Vinny promoted

[cal_junior]

kill me now:

VINNY CERRATO NAMED EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT

ASHBURN, VA - The Washington Redskins today named Vinny Cerrato to the new position of Executive Vice President/Football Operations. He will assume responsibility for all aspects of the team's football organization - including personnel, the team roster, scouting and salary cap management.


"The appointment formalizes the structure the team has operated under in recent years, and is recognition of the valuable role Vinny has played this season, especially during a time of terrible tragedy," said team Owner Daniel M. Snyder. "During the past season we were hit with an unprecedented number of injuries, and Vinny consistently identified players who stepped in and stepped up to help take us to the playoffs."

Joe Gibbs, who recently retired after four years as Head Coach and Team President added, "Vinny worked closely with me on all personnel matters. This is a well-deserved acknowledgement of that."

"Today's Washington Redskins roster is a testament to Vinny and the personnel department being an integral part of our team structure in identifying players, whether acquired in free agency, the draft or on sometimes very short notice as we made our way through the season," Gibbs said.


Cerrato currently is playing a central role in the search for Gibbs' replacement, as he did four years ago when the Head Coach position last was open.


"The team's executive ranks are solid with Vinny at the head of the football operation and Chief Operating Officer Mitch Gershman leading the Redskins' other important business," Snyder said. "Their close working relationship ensures strong leadership."


Cerrato is entering his 18 th season in the NFL and 9 th season with the Redskins. Before coming to Washington, he spent nine seasons, and earned his first Super Bowl ring, with the San Francisco 49ers, where he served as Director of College Scouting and Director of Player Personnel.


Before joining the NFL, he worked with Lou Holtz at Notre Dame as football recruiting coordinator, winning a national championship ring. He began his career as a graduate assistant for the Minnesota Golden Gophers before being promoted to recruiting coordinator.


Cerrato is a 1982 graduate of Iowa State, where he lettered at quarterback and wide receiver all four years. He was born in Flushing, NY, and grew up in Albert Lea, MN, where he played football, hockey and ran track. Cerrato and his wife Rebecca have two sons, Vincent John and Charles.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34047

[akhhorus]

The Romans have a saying:
"If you want to get rid of someone, promote them."

I hope this is true here lol

[GWBlitzST]

What exactly was his job before this?

[tbfoster1]

The Skins are Kings of making up titles...lol

[colkurtz]

What's been his record as the pseudo - VP of all things football for the Redskins?

[CNYSkinFan]

And the fifth horseman of the apocalypse reveals himself

[cal_junior]

What exactly was his job before this?

Is Danny-fellator an official title?

[Red Bear]

VP of Player Personnel was his previous title i believe.

and i know many of you are hard on Cerrato. but you have to give him credit where its due, he has a lot to do with the young guys weve brung in that stepped up this past season outta nowhere...

[LATrueRedskin]

First order of business: destroying the Washington Redskins

[bergiemoore]

Perhaps hearing people say, "Fire Vinny Cerrato" had the same effect as telling him to "Never put salt in your eye (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_83MEuLoz9Y)".

Stupid move.

[redskin_rich]

Snyder has been drinking the Thetan juice with Tom Cruise and now he has lost his friggen mind.

[LATrueRedskin]

Second order of business: Let lil' Snyder win at raquetball

[PennSkinsFan]

Sickening

[Farmer Ted]

Maybe he'll pull an Isaiah and name himself head coach, too.

[RicFlairOne]

This today and Fassel named head coach tomorrow. Going to the ABC store after work.

Get ready for several 4-12 seasons. All of this proves that Snyder just wants to make $$$$$ because this team sure isn't going to win any Super Bowls. Embarrassing !!!

[dj_stouty]

He will assume responsibility for all aspects of the team's football organization - including personnel, the team roster, scouting and salary cap management.


Well....it appears we finally got our GM. The above reads like a GM job description.

This is freaking ridiculous. Next line of business will be the hiring of Jim Fassel...the firing of Al Saunders. If that happens, I'll pop my top.

It really hurts to be a Redskins fan right now. I can feel the pain in my gut.

*CBS* x 1,000,000

[PennSkinsFan]

Keino --- can you pass me that sharp pencil?

[dj_stouty]

Keino --- can you pass me that sharp pencil?

Toss me one too, please.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Assistant regional manager or assistant to the regional manager-what's the difference?

[Redskinmayhem]

HO-LY CRAP.

Well, we'd better prepare for an announcement tomorrow or so.

Incidentally, does anyone else think the name "CERRATO" sounds like the weasley, backstabbing, stooly-type bad guy in all mafia movies?

[RedskinsDave]

Unbelievable. We asked for a GM and we got one. Be careful what we wish for.

[hessy36]

The Dark Cloud is back... and it looks like it will be sticking around for awhile. Before we know it TO will be wearing a Redskin's jersey... :bangdesk:

[Carmelo]

Well....it appears we finally got our GM. The above reads like a GM job description.

This is freaking ridiculous. Next line of business will be the hiring of Jim Fassel...the firing of Al Saunders. If that happens, I'll pop my top.

It really hurts to be a Redskins fan right now. I can feel the pain in my gut.

*CBS* x 1,000,000
You summed up exactly how I feel. Just painful. If those things you mentioned happen, I won't even know what to do with myself.

[LATrueRedskin]

Unbelievable. We asked for a GM and we got one. Be careful what we wish for.

That's what I first thought. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[nicefellow31]

Assistant regional manager or assistant to the regional manager-what's the difference?

Ha Ha. A quote from The Office? I think old Vinny has morphed into a modern day Rasputin or Svengalli. He always gets his way and you cannot "kill him." His only weakness is Schottenheimer.

[PennSkinsFan]

Do owners in the NFL have to take mandatory drug tests?

[LATrueRedskin]

Ha Ha. A quote from The Office? I think old Vinny has morphed into a modern day Rasputin or Svengalli. He always gets his way and you cannot "kill him." His only weakness is Schottenheimer.

Who is a better candidate than these two jokers Cerrato is about to hire.

[dj_stouty]

Vinny is our GM. I want to barf, just to get rid of the churning pain in my stomach.

[RedskinsDave]

Do owners in the NFL have to take mandatory drug tests?

Obviously not ones under 5'7". Child labor laws I guess.

[Farmer Ted]

Vinny is our GM. I want to barf, just to get rid of the churning pain in my stomach.

Feel free to barf in my mouth. I'd like to barf again, but I'm all out.

[akhhorus]

Do owners in the NFL have to take mandatory drug tests?

Snyder on drugs might improve things lmao.

