Dumbest rule ever

[RedskinsDave]

There are many, many rules in the NFL that make no sense and favor the team who screws up. Not allowing a team to advance the kickoff, which is a live ball by the way, is idiotic. If I recall correctly, they made this addendum not so long ago and under the radar. There isn't any good reason for it.

That said, it did not cost us the game.

[ncthompson11]

yes it doesnt make much sense to me either. We still should of put it in the endzone with that momentum. Anyone actually know why this rule is in place? Its not like you see it a whole lot and would have to put a rule in, and onside kicks have to go 10 yards anyways.

[Farmer Ted]

Anyone actually know why this rule is in place?

Cuz it's the No-Fun-League. That's the only possible rationale. Either that, or the Cowboys once lost a game that way, and the league realized they had to make a rule to keep it from happening again.

[SkinsKY]

I didn't realize the rule had changed and it makes no sense. Maybe next they can prevent defenses from running back interceptions and fumbles and completed passes cannot be advanced by the WR.

[SkinsKY]

That said, it did not cost us the game.

That is true, but it could have helped us win it despite being dominated most of the game.

[wewantdallas]

It's just another example of why watching a Redskin game is so emotionally stressful.

WIth just about every big play now, I don't even celebrate until a good thirty seconds after the whistle blows, just waiting for a flag or some call for a review or whatever.

Like the early Alexander fumble. A guy I knew was celebrating it, I was like, "Wait, let's see if he was down first." Of course he was.

Rock gets a huge kickoff return, and instead of jumping up and down, I'm waiting for the flag that inevitably comes. Nice, long block in the back, Sellers.

That fumble recovery on the kickoff - even then I was waiting for a flag to come. When there wasn't one, I started jumping up and down, then...."can't advance the ball."

It's always something when we're on the field.

And yes, that rule is complete ass.

[RedskinsDave]

That is true, but it could have helped us win it despite being dominated most of the game.

I blame the refs. ;)

[CarMike]

I blame the refs. ;)

Anyone else catch the holding call on the seahags first TD run? Torrence was held by Engram. Torrence jersey was pulled down over his shoulder pads.

I counted two block in the back on the first INT return. Just sayin. :)

[RedskinsDave]

Anyone else catch the holding call on the seahags first TD run? Torrence was held by Engram. Torrence jersey was pulled down over his shoulder pads.

I counted two block in the back on the first INT return. Just sayin. :)

There was also the spot in the 4th down. Their bad calls are all negated by us catching a break on Collins fumble that was called a incomplete pass.

[CarMike]

There was also the spot in the 4th down. Their bad calls are all negated by us catching a break on Collins fumble that was called a incomplete pass.

Good call. How many penalties did the Seahags get called for? I remember one.

[nicefellow31]

There are many, many rules in the NFL that make no sense and favor the team who screws up. Not allowing a team to advance the kickoff, which is a live ball by the way, is idiotic. If I recall correctly, they made this addendum not so long ago and under the radar. There isn't any good reason for it.

That said, it did not cost us the game.

Gang, before you go and jump all on the NFL, the rule about not being able to advance a muff is in place at all levels of football. A team has to have the opportunity to possess a ball before you can advance/return it. That rule has been in place since the beginning of football. Sorry for us, but that is one of the rules of football, not the NFL.

[CarMike]

Gang, before you go and jump all on the NFL, the rule about not being able to advance a muff is in place at all levels of football. A team has to have the opportunity to possess a ball before you can advance/return it. That rule has been in place since the beginning of football. Sorry for us, but that is one of the rules of football, not the NFL.

I have to disagree unless you can find the rule and post it.

I remember not to long ago where a team recovered an on-side-kick and returned it for a TD. The ball bounced just right and a player picked it up in a full sprint and ran it for a TD. Can't remember how long ago or the player.

[nicefellow31]

I have to disagree unless you can find the rule and post it.

I remember not to long ago where a team recovered an on-side-kick and returned it for a TD. The ball bounced just right and a player picked it up in a full sprint and ran it for a TD. Can't remember how long ago or the player.

