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[PennSkinsFan]

but were making you do it!

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[redwolf1218]

i voted Todd Collins. i know Jason has superior physical tools, but sometimes the most important thing about the QB is his brain, and Collins is making all the right decisions. i keep thinking we lost 3 games with last minute interceptions that Collins might not have thrown.

[CarMike]

I voted for Collins. Listen. Like i've been saying, Jason doesn't need to rush back and risk further damaging his knee. Take the extra time off and come back in late July ready to lead the team. IMO, it just doesn't make sense for JC to hurry back...

[redwolf1218]

I voted for Collins. Listen. Like i've been saying, Jason doesn't need to rush back and risk further damaging his knee. Take the extra time off and come back in late July ready to lead the team. IMO, it just doesn't make sense for JC to hurry back...

i agree. at best, i would elevate him to the 3rd emergency QB spot and send the Maryland kid back to the practice squad.

[redwolf1218]

from redskins.com:

Could he come back for a playoff game?

"We just have to wait and see [with Campbell]," Gibbs said. "He's still working and coming back. We're hoping to get him back at some point. We'll make a good decision when Jason gets back, but certainly the way Todd [Collins] is playing is a huge part of where we've gotten to right now."

Reporters pressed Gibbs on whether Campbell, if healthy, would replace Collins for a playoff game.

"I did not say that," Gibbs said. "I said that we would face that [decision] when we come to it. I said right now the guy that's playing [quarterback] is awfully impressive."

[Redskin-4-life]

I voted for Collins. You don't want to rush JC back too early, and it may upset the chemisty that the offense and team has develop.

[CNYSkinFan]

I voted JC and right now I am 14-1 against....I like those odds :)

[Skinz4lyfe]

I thought we should have shut JC down when the injury first occured. I agree there is no need to rush him back. However, I'd probably play JC if he were fully healthy because he's our starter and the superior QB.

[ihatedallas]

Collins, he is not making any mistakes, and thats what we need. I love JC, but I would cry if we threw away the gae on an interception in the last 2 minutes again...

[NCskinsfanatic]

Collins is orchestrating a nice little playoff run, I don't think theres anyway JC can be 100% healthy if we make the playoffs, atleast not by Seattle and why mess with a good thing. Todd's definately the back up IMO, and they're obviously many physical attributes that he lacks that JC brings to the table. However, you have to go with the girl ya brought to the dance and you dont want to risk further injury to our franchise QB. Todd's got a year or two left but JC's our starting QB for the foreseeable future, he'll have his shot at the playoffs again IMO.

[CamLwalk]

I voted JC. But, I trust whatever Joe decides. (God, it feels good to say that).

[Patrick]

As it's been said on other threads ............... Campbell is our starter and when he's healthy should be inserted back into the lineup. That being said - The injury he has takes awhile to heal correctly and rushing him back is a risk. The kid should have been put on the IR but the Skins have a VERY experienced training staff and doctors so I guess they see it differently.
So far the results with Collins have been everything we could have dreamed for - let it play out.

[MPCSkins]

I voted for Campbell but that is only if he is 100%. If he is anything less, I don't think we should risk playing him because Collins is playing well. But if it turns out he does feel 100%, which I doubt will happen, then I think he has the tools to make a playoff run as long as they open up the playbook for him.

[ChapelHillMatt]

I think it's possibe you could mess up team chemistry by going back to Campbell. I'm a huge Jason Campbel fan and there is no doubt in my mind he should be the starter going into next year but I think you have to stick with Collins if we get into the playoffs. You don't try and fix what's not broken. Plus, like Car Mike said, why rush him back when there is no need to do so? Randy Thomas tried to come back and he wasn't ready, just let JC get ready for next year.

I voted Collins obviously.

[Keino]

I didn't vote. Mainly because I have no idea who Jason Cambpell is and when he got on our team. Between him and Collins, I say Collins. Between Campbell and Collins, I take Campbell.

We ain't winning the Superbowl. Give the kid some playoff experience.

[ChapelHillMatt]

We ain't winning the Superbowl. Give the kid some playoff experience.