[hogs86]

The Romans have a saying:
"If you want to get rid of someone, promote them."

I hope this is true here lol

Watch out Cesar, watch out Cesar"
[I said hail, I said hail!
I said Hail, I said Hail!
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail ]
[All hail Cesar, hail, hail!
All hail Cesar, hail, hail!
All hail Cesar, hail, hail!
All hail Cesar, hail, hail!
You need eyes in the back of your head boy,
or you're dead.]

[SkinsfaninNJ]

At least we got the continuity many were hoping for.

[Keino]

Keino --- can you pass me that sharp pencil?

I can't see it........

[dj_stouty]

At least we got the continuity many were hoping for.

LOL.

Offseason Checklist
Need a GM. *check*
Need continuity. *check*

I'm scared to see what's coming next.

[nicefellow31]

Snyder answers the fan's call for a GM: Vinny Cerrato
Snyder answers the fan's call for a head coach: Vinny Cerrato
Snyder answers the fan's call for a pass rushing DE: Vinny Cerrato
Snyder answers the fan's call for a larger jumbotron: Vinny Cerrato(vision)

When will it end?

[akhhorus]

*takes a long swig from my flask of bourbon* anyone else need it? lol

[Battle Cat]

Watch out Cesar, watch out Cesar"
[I said hail, I said hail!
I said Hail, I said Hail!
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail
Hail ]
[All hail Cesar, hail, hail!
All hail Cesar, hail, hail!
All hail Cesar, hail, hail!
All hail Cesar, hail, hail!
You need eyes in the back of your head boy,
or you're dead.]
e tu "Danny"?

[dj_stouty]

*takes a long swig from my flask of bourbon* anyone else need it? lol

I could use some. Just put some Woodford in an IV bag and stick the needle in my jugular.

[akhhorus]

I could use some. Just put some Woodford in an IV bag and stick the needle in my jugular.

Take the rest. I'm playing Heroin Hero for awhile.

[redskin_rich]

Alright... So which one of you welchers didn't pay off the playoff gods this time?

[nicefellow31]

*takes a long swig from my flask of bourbon* anyone else need it? lol

Pass it my way please.

[Battle Cat]

Ha Ha. A quote from The Office? I think old Vinny has morphed into a modern day Rasputin or Svengalli. He always gets his way and you cannot "kill him." His only weakness is Schottenheimer.
A NFL version of Dick Cheney.

[RedskinsDave]

Well we know now that, like I said all along, Snyder didn't learn anything from Gibbs and actually influenced him more than the other way around.

[RoanokeSkin]

So Hells top minion just became the Devil. Great! Wonderful time to be a Skins fan.:confused:

[The Skinsinator]

Well we know now that, like I said all along, Snyder didn't learn anything from Gibbs and actually influenced him more than the other way around.That is so true that it hurts. Why he is so infatuated with Cerrato? For the love of all that is good can anyone provide a reasonable response. We are so cursed with him as an owner. Kinda funny how Spence hasn't posted about this (biggest anti Snyder.)

[Battle Cat]

Well we know now that, like I said all along, Snyder didn't learn anything from Gibbs and actually influenced him more than the other way around.
Seems that way now we can expect the usual 1st, 2nd and a future draft pick for Micheal Strahan type move.

[dj_stouty]

And to think...a good number of you wanted Joe fired or retired not too long ago. I'll take the Joe Gibbs '07 version of the Redskin into '08 over the current situation every time. Its days like this where I miss Coach Gibbs the most.

At least Joe Gibbs had some front office power in '07. His advisory role right now is a fluff-title. Now that he is no longer a staple at Redskins Park, I fully expect Vinny and Dan to turn it into a 3-ring circus; and I'm not talking about the franchise's 3 super bowl rings, either.

[hogskins]

Snyder on drugs might improve things lmao.

Maybe an overdose of laxatives to "purge" him ...

[The Skinsinator]

What is his deal? Is his ego too high to get a competent general manager? What makes him really think that just cause he's absolutely loaded/own the team that he can make decent decisions with personnel etc? Man sometimes his true intentions I'll never understand or even be aware of. Jurrah got lucky with the girls and Jimmy Johnson. He wasn't a playoff game since 1996. And Dannyboy hasn't come close to sniffing out that Super Bowl we initially heard so much about. Consistent successful nfl teams need a talented gm.

[JasonCampbell]

Personally, I think this is a good thing. Vinny wasn't going to go away in his previous position. There was not enough accountability. No matter who the Redskins signed or drafted, Snyder, Gibbs, and Cerrato could just say it would a group decision and no one man would be held accountable.

Now, if Vinny craps the bed, we have the man that can be fired...now if Snyder can fire Vinny, that is an entirely different topic.

Oh yeah, I also heard B-Mitch say on the John Thompson show that he's heard rumors that Vinny and GW didn't get along and that Vinny and Fassel have a good history. So yeah, not only is Vinny making the roster moves, but also the head coaching decision :(

[akhhorus]

The lesson here folks is that you can suck at your job, and still get promoted.

[Battle Cat]

This idiot has how many draft picks that he chose still on this team from before Gibbs got here? C. Samuels, J. Jansen, L Betts. We are in trouble. We need a strong type of coach. I wanted a young energetic guy but now I am totally the opposite. We need someone that can put these guys in check and keep them from ruining what Gibbs 2.0 helped build. Fassell or Williams neither one can do this. It will take a guy with Super Bowl clout or something.

[RedskinsDave]

Chief Zee apparently got the news:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y166/KKyrie/resizedchiefzee.jpg

[JasonCampbell]

LOL @ RedskinDave :)

[Farmer Ted]

This idiot has how many draft picks that he chose still on this team from before Gibbs got here? C. Samuels, J. Jansen, L Betts.

Um, that's just an argument to trade away all of our future draft picks.

[smoak]

Can it get any worse? Honestly.

[JsMaViSd]

The lesson here folks is that you can suck at your job, and still get promoted.

lmao
Chief Zee apparently got the news:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y166/KKyrie/resizedchiefzee.jpg

lmao

god can this offseason get any worse...

[SpicyMcHaggis]

I'm gonna need that rope IMMEDIATELY.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

:banghead:

[Battle Cat]

Um, that's just an argument to trade away all of our future draft picks.
That was the m.o. of this front office before Gibbs got here,

[akhhorus]

Can it get any worse? Honestly.

Our next head coach:

http://www.screenhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/tom-cruise.jpg

[JsMaViSd]

oh please Akh dont joke like that

this franchise is turning into a show on comedy central

[dj_stouty]

I think its safe to say Gregg isn't getting the job. This promotion was timed perfectly in the middle of their head coaching search, and it will be a way for Vinny to validate their decision to go with Fassel and out GW. General Managers hire head coaches, and Vinny is one even if his job title says differently. The function is IDENTICAL.

