5-0 Or We Don't Go!

[Biggie]

Alright, the Redskins are 5-6 and 3-5 in the NFC. The Saints and Vikings both won big today and against NFC teams as well, so they're 4-3 and 3-5 in the conference, respectively. If the Cardinals beat San Fran, they'll be 6-5, and assuming the Eagles lose to the Patriots, they'll be 5-6 as well. Detroit is still 6-5.

So, if we expect to beat both Detroit and Arizona into the wild card spot, we can't seriously afford to drop another game. Every game counts even more than before, and we got out of this exact same spot just two years ago. Win out!

[joethefan]

We're not playing playoff type of football anyway....

IMO we're not even at full strength, anytime you don't use the preseason to really get ready, but we wait too late in the season to get things going in the first place.

most teams are at game speed by the 3rd game, we wait till almost game 6 to get things going....

once again for the 3rd year we're singing the same ole song.....

frustrating

[superskin]

Let the game counting begin. I long for the days when we counted up our own victories rather than everyone else's.

Ugh.

[Syllable]

We won't go 5-0 if Campbell continues to choke when the game is on the line.

[Lavar703]

Sorry but its not going to happen, that 05 team was light years better than this one, and much healthier also

[joethefan]

We won't go 5-0 if Campbell continues to choke when the game is on the line.

dude why don't you say the entire offense.....remember they scored off of our mistakes remember ...it's not all on Jason

we couldn't get 1 yard on 4th and 1 is that on Jason?

[colkurtz]

Not to be negative but I wonder if we can even win 2 out of the next five.

Either the offense or defense or coaches don't show up for the game. We play down for the bad teams or can't put teams away when we have them on the ropes.

This is an average to below average team going nowhere this season.

[Lavar703]

Not to be negative but I wonder if we can even win 2 out of the next five.

Either the offense or defense or coaches don't show up for the game. We play down for the bad teams or can't put teams away when we have them on the ropes.

This is an average to below average team going nowhere this season.

Sad But Oh so true

[Skaggsrules]

Alright, the Redskins are 5-6 and 3-5 in the NFC. The Saints and Vikings both won big today and against NFC teams as well, so they're 4-3 and 3-5 in the conference, respectively. If the Cardinals beat San Fran, they'll be 6-5, and assuming the Eagles lose to the Patriots, they'll be 5-6 as well. Detroit is still 6-5.

So, if we expect to beat both Detroit and Arizona into the wild card spot, we can't seriously afford to drop another game. Every game counts even more than before, and we got out of this exact same spot just two years ago. Win out!

I'm with you dude, unlike most people here, I do see the potential in the team to beat any team in football (well, not the Patriots, but that ship has sailed) The D is stepping up, and Jason Campbell is growing up still, he's finally allowed to make plays with his arm and I expected some bad things to happen, if it weren't for Campbell, were not in a place to take the lead the past two games. The offense is starting to click, guys are stepping up in McCardell and Caldwell...The D is solid, and we don't play great passing O's for a few weeks, so Taylor could get back before we play the G-men....I believe we can go 5-0, I don't know how many people here will show my seemingly more annoying, not up-lifting optimism....We're a game out right now behind a Lions team falling back to earth, which we own the tiebreaker (potentially the Cards too, but we own the tiebreaker too) Show some faith

[Biggie]

Hey, be negative. I'm usually negative myself. Nothing wrong with that.

Until we're mathematically eliminated, though, I'm not officially going to give up on this season. The Redskins team I saw in the second half today was a playoff team, and the fact that we weren't down 28-0 after fumbling four times is incredible.

[chris]

I think we can do it!! I think they showed more guts and heart today then they have all year...we are just as good or better then anyone else we have left to play. we just have to but it all together and not make silly mistakes like we did today...gibbs always seems to find a way and we always play best when we are down....I still think we have a chance!

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think we'll give it our best shot and fight our guts out but much like the last 3 weeks...we'll come up short. I think 8-8 is more likely this season and thats with a strong finish. This team doesnt want it bad enough, if they did they wouldnt have come out fumbling the game awayin the first quater...the early mistakes put us in a position to make late ones with the game in the balance. We shouldnt have had to drive 93 yards for the win, we should have played as well in the 1st half as we did in the 2nd. We lost because we do not play 4 quaters of football and to me that screams 8-8. Lets say we win the next two at home by some miracle, we then play at NYG, at MIN and then home against the Cowboys we could "possibly"win 2 of those...maybe. That would leave us 9-7 and needing a lot of luck and multiple losses by Det, Az, Min and NO. It could happen but we coulda drove to beat the cowboys and Bucs in the last couple of games too...and we didnt.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I had my doubts, but on the other hand, SF is beating Ariz. and Chi. is losing to Den. Maybe we only need 7 wins to go.:)

[Redskinmayhem]

I just don't know anymore...I see alot of positives but we keep making waaaay too many mistakes. We can't even play 60 minutes of football.