I never thought about it that way, that's an interesting point you bring up.

[KidBroSweets]

I never thought about it that way, that's an interesting point you bring up.


Ehhh yeah I see your point, but once you get in the playoffs, really anything can happen. I mean we are in the weak NFC. however, it is extremely tough to win 3 road games in a row against good teams.

[LuvSkins17]

I said go with Todd. I think with the way Todd is playing right now, we would be crazy to put Jason in, even though he is the starter. Jason is not going to be 100% for the rest of the season. You have to look at it this way too... This is the first time that Jason is seeing this offense and what it can do. He didn't get taught any of this stuff when Mark Brunnel was starting. He can't truely go through the motions that Todd is going through right now. This is the best learning that Jason can do while he is healing. Todd is not stinking up the place and with his play, everyone seems to be picking up their game. They are having some fun. The O line is playing better and it could be because the D Lines that we are facing are not just Tee-ing off and coming after the QB. We now have the threat of a run or a Deep pass and the defenses have to think more.

Jason needs to take this as an opportunity to truely watch the offense and how effective it can be (and without a true Possession Reciever). I love Jason and he is the future but right now is here "Right Now".

Go Skins!!!

[CNYSkinFan]

I didn't vote. Mainly because I have no idea who Jason Cambpell is and when he got on our team. Between him and Collins, I say Collins. Between Campbell and Collins, I take Campbell.

We ain't winning the Superbowl. Give the kid some playoff experience.
I am with Keino...and I have stated this point before. It is better for the long term health of this fracnhise to rise or set with JC. If we really want to make a superbowkl run in the next two years, it will be JC that leads us there. Collins has done well, aganst pretty bad defenses. Against the Giants 8-26. Collins may not turn the ball over as much but JC is the more talented player. How long we will continually let him ride the bench in favor of old guys who can't win us the big game?

At the end of the day we will not win our lose playoff games (if we get in) on QB play. We will win our lose on the legs of CP and the defense (god help us). Get JC valuable experience and tell Al Saunders to call the same damn game plan for JC as he did for TC.

[Keino]

Collins has performed admirably. To me, however, he has only proven that we are good to part ways with Mark Brunell. I didn't think that before Collins was pressed into action.

Obviously I agree with Dustin here, but I think he makes a great point. The play calling is different and it is noticeable. I'd like to see Campbell be given the same sort of open gameplan and play calling.

[Farmer Ted]

I think we're in a similar situation now that we were in during the '87 playoffs, albeit with a lesser team. Then, we had a veteran QB who hadn't played all that much in the NFL in the previous 5 seasons, and really, hadn't played a whole helluva lot for the Redskins in the previous 2 seasons as a member of the team. We also had a young guy with a cannon of an arm who was seen as the future franchise QB. We went with the old guy. It worked out pretty well. I doubt we could've gotten the same results with the young guy.

I say stick with the old guy.

[Keino]

I think we're in a similar situation now that we were in during the '87 playoffs, albeit with a lesser team. Then, we had a veteran QB who hadn't played all that much in the NFL in the previous 5 seasons, and really, hadn't played a whole helluva lot for the Redskins in the previous 2 seasons as a member of the team. We also had a young guy with a cannon of an arm who was seen as the future franchise QB. We went with the old guy. It worked out pretty well. I doubt we could've gotten the same results with the young guy.

I say stick with the old guy.

The difference being that the older guy was experienced, had playoff experience and had made his last professional start about a year before he was on our team. Also, the young guy in question was not the undisputed starter and the two players went back and forth throughout the season. Lastly, and I think the most crucial difference is that the young guy in 87 did not have the respect of his teamates in the locker-room and was stand-offish whereas this young guy seems to have the respect the whole team, and he is clearly not stand-offish.

The team in 87 was a contender. This team is not.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I didn't vote. Mainly because I have no idea who Jason Cambpell is and when he got on our team. Between him and Collins, I say Collins. Between Campbell and Collins, I take Campbell.

We ain't winning the Superbowl. Give the kid some playoff experience.

