Gibbs to Resign [Appreciation - merged]

[rusty73]

The AP just announced Gibbs is retiring.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Wow. I'm speechless.

[hail2skins]

Here is a link from ESPN

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3186165

[Skins57]

ESPN just reported it also, 3 oclock press conference. I am shocked

[Skins57]

WOW. Who is next to coach this team

[chrisbcbu]

man. I wanted him for one more season. I wonder who they will get to replace him. promote within? or possibly try to lure Cowher out of retirement? I know he said he wanted to sit one more year but perhaps he was waiting for the right job.

[bfauble83]

Damn! I thought for sure he'd ATLEAST fulfill his contract. This sucks...

[helimech24]

WOW. Who is next to coach this teamI think I would rather have GW as head coach with Al being to OC. Or the Steelers old coach.

[Keino]

This needed to happen.

Gibbs, thanks for coming back. Thanks for putting your legacy on the line. Thanks for the countless hours. You gave us hope, which is something none of us had after the Spurrier debauchery. It just wasn't in the cards for your second run, but I appreciate you.

[RedskinsDave]

There has to be a plan in place. I can't see him leaving without a replacement in place.

[Moe]

Pretty surprised. Guess it'll be yet another interesting off season.

[rusty73]

After hearing him with George Michaels last night I would have not thought this was in the offing.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

This needed to happen.

Gibbs, thanks for coming back. Thanks for putting your legacy on the line. Thanks for the countless hours. You gave us hope, which is something none of us had after the Spurrier debauchery. It just wasn't in the cards for your second run, but I appreciate you.

I agree with this post completely. I could not have said it better myself.

[Redskinmayhem]

This needed to happen.

Gibbs, thanks for coming back. Thanks for putting your legacy on the line. Thanks for the countless hours. You gave us hope, which is something none of us had after the Spurrier debauchery. It just wasn't in the cards for your second run, but I appreciate you.

well said Keino and I agree. I would've liked to see him back for one more year but I think this might be best for the team in the long run.

[wewantdallas]

Wow, that really stinks. I didn't want him to go out like that. I was hoping he had another year in him.

I swear, even now that the season is over, there is STILL bad news coming in.

At least that last run helped restore a lot of faith in the guy as a coach around the league.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

There has to be a plan in place. I can't see him leaving without a replacement in place.

My fear is that the replacement is already in place, and has 3 Gs in his name.

[Redskinmayhem]

There has to be a plan in place. I can't see him leaving without a replacement in place.

Oh I think Gibbs and Snyder have a plan in place. He wouldn't leave the skins like this. What I don't understand is why he's leaving the "team pres." position open as well.

[skinsfan45]

i'm surprized to say the least - not happy about it but its apparently whats best for him... so i can only say thank u and wish him well

[greatest2]

no no no, and for some crazy reason, THE SEASON FROM HELL CONTINUES

:cry:

[Patrick]

Well I hope that everyone is satisfied with 2 playoff seasons in four years ........... It's going to be a LONG time before we see playoffs again!.

[IH Brave]

I find out strange that the minute it was reported that teams were interested in GW, that Gibbs retires. I'm not big on GW succeeding as coach. I'm not convinced he's ready.

[Spence]

This needed to happen.

Gibbs, thanks for coming back. Thanks for putting your legacy on the line. Thanks for the countless hours. You gave us hope, which is something none of us had after the Spurrier debauchery. It just wasn't in the cards for your second run, but I appreciate you.
Ditto

[PennSkinsFan]

Shcoker a bit, I thought he would finished one year.

Gregg Williams is my bet

[Spence]

Gregg Williams will be the next head coach, I'd think. If he isn't ready now, he never will be.

[Skins57]

Well I hope that everyone is satisfied with 2 playoff seasons in four years ........... It's going to be a LONG time before we see playoffs again!.

Not sure if I agree with that. Joe has laid a great foundation here and if Synder can lure Cohwer in here, I say we just keep moving forward.

Mort just said GW does not have a clause giving him a bonus if not made head coach

[Redskinmayhem]

Well I hope that everyone is satisfied with 2 playoff seasons in four years ........... It's going to be a LONG time before we see playoffs again!.

I won't exactly say I'm satisfied but it's not too bad of a result. Of course we all expected more given that it was Gibbs coming back and the talent on this team but had this been another coach, we may be singing his praises right now. What troubles me though is that there isn't much difference between the playoff years and losing seasons in Gibbs' tenure. They're separated by the same types of games; close, grueling games where we either snatch victory from the jaws of defeat or vice versa. We never really dominated or showed marked improvements in any area except maybe defense.

[PennSkinsFan]

QWith the 'reported promises' made to Gregg Williams, and IF t5hos epromises were made, I would be upset if Snyuder did not give it to GW. NOW, IF those promises were NOT made, then all bets are off.

There is a big ground swell here for Cowher, but my bet is, in two to three years, we will all be saying, Cowher just didn't fit here, because he doesn't.

[whistleandthumb]

www.redskins.com

[Patrick]

Not sure if I agree with that. Joe has laid a great foundation here and if Synder can lure Cohwer in here, I say we just keep moving forward.

Mort just said GW does not have a clause giving him a bonus if not made head coach

Don't see (and never did) this happening.
I'm guessing that Danny want to keep as much of this together - Hiring anyone other than Williams or Saunders would mean a house cleaning.

[Redskinmayhem]

Not sure if I agree with that. Joe has laid a great foundation here and if Synder can lure Cohwer in here, I say we just keep moving forward.

Mort just said GW does not have a clause giving him a bonus if not made head coach

Cowher sounds like a great idea but I don't think he's hungry anymore. he's won it with the steelers. what would be his motivation to win a SB here?

[hail2skins]

There has to be a plan in place. I can't see him leaving without a replacement in place.I'm guessing GW takes over as HC, Blache becomes DC and Saunders stays as OC. That's my guess.

I don't think Cowher is in the picture

[helimech24]

I won't exactly say I'm satisfied but it's not too bad of a result. Of course we all expected more given that it was Gibbs coming back and the talent on this team but had this been another coach, we may be singing his praises right now. What troubles me though is that there isn't much difference between the playoff years and losing seasons in Gibbs' tenure. They're separated by the same types of games; close, grueling games where we either snatch victory from the jaws of defeat or vice versa. We never really dominated or showed marked improvements in any area except maybe defense.Totally agree with you. I have grown very tired of never outright winning a game against anyone. We always barely scrapped by or barely lost instead of taking a commanding lead and holding onto it.

[morty55]

My fear is that the replacement is already in place, and has 3 Gs in his name.

Joe has made everything okay..
Unlike the first retirement he has left them this time with questions answered and no sense of abandonment
that made the Pettibone days what they were
he gave us..after Norv and Spurrier..a taste of what a winner and contender is..some redemption
this is not bailing..it is Joe finding his inner peace is in another phase of his life..with family, his ministry, and his cars
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[RedskinRyan]

We've all heard the rumors for so long. But this is so shocking to me still. Not the best news to wake up to, although in light of Sean Taylor, certainly not the worst either.

[morty55]

I'm guessing GW takes over as HC, Blache becomes DC and Saunders stays as OC. That's my guess.

I don't think Cowher is in the picture

I can't help but saying something crazy here...with the Skins playing 9 of the 13 worst pass defenses in the final 2007 stats next year..maybe the time has come for Joe to move on and a mad-bomber approach with a Martz-mentality to Offense ..I think Al and Mike are former colleagues

[CNYSkinFan]

And let the dismantling of this team begin....

Seriously...no coach is going to get anything more out of this groupm of players then Gibbs.

If GW takes over I foreseee a 1-15 Pettibone type of season next year

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Joe has made everything okay..and left them this time with questions answered a taste of what a winner and contender is..this is not bailing..it is Joe finding his inner peace is in another phase of his life..
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Uhm...what?

[RicFlairOne]

Williams will be the coach.

Does this mean Vinny is in charge of personnel. Surely he has to go !!!!

[WarEagle]

I'm really startled by this news. Listening to DC sports talk 980 now.

[JsMaViSd]

jesus, the skins just keep upsetting me

i cried when they lost to seattle, and now im gonna cry again

please PLEASE dont get Brian Billick

[Redskinmayhem]

And let the dismantling of this team begin....

Seriously...no coach is going to get anything more out of this groupm of players then Gibbs.

If GW takes over I foreseee a 1-15 Pettibone type of season next year

I hope not but that's my fear too. Who could get *MORE* out of these guys than Gibbs?

[GolfFreak]

Wow, I'm shocked. I thought everything was shaping up for at least one more season. Heck we hearing about an extension just a few weeks ago. Wonder what changed ...

[joethefan]

This needed to happen.

Gibbs, thanks for coming back. Thanks for putting your legacy on the line. Thanks for the countless hours. You gave us hope, which is something none of us had after the Spurrier debauchery. It just wasn't in the cards for your second run, but I appreciate you.


