season. It was great to see Singletary eclipse 2,000 total points in front of the home crowd. He is only 1 of 39 players in ACC history to hit 2,000 points.

UMD played hard up until the last 5-6 minutes and then they seemed to quit. Not sure why Gary lost control of them, but they just seemed out of it. UVA played as if they had nothing to lose and everything to celebrate (Singletary's last home game + record) and they certainly did feed off the crowd.

Unfortunately VCU lost in the CAA tournament last night, so they are officially on the bubble. They managed to beat Maryland earlier in the year so hopefully that will help their fight for a bid. The good news is that a virginia-based team will make the Big Dance, as William & Mary faces George Mason in the CAA finals tonight here in Richmond. I'm pulling for Mason as they are clearly the better team and will represent well. I could care less about VPISU, so I'd just as much prefer them to go to the NIT.

[skinfanjon]

i can agree with this, Vasquez at any given time is our best and worst player on the court. However, without him we would struggle to with 4 games in ACC play.


Agreed completely. They just need a true point guard, someone who can settle the team down and not make crucial turnovers. Vasquez, for all his unique talents, is not that player.

just some foot for thought: in the last month, these are Eric Hayes stats-
34 min/gm
39% FG
8.6 pts/gm
2.0 asst/gm
2.9 to/gm
And that doesn't factor in his defense. This from our starting shooting guard.


I think Hayes is technically the starting PG, John Paxson style, but it doesn't matter. He can only do one particuarly well, and that's knock down wide open threes. Beyond that, he's completely useless. No defense at all, can't figure out how to beat a trap, can't penetrate, and doesn't even see the floor very well. Bowie should be getting those 34 minutes. He's got plenty of holes in his game as well, but at least he can score. He also runs the break better than anyone on the team, including Vasquez.

Couple this with Milbourne's inexplicable disappearance lately (both offensively and with miserable defense), Gists absences for long periods of time, and Osby playing with the Flu...and our best lineup lately has been: Vasquez-Bowie-Tucker-JG/BO-Burney.

Yeah, just when I started to get excitedabout Milbourne, he turned to poo. I have absolutely no idea what Gist's problem is. He's got an NBA body to go with nice talent, but he gets caught up watching Vasquez too much. He should have been much more assertive this year, especially once we went into our slide. And how they hell did he not know how many fouls he had last night? That's flat out inexcusable.

I like Bowie and Tucker, and Burney has flashed potential at times, but this team is going to really struggle next year, I think. Its gonna be the Vasquez show all year, and while he piles up ridiculous stats, that most likely isn't the best thing for this team. Hopefully, MIlbourne or Bowie can make big strides in the offseason, or its going to be a long year.

[skinfanjon]

Dave, I couldn't disagree more with your assessment of Hansbrough. The kid has talent and will likely have a nice pro-career. He's tough, physical and can finish with contact-----plus he hits his free throws. And it's not like he's a tweener, the guy is a legit NBA 4 with his size and skills.


The only problem with Hansbrough is he doesn't play above the rim. To me, he's a more talented David Lee, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. His heart will earn him minutes no matter what, there's no one who plays harder than Tyler, but he could have some problems with the more athletic 4's in the league. They said the same things about Carlos Boozer, and he's doing fine. Of course, it doesn't hurt to have Deron Williams running the show for you either.

Smoot - The fact of the matter is, down the stretch, PG play has hurt the Terps. Sure Vasquez carried the team through stretches by scoring, but PGs run the team and take control of things in a calming way, and Vasquez can get OC a lot. I blame the last 2 losses on Gary though.

Just out of curiosity, why do you blame Gary?

[skinfanjon]

Well, last night's game was one of the few enjoyable ones for me this season. It was great to see Singletary eclipse 2,000 total points in front of the home crowd. He is only 1 of 39 players in ACC history to hit 2,000 points.

UMD played hard up until the last 5-6 minutes and then they seemed to quit. Not sure why Gary lost control of them, but they just seemed out of it. UVA played as if they had nothing to lose and everything to celebrate (Singletary's last home game + record) and they certainly did feed off the crowd.