I hear what you are saying, but would anyone be surprised if we beat a one dimensional Seatle team, and then beat the Cowboys who we should have/would have beaten in Dallas already this year, especially with a gimpy at best TO? And then play the Packers who we completely let off the hook.

Trust me when I say I am booking no reservations and am far from counting us into the playoffs, but once we are there, there is no one in the NFC we can't beat.

[Farmer Ted]

The team in 87 was a contender. This team is not.

I couldn't disagree more. If the Skins make the playoffs, they're contenders. There's not a single team in the NFC that they can't beat on the road. They just beat two playoff caliber teams on the road in the last two weeks, and they lost close road games to the two top teams in the NFC. I would welcome re-matches with either team. I think you're selling the Skins a bit short.

[SkinsKY]

Collins has performed admirably. To me, however, he has only proven that we are good to part ways with Mark Brunell. I didn't think that before Collins was pressed into action.

Obviously I agree with Dustin here, but I think he makes a great point. The play calling is different and it is noticeable. I'd like to see Campbell be given the same sort of open gameplan and play calling.I agree about the playcalling as well. I voted for Collins, but only to make sure that Campbell is healthy. If Jason is 100% and we get the same playcalling that Collins gets, I'd change my vote, but that doesn't seem likely.

[SkinsKY]

I couldn't disagree more. If the Skins make the playoffs, they're contenders. There's not a single team in the NFC that they can't beat on the road. They just beat two playoff caliber teams on the road in the last two weeks, and they lost close road games to the two top teams in the NFC. I would welcome re-matches with either team. I think you're selling the Skins a bit short.

The Vikings are not a quality team. The Giants are getting ready to fold and would have if they didn't get a couple huge plays. Right now, you don't have to be a quality team to make the playoffs in the NFC. This team has potential, but I'm not willing to bet anything on it right now.

[CNYSkinFan]

The difference being that the older guy was experienced, had playoff experience and had made his last professional start about a year before he was on our team. Also, the young guy in question was not the undisputed starter and the two players went back and forth throughout the season. Lastly, and I think the most crucial difference is that the young guy in 87 did not have the respect of his teamates in the locker-room and was stand-offish whereas this young guy seems to have the respect the whole team, and he is clearly not stand-offish.

The team in 87 was a contender. This team is not.
and dont forget the strike. Because the season was shortened by the strike Coaching became more important then talent. The Coaching of Gibbs got our team into great position and Williams ended up being the better suited to go for a short season and playoff run.

It also leaves a bad taste in my mouth when someone loses a job to injury. If it was an older guy falling and a younger guy's star rising, that is one thing. law of the jungle and all, but that is not the case here.

[skinsfan-ny]

Voted for collins for the remainder of the year. under the current circumstances he gives us the best chance to win. no reason to rush jc, he will be the starter next year. this year's experience should allow the coaching staff open up the playbook more next year without damaging jc's confidence.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think the playbook has been opened up and the offense looks better because Collins has about 8 years of experience studying it. JC is the better QB hands down and I think once he has more time in this offense his physical talents will allow him to do things Todd can't. That being said we are playing well and running this offense more smoothly now than at anytime this season.

Todd's experience and quick decision making have really made his weak arm less of a liability than I thought it would be. It's not that his arm is stronger than I thought, or he has a Marino esque release, he just knows the offense inside and out. And for the first time in quite awhile defenses are aware of our ability to pass the ball.. thereby opening up the run. I mean Todd's got his limitations and I know it's cliche but in this case... knowledge is power.

Now before you think I'm down on JC and think Todd's our savior... nothing could be further than the truth. JC's our future but I don't see how he can really be 100% after a kneecap dislocation and ligament sprain occuring on Dec 6th. I think he's the franchise QB this team has waited for for so long. I think he's been here all year long and he wants to get back on the field and lead his team in the postseason. I get that, but it's not worth further injuring his knee and being out as long as Carlos or Rocky will be, he's not going to lose his job to Todd nor should he. I think the safer thing to do, especially with 4 starters on IR and our penchant for injuries this season, would to be let JC heal and get ready to lead the team to the playoffs next season.