I concur.....
espn announced that GW DOES not have that clause in his contract.rooney rule

[CNYSkinFan]

The only interesting thing is leaving as team President too.

This probably means the end of the line for Buges as well...maybe Breaux too.

I know some like this but I can't get over the giant feeling of Doom I have inside of me.

[greatest2]

unbelievable. he came to set the franchise straight, and he did restore some credibility, but i thought he would finish the job next year with a great record.

Sadly, i think the ST tragedy played a big part in him. I believe everybody took a step back and reevaluated everything, and you gotta believe that with gibbs age, and doing almost fully what he set out to do, he was going to take a longer look then others. I can see why he left and what made him think about it.

This also explains the JC conundrum, gibbs didn't say campbell was the starter cause he wasn't coming back, and of course he can't speak for the next guy.

[morty55]

Uhm...what?

Ummm...time to retire
time to get away from the opinions and second guessing of people who would be ashamed to allow somebody a peek into their careers or lives

he gets paid the big bucks to deal with that stuff..but the Sean and the two Time outs almost killed him..I would never be able to deal with what he has to put up with..I doubt very few could

sorry Jason hasn't weighed in yet to bind the monolith with the bottom line

[Redskinmayhem]

The only interesting thing is leaving as team President too.

This probably means the end of the line for Buges as well...maybe Breaux too.

I know some like this but I can't get over the giant feeling of Doom I have inside of me.

I'm right there with you. If Gibbs is out and GW/AS aren't the replacements, then it's going to be a complete overhaul of the entire organization.

[PennSkinsFan]

I'm guessing GW takes over as HC, Blache becomes DC and Saunders stays as OC. That's my guess.

I don't think Cowher is in the picture

and my bet is Russ Grimm will be in DC with some type of role.

[greatest2]

The only interesting thing is leaving as team President too.

This probably means the end of the line for Buges as well...maybe Breaux too.

I know some like this but I can't get over the giant feeling of Doom I have inside of me.

doom for the franchise, sadness for our man who walked on water to leave like this, and again seeing a great person leave the redskin organization.

this season from hell just wont stop. somebody make it stop, please!!!

[SkinsKY]

Wow, I'm shocked. I thought everything was shaping up for at least one more season. Heck we hearing about an extension just a few weeks ago. Wonder what changed ...

I knew something was up when he didn't sign the extension. It was offered, but Joe left it sitting on the table.

The only interesting thing is leaving as team President too.

This probably means the end of the line for Buges as well...maybe Breaux too.

I know some like this but I can't get over the giant feeling of Doom I have inside of me.

There will be a complete turnover if the new Head coach is not Saunders or GW. As it is, I'm almost certain Buges and Breaux are gone. I hope it's not Williams as HC. I guess we'll see.

[AustinSkins]

Gibbs is 67 and the stress of coaching may be too much, especially after this past season.

For the sake of continuity, I would like to see GW as head coach with Saunders in full control of the offense.

I think players will be less like likely to seek trades or "jump ship" if predictable routines (and playbooks) are left in place.

I also think that Saunders needs to tap JC as the starting QB and put this Collins bs to rest. I would live to see Collins as a backupdump Brunell and groom a rookie in the 3rd spot.

[Patrick]

And let the dismantling of this team begin....

Seriously...no coach is going to get anything more out of this groupm of players then Gibbs.

If GW takes over I foreseee a 1-15 Pettibone type of season next year

I don't know about the "1-15" but do agree that this COULD change this team a lot. On the flip side - the first report out of Redskins Park is that "Gibbs will remain part of the Redskins family and serve as a special advisor to owner Daniel M. Snyder. " Still think Danny will pay attention to what Gibbs has to say if this is true.

[Carmelo]

I know this will make a lot of people happy but this breaks my heart. I was truly hoping for Gibbs to finish out his time here at least. I really wanted Gibbs back.

[CNYSkinFan]

I'm right there with you. If Gibbs is out and GW/AS aren't the replacements, then it's going to be a complete overhaul of the entire organization.
even if GW and AS are the replacements, Buges is probably gone...he came back for Gibbs. Same with breaux...

I am actually hoping for a dramatic shakeup and purging ala 2001.

[greatest2]

just across the ESPN ticker, gibbs will remain as advisor to Snyder.

still sad, but maybe we get a GM?

[Redskinmayhem]

and my bet is Russ Grimm will be in DC with some type of role.
Grimm won't take anything less than HC at this point and if Grimm is HC, GW is gone for sure. he won't stand for being leapfrogged like that. I'm not in GW's camp(yet) I'm just stating the obvious.

[cal_junior]

I don't think Cowher is in the picture

Damnit. I hope you're wrong.

[Carmelo]

I knew something was up when he didn't sign the extension. It was offered, but Joe left it sitting on the table.



There will be a complete turnover if the new Head coach is not Saunders or GW. As it is, I'm almost certain Buges and Breaux are gone. I hope it's not Williams as HC. I guess we'll see.
I really, really, really, really hope that it is NOT GW!

[akhhorus]

Since Gibbs resigned as pres, I'm betting its going to be cowher.

[chrisbcbu]

I concur.....
espn announced that GW DOES not have that clause in his contract.rooney rule

rooney rule does not apply if you hire within the organization.

[CNYSkinFan]

I know this will make a lot of people happy but this breaks my heart. I was truly hoping for Gibbs to finish out his time here at least. I really wanted Gibbs back.
Amen Carmelo....amen

[PennSkinsFan]

Gotta admit, this board is absolutely funny. Just three weeks ago, Joe Gibbs leaving was the front runner in a poll.

Remember this thread (http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=44031&highlight=gibbs)


and this one (http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=44058&highlight=gibbs)


Come on HR make your mind up.

[akhhorus]

rooney rule does not apply if you hire within the organization.

True. But Williams is Gibbs' buddy. Since Gibbs is now out as President also, I think his odds just dropped dramatically.

[Red Bear]

well, the offseason is officially underway. Gibbs did more for this franchise in the past 4 years than any other coach has done since Gibbs left the first time and i thank him for that. It will be interesting to see where this franchise heads, i dont know if i want Williams as head coach. and im not sure if the rooney rule applies when you promote from within, but i could be wrong...

[CNYSkinFan]

yes but a few were like me and in favor of him coming back if he "righted the ship" which he did.

Still you hate to see it happen, I mean come one...this Jo Jackson gibbls. We loved him growing up and not one person wanted to see him leave this way.

[JsMaViSd]

i dont want Cowher either

took him 18 years to finally get a ring, its already been 18 already here, dont wanna wait another 18

[Moe]

Radio is saying Gibbs will stick as an advisor for a year and likely get a piece of the team.
Just had Florio from Pro Football Talk on and he said that it's widely accepted that Cowher did have some conversations with a few teams, Washington included, just as a feeler so it's not out of the question that some framework hasn't already been set.

[Redskinmayhem]

Since Gibbs resigned as pres, I'm betting its going to be cowher.

I'm not on the Cowher bandwagon. I don't see his motivation to come here. He's already won a SB with "his real team". He'll always be a steeler. He's the guy that replaced chuck knoll. That's his legacy. Obviously as skins fans we've learned that money isn't enough motivation so what makes cowher different? We've all seen that commercial on the NFL network where he talks about his daughter coming to him on the field after winning the SB and she says to him "Daddy we did it" and he's nearly in tears talking about it....the man has reached his pinnacle. I don't think he'd be as motivated here.

[chrisbcbu]

True. But Williams is Gibbs' buddy. Since Gibbs is now out as President also, I think his odds just dropped dramatically.

I was responding to another poster about the rooney rule. But i agree. I dont see Williams being the next HC. And if Saunders leaves then our offense just went down the crapper. That would be another whole new offense to learn.

I actually wouldnt mind if they were to bring in Grimm as HC and promote Lazor to OC(i know they wont) and bring in one of the Ryan boys as DC.

[JsMaViSd]

I'm not on the Cowher bandwagon. I don't see his motivation to come here. He's already won a SB with "his real team". He'll always be a steeler. He's the guy that replaced chuck knoll. That's his legacy. Obviously as skins fans we've learned that money isn't enough motivation so what makes cowher different? We've all seen that commercial on the NFL network where he talks about his daughter coming to him on the field after winning the SB and she says to him "Daddy we did it" and he's nearly in tears talking about it....the man has reached his pinnacle. I don't think he'd be as motivated here.

i agree

[greatest2]

losing sean, and now gibbs. man this season sucks

[Carmelo]

Amen Carmelo....amen

Gotta admit, this board is absolutely funny. Just three weeks ago, Joe Gibbs leaving was the front runner in a poll.

Remember this thread (http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=44031&highlight=gibbs)


and this one (http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=44058&highlight=gibbs)


Come on HR make your mind up.

yes but a few were like me and in favor of him coming back if he "righted the ship" which he did.

Still you hate to see it happen, I mean come one...this Jo Jackson gibbls. We loved him growing up and not one person wanted to see him leave this way.