[colkurtz]

Hey, be negative. I'm usually negative myself. Nothing wrong with that.

Until we're mathematically eliminated, though, I'm not officially going to give up on this season. The Redskins team I saw in the second half today was a playoff team, and the fact that we weren't down 28-0 after fumbling four times is incredible.

I hope for the best for this team but we've just not shown too much spark or desire to win. This is an average at best team which is not well coached.

[44FAN]

Getting some players back will be nice. Sean Taylor and Randy Thomas amongst them. I saw more out of McCardell and Caldwell today than Moss all season long. Not sure when Thrash will come back but if ARE is out for some time we'll need to address the punt return duties. 5-0 is not out of the question but having some healthy bodies back would go along way into making it a reality.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Hey, be negative. I'm usually negative myself. Nothing wrong with that.

Until we're mathematically eliminated, though, I'm not officially going to give up on this season. The Redskins team I saw in the second half today was a playoff team, and the fact that we weren't down 28-0 after fumbling four times is incredible.
thats the why you have to be. if you have no hope, what do you have left?

[Lavar703]

thats the why you have to be. if you have no hope, what do you have left?

I have tons of hope, hope that we somehow end up with Darren McFadden LOL

[colkurtz]

I'd like to see Randy Thomas, ARE and ST back in the mix. We would be far better and more competitive. Also, I think Gibbs took the training wheels off of JC and Al saunders - including making some gutsy calls. That will help this team in the end.
The defense has a good game. There is hope and potential if we could just put it together in one game.

[CNYSkinFan]

We need a big win by San Fran today not to put us in real bad position. Lots of hope but we are going to be bunched up with a ton of 5-6 teams chasing one or two 6-5 teams. and a 7-4 team that might be slipping.

It is still anyone's race.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

We need a big win by San Fran today not to put us in real bad position. Lots of hope but we are going to be bunched up with a ton of 5-6 teams chasing one or two 6-5 teams. and a 7-4 team that might be slipping.

It is still anyone's race.
So, if the Bears win,the Cards win, and the Eagles miraculously win, can I just get a quick recap of all the possible permutations and who exactly we would have to root for/against in these next 5 weeks?




:D

[CNYSkinFan]

So, if the Bears win,the Cards win, and the Eagles miraculously win, can I just get a quick recap of all the possible permutations and who exactly we would have to root for/against in these next 5 weeks?




:D
The quick wrap up would be:

Win a game and Pray....pray..... and pray again

[OCSKINSFAN]

I did a quick calculation of odds of 5-0. Assuming a 60% chance of winning 4 of the games, and a 50% chance of beating the Cowboys, it works out to 1 in 15.

[CNYSkinFan]

I did a quick calculation of odds of 5-0. Assuming a 60% chance of winning 4 of the games, and a 50% chance of beating the Cowboys, it works out to 1 in 15.
those are generous oddss....I would say we are 50/50 on all of our remainign games, and the cowboys maybe 40% as it stands right now.

Most of the other teams we play will have a tied record as ours now or better, I don't see how we have a 60% chance of winning

[ImRickJamesB]

Alright, the Redskins are 5-6 and 3-5 in the NFC. The Saints and Vikings both won big today and against NFC teams as well, so they're 4-3 and 3-5 in the conference, respectively. If the Cardinals beat San Fran, they'll be 6-5, and assuming the Eagles lose to the Patriots, they'll be 5-6 as well. Detroit is still 6-5.

So, if we expect to beat both Detroit and Arizona into the wild card spot, we can't seriously afford to drop another game. Every game counts even more than before, and we got out of this exact same spot just two years ago. Win out!

I think the Saints (5-6) have as good a shot as anybody!

The Saints remaining schedule...........

vs. Tampa
@ Atlanta
vs. Arizona
vs. Philadelphia
@ Chicago

All of those are winnable games for the Saints.........

I think it'll be the Giants and Saints in the wild-card positions......