So...it appears Jim will be our HC and OC...Saunders will be told to hit the road...Gregg will be fired or outright quit...and a new DC will be hired. I'm guessing Danny will go back to Schwartz or some other hotshot DC and dangle a lot of money to get him to make a lateral move to the Skins.

It doesn't even matter anymore, since from top to bottom, we are one of the most disfunctional franchises in the NFL, if not the entire sports world. Who would think the Skins would be the most valuable franchise in all of sports, but also the most disfunctional?!?!

[smoak]

I'm gonna need that rope IMMEDIATELY.

Get in line. I'm next.

[akhhorus]

oh please Akh dont joke like that

this franchise is turning into a show on comedy central

The Head coach is checking in at QB:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/all_the_right_moves/tom_cruise/moves.jpg

I think its safe to say Gregg isn't getting the job. This promotion was timed perfectly in the middle of their head coaching search, and it will be a way for Vinny to validate their decision to go with Fassel and out GW. General Managers hire head coaches, and Vinny is one even if his job title says differently. The function is IDENTICAL.

So...it appears Jim will be our HC and OC...Saunders will be told to hit the road...Gregg will be fired or outright quit...and a new DC will be hired. I'm guessing Danny will go back to Schwartz or some other hotshot DC and dangle a lot of money to get him to make a lateral move to the Skins.

It doesn't even matter anymore, since from top to bottom, we are one of the most disfunctional franchises in the NFL, if not the entire sports world. Who would think the Skins would be the most valuable franchise in all of sports, but also the most disfunctional?!?!

I think Fassel won't be our OC. He'll hire someone from a staff he knows(New Orleans, etc). I think Williams could be offered the DC spot also.

[IH Brave]

Now that the circus is back in DC which dumb move will be made first. I say Clinton Portis, Santana Moss and our 1st round draft pick will get traded to Cincinnati for Chad Johnson.:mad:

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I think its safe to say Gregg isn't getting the job. This promotion was timed perfectly in the middle of their head coaching search, and it will be a way for Vinny to validate their decision to go with Fassel and out GW. General Managers hire head coaches, and Vinny is one even if his job title says differently. The function is IDENTICAL.

So...it appears Jim will be our HC and OC...Saunders will be told to hit the road...Gregg will be fired or outright quit...and a new DC will be hired. I'm guessing Danny will go back to Schwartz or some other hotshot DC and dangle a lot of money to get him to make a lateral move to the Skins.

It doesn't even matter anymore, since from top to bottom, we are one of the most disfunctional franchises in the NFL, if not the entire sports world. Who would think the Skins would be the most valuable franchise in all of sports, but also the most disfunctional?!?!

Everything you say is true, but what if this is the one time that conventional wisdom doesn't win out. What if on the first Sunday of February next year Snyder, Cerrato and Fassel are on that podium accpeting an award from James Brown or Bob Costas.

Hope is all I have left.

[PennSkinsFan]

Get in line. I'm next.

To save scarce resources we can make the noose big enough to fit several of us at one time. That way no one has to stick around longer.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

The Head coach is checking in at QB:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/all_the_right_moves/tom_cruise/moves.jpg



I think Fassel won't be our OC. He'll hire someone from a staff he knows(New Orleans, etc). I think Williams could be offered the DC spot also.

Would GW take it? Would you? I think it is possible but not probable.

[Battle Cat]

Our next head coach:

http://www.screenhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/tom-cruise.jpg
Better him than the "Old Ball Coach". Maybe he could use his Scientology Powers to morph P. Daniels into a Pass rushing defensive end.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Seriously, can anyone think of a reasonable explanation for this?

[redskin_rich]

I think its safe to say Gregg isn't getting the job. This promotion was timed perfectly in the middle of their head coaching search, and it will be a way for Vinny to validate their decision to go with Fassel and out GW. General Managers hire head coaches, and Vinny is one even if his job title says differently. The function is IDENTICAL.

So...it appears Jim will be our HC and OC...Saunders will be told to hit the road...Gregg will be fired or outright quit...and a new DC will be hired. I'm guessing Danny will go back to Schwartz or some other hotshot DC and dangle a lot of money to get him to make a lateral move to the Skins.

It doesn't even matter anymore, since from top to bottom, we are one of the most disfunctional franchises in the NFL, if not the entire sports world. Who would think the Skins would be the most valuable franchise in all of sports, but also the most disfunctional?!?!Wouldn't we have to compensate a team for hiring away an assistant in a lateral move?
That sounds like something these morons would do too.

[JasonCampbell]

I can't see GW sticking around after a few years ago being anointed the next HC, getting four interviews, and being passed over for Jim Friggin' Fassel.

[akhhorus]

Would GW take it? Would you? I think it is possible but not probable.

I could see him staying. Whether Fassel will keep him around or not is another thing.

Seriously, can anyone think of a reasonable explanation for this?

Ummmmm.....errrrrr.....*scratches head*....no.

[Battle Cat]

Seriously, can anyone think of a reasonable explanation for this?
Danny and Vinny saw the out pouring of admiration that J. Gibbs got for holding this team together and making the playoffs 2 outta the last 3 years and they want it.

[PennSkinsFan]

I can't see GW sticking around after a few years ago being anointed the next HC, getting four interviews, and being passed over for Jim Friggin' Fassel.

Nope. I don't either. There are going to be some pretty bitter feelings.

[Battle Cat]

I can't see GW sticking around after a few years ago being anointed the next HC, getting four interviews, and being passed over for Jim Friggin' Fassel.
No way G. Williams stays in my opinioin. You can't have a new head coach and then a guy on the staff that most players wanted. It would be a divided club house. It would make Ditka and Ryan look like a school girl fight.

[The Skinsinator]

No way G. Williams stays in my opinioin. You can't have a new head coach and then a guy on the staff that most players wanted. It would be a divided club house. It would make Ditka and Ryan look like a school girl fight.Where will he go then and he would get ANY decent offers anywhere? Besides screwing him out of this head coaching job Danny has done a super job of delaying any other possible opportunities for him. Will not want to see the look on his face if he's not named coach.

[Battle Cat]

Where will he go then and he would get ANY decent offers anywhere? Besides screwing him out of this head coaching job Danny has done a super job of delaying any other possible opportunities for him. Will not want to see the look on his face if he's not named coach.
He will sit out a year and go somewhere else. None of these guys are huritng for money. I would guess Williams has more pride than need for money.