I have not been very vocal about it but I never once this year wanted Gibbs to leave. I may have thought there were too many cooks in the kitchen but I never wanted to see Gibbs go.

[akhhorus]

I was responding to another poster about the rooney rule. But i agree. I dont see Williams being the next HC. And if Saunders leaves then our offense just went down the crapper. That would be another whole new offense to learn.

I actually wouldnt mind if they were to bring in Grimm as HC and promote Lazor to OC(i know they wont) and bring in one of the Ryan boys as DC.

Yeah, the fact that they didn't announce Williams as the successor immediately makes me think that he has little chance.

[PennSkinsFan]

Reember to, GW does not get the job, chances of him staying are pretty close to nil.

[chrisbcbu]

LOL. Mort said that Pete Carroll is a canidate for the HC position on Mike & Mike.

I definetely dont see that happening.

[cal_junior]

took him 18 years to finally get a ring,

Not true. And I don't think it would take that long if he came to Washington.

[PennSkinsFan]

Yeah, the fact that they didn't announce Williams as the successor immediately makes me think that he has little chance.

I would not say that. The press conference is at 3PM and Gregg Williams could be standing right next to Gibbs.

[CNYSkinFan]

Reember to, GW does not get the job, chances of him staying are pretty close to nil.
And thus the silver lining appears...........

[akhhorus]

I'm not on the Cowher bandwagon. I don't see his motivation to come here. He's already won a SB with "his real team". He'll always be a steeler. He's the guy that replaced chuck knoll. That's his legacy. Obviously as skins fans we've learned that money isn't enough motivation so what makes cowher different? We've all seen that commercial on the NFL network where he talks about his daughter coming to him on the field after winning the SB and she says to him "Daddy we did it" and he's nearly in tears talking about it....the man has reached his pinnacle. I don't think he'd be as motivated here.

Its another mountain to climb. If Cowher were to get the skins to the super bowl, and win another 50-60 games, then he could make a case as one of the best coaches ever.

[Spence]

The Redskins cannot just give the job to Gregg Williams. They have to interview at least one minority candidate. They have to at least pretend to consider an African-American for the job. Otherwise, they'll get in trouble with the Commish.

[Carmelo]

I was responding to another poster about the rooney rule. But i agree. I dont see Williams being the next HC. And if Saunders leaves then our offense just went down the crapper. That would be another whole new offense to learn.

I actually wouldnt mind if they were to bring in Grimm as HC and promote Lazor to OC(i know they wont) and bring in one of the Ryan boys as DC.
That's another huge problem... The consistency. Now we have to start all over again.

Anyone know any statistics on coaches in the first year with a team? Any team ever go all the way with a first year coach or get really far?

[JsMaViSd]

LOL. Mort said that Pete Carroll is a canidate for the HC position on Mike & Mike.

I definetely dont see that happening.

oh please god, dont let this happen

[cal_junior]

Yeah, the fact that they didn't announce Williams as the successor immediately makes me think that he has little chance.

There is still the presser, I guess. If he doesn't get announced then it's over.

[akhhorus]

I would not say that. The press conference is at 3PM and Gregg Williams could be standing right next to Gibbs.

Thats a possibility, but no one knows this? And I don't think Gibbs would hand things to Williams and leave as team President.

[chrisbcbu]

The Redskins cannot just give the job to Gregg Williams. They have to interview at least one minority candidate. They have to at least pretend to consider an African-American for the job. Otherwise, they'll get in trouble with the Commish.

They do not have to do that. The exception to the Rooney rule is you can promote within the organization and not interview a minority.

[akhhorus]

The Redskins cannot just give the job to Gregg Williams. They have to interview at least one minority candidate. They have to at least pretend to consider an African-American for the job. Otherwise, they'll get in trouble with the Commish.

I don't think the rooney rule applies if they are promoting from within.

[JsMaViSd]

Not true. And I don't think it would take that long if he came to Washington.

sorry, 13 years to get a ring...

[greatest2]

The Redskins cannot just give the job to Gregg Williams. They have to interview at least one minority candidate. They have to at least pretend to consider an African-American for the job. Otherwise, they'll get in trouble with the Commish.

very true, i don't expect them to announce a successor at the press conference. I think they say we will do our research, blah blah blah. BUt you gotta believe that if they want GW or AL then theywill give them a wink when they say this. Also, hope AL was serious about JC being the guy, cause you gotta believe AL will still be here so it will probably be up to him as to who starts.

[dj_stouty]

Wow...I'm shocked. I was convinced Gibbs would stay for the final year and leave his successor with a fine tuned group of true Redskins. My guess is that he feels as if the Skins can do better without him; which makes him very humble and not as "set in his ways" as some of you have thought.

Even if GW is their guy, they will still have to interview on the open market, for no other reason than to fulfull the minority-interview requirement. Who knows...maybe they end up liking someone like Garrett or Cowher better?

One thing I'll tell ya, the million dollar payout is chump change to Snyder. To put it in Redskins terms; a million bucks is (1) Tyler Ecker and (1) Vernon Fox. Enough said...

I'll miss you coach.

[akhhorus]

That's another huge problem... The consistency. Now we have to start all over again.

Anyone know any statistics on coaches in the first year with a team? Any team ever go all the way with a first year coach or get really far?

Barry Switzer....

[morty55]

The Redskins cannot just give the job to Gregg Williams. They have to interview at least one minority candidate. They have to at least pretend to consider an African-American for the job. Otherwise, they'll get in trouble with the Commish.

yeah that only works if you are Jerry Jones and hire Bill Parcells

[PennSkinsFan]

Bottom line --- if they stick to the plan in place, GW will be it. If Snyder plans to make another collosal change tot he franchise, then he will go in a new direction. if he chooses to do that without a GM, then expect more mediocrity.

[chrisbcbu]

That's another huge problem... The consistency. Now we have to start all over again.

Anyone know any statistics on coaches in the first year with a team? Any team ever go all the way with a first year coach or get really far?

look at the Cowgirls. they went 13-3 with a new coach. Its a possibilty but its not very likely.

Didnt the Buc win the Super Bowl with Chuckie in the first year? And Bill Calahan took the Raiders to the Bowl in his first year for the Raiders.

[greatest2]

They do not have to do that. The exception to the Rooney rule is you can promote within the organization and not interview a minority.

oh ok, sorry. didn't know that part of the rule. well that should make the presser that much more exciting. the jubilation i had when the news broke gibbs was coming back, is now filled with sadness with him leaving. man, i can't say this enough, this season blows.

[JsMaViSd]

Barry Switzer....

yep

[Moe]

That's another huge problem... The consistency. Now we have to start all over again.

Depending upon how you look at it, maybe not such a bad thing.

[cal_junior]

sorry, 13 years to get a ring...

And it only took him three to get to a Super Bowl

[TrueOracle]

Thanks for the memories.... But after those comments yesterday about TC and JC regarding competition at that position, I really wanted him to go. It was time.

I guess I'm resigned to the fact that I'll retake my leadership position at all bars during the football season. I'm the guy everyone will refer to as "that drunk bastard" or TDB for short.

[akhhorus]

Bottom line --- if they stick to the plan in place, GW will be it. If Snyder plans to make another collosal change tot he franchise, then he will go in a new direction. if he chooses to do that without a GM, then expect more mediocrity.

To paraphrase Cormic McCarthy: If the plan you followed brought you to this, then what good is the plan. Williams was a disaster as a head coach in buffalo, and he's been very inconsistent as DC here. If the choice is rolling the dice with Williams or someone else, I'll take someone else.

[Carmelo]

Barry Switzer....
he came in to a powerhouse cowgirls team

[Patrick]

Bottom line --- if they stick to the plan in place, GW will be it. If Snyder plans to make another collosal change tot he franchise, then he will go in a new direction. if he chooses to do that without a GM, then expect more mediocrity.

Kinda feel no matter which direction he decides to take - We better start preparing now AND for a LONG time to come!

[JsMaViSd]

To paraphrase Cormic McCarthy: If the plan you followed brought you to this, then what good is the plan. Williams was a disaster as a head coach in buffalo, and he's been very inconsistent as DC here. If the choice is rolling the dice with Williams or someone else, I'll take someone else.

my thoughts exactly

Williams will only drag this team down farther.

We need someone with fire, like Cowher WAS. but what scares me is that he wont play with that fire as hes already got his legacy

[akhhorus]

he came in to a powerhouse cowgirls team

Correction, he won it in his 2nd year. Nm lol.

[TrueOracle]

Bottom line --- if they stick to the plan in place, GW will be it. If Snyder plans to make another collosal change tot he franchise, then he will go in a new direction. if he chooses to do that without a GM, then expect more mediocrity.

Personally, I don't think GW is a head coach. He's too much of a hot head. In the end, after about 3 years, we'll be right back in the same place - looking for another head coach. I could be wrong though. I mean look at Belichick (sp?) after his debacle in Cleveland. But I just don't think GW can find favor with all players. They'll all be playing w/a degree of fear and that's not constructive in this game.

