End of games for Jason Campbell

[CNYSkinFan]

Don't get me wrong. I love Jason Campbell. He is our quarterback and I would take him over most of the young qbs in our league. He is progressing decently enough and gaining confidence each week. He is a superb athlete and has a tremendous upside....

BUT

At the end of games when driving for a go ahead score, Jason has simply not produced. I am concerned for his psyche. He seems unflappable but to be honest I have to wonder what effect this season is going to have on him.

Consider this. Out of the Redskins 6 losses, only one was a blowout, the Patriots. the other 5 Jason Campbell has had the ball in his hands with a chance to drive for a game winning or tieing score. Look at this:

NY Giants: Down by 7 Jason gets the ball on the 35 with two minutes to go. Everyone remembers the two failed runs by Betts during the drive but Campbell had a chance with a pass to Mike Sellers right before that was behind him and did not allow him to square up and get the td.

Green Bay: The Redskins actually had several drives when down 3. However the last two series were 3 and out and JC failed to complete a pass.

Philadelphia: Campbell fumbled on the second to last driveafter getting sacked. When we got the ball back after letting them score, Campbell went 1 for 4 on the final drive and failed to get us anywhere near scoring position.

Dallas: We all know about the interception to end the game.

Tampa Bay: Not one but two interceptions on potential game winning drives.

Now I am not blaming Campbell for all of these losses. Or even any of them. A team loses the games and there were plenty of blame to go around.

We also have to give Campbell and the offense credit for putting together game winning drives inn OT against Miami and the NY Jets. Though really it was running by Portis in the NY jets & Miami games.

It is a legitimate question now to ask whether close games are a significant problem for our young QB.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

It's not just the fact that he threw these last INTs that worries me. It the fact that all three of them were absolutely horrible passes.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

It's not just the fact that he threw these last INTs that worries me. It the fact that all three of them were absolutely horrible passes.

What were the 3? The 2 today were not horrible. Barber made an All Pro play that maybe 2 other corners in the entire league would ever even attempt. And on the second, Campbell missed. The decision was not terrible, the throw was bad.

The decision in the Cowboys game was bad.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

By the way, I think Philly was his best opportunity to get the late game monkey off of his back, but Todd Wade and not Jason Campbell made that an impossibility.

[hail2skins]

It's not just the fact that he threw these last INTs that worries me. It the fact that all three of them were absolutely horrible passes.I don't see the first one today as that bad of a pass after seeing it again. Barber tricked him and our passing game is a timing one. Barber was lined up in the slot and then went out and covered Moss. Campbell put the ball where Moss was, Barber just made the play. He confused Jason on that one.

The 2nd one was a bad throw period. That should have had more loft on it.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I'll try to see the Barber one again, since my first impression was of a really bad pass, but I could be wrong. But the other two I saw more than once and looked awful. Both of them.

[CNYSkinFan]

The fact is great quarterbacks can find a way to will their team to a win almost every time.

Good Quarterbacks can do it every now and then.

I have yet to see where JC leads us to a big win from behind.

It is a missing element and until he gets that Monkey off his back it has to be eating at him

[hail2skins]

I'll try to see the Barber one again, since my first impression was of a really bad pass, but I could be wrong. But the other two I saw more than once and looked awful. Both of them.I initially thought it was a bad pass myself. But after the announcers mentioned what Barber did, I went back and looked at it.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I'll try to see the Barber one again, since my first impression was of a really bad pass, but I could be wrong. But the other two I saw more than once and looked awful. Both of them.

Barber was locked man coverage on the slot, or at least at the snap appeared to be man coverage. JC threw the out knowing the man covering Moss was not going to get there. Barber left his man at the snap and jumped the out route.

That took magnificent courage and faith in his abilities for Barber to even try that move. Most CB's are not attempting that in fear they will be wrong and the slot receiver is running untouched to the endzone.

[hail2skins]

The fact is great quarterbacks can find a way to will their team to a win almost every time.

Good Quarterbacks can do it every now and then.

I have yet to see where JC leads us to a big win from behind.

It is a missing element and until he gets that Monkey off his back it has to be eating at himAre you comparing him to other QB's with the same amount of experience? Or are you comparing him to QB's who have a lot of experience?

[Biggie]

I'll try to see the Barber one again, since my first impression was of a really bad pass, but I could be wrong. But the other two I saw more than once and looked awful. Both of them.
It was an awful decision. Awful.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

The fact is great quarterbacks can find a way to will their team to a win almost every time.

Good Quarterbacks can do it every now and then.

I have yet to see where JC leads us to a big win from behind.

It is a missing element and until he gets that Monkey off his back it has to be eating at him

This was a big problem for Favre early on. He got over it. Hopefully Campbell will as well.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I initially thought it was a bad pass myself. But after the announcers mentioned what Barber did, I went back and looked at it.

