tail of two halves.

[jsarno]

Yet again we played poorly for one half, but the one difference I saw in this game vs the Jets game was that all around we were pretty fundamentally sound.
Once Ramsey woke up and threw well, and Spurrier opened up the offense / stretched the field, all three sides of the ball (offense defense, special teams) played well. A very convincing win, and put to rest my fears from last week.

How can the skins play better to ensure a full game of playing well, not just one half?

[Green-Is-Good]

They played well for more than a half. 3 quarters. I think that Ramsey needs time to find his groove.

[rskinsfan10]

I kinda agree with you jsarno. However, I don't think that the entire first half was played poorly. Don't forget that we closed the gap and only went into the half down by a TD.

[CarMike]

Yep, our OL played poorly for one quarter, the first. The rest of the game we controlled the game.

[Green-Is-Good]

Michael Vick was not playing this well in week 2 last year, which was also his first season as a starter. Also, Ramsey only needed two games to throw for 300+ yards in a game. Vick reached that milestone in week 16 AGAINST THE LIONS.

[AGibbsGirl]

I take full responsibility for the first half....My Redskin flag was not up. http://fool.exler.ru/sm/umn.gif

I put it up at half time and you can see clearly how well we did the second half...

http://fool.exler.ru/sm/leb.gif

[jsarno]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
I kinda agree with you jsarno. However, I don't think that the entire first half was played poorly. Don't forget that we closed the gap and only went into the half down by a TD.

We did thanks to the d. Our D played well all game as it did in the Jets game...so maybe it should be tail of two halves for the offense.
Our offense did not play that well in the second, but it was coming around and they used that momentum to kick ass in the 3rd and 4th.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

God, AGG, don't scare us like that. ;)

[jsarno]

About one minute before the Ohalete int, my wife realized that our dog was in bed in the first game vs the jets, so she put her away and BOOM, we started our comeback. (so maybe it was a tag team effort AGG)

[Green-Is-Good]

Yeah, if it were not for you two, who knows what would have happened to our team?

[AGibbsGirl]

Originally posted by jsarno
About one minute before the Ohalete int, my wife realized that our dog was in bed in the first game vs the jets, so she put her away and BOOM, we started our comeback. (so maybe it was a tag team effort AGG)



LOL! http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/animal/527.gif

We coulda cost the SKins the game with our carelessness

[truant]

Right after the second Ramsey fumble I bought food from T-bell for everyone at my house. I found my redskins hat in my trunk and when i got home it was 17-14.

Needless to say i was in the other room for the rest of the game as i knew not to mess with the karma...

[Green-Is-Good]

I don't think that's exactly karma:D

[jsarno]

Originally posted by AGibbsGirl
LOL! http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/animal/527.gif

We coulda cost the SKins the game with our carelessness

To be honest though...Iwas EXACTLY THE SAME preparation from last week. Same clothes, same sittng area...same cool aid and lunch!!! (no kidding)
(the ONLY thing I did different was watch the FOX pregame instead of ESPN...I can't watch Irvin anymore!)

Good job AGG!

[hail2skins]

No rant this time jsarno? Ramsey was blind-sided twice this week and you haven't mentioned it. Sorry, I could resist bringing it up.

You're right, Spurrier opened it up in the 2nd half but I believe he went too conservative in the 4th. He adjusted very nicely to what the Falcons were doing. I predicted we'd see that wide receiver screen alot, I just thought we'd see it alot sooner.

We still have alot to work on but it's great to be 2-0 and it only builds confidence.

[Odyn]

i was sailing and has to wait for text msg's from my cell

[jsarno]

Originally posted by hail2skins
No rant this time jsarno? Ramsey was blind-sided twice this week and you haven't mentioned it. Sorry, I could resist bringing it up.

two fumbles did not go unnoticed...trust me. BOTH were his fault since they were BOTH timing throws that he muffed. But that stuff happens, the key is overcoming them and he did.

You're right, Spurrier opened it up in the 2nd half but I believe he went too conservative in the 4th.

He wasn't conservative the entire 4th, it was when we were up and he wanted to manage the clock...he wasvery intellegent doing so!!! That is the new spurrier. He understands what is involved with a 2nd year QB that could screw up any moment and throw an int. I TOTALLY agree with the decision to go conservative with about 7 minutes left.
I said last week that Spurrier did poor coaching by not opening up the offense...he did this week and the points poored in! It's not rocket science, you can't play the entire game only throwing the ball at max 15-20 yards. The defense shortens up and it ultimately loses you the game. (note the eagles at 0-2) I applaud Spurrier for his caoching this week. It's coaching we haven't seen in his tenure.