[CNYSkinFan]

Someone find out where redskin one is right now.....

If it is the Pittsburgh or AZ area then we know what's up

BTW how long was it after Spurrier we got Gibbs

[Carmelo]

To paraphrase Cormic McCarthy: If the plan you followed brought you to this, then what good is the plan. Williams was a disaster as a head coach in buffalo, and he's been very inconsistent as DC here. If the choice is rolling the dice with Williams or someone else, I'll take someone else.
I would definitely go with rolling the dice with someone else. I'm not a fan of GW as HC at all. Not even a tiny sliver of a bit.

I wouldn't mind saunders staying as OC especially considering that without Gibbs, he'd probably play a lot less conservatively and really open it up. I think it would be a big plus if we didn't have to switch offenses now.

[KidBroSweets]

This needed to happen.

Gibbs, thanks for coming back. Thanks for putting your legacy on the line. Thanks for the countless hours. You gave us hope, which is something none of us had after the Spurrier debauchery. It just wasn't in the cards for your second run, but I appreciate you.

I agree with Keino here. I love Joe....always have and always will. However, the 2nd time around it just wasn't the same. I really appreciate everything Joe did for the team. He is an unbelievable man.

With all this being said, I want Gregg to be the next Head Coach of this football team. We have something going now and I dont want to mess the chemistry up. I think Gregg would make a good head coach the 2nd time around. His aggressiveness really came back to him at the end of the year. He seems to be a really smart football guy by hearing him talk. Al should be the full time OC, and Greg Blatche could move to the defensive coordinator.

[Redskinmayhem]

Its another mountain to climb. If Cowher were to get the skins to the super bowl, and win another 50-60 games, then he could make a case as one of the best coaches ever.


I'm no one to judge Cowher but I think he can already make that case. His teams were always feared and he won tons of games. It might work but I just don't see it or like it. this is one situation where I wouldn't mind eating crow lol.

[JsMaViSd]

I agree with Keino here. I love Joe....always have and always will. However, the 2nd time around it just wasn't the same. I really appreciate everything Joe did for the team. He is an unbelievable man.

With all this being said, I want Gregg to be the next Head Coach of this football team. We have something going now and I dont want to mess the chemistry up. I think Gregg would make a good head coach the 2nd time around. His aggressiveness really came back to him at the end of the year. He seems to be a really smart football guy by hearing him talk. Al should be the full time OC, and Greg Blatche could move to the defensive coordinator.

It looked like his agressiveness came back to him after the 05 season, but look what happened in 06...

[Hr fan]

I wish he had stayed as team president. We are talking HC, but who will control Danny and Vinny? Who will fulfill the GM role? If it's Vinnie we are in for very dark times.

[jaylen]

This is bad news, another shake up and off season of transition.

Cowher isn't anything special. He's a solid coach about like Marty to me except he caught lightening in a bottle and won a big game.

As for GW signs point to a nightmare but could he be like Belicheck with a second chance. Is being around Gibbs helped harness some things which might make him a capable head coach.

I think we're right back to being in Snyder's hands and that means we're headed for trouble.

This move kills next season in my mind, we're gonna have to reorganize everything.

[Redskinmayhem]

With all this being said, I want Gregg to be the next Head Coach of this football team. We have something going now and I dont want to mess the chemistry up. I think Gregg would make a good head coach the 2nd time around. His aggressiveness really came back to him at the end of the year. He seems to be a really smart football guy by hearing him talk. Al should be the full time OC, and Greg Blatche could move to the defensive coordinator.

I think that setup would obviously be best for the sake of continuity but at this point, maybe we need MORE than just that. I don't know....

[Bengal224ord]

I wanted to see what next year with Gibbs would bring, but at least we are now a stable organization. Our player now understand authority and we have that Redskin Pride back. Hopefully, he stays in the front office to continue to guide us to the promise land.

Bengal224ord

[greatest2]

WP is reporting that the skins don't have a successor planed right now. so don't expect anything like that at the press conference. some vets also said that they think GW should get the team. don't agree or disagree, just shooting it out there.

There is only one coach i would want that is out of house. Russ Grimm

[Red Bear]

Someone find out where redskin one is right now.....

If it is the Pittsburgh or AZ area then we know what's up

BTW how long was it after Spurrier we got Gibbs

cowher moved to NC

[CNYSkinFan]

cowher moved to NC
...CarMike...get on the phone!!!!!

[jaylen]

WP is reporting that the skins don't have a successor planed right now. so don't expect anything like that at the press conference. some vets also said that they think GW should get the team. don't agree or disagree, just shooting it out there.

There is only one coach i would want that is out of house. Russ Grimm

Grimm to me just doesn't seem Like HC material to me.

I wouldn't mind us hiring a coordinator who has been getting buzz around the league some young guy that no one is thinking of right now. Out the Box type thing.

[greatest2]

...CarMike...get on the phone!!!!!

put that phone down:smash:;)

[JsMaViSd]

id like us to get Jim Schwartz, DC of Tennessee

that guy is a genius

[chrisbcbu]

Correction, he won it in his 2nd year. Nm lol.

Didnt Gruden win the SuperBowl in his first year with Tampa? And didnt Callahan take the Raiders to the SuperBowl in his first year?

[GibbsFan]

A big thanks to Gibbs for coming back. I'm just stunned, and thought he would come back for one more season.

Please don't let it be GW. That arrogant old cus will take this team down the wrong path for sure.

[greatest2]

Grimm to me just doesn't seem Like HC material to me.

I wouldn't mind us hiring a coordinator who has been getting buzz around the league some young guy that no one is thinking of right now. Out the Box type thing.

well if he is HC it allows saunders tot stay offense, and if GW stays he stays defense. Bugel is gone probably, and gimm takes over as oline coach (which we need due to lack of depth and draft picks. someone needs to work with heyer, someone good like bugel.) I like grimm, obviously has steam in washington and he has created buzz last year. he is the only one i want out of house, preffereably i want someone in house like GW or AL.

[akhhorus]

Didnt Gruden win the SuperBowl in his first year with Tampa? And didnt Callahan take the Raiders to the SuperBowl in his first year?

THink so to both.

[JsMaViSd]

Didnt Gruden win the SuperBowl in his first year with Tampa? And didnt Callahan take the Raiders to the SuperBowl in his first year?

yes Gruden did

but the ring was basically won by Dungy

[greatest2]

id like us to get Jim Schwartz, DC of Tennessee

that guy is a genius

took the 32 ranked defense to 5 this year. much like gw took 31 to 8 i think. i don't know, he also got great play from there DT albert haynsworth (spelling). i think the talk around the league about him being great genius is overated, but thats just me and i could be completly of base.

[Moe]

Cowher isn't anything special. He's a solid coach about like Marty to me except he caught lightening in a bottle and won a big game.

Even though I'm not totally sold on Cowher, that comparison sells him well short.
One interesting aspect to Cowher in DC would be to see what he could do with an owner that isn't a tightwad.

[tbfoster1]

id like us to get Jim Schwartz, DC of Tennessee

that guy is a genius

Never heard of the guy and all I can think about is Spaceballs when I hear it.

The 08 season is probably going to suck, but we will see

[nicefellow31]

This is bad news, another shake up and off season of transition.

Cowher isn't anything special. He's a solid coach about like Marty to me except he caught lightening in a bottle and won a big game.

As for GW signs point to a nightmare but could he be like Belicheck with a second chance. Is being around Gibbs helped harness some things which might make him a capable head coach.

I think we're right back to being in Snyder's hands and that means we're headed for trouble.

This move kills next season in my mind, we're gonna have to reorganize everything.

Cowher got his start in coaching with Marty in Cleveland and KC. That is why they are similar.

[greatest2]

Even though I'm not totally sold on Cowher, that comparison sells him well short.
One interesting aspect to Cowher in DC would be to see what he could do with an owner that isn't a tightwad.

great point i hadn't thought of. my only question is motivation, other then that, i think he fits the bill. but i think his motivation will be lacking and i rather have a guy all heart like gibbs or grimm then a guy with no motivation.

ps. post reports other teams have talked to cowher but he seems dead set on a 2 year leave. doesn't mean the skins don't contact him, but i think he is out of the picture. but what do i know, i thought gibbs was coming back and we were going to be fighting for a first round bye and homefield come december 08, right now it seems all that is going down the drain.

[akhhorus]

great point i hadn't thought of. my only question is motivation, other then that, i think he fits the bill. but i think his motivation will be lacking and i rather have a guy all heart like gibbs or grimm then a guy with no motivation.

ps. post reports other teams have talked to cowher but he seems dead set on a 2 year leave. doesn't mean the skins don't contact him, but i think he is out of the picture. but what do i know, i thought gibbs was coming back and we were going to be fighting for a first round bye and homefield come december 08, right now it seems all that is going down the drain.