Mmmhhh...I don't know...I've seen it a couple of times now (on the NFL.com highlight) and when Campbell turns towards Moss and throws the pass Barber is already clearly in position to make a play on the ball. It wasn't as bad as the other two, but it wasn't a very good decision at all IMO.

[CNYSkinFan]

Are you comparing him to other QB's with the same amount of experience? Or are you comparing him to QB's who have a lot of experience?
Experience brings alot of stuff. But IMO winnign games in the final two minutes is less about experience then having that special "it" quality. Montana and Elway had it of course, even when they were young.

Maybe he will be a late bloomer like his idol Doug Williams....but I think it is legitimate to pose this question right now.

However the fact is he is our qb for the next 3-5 years, and I am very happy for that. But if we are going to play all these close games we need him to find a way to win games for us as well.

[hail2skins]

Experience brings alot of stuff. But IMO winnign games in the final two minutes is less about experience then having that special "it" quality. Montana and Elway had it of course, even when they were young.

Maybe he will be a late bloomer like his idol Doug Williams....but I think it is legitimate to pose this question right now.

However the fact is he is our qb for the next 3-5 years, and I am very happy for that. But if we are going to play all these close games we need him to find a way to win games for us as well.Well, I'll disagree and reserve my judgment until next year.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Experience brings alot of stuff. But IMO winnign games in the final two minutes is less about experience then having that special "it" quality. Montana and Elway had it of course, even when they were young.

Maybe he will be a late bloomer like his idol Doug Williams....but I think it is legitimate to pose this question right now.

However the fact is he is our qb for the next 3-5 years, and I am very happy for that. But if we are going to play all these close games we need him to find a way to win games for us as well.
That's the problem. There is simply no way in the world this should have been a close game. The Buccaneers were AWFUL on both sides of the ball in the second half, and on offense were pretty much pathetic the whole game, except that short first drive.
I mean, the Bucs completed 2 passes for 9 yards in the whole 2nd half.

Here are some stats:
First downs: Wash 23 Tampa 9
3rd down conversion: Wash 9/17 Tampa 1/12
Total yards: Wash 412 Tampa 192.

How on earth did we lose this game? Especially considering that even after the 4 disasterous fumbles, it was still a 2 score game. You're telling me we can't manage to score 2 TDs in 2+ quarters against a team that cannot gain a yard and can't stop us?

[CNYSkinFan]

Well, I'll disagree and reserve my judgment until next year.
Fair enough. It may be too early but I am a little worried right now. I am not ready to bring up the c word, but the trend is not good.

[CNYSkinFan]

That's the problem. There is simply no way in the world this should have been a close game. The Buccaneers were AWFUL on both sides of the ball in the second half, and on offense were pretty much pathetic the whole game, except that short first drive.
I mean, the Bucs completed 2 passes for 9 yards in the whole 2nd half.

Here are some stats:
First downs: Wash 23 Tampa 9
3rd down conversion: Wash 9/17 Tampa 1/12
Total yards: Wash 412 Tampa 192.

How on earth did we lose this game? Especially considering that even after the 4 disasterous fumbles, it was still a 2 score game. You're telling me we can't manage to score 2 TDs in 2+ quarters against a team that cannot gain a yard and can't stop us?
Let me plainly state this, JC was not the only reason we lost today. Moss and Portis fumbling is inexcusable, and if I didn't want to start a whole bunch of negative threads I would talk about that as well. Espescially Portis as he is starting to make this a habit.

Still the fact is we are in close games, and I have yet to see JC bring us back when down. Law of averages say we should have at least one ofver the last two years.

[hail2skins]

That's the problem. There is simply no way in the world this should have been a close game. The Buccaneers were AWFUL on both sides of the ball in the second half, and on offense were pretty much pathetic the whole game, except that short first drive.
I mean, the Bucs completed 2 passes for 9 yards in the whole 2nd half.

Here are some stats:
First downs: Wash 23 Tampa 9
3rd down conversion: Wash 9/17 Tampa 1/12
Total yards: Wash 412 Tampa 192.

How on earth did we lose this game? Especially considering that even after the 4 disasterous fumbles, it was still a 2 score game. You're telling me we can't manage to score 2 TDs in 2+ quarters against a team that cannot gain a yard and can't stop us?6 turnovers, 4 in the first half. They were lucky they were that close and still had a chance.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Let me plainly state this, JC was not the only reason we lost today. Moss and Portis fumbling is inexcusable, and if I didn't want to start a whole bunch of negative threads I would talk about that as well. Espescially Portis as he is starting to make this a habit.