He adjusted very nicely to what the Falcons were doing. I predicted we'd see that wide receiver screen alot, I just thought we'd see it alot sooner.

YUP

We still have alot to work on but it's great to be 2-0 and it only builds confidence.

Of course we do, but I can see a super bowl team in this team now, it was not there lastweek.

[Patrick]

DAMN - Come to think of it, I did have my frist BEER until it was 17-0. ..... Sorry!

[jsarno]

Originally posted by Patrick
DAMN - Come to think of it, I did have my frist BEER until it was 17-0. ..... Sorry!

so you were trying to have us lose???? What's the deal??? NEXT WEEK YOU WILL DRINK RIGHT AWAY!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by jsarno
two fumbles did not go unnoticed...trust me. BOTH were his fault since they were BOTH timing throws that he muffed. But that stuff happens, the key is overcoming them and he did.

Unbelievable... just unbelievable.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Unbelievable... just unbelievable.

I know...but at least he got a compliment from me in that same comment!

I'm just not a blind LOVER of Ramsey like some here are. He showed me a thing or two in the second half, but looked like the worst QB in the league in the first half. (this is similar to the Jets game) I have never seen such hot and cold streaks. He appears to have the talent, but where is the consistancy? How bout a 3 quarter doiminance and a 1 quarter blowing fest?
Do you think he's just getting too excited or something? I can't figure out why he goes ARTIC COLD, this is not a common thing amongst rookies or second year players. It makes me wonder if it's all mental. No one can play as well as he did in those halfs and it be lack of talent. He's got the talent. Just can't figure out his cold streaks.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i swear, i wasnt even worried. it not like they were killing us. the only thing i didnt like was how the o line wasnt protecting ramsey. and the defense we seriously falling for the play action. i saw guys open and i knew that if the line tighten up, we would light up the GA dome. i was questioning spurriers play calling at first. we were passing at our own 10 yard line. i kept yelling RUN, SPURRIER RUN! he finally listened and thats when we got on a roll. its a shame trung didnt get 100 yard. it woulda been nice to have a 350 yard passer and 100 yd rusher.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by LadyNRedskinsfan
i kept yelling RUN, SPURRIER RUN! he finally listened and thats when we got on a roll.

It's a GOOD thing we had you talking to him through the TV. :D

[Spence]

Originally posted by jsarno
It's a GOOD thing we had you talking to him through the TV. :D She was there in person, dude.

[skinswin'emALL]

Originally posted by jsarno
I know...but at least he got a compliment from me in that same comment!

I'm just not a blind LOVER of Ramsey like some here are. He showed me a thing or two in the second half, but looked like the worst QB in the league in the first half. (this is similar to the Jets game) I have never seen such hot and cold streaks. He appears to have the talent, but where is the consistancy? How bout a 3 quarter doiminance and a 1 quarter blowing fest?
Do you think he's just getting too excited or something? I can't figure out why he goes ARTIC COLD, this is not a common thing amongst rookies or second year players. It makes me wonder if it's all mental. No one can play as well as he did in those halfs and it be lack of talent. He's got the talent. Just can't figure out his cold streaks.

Your not alone in not being a BLIND lover of Ramsey. I know for a fact that the following Experts agree with you:

Dr. Z
Peter King
Len Pastabelly
Eric Allen
Mark Slereth (who cares how he spells it)
everyone at PFW

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Blind lover? I'm not. I'll criticize when it's necessary, like I did last year quite a bit. But there's no way you can tell me that a rusher blowing by the left side of our line and subsequent running backs like they aren't even there and completely blindsiding Ramsey is his fault. It's not. That happens to the best of veterans. That happens to Brett Favre, Jeff Garcia, Steve McNair, and Rich Gannon. Why? Because that clock in their heads is set to go off at 3-4 seconds, not 2. And none have eyes in the back of their head. Pushing Ramsey to watch the rush the whole time will turn him into Rob Johnson, who doesn't get rid of the ball in time because he's hardly ever looking downfield.

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by jsarno
I know...but at least he got a compliment from me in that same comment!