His coyness for other jobs could be explained by the fact that PFT has been reporting for over a year that the Skins and Cowher have talked.

[dj_stouty]

The only problem I see with going outside the team to get a new HC is the fate of Jason Campbell. Jason was drafted and developed by Joe Gibbs. A new head coach (Cowher, Grimm...etc) may want to start over with their own vet or top draft pick...or you never know if a defensive minded HC came in and let Al make the call. I wouldn't it put it past Al to name Todd the starter. (This is assuming Al is still on board)

[redwolf1218]

yes Gruden did

but the ring was basically won by Dungy

true, Gruden had success with the core Dungy built, and this year Dallas had success with the core that Parcells built. i believe the Redskins could have similar success next year in Gibbs' absence because of the core group, values and team character that he has put in place here.

[Moe]

great point i hadn't thought of. my only question is motivation, other then that, i think he fits the bill. but i think his motivation will be lacking and i rather have a guy all heart like gibbs or grimm then a guy with no motivation.

ps. post reports other teams have talked to cowher but he seems dead set on a 2 year leave. doesn't mean the skins don't contact him, but i think he is out of the picture. but what do i know, i thought gibbs was coming back and we were going to be fighting for a first round bye and homefield come december 08, right now it seems all that is going down the drain.

I think the questions about his motivation are legit and I share them. He's clearly a fiery guy and that has to take a lot our of you which makes you wonder if one year is a long enough break or if he does return, can he recapture that energy. Guess we'll see.

To your "p.s."- heard on the radio that reports are that Cowher and Snyder talked at some point within the last 30 days...make of that what you will.

[redskin_rich]

Thanks for everything, Joe.
Gibbs II just didn't have anywhere near the success of Gibbs I.
Hopefully, the Redskins will have better luck post-Gibbs II than they did post-Gibbs I.

[Moe]

The only problem I see with going outside the team to get a new HC is the fate of Jason Campbell. Jason was drafted and developed by Joe Gibbs. A new head coach (Cowher, Grimm...etc) may want to start over with their own vet or top draft pick...or you never know if a defensive minded HC came in and let Al make the call. I wouldn't it put it past Al to name Todd the starter. (This is assuming Al is still on board)

A valid worry but when you look at the dearth of QB talent currently in the league, it tells me that Campbell is pretty safe.

[CNYSkinFan]

I blame Sean Suisham...if he had made that kick we wsould be playing in Dallas this week not trying to find out who the next hc is

[greatest2]

offensive and defensive players alike want GW to coach. for two reasons it seems, they think he has earned it, and they think that they are in the right direction with the group of guys and want to keep everything intact. this all per JLC

i am going to be the minority but i want GW as head coach. im willing to give him a second chance and hope he learned from his mistakes. This allows Al to be Al fully, keep players, and GW may get back to GW without fear of giving up the big play etc. anyway, i know im in the minority but my coach list goes - GW, AL, Grimm

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Thanks for everything, Joe.
Gibbs II just didn't have anywhere near the success of Gibbs I.
Hopefully, the Redskins will have better luck post-Gibbs II than they did post-Gibbs I.

I can only hope. I'm pretty depressed today. We are the poster child for franchise dysfunction. Sadly I don't think Viagra or Levitra can help this problem.

[Red Bear]

remember when cowher said he wouldnt coach in 2007 or 2008 on a pregame show earlier this year. perhaps that was because no one at the time knew if gibbs would stay on or not for the full 5 years. so perhaps cowher and snyder have had contact about the job and maybe a wink nod kinda deal

[Redskin4Life]

The only reason I hope it's not Cowher is we don't have the personnel to run a 3-4. And I think he'd want us to go that direction.

Plus, I think we'll do well with GW and AS as HC and Assitant. I honestly think Coach Gibbs stepped back and let all the coaches coach these last 4-5 games. He probably realized that they're a better team when he's not involved with the gameplanning and coaching. Don't forget... Coach Gibbs will never lose his love for the Redskins. He's left the team in better hands since he's stepping down.

[Rogers_Redskins]

All I can think of is the excitement on this board when Gibbs said he was coming back four years ago. It was amazing. Anyone would have had a hard time living up to the expectations of this fan base.

Thank you Coach Gibbs for giving us hope.

As for a new coach, I do not know. I think Russ Grimm would be a great fit. Unfortunately our whole staff would be replaced. MAybe in house is the way to go, less upheavel, more of a smooth transition.

[AGibbsGirl]

Damn! Just read this

(Excuse me) but Damn it!

I too was hoping for just one more year....I hoped that we could get back to just one more Super Bowl for Coach...life stinks for me today...

I would have hoped that when he did retire he would go on to be the GM not just an "Advisor" to Snyder..what the heck does that mean anyway?

What it means is I will never, ever, again see my beloved Coach on the sidelines at a game ever again, with clipboard in hand... I will never, ever again see him ride by on top of a bus holding the Lombardi Trophy up high and pointing to the fans

I hate today.... :cry:

STINKER BUTTS!!!!!!!!!!

[Red Bear]

I blame Sean Suisham...if he had made that kick we wsould be playing in Dallas this week not trying to find out who the next hc is

i blame your ongoing tirade of purposely spelling redskin players names wrong ;)

[NCskinsfanatic]

I know this will make a lot of people happy but this breaks my heart. I was truly hoping for Gibbs to finish out his time here at least. I really wanted Gibbs back.

Me too Melo. And the old addage be careful what you wish for comes to mind....everyone that wanted Gibbs gone better be ok with a pretty extensive rebuilding period if we go outside of the current staff. I know alot of teams do a one year turnaround with a new coach but this team, with its holes and limited cap space does not strke me as one of them. This was Gibbs team with Gibbs guys, lots of backloaded contracts, tons of holes and the possibility of complete philosophy changes means even the good players we have may not fit into the new HC's plans. GW doesnt excite me other than the possibility for continuity. If Al leaves too then the entire O will be scrapped, with few playmakers and an aging OL not much pleasant to look forward too there, we'll be lucky to see 5-11 and 6-10 season let alone the 6th seed in the playoffs IMO, atleasty for a couple of seasons. But rejoice Gibbs haters atleast he's gone right? On D, its filled with GW style players and if hes not the coach how many more holes does that create, I just dont know. But I think we would have been a better team in 08 with Gibbs than we will be without.

[Redskin4Life]

I noticed some say that Grimm could be the OLine coach here if the coaching staff stays/gets promoted. Al Saunders buddy, Mike Solari, is available. He was KC's OLine coach when he was there. We could just hire him.

[Redskinmayhem]

i am going to be the minority but i want GW as head coach. im willing to give him a second chance and hope he learned from his mistakes. This allows Al to be Al fully, keep players, and GW may get back to GW without fear of giving up the big play etc. anyway, i know im in the minority but my coach list goes - GW, AL, Grimm

I have to say, I was pretty upset with GW earlier in the season but I'm leaning towards this setup as well. I want to see what AS can do once the handcuffs are off. I want to see what GW can do when we have an attacking offense. I'm not ready to blow it all up yet. I say we play out the 08 for Joe Gibbs.

[CNYSkinFan]

i blame your ongoing tirade of purposely spelling redskin players names wrong ;)
i spell it like i hear it :)

[lakeskin]

This needed to happen.

Gibbs, thanks for coming back. Thanks for putting your legacy on the line. Thanks for the countless hours. You gave us hope, which is something none of us had after the Spurrier debauchery. It just wasn't in the cards for your second run, but I appreciate you.

Well said.

[Canuck]

I noticed some say that Grimm could be the OLine coach here if the coaching staff stays/gets promoted. Al Saunders buddy, Mike Solari, is available. He was KC's OLine coach when he was there. We could just hire him.

I was thinking the same thing -- I don't see Bugel sticking around either. Hopefully a lot of these questions will be answered at the 3pm presser.

[AGibbsGirl]

Geeze, think about these players...what a terrible season for them even more now-after all they've been through, now they're losing their coach...wonder what the reaction will be? Please post links if you see them boys, Mom's courious about the human side of this too

[skinfanjon]

Thanks for everything, Joe.

I would be ecstatic if we could get Mike Singletary. Grimm would also do nicely. I could live with Cower, his reputation is great and he would bring instant credibility.

If we hire Gregg or Carroll, I will spend the rest of the offseason vomiting my lunches. Seriously, if either one of those guys get near that HC headset, we are doomed.

The thought of Gregg, Vinny, and Dan hanging out in Redskin 1 debating whether to sign the next Adam Archuleta or Brandon Lloyd makes me ill.

[greatest2]

anybody else have a strange feeling we will be getting a gm this year?

