QB's of the future

[greatest2]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3142771&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2

So ESPN looked at all the up and comers in the qb position and tried to see how good they would be, and see there strengths and weakness. They only used a few people for the scouting so im not sure how accurate they are with the strength and weakness but whatever. ITs another list we can debate over.

It looks like they say the verdict is out on JC and that he has everything to be a great QB, just he needs to be in the system longer. I'll take that:)

[PyroGenic]

I like the eli manning part

But I'm wondering how long QBs are considered "young", they still got big ben and palmer in there as QBs of the future.... more like QBs of the present to me...

[greatest2]

I like the eli manning part

But I'm wondering how long QBs are considered "young", they still got big ben and palmer in there as QBs of the future.... more like QBs of the present to me...

good point, i think at age 28 you need to be the present, cause there aint no more time left to grow. So homo has i guess another year, and stuff.

the future is now at 28 the latest i think

[shally]

good point, i think at age 28 you need to be the present, cause there aint no more time left to grow. So homo has i guess another year, and stuff.

the future is now at 28 the latest i think

not true.. how about guys like steve young or doug williams ? or even phil simms ? some guys take longer than others to "get" the position.. and some never do.

the only thing about JC that remains a concern for me is his overall accuracy.
he throws a lot of balls behind receivers on crossing routes, overthrows long throws a lot and does not hit his receivers in stride often enough.. BUT.. a lot of that is not enough reps with his receivers (moss is one culprit for certain)
or having different receivers in because of injuries. he definitely has a larger comfort zone with cooley and ARE compared to anyone else and i think with time he will become more accurate in his throws.

other than that, he has everything you could ever want in a qb prospect:
size, athleticism, arm strength, study habits, calm demeanor, leadership,
toughness and courage

he needs to develop better pocket presence and a sense of when to get rid of the ball or to slide around. that will come. he needs to hone his recognition skills so that he is fooled less often by the defense. that will come, too.
the rest is just game experience...

[redskin_rich]

not true.. how about guys like steve young or doug williams ? or even phil simms ? some guys take longer than others to "get" the position.. and some never do.

the only thing about JC that remains a concern for me is his overall accuracy.
he throws a lot of balls behind receivers on crossing routes, overthrows long throws a lot and does not hit his receivers in stride often enough.. BUT.. a lot of that is not enough reps with his receivers (moss is one culprit for certain)
or having different receivers in because of injuries. he definitely has a larger comfort zone with cooley and ARE compared to anyone else and i think with time he will become more accurate in his throws.

other than that, he has everything you could ever want in a qb prospect:
size, athleticism, arm strength, study habits, calm demeanor, leadership,
toughness and courage

he needs to develop better pocket presence and a sense of when to get rid of the ball or to slide around. that will come. he needs to hone his recognition skills so that he is fooled less often by the defense. that will come, too.
the rest is just game experience...

I agree with everything you stated but I wanted to comment on the examples you mentioned. Steve Young had to wait his turn, so that hurt his development but once he started playing for the 9ers, he was immediately a dangerous QB. It just took time for him to stop running and run the offense correctly.
Phil Simms spent a good part of his career in an ultra-conservative offense that was all about ball control, which made sense with their dominating defense.
I thought Doug Williams actually broke out of the gates pretty quick but injuries and coaching changes kind of derailed him a bit, until he came to DC.

I think guys like Drew Brees and Matt Hasselbeck are better examples of QB's that took a few years but developed nicely. A lot of it is coaching and personnel. Even Brett Favre slumped and went back into his bad habits after Holmgren left and the talent around him dropped.

[PyroGenic]

not true.. how about guys like steve young or doug williams ? or even phil simms ? some guys take longer than others to "get" the position.. and some never do.

the only thing about JC that remains a concern for me is his overall accuracy.
he throws a lot of balls behind receivers on crossing routes, overthrows long throws a lot and does not hit his receivers in stride often enough.. BUT.. a lot of that is not enough reps with his receivers (moss is one culprit for certain)
or having different receivers in because of injuries. he definitely has a larger comfort zone with cooley and ARE compared to anyone else and i think with time he will become more accurate in his throws.

other than that, he has everything you could ever want in a qb prospect:
size, athleticism, arm strength, study habits, calm demeanor, leadership,
toughness and courage

he needs to develop better pocket presence and a sense of when to get rid of the ball or to slide around. that will come. he needs to hone his recognition skills so that he is fooled less often by the defense. that will come, too.
the rest is just game experience...

even with that being said the examples ESPN gave aren't good comparisons to those guyst.... unless you think that Eli is going to turn godly down the road.

my main point about that was that Big Ben and Carson already are good QBs in this league. What is there to speculate about? They've been progressing well (more or less) throughout their progressive careers. They just shouldn't be on the list.