Unfortunately VCU lost in the CAA tournament last night, so they are officially on the bubble. They managed to beat Maryland earlier in the year so hopefully that will help their fight for a bid. The good news is that a virginia-based team will make the Big Dance, as William & Mary faces George Mason in the CAA finals tonight here in Richmond. I'm pulling for Mason as they are clearly the better team and will represent well. I could care less about VPISU, so I'd just as much prefer them to go to the NIT.

Congrats to UVA, they looked good last night. I look forward to watching Singletary in the Association, I hope he has a nice career.

VCU is going to the dance, no way they don't get it. Their loss just cost them a decent seed and took away a spot from a team like Syracuse or Florida. Depnding on their opponent, I'll be picking them in my brackets again.

[smoot]

Agreed completely. They just need a true point guard, someone who can settle the team down and not make crucial turnovers. Vasquez, for all his unique talents, is not that player.

while it's true he's not a "true" point guard, he is a pg with an Allen Iverson'ish mindset. However, i prefer when he plays off ball at the 2 and Gary has him post up. However, we dont have another capable point guard who would enable that move.


I think Hayes is technically the starting PG, John Paxson style, but it doesn't matter.

he was at the beginning of the year when there was an open competition between him and Vasquez until the American game at which point Vasquez became the full time PG. I've since lost the exact figures but before that time, Hayes had the ball 35% of the time on our offensive possessions compared to Vasquez's 20%. After that time, Hayes' possession has dropped to 18% while Vasquez is around 38%.

He can only do one particuarly well, and that's knock down wide open threes. Beyond that, he's completely useless. No defense at all, can't figure out how to beat a trap, can't penetrate, and doesn't even see the floor very well. Bowie should be getting those 34 minutes. He's got plenty of holes in his game as well, but at least he can score. He also runs the break better than anyone on the team, including Vasquez.

i agree with you except for the bolded sentences. him being able to shoot the three is a common belief, mainly due to his ridiculous 70% three point percentage in high school. However...here are the numbers for his last group of games: 1-3 vs UVA, 1-4 vs Clemson, 3-8 vs Wake (the game we won, see the relation?) 1-3 vs VT, 2-6 vs FSU, and 1-4 vs Duke for a grand total of 9-28 and a 32.1% shooting percentage. while the percentage isnt terrible, if thats his only contribution he needs to be shooting much more

i have yet to see that he can score, he's put up decent scoring numbers in some games, but he cannot create his own shot, he cannot beat his man on the dribble, all he can do his hit the open jump shot. bowie at least shows the ability to get into the lane and finish in the paint. As to the break, i cant say...when was the last time we even ran a break?



Yeah, just when I started to get excitedabout Milbourne, he turned to poo. I have absolutely no idea what Gist's problem is. He's got an NBA body to go with nice talent, but he gets caught up watching Vasquez too much. He should have been much more assertive this year, especially once we went into our slide. And how they hell did he not know how many fouls he had last night? That's flat out inexcusable.

agreed

I like Bowie and Tucker, and Burney has flashed potential at times, but this team is going to really struggle next year, I think. Its gonna be the Vasquez show all year, and while he piles up ridiculous stats, that most likely isn't the best thing for this team. Hopefully, MIlbourne or Bowie can make big strides in the offseason, or its going to be a long year.

i disagree, this should be a better team next year than it is this year. losing gist and osby will hurt, but once gilchrist is eligible, i dont think we will see much of a drop off in post production, especially if we can get decent contributions from burney/walker/bowman at the 4. Combine that with the addition of Bobby Maze who brings us what we are currently lacking...speed and defense on the perimeter in addition to the ability to dribble drive. With Mosely coming off the bench as a true scoring threat and the continued progression of our current frosh/sophs, theres a strong possibility of a 10 win ACC season with this lineup (starter first followed by primary backup):

(assuming acc play with eligible Gilchrist)
1. Vasquez - Hayes
2. Maze - Bowie/Mosely
3. Milbourne/Tucker - Mosely
4. Bowman - Burney/Walker
5. Gilchrist - Dupree/Burney

i feel like i've forgotten somebody but i dont believe so

[skinfanjon]

while it's true he's not a "true" point guard, he is a pg with an Allen Iverson'ish mindset. However, i prefer when he plays off ball at the 2 and Gary has him post up. However, we dont have another capable point guard who would enable that move.