That said, I'd rather it be the Redskins...... The Saints are more dangerous (imo)........

[OCSKINSFAN]

those are generous oddss....I would say we are 50/50 on all of our remainign games, and the cowboys maybe 40% as it stands right now.

Most of the other teams we play will have a tied record as ours now or better, I don't see how we have a 60% chance of winning

I used those per game odds for a reason - even with those generous odds, the chances of 5-0 are only 1 in 15, which I think the optimists (as opposed to the realists) need to consider. If we were lucky enough to win say the next 3 games, then this conversation would become more interesting.

[PennSkinsFan]

Getting some players back will be nice. Sean Taylor and Randy Thomas amongst them. I saw more out of McCardell and Caldwell today than Moss all season long. Not sure when Thrash will come back but if ARE is out for some time we'll need to address the punt return duties. 5-0 is not out of the question but having some healthy bodies back would go along way into making it a reality.

Question I have is where was Caldwell the last 5 weeks?

[CNYSkinFan]

BTW BIG BIG Games going on right now.

Denver is up 27-20 on Chicago in a seesaw battle late in the third quarter

Cardinals are up 28-24 on 49ers in another game that has gone back and forth with 10 minutes to go in the 4th quarter

[44FAN]

Question I have is where was Caldwell the last 5 weeks?

Sitting on the bench watching Moss and Randle El? (and even Thrash)

I think both McCardell and Caldwell need to get alot of snaps in practice with the first team.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

BTW BIG BIG Games going on right now.

Denver is up 27-20 on Chicago in a seesaw battle late in the third quarter

Cardinals are up 28-24 on 49ers in another game that has gone back and forth with 10 minutes to go in the 4th quarter

Yeah. And Devin Hester has done it again.

[CNYSkinFan]

Yeah. And Devin Hester has done it again.
he is phenominal, but the broncos are driving to make it a 14 point lead now.

I am more worried that Sna fran turned over the ball on downs when inside FG range.

I would have kicked the FG there and got within one score no matter what AZ does.

[give_portis_the_rock]

5-0 or we don't go!
We are better than every potential NFC wild card!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

he is phenominal, but the broncos are driving to make it a 14 point lead now.

I am more worried that Sna fran turned over the ball on downs when inside FG range.

I would have kicked the FG there and got within one score no matter what AZ does.
Yeah, the Bears are real close to being finished.
And San Fran has it back.

[CNYSkinFan]

We need a SF win. I dont want to be chasing two teams ahead of us

[skinsfan36]

k so i did an anaylsis here here is everyone in wild card contentions remaining schedule
giants(7-4) bears,@eagles,skins,Bills,Pats
lions(6-5) @Vikes,cowpukes,@chargers,chiefs,@packers
Skins(5-6) bills,bears,@giants,@vikes,cowpukes
saints(5-6) bucs,@falcons,cards,eagles,@bears
eagles(5-6,they play new england) seahawks,giants,cowpukes,@saints,bills
cards(leading in 4th,5-5) browns,@seahawks,@saints,falcons,rams
vikes(5-6) lions,@49ers,bears,skins,@broncos

we still have achance the easiest schedule goes to new orleans so we need to win a tleast 9

[CNYSkinFan]

Chicago just went u0p by 14 with 10 minutes to go in the 4th.

[skinsfan36]

We need a SF win. I dont want to be chasing two teams ahead of us

agreed

[CarMike]

No way in SPENSORED do we go 5-0 to end the season. Never gonna happen. Sorry, i'm just being realistic here.

[CNYSkinFan]

San fran just went up by 3 with 1:15 to go....YAHOOOOO!!!!!!

[skinsfan36]

we need campbell to not have to win us games at the end because i just think he cant yet but we have a chance

[CNYSkinFan]

No way in SPENSORED do we go 5-0 to end the season. Never gonna happen. Sorry, i'm just being realistic here.
ironically 4-1 still may get us in...maybe even 3-2....

Noone wants to win these games right now

[SpicyMcHaggis]

ironically 4-1 still may get us in...maybe even 3-2....

Noone wants to win these games right now

4-1 with the loss coming against the Bills would give us a very good shot. Teams in the NFC are collapsing left and right.

[dogfight6]

Quess what? As long as Campbell is color blind durning the last 3 minutes in the game we are playing for draft position ,not playoffs!

[bjohns]

I may be a fan but I'm not blind...let's be real. I bet Vegas would give you better odds on 0-5 than 5-0. This team finds ever more creative ways to lose. The Patriots beat the 'skins. Every other L was earned by self-destruction. At least 0-5 gets a better draft pick position.

