ESPNEWS reporting Fassel NOT offered the job.

[nicefellow31]

ESPNews (on the TV) is reporting that Fassel was not offered the HC job. Listed it as "Breaking News." Okay, what in the world is going on?

[DCassain21]

good news in my eyes. man these redskins rumors are crazy.

[Meatsnack]

Maybe Vinny received some of the death threats from ExtremeSkins? ;)

[LATrueRedskin]

Why does Snyder get off on this?

[thehogs11]

Thank the Lord

[PyroGenic]

This is getting annoying.

[Syllable]

Do we have a hard copy of this anywhere or just heard on ESPN?

[BostonSkins]

Just watched the bottom line cycle through 'NFL' on ESPNNEWS and didn't see it. You messin with my emotions?

[smoak]

This is getting annoying.

VERY! I would get more accomplished by looking at European vampire porn rather than trying to keep up with the Redskins.

ARGH!

I'm getting another beer and pretending I didn't see this thread.

[akhhorus]

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/d/d6/180px-Mayorsp.jpg

Mayor: "Officer Cerrato...try to imagine that we had a competent Executive VP of football operations.....what would he do."
Officer Cerrato: "hmmm...thats a tough one Mayor...i'll get on that with thinking."

[nicefellow31]

Just watched the bottom line cycle through 'NFL' on ESPNNEWS and didn't see it. You messin with my emotions?

No. They have switched their "Breaking News" from Fassel to "Falcons name Mike Smith head coach." Crazy, crazy, crazy. BTW, JLC now says there are complications with Zorn.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

VERY! I would get more accomplished by looking at European vampire porn rather than trying to keep up with the Redskins.

ARGH!

I'm getting another beer and pretending I didn't see this thread.
Don't look for excuses, enjoy your beer AND your porn ;)

BTW, any confirmation on this?

[LATrueRedskin]

ESPN just said the Redskins "deny" reports that Jim Fassel has been offered the job.

[WarEagle]

I just heard it on ESPN Radio, too. "A high-ranking source in the Redskins org. says Fassel has NOT been offered the job..." Oh, well. I'm just surprised that it took the Redskins so long (several hours) to squash the rumor that was being reported all day by ESPN.

[Syllable]

This is a nice publicity stunt for all the newswires. Lets just get everyone following these wild goose chases.

[RicFlairOne]

This entire process is a joke Snyder has completely butchered this whoever the next coach is can't wait to see that press conference unbelievable.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Maybe Tom Cruise will indeed be our next Head Coach :whoknows:

[nicefellow31]

Dawgone Mickey Mouse club. Looks like they may not get either Zorn or Ryan.

[redskin_rich]

I'm going to stop agonizing and start trying to enjoy this. I love my Skins and always will but I wouldn't mind seeing this whole situation blow up on Danny.


We are Arizona, Cincinnati, Detroit... only with higher salaries.

[CNYSkinFan]

I'm going to stop agonizing and start trying to enjoy this. I love my Skins and always will but I wouldn't mind seeing this whole situation blow up on Danny.


We are Arizona, Cincinnati, Detroit... only with higher salaries.
exactly...this is a joke

we have gone from class to another word rhyming with class

[smoak]

This entire process is a joke Snyder has completely butchered this whoever the next coach is can't wait to see that press conference unbelievable.

That is the truest statement I have ever read here. We are doomed until Snyder is gone...

Don't look for excuses, enjoy your beer AND your porn ;)

BTW, any confirmation on this?

Nah. I only line CANADIAN vampire porn... Besides, I love being abused by my football team. I don't pay all that money to expect anything from them... :D

[Syllable]

I'm going to stop agonizing and start trying to enjoy this. I love my Skins and always will but I wouldn't mind seeing this whole situation blow up on Danny.


We are Arizona, Cincinnati, Detroit... only with higher salaries.

I actually think the opposite, I think Danny is trying to hard to pick the right canidates that he is second guessing himself. I love how fans give Danny the double edged sword when it comes to these decisions, if he picks too quickly and doesn't make a big deal about it, it is his fault for being to impulsive and not going through a "process", and if he takes too long it is "blowing up in his face".

Oh and by the way, if the Danny never offered Fassel a job, it isn't his fault that the dumb fans like us continue to cling on to these media rumors.

[DCassain21]

Maybe Tom Cruise will indeed be our next Head Coach :whoknows:

could you imagine cruise on the sidelines, jumping around like he did on oprah everytime the skins score.

