Dallas Week: Portis v MBIII?

[Reg]

Who is better? And Why?

LINK (http://www.cowboyspride.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18169)

[redskinz#1fan]

First I have to register on a Cowgirls site...which will never happen...again. I still have to get shots, because of the last time I decided to register for a cowboys site!


Plus might I mention, if the intelligent discussions look like post # 2, then I think I will have to pass. I have some paint I need to watch dry! :D

[redwolf1218]

i went over there and put in my 2 cents worth.

Portis is ranked 8th in the NFL and Barber is 16th.

they both have 43 receptions.

Portis is 26 and Barber is 24.

Portis is a better blocker in pass protection, and he has become a leader on this team.

bottom line: i would not trade Portis for Barber straight up.

[PyroGenic]

i went over there and put in my 2 cents worth.

Portis is ranked 8th in the NFL and Barber is 16th.

they both have 43 receptions.

Portis is 26 and Barber is 24.

Portis is a better blocker in pass protection, and he has become a leader on this team.

bottom line: i would not trade Portis for Barber straight up.

I wrote something too.... now I feel dirty...

[skinsfan36]

portis is better,hes the best blocking rb in the nfl

[RedskinsDave]

One poster compares Barber to Earl Campbell and now another to Walter Payton. I guess any logical debate after that cannot be expected.

[give_portis_the_rock]

i went over there and put in my 2 cents worth.

Portis is ranked 8th in the NFL and Barber is 16th.

they both have 43 receptions.

Portis is 26 and Barber is 24.

Portis is a better blocker in pass protection, and he has become a leader on this team.

bottom line: i would not trade Portis for Barber straight up.

Yeah and CP's 43 receptions have gone for far more yards.
Barber is not very talented at all. He just runs hard. And he's a pure runner -- bad blocker, bad receiver, and I bet he can't throw a ball like CP. :D

[Syllable]

Hmm, see what happens when a whole bunch of cowgirls go into the pro-bowl? Lunacy

[SkinsfaninNJ]

One poster compares Barber to Earl Campbell and now another to Walter Payton. I guess any logical debate after that cannot be expected.

I agree. You're not giving Barber his due unless you add in the shiftiness of Barry Sanders with the power of Campbell and the determination of Payton. I'm just glad I get to see him play, even if its only a few times a season.

[RedSkinBrit]

Portis is the all round better RB when you take into consideration his receiving and blocking skills on top of his running.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i posed the question to cowboys fans on the board that if MB3 is so good, why is he not starting over julius jones who sucks IMO.

[JsMaViSd]

i posed the question to cowboys fans on the board that if MB3 is so good, why is he not starting over julius jones who sucks IMO.

there not signing Jones to an extension tho...that has something to say

[VaCowboy]

theres no real rhyme or reason on why jones starts other than, our system isnt broke, so they dont fix it.

Portis pass blocks better
Barber runs harder

Portis seems to be your teams emotional leader
Barber is our sparkplug

Barber has always been in a two back system, if you take him out of it, i doubt he would be as successful.

Overall, Portis is the more talented back. But Ill keep Barber in Dallas :D

[give_portis_the_rock]

there not signing Jones to an extension tho...that has something to say

Put Portis in the Boys' offence and he runs for 2000 yards and 18 TDs.
Barber is nothing special, just a hard worker. That's not a bad thing, but nothing beats God-given talent.

[TrueOracle]

i posed the question to cowboys fans on the board that if MB3 is so good, why is he not starting over julius jones who sucks IMO.

And this is the point boys and girls: First, you have to be a starter to be compared to a starter. Here's a few suggestions: Rather than being the guy coming off the bench once the defense is worn, be the one wearing them out. Play a full season as a starter. Be the man opposing teams game plan around not just one of the guys. Play with a few injuries first and see where the stats settle. Everyone says "he"can be a starter on any other team until he actually is the starter.

"Him" being voted into the pro bowl speaks to the clown-like conditions for entry. What a circus.

[VaCowboy]

Put Portis in the Boys' offence and he runs for 2000 yards and 18 TDs.
Barber is nothing special, just a hard worker. That's not a bad thing, but nothing beats God-given talent.

i pretty much agree.