Still the fact is we are in close games, and I have yet to see JC bring us back when down. Law of averages say we should have at least one ofver the last two years.
And I tend to agree with you there. My point was that we should be asking ourselves why in the hell we find ourselves in these situations in the first place. If we were even a half-way decent team, we would have won by 30 points today. Losing your starting QB on the first play of the game is just about the worst thing that can happen to a football team, and yet they still managed to beat us. Imagine if the same had happened to us. Is there anyone out there that thinks we could have won any game this year if Campbell had been injured on the first play of the game?
But Campbell is starting to worry me in these situations a bit as well.

[jaylen]

I think the IT factor is something JC has its his natural poise and ability to make plays in long 3rd down situations.

He's made 3 bad decisions in 3 weeks in what 103 throws.

I think there is a developing mental thing for end game situations but I think its for the whole offense JC included.

I think JC has IT, he's shown that poise very early on, Manning, Elway nor Aikman appeared to have IT early at all based on their numbers.

But they appeared to have poise which is something you're born with. JC doesn't get rattled being hit, he gets up, he stands in there tall and throws it hard.

He's driving us down the field late just not closing the deal.

He drove us down against the Giants, against the Cowboys and today.

He just has to learn to finish it off.

I think he will.

[chad101]

I initially thought it was a bad pass myself. But after the announcers mentioned what Barber did, I went back and looked at it.

Neutral opinion: It was a pass to the exact spot he wanted to go. Barber just made a great veteran play in faking inside and jumping the route.

Kudos to Santana(I think) for making the tackle and not letting it go for a pick 6.


Campbell will be fine. Growing pains though the final drives as well as accuracy will determine whether he's a good or great QB. If he's making those mistakes next year then there's possibly a problem.

Skin's could do far worse.

Edit: When he gets on the same page comfort wise with another receiver or two as he is with Cooley the passing attack should be lethal.

[akhhorus]

Neutral opinion: It was a pass to the exact spot he wanted to go. Barber just made a great veteran play in faking inside and jumping the route.

Kudos to Santana(I think) for making the tackle and not letting it go for a pick 6.


Campbell will be fine. Growing pains though the final drives as well as accuracy will determine whether he's a good or great QB. If he's making those mistakes next year then there's possibly a problem.

Skin's could do far worse.

Edit: When he gets on the same page comfort wise with another receiver or two as he is with Cooley the passing attack should be lethal.

Agreed. Btw, Clemens looks like he has some potential in the NFL.

[CNYSkinFan]

Agreed. Btw, Clemens looks like he has some potential in the NFL.
more then hanging Chad

[skinsfan36]

those two picks were stupid throws and the second was disguiting and is a td is he puts touch,and velocity on it grr campbell irritates me

[give_portis_the_rock]

The fact is great quarterbacks can find a way to will their team to a win almost every time.

Good Quarterbacks can do it every now and then.

I have yet to see where JC leads us to a big win from behind.

It is a missing element and until he gets that Monkey off his back it has to be eating at him

And until then we'll have to deal with the commentators mentioning it EVERY time a game is close.

[CNYSkinFan]

And until then we'll have to deal with the commentators mentioning it EVERY time a game is close.
yep....and it is a legit story, until JC proves otherwise. That is why I am worried about his psyche in all this

[jaylen]

yep....and it is a legit story, until JC proves otherwise. That is why I am worried about his psyche in all this

I think its reasonable to worry about his psyche, but he went through some tough times down at Auburn so I think he'll be fine.

[hail2skins]

those two picks were stupid throws and the second was disguiting and is a td is he puts touch,and velocity on it grr campbell irritates meI'm not sure about this but I think it's hard to put touch and velocity on the ball at the same time. Velocity means throwing a strike. Touch is more of a lofted ball. Hard to do both.

[skinsfan36]

I'm not sure about this but I think it's hard to put touch and velocity on the ball at the same time. Velocity means throwing a strike. Touch is more of a lofted ball. Hard to do both.

realized that after i wrote it but its a terrible pass that will haunt me

[Meatsnack]

Jason has the same problem every young QB with a shoulder mounted cannon has: their greatest weapon is also their greatest weakness. Jason had such success sticking ball into tight coverage with laser beam throws today that he just doesn't know how to take something off in the heat of battle. It should come with experience and both Joe and Al are good QB teachers.

As others have mentioned, Williams took a while to learn that, as did Favre and Elway. Jason cares too much about winning to not get it fixed. It may take an off-season to do, however. Manning to Harrison on the fade has been honed over countless hours of time after practice and in the off-season. Until we get some receivers other than Cooley who will show up to work with Jason in those situations, it will be hard for that timing to become automatic. Hopefully we can find some skill-position guys who care at some point. It is clear from their actions that Clinton and Santana don't.

[Dolla Bill]

I wanna know what Gibbs said to the team at halftime. They came out and wanted this game.