[Battle Cat]

I hoped GIbbs would finish out his contract as well. I defintely don't want Cowher. And for those that say Saunders would stay on with Cowher I totally disagree. Saunders had to deal with Gibbs being so conservative this year and then having the handcuffs taken off do you guys really think he is going to go from that to a complete straight jacket. Cowher is so conservative he makes Gibbs offensive philosophy this year look like Mike Martz. I don't think Sanuders wants to get on board with that. Plus with the G. Williams hire how do you think he would have handled the tragedy this year or any other thing that came up that can't be explained by X's and O's. Maybe how he handled the Lavar Arrington, Adam Arch, or Shawn Springs situations, no thanks. Plus one last thing about Cowher he got his ring now he wants to get paid. The Steelers are not going to pay any head coach allot of money so that is why he left. He got his ring now he is looking for the othe part of his legacy the money, and he always had a gm and didn't put that team together in Pittsburgh so why would we let him come here and experiment and try to put his first team together ever here.

[redskin2117]

I don't even know what to say to this other than I feel like crying.

[greatest2]

Geeze, think about these players...what a terrible season for them even more now-after all they've been through, now they're losing their coach...wonder what the reaction will be? Please post links if you see them boys, Mom's courious about the human side of this too

redskins.com has EL and Casey on there, but only 2 questions for about 1 min. a interview. not much


you gotta believe this hurts them, they lose there boy, then they lose there leader, and guy they truely loved. Plus they thought they were heading in the right direction, now there is uncertainty. the season blows for all the fans, organization, and players. i hope this run of bad luck we have had leads to many lucky seasons and a few SB wins in the next decade.

[hessy36]

This season has made me cry more times than I can count.. heart wrenching...

[CNYSkinFan]

Geeze, think about these players...what a terrible season for them even more now-after all they've been through, now they're losing their coach...wonder what the reaction will be? Please post links if you see them boys, Mom's courious about the human side of this too
this might...(and kleep in mind I ddi not want this to happen) be better for everyone on that issue. IF Gibbs was back next year it would be likely that no one could properly heal from the Taylor issue because it waould always be around. What these players did this year in his memory ifs wonderful, but they now need to move on and live their lives. A fresh start could help.

[JsMaViSd]

i wonder what Randel El's thoughts are of bringing Cowher here are?

[RicFlairOne]

I think that GW will be named coach (it is what it is) give him his second chance and see what he can do. Belichick certainly has done better his 2nd go round.

I'm primarily interested in the Front Office - ie who will be calling the shots on personnel issues. Let's hope Dan has learned from all of this. If he and Vinny in charge, then we are destined for several poor seasons and quite frankly will deserve it!

[greatest2]

I hoped GIbbs would finish out his contract as well. I defintely don't want Cowher. And for those that say Saunders would stay on with Cowher I totally disagree. Saunders had to deal with Gibbs being so conservative this year and then having the handcuffs taken off do you guys really think he is going to go from that to a complete straight jacket. Cowher is so conservative he makes Gibbs offensive philosophy this year look like Mike Martz. I don't think Sanuders wants to get on board with that. Plus with the G. Williams hire how do you think he would have handled the tragedy this year or any other thing that came up that can't be explained by X's and O's. Maybe how he handled the Lavar Arrington, Adam Arch, or Shawn Springs situations, no thanks. Plus one last thing about Cowher he got his ring now he wants to get paid. The Steelers are not going to pay any head coach allot of money so that is why he left. He got his ring now he is looking for the othe part of his legacy the money, and he always had a gm and didn't put that team together in Pittsburgh so why would we let him come here and experiment and try to put his first team together ever here.

agree with most your points, especially about cowher. as for GW, i want him but that is certainly a con he has. i don't know if he can be a leader of men, or as you said, how can he lead us through anything not x's and o's. this is why i feel we get a gm this year and hire gw as head coach. al stays as OC and has full control.

[greatest2]

this might...(and kleep in mind I ddi not want this to happen) be better for everyone on that issue. IF Gibbs was back next year it would be likely that no one could properly heal from the Taylor issue because it waould always be around. What these players did this year in his memory ifs wonderful, but they now need to move on and live their lives. A fresh start could help.

dude, most of them will never forget. and for the others, as long as they play football they will remember it. i think losing the guy who gave you strength and who stood by you, and who players loved (samuels is one, and look at all the pressers where they don't just say the regular things, they go beyond to say good things about coach) is hard. i truely think it sucks for them and hurts them emotionally, what a tough season. hopefully things get better tho

[dj_stouty]

The Steelers are not going to pay any head coach allot of money so that is why he left. He got his ring now he is looking for the othe part of his legacy the money, and he always had a gm and didn't put that team together in Pittsburgh so why would we let him come here and experiment and try to put his first team together ever here.

I dont' agree. If all Cowher wanted was a payday, he would have taken one of the handful of jobs available last year. The fact that he is sitting back and waiting makes me believe he wants to pick and chose which team to go to. With is resume being as it is; I think he can do that.

Of course, he could have been waiting for Fox to get fired so he could coach in his home state.

I don't think this is about money.

[RicFlairOne]

i wonder what Randel El's thoughts are of bringing Cowher here are?

Go to washpost / JLC blog / he wants Williams as HC with AS as coordinator.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Go to washpost / JLC blog / he wants Williams as HC with AS as coordinator.

If you believe in what we are building, this probably gives us the best chance to continue what we are doing.

The question is, do you believe in what we are building?

[greatest2]

If you believe in what we are building, this probably gives us the best chance to continue what we are doing.

The question is, do you believe in what we are building?

truely, i don't believe we are building, i think we are built. a team like green bay is building, a young team (aside from favre, tho that is huge) on the rise, or titans. We are a vet team and soon will have to let most these guys go. i think the question is - do you think this group of guys, plus or minus a few FA and draft picks, can capture the lombardi trophy, or not? if yes, you stay in house. if not you get a new coach and blow it up.

[PennSkinsFan]

Go to washpost / JLC blog / he wants Williams as HC with AS as coordinator.

Jason Reid just spent some time alone with starting WR Antwaan Randle El, who played on Cowher's championship team in Pittsburgh. Randle El voiced strong support for Gregg Williams: "I want the best coach for the job and Gregg is certainly at the top of the list, no doubt. I would love to see him get it just 'cause we've gotten going with the crew that we have here. I would love to see Gregg keep it and let's keep our offensive coordinator. Let's keep all that intact."

Here you go

[CNYSkinFan]

dude, most of them will never forget. and for the others, as long as they play football they will remember it. i think losing the guy who gave you strength and who stood by you, and who players loved (samuels is one, and look at all the pressers where they don't just say the regular things, they go beyond to say good things about coach) is hard. i truely think it sucks for them and hurts them emotionally, what a tough season. hopefully things get better tho
I don't believe I ever said forget...I said move on, there is a difference.

[Battle Cat]

Here you go
That is not a suprise. A wide receiver not wanting to play for a run on first down, run on second down and lets fool them with a draw play on third down coach. I don't really know what you expected him to say. He knows that with the handcuffs taken off what Saunders offense can do. He also knows what an uphill battle learning a totally new offensive system means at least a 2 year project at least.

[CNYSkinFan]

truely, i don't believe we are building, i think we are built. a team like green bay is building, a young team (aside from favre, tho that is huge) on the rise, or titans. We are a vet team and soon will have to let most these guys go. i think the question is - do you think this group of guys, plus or minus a few FA and draft picks, can capture the lombardi trophy, or not? if yes, you stay in house. if not you get a new coach and blow it up.
What!?!?!!? I mean really? Green Bay is playing a home playoff game and are primed for aa SuperBowl run...we are very old and needing miracle runs to get into the playoffs.

[whistleandthumb]

That's another huge problem... The consistency. Now we have to start all over again.

Anyone know any statistics on coaches in the first year with a team? Any team ever go all the way with a first year coach or get really far?
Jon Gruden.

[Redskin4Life]

I dont' agree. If all Cowher wanted was a payday, he would have taken one of the handful of jobs available last year. The fact that he is sitting back and waiting makes me believe he wants to pick and chose which team to go to. With is resume being as it is; I think he can do that.

Of course, he could have been waiting for Fox to get fired so he could coach in his home state.

I don't think this is about money.
Cowher was still under contract last year... the Steelers would have to arrange a trade for Cowher last year. This offseason is his first as a FA. So he could just be waiting to get paid....

[bigcmr]

I was hoping for one more Gibbs year. But I guess the game has taken to much out of him. Gibbs will always be our fav. coach. And after a year of one bad thing after another. Gibbs still got us into the playoffs with something to build off of. And least he finished his great carear by beating the crap out of Dallas at home in front of all the Redskins fans.

[CNYSkinFan]

I expect all the vets to want Gregg because there is less of a chance of them losing their job if he is there as opposed to soemone from the outside.

[JsMaViSd]

Cowher wanted to coach for the steelers but wanted an 8 million dollar contract..

they wouldnt give him it, so he chose to resign.

But out of any team in the NFL, the skins are the one team that isnt scared to shell out 8 million for him.

[Spence]

Casey Rabach and Antwaan Randle-El have come out in support of Gregg Williams. Interesting that two offensive players immediately came out for the defense coach.

