Joe Gibbs II...Mr. December

[CNYSkinFan]

I thought I would do a comparison on how Jope Gibbs teams fared during the last four seasons by month. Here is what I came up with:

September 6-5
October 6-11
November 4-12
December 12-7

It becomes pretty clear that Gibbs teams close a season well. This is despite a 1-4 December record in 2006.

What it also shows is that they get complacent in October and november and need to rally at the end of the year.

In fact Gibbs II has never won the months of October or November in the span of his second stint. His best record in October is 2-2 this year and November is 2-2 in 2006.

Don't know what it says, but one thing is for sure, when the weather gets cold and The games start to have more pressure, Gibbs coached teams tend to respond.

[CNYSkinFan]

And Gibbs in his first stint had something like a 66% winning record in December as well.

[KidBroSweets]

Now if we could only start out well for the 1st couple months we'd be in great shape!:thinker:

[CNYSkinFan]

Now if we could only start out well for the 1st couple months we'd be in great shape!:thinker:
We actua;lly start out well...but it is the middle that we lose interest and bottom out.

[ChapelHillMatt]

We actua;lly start out well...but it is the middle that we lose interest and bottom out.

I know and it's so frustrating.

I went to the Eagles game when we had a chance to go 6-3 but we couldn't help ourselves, we had to lose that game and then 3 more to go 5-7 and put our backs right up against the wall.

I'll give Gibbs credit though, his teams in December are amazing.

[esmith1790]

maybe it is due to taking a little time to get all the new players and offensive/defensive schemes down. Since Gibbs goes so vanilla in the preseason it takes a while to gel and get going.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

maybe it is due to taking a little time to get all the new players and offensive/defensive schemes down. Since Gibbs goes so vanilla in the preseason it takes a while to gel and get going.

I don't know if it schemes or what, but I think you are on to something.

I commented after the Vikings game that I'm glad Portis gets better as the season goes, but I believe Doc Walker when he says that Portis cannot be in game shape for at least the first month of the season because of NO work in the preseason.

We should strive to stop mid season malaise next year.

[KidBroSweets]

We actua;lly start out well...but it is the middle that we lose interest and bottom out.

Yeah actually you're right. Seems like we start out 4-2 and they get our hopes up every year only to go on a 4 games losing streak.

[KidBroSweets]

I don't know if it schemes or what, but I think you are on to something.

I commented after the Vikings game that I'm glad Portis gets better as the season goes, but I believe Doc Walker when he says that Portis cannot be in game shape for at least the first month of the season because of NO work in the preseason.

We should strive to stop mid season malaise next year.

Yeah I think that's a good point about CP. I think he needs to get SOME work in the preseason. Problem with this is, who's gonna convice Clinton that he needs the work in preseason?

Another factor in this midseason losing streak is injuries. And believe me, Im the last one to make an injury excuse. However, if most of the team would stay healthy (ESP the o-line) I believe we'd be more competitive and prolly win more games.

[hail2skins]

maybe it is due to taking a little time to get all the new players and offensive/defensive schemes down. Since Gibbs goes so vanilla in the preseason it takes a while to gel and get going.
They weren't as vanilla this preseason as they've been in the past. I attribute this year to the loss of the right side of the oline and the time it has taken the replacements to gel playing together. I also think that the approach the coaches took with going conservative with leads played a roll in it as well. Add on top of that a rookie QB starting and the injuries to the WR's. Portis also need more time to get back into game shape.

Those aren't excuses. This team needs to learn that their backs are against the wall all season long. They back themselves into a corner and then come out swinging in the later rounds. They need to start swinging earlier

[shally]

I thought I would do a comparison on how Jope Gibbs teams fared during the last four seasons by month. Here is what I came up with:

September 6-5
October 6-11
November 4-12
December 12-7

It becomes pretty clear that Gibbs teams close a season well. This is despite a 1-4 December record in 2006.

What it also shows is that they get complacent in October and november and need to rally at the end of the year.

In fact Gibbs II has never won the months of October or November in the span of his second stint. His best record in October is 2-2 this year and November is 2-2 in 2006.

Don't know what it says, but one thing is for sure, when the weather gets cold and The games start to have more pressure, Gibbs coached teams tend to respond.

what is says to me is that gibbs has never been able to convey a sense of urgency to his teams, or really motivate them in first half of the season.

it seems they tune him out until their backs are completely against the wall and only then do they put out.

it also speaks against injuries being the primary problem because injuries tend to accumulate as you go through the season.

[shally]

. This team needs to learn that their backs are against the wall all season long. They back themselves into a corner and then come out swinging in the later rounds. They need to start swinging earlier[/QUOTE]

AMEN !!! wins count as much in october as they do in december.. it is time the team behaves as though they comprehend that much

[skinsfan36]

he has been good in dedember but we need to start better imo and play ALOT better midseason

[smoak]

Now if we could only start out well for the 1st couple months we'd be in great shape!:thinker:

Actually we do start well. It s the middle ground where we struggle.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Yeah I think that's a good point about CP. I think he needs to get SOME work in the preseason. Problem with this is, who's gonna convice Clinton that he needs the work in preseason?

Another factor in this midseason losing streak is injuries. And believe me, Im the last one to make an injury excuse. However, if most of the team would stay healthy (ESP the o-line) I believe we'd be more competitive and prolly win more games.

I was thinking about this yesterday. Nagging injuries mid-season are different than later in the year when the player may play through it knowing every game is essential or earlier in the year when everyone is else is playing fresh and healthy. Players with nagging mid-season injuries will often take a game or two off in hopes of getting healthier for the stretch run, and to make it worse, everyone else around them is playing at less than 100%. I think this speaks to our lack of depth. We have improved our depth, but not to where it needs to be.

[James F. Quinn]

what is says to me is that gibbs has never been able to convey a sense of urgency to his teams, or really motivate them in first half of the season.

it seems they tune him out until their backs are completely against the wall and only then do they put out.

it also speaks against injuries being the primary problem because injuries tend to accumulate as you go through the season.

Shally, as a resident medical guru, do you think that Portis' chronic tendenitis would make him less effective by December if he did a normal level of offseason/preseason activity?

Is there an inescapable trade-off?

[openallnight]

I attribute this year to the loss of the right side of the oline and the time it has taken the replacements to gel playing together.

The line seems to be playing much better now with Heyer than it was w/ Wade.

[Battle Cat]

what is says to me is that gibbs has never been able to convey a sense of urgency to his teams, or really motivate them in first half of the season.

it seems they tune him out until their backs are completely against the wall and only then do they put out.

it also speaks against injuries being the primary problem because injuries tend to accumulate as you go through the season.
I take it another way. It tells me that no leader on offense (players) is bold enough to grab up players by their collars and slap them around a little to get them to sense the urgency in the early games. You think Peyton Manning would allow half hearted efforts from his teammates no, he would chew them out possibly on the field during a game and that player would find himself benched. You think Ray Lewis is going to let his teammates cruise through the first month no I don't think so. Campbell is to young I think and Cooley and Moss are to affable. Portis is a leader but doesn't seem like a grab a guy by the collar type leader and tell him to shape up or the type to go to Gibbs and tell him to get that player out of the game until he gets his act together. I think that is partly what we are missing on offense especially but defense as well. London FLetcher could fill that role.