The playoffs would be a great learning opportunity for JC, I agree, but not at the sake of hurting himself or the team. Todds playing fine, JC's banged up, so Todd's the starter. If JC is 100% healthy than he's your guy and you go with him...but unfortunately right now thats just not the case and IMO there's no need to fix it if it aint broke.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

The Vikings are not a quality team. The Giants are getting ready to fold and would have if they didn't get a couple huge plays. Right now, you don't have to be a quality team to make the playoffs in the NFC. This team has potential, but I'm not willing to bet anything on it right now.

I am not willing to bet anything on the Skins either, but who in the NFC can't we beat?

[MadDog97]

You have to go with Collins unless JC is completely healthy AND Collins falters. JC should be # 2 on the chart once he heals completely.

[The_Sonny_Of_Sammy]

Todd. I like to see catches for TD's and wins.

[redskinz#1fan]

Ehhh yeah I see your point, but once you get in the playoffs, really anything can happen. I mean we are in the weak NFC. however, it is extremely tough to win 3 road games in a row against good teams.

You mean like The Steelers did! :)

[redskinz#1fan]

I voted Jason...only assuming he was 1000% healthy. If he was hurting a little, then don't send him in! I don't won;t to risk further injury.

[KidBroSweets]

You mean like The Steelers did! :)

Yeah it definitely can be done, I'm not denying that. However, it's still extremely tough to do. Pittsburgh DID have a better team than we do though. But on the flip side, you could argue we are in a weaker conference than they were so it evens out.

[shally]

a no brainer..

you go with collins this season until we lose, whenever that is..

next season, you open with JC as starter and stay that way hopefully all year

but you sign TC to be backup

[MadDog97]

a no brainer..

you go with collins this season until we lose, whenever that is..

next season, you open with JC as starter and stay that way hopefully all year

but you sign TC to be backup

You got with Todd until we lose or Todd gets banged up. Then, if 100% healthy, go with Jason if Todd gets hurt. I think Brunell only if both Todd and JC are hurt.

It should be a no brainer that JC starts next year. The question is what do you do with Brunell? How much is left on his contract.

:thinker:

[shally]

You got with Todd until we lose or Todd gets banged up. Then, if 100% healthy, go with Jason if Todd gets hurt. I think Brunell only if both Todd and JC are hurt.

It should be a no brainer that JC starts next year. The question is what do you do with Brunell? How much is left on his contract.

:thinker:

brunell is gone.. he has a voidable contract that will save the skins a whole bunch in cap space next year..

he gets a deal from snyder to be some kind of community rep for a nice figure.. but he is gone

[give_portis_the_rock]

I didn't vote. Mainly because I have no idea who Jason Cambpell is and when he got on our team. Between him and Collins, I say Collins. Between Campbell and Collins, I take Campbell.

We ain't winning the Superbowl. Give the kid some playoff experience.

Agreed, playoff experience would help him a great deal

[Farmer Ted]

Ehhh yeah I see your point, but once you get in the playoffs, really anything can happen. I mean we are in the weak NFC. however, it is extremely tough to win 3 road games in a row against good teams.

Just an FYI, but the NFC is 31-29 against the AFC this year. The AFC has the top two teams, but other than that, the NFC is pretty competitive.

[ChapelHillMatt]

Just an FYI, but the NFC is 31-29 against the AFC this year. The AFC has the top two teams, but other than that, the NFC is pretty competitive.

Yeah I guess the playoff teams in the NFC can play with them, it's not like AL vs NL in baseball at least. Still though the AFC has better teams.

New England and Indy are world's better than Dallas and Green Bay.

Pittsburgh and Jacksonville are a lot better than Seattle and Tampa Bay.

Chargers and Titans/Browns are better than the Giants and Skins/Vikings/Saints as well.

I think the AFC is better, NFC can play with them of course but the AFC is clearly the superior league.

[James F. Quinn]

brunell is gone.. he has a voidable contract that will save the skins a whole bunch in cap space next year..

he gets a deal from snyder to be some kind of community rep for a nice figure.. but he is gone

No, no. Mark will go to the Raiders, who will ride his mighty arm to the playoffs in 2008, while the future franchise QB learns from the master how to dump off 25 passes per game.