[smoak]

exactly...this is a joke

we have gone from class to another word rhyming with class

Glass?
Mass?
Bass?
Gas?
SAS?
Pass?
Lass?
Crass?
Hass... Oh wait that doesn't rhyme.

[CNYSkinFan]

Glass?
Mass?
Bass?
Gas?
SAS?
Pass?
Lass?
Crass?
Hass... Oh wait that doesn't rhyme.
welll...gas is associated with it

[nicefellow31]

could you imagine cruise on the sidelines, jumping around like he did on oprah everytime the skins score.

Nah. Cruise will be at his football playing best like in his movie "All the Right Moves." He will tell Danny after a close game, "we didn't blow the game! You blew the game!"

Danny: Get your stuff and get out of here! You ride with the cheerleaders!

[redskin_rich]

I actually think the opposite, I think Danny is trying to hard to pick the right canidates that he is second guessing himself. I love how fans give Danny the double edged sword when it comes to these decisions, if he picks too quickly and doesn't make a big deal about it, it is his fault for being to impulsive and not going through a "process", and if he takes too long it is "blowing up in his face".

Oh and by the way, if the Danny never offered Fassel a job, it isn't his fault that the dumb fans like us continue to cling on to these media rumors.

Rumors? It was reported on every major news station.

Let's get this straight right now, are you going to champion the Danny? If so, good luck and don't jump into traffic or off a building when you come to reality.

[Syllable]

could you imagine cruise on the sidelines, jumping around like he did on oprah everytime the skins score.

His criteria for his staff is their e-meter scores and how much they have audited.

[smoak]

I actually think the opposite, I think Danny is trying to hard to pick the right canidates that he is second guessing himself. I love how fans give Danny the double edged sword when it comes to these decisions, if he picks too quickly and doesn't make a big deal about it, it is his fault for being to impulsive and not going through a "process", and if he takes too long it is "blowing up in his face".

Oh and by the way, if the Danny never offered Fassel a job, it isn't his fault that the dumb fans like us continue to cling on to these media rumors.

Whoa!?? Exactly where do get off calling me dumb??? Oh wait... Yeah... With my other posts in this thread yo have a point. The defense rests.

All idiotic comments from me aside, what the heck can you do but roll your eyes and go with the flow. If the Redskins weren't so damned secretive about everything, nothing would have been "leaked". This doesn't happen to other franchises... We're a bad joke.

[CNYSkinFan]

Rumors? It was reported on every major news station.

Let's get this straight right now, are you going to champion the Danny? If so, good luck and don't jump into traffic or off a building when you come to reality.
not to mention news stations OWNED by the Redskins...and it takes 5 hours to deny it?

nope this all smells like crapola

[Syllable]

Rumors? It was reported on every major news station.

Let's get this straight right now, are you going to champion the Danny? If so, good luck and don't jump into traffic or off a building when you come to reality.

Yes they were Rumors, if you can give me definitive proof that they weren't rumors, then show me. From what I have read and heard from all of the reports were Rumored and stated as, "Inside sources say:". Until you read something that say it is official signed, then take everything as a rumor. Major news stations also report major rumors.

I didn't Champion Danny, but I am not ready to call his coaching search a bust because the media jumps to conclusions too fast and the fans get angry at the owner when they are getting slapped around by the media.

Here is what we know. The redskins have interviewed Jim Fassel in one or more occasions and thats it. We have source information that he might be bringing Zorn and Ryan, but nothing is set in stone.

[akhhorus]

not to mention news stations OWNED by the Redskins...and it takes 5 hours to deny it?

nope this all smells like crapola

There's a disturbing theory winding it's way through my brain, and I really hope its not true:

The Skins leaked that Fassel would be coach, then pulled back after hearing the fan reaction. I can't imagine that any other franchise would run that way, but sadly enough, I can believe it. *sighs and pulls out my flask* anyone else?

[LATrueRedskin]

There's a disturbing theory winding it's way through my brain, and I really hope its not true:

The Skins leaked that Fassel would be coach, then pulled back after hearing the fan reaction. I can't imagine that any other franchise would run that way, but sadly enough, I can believe it. *sighs and pulls out my flask* anyone else?

God save us all if that's the case. And, sadly like you said, it's not out of the question. I don't really see a need for him to be so sneaky. Something is not right with him.

EDIT: Oh, and let me get a swig of that....