[akhhorus]

Just to show how great Vinny is, in one of the most talented drafts of the last 10 years(2002), Vinny(and Snyder) passed on the following players in the picks from 18(the original first round slot) to 159(Andre Lott):
Javon Walker
Ed Reed
Charles Grant
Lito Sheppard
Kendall Simmons
DeShaun Foster
Andre Gurode
LeCharles Bentley
Clinton Portis
Akin Ayodele
Michael Lewis
Sheldon Brown
Antwaan Randle El
Deion Branch
Will Witherspoon
Brian Westbrook
Alex Brown
David Thornton
David Garrard
Randy McMichael
Jarvis Green
Larry Foote
Rocky Bernard
Aaron Kampman
Jermaine Phillips

And who did we draft in that pick set?
Patrick Ramsey
Ladell Betts
Rashad Bauman
Cliff Russell


Brava Vinny...brava.

[smoak]

Our next head coach:

http://www.screenhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/tom-cruise.jpg

I can't see it (filtered at work), but unless it is Norv Turner or Rich Kotite, it can NOT possibly be worse. These are very, very dark days... And I'm tired. I'm flipping sick and tired of this franchise being a bad joke.

[JsMaViSd]

ughh. akh dont remind us

[skinsfan36]

well this is terrible the only thing it changes though is not as much input(gibbs ahd a say) man this sucks and if we hire fassel if anyone wants any tickets to next year ill be selling atleast half if we hire fassel

[akhhorus]

I can't see it (filtered at work), but unless it is Norv Turner or Rich Kotite, it can NOT possibly be worse. These are very, very dark days... And I'm tired. I'm flipping sick and tired of this franchise being a bad joke.

Its Tom Cruise lol.

[dj_stouty]

And who did we draft in that pick set?
Patrick Ramsey
Ladell Betts
Rashad Bauman
Cliff Russell
.

Cliff Russell was the fastest man in NFL when it came to running routes at training camp. Too bad they don't have plaques for that honor. :)

[cal_junior]

the picks from 18(the original first round slot) to .

Refresh my memory. Why didn't we have the 18 slot?

[Keino]

Just to show how great Vinny is, in one of the most talented drafts of the last 10 years(2002), Vinny(and Snyder) passed on the following players in the picks from 18(the original first round slot) to 159(Andre Lott):
Javon Walker
Ed Reed
Charles Grant
Lito Sheppard
Kendall Simmons
DeShaun Foster
Andre Gurode
LeCharles Bentley
Clinton Portis
Akin Ayodele
Michael Lewis
Sheldon Brown
Antwaan Randle El
Deion Branch
Will Witherspoon
Brian Westbrook
Alex Brown
David Thornton
David Garrard
Randy McMichael
Jarvis Green
Larry Foote
Rocky Bernard
Aaron Kampman
Jermaine Phillips

And who did we draft in that pick set?
Patrick Ramsey
Ladell Betts
Rashad Bauman
Cliff Russell


Brava Vinny...brava.

I was just in the process of lying to myself. "Maybe it will be ok, lets see what happens......"

And then Bam, you post this, which is like a 5,000,000 mg dose of reality....and I didn't even have a prescription.

I think Im gonna be sick.

[openallnight]

kill me now:
http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34047

WTF???

Am I missing something?
Did vc show some football aptitude in a previous life or something?

[akhhorus]

Refresh my memory. Why didn't we have the 18 slot?

We dealt out of it twice down to 32.

I was just in the process of lying to myself. "Maybe it will be ok, lets see what happens......"

And then Bam, you post this, which is like a 5,000,000 mg dose of reality....and I didn't even have a prescription.

I think Im gonna be sick.

Yeah...me too. I'm not going to discuss 2003 now. It made me sick.

[SkinsGuru]

The lesson here folks is that you can suck at your job, and still get promoted.

Didn't that lesson get taught on Sienfeld???

[dj_stouty]

:smash:WTF???

Am I missing something?
Did vc show some football aptitude in a previous life or something?

Didn't Vinny win an NCAA Championship with Holtz and a Super Bowl ring wiht the 49ers? He probably didn't earn them, but I'm sure he reminds Danny of his past every day.

[firehawk157]

:smash:

Didn't Vinny win an NCAA Championship with Holtz and a Super Bowl ring wiht the 49ers? He probably didn't earn them, but I'm sure he reminds Danny of his past every day.
Then again, I would too. Anyways, looks like once Gibbs is gone, we're back to our old ways. Yippee.

[cal_junior]

I hope everybody noticed this line in the press release:

Before coming to Washington, he spent nine seasons, and earned his first Super Bowl ring, with the San Francisco 49ers

Ah, I see. So No. 2 is coming when, exactly?

[Battle Cat]

:smash:

Didn't Vinny win an NCAA Championship with Holtz and a Super Bowl ring wiht the 49ers? He probably didn't earn them, but I'm sure he reminds Danny of his past every day.
What has he done since the invention of the salary cap? I am sure with no salary cap like with the 49ers he and Danny could buy a Super Bowl with no problem but things are different now.

[skins74]

With the promotion I'm sure he will get a raise and therefore he can buy some new kneepads because I hear his existing ones are wore out.

[Da1QbnPaPi]

I remember several people saying can this season get any worse?

Well it just did.

[syphy]

I don't know what disgusts me more, the Vinny promotion or the Fassel bit.


Either way I am quite depressed. Who better to fill Gibbs' shoes than Jim Fassel? You gotta be kidding me.

[Meatsnack]

With this one stroke, Snyder undermines any respect he has earned for shutting up and staying in the background under Gibbs. The guy just has no idea. With all of the the bright young football minds out there, he chooses this clown to be our defacto GM? Oi, vey!


:doh::drunker:

[Battle Cat]

People make fun of Matt Millen but the second brunt of jokes should be Vinny C. If not for Gibbs coming back he would be right there with Matt. What general manager player personnel guy has as bad a record as Vinny and gets a prmotion. And not to mention ok we did make the playoffs 2 outta the last 3 years but this was with by far the biggest pay rolls in NFL history adding players and coaches. Talk about bang for your buck.

[Biggie]

#@!$@#%$#@%#@$%$#@^%^#%$@##@%$$#@%@#$

We're screwed. We're just... screwed. I don't know how much more of these ***CBS*** clowns I can take.

[openallnight]

:smash:

Didn't Vinny win an NCAA Championship with Holtz and a Super Bowl ring wiht the 49ers? He probably didn't earn them, but I'm sure he reminds Danny of his past every day.