[BostonSkins]

If he's still making the same throws next season it is a problem, right now it is a concern.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

im not too worried right now since has just gotten the equivalent of a full season under his belt. in alot of the games that we've had a chance to win, he hasn't gotten alot of help from the guys around him, whether its bad pass protection or dropped passes. sometimes i think he tries to do everything by himself. he has got to be smarter with the ball when a throwaway or a scramble will help the offense live to see another down. give him time, the upside is all there......

[wewantdallas]

I wanna know what Gibbs said to the team at halftime. They came out and wanted this game.

It's absolutely sickening if it took Gibbs going off on the team to get them fired up.

These guys are such babies collectively. They always have their team meetings, they talk such a big game, and when it comes time to put up, they show their true colors and fail miserably.

The time to come out fired up was at the opening gun, not after halftime. First five drives = equal four fumbles and 16 points. FOUR FUMBLES. All by our key players and the guys who are supposed to be carrying this team. Ballgame.

I mean, how much better of a setup do you need??? Garcia out in the first series. A TERRIBLE QB takes over with little hope of moving the ball, and what do we do? Give 'em four drives from inside the 20. It's just mind-numbing.

[BandWagon]

Kinda makes you wonder...especially after seeing that stat on the Chargers quarterback...I forget the number of touchdowns, but he has zero interceptions in the redzone.

[FunBunch5]

It's absolutely sickening if it took Gibbs going off on the team to get them fired up.

These guys are such babies collectively. They always have their team meetings, they talk such a big game, and when it comes time to put up, they show their true colors and fail miserably.

The time to come out fired up was at the opening gun, not after halftime. First five drives = equal four fumbles and 16 points. FOUR FUMBLES. All by our key players and the guys who are supposed to be carrying this team. Ballgame.

I mean, how much better of a setup do you need??? Garcia out in the first series. A TERRIBLE QB takes over with little hope of moving the ball, and what do we do? Give 'em four drives from inside the 20. It's just mind-numbing.

Great post. This team has had this problem since Norv. Some games it seems like they just go through the motions. With all the high salaries it seems like players come here only for the pay day, but then mysteriously lose their heart. There has to be some accountability for piss poor efforts like the one we saw in the first half. I don't know what it is, maybe sit some players and play guys that put forth 100%, or even call them out, I don't know what it is, but something needs to be done. I find it hard to root for players that only go through the motions.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Kinda makes you wonder...especially after seeing that stat on the Chargers quarterback...I forget the number of touchdowns, but he has zero interceptions in the redzone.

Rivers is driving a Mercedes compared to Campbell's VW and despite that, Rivers' stats are not favorable to Campbell's.

[bigcmr]

he will learn from this.

[CNYSkinFan]

he will learn from this.
well he sure is doing alot of learning this season.........

Reminds of when I used to get turned down for dates in HS and my parents would say it is character building....after awhile I had enough character, i needed to get laid lol

[SkinsfaninNJ]

well he sure is doing alot of learning this season.........

Reminds of when I used to get turned down for dates in HS and my parents would say it is character building....after awhile I had enough character, i needed to get laid lol

LMFAO!!!!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

well he sure is doing alot of learning this season.........

Reminds of when I used to get turned down for dates in HS and my parents would say it is character building....after awhile I had enough character, i needed to get laid lol

ROTFLMAO!!!

[Farmer Ted]

he will learn from this.

Well, he also needs to learn how to hold onto the ball when he's in the pocket. He's turning into a turnover machine. Everytime he gets hit, he puts the ball on the ground.

[RedskinsDave]

it's frustrating that the kid does so many great things during the games to keep us close or to get back into it and then he lapses in the clutch. I wouldn't mind so much if he didn't have tons of time and downs to throw the ball out or, like in the Dallas game, could have run for the first down.

[MadDog97]

I was on the road between Washington and Arkansas (Turkey Day Dinner in DC). I looked at the stats and highlights (?). Before we condemn JC keep in mind that he is a young QB and he is taking these losses pretty hard and very personally. You add to that they ARL and Thrash are hurting and Moss is recovering. Right now Cooley is his only reliable target. He is still putting together some nice drives but he is still young and he is going to have bad days.

HOWEVER, he is not helped by some bad play calling and his guys dropping the ball or not protecting his blind side. Portis fumbled twice and Moss once. They have got to protect the ball. When you have a young QB you take the 3 points, especially with Sellers hurt. If the score is 19-16 then getting in field goal range is enough to get the tie and then a win.

Jason will be fine after a relaxing offseason, but the coaches need to decide their direction and we need help at wideout and along the offensive line.

[Spence]

I think we should blame Campbell for all of this and not pay any attention to the fact that expensive veterans like Portis and Moss play like chumps and the most productive wideouts are castoffs -- one of them 38 years old.