[Syllable]

There's a disturbing theory winding it's way through my brain, and I really hope its not true:

The Skins leaked that Fassel would be coach, then pulled back after hearing the fan reaction. I can't imagine that any other franchise would run that way, but sadly enough, I can believe it. *sighs and pulls out my flask* anyone else?

Streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch.

[nicefellow31]

There's a disturbing theory winding it's way through my brain, and I really hope its not true:

The Skins leaked that Fassel would be coach, then pulled back after hearing the fan reaction. I can't imagine that any other franchise would run that way, but sadly enough, I can believe it. *sighs and pulls out my flask* anyone else?

I sure hope not. If they are going to let fan reaction dictate the hiring of a coach............whew. I'll skip your flask. Bartender...a shot of Patron please! No, double shot!.

[akhhorus]

God save us all if that's the case. And, sadly like you said, it's not out of the question. I don't really see a need for him to be so sneaky. Something is not right with him.

EDIT: Oh, and let me get a swig of that....

ID please.

[BostonSkins]

Maybe Danny just likes seeing what he can do with/to the media. You know his contempt for LaCanfora so why not bust his chops by having one of his minions leak stuff to him all day just to mess with him.

And of course, by messing with the media he messes with us. But, is there a better way to keep your team in the news during Super Bowl week(s) than this?

[LATrueRedskin]

ID please.

Lady's got it... :D

[DCassain21]

Nah. Cruise will be at his football playing best like in his movie "All the Right Moves." He will tell Danny after a close game, "we didn't blow the game! You blew the game!"

Danny: Get your stuff and get out of here! You ride with the cheerleaders!

then he will yell in danny's face SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

[akhhorus]

Maybe Danny just likes seeing what he can do with/to the media. You know his contempt for LaCanfora so why not bust his chops by having one of his minions leak stuff to him all day just to mess with him.

And of course, by messing with the media he messes with us. But, is there a better way to keep your team in the news during Super Bowl week(s) than this?

If thats the case, Snyder's still a douche. He's that petty to try and discredit a beat reporter like that?

And if that were the case, why did he leak it on his own radio station?

Lady's got it... :D

(the following joke has been redacted by the FCC)

[redskin_rich]

If by some reach, Danny is just messing with the media, I have one question. Who is impressed?

Right, this is classic bungling by the Danny.

[Keino]

Yea, I am far from impressed.

[LATrueRedskin]

If thats the case, Snyder's still a douche. He's that petty to try and discredit a beat reporter like that?

And if that were the case, why did he leak it on his own radio station?



(the following joke has been redacted by the FCC)

That's what I don't get. Why spread it on the radio station you own? It makes no sense to me other than Snyder is a mad man who seeks pleasure from giving out false news.

Oh, and :lol1:

[DCassain21]

If by some reach, Danny is just messing with the media, I have one question. Who is impressed?

Right, this is classic bungling by the Danny.

I dont understand why he would just mess with the media. I dont understand any motives behind that.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

Why do i get the feeling this will end with a press conference with someone covered in a black cloak and danny will pull the cloak and and reveal that the next head coach is Russ Grimm and then he will pull off the Grimm mask and reveal that it is really Tom Cruise in a mission impossible Russ Grimm mask...Oh the Redskins at least we have style.

[DCassain21]

Why do i get the feeling this will end with a press conference with someone covered in a black cloak and danny will pull the cloak and and reveal that the next head coach is Russ Grimm and then he will pull off the Grimm mask and reveal that it is really Tom Cruise in a mission impossible Russ Grimm mask...Oh the Redskins at least we have style.

lol, i can see this, 'Mission Impossible: REDSKINS'

[akhhorus]

That's what I don't get. Why spread it on the radio station you own? It makes no sense to me other than Snyder is a mad man who seeks pleasure from giving out false news.

http://copiaeincolla.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/professor_chaos.jpg

"MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOUR MOVE LACANFORA!!!!"

[Red Bear]

There's a disturbing theory winding it's way through my brain, and I really hope its not true:

The Skins leaked that Fassel would be coach, then pulled back after hearing the fan reaction. I can't imagine that any other franchise would run that way, but sadly enough, I can believe it. *sighs and pulls out my flask* anyone else?

There was no need to leak anything falsely just to get a fan reaction. the fans opinions have been on message boards for days, as well as people calling into sports talk radio shows, etc...

[shally]

That's what I don't get. Why spread it on the radio station you own? It makes no sense to me other than Snyder is a mad man who seeks pleasure from giving out false news.