[skinsfan36]

damn the cards are on the 1 ughh!

[CNYSkinFan]

damn the cards are on the 1 ughh!
and the bears just blocksed a punt ugh

[CNYSkinFan]

bears just scored, are within 7 with 6:00 to go

[skinsfan36]

bears just scored, are within 7 with 6:00 to go

eww

[give_portis_the_rock]

Long FG attempt coming up...

[CNYSkinFan]

Long FG attempt coming up...
how did they get the ball off the 1...nfl.com is killing me

[give_portis_the_rock]

how did they get the ball off the 1...nfl.com is killing me

New look, but the same old NFL.com gamecenter :D

[skinsfan36]

46 yd fg attempt to tie for rackers

[skinsfan36]

how did they get the ball off the 1...nfl.com is killing me

long catch was not a catch per replay,damn rackers

[CNYSkinFan]

46 yd fg attempt to tie for rackers
come on coin flip!!!!!

[CNYSkinFan]

come on coin flip!!!!!
Denver has a first down with 4:00 left

[give_portis_the_rock]

come on coin flip!!!!!

Forget about it now
Alex Smith vs. Kurt Warner?
No way the Niners are gonna win this one, it's a miracle they managed to score this many with Smith under center :D
Edit -- wait is that Trent Dilfer quarterbacking the Niners? LoL that dude has played for every franchise in the NFL

[skinsfan36]

Forget about it now
Alex Smith vs. Kurt Warner?
No way the Niners are gonna win this one, it's a miracle they managed to score this many with Smith under center :D

dilfer is playing actually so its pretty fair

[CNYSkinFan]

Forget about it now
Alex Smith vs. Kurt Warner?
No way the Niners are gonna win this one, it's a miracle they managed to score this many with Smith under center :D
I believe Dilfer is playiong isn't he?

[CNYSkinFan]

I believe Dilfer is playiong isn't he?
I see Cardinals got the ball...yuck

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Somebody just throw a meteor on Phoenix Stadium. That game is driving me insane.

[CNYSkinFan]

bears will now have to punt with 3:30 left

[skinsfan36]

sf is self destructing facemasks and crap,if we dont make it i dont want the crappy cards or lions in!ugh

[CNYSkinFan]

bears will now have to punt with 3:30 left
make that 3:00, for some reason Chicago did not use their last timeout

[Meatsnack]

It takes a team to win games and we don't have one. We have games/halves/quarters where we are good on offense and games/halves/quarters when we are good on defense. The teams have been the most consistent unit but they get limited touches. We have a group of guys who take turns folding like lawnchairs when there is zero pressure on them. They don't even get to the point of playing in big games so they can't be said to choke becasue very little is on the line when they start hurking up chunks. Rhomo chokes because he waits until the playoffs to show what he is made of. McNabb chokes - and vomits. We can't even chew our damned food to get to the choking part.

I predicted we would go 7-1 in the second half and it is now looking a lot like 1-7 because our guys don't care enough about winning to get their heads in the game. Drops and fumbles are fundamental, mental errors and a clear indicatoro fo a lack of will and work-ethic. I am thoroughly disgusted with this group of clowns we depend on to run and catch the football. If the salary cap didn't make it out of the question I would cut Moss and Portis and Betts this off-season and start over with people who seem to care about winning.

[CNYSkinFan]

sf is self destructing facemasks and crap,if we dont make it i dont want the crappy cards or lions in!ugh
better descriptions for those of us out of market please?

[CNYSkinFan]

Bears at their own 35 with 2:58 and 1 timeout down by 7

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Wow. The Cards call a retarded screen on 3rd and 7 and will now have to punt.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Cards punting in OT.

[give_portis_the_rock]

Wow. The Cards call a retarded screen on 3rd and 7 and will now have to punt.

I love the Cards!
When they were in the East they gave us a guaranteed two wins a year, and now this! Thank you Cards! :)

[CNYSkinFan]

Wow. The Cards call a retarded screen on 3rd and 7 and will now have to punt.
awesome.

The bears just got lucky on 4th and 10 got an illegal contact penalty to get first down and now are at midfield with a little over 2:00 to go

[SpicyMcHaggis]

LOL!!! Incredible shank by the Cardinals punter. 17 yard punt.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

10 yard punt by Cards. Where was that by the Bucs today.