He single handedly ruined a perennial national championship contender at Notre Dame then proceeded to ruin a perennial Superbowl contender in San Fran. Now vinny "the virus" has spread his football decimating disease throughout our organization. Without Gibbs here to stave off the infection expect a rapid degradation in our condition.

[akhhorus]

Some more depression, the 2003 NFL draft:

Vinny(and Snyder) gave up:
Pick #13 for The Toe, the players taken from that pick to the Taylor Jacobs pick include:
Ty Warren
Troy Polamalu
Jeff Faine
Willis McGahee
Larry Johnson
Dallas Clark
Nick Barnett
Nnamdi Asomugha
Eric Steinbach
Eugene Wilson
Peanut Tillman
Rashean Mathis

The next 25 picks after Taylor Jacobs include:
Kawika Mitchell
Chris Kelsay
Anquan Boldin
Osi Umenyiora
L.J. Smith
Dewayne White
Cory Redding
Lance Briggs
Jason Witten

[MONK_in_HOF]

Awful news. With Vinnie and Dan running this team I have no expectations for this team other than being subpar.

[MPCSkins]

Some more depression, the 2003 NFL draft:

Vinny(and Snyder) gave up:
Pick #13 for The Toe, the players taken from that pick to the Taylor Jacobs pick include:
Ty Warren
Troy Polamalu
Jeff Faine
Willis McGahee
Larry Johnson
Dallas Clark
Nick Barnett
Nnamdi Asomugha
Eric Steinbach
Eugene Wilson
Peanut Tillman
Rashean Mathis

The next 25 picks after Taylor Jacobs include:
Kawika Mitchell
Chris Kelsay
Anquan Boldin
Osi Umenyiora
L.J. Smith
Dewayne White
Cory Redding
Lance Briggs
Jason Witten

What? You didn't think Taylor Jacobs turned out to be a great pick for us? I thought everyone did. :smash:

[Battle Cat]

Take out J. Gibbs and look at the list of head coaches we have had since Danny and Co. have been here. Want to know why we can't make the playoffs without J. Gibbs as head coach that list will answer your question. I am done I can't even think about it anymore.

[openallnight]

Some more depression, the 2003 NFL draft:

Vinny(and Snyder) gave up:
Pick #13 for The Toe, the players taken from that pick to the Taylor Jacobs pick include:
Ty Warren
Troy Polamalu
Jeff Faine
Willis McGahee
Larry Johnson
Dallas Clark
Nick Barnett
Nnamdi Asomugha
Eric Steinbach
Eugene Wilson
Peanut Tillman
Rashean Mathis

The next 25 picks after Taylor Jacobs include:
Kawika Mitchell
Chris Kelsay
Anquan Boldin
Osi Umenyiora
L.J. Smith
Dewayne White
Cory Redding
Lance Briggs
Jason Witten

I remember the 'ole ball coach defending the pick of the florida receiver. He said something to the effect that Jacobs was their #1 rated receiver on the board and that he was the guy they were targetting HAD they kept the #13 pick.

[akhhorus]

2000(we hit big with Samuels for sure), but between pick 129(Mookie Moore to the Skins) and pick 199(Todd Husak for the Skins) included such players as...
Clark Haggans
Shane Lechler
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
Dante Hall
Marc Bulger
Neil Rackers
Jeno James
Adalius Thomas
Mike Anderson
Robaire Smith
Tom Brady

[openallnight]

Some more depression, the 2003 NFL draft:

Vinny(and Snyder) gave up:
Pick #13 for The Toe, the players taken from that pick to the Taylor Jacobs pick include:
Ty Warren
Troy Polamalu
Jeff Faine
Willis McGahee
Larry Johnson
Dallas Clark
Nick Barnett
Nnamdi Asomugha
Eric Steinbach
Eugene Wilson
Peanut Tillman
Rashean Mathis

The next 25 picks after Taylor Jacobs include:
Kawika Mitchell
Chris Kelsay
Anquan Boldin
Osi Umenyiora
L.J. Smith
Dewayne White
Cory Redding
Lance Briggs
Jason Witten

Don't feel too bad. I'm sure vinny will pick up at least 2 or 3 of these guys through trades or FA :(

[HAWGZHEAD]

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[skinfanjon]

Am I missing something here or hasn't Vinny been doing this all along? I'm sure Gibbs was part of the equation, but he's not a big personnel guy like a Parcells or Holmgren, plus he was consumed with coaching responsibilities. How much imput could he have had? And for the record, Gibbs is quoted in JLC's blog as fully supporting this move, calling it "well deserved". There is at least a possibility he actually believes that.

I'm not applauding Snyder for this move, but seriously, what else did we expect to happen? Vinny was the defacto GM along with Gibbs, Gibbs retires, Snyder reiterates during that very press conference that we would not be hiring a GM, so who does that leave? Like I said, I'm not happy about it, but I'm no more disheartened about our situation than I was an hour and a half ago.

Also, as AKH alluded to, at least he now has the title to go along with his job description. He will be accountable for his moves, and if it fails miserably (which it very well might), it will be impossible for Snyder to overlook Cerrato when spreading the blame around. Perhaps this is the only way Cerrato will ever get out of town.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Someone on this board was saying they would eat a bag of glass if we drafted a DB in the 1st round. Well, you can use that bag of glass now and save me some because I doubt anything will settle in my stomach for quite some time.
I can smell the stench from this up in Winnipeg.

[skinfan_44]

I'm new over here folks. Whats happenin!

This should come as no shocker to anyone. After Joe stepped down the writing was on the wall, Dan hasen't learned anything in four years working with his idol Joe Gibbs. Vinny is Dans little YES man.

I don't want to jump to any conclusions about how this might work out but IMO, I was hoping Dan would finally cut the cord from Vinny and let him go again. Last year there was quite a bit of talk about Vinny being dumped.

To Vinny's credit he has made some decent personnel moves in the last year via draft, FA. I guess only time will tell?

[silverspring]

i guess we shouldn't have been pushing for a gm.

[VegasSkinsFan]

I am still waiting for Ashton Kushner sp? to come out and tell us that we have been punk'd....unfortunately this wont happen. GO SKINS !!!!!

[fent]

Wouldn't we have to compensate a team for hiring away an assistant in a lateral move?
That sounds like something these morons would do too.

just make up some BS title like, i dunno, assistant HC for defense...problem solved.

[Skins7ny]

"ELIZABETH, LIZBETH, I'M COMING TO JOIN YOU, ELIZABETH!!!!!"