Read all about it (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=366).

[greatest2]

What!?!?!!? I mean really? Green Bay is playing a home playoff game and are primed for aa SuperBowl run...we are very old and needing miracle runs to get into the playoffs.

by building i meant a young team. green bay is the youngest team in the league i believe. they are building and are getting better and better each passing game and will continue to get better next year. same with the titans. they are young and up-coming. as you said we are old, we are built, is what we have built good enough for the superbowl? well if you say yes, then keep a coach in house. if you say no, then get a coach out of house and scrap the whole thing and kick off the rebuilding. i don't see anything wrong in my post, purely logical

[greatest2]

I expect all the vets to want Gregg because there is less of a chance of them losing their job if he is there as opposed to soemone from the outside.

agree. thats got to be one of the reasons. im sure there are others, like they truely believe he is the best choice, but you gotta believe that the players have this cross there minds. check out JLC blog, casey and el both want gregg.

[CNYSkinFan]

Casey Rabach and Antwaan Randle-El have come out in support of Gregg Williams. Interesting that two offensive players immediately came out for the defense coach.

Read all about it (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=366).
As I said before...no vet is going to come out against GW and almost every vet will want him because that means continuity....a guy from them outside may mean massive changes.

[AGibbsGirl]

Casey Rabach and Antwaan Randle-El have come out in support of Gregg Williams. Interesting that two offensive players immediately came out for the defense coach.

Read all about it (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=366).

Geeze, PSF's article almost made me cry...nicely written

[Spence]

We don't know what Gregg Williams would do. I think it is a mistake to assume too much about Williams. He's been a mini-head coach since he got here and probably has a lot of his own ideas. Considering the relative lack of success in Gibbs 2.0, Williams may very well feel quite comfortable shaking things up. Gibbs' way didn't work this time and Williams might want to impress upon people that he is his own man and had a solid coaching career before ever meeting Joe Gibbs.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Drop the bomb, get a GM and go out of house for a HC. I will miss Joe Gibbs the man but I kinda feel relieved for him that he is calling it done. We need some updated philosophies in DC.

[greatest2]

speaking about JLC he also reporting that Cowher is also a serious canidate for the job.

so its cowher or gregg apparently earlier on. go triple g

[Battle Cat]

As I said before...no vet is going to come out against GW and almost every vet will want him because that means continuity....a guy from them outside may mean massive changes.
No need to come out against a guy that may be your head coach that we all know can hold grudges.

[shally]

please, just not williams..

let's do it right now.. get a GM and hire the best young mind.. preferably on the offensive side of the ball with an experienced DC like one of the ryans

[JsMaViSd]

if GW gets the job, you can count on Springs being here next year

[Moe]

Of course, he could have been waiting for Fox to get fired so he could coach in his home state.

It was announced down here in Charlotte that Fox and Hurney (GM) will be with Carolina next year. I can tell you that the mention of Cowher leaving the state has already kicked off the wailing and moaning.

[skinfanjon]

It was announced down here in Charlotte that Fox and Hurney (GM) will be with Carolina next year. I can tell you that the mention of Cowher leaving the state has already kicked off the wailing and moaning.

Hmmm...this could get interesting.

[silverspring]

I think it was time for gibbs to leave. I am glad he is leaving as president as well because i think he was especially poor in that role. I really don't want cowher to get the job. He is the big flashy name, the typical redskin pick but i would prefer and up and coming coach than someone that has already been there. I would love to see grimm come in. I could live with GW especially if a GM was brought in. GW would have to check his ego at the door though.

[Moe]

We don't know what Gregg Williams would do. I think it is a mistake to assume too much about Williams. He's been a mini-head coach since he got here and probably has a lot of his own ideas. Considering the relative lack of success in Gibbs 2.0, Williams may very well feel quite comfortable shaking things up. Gibbs' way didn't work this time and Williams might want to impress upon people that he is his own man and had a solid coaching career before ever meeting Joe Gibbs.

I think Williams' first go round in Buffalo was marred by the mistake of letting Gilbride run the offense. If he is to get the job in DC the big question is what does that mean for Saunders? If he sticks, then the offense might not miss a beat and we can see just what impact Gibbs might have had on it in the past two years. If he moves on, then we're obviously looking forward to quite a few changes.

[smoak]

Bummer about Gibbs. Hopefully we can keep the offensive scheme the same or else I would BLOW IT UP! I kick everyone over 30 off the team and suffer the cap hell to get a clean slate.

[skinsfan45]

Wow...I'm shocked. I was convinced Gibbs would stay for the final year and leave his successor with a fine tuned group of true Redskins. My guess is that he feels as if the Skins can do better without him; which makes him very humble and not as "set in his ways" as some of you have thought.

Even if GW is their guy, they will still have to interview on the open market, for no other reason than to fulfull the minority-interview requirement. Who knows...maybe they end up liking someone like Garrett or Cowher better?

One thing I'll tell ya, the million dollar payout is chump change to Snyder. To put it in Redskins terms; a million bucks is (1) Tyler Ecker and (1) Vernon Fox. Enough said...

I'll miss you coach.
that pretty much sums it for me 2 - i don't think Gibbs would leave unless he felt that his staying would hurt the team - i'm like everyone else on who steps in(don't know just waiting to hear) but i would not mind at all Garrett taking over the offense or maybe more - dude is smart

[shally]

I think Williams' first go round in Buffalo was marred by the mistake of letting Gilbride run the offense. If he is to get the job in DC the big question is what does that mean for Saunders? If he sticks, then the offense might not miss a beat and we can see just what impact Gibbs might have had on it in the past two years. If he moves on, then we're obviously looking forward to quite a few changes.

i am not big fan of gilbride, but the giants are doing okay with him there

[shally]

that pretty much sums it for me 2 - i don't think Gibbs would leave unless he felt that his staying would hurt the team - i'm like everyone else on who steps in(don't know just waiting to hear) but i would not mind at all Garrett taking over the offense or maybe more - dude is smart

garrett... leslie frazier.. NOOOOO college coaches..

[skinsfan45]

Jon Gruden.
if we bring in from outside for head coach , i like Jon - just wish 3:00 would hurry up and get here

[skinsfan45]

garrett... leslie frazier.. NOOOOO college coaches..
jason garrett - college? huh?

[Moe]

i am not big fan of gilbride, but the giants are doing okay with him there

He was still clinging to some of his old run n' shoot roots on a team with a bad o-line and an immobile and mistake prone Bledsoe at QB. Shame on Williams for letting that roll but he is a defensive guy after all. As it stands now, Gilbride has clearly changed gears...but I'm still not a big fan of his.

[slybri19]

As a Lion fan, I implore you guys not to hire Mike Martz or even to consider him. He's so whacked out with his philosophies that he got run out of Detroit. Personally, I think you already have a great candidate in Al Saunders though.

[shally]

As a Lion fan, I implore you guys not to hire Mike Martz or even to consider him. He's so whacked out with his philosophies that he got run out of Detroit. Personally, I think you already have a great candidate in Al Saunders though.


AS is too old..

[CNYSkinFan]

if GW gets the job, you can count on Springs being here next year
yeah because his benching of Springs vs. Miami shows that....I think if GW comes in Springs may get let go...maybe not, its not a sure thing either way IMO

[Redskin4Life]

yeah because his benching of Springs vs. Miami shows that....I think if GW comes in Springs may get let go...maybe not, its not a sure thing either way IMO
I do know this... if GW is the HC next year, we're going CB with our first pick... :(

[shally]

I do know this... if GW is the HC next year, we're going CB with our first pick... :(


yeh.. and the defensive line will NEVER get fixed

[greatest2]

if you haven't checked this out, please do, JLC blog about the talk between synder and gibbs.

gibbs promised to not overdue the job this time around. that didn't work, he was working as hard as ever and it drained him, add on to that the rough season on top of that and you can see why the guy left. that being said I AM PROUD gibbs did things the way he did. pedal to the metal all the time. that is our leader, and forever our head coach.

[greatest2]

well put PP (expected) an Sellers on the GW bandwagon.

sellers even spoke to greggs "radical" nature, and how he get in your face, but also spoke about a person who would help you out if you worked hard. I think gregg got the X's and O's down since he has been here, the problem i have always seen with him is being a leader of men, and head honcho, a motivator. Well if gregg learned anything from gibbs the past 4 years, its got to be that. Maybe gregg learned how to motivate people from gibbs, learned how to be a leader. im willing to give gregg a shot. he is my first choice.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I know this will make a lot of people happy but this breaks my heart. I was truly hoping for Gibbs to finish out his time here at least. I really wanted Gibbs back.
mine too. some would call me a blind follower, but i don't really care. i hope he stays around the team in some capacity though. i think the sean taylor tragedy really took alot out of him and wore the old man out. i can't blame him or be mad at him and i wish him and his family the absolute best.....