[CNYSkinFan]

awesome.

The bears just got lucky on 4th and 10 got an illegal contact penalty to get first down and now are at midfield with a little over 2:00 to go
another reason I am rooting for 49ers is that I picked wrong in the survival league and my only other opponent picked Az. I need 49ers for the tie

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I can't believe we are begging the Niners to win. This is sad.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

San Fran can't convert on the 3rd down. They'll have to punt.

[skinsfan36]

10 yard punt by Cards. Where was that by the Bucs today.

yeah that guy is on roids from tb

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I can't believe we are begging the Niners to win. This is sad.

That's what happens when you find yourself 5-6 or worse every single friggin year.

[CNYSkinFan]

3rd and goal on the 3 with :36 for the bears

[CNYSkinFan]

San Fran can't convert on the 3rd down. They'll have to punt.
a tie would really piss me off

[SpicyMcHaggis]

a tie would really piss me off

Better that than a Cards win...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Disaster in Arizona. Short swing pass gets taken about 70 yards to deep in San Fran territory.

Edit: 62 yards from the Cards 15 to the San Fran 25 (about).

[give_portis_the_rock]

Better that than a Cards win...

Yeah but not by much...
A tie would completely cancel out our win against them.

[CNYSkinFan]

on 4th and goal Grossman threw a td pass but it is being reviewed...i am not sure they guy got two feet down

[SkinsfaninNJ]

3rd and goal on the 3 with :36 for the bears

How in the world do you give up 21 points on special teams by Denver? That's as bad as having four turnovers in the first half inside your own 30. Oh wait.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Cardinals on the Niner 15....

[CNYSkinFan]

i am looking at the replay...i doubt they overturn it...it is probably going to OT in Chicago

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Unbelievable. On 3rd and 1 from the Niner 15, the Cardinals pass the ball. Unfortunately, no interception...they got the first down.

[CNYSkinFan]

I can't believe we are begging the Niners to win. This is sad.
bears just tied it up with :28 left

[CNYSkinFan]

Unbelievable. On 3rd and 1 from the Niner 15, the Cardinals pass the ball. Unfortunately, no interception...they got the first down.
stupid stupid coaching there....

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Cardinals lining up for about a 30 yard kick...

Delay of game on offense..5 more yards...

HE MISSED IT!!!!!!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Cards miss the kick.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! Those 5 yards would have made the kick good. Incredible choke by Rackers..

[CNYSkinFan]

Cardinals lining up for about a 30 yard kick...

Delay of game on offense..5 more yards...

HE MISSED IT!!!!!!
WHAT!!!!!!!!>?????!!?!?!?

[skinsfan36]

rackers just msised a chip shot(for him anyway)

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Pass interference on the Cards..the Niners close to midfield..

Pass to Vernon Davis for about 5. Niners on their own 45.

[CNYSkinFan]

Going into OT in Chicago

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Crap. Dilfer is sacked. Very long 3rd down coming up.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Big sack by Cards

[SpicyMcHaggis]

3rd and 12...Dilfer throws it away.


The Niners will have to punt.

[CNYSkinFan]

Chicago is getting the ball in OT...not good with Hester back there

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Going into OT in Chicago

Are you impressed with the Broncos wideouts? Marshall is very good, and the other guy is good too. I would love to have the young, tall wideout.

[CNYSkinFan]

3rd and 12...Dilfer throws it away.


The Niners will have to punt.
Seriously...a tie will really really throw off my calculations and make it almost like Algebra

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Monster punt. Cards will start from about their 10. Retarted play by the returner, who fielded the ball at about the 2.

It was a 59 yard punt.

[CNYSkinFan]

Are you impressed with the Broncos wideouts? Marshall is very good, and the other guy is good too. I would love to have the young, tall wideout.
I have Marshall on 3 of my fantasy teams...i LOVE him

[CNYSkinFan]

Chicago ball on the 25

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Niners WIN. I think.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

NINERS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!


Warner fumbles for the millionth time in his career and Banta-Cain returns it for the TD!!!!!!!!!


Warner was just standing around 5 yards deep in his end zone for about 4-5 whole seconds and still didn't get the ball out of there.

[skinsfan36]

what a crapfest in az

[colkurtz]

Question I have is where was Caldwell the last 5 weeks?

We bring in a couple of old WR guys who still can catch and they do great. What's that say about our WR group?