I'd much rather see him at the 2, I think it would free up the offense alot. We just don't have anyone who is capable of the PG play we need to make it possible.



he was at the beginning of the year when there was an open competition between him and Vasquez until the American game at which point Vasquez became the full time PG. I've since lost the exact figures but before that time, Hayes had the ball 35% of the time on our offensive possessions compared to Vasquez's 20%. After that time, Hayes' possession has dropped to 18% while Vasquez is around 38%.


Gotcha. So we have the smallest shooting guard in the land? Awesome.

i agree with you except for the bolded sentences. him being able to shoot the three is a common belief, mainly due to his ridiculous 70% three point percentage in high school. However...here are the numbers for his last group of games: 1-3 vs UVA, 1-4 vs Clemson, 3-8 vs Wake (the game we won, see the relation?) 1-3 vs VT, 2-6 vs FSU, and 1-4 vs Duke for a grand total of 9-28 and a 32.1% shooting percentage. while the percentage isnt terrible, if thats his only contribution he needs to be shooting much more


He hit 70% in High School? WTH? How is that even possible? I know he's been missing lots of threes lately, I guess I didn't really mean it as a compliment, lol.Since he is one diminsional, he needs to get that percentage closer to 40%.

i have yet to see that he can score, he's put up decent scoring numbers in some games, but he cannot create his own shot, he cannot beat his man on the dribble, all he can do his hit the open jump shot. bowie at least shows the ability to get into the lane and finish in the paint. As to the break, i cant say...when was the last time we even ran a break?




I was talking about Bowie. He's got sneaky athletic talent. He'll get out on the break and look like he's just gonna pull it out, then one dribble later he's at the rim finshing strong. I was very impressed with him on the break, but he needs more minutes.


i disagree, this should be a better team next year than it is this year. losing gist and osby will hurt, but once gilchrist is eligible, i dont think we will see much of a drop off in post production, especially if we can get decent contributions from burney/walker/bowman at the 4. Combine that with the addition of Bobby Maze who brings us what we are currently lacking...speed and defense on the perimeter in addition to the ability to dribble drive. With Mosely coming off the bench as a true scoring threat and the continued progression of our current frosh/sophs, theres a strong possibility of a 10 win ACC season with this lineup (starter first followed by primary backup):

(assuming acc play with eligible Gilchrist)
1. Vasquez - Hayes
2. Maze - Bowie/Mosely
3. Milbourne/Tucker - Mosely
4. Bowman - Burney/Walker
5. Gilchrist - Dupree/Burney

i feel like i've forgotten somebody but i dont believe so

I'll be totally honest, I don't know anything about Maze or Mosely and I've heard only a little about Gilchrist. If you have some info I'd appreciate a scouting report on any of them.

[dj_stouty]

Congrats to UVA, they looked good last night. I look forward to watching Singletary in the Association, I hope he has a nice career.

VCU is going to the dance, no way they don't get it. Their loss just cost them a decent seed and took away a spot from a team like Syracuse or Florida. Depnding on their opponent, I'll be picking them in my brackets again.

You think VCU is a lock? I keep hearing they are 50/50, and that a lot depends on how the tournies play out. I sure hope so. They have 24 wins and an RPI higher than UMD, VT and Florida. VCU will have to stand on their road wins at UMD and Akron (bracketbuster game) and hopefully that is good enough. Eric Maynor shines in the Big Dance and I think they could be another Cinderella canidate.