[Slobberknocker]

Sean dies, Joe retires, and the pain goes on and on...

[chrisbcbu]

At first i was all against Williams as the HC. But now i am kinda warming up to the fact. I mean he has been a HC before and his main downfall when he was HC was that he wasnt really a leader.

That is why he came to Washington. To learn how to become a leader from perhaps the greatest leader in Gibbs.

If Williams stays perhaps we can keep Saunders and bring in Saunders old OL coach in KC in Solari or even Alex Gibbs. And either promote Blache to DC or perhaps the DB coach(forget his name) to DC the title he held in Buffalo just 2 years ago.

[Red Bear]

Sean dies, Joe retires, and the pain goes on and on...

well, remember what Gibbs said along the lines of "sometimes you have to go through some of the toughest things in life to get to the good things ahead" or something like that

[ChapelHillMatt]

Haven't read the thread just wanted to put my comments out there.

I think Gibbs did the right thing here. I won't go as far as to say the game has passed him by or anything, he proved over the last 4 weeks that wasn't the case but I do think it's safe to say he wasn't the same HOF coach we grew up loving.

This isn't devastating news imo, I know we all love Gibbs but this could be a good thing as long as we make the right hire. It just scares me that we won't and we'll take a step back instead of a step forward.

[JsMaViSd]

At first i was all against Williams as the HC. But now i am kinda warming up to the fact. I mean he has been a HC before and his main downfall when he was HC was that he wasnt really a leader.

That is why he came to Washington. To learn how to become a leader from perhaps the greatest leader in Gibbs.

If Williams stays perhaps we can keep Saunders and bring in Saunders old OL coach in KC in Solari or even Alex Gibbs. And either promote Blache to DC or perhaps the DB coach(forget his name) to DC the title he held in Buffalo just 2 years ago.

Jerry Gray is who your talking about

[Redskin006]

I would love to see Cowher come in and coach the skins. I just don't see Gregg as a good fit at head coach because he seems to lose his cool quite often and seems to hold grudges against players. I will support him if he becomes the next head coach, but I'd rather see Cowher as the coach. Cowher is fiery but he has a proven track record of success, whereas Wiliams doesn't. I think we should also consider Grimm because he is a Gibbs, Whisenhunt, and Cowher product. And he could bring a lot to the table as a head coach.

[openallnight]

mine too. some would call me a blind follower, but i don't really care. i hope he stays around the team in some capacity though. i think the sean taylor tragedy really took alot out of him and wore the old man out. i can't blame him or be mad at him and i wish him and his family the absolute best.....

I agree 100% w/ ya here lady. I think it would be selfish of us to want to force Gibbs through more of what he had to endure last season. The man has truly given more of himself and contributed to the success of our team more so than arguably anyone within our entire history. Last year was one of the toughest trials coach Gibbs had to endure throughout his 67 years on this planet. I am forever grateful to coach Gibbs for his self-less dedication to our team. May God's grace shed upon him and peace be with him.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Wow.

I would have bet a whole, whole lot on Gibbs being back next year.

Thanks for everything, Coach. You did a lot more for this team than anyone else my young eyes have seen wearing that headset. You'll be missed.

[greatest2]

time to say goodbye to the legend. we love you, you will forever be the redskins head coach.

[jaylen]

The Source of all my Skins Joy through the years, Thank you much Coach Gibbs.

[santanadasavior]

Obviously the first question people are going to ask is what do we do next. I would like to make this thread the place to recognize what Joe Gibbs has done for this team, not just in the last month or so, but in his entire career. As a young Redskins fan, he is the best coach by far I have any memory of, and through watching the older ones, he may have been the best we ever had. I just want to take time to thank him for what he has done, and putting this team back on the right track after years of failure. This is to you Joe, thank you.

[hail2skins]

The thread announcing his retirement was used for that. No need to create a lot of Gibbs threads. This will be merged.

[LATrueRedskin]

Just got home, but I've been monitoring the site all day. I'm saddened to hear that Joe Gibbs has stepped down, but I understand the decision. Thank you, Coach, for putting our team back on the map and making the Redskins respectable again. I'll never forget that, and though I know the next coach will have huge shoes to fill, I hope you have set him up for success. You will be missed.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

I'll forever be grateful for all the great memories form both eras. I think this season was harder on him than any other and given that he was 67 it is easy to see why this decision was made. He is making the right decision for his family.

I admire him for making this decision and contrast this to Andy Reid who needs to be there for his family but is continuing to coach. Gibbs was a great coach but a better person.

[hessy36]

I'm going to say this - when I was young Gibbs was everything to the Skins. Then he left. A lot of time passed, in that time I married, had a son, and I will NEVER forget the night I was sitting on my couch when Dan announced his return. I thought, finally, I get to show my son what SKINS football is all about. Gibbs did that. He gave us strength and he gave us the Skins family back.. and I was happy to share that with my son, even if we didn't win a Superbowl. He taught us, and my son, about what it means to be a TEAM again, to love each other, and to NEVER give up! - fight your guts out! My son experienced the great man Gibbs is, and I'm so thankful for that!!! I'm so thankful that he and I share a similar experience and know the man Gibbs is.

[skinsfan36]

thanks for the two playoff appearances thanks for 3 superbowls! your still a legend and im glad he went out after a playoff apperance and not a 6-10 season. also thanks for getting us set to go in the right direction

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

OMG... Don't know what to say... horrible news. Deep inside, I believed my sig was true (the one about getting another ring no matter what)...

Thank you Joe. Will love you forever.

[MadDog97]

Joe Gibbs leaves with grace and it saddens the fans. However, if I had a 3 year old grandson with leukemia and had endured the Sean Taylor death, I would be burned out too. He wanted us to gain back some of the glory and though we never advanced deep into the playoffs, he made it 2 out of his four years, and that is better than his predecessors.

As for the next coach, I think the first person to be hired is a General Manager. Second, don't go for the big splash.

:niceday:

[FunBunch5]

As much as I was critical of Joe this year I only have one thing to say....Say it isn't so Joe!

[shally]

Joe Gibbs leaves with grace and it saddens the fans. However, if I had a 3 year old grandson with leukemia and had endured the Sean Taylor death, I would be burned out too. He wanted us to gain back some of the glory and though we never advanced deep into the playoffs, he made it 2 out of his four years, and that is better than his predecessors.

As for the next coach, I think the first person to be hired is a General Manager. Second, don't go for the big splash.

:niceday:

i dont see a GM happening.. and that is depressing

[Sweepea436]

Man it was good to have him back. Now he moves on to his next headache - trying to figure how JGR is going to get those Toyotas around the track....... :confused:

[RedSkinBrit]

Thanks Joe Gibbs,the way you and the team rallied this year was special.Hope you stick around because the Redskins organisation is richer for having you around.Enjoy the time with your loved ones and rest up.:beer:

[Axegrinder]

I feel a pang in my gut for losing such a decent and honorable man. Not many folks in life have deserved the dignity and respect that you have, so as a fan, I'm sorry to see you go. You have brought class to this organization.
I'd like to thank you for the memories in D.C. and congratulate you on once again, for doing the right thing. Every fan has a fondness and a special place in their heart for you.
May God bless the Gibbs family, and my best wishes to your grandson on a speedy recovery.
We love Coachie too!!!

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Thank you, Joe Jackson Gibbs for giving the Redskins 16 years of your life. But, especially for the last 4 years for bringing back pride and dignity to the Redskins. Now, you have instilled the qualities and respect of the Redskins Organization that was lost when Norv brought in all the cowboys to the Park. Now the team has a sense of history and pride that no one else could have ever done for the team. You accomplished everything that you needed to by coming back. Snyder knows how the team should be run and you made the team totally professional again. You guided all of us through the loss of Sean Taylor. I don't think anyone else could have handled such a hard situation so good. You came back and you were here for a reason. Your mission was accomplished and now it is up to the players, coaches, and front office to continue on to victory. Thank you again, your job is done. God Bless you and your family.

With Respect,

Brett Tyler

[Santheb]

LOL. Mort said that Pete Carroll is a canidate for the HC position on Mike & Mike.

I definetely dont see that happening.

When they were discussing Pete Carroll talking to the Falcons on SC, Clayton kept mentioning either Atlanta or Washington, and how while Atlanta will take a few years to rebuild, Washington can win now and that might draw Carroll in.

Hopefully, Danny learned his lesson with college coaches. I know Carroll coached in the NFL, but it's not like he was real successful or anything. Please don't let this happen Danny :(

[joethefan]

Coach Gibbs:

Thanks for the Wins against the Cowboys esp during my first trip to Dallas in 2005. That was the best trip I ever had. Thanks for bringing in Sean Taylor and assisiting him in getting to heaven. Thanks for your never changing stand for Christ! It has allowed me to view you in a whole new light.

As I get closer to Chirst I pray that we all will soon gain a better relationship with him.

Thank you And may GOD bless you and your family.
To GOD be the glory for things he has done.