VP of Player Personnel was his previous title i believe.

and i know many of you are hard on Cerrato. but you have to give him credit where its due, he has a lot to do with the young guys weve brung in that stepped up this past season outta nowhere...
No, I really don't. When you look at his record, we should never have been in a position where he had to sign anybody off the street this year to play-the reason it was necessary is because of his 9 year record of total ineptitude in player personnel. Akhhorus has documented his draft failure in this thread to the point we all want to throw up, and that doesn't even reference his stupidity in the Jetskins debacle, or the other terrible trades he made for players who never contributed.

So now, after 9 years of crap, he gets promoted because of Lorenzo effing Alexander? I don't think so!!!!

Well....it appears we finally got our GM. The above reads like a GM job description.
This is freaking ridiculous. Next line of business will be the hiring of Jim Fassel...the firing of Al Saunders. If that happens, I'll pop my top.

It really hurts to be a Redskins fan right now. I can feel the pain in my gut.

*CBS* x 1,000,000
The good news is that, as a practical matter, nothing has really changed, except that the Danny will not be able to hide behind Cerrato anymore. I would say that if we suck, at least Vinny finally is front and center and will have to be held accountable. Except that Vinny has been sucking but if you read that press release, you would think our roster was stocked with talent. It is not.

Snyder answers the fan's call for a GM: Vinny Cerrato
Snyder answers the fan's call for a head coach: Vinny Cerrato
Snyder answers the fan's call for a pass rushing DE: Vinny Cerrato
Snyder answers the fan's call for a larger jumbotron: Vinny Cerrato(vision)

When will it end?

If Vinny dons a Redskinette uniform, I am out of here. Anything short of that, I remain a skins fan for life. But the Danny sure makes it hard.

Now that the circus is back in DC which dumb move will be made first. I say Clinton Portis, Santana Moss and our 1st round draft pick will get traded to Cincinnati for Chad Johnson.:mad:
I fully expect Chad Johnson to be a Redskin now, and I fully expect to overpay. To the effing Bengals. Character will not count anymore as it did under Gibbs. The agent for every turd out there will be burning a phone line to Cerrato's office, and every GM in the league is licking his chops because he knows that the suckers have re-entered the market after a one-year delay.
Wouldn't we have to compensate a team for hiring away an assistant in a lateral move?
That sounds like something these morons would do too.
An assistant who is under contract cannot be hired for a lateral move. If the contract has expired, the assistant is free to sign anywhere. The NFL bars compensation for any assistant coach.
I can't see GW sticking around after a few years ago being anointed the next HC, getting four interviews, and being passed over for Jim Friggin' Fassel.
No way GW sticks around if Fassel is named HC. After toiling long hours here for 4 years and paying his dues with this organization, there is no way he would stay. Nor should he.
:smash:
Didn't Vinny win an NCAA Championship with Holtz and a Super Bowl ring wiht the 49ers? He probably didn't earn them, but I'm sure he reminds Danny of his past every day.
He single handedly ruined a perennial national championship contender at Notre Dame then proceeded to ruin a perennial Superbowl contender in San Fran. Now vinny "the virus" has spread his football decimating disease throughout our organization. Without Gibbs here to stave off the infection expect a rapid degradation in our condition.
This just in-Vinny has hired Barry Switzer to be the new HC!

[greatest2]

heres to hoping he changes his ways and becomes a great GM and we continue to build.:beer:


and here is to likely what will happen:sfight:

[shally]

i dont think this changes anything except the size of vinnie's paycheck

when snyder uttered his immortal, if it aint broke comment this was obviously on it's way

now that he has the official title and the lines of power are clear, vinnie is going to be responsible for what happens next. the success of the next coach, the success of free agency and the draft, the overall record of the team- this is how he will be remembered. snyder has joined himself at the hip to vinnie and we simply have to live with it or find another team to root for

more than anything else, this may be what is driving the selection process at HC. perhaps if vinnie prevents the elevation of GW to head coach he starts off wih a big plus. i saw GW as being a disaster in waiting as HC and if we choose fassel instead, i will be pleased. if it ends up being spagnuolo plus fassel as OC, i will be elated.

either way, this is simply recognizing what has been obvious for some time.
vinnie has snyder's full trust...

[skinsfan36]

i will give vinnie credit for some of these udfas alexander,heyer,torrence,wilson

[mexskins]

more than anything else, this may be what is driving the selection process at HC. perhaps if vinnie prevents the elevation of GW to head coach he starts off wih a big plus. i saw GW as being a disaster in waiting as HC and if we choose fassel instead, i will be pleased. if it ends up being spagnuolo plus fassel as OC, i will be elated.

either way, this is simply recognizing what has been obvious for some time.
vinnie has snyder's full trust...

Shally,

Why do you think GW will be a disaster ? I dont know Fassel's overall numbers but all I know is that he was a bust with Baltimore.

To me, Cerrato is a big mistake and only time will tell.

Hail from Mexico !!!!

[skinfan43]

Glad I didn't resolve to stop drinking this year...
...plus, miracles seem far more realistic when you're drunk...so LET'S GO VINNY!:drunker:

[syphy]

Glad I didn't resolve to stop drinking this year...
...plus, miracles seem far more realistic when you're drunk...so LET'S GO VINNY!:drunker:


Hehehe I like your outlook.

[MadDog97]

I have always disliked Vinnie. I know he is getting some credit for some of the young players but was it Vinnie or Gibbs? I am sorry but I do not believe Vinnie should be promoted but its Snyders gang, not mine.

I am not sure what is going on with Fassel. I think Williams should stay as DC or HC. It looks like Saunders is history, though.

[bigcmr]

Glad I didn't resolve to stop drinking this year...
...plus, miracles seem far more realistic when you're drunk...so LET'S GO VINNY!:drunker:

I with you on that. Looks like ill be drinking to get drunk tonight. King Cobra it is.

[Red Bear]

I with you on that. Looks like ill be drinking to get drunk tonight. King Cobra it is.

King Cobra? WOW! you are taking this rough

[bergiemoore]

i will give vinnie credit for some of these udfas alexander,heyer,torrence,wilson

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I won't give Vinny any credit until I see some balance to this team's player acquisition, and some bona fide talent recruited on a consistent basis.

[Syllable]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I won't give Vinny any credit until I see some balance to this team's player acquisition, and some bona fide talent recruited on a consistent basis.

Find me a Gm who has 0 busts and I will agree with you, he has shown considerable improvement from what we had going on in the early decade.

[Hr fan]

Please, let us Danny some credit - when he makes a mistake he sticks with it.