[skinfanjon]

You think VCU is a lock? I keep hearing they are 50/50, and that a lot depends on how the tournies play out. I sure hope so. They have 24 wins and an RPI higher than UMD, VT and Florida. VCU will have to stand on their road wins at UMD and Akron (bracketbuster game) and hopefully that is good enough. Eric Maynor shines in the Big Dance and I think they could be another Cinderella canidate.

Yeah, I consider them a lock, especially after what they did in the tourney last year. Knocking off Duke, playing Pitt into OT- they played two of the most exciting games of the tourney. They have the resume' this year to back it up and are fresh in the commitee's mind, I can't see them getting left out.

[smoot]

I'd much rather see him at the 2, I think it would free up the offense alot. We just don't have anyone who is capable of the PG play we need to make it possible.

pretty much word for word what i said, it's a shame too because he has looked fantastic coming off the curl at the the 2.

Gotcha. So we have the smallest shooting guard in the land? Awesome.

huh?

He hit 70% in High School? WTH? How is that even possible? I know he's been missing lots of threes lately, I guess I didn't really mean it as a compliment, lol.Since he is one diminsional, he needs to get that percentage closer to 40%.

im unable to find a link for you but the number was around 71/100 for his senior year. And im not even sure if we can call him one dimensional anymore if he cant even do that dimension well

I was talking about Bowie. He's got sneaky athletic talent. He'll get out on the break and look like he's just gonna pull it out, then one dribble later he's at the rim finshing strong. I was very impressed with him on the break, but he needs more minutes.

gotcha and agreed, i think bowie is our best player on the team at getting to the rim (even above vasquez who tends to fall away from the rim as he shoots). he's unbelievably fast

I'll be totally honest, I don't know anything about Maze or Mosely and I've heard only a little about Gilchrist. If you have some info I'd appreciate a scouting report on any of them.

Maze will be the fastest player on the team next year, he's a combo guard with solid handles and a fantastic ability to get to the rim while lacking a jumpshot. (think a more polished/bigger bowie). Also a tenacious defender, him and Bowman have helped to hold HCC opponents below 50% in every game this season.

Mosely is a bull of a guard, the kind of player who initiates contact and fights on the glass. a pure 2 with an incredible mid range game and ability to finish at the rim he's more of a scorer than a shooter. Still developing an outside shot, but he put up 35 points in the state championship game last week.

as for Gilchrist...he's been called "the savior" by many Maryland fans, i'm reserving judgement for now. incredibly polished inside game, theres a reason that he won mvp of the cap city classic over other players such as Jeff Allen and Anthony McClain

[SkinsKY]

VCU is going to the dance, no way they don't get it. Their loss just cost them a decent seed and took away a spot from a team like Syracuse or Florida. Depnding on their opponent, I'll be picking them in my brackets again.

This is what I don't understand. How is Florida even in the conversation of bubble teams? Say what you want about my Cats, who aren't the shiniest apple, but Florida has lost 6 of their last 9. They have one good win against Vandy, and that's it. An RPI in the high 60's doesn't help much either.

I do agree that Hansbrough won't be as successful in the pros. He's got a great skill set, and will have a good career, but not the kind where a team can lean on him to win. His motor will get him places, but he seems like he hit his ceiling a long time ago.

[skinfanjon]

pretty much word for word what i said, it's a shame too because he has looked fantastic coming off the curl at the the 2.


Just agreeing.

huh?


No way is he his listed height of 6'4. I've been sitting courtside most of the year, he's several inches shorter and plays even smaller.

im unable to find a link for you but the number was around 71/100 for his senior year. And im not even sure if we can call him one dimensional anymore if he cant even do that dimension well


Agreed, and that's ridiculous.


gotcha and agreed, i think bowie is our best player on the team at getting to the rim (even above vasquez who tends to fall away from the rim as he shoots). he's unbelievably fast


Bowie should have been starting since at least mid-January.

Maze will be the fastest player on the team next year, he's a combo guard with solid handles and a fantastic ability to get to the rim while lacking a jumpshot. (think a more polished/bigger bowie). Also a tenacious defender, him and Bowman have helped to hold HCC opponents below 50% in every game this season.