I'm just not a blind LOVER of Ramsey like some here are. He showed me a thing or two in the second half, but looked like the worst QB in the league in the first half. (this is similar to the Jets game) I have never seen such hot and cold streaks. He appears to have the talent, but where is the consistancy? How bout a 3 quarter doiminance and a 1 quarter blowing fest?
Do you think he's just getting too excited or something? I can't figure out why he goes ARTIC COLD, this is not a common thing amongst rookies or second year players. It makes me wonder if it's all mental. No one can play as well as he did in those halfs and it be lack of talent. He's got the talent. Just can't figure out his cold streaks.

Let's no forget that Ramsey is still a rookie in the league having only started 7 games. Of course he's going to be hot at times and cold at times and alot of us here stated we would live with that. I'm one of them. Yes, there are times when the QB can be responsible for being sack but Ramsey can't be blamed for an olineman or RB missing their block coming from his blind side. Could you? You mentioned you played QB I believe and your coach taught you that you were responsible for your fumbles. Were there any fumbles attributed to you that you questioned? Please be honest.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by hail2skins
Were there any fumbles attributed to you that you questioned? Please be honest.

OF COURSE THERE WERE.
In fact the o-linemen even apologized for it. But it made me better at looking around me, and aware of my situation. And if I am not throwing the ball to protect it with my life. I have (still to this day) the longest run in Harding U history, 83 yards. I see Ramsey holding it out there, and once he realizes he's not going to throw...PROTECT IT. A turnover is the worst thing you can do as an offensive player.
I will agree there is just about nothng that can be done while the QB's arm is in motion. Those are acceptable TO's as far as the QB is concerned. But let's not sit back there and assume no one is coming after you. If the timing pattern is broke...tuck the ball and try to create something OUTSIDE of the pocket. Don't sit there.

[hail2skins]

Glad to hear about the Harding U history. Well, you'll have to speak with Spurrier about how Ramsey holds the ball. He coaches him to get it up close to throwing position as soon as he comes from under center. That's why you'll see Ramsey snap the ball there fast. It's good your offensive linemen apologized to you and I'm sure our oline apologizes to Ramsey as well.

When you say "looking around me" is that after you've made the read of your receivers because it seems that a QB is supposed to keep their eyes downfield. I do agree that Ramsey has to get a better read of when defenses will blitz but that also has to be accounted for in the play that's called. That hot receiver so to speak.

[jsarno]

Originally posted by hail2skins
Glad to hear about the Harding U history. Well, you'll have to speak with Spurrier about how Ramsey holds the ball. He coaches him to get it up close to throwing position as soon as he comes from under center. That's why you'll see Ramsey snap the ball there fast. It's good your offensive linemen apologized to you and I'm sure our oline apologizes to Ramsey as well.

When you say "looking around me" is that after you've made the read of your receivers because it seems that a QB is supposed to keep their eyes downfield. I do agree that Ramsey has to get a better read of when defenses will blitz but that also has to be accounted for in the play that's called. That hot receiver so to speak.

On a timing route that busts up, then I looked around. But we also ran a similar sytem to the west coast offense. I had 3 reads and I chose which one to throw to. I had to make a quick decision on each, then if there is nothing tuck it and run for safer ground, where I would throw on the run or tuck and run.
It basically comes down to me being annoyed as hell to see his arm out there what seems to be 24/7. It's one thing to have it up (the safest place while passing) WITH TWO HANDS on the ball. It's another to see it hanging to the side. Like I said, if he's in his passing motion..there is nothing that can be done about that. But right now, he's on pace to shatter the all time fumble record set by Culpepper last year. Carr is always getting hit...sacked a record amount of times even...why doesn't he have the fumbling record? Because he understands the importance of holding on to the ball. Hopefuly this is just a phase.

[skinswin'emALL]

I must watching a different team. The fumbles I've seen have come from when he in the act of throwing and/or his blind side in LESS THAN 3 SEC. I don't see kim hold it like Warner does (a loaf of bread). SS demands 2 hands and he does this immediatley. I think the Fumbles have been the line's/coach's fault. They MUST give him at least 3.5 sec to throw w/o worrying if he's going to get blindsided. After 3.5 sec, THEN it's on Ramsey from there PERIOD. Just when has he dad more time than that???? (please, please someone answer this ?)

The ability to stand tall and have faith in your team mates to made plays is what seperates a Pro Bowl caliber QB from a lousy back up (Rob Johnson) who can't keep his eyes off the rush (to someone who doesn't make to an NFL QB at all;)) This ability will pay off even more when we learn who to pass protect.