Well I have posted on her numerous times that I officiate high school games so I am very familiar with the rules of football. According to the rules, any receiver may catch or recover a free kick in the field of play and advance, unless any member of the receiving team has given a valid or invalid fair-catch signal. If any K player recovers or catches a free kick, the ball becomes dead. It belongs to him unless it is kick-catching interference and R chooses an awarded fair catch or unless it is first touching. In the situation you are talking about, the receiver is allowed to recover the onside kick and advance, which resulted in a TD. If the kickers recover, ball is dead. That is one of the fundamentals of football and has been in place at all levels for years. Sucks for us, but that is the rule.

[shally]

There are many, many rules in the NFL that make no sense and favor the team who screws up. Not allowing a team to advance the kickoff, which is a live ball by the way, is idiotic. If I recall correctly, they made this addendum not so long ago and under the radar. There isn't any good reason for it.

That said, it did not cost us the game.

it is like the "tuck" rule.. one of those acane rules that is never well known until it becomes a focal point of an extreme play

i think the skins have no one to blame but themselves. they were inside the seattle 15 with all the momentum going their way and still ended up with zero points

besides, the skins were given an even greater gift to make up for that call.. the call where the refs changed collins fumble from a fumble (which gibbs would have had to challenge and likely lost) to an incomplete pass (which holmgren could NOT challenge) was an even larger play that went the skins way

marcus was a heartbeat late on the strip, and the refs got that one correct on challenge. so, all in all, the skins need only look in the mirror to find the problems.. and the spot on sellers carry was short of where it should be.. but there was NO camera angle that would allow correct placement in reference to the yard markers.. it would have been a total guess on the part of the refs to try and adjust the spot-- just as it was in the first place. yes, we deserved more, but just how much more would have been impossible to determine and there was about a yard between the spot and the line for a first down so it would have been moot had they advanced it halfway and we still were short.. the real point is that when you cannot rush for a yard when you need it, and it happens more than once, you look to your o line for the reason rather than to the refs..

[CarMike]

Well I have posted on her numerous times that I officiate high school games so I am very familiar with the rules of football. According to the rules, any receiver may catch or recover a free kick in the field of play and advance, unless any member of the receiving team has given a valid or invalid fair-catch signal. If any K player recovers or catches a free kick, the ball becomes dead. It belongs to him unless it is kick-catching interference and R chooses an awarded fair catch or unless it is first touching. In the situation you are talking about, the receiver is allowed to recover the onside kick and advance, which resulted in a TD. If the kickers recover, ball is dead. That is one of the fundamentals of football and has been in place at all levels for years. Sucks for us, but that is the rule.

I'm so stupid. I'm sorry nicefellow31. I just took the trash to the dump and on my way back I realized how big of a idiot I am. What I was remembering was that the receiving team recovered the onside kick and returned it for a TD. Not the kicking team.

My bad. Had a "Mike" moment. :)

[Farmer Ted]

Gang, before you go and jump all on the NFL, the rule about not being able to advance a muff is in place at all levels of football. A team has to have the opportunity to possess a ball before you can advance/return it. That rule has been in place since the beginning of football. Sorry for us, but that is one of the rules of football, not the NFL.

Meh, I don't care if it's a rule in pee-wee football; this is the N.F.L. It's a kickoff, and not a punt, so I don't understand why the "muff" rule is at all relevant (btw, that's a dumb rule, too).

Here's what I really hate about the rule: if the kicking team can't advance the ball, then the refs should have to blow the whistle the moment the kicking team takes possession of the ball. It's absurd that Mix was in jeopardy until he entered the end-zone last night. Are you telling me that if Mix had been hit after he grabbed the ball and then fumbled it, the hawks could have recovered it? How in the world is that fair? It's idiotic, plain and simple. I understand it's the rule, but it's stupid. At least be consistent, and blow the play dead as soon as the ball is recovered.

[nicefellow31]

Meh, I don't care if it's a rule in pee-wee football; this is the N.F.L. It's a kickoff, and not a punt, so I don't understand why the "muff" rule is at all relevant (btw, that's a dumb rule, too).

Here's what I really hate about the rule: if the kicking team can't advance the ball, then the refs should have to blow the whistle the moment the kicking team takes possession of the ball. It's absurd that Mix was in jeopardy until he entered the end-zone last night. Are you telling me that if Mix had been hit after he grabbed the ball and then fumbled it, the hawks could have recovered it? How in the world is that fair? It's idiotic, plain and simple. I understand it's the rule, but it's stupid. At least be consistent, and blow the play dead as soon as the ball is recovered.