[CNYSkinFan]

I think we should blame Campbell for all of this and not pay any attention to the fact that expensive veterans like Portis and Moss play like chumps and the most productive wideouts are castoffs -- one of them 38 years old.
There is most definitely plenty of blame to throw around about yesterday...

However clutch performances from our qb have not happened. And In my mind the last two games they were really bad decisions that can only be blamed on JC. He had time and opportunity and did not need to make either of the two game ending interceptions.

I think he has all the tools to win in this league but this is the last one that has not quite come into fruition yet.

Anyone got any examples of him coming from behind in his career at Auburn? I did not follow auburn or the SEC during his time there so perhaps someone on this board who is an auburn fan can help out.

[redskin_rich]

I knew we were going to blow it on that last drive, I've been watching this same thing happen all year. I hope this is just part of Jason's growing pains but it does seem to be becoming a trend for him, to execute a brilliant drive for the go-ahead score and fail to close the deal, due to a bad throw and/or worse decision.

And by no means do I blame Jason for our loss yesterday, nor most of the other ones. It's just that he has had many chances to be the hero and just can't seem to get it done.

[hail2skins]

There is most definitely plenty of blame to throw around about yesterday...

However clutch performances from our qb have not happened. And In my mind the last two games they were really bad decisions that can only be blamed on JC. He had time and opportunity and did not need to make either of the two game ending interceptions.

I think he has all the tools to win in this league but this is the last one that has not quite come into fruition yet.

Anyone got any examples of him coming from behind in his career at Auburn? I did not follow auburn or the SEC during his time there so perhaps someone on this board who is an auburn fan can help out.I think getting them into position is clutch although they're not finishing it up. His arm got us back in that game. He made a bad decision yesterday on the final INT. The other one I chalk up to a good defensive play.

[hail2skins]

I think we should blame Campbell for all of this and not pay any attention to the fact that expensive veterans like Portis and Moss play like chumps and the most productive wideouts are castoffs -- one of them 38 years old.IMO, Jason shouldn't have been in that situation. However, he was and did not finish it because of a bad decision. I knew he would make bad decisions and I'm willing to live with it this season. Next season I'll expect more and is why I reserve judgment on his have "IT".

[Spence]

Coming from behind at Auburn shouldn't count. I recall seeing Ryan Leaf lead a few comeback victories in school. It's not the NFL. This is the last thing that will come for Jason. He shredded a good defense yesterday once his teammates stopped fumbling. He converted one third down and long play after another, throwing to wideouts nobody else wanted at the start of this season. He doesn't have a deep option because his only remaining healthy receivers are older possession guys. When your quarterback's best deep option is a slow, white tight end, you got problems.

Campbell got baited on those two interceptions. He was hitting those passes all day and the cornerbacks finally figured this out and baited him late in the 4th quarter. Desperate for a comeback because of time concerns and needing a touchdown, he forced the ball twice. That's the sort of thing that happens when your teammates put you in a 3 score hole to start the game and you have to throw 50 times to catch up. He's thrown 3 interceptions in his last 100 passes over these two games. Not great, but certainly not awful either. The interceptions came at bad times, but when you're down at the end of the game and you need a touchdown to win or tie, you force the ball.

Let's be realistic about this. Washington's only reliable offensive player right now is Jason Campbell. Nobody else can be relied upon to make plays. Campbell wouldn't have forced those passes if Moss and Portis had done their jobs yesterday. Washington wouldn't have been in that position.

Eli Manning has been starting games for years and he's still screwing up big-time and, statistically, at least, he's not as good as Jason Campbell. He's played in 52 games. Campbell has played in 18. Eli's got more wins this year 'cause Eli gets a lot more help. But take a healthy Plaxico Burress away from Manning and he can't get anything done. Campbell is throwing to wideouts who weren't even on the team when the season began.

Jason Campbell is going to make mistakes. That's never going to end. It'll go on to the end of his career. He will always make mistakes. Everyone on this site had better accustom themselves to that fact or just give up football altogether. But Jason Campbell isn't what's wrong with this team. The list of problems this team has is quite long and Campbell is far, far down on that list. The list of things that is right about the Redskins is pretty short and Jason's name is at the top of that list.

[akhhorus]

Coming from behind at Auburn shouldn't count. I recall seeing Ryan Leaf lead a few comeback victories in school. It's not the NFL. This is the last thing that will come for Jason. He shredded a good defense yesterday once his teammates stopped fumbling. He converted one third down and long play after another, throwing to wideouts nobody else wanted at the start of this season. He doesn't have a deep option because his only remaining healthy receivers are older possession guys. When your quarterback's best deep option is a slow, white tight end, you got problems.