I can't believe I just posted here. Brickwall and all........

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I still don't know what you're talking about, Jsarno. I watched Ramsey very carefully after seeing Kurt Warner's complete and utter lack of fundamentals last week, and Ramsey never misheld the ball. As for breaking up a timign route, well, if he's reading three routes at one second each, and gets hit after only two... you do the math. He doesn't know whether he's gonna throw or not yet. And you can't blame him for taking three seconds to read his recievers. That's more than acceptable.

[camasterton]

I thought this was a Cat/Dog thread!

[jsarno]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
I still don't know what you're talking about, Jsarno. I watched Ramsey very carefully after seeing Kurt Warner's complete and utter lack of fundamentals last week, and Ramsey never misheld the ball. As for breaking up a timign route, well, if he's reading three routes at one second each, and gets hit after only two... you do the math. He doesn't know whether he's gonna throw or not yet. And you can't blame him for taking three seconds to read his recievers. That's more than acceptable.


He has 4 fumbles...are you guys trying to tell me that ALL 4 have been in less than 3 seconds, and all 4 have been in throwing motion?
I know you guys love ramsey, but come on.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Throwing motion? What does that have to do with anything? No matter how well you hold the ball, getting blindsided by a 280-pound lineman will tend to knock it loose on occasion. Obviously he wasn't in throwing motion, otherwise it would be an incomplete pass. And, yes, I believe all were under 3 seconds.

Actually, come to think of it, one of his fumbles was while he was in throwing motion, when the referee decided that the Tuck Rule applied for the Patriots, but not for Ramsey. I never understood that, and neither did the commentators. They even brought up a section of the rule book to show that he was wrong.

[dj_stouty]

No blind love here for Ramsey...Mine is JUSTIFIED

I like him simply because he has won 4 games in a row for my team...and because he outperformed the other rookie QBs last year. (and this year so far)

Ramsey has much better pocket pressence than you give him credit for, JSarno. AND believe it or not...most of those fumbles came while he was preparing to throw directly after the snap to his primary receiver. You DO realize that offensive linemen (especially Left Tackles) have a responsibility as well, correct?

And by the way...when you are taught to "look over your shoulder" you are told to do so sparingly. In fact, most QBs that constantsly look over their shoulders NEVER make complete passes because they are so damn paranoid.

[skinswin'emALL]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
No blind love here for Ramsey...Mine is JUSTIFIED

I like him simply because he has won 4 games in a row for my team...and because he outperformed the other rookie QBs last year. (and this year so far)

Ramsey has much better pocket pressence than you give him credit for, JSarno. AND believe it or not...most of those fumbles came while he was preparing to throw directly after the snap to his primary receiver. You DO realize that offensive linemen (especially Left Tackles) have a responsibility as well, correct?

And by the way...when you are taught to "look over your shoulder" you are told to do so sparingly. In fact, most QBs that constantsly look over their shoulders NEVER make complete passes because they are so damn paranoid.

I like your points dj. I agree completely, but we are all beating our heads against a brick wall, I'm telling ya...

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[jsarno]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
No blind love here for Ramsey...Mine is JUSTIFIED

I like him simply because he has won 4 games in a row for my team...and because he outperformed the other rookie QBs last year. (and this year so far)

Ramsey has much better pocket pressence than you give him credit for, JSarno. AND believe it or not...most of those fumbles came while he was preparing to throw directly after the snap to his primary receiver. You DO realize that offensive linemen (especially Left Tackles) have a responsibility as well, correct?

And by the way...when you are taught to "look over your shoulder" you are told to do so sparingly. In fact, most QBs that constantsly look over their shoulders NEVER make complete passes because they are so damn paranoid.

Good point. It would be tough to be a good QB always worried about getting hit.
You are guys are mistaking me for implying that Ramsey sucks...he doesn't. My problem is fumbles. And no matter how ard you try to say the blame is somewhere else, it ultimately falls out of ramsey's hand each and every time.
There were two fumbles that the timing routes were blown and ramsey held the ball out and looked around like no one was coming after him. It is HIS responsibility to protect the ball.

I will FULLY agree that if a DE blows across the line and our Tackles doesn't give the QB time to throw, and the DE get's the QBfrom the blind side, yes, that is the mainly the Tackles responsibilty.