[redskin_rich]

Yeah I guess the playoff teams in the NFC can play with them, it's not like AL vs NL in baseball at least. Still though the AFC has better teams.

New England and Indy are world's better than Dallas and Green Bay.

Pittsburgh and Jacksonville are a lot better than Seattle and Tampa Bay.

Chargers and Titans/Browns are better than the Giants and Skins/Vikings/Saints as well.

I think the AFC is better, NFC can play with them of course but the AFC is clearly the superior league.
Best division in the league is the NFC East, followed closely by the AFC South.

[Keino]

I couldn't disagree more. If the Skins make the playoffs, they're contenders. There's not a single team in the NFC that they can't beat on the road. They just beat two playoff caliber teams on the road in the last two weeks, and they lost close road games to the two top teams in the NFC. I would welcome re-matches with either team. I think you're selling the Skins a bit short.

Im not selling them short, I am being realistic. Winning on the road in the playoffs is a tough thing to do. No 9-7 team has ever won the Superbowl. Ever. Seattle is coming on as strong as we are and they have one of the toughest stadiums to play in.

What I am not doing is selling our Starting QB short. He gives us as much chance to win as the back-up, more IMO because of what he can do with his legs.

[openallnight]

i voted Todd Collins. i know Jason has superior physical tools, but sometimes the most important thing about the QB is his brain, and Collins is making all the right decisions. i keep thinking we lost 3 games with last minute interceptions that Collins might not have thrown.

I hate to admit it but, I've thought the same thing.

[Keino]

You mean like The Steelers did! :)

That team was 11-5. Had a dominant Defense and a dominant running game. They were much better than the 6th seed they earned in the AFC. With their record that year, they would have been no worse than the 3 seed in the NFC (Bucs were 11-5 and won the AFC South).

[Dolla Bill]

Yes, Campbell can make plays with his legs, but do not forget that 4 weeks ago, he had a dislocated knee. We do not know how he will react to running, throwing, moving, and most importantly taking a hit on that knee. I still say this is JC's team, but I do not want to risk the future for the here and now. Its too much of a risk against a defense such as Dallass'. He will serve better knowing how this offense is really supposed to click. Saunders has opened up the entire playbook with Collins. If JC is in, its going to get whittled, again.

[Keino]

Yes, Campbell can make plays with his legs, but do not forget that 4 weeks ago, he had a dislocated knee. We do not know how he will react to running, throwing, moving, and most importantly taking a hit on that knee. I still say this is JC's team, but I do not want to risk the future for the here and now. Its too much of a risk against a defense such as Dallass'. He will serve better knowing how this offense is really supposed to click. Saunders has opened up the entire playbook with Collins. If JC is in, its going to get whittled, again.

The question assumes 100% health for JC.

Your last statement speaks to the crux of the issue here. Why won't he open up the playbook for JC? Is there something JC is not getting, when he has been praised for his smarts and work ethic?

This is what I don't get. We get great play calling when our lesser talent is in the game. But old Fogism when our Young talented guy is in there. It's really ridiculous actually.

[James F. Quinn]

The question assumes 100% health for JC.

Your last statement speaks to the crux of the issue here. Why won't he open up the playbook for JC? Is there something JC is not getting, when he has been praised for his smarts and work ethic?

This is what I don't get. We get great play calling when our lesser talent is in the game. But old Fogism when our Young talented guy is in there. It's really ridiculous actually.

It is possible that despite Jason's smarts and his work ethic and his physical extra dimensions, he is still taking baby steps in mastering the offense. Someone somewhere on this forum said that it supposedly takes three years for a QB to master Al's O. This is Jason's first year plus (20 starts?) when you count actual playing time.

[Keino]

It is possible that despite Jason's smarts and his work ethic and his physical extra dimensions, he is still taking baby steps in mastering the offense. Someone somewhere on this forum said that it supposedly takes three years for a QB to master Al's O. This is Jason's first year plus (20 starts?) when you count actual playing time.