[56arrington]

This is a horrible day to be a skins fan, together vinny and danny can make this the most valuable sports franchise ever. but as far as a championship team it will never happen. First bailey goes then Lavar, then my fav player (r.i.p.) taylor. This was the final nail in my football coffin goodbye football i will miss you.:dalassuk:







Scotland forever

[RedskinRyan]

This is a horrible day to be a skins fan, together vinny and danny can make this the most valuable sports franchise ever. but as far as a championship team it will never happen. First bailey goes then Lavar, then my fav player (r.i.p.) taylor. This was the final nail in my football coffin goodbye football i will miss you.:dalassuk:







Scotland forever

I wonder what your first post was......

"Patrick Ramsey is DEFINITLY the answer"

[RedskinRyan]

If Fassel can have a Kerry-Collins led team in the Super Bowl, we may be winning World Series with Jason Campbell.

[hail2skins]

I'm still speechless about this announcement. Don't know what it means entirely but it does raise questions based on the duties it included. Does this mean that Vinny will have final say over who is on the roster but gets input from the coach? Gibbs had a pull with Danny, no other coach will have it.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I guess the only positive I can draw from this promotion is that by title Vinny is now the guy who will receive all the credit/blame for personnel decisions made, just like Gibbs in this role over the past 4 years. So if Vinny continues his inept ways of the past I don't see how Snyder will be able to maintain him, or at least him and his current profit margins.

Hopefully Vinny will do a 360 and turn into a shrewd GM/evaluator, but if he doesn't he is sure to get slammed by the fans.

[hail2skins]

I guess the only positive I can draw from this promotion is that by title Vinny is now the guy who will receive all the credit/blame for personnel decisions made, just like Gibbs in this role over the past 4 years. So if Vinny continues his inept ways of the past I don't see how Snyder will be able to maintain him, or at least him and his current profit margins.

Hopefully Vinny will do a 360 and turn into a shrewd GM/evaluator, but if he doesn't he is sure to get slammed by the fans.I don't see Snyder putting him out there to hang. It does say it's formalizing the structure that was already in place. My issue is Gibbs had a lot of pull and no other coach will. What does that say?

Also, as for conspiracy theories maybe GW told Danny he didn't want to be too involved like Gibbs was in the personnel department. So maybe Vinnie is put there and GW becomes head coach with Fossil as the OC. Just a theory.

[Patrick]

I'm still speechless about this announcement. Don't know what it means entirely but it does raise questions based on the duties it included. Does this mean that Vinny will have final say over who is on the roster but gets input from the coach? Gibbs had a pull with Danny, no other coach will have it.


And that is OH SO TURE.
This Vinny move does NOT change a thing - it just wasn't going be made "offical" while Gibbs was here and holding all the titles he had.
AND the other thing to consider - Gibbs gave a lot of credit to Vinny during his time here - ESPECIALLY this season.
To me - NOTHING has chance so it's really no big deal. Business as usual.

[CNYSkinFan]

While some of you are giving credit to VInny for some of the young talent on the roster, let me once again step in and disagree.

My criticism of this front office has always been the inability to keep draft picks and the inability to choose well with the 2nd day picks. It is well known that almost every team agrees on the top 100 players coming out of college, essentially meaning that first day picks are not exactly rocket science. You have your busts of course, but those busts usually would have been picked by someone else within a couple of picks of where you picked them so I forgive first day busts a little more.

However the 2nd day is where a scouting department should make their money. Vinny has been here since 2000 (with the exception of 2001). Out of all those 2nd day picks (27) only 5 of them have made significant contributions to the Redskins (Rock Cartwright, Reed Doughty, Anthony Montgomery, Kedrick Golston, HB Blades)

Now to be fair 4 of those 5 players came in the last two drafts, so the trend is better. However even out of those 5 players, only 1 I think is a proven NFl starter (Montgomery) and 1 has a real potential (HB Blades) The rest IMO are role players (Doughty was pressed into service and was better later in the year, but I do not believe he is a long term starter in the NFL, just a role player)

If you look at the Pre-Gibbs drafts on the second day it is a virtual wasteland. I think Gibbs and the old coaches (Buges, Breaux) etc took a little time to get used to and assess the college pool and that made the difference in 2006 & 07. Do we now regress since they are no longer going to be in the war room?

I find it likely that we do.

Now there are a couplem of UFAs that have done well (Heyer for instance) but every team has those stories. You simply have so many of them coming to camp (10-15 each year) that you are bound to find a gem or too. Besides Heyer and maybe Pierce (though I am not sure Vinny can get credit for Pierce) I don't recall any making significant contributions in the regular season. They are training camp wonderstories (like the L word) and die out once the regular season starts.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it"

Saddest words of Gibbs retirement press conference by far.

[CNYSkinFan]

Again to emphasize my point, there is not many NFL teams who would have passed on decent first day picks like Arrington, Samuels, Taylor, Cooley, Rogers, Campbell, Betts, Rocky & Landry. And many NFL teams would have made the same mistakes with Ramsey & Jacobs.

If you want to get picky you can even make Vinny pay for such first day picks like Cliff russell, Rashad Bauman, Lloyd Harrison, but those are all 3rd rounders and there are more risks with them (also you could blamne Spurrier exclusively for Russell who fell in love with his speed)

[redskin_rich]

Overpaid, overrated free agents:
Overpaid = Danny's fault
Overrated = Vinny's fault

Now I realize Gibbs and even GW had some influence on some or all of the players brought in but Vinny provided the evaluations and Danny handled the negotiations.

[fent]

Again to emphasize my point, there is not many NFL teams who would have passed on decent first day picks like Arrington, Samuels, Taylor, Cooley, Rogers, Campbell, Betts, Rocky & Landry. And many NFL teams would have made the same mistakes with Ramsey & Jacobs.

If you want to get picky you can even make Vinny pay for such first day picks like Cliff russell, Rashad Bauman, Lloyd Harrison, but those are all 3rd rounders and there are more risks with them (also you could blamne Spurrier exclusively for Russell who fell in love with his speed)

Vinny/Gibbs need to get a lot of credit for Cooley...if i recall correctly he was a 5th round projection that year and everyone was ticked that we gave up the next year's 2nd to move into the 3rd to get a 2nd day guy.

[redskin_rich]

Vinny/Gibbs need to get a lot of credit for Cooley...if i recall correctly he was a 5th round projection that year and everyone was ticked that we gave up the next year's 2nd to move into the 3rd to get a 2nd day guy.

I wasn't, I loved that pick. I wanted a TE but not KWII and Cooley led the nation in TD's at the TE position that year. I wasn't on this board at the time, so I have no idea what all the draft gurus were saying.