Campbell got baited on those two interceptions. He was hitting those passes all day and the cornerbacks finally figured this out and baited him late in the 4th quarter. Desperate for a comeback because of time concerns and needing a touchdown, he forced the ball twice. That's the sort of thing that happens when your teammates put you in a 3 score hole to start the game and you have to throw 50 times to catch up. He's thrown 3 interceptions in his last 100 passes over these two games. Not great, but certainly not awful either. The interceptions came at bad times, but when you're down at the end of the game and you need a touchdown to win or tie, you force the ball.

Let's be realistic about this. Washington's only reliable offensive player right now is Jason Campbell. Nobody else can be relied upon to make plays. Campbell wouldn't have forced those passes if Moss and Portis had done their jobs yesterday. Washington wouldn't have been in that position.

Eli Manning has been starting games for years and he's still screwing up big-time and, statistically, at least, he's not as good as Jason Campbell. He's played in 52 games. Campbell has played in 18. Eli's got more wins this year 'cause Eli gets a lot more help. But take a healthy Plaxico Burress away from Manning and he can't get anything done. Campbell is throwing to wideouts who weren't even on the team when the season began.

Jason Campbell is going to make mistakes. That's never going to end. It'll go on to the end of his career. He will always make mistakes. Everyone on this site had better accustom themselves to that fact or just give up football altogether. But Jason Campbell isn't what's wrong with this team. The list of problems this team has is quite long and Campbell is far, far down on that list. The list of things that is right about the Redskins is pretty short and Jason's name is at the top of that list.

The Ronde Barber pick was just an amazing play. I agree about Campbell, and I think more and more than Moss and Lloyd will be gone after the season and they'll get two new WRs to go with ARE.


As for Auburn, he did lead some comebacks in 2004(especially against LSU), but he had this problem(and WarEagle can correct me if I'm wrong) in 2003.

[new girl on the bloc]

I agree with Spence. Jason Campbell is not the problem with this offense -- the lack of a reliable running game is, as well as the lack of a large possession receiver. We have trouble scoring touchdowns in the red zone, largely because we can't move the line of scrimmage, and there are few large targets for JC.

On the other hand, we still have yet to see whether JC becomes a great quarterback. I remember Patrick Ramsey mounting a few last minute, come-from-behind losses as well.

[Spence]

The Ronde Barber pick was just an amazing play. I agree about Campbell, and I think more and more than Moss and Lloyd will be gone after the season and they'll get two new WRs to go with ARE.It's amazing. Just a year removed from massive spending to remake the wide receiving corps, it has to be done all over again. Moss and ARE are hurt, Thrash is hurt, Lloyd is hurt and stunk before that. I can't remember the last time so much money was spent to so little effect. Probably some of those Mets pitching staffs in the mid-1990s.

[akhhorus]

It's amazing. Just a year removed from massive spending to remake the wide receiving corps, it has to be done all over again. Moss and ARE are hurt, Thrash is hurt, Lloyd is hurt and stunk before that. I can't remember the last time so much money was spent to so little effect. Probably some of those Mets pitching staffs in the mid-1990s.

Not as much Pot here as those staffs(I hope). I think Randle El will stick around because him and Campbell click, but I think they'll deal Moss for picks(or package him and picks for someone like Chad Johnson).

[SkinsfaninNJ]

It's amazing. Just a year removed from massive spending to remake the wide receiving corps, it has to be done all over again. Moss and ARE are hurt, Thrash is hurt, Lloyd is hurt and stunk before that. I can't remember the last time so much money was spent to so little effect. Probably some of those Mets pitching staffs in the mid-1990s.

Very true. I even remember thinking overkill at the time based on the salaries. Boy was I wrong.

[CNYSkinFan]

Not as much Pot here as those staffs(I hope). I think Randle El will stick around because him and Campbell click, but I think they'll deal Moss for picks(or package him and picks for someone like Chad Johnson).
See I dont think they have the balls to do that, and here is why. Coach Gibbs is the GM and he loves Moss. Gibbs is loyal to a fault and is the perfect reason for not making your coach GM.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

See I dont think they have the balls to do that, and here is why. Coach Gibbs is the GM and he loves Moss. Gibbs is loyal to a fault and is the perfect reason for not making your coach GM.

Chad Johnson, although still very good, could really remake his career here like R. Moss. If it wouldn't take much more than Santana to get him, I would hope Gibbs would pull that trigger.

[akhhorus]

See I dont think they have the balls to do that, and here is why. Coach Gibbs is the GM and he loves Moss. Gibbs is loyal to a fault and is the perfect reason for not making your coach GM.

Gibbs is also ruthless in getting rid of players who don't produce. And Brunell is part of that list now(his contract was changed to a voidable deal where he'll be gone after this year).

[CNYSkinFan]

Gibbs is also ruthless in getting rid of players who don't produce. And Brunell is part of that list now(his contract was changed to a voidable deal where he'll be gone after this year).
sure but Brunell was also kept on when he wasnt proiducing, then he did, then he didnt again.