[skinsfan36]

barber has had a healthy oline and stats are not even up to par with portis so there ya go

[greatest2]

hahahahahaha, somebody actually think there is a debate about this, hahahaha

portis, period.

[Skinz4lyfe]

Barber is indeed a bruiser but he simply isn't better than Portis. Portis is the all-around better back, period! Move along people there's nothing here to see.

[FunBunch5]

Marion Barber has to first break 1000 yards before he can even be mentioned in the same breath as Portis...Comparing MB to CP is like comparing a Cavelier to a Corvette. Sure they are both cars, but the comparison ends after that.

[redskin_rich]

This is why I have no interest in debating anything with Dallas fans.

For the record, here are the career numbers as of now:

Clinton Portis- 1685 rushes, 7611 yds, 4.5 avg, 61 TD's.
201 rec, 1661 yds, 8.3 avg, 4 TD's.

Marion Barber- 471 rushes, 2173 yds, 4.6 avg, 29 TD's.
84 rec, 586 yds, 7.0 avg, 4 TD's.

Portis has played for 6 years, Barber for 3.

This is just stats.

There are intangibles that weigh the scales much more to Portis.

And how about asking one simple question. If Barber is so good, why does he share carries with Julius Jones and why has he backed him up for 3 years?

Could it be that Marion can't handle the full load?

[Biggie]

I'd look up the stats, but everyone else already has. The bottom line is Portis, hands down.

[frankez99]

MB3 is awfully impressive, ala Betts......but CP is THE MAN.

What else needs to be said?

And I'm not disparaging the Dallas RB's....but.....

[LuvSkins17]

Portis is better, but i will NEVER register on a Cowboys forum. It hurt my eyes just to see the colors for the duration of me reading their board. This is the only football site that I am registered on....

call me weak but I just can't stand the cowboys. their fans are waaaaaaaay too big headed and their only reality is such fantasy to me. We have been out playing them for since Gibbs has been here and we even swept them but they seem to still talk about us like Norv is still here....

Man I hate them.... They may as well be Brustle Sprouts to me!

[bigcmr]

Barber lol the poor mans Ricky Williams? Compared to Portis? who is the dumb ass who brought up this comparison. Barber couldn't even get to the 1000 yard mark. doesn't even start and he made the pro bowl? What a joke. Once again we see another over rated Cowgirl get more credit than he deserves. Over the last 4 years every Dallas fan has been trying to dream that one of there RBs are better than Portis. Jones or Barber. Well I got news for them numbers dont lie. We all know Portis is better.

[Biggie]

Clinton Portis - 25 carries, 104 yards, 2 touchdowns, 4 catches, 27 yards, one fumble.

Marion Barber - 6 carries, -6 yards, 0 touchdowns, 1 catch, 7 yards.

I think this topic can be locked now.

[greatest2]

are there any more questions after this game. thats what i thought

[skinsfan36]

are there any more questions after this game. thats what i thought

agreed

[HAWGZHEAD]

We made Marion the Barbarian look more like Marion the Librarian.

[give_portis_the_rock]

We made Marion the Barbarian look more like Marion the Librarian.

LoL
CP is the man, I wouldn't take any tailback in the league over him (not even LT)

[shally]

LoL
CP is the man, I wouldn't take any tailback in the league over him (not even LT)

barber is a fine back.. he had literally nowhere to run today.. that is the kind of thing that portis has had to put up with a lot.

the only edge i would give barber is that i dont know if i have ever seen him fumble.. other than that, both in 2005 and this year, portis carried the team during the stretch run to the playoffs. barber has never carried the cowboys, but i suspect after this year, he will get his chance. Jones is a free agent and although dallas says they would like to retain him, my bet is that he is gone

we will see what happens when barber has to carry the team through 17 weeks

[give_portis_the_rock]

barber is a fine back.. he had literally nowhere to run today.. that is the kind of thing that portis has had to put up with a lot.

the only edge i would give barber is that i dont know if i have ever seen him fumble.. other than that, both in 2005 and this year, portis carried the team during the stretch run to the playoffs. barber has never carried the cowboys, but i suspect after this year, he will get his chance. Jones is a free agent and although dallas says they would like to retain him, my bet is that he is gone

we will see what happens when barber has to carry the team through 17 weeks

Yeah I won't blame him for today's performance, our front seven was prepared and Dallas' OL got railroaded. But for the most part he's had much more running room this season than Clinton.