Well I don't want to bore you with too much technical information but, here I go. First of all, a "kickoff" is nothing more than a free kick. What is a free kick? A free kick is any legal kick which puts the ball in play to start a free kick down. A kickoff is a free kick which puts the ball in play at the beginning of each half of the game, after a a successful field goal and after any try. A place kick or a drop kick shall be used for the kickoff. A kick ends when a player gains possession. A muff can take place on any down (that is during a punt or a kickoff). A muff is the touching of a loose ball by a player in an unsuccessful attempt to secure possession. Now according to the fundamentals of football (which NFL rules are based on) if any K player (the kicking team) recovers or catches a free kick, the ball becomes dead. Why is this a fundamental? I guess for the same reason the field is 100 yards long, a touchdown is worth 6 points, and a field goal 3. I'm guessing without this fundamental, all kickoffs would be kicked high and the kickers would try to gain possession. To combat that, receiving teams would "fair catch" every kickoff. Thus no kick returns. Now, as far as blowing the whistle, sometimes it takes a few seconds for you to think to yourself, "he can't do that." Heck the players didn't know either, that is why Mix was running. Just my .02.

[give_portis_the_rock]

There are many, many rules in the NFL that make no sense and favor the team who screws up. Not allowing a team to advance the kickoff, which is a live ball by the way, is idiotic. If I recall correctly, they made this addendum not so long ago and under the radar. There isn't any good reason for it.

That said, it did not cost us the game.

I think it did. Imagine the momentum of scoring 3 touchdowns in a span of about 3 minutes. No way Seattle comes back from that.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Well I don't want to bore you with too much technical information but, here I go. First of all, a "kickoff" is nothing more than a free kick. What is a free kick? A free kick is any legal kick which puts the ball in play to start a free kick down. A kickoff is a free kick which puts the ball in play at the beginning of each half of the game, after a a successful field goal and after any try. A place kick or a drop kick shall be used for the kickoff. A kick ends when a player gains possession. A muff can take place on any down (that is during a punt or a kickoff). A muff is the touching of a loose ball by a player in an unsuccessful attempt to secure possession. Now according to the fundamentals of football (which NFL rules are based on) if any K player (the kicking team) recovers or catches a free kick, the ball becomes dead. Why is this a fundamental? I guess for the same reason the field is 100 yards long, a touchdown is worth 6 points, and a field goal 3. I'm guessing without this fundamental, all kickoffs would be kicked high and the kickers would try to gain possession. To combat that, receiving teams would "fair catch" every kickoff. Thus no kick returns. Now, as far as blowing the whistle, sometimes it takes a few seconds for you to think to yourself, "he can't do that." Heck the players didn't know either, that is why Mix was running. Just my .02.

I don't think it can be explained any better than this. This isn't rugby. And the rule is obviously based on, like nicefellow said, the fundamentals of football, which aren't dumb or intelligent, they just are what they are.
I really don't see what the problem is.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Meh, I don't care if it's a rule in pee-wee football; this is the N.F.L. It's a kickoff, and not a punt, so I don't understand why the "muff" rule is at all relevant (btw, that's a dumb rule, too).

Here's what I really hate about the rule: if the kicking team can't advance the ball, then the refs should have to blow the whistle the moment the kicking team takes possession of the ball. It's absurd that Mix was in jeopardy until he entered the end-zone last night. Are you telling me that if Mix had been hit after he grabbed the ball and then fumbled it, the hawks could have recovered it? How in the world is that fair? It's idiotic, plain and simple. I understand it's the rule, but it's stupid. At least be consistent, and blow the play dead as soon as the ball is recovered.
If he had possession, no. the play is dead once the kicking team has secured possession of the ball. At least, that's how I understand it. And in order to fumble a ball, you had to previously have had possession.

[Carmelo]

There was also the spot in the 4th down. Their bad calls are all negated by us catching a break on Collins fumble that was called a incomplete pass.
During all the replays, I was absolutely sure that was a fumble.