[CNYSkinFan]

Well Chicagoe is driving, on the opponent 29

[skinsfan36]

Are you impressed with the Broncos wideouts? Marshall is very good, and the other guy is good too. I would love to have the young, tall wideout.

id love to have brandon marshall id give them a 1st day pick for him

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Ok, I've switched to the Bears game.

Big 3rd down coming up.

[skinsfan36]

warner sacked,fumble td 49ers win yes!!!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Crap. First down Bears. The Bears kicker is warming up....

[CNYSkinFan]

they got a first down now...on the 25.

IF the Broncos lose this is a craptacular collapse...up 14 with 7 minutes to go and losing to the bears.

now 1st down on the 19

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Penalty against Denver. How does a defender hold on a 2 yard run??!!

[CNYSkinFan]

Bears win in OT....

at least we get to play them

[SpicyMcHaggis]

We're gonna need another miracle here...

Grossman takes a kneel, losing 2 yards, but placing the ball right in the middle of the field. Gould coming up with the kick. If he makes it we are tied at 5-6 with another 45 teams.

The kick is good. Bears win.


Crap.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I have seen a bunch of places today showing the playoff picture in the NFC. If we won today, we would have had the #6 seed rather than grouped with the other teams on the outside looking in.

We have to turn this around.

[skinsfan36]

Bears win in OT....

at least we get to play them

the bears play the giants,then us,the vikes,packers,saints im not worried they have rex grossman

[SpicyMcHaggis]

So:

Giants 7-4
Lions 6-5
Redskins 5-6
Saints 5-6
Cardinals 5-6
Bears 5-6
Vikings 5-6
Eagles 5-6 (very probably)

Am I forgetting anyone?

I think that 9-7 gets us in, but we can only afford to lose against the Bills IMO.

[CNYSkinFan]

i think the saints have a better nfc record then us so they are above us now

[SpicyMcHaggis]

i think the saints have a better nfc record then us so they are above us now

Look, right now it's 1:58 AM, so it's a miracle that I even remembered the teams at 5-6..you expect me to remember division records?

lol

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Look, right now it's 1:58 AM, so it's a miracle that I even remembered the teams at 5-6..you expect me to remember division records?

lol

LMAO

Besides, if we never win again this year, there will be no work for any of us to do to figure out who has to lose.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

LMAO

Besides, if we never win again this year, there will be no work for any of us to do to figure out who has to lose.

Right now, only 2 things terrify me:

Chicago at Washington 8:15 PM
Washington at New York 8:15 PM

You don't wanna know what time those games finish over here...

[superskin]

It's a double edged sword, when you look at other team's records after today's results. One one hand, I think, "Wow! All of the 5-5 teams lost (pending Philly's demise) and we are still only one game back of the Lions!"

And on the other hand I think "Ugh! We could be firmly entrenched in that last wild card spot!"

[SpicyMcHaggis]

It's a double edged sword, when you look at other team's records after today's results. One one hand, I think, "Wow! All of the 5-5 teams lost (pending Philly's demise) and we are still only one game back of the Lions!"

And on the other hand I think "Ugh! We could be firmly entrenched in that last wild card spot!"
The explanation is real simple: there are alot of mediocre teams in the NFC, and we are one of them.

The only advantage is that we pretty much control our destiny (since there is no way the Lions are gonna finish 5-0). Right now the team that really scares me is New Orleans.
Where is csquared? We need his voodoo doll to wake up.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i didnt do the W/L situation between the other wild card teams, but i looks like it might be possible to go 8-8 and still make the post season.

[CNYSkinFan]

Ok pending a beat down of Philly by the Patriots here are the standings:

NFC East: Dallas Cowboys 10-1 (7-0)
NFC North: Green Bay 10-1 (7-1)
NFC South: Tampa Bay 7-4 (6-2)
NFC West: Seattle 7-4 (6-2)
Wild Card #1: NY Giants 7-4 (5-4 conf 2-2 div)
Wild Card #2: Detroit Lions 6-5 (4-5)

The Pack
New Orleans Saints 5-6 (4-3)
Philadelphia 5-6 (3-5)
Washington 5-6 (3-5)
Arizona 5-6 (3-5)
Minnesotta 5-6 (3-5)
Chicago 5-6 (2-5)
Carolina 4-7 (4-4)

Ok we have head to head tiebreakers over Arizona & Detroit

NY Giants have a hth tiebreaker over us but we get a chance to even that up and then it goes by conf record (unless we are in a 3 way tie and then div record)

We have tihe opportunity for hth tiebreakers against Chicago & Minnesotta

New orleans scares em because they have a significantly better conf record then us.