And I might be wrong but I think Sean forced a fumble on Marion in 05 or 06. Might've been Julius.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Yeah I won't blame him for today's performance, our front seven was prepared and Dallas' OL got railroaded. But for the most part he's had much more running room this season than Clinton.

And I might be wrong but I think Sean forced a fumble on Marion in 05 or 06. Might've been Julius.
2004 and 2006 in Dallas, against Julius, if memory serves correctly

[redwolf1218]

they finished the regular season with Portis ranked 6th in the nfl and Barber 18th.

Portis led the league in rushing attempts and he was 4th in TD's with 12.

in the NFC, Portis is 3rd and Barber 7th. Barber didnt even reach 1000 yards. not sure how he made the probowl. must have been the hair, that's all i can figure.

the guy who scares me the most heading into the playoffs is Brandon Jacobs. Smoot bounced off him and went flying backwards about 5 yards.

[RedskinsDave]

You know what nauseates me about that site is half the fans also have Yankees in their avatar. Typical Cowgirls fans and also the ones I don't claim any association with regarding the Yankees. I'm shocked they haven't switched to the Sox yet.

[morty55]

I agree. You're not giving Barber his due unless you add in the shiftiness of Barry Sanders with the power of Campbell and the determination of Payton. I'm just glad I get to see him play, even if its only a few times a season.

don't forget the guile of Don Gifford the self assuredness of Paul Hornung..the brutality of Jim Brown..and the grace of Gayle Sayres ..

thank God Barber's legend doesn't yet preceed itself..like the one Romo carries on his back..Brady and Tony couldn't stand the lost exposure..there isn't enough room on the ESPN ticker

[morty55]

they finished the regular season with Portis ranked 6th in the nfl and Barber 18th.

Portis led the league in rushing attempts and he was 4th in TD's with 12.

in the NFC, Portis is 3rd and Barber 7th. Barber didnt even reach 1000 yards. not sure how he made the probowl. must have been the hair, that's all i can figure.

the guy who scares me the most heading into the playoffs is Brandon Jacobs. Smoot bounced off him and went flying backwards about 5 yards.

playing Jacobs again would suit me just fine...that would be in the Meadowlands for the NFC Championship

:sun:Sean is looking down today smiling

[shally]

they finished the regular season with Portis ranked 6th in the nfl and Barber 18th.

Portis led the league in rushing attempts and he was 4th in TD's with 12.

in the NFC, Portis is 3rd and Barber 7th. Barber didnt even reach 1000 yards. not sure how he made the probowl. must have been the hair, that's all i can figure.

the guy who scares me the most heading into the playoffs is Brandon Jacobs. Smoot bounced off him and went flying backwards about 5 yards.

you need to get to him in the hole or before he is in the secondary.. he has poor hands for the swing pass and will fumble.. he is NO tiki

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Well, check the stats, it has to be the Barbarian ;)

[guess88]

you need to get to him in the hole or before he is in the secondary.. he has poor hands for the swing pass and will fumble.. he is NO tiki

very true... he's a giant mismatch in the secondary, and God forbid he ever develop soft hands. He's no Tiki at all, but he'll beat you by wearing you down, and running you over (imagine if Sellers was our primary back). However, until Eli stops making bad decisions under pressure, I doubt we see them in the playoffs.

[give_portis_the_rock]

you need to get to him in the hole or before he is in the secondary.. he has poor hands for the swing pass and will fumble.. he is NO tiki

Well Tiki had that problem early on, there's no telling if Jacobs' hands will soften up. I hope not...

[guess88]

Well Tiki had that problem early on, there's no telling if Jacobs' hands will soften up. I hope not...

The thing about Tiki was that he was so shifty and elusive. He was small enough to hide behind his blocks, and he'd just dart out, slip a few tackles, and speed past a few guys. Tiki was like the boxer with fast punches that you didn't see coming. Jacobs is just a bruiser with speed. More predictable, but very dangerous if you don't keep your guard up.