I think Gibbs is ruthless at getting rid of players who dont produce and also lockerroom distractions. Moss has not been one that I know of.

Again I am not arguing we shouldnt deal him, only that Gibbs wont

[bergiemoore]

I think we should blame Campbell for all of this and not pay any attention to the fact that expensive veterans like Portis and Moss play like chumps and the most productive wideouts are castoffs -- one of them 38 years old.

:lol3:

[Hr fan]

Don't get me wrong. I love Jason Campbell. He is our quarterback and I would take him over most of the young qbs in our league. He is progressing decently enough and gaining confidence each week. He is a superb athlete and has a tremendous upside....

BUT

At the end of games when driving for a go ahead score, Jason has simply not produced. I am concerned for his psyche. He seems unflappable but to be honest I have to wonder what effect this season is going to have on him.

Consider this. Out of the Redskins 6 losses, only one was a blowout, the Patriots. the other 5 Jason Campbell has had the ball in his hands with a chance to drive for a game winning or tieing score. Look at this:

NY Giants: Down by 7 Jason gets the ball on the 35 with two minutes to go. Everyone remembers the two failed runs by Betts during the drive but Campbell had a chance with a pass to Mike Sellers right before that was behind him and did not allow him to square up and get the td.

Green Bay: The Redskins actually had several drives when down 3. However the last two series were 3 and out and JC failed to complete a pass.

Philadelphia: Campbell fumbled on the second to last driveafter getting sacked. When we got the ball back after letting them score, Campbell went 1 for 4 on the final drive and failed to get us anywhere near scoring position.

Dallas: We all know about the interception to end the game.

Tampa Bay: Not one but two interceptions on potential game winning drives.

Now I am not blaming Campbell for all of these losses. Or even any of them. A team loses the games and there were plenty of blame to go around.

We also have to give Campbell and the offense credit for putting together game winning drives inn OT against Miami and the NY Jets. Though really it was running by Portis in the NY jets & Miami games.

It is a legitimate question now to ask whether close games are a significant problem for our young QB.

To blame him is not fair - it is who he is. To expect more after such a well documented resume of coming up short is unrealistic. He has enough experience to compare to Romo and Rothlisberger at similar stages. JC is Rypien, not what is gemerally considered a franchise QB who can make things happen to win close games. He will be adequate once we have a strong enough team to regularly be doing the Riggo drill in the 4th quarter.

[Biggie]

To blame him is not fair - it is who he is. To expect more after such a well documented resume of coming up short is unrealistic. He has enough experience to compare to Romo and Rothlisberger at similar stages. JC is Rypien, not what is gemerally considered a franchise QB who can make things happen to win close games. He will be adequate once we have a strong enough team to regularly be doing the We don't know that yet at all. The kid's only made three really bad throws in the last two games. Give him a break.

[Hr fan]

well he sure is doing alot of learning this season.........

Reminds of when I used to get turned down for dates in HS and my parents would say it is character building....after awhile I had enough character, i needed to get laid lol

One of the best posts I have read at any time on this site, and totally apropos to the occasion. LMFAO!!!!

[Hr fan]

We don't know that yet at all. The kid's only made three really bad throws in the last two games. Give him a break.

Red zone performance. 4th quarter performance. Some QBs just find a way to win, most don't. My point is JC is physically talented and mentally sharp, but something inherent in his make-up will always cause him to come up short at crunch time. After 16 starts the evidence is in - several crucial errors that aborted comebacks balanced against zero comebacks. He isn't a lost cause, but we should be comparing him to journeymen QBs, not the Montana and Elways. It is unfait to the kid - it just isn't who he is.

[openallnight]

The fact is great quarterbacks can find a way to will their team to a win almost every time.

Good Quarterbacks can do it every now and then.

I have yet to see where JC leads us to a big win from behind.

It is a missing element and until he gets that Monkey off his back it has to be eating at him

For several weeks I've been thinking that JC is not a "clutch" player. But, I haven't mentioned it as there are so many other things flawed with our team. But, it's becoming more an more obvious that JC is not the type of guy you can circle the wagons around and rally from behind to win.

There's 2 types of QBs in this league. Those that thrive in the critical situations and those that fold. It has nothing to do with experience. It's an innate ability to rise above the situation and even exceed your own limitations. Look at Brady. Sure, he made mistakes in his first season filling in for the injured Bledsoe. But, he always made plays when the game was on the line. Montana, Elway and Unitas had this ability which is why they are greatest this game has ever seen.

Now, this isn't an indictment of JC. He can be a good player that can win a lot of games. I just don't think he has the make up of the great ones. And we're not destined for success if the formula is requisite on coming from behind in the waning seconds.

[oldskinfan]

Jason Campbell could not win the recent games. But Jason Campbell also cannot be blamed for the losses. He has started just about a full season and is still improving. Eli Manning on the other hand has started for 3 years and continues to make bonehead moves.