So basically what I am saying is we are in a good position but another loss in the NFC is bad news

[JakeIron]

I really believe we can win those 5 games if we just start playing solid football, dumb mistakes have cost us many games. I know its a longshot but offense is playing decent and so is defense. They just have to contribute on the same day.... The talent is there...

[greatest2]

whatever rituals yall had in 2005 when this started (when gibbs put it up in the locker room), bring them back!!!

im goin back. Portis jersey everyday over my MD sweatshirt and same jeans. Same room.



Hopefully if we do the same thing, the results will be the same!

[Lavar703]

Well 5 in a row might not matter if Philly keeps playing this way against NE, this is crazy, the football gods hate us

[greatest2]

Well 5 in a row might not matter if Philly keeps playing this way against NE, this is crazy, the football gods hate us

its early my friend, its early

[Lavar703]

its early my friend, its early

Yeah I know, but I just figured since we need the Eagles to lose they will somehow pull off the impossible

[CNYSkinFan]

well by my figuring no one is actually mathmatecially eliminated from the playoffs ...even St. Louis.

[skinsfan36]

k so i did an anaylsis here here is everyone in wild card contentions remaining schedule
giants(7-4) bears,@eagles,skins,Bills,Pats
lions(6-5) @Vikes,cowpukes,@chargers,chiefs,@packers
Skins(5-6) bills,bears,@giants,@vikes,cowpukes
saints(5-6) bucs,@falcons,cards,eagles,@bears
eagles(5-6,they play new england) seahawks,giants,cowpukes,@saints,bills
cards(leading in 4th,5-5) browns,@seahawks,@saints,falcons,rams
vikes(5-6) lions,@49ers,bears,skins,@broncos

posted this earlier but thought id revive this while this thread is getting more attention

[skinsfan36]

new orleans seems to have pretty easy end to their schedule which will be trouble for us

[skinsfan36]

we should have thomas,taylor back soon which will go a long way to getting us back in the w column

[greatest2]

we should have thomas,taylor back soon which will go a long way to getting us back in the w column

agreed, but how much longer can we wait? we need a win next week, probably without sean or thomas. Bills are extremely tough, and Lynch will be back.

We need a W against the bills, and to do that we need to have the ball bounce our way (or atleast not against us), and we need someone to be a hero on this team and the star and make a play on either side of the ball

[skinsfan36]

agreed, but how much longer can we wait? we need a win next week, probably without sean or thomas. Bills are extremely tough, and Lynch will be back.

We need a W against the bills, and to do that we need to have the ball bounce our way (or atleast not against us), and we need someone to be a hero on this team and the star and make a play on either side of the ball

i know what you mean man we have got to have a playmaker step up i think on all 3 phases.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The situation is pretty clear IMO.

If we go 5-0 there is about a 99% chance we make it.
If we go 4-1 there is still a very good chance we make it, BUT that loss must come against the Bills.
Anything less, and we have a very slim chance of making it.

Either way, I think our main problem right now are the Saints. Because they have a pretty easy schedule, are 5-2 in their last 7 games, and most of all, we don't play them.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

agreed, but how much longer can we wait? we need a win next week, probably without sean or thomas. Bills are extremely tough, and Lynch will be back.

We need a W against the bills, and to do that we need to have the ball bounce our way (or atleast not against us), and we need someone to be a hero on this team and the star and make a play on either side of the ball
Actually the Bills game is pretty much the only one we could maybe afford to lose.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Oh yeah, one question I was meaning to ask:

In case of a three (or more) team tie, do head to head tiebreakers still allpy? If not, what does first? Division or Conference record?

[smoak]

Oh yeah, one question I was meaning to ask:

In case of a three (or more) team tie, do head to head tiebreakers still allpy? If not, what does first? Division or Conference record?

As long as it is a conference tie (i.e. we aren't tied with the Giants and Iggles), then head to head is the first breaker. IF the Skins were in a three way tie that included the Giants and/or Iggles, then division tiebreakers would be applied first.

That is my understanding. From there it goes to common opponents, and eventually you have the owners in a thumb wrestling tournament.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

As long as it is a conference tie (i.e. we aren't tied with the Giants and Iggles), then head to head is the first breaker. IF the Skins were in a three way tie that included the Giants and/or Iggles, then division tiebreakers would be applied first.