But it's his second year in the offense.

I mean was Trent Green operating under a dialed down Saunders offense in his 1st year or two in the system? I doubt it.

You have to let your players play. It is the only way they grow.

[skinsfan-ny]

But it's his second year in the offense.

I mean was Trent Green operating under a dialed down Saunders offense in his 1st year or two in the system? I doubt it.

You have to let your players play. It is the only way they grow.

I guess you can go the sink or swim route but I think the coaching staff sees a promising young qb and wants to bring him along without destroying his confidence. Trent Green had the luxury of a few years of experience in the league before playing under saunder which might have allowed him to progress quicker in the offense. jc will have another offseason to work on the offense as the starter and should be able to handle the full load next year.

[Keino]

If you name him starter, of course its sink or swim. You don't hold back your entire offense because you are coddling your QB. It retards his development and it holds back the team. I've been saying since like week 3 that they need to take the handcuffs off the kid so that we can see what we have. IMO par for the course with playing a young QB is that you have to live with his mistakes....but anything other than complete and total immersion in the offensive scheme is unacceptable. Otherwise, start the guy you are confident in.

These are professionals. If you are going to hand the keys to your shiny automobile to a driver, you make sure you trust the driver. You don't hand the keys over and then refuse to let him shift out of neutral because you don't trust him. You'll never get where you want to go that way.

[Farmer Ted]

Trent Green had the luxury of a few years of experience in the league before playing under saunder which might have allowed him to progress quicker in the offense.

I thought Saunders was the OC in St. Louis in '99, when Green was there with a hurt knee. He already had a head-start on learning the system before he joined KC. And his first year in KC (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GreeTr00.htm)wasn't all that good (71.1 rating).

[Keino]

I thought Saunders was the OC in St. Louis in '99, when Green was there with a hurt knee. He already had a head-start on learning the system before he joined KC. And his first year in KC (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GreeTr00.htm)wasn't all that good (71.1 rating).

He threw for 3800 yards. What brought his rating down was the 24 INTs compared to 17 TDs. Full offensive scheme and he was given time to grow into it. And while we are making the comparison, let us also be aware that Trent Green started all of 24 games before he started for Saunders in KC, 16 of which were spent playing for Norv Turner here in Washington.

So to recap, Trent got 1 year (5 starts) in the system before he was given the Full Reigns with no holds barred and allowed to flourish.

JC has had the same amount of time. 1 Year and 7 Starts prior to this season. The time to hold him back was last year not this year.

Thanks for proving my point.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

He threw for 3800 yards. What brought his rating down was the 24 INTs compared to 17 TDs. Full offensive scheme and he was given time to grow into it. And while we are making the comparison, let us also be aware that Trent Green started all of 24 games before he started for Saunders in KC, 16 of which were spent playing for Norv Turner here in Washington.

So to recap, Trent got 1 year (5 starts) in the system before he was given the Full Reigns with no holds barred and allowed to flourish.

JC has had the same amount of time. 1 Year and 7 Starts prior to this season. The time to hold him back was last year not this year.

Thanks for proving my point.

It seems increasingly likely that this coaching staff will be back intact next year. I expect to see great things from the offense and specifically from Campbell next year.

[skinsfan-ny]

He threw for 3800 yards. What brought his rating down was the 24 INTs compared to 17 TDs. Full offensive scheme and he was given time to grow into it. And while we are making the comparison, let us also be aware that Trent Green started all of 24 games before he started for Saunders in KC, 16 of which were spent playing for Norv Turner here in Washington.

So to recap, Trent got 1 year (5 starts) in the system before he was given the Full Reigns with no holds barred and allowed to flourish.

JC has had the same amount of time. 1 Year and 7 Starts prior to this season. The time to hold him back was last year not this year.

Thanks for proving my point.

We have no way to know for sure if the coaches are holding jason back. But knowing Joe Gibbs and his strong preference for veterans it's possible. Since it's very unlike we will see JC this year, I'm hoping the team plays well in the playoffs with collins - after we beat dallass. There should be no reason for a limited playbook next year with a qb and team that has another year of experience in the system.