[shally]

even with that being said the examples ESPN gave aren't good comparisons to those guyst.... unless you think that Eli is going to turn godly down the road.

my main point about that was that Big Ben and Carson already are good QBs in this league. What is there to speculate about? They've been progressing well (more or less) throughout their progressive careers. They just shouldn't be on the list.

i kind of think that palmer has actually regressed a bit.. it is hard to tell because the team has definitely regressed around him, but he has had the same pair of wideouts and tight end for the entire time he has been there, so i think it is on him

big ben was in the perfect place. he looks to be the perfect system qb for the steelers. cant fault him for that, but it would be difficult for me to imagine him being too much better if he swapped places with JC for this past year.. we had holes everywhere

[shally]

I agree with everything you stated but I wanted to comment on the examples you mentioned. Steve Young had to wait his turn, so that hurt his development but once he started playing for the 9ers, he was immediately a dangerous QB. It just took time for him to stop running and run the offense correctly.
Phil Simms spent a good part of his career in an ultra-conservative offense that was all about ball control, which made sense with their dominating defense.
I thought Doug Williams actually broke out of the gates pretty quick but injuries and coaching changes kind of derailed him a bit, until he came to DC.

I think guys like Drew Brees and Matt Hasselbeck are better examples of QB's that took a few years but developed nicely. A lot of it is coaching and personnel. Even Brett Favre slumped and went back into his bad habits after Holmgren left and the talent around him dropped.

hasslebeck might be the best example of all.. when holmgren first put his trust totally in him, i thought he was nuts.. but he has been proved right

simms looked so bad for several years, but he came from a tiny college so his learning curve was pretty steep.. in parcells third year (when he almost quit) simms finally began to turn it around.. it was then that parcells could manage the type of stifling game plan because with joe morris and o j anderson simms only needed to be accurate and throw the ball 20-25 times per game. he was that and more..

young was a disaster with the bucs and in the usfl he ran around like crazy.. he was the second coming of bobby douglas and looked to run every chance he got. credit walsh with seeing the vast potential and credit young for remaking himself into a great thrower, but he looked like anything but that early in his career

doug williams was thrown to the wolves from day 1.. mckay let him get physically crushed every game. it is amazing he had anything left by the time he became a redskin

[PyroGenic]

i kind of think that palmer has actually regressed a bit.. it is hard to tell because the team has definitely regressed around him, but he has had the same pair of wideouts and tight end for the entire time he has been there, so i think it is on him

big ben was in the perfect place. he looks to be the perfect system qb for the steelers. cant fault him for that, but it would be difficult for me to imagine him being too much better if he swapped places with JC for this past year.. we had holes everywhere

I agree with you on both your points but you can make that line of argument for any QB really.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

i kind of think that palmer has actually regressed a bit.. it is hard to tell because the team has definitely regressed around him, but he has had the same pair of wideouts and tight end for the entire time he has been there, so i think it is on him

big ben was in the perfect place. he looks to be the perfect system qb for the steelers. cant fault him for that, but it would be difficult for me to imagine him being too much better if he swapped places with JC for this past year.. we had holes everywhere

Palmer has been very inconsistent this year. It could just be a down year for him and not a trend. Look at Big Ben. He was awful last year and very good this year.

[redskin_rich]

Palmer has been very inconsistent this year. It could just be a down year for him and not a trend. Look at Big Ben. He was awful last year and very good this year.
Well, missing all of training camp, after a nasty motorcycle accident that forced him to eat through a straw for nearly 2 months and the resulting weight loss and lack of conditioning can do that to a person.
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[give_portis_the_rock]

Palmer hasn't been the same since he got hurt
Still better than most guys in the league...

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Well, missing all of training camp, after a nasty motorcycle accident that forced him to eat through a straw for nearly 2 months and the resulting weight loss and lack of conditioning can do that to a person.
[/sarcasm]

I don't care enough to look it up, but didn't he also get really sick last year too?

I give him a ton of credit for coming back like he did, but when Wisenhunt offered the accident as an excuse for his poor play earlier this season, Ben said the accident had nothing to do with it.

[PyroGenic]

Well, missing all of training camp, after a nasty motorcycle accident that forced him to eat through a straw for nearly 2 months and the resulting weight loss and lack of conditioning can do that to a person.
[/sarcasm]

don't forget the burst appendix!

[Ibleedburgundy]

This was a good read. I looked up Cutler's stats and have to admit they are a little better than I thought. They had him on Southpark and Stan goes up to him and says "My Dad says you suck but you might be pretty good some day." LOL

Garrard is on there but he's 29. I think he has about 25 starts under his belt but he didn't break out until this year. He has low mileage and not too many injuries and a strong arm. No reason to think he can't play for another 6-8 years. Second best QB rating in the NFL, best QB rating on third downs.

I never thought Eli would be any good. I'm actually surprised he's as good as he is. He's like the Dubya of the Mannings.

[Hr fan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3142771&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos2

So ESPN looked at all the up and comers in the qb position and tried to see how good they would be, and see there strengths and weakness. They only used a few people for the scouting so im not sure how accurate they are with the strength and weakness but whatever. ITs another list we can debate over.

It looks like they say the verdict is out on JC and that he has everything to be a great QB, just he needs to be in the system longer. I'll take that:)

If he had won (finished) some games I think the jury would be in - and favorable.

[shally]

Palmer has been very inconsistent this year. It could just be a down year for him and not a trend. Look at Big Ben. He was awful last year and very good this year.

not uncommon with youg qb's who shoulder a lot of the responsibility for their team's offenses..

[SkinsfaninNJ]

By the way, I hope The Game er... Rick James doesn't see this article. I can't imagine how he will react to a reputable media source saying Campbell is a franchise QB worth holding on to.