Oh, and :lol1:

i think snyder does enjoy controliing the message going out on the media as much as possible, and this includes using diliberate disinformation

[28thegreat]

I actually think the opposite, I think Danny is trying to hard to pick the right canidates that he is second guessing himself. I love how fans give Danny the double edged sword when it comes to these decisions, if he picks too quickly and doesn't make a big deal about it, it is his fault for being to impulsive and not going through a "process", and if he takes too long it is "blowing up in his face".

Oh and by the way, if the Danny never offered Fassel a job, it isn't his fault that the dumb fans like us continue to cling on to these media rumors.
I kind of like your thinking here Syllable. This IS a job interview process. As one who has gone through it more times than I'd have liked in my 46 years, I am glad it was never played out in the media. And we're not talking about a job where the responsibilities amount to managing a business worth a couple of thousand dollars either. This is huge no matter which sports franchise it is.

[akhhorus]

There was no need to leak anything falsely just to get a fan reaction. the fans opinions have been on message boards for days, as well as people calling into sports talk radio shows, etc...

Fassel didn't become officially a candidate until a couple days ago.

[LATrueRedskin]

i think snyder does enjoy controliing the message going out on the media as much as possible, and this includes using diliberate disinformation

To serve what purpose, though? It's not accomplishing anything, even if Fassel isn't the next coach.

[LATrueRedskin]

http://copiaeincolla.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/professor_chaos.jpg

"MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH YOUR MOVE LACANFORA!!!!"

http://archshrk.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/cheap-costume.jpg

Don't forget Vinny's there with him every step of the way.

[SkinsWest]

Good news from my viewpoint. Danny is up to sumtin, not sure what. Maybe he'll get maintain continuity and give the HC job to GW and then infuse some new blood in the way of Zorn and Rex. Zorn played with great passion back in the day. Loved that guy.

[DCassain21]

Good news from my viewpoint. Danny is up to sumtin, not sure what. Maybe he'll get maintain continuity and give the HC job to GW and then infuse some new blood in the way of Zorn and Rex. Zorn played with great passion back in the day. Loved that guy.

why get rex if we keep gregg?

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

Why do i get the feeling this will end with a press conference with someone covered in a black cloak and danny will pull the cloak and and reveal that the next head coach is Russ Grimm and then he will pull off the Grimm mask and reveal that it is really Tom Cruise in a mission impossible Russ Grimm mask...Oh the Redskins at least we have style.

maybe he can bring all the canidates out like a game show and then we can cheer for our favorite and our next coach will be decided on who has the loudest following.

[Red Bear]

Fassel didn't become officially a candidate until a couple days ago.

i said days. plenty of fans gave opinions of fassel through various outlets in those days. and technically fassel was a candidate before a "couple of days ago" as he was the first mystery interview when people thought it was grimm. it just finally made its way to the media a couple of days ago. sorry, but i cant buy your theory of them releasing a false statement on who will be the new HC just to gauge fan interest

[nicefellow31]

Well you know Danny has a long running feud with the Washington Post. On ESPN they say the Skins are denying a report in "The Washington Post" about Fassel being offered the HC job. Maybe he is just messing with the Post.

[silverspring]

I don't necessarily think snyder is intentionally messing with the media. I think the candidates have a much greater incentive to leak information than snyder because they can use it as leverage.

I get the sense that the fassel deal is a package deal (w/ ryan and zorna) and for snyder it is an all or nothing deal. That would certainly explain some of the oddities and length of the process and why he hasn't announced fassel yet.


I think GW is snyder's backup move and isn't out of the picture yet. Although snyder is certainly giving him a pretty clear message by entertaining all these other options.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I think something broke down unexpectedly during negotiations. The question is do we ever find out what, and is it a deal breaker or fixable.

[akhhorus]

Good news from my viewpoint. Danny is up to sumtin, not sure what. Maybe he'll get maintain continuity and give the HC job to GW and then infuse some new blood in the way of Zorn and Rex. Zorn played with great passion back in the day. Loved that guy.

Huh? Why would Rex come here to be a figurehead DC?

i said days. plenty of fans gave opinions of fassel through various outlets in those days. and technically fassel was a candidate before a "couple of days ago" as he was the first mystery interview when people thought it was grimm. it just finally made its way to the media a couple of days ago. sorry, but i cant buy your theory of them releasing a false statement on who will be the new HC just to gauge fan interest

Snyder's so obsessed with image, I don't put it past him.