[fent]

I wasn't, I loved that pick. I wanted a TE but not KWII and Cooley led the nation in TD's at the TE position that year. I wasn't on this board at the time, so I have no idea what all the draft gurus were saying.

that was the first draft for a bunch of us because we came on to celebrate Gibbs' coming back. i'm running a search for that thread.

[CNYSkinFan]

Vinny/Gibbs need to get a lot of credit for Cooley...if i recall correctly he was a 5th round projection that year and everyone was ticked that we gave up the next year's 2nd to move into the 3rd to get a 2nd day guy.
yeah.....I guess so. But since we had a 5th in 2004 why would we move so quickly? I think COoley's stock was rising among several teams and that is why we moved up to get him.

So I will give credit to Gibbs/cerrato for making the move, but not for the talent evaluation. I think Cooley was going 3rd round whether we picked him or not

[CNYSkinFan]

that was the first draft for a bunch of us because we came on to celebrate Gibbs' coming back. i'm running a search for that thread.

like RR I was not on the board either, but I loved the pick. (I came to hr in early 2005 psyched about the future of the franchise after year 1 of Gibbs)

[fent]

after looking it's a mixed bag. the original thread is gone and all those surrounding it are about half and half.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I wasn't, I loved that pick. I wanted a TE but not KWII and Cooley led the nation in TD's at the TE position that year. I wasn't on this board at the time, so I have no idea what all the draft gurus were saying.

Didn't he lead the nation in catches for a TE also?

[RedskinRyan]

Didn't he lead the nation in catches for a TE also?

I believe he led all tight ends in catches his senior year, and won the Mackey award.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I don't see Snyder putting him out there to hang. It does say it's formalizing the structure that was already in place. My issue is Gibbs had a lot of pull and no other coach will. What does that say?


I certainly agree that no other coach will ever have the pull Gibbs had with Snyder, which is scary now that Gibbs is gone. The way I read the promotion is that Dan is itching to return to a more integral role in selecting the player personnel, and that Vinny will be his proxy and fall guy, while Vinny really just serves as his lead scout and chief council in player evaluation.

I listen to sports talk radio for the majority of my work day and the fan base seems to be really irritated and deflated by this decision, as to many it signifies a return to the old ways which led us through so many agonizing years in the past and offers little hope for the future. I just sense a growing lack of patience in the fans, and if results continue to be sub mediocre as they were in the past under Snyder/Cerrato built teams, the fans might not be willing to continue to pay the prices they do if changes aren't made. Not that it matters what the fans want, b/c when it comes down to it, really it only matters what Snyder wants. But if this structure fails again, regardless of who is actually making the decisions, it may end up irritating enough fans to hurt profits, which is the only thing that could cause Snyder to react IMO.

I am thinking it might have to get really bad before it can get better. Given the past I'm just not sure how bad it would need to get for Snyder to realize that he and Vinny are a dysfunctional tandem, rather than a duo on the cusp of building a consistent winner or even a consistent 500% team for that matter. Hopefully Snyder or Vinny or whoever is actually making the decisions now will prove my cynicism to be unjust.

[dj_stouty]

Ernie Accorsi was on the radio with Riggins yesterday. Accorsi basically said that some NFL owners don't feel comfortable with giving out the title of "General Manager" and that this is one of those situations. He said Vinny's job description is that of any other NFL General Manager, although his title is worded differently. Accorsi went on to say he personally had a similar title in Clevelend in the late 80s yet he had the same GM powers.

He will continue to do many of the same things he has done the past few years, but he will have more power now that their incoming Head Coach will have much less say about decisions than Joe did.

Folks..Vinny Cerrato is most certainly our General Manager, and I'm not the least bit happy about it. :devil2:

[CNYSkinFan]

The roster control thing is a little scary and here is why, he had it in the Spurrier years.

It was well documented in year 2 of Spurroier that at the end of TC Spurrier wanted to keep Wuerfel as the third QB and Cerrato and Snyder overruled him and decided to keep on 3rd QB, signing tim hasselbeck later in the season.

Now in that instance it was a good thing, but do you trust Cerrato and Snyder to make the right roster moves over most NFL coaches? This is playing with fire and suddenly I want to start drinking.

[Battle Cat]

I believe he led all tight ends in catches his senior year, and won the Mackey award.
People were hesitant because he did that at some school like Utah State or something. Not exactly a college power house and played against teams like UNLV and Wyoming. That should not have mattered and it turned out it didn't but that is always an issue when guys are coming out of college. London Fletcher was not highly regarded because he went to Carroll College same thing.

My main problem with Vinny is his putting the priority on free agency and not the draft when almost every NFL organization is totally the oppossite. I don't have the link but I have seen places where he was quoted as such. And then after seeing that this philosophy doesn't work he showed no willingness to change this philosophy until J. Gibbs came in.

[hail2skins]

The roster control thing is a little scary and here is why, he had it in the Spurrier years.

It was well documented in year 2 of Spurroier that at the end of TC Spurrier wanted to keep Wuerfel as the third QB and Cerrato and Snyder overruled him and decided to keep on 3rd QB, signing tim hasselbeck later in the season.

Now in that instance it was a good thing, but do you trust Cerrato and Snyder to make the right roster moves over most NFL coaches? This is playing with fire and suddenly I want to start drinking.
I just posted JLC's blog in the other thread and this issue was bought up. He said folks in Mobile saw that and were like wow, that's the coaches domain there (the roster). JLC said the team backed off that statement when he pushed them. I wonder if they changed the way the presser reads.

[colkurtz]

*takes a long swig from my flask of bourbon* anyone else need it? lol

I want a double of that and the sharp pencil.........

[colkurtz]

The only positive from this "promotion" is that he now is accountable for his choices in the draft and FA. I'd rather have him out front answering the hard questions than hiding in the back as the lead toady to the boss.

There are just so many better choices for a true GM.

[The Skinsinator]

The only positive from this "promotion" is that he now is accountable for his choices in the draft and FA. I'd rather have him out front answering the hard questions than hiding in the back as the lead toady to the boss. I doubt that would ever happen. I just can't see Snyder ever holding this man accountable for anything. As successful of a businessman as Snyder is he is forgetting it's not a good idea to get into business with friends/family. Redskins nation has been paying the price for it.

[Love the Truth]

I wasn't, I loved that pick. I wanted a TE but not KWII and Cooley led the nation in TD's at the TE position that year. I wasn't on this board at the time, so I have no idea what all the draft gurus were saying.

Before the draft Mel Kiper was high on Chris Cooley comparing him favorably with Clint Didier. It has been noted that he and Cerrato are personal friends. After the pick, Kiper said it was a perfect fit.