[shally]

We have no way to know for sure if the coaches are holding jason back. But knowing Joe Gibbs and his strong preference for veterans it's possible. Since it's very unlike we will see JC this year, I'm hoping the team plays well in the playoffs with collins - after we beat dallass. There should be no reason for a limited playbook next year with a qb and team that has another year of experience in the system.

we DO know that he wasnt allowed to run the no huddle until the second half of this season. so it would seem to be obvious that parts of the playbook were thrown out when JC was starter

who knows, they might not use it all for TC as well. maybe there are certain plays that just dont fit his strength ? we have no way of knowing

but i do think that the past 3 games have been a vindication of AS's offense in a very concrete way. he has shown that his offense can move the ball. can still have a sound running attack. and can close out an opponent in the 4th quarter.. if AS had any level of frustration before this stretch, he has to feel really good about himself now. and perhaps it has proved to gibbs that we dont have to use heavy jumbo in every fourth down critical short yardage play. but, i also think that having a veteran qb operating the AS offense has give gibbs a comfort level that he did not have with JC.

i really hope that this confidence in AS carries over to next year when JC is once again the starter..

[Keino]

We have no way to know for sure if the coaches are holding jason back. But knowing Joe Gibbs and his strong preference for veterans it's possible. Since it's very unlike we will see JC this year, I'm hoping the team plays well in the playoffs with collins - after we beat dallass. There should be no reason for a limited playbook next year with a qb and team that has another year of experience in the system.


But we do know that the playcalling is different, so we can only deduce that the Coaches either had less confidence in JC's grasp of the playbook, or they intentionally pared it down in an effort to "protect" his confidence. Either way, it amounts to "holding back" in one form or another.

My point, especially in raising the Trent Green example is that there should have been no reason to go with a limited playbook in the 1st place. Trent was older, but no more experienced within the system than JC, yet he was given the full arsenal, and IMO lesser weapons but a stronger O Line. Having said that, I don't know if the blame for this goes to Saunders or Gibbs or both.

[Hr fan]

i voted Todd Collins. i know Jason has superior physical tools, but sometimes the most important thing about the QB is his brain, and Collins is making all the right decisions. i keep thinking we lost 3 games with last minute interceptions that Collins might not have thrown.

I voted Todd also, and not just because of the rust a layoff this long makes inevitable or the danger physically of coming back too soon. As others have pointed out, Jason's ints and tos have contributed to losing games. He appears to be afraid of losing more than managing the game at critical times. Just watching Todd now should be a learning process on how to manage the end game to win rather than to not lose. JC is and will be the starting QB - I strongly doubt 36 yr old TC could last a full season. But he has proven the worth of the playbook and should spur JC to learn it well enough to inspire Saunder's confidence in his ability to execute all of it.

[James F. Quinn]

I voted Todd also, and not just because of the rust a layoff this long makes inevitable or the danger physically of coming back too soon. As others have pointed out, Jason's ints and tos have contributed to losing games. He appears to be afraid of losing more than managing the game at critical times. Just watching Todd now should be a learning process on how to manage the end game to win rather than to not lose. JC is and will be the starting QB - I strongly doubt 36 yr old TC could last a full season. But he has proven the worth of the playbook and should spur JC to learn it well enough to inspire Saunder's confidence in his ability to execute all of it.

Just to poke a stick in the hive, I read Matt Bowen's weekly column in the Washington Examiner today. He suggested that if we win over Dallas and make something of the playoffs, next TC should be a real competition for the starting QB job between Collins and Campbell.

I know, I know, it's anathema. But OTOH, isn't there supposed to be competion for each job unless one guy has it completely locked up?

Does Jason have the starting job that locked up? Does he give us the better chance to win each week than Todd?

[morty55]

I voted JC and right now I am 14-1 against....I like those odds :)

..25% conversion of first down opportunities in the 4th qtr??..

where just 2 or 3 1sts this year would have us looking at 11-12 wins

all of a sudden we get respected..get 1st downs in the 4th..and even score...
of course we need to rock the boat