That is my understanding. From there it goes to common opponents, and eventually you have the owners in a thumb wrestling tournament.
LOL!

But say, for example, that we lose to the Bears, and we end up in a 3 way tie with the Bears and the Lions (say all at 9-7 for example). We beat the Lions, the Lions beat the Bears (twice actually), and the Bears beat us. In that case what the heck happens? Head to head can't apply can it? And more importantly, would CNY's head explode in that situation?

The reason I ask is that since there are so many teams at 5-6, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that we end up at 9-7 (or maybe even 8-8) in a 3 way tie with another couple of teams. Since we may end up having the luxury of having the head-to-head advantage over all the teams involved in the wild card race except the Saints, it would be a damn shame to lose such an advantage.

[CNYSkinFan]

Oh yeah, one question I was meaning to ask:

In case of a three (or more) team tie, do head to head tiebreakers still allpy? If not, what does first? Division or Conference record?
Here is what yahoo says:

TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM

If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.

1. If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tiebreaker. 2. If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.

Two Clubs 1. Head-to-head, if applicable. 2. Best won-lost percentage in games played within the conference. 3. Best won-lost percentage in common games, minimum of four. 4. Strength of victory. 5. Strength of schedule. 6. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 7. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best net points in conference games. 9. Best net points in all games. 10. Best net touchdowns in all games. 11. Coin toss.

Three or More Clubs (Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tiebreaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)

1. Apply division tiebreaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tiebreaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants. 2. Head-to-head sweep. 3. Best won-lost percentage in games played within the conference. 4. Best won-lost percentage in common games, minimum of four. 5. Strength of victory. 6. Strength of schedule. 7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed. 8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed. 9. Best net points in conference games. 10. Best net points in all games. 11. Best net touchdowns in all games. 12. Coin toss



source (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=tiebreakers&prov=st&type=lgns)

The only way head to head applies is if one team has beaten all of the other teams (IE if washington was tied with Detroit and Arizona)

[CNYSkinFan]

LOL!

But say, for example, that we lose to the Bears, and we end up in a 3 way tie with the Bears and the Lions (say all at 9-7 for example). We beat the Lions, the Lions beat the Bears (twice actually), and the Bears beat us. In that case what the heck happens? Head to head can't apply can it? And more importantly, would CNY's head explode in that situation?

The reason I ask is that since there are so many teams at 5-6, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that we end up at 9-7 (or maybe even 8-8) in a 3 way tie with another couple of teams. Since we may end up having the luxury of having the head-to-head advantage over all the teams involved in the wild card race except the Saints, it would be a damn shame to lose such an advantage.
we need to hope that the Saints are out of the picture unless it is a tie for both wildcard spots. They will have conference tiebreakers on us and we wont be able to play them this year.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

we need to hope that the Saints are out of the picture unless it is a tie for both wildcard spots. They will have conference tiebreakers on us and we wont be able to play them this year.
Absolutely. The problem is that they have the easiest schedule and they are the "hottest" team (relatively speaking). The good thing is that they apparently could beat the Patriots and then lose to a high-school team the week after.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

we need to hope that the Saints are out of the picture unless it is a tie for both wildcard spots. They will have conference tiebreakers on us and we wont be able to play them this year.

Here is what yahoo says:



source (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=tiebreakers&prov=st&type=lgns)

The only way head to head applies is if one team has beaten all of the other teams (IE if washington was tied with Detroit and Arizona)
Thanks.

[MadDog97]

The only thing these guys need to focus on is winning one game at a time. After that, just let everything fall. The Skins must win out just to have a chance at sniffing the playoffs.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The only thing these guys need to focus on is winning one game at a time. After that, just let everything fall. The Skins must win out just to have a chance at sniffing the playoffs.

I don't think that is the case.

[CNYSkinFan]

I now think Buffalo is a must win. I know many say on here 9-7 will make the playoffs and it may. Buyt with NO playing well I dont think we can risk it.

Also we have lost three straight, all heartbreakers. We need a win more then ever.

[RedskinRyan]

i want to say this season reeks of 05 all over.....but it just doesnt. i dont have the same hope that we did two years ago.

[CNYSkinFan]

i want to say this season reeks of 05 all over.....but it just doesnt. i dont have the same hope that we did two years ago.
there are similarities, but opur road to -0 is much harder. We have a better NY Giants and Dallas team to go through. And nthe other 3 are all fighting for playoff spots as well. The only good thing is we end up with our toughest game at home.