Jason Campbell will learn from this. He went to the well too often and has to realize spread the ball around and also use his mobility more. I would like to see more rollouts and bootlegs in situations like this where there was plenty of clock left and he could have run the ball himself to the sidelines for 10 yard gains.

[Hr fan]

See I dont think they have the balls to do that, and here is why. Coach Gibbs is the GM and he loves Moss. Gibbs is loyal to a fault and is the perfect reason for not making your coach GM.

You saved me typing time by capturing my feelings exactly. Until and unless Gibbs becomes full time President with the power to hire a GM what we see is what we will get.

[Farmer Ted]

There's 2 types of QBs in this league. Those that thrive in the critical situations and those that fold. It has nothing to do with experience. It's an innate ability to rise above the situation and even exceed your own limitations. Look at Brady. Sure, he made mistakes in his first season filling in for the injured Bledsoe. But, he always made plays when the game was on the line. Montana, Elway and Unitas had this ability which is why they are greatest this game has ever seen.


The thing is, you don't have to be a hall-of-famer to bring your team back in the fourth quarter. Despite his general suckitude, Eli Manning has rallied the Giants many times in the 4th quarter. Hell, Rex Grossman had two late TD drives yesterday, and I don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that he's better than JC; perhaps a little more experienced, but that's all. For whatever reason, the last few weeks (and a few other times this season), Jason has really had major brain-farts in the clutch, when a good play could have won the game.

[Bluuz]

Campbell did just about everything right to bring the Skins back, except of course the interception in the end zone that lost the game. Dunno, he's still pretty young to be writing off as a mediocrity or a guy who can't win in the clutch.

[Meatsnack]

The issue of 4th quarter collapse can be laid at Jason's feet to the extent that he has thrown game-ending interceptions on more than one occasion. However, the idea that it is a character trait that can't be changed is a bit if a stretch.

Certainly, the ancient Greeks believed that cowardice or valor were learned traits and cultivated exposing their sons to controlled dangers when young and modeling proper behavior. The Roman Republic had a law that prevented male citizens from wearing silk or cotton because it compromised their daily practice of manly virtue i.e. wearing a wool toga. Julius Caesar said of the Nervii in Gaul, "They practice toughness." Clearly, keeping a cool head in adversity is not only something that can be learned but I would argue that Jason has exactly the kind of personality that lends itself to learning the necessary lessons.

Jason is a gunslinger and will take his shots without fear in the 4th. That is a necessary pre-requisite for succeeding in a comeback. Once he learns to keep his fundamentals and freeze the safety in the redzone he will start winning these games for us. He certainly won't give up and he won't fold. He is too committed and too courageous personally to do anything else.

[Jon Creveling]

The issue of 4th quarter collapse can be laid at Jason's feet to the extent that he has thrown game-ending interceptions on more than one occasion. However, the idea that it is a character trait that can't be changed is a bit if a stretch.



Jason is a gunslinger and will take his shots without fear in the 4th. That is a necessary pre-requisite for succeeding in a comeback. Once he learns to keep his fundamentals and freeze the safety in the redzone he will start winning these games for us. He certainly won't give up and he won't fold. He is too committed and too courageous personally to do anything else.

Didn't mean to hijack your quotes, but they do point out the good things to look for if you're looking for a real Q.B.. I'm concerned about some things but for now I choose not to turn a blind eye, but to allow the kid to play without being too critical. There was a stat on Thanksgiving Day about the last 8? yrs Dallas starting like 7 different Q.B.s and you can couple that with our own mess over the years. I think this kid is worth waiting for, I also would like to believe that he wants to get better and progress, that I do believe right or wrong at this point. Actually believe more so in him right now than other players and coaches on this team. He needs some help right now and he's realy not getting much. Despite the cool/calm/collected front he puts on , if you believe in him , you'd also like to think that he's trying his utmost best under tough circumstances. He is not realy being protected by his teammates and maybe part of the problem is he is trying too hard. Hate to say it but as far as other players around him, who realy comes up big for the kid? Short list is Cooley, just imagine Romo with only Witten to rely on. Had to endure the "misery at the Meadowlands" game as both NY& Philly Fox channels carried the Jints game and split time with that nfl.com gamecenter so I can't say I saw yesterdays game. Did see high-lights of both picks and they were bad no doubt about it. But going on the last few weeks with the late boneheaded picks it reminds (if looked at in a brightside way) of another Q.B. we had that also didn't set the world on fire, at first! Any older guys remember the Giants stadiumn fg game we lost like 12-9? When they finally let Theismann start throwing the ball? And he threw a terrible game ending interception when we had the tie if we wanted it. It's games like the last few that he has to go through or he'll never get to where we all want him to be!