Mosely is a bull of a guard, the kind of player who initiates contact and fights on the glass. a pure 2 with an incredible mid range game and ability to finish at the rim he's more of a scorer than a shooter. Still developing an outside shot, but he put up 35 points in the state championship game last week.

as for Gilchrist...he's been called "the savior" by many Maryland fans, i'm reserving judgement for now. incredibly polished inside game, theres a reason that he won mvp of the cap city classic over other players such as Jeff Allen and Anthony McClain

Thanks man, nice report. What's Gilchrist's tempermant like? I felt like this team didn't have a mean streak outside of Vasquez. Maze and Mosley both sound like they fit the bill.

[skinfanjon]

This is what I don't understand. How is Florida even in the conversation of bubble teams? Say what you want about my Cats, who aren't the shiniest apple, but Florida has lost 6 of their last 9. They have one good win against Vandy, and that's it. An RPI in the high 60's doesn't help much either.

I have no idea, but I keep hearing their name come up. You're right, they shouldn't be in the conversation. Kentucky is a bubble team imo.

I do agree that Hansbrough won't be as successful in the pros. He's got a great skill set, and will have a good career, but not the kind where a team can lean on him to win. His motor will get him places, but he seems like he hit his ceiling a long time ago.

Agreed. I don't see him as an All-Star. A good solid player and a guy teams would love to have, but not a star.

[MPCSkins]

Just agreeing.




No way is he his listed height of 6'4. I've been sitting courtside most of the year, he's several inches shorter and plays even smaller.




Agreed, and that's ridiculous.





Bowie should have been starting since at least mid-January.



Thanks man, nice report. What's Gilchrist's tempermant like? I felt like this team didn't have a mean streak outside of Vasquez. Maze and Mosley both sound like they fit the bill.

Hayes is at least 6'3". I'm 6'3" and I've stood next to him before and felt that he had height on me.

His play has been awful lately since he's supposed to have the best shot on the team. And this talk about the kids coming in next year has got me excited as I feel pretty drained right now about this season. But if we can keep Gist and Boom out of foul trouble in the acc tourney, and we can start hitting jump shots again, then we have a shot to make a decent run. But I feel like that's asking too much of this team right now.

[smoot]

No way is he his listed height of 6'4. I've been sitting courtside most of the year, he's several inches shorter and plays even smaller.

i'd put money on him being 6'3 with a 5'11 wingspan

Thanks man, nice report. What's Gilchrist's tempermant like? I felt like this team didn't have a mean streak outside of Vasquez. Maze and Mosley both sound like they fit the bill.

Im not too familiar with Gilchrist's temperment...if i had to guess, i'd say he's a more passive than he is outspoken/emotional but i dont have any evidence to support that.

As for Maze and Mosely....Vasquez/Maze should be the most hated backcourt in the ACC by far

[skinfanjon]

i'd put money on him being 6'3 with a 5'11 wingspan

Maybe he's 6'3, but he plays like he's 5'7. He just stands around the permiter waiting for an open jump shot, which apparently he can only make 32% of the time.

Im not too familiar with Gilchrist's temperment...if i had to guess, i'd say he's a more passive than he is outspoken/emotional but i dont have any evidence to support that.

Ater having nice guy Gist, I'd like to see some ferocity in the post.

As for Maze and Mosely....Vasquez/Maze should be the most hated backcourt in the ACC by far

Nothing wrong with that, I hope they warn the title.

[Keino]

Ouch Dan Steinberg:

Terps vs Locals (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/03/terps_vs_the_locals.html)

[dj_stouty]

Ouch Dan Steinberg:

Terps vs Locals (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/03/terps_vs_the_locals.html)

Ouch is right. Talk about making a point...

[skinfanjon]

Ouch Dan Steinberg:

Terps vs Locals (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/03/terps_vs_the_locals.html)

One of the few "Bog" entries that actually makes sense...most of his stuff is in comprehensible. I find him rather irritating.