Well you know Danny has a long running feud with the Washington Post. On ESPN they say the Skins are denying a report in "The Washington Post" about Fassel being offered the HC job. Maybe he is just messing with the Post.

Then why leak it on his own Radio station. He can't criticize the Post for something that ran on one of his properties(well, he can but he'd sound like a douche).

[NCskinsfanatic]

maybe he can bring all the canidates out like a game show and then we can cheer for our favorite and our next coach will be decided on who has the loudest following.

And our next coaching candidate loves long walks on the beach, champagne at midnight and oklahoma drills in the dog days of September...:rolleyes:

[nicefellow31]

Oh no Pastabelly is on the air. As expected, he has nothing pertinent to say. Check that. He claims that Monte Kiffin, before he signed his extension, was within hours of flying to D.C. to interview for the defensive coordinator position. Hadn't heard that one before.

[DCassain21]

I think something broke down unexpectedly during negotiations. The question is do we ever find out what, and is it a deal breaker or fixable.

yea i can definatley see this as a reason why this is all going on, but at the same time money is never really an object to snyder, espically coaches.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

And our next coaching candidate loves long walks on the beach, champagne at midnight and oklahoma drills in the dog days of September...:rolleyes:

Ooh, I know, I know. That has to be Shottenheimer. What do I win????

[nicefellow31]

Huh? Why would Rex come here to be a figurehead DC?



Snyder's so obsessed with image, I don't put it past him.



Then why leak it on his own Radio station. He can't criticize the Post for something that ran on one of his properties(well, he can but he'd sound like a douche).

I don't even attempt to enter the mind of Danny Snyder, AK. Sure madness. I think I have made as many posts after the season as during the season.

[redskin_rich]

Oh no Pastabelly is on the air. As expected, he has nothing pertinent to say. Check that. He claims that Monte Kiffin, before he signed his extension, was within hours of flying to D.C. to interview for the defensive coordinator position. Hadn't heard that one before.
The Kiffin story was reported over last weekend, I believe.

The way I see it, Snyder is trying to put together a dream staff using the Frankenstein model. Similar to how he tried to build teams not so long ago. I guess that is why Fassel would be the candidate for Head Puppet.

Maybe Fassel is better than being a Wade Phillips. If so, I'll give him some credit.

[Syllable]

Huh? Why would Rex come here to be a figurehead DC?



Snyder's so obsessed with image, I don't put it past him.



Then why leak it on his own Radio station. He can't criticize the Post for something that ran on one of his properties(well, he can but he'd sound like a douche).

Even though he owns the radio station, I am pretty sure that is where it ends. The radio station gets better access, but I am sure Snyder doesn't feed them information that will directly hurt his own image. And from what I read, I thought that the radio station didn't even get leaks before most other syndicates.

One thing I do agree with is that why would he be so lazy to not squash any rumor that has gotten that big. There has to be a point where he gets out of his office and just releases a press snippet that stops the rumors. It SHOULD NOT take 5 hours for this to happen.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Ooh, I know, I know. That has to be Shottenheimer. What do I win????

An all expense paid trip with Vinny to sunny Notre Dame...

[The Skinsinator]

Oh no Pastabelly is on the air. As expected, he has nothing pertinent to say. Check that. He claims that Monte Kiffin, before he signed his extension, was within hours of flying to D.C. to interview for the defensive coordinator position. Hadn't heard that one before.Who the hell is left for him to really interview? The sad thing I think deep down him and Cerrato have no clue who to hire. They know Williams would probably the best fit at least for a year or two but Cerrato doesn't get along with him. That makes me want to puke.

[akhhorus]

Even though he owns the radio station, I am pretty sure that is where it ends. The radio station gets better access, but I am sure Snyder doesn't feed them information that will directly hurt his own image. And from what I read, I thought that the radio station didn't even get leaks before most other syndicates.

Yeah, but two things:
1-Snyder's own radio station is reporting something, and it takes 5 hours for the Skins to respond denying it.
2-If Snyder leaked it indirectly or not to JLC, then it broadcasting on Triple X undermines the entire point of doing this to discredit JLC.

One thing I do agree with is that why would he be so lazy to not squash any rumor that has gotten that big. There has to be a point where he gets out of his office and just releases a press snippet that stops the rumors. It SHOULD NOT take 5 hours for this to happen.

Exactly, unless there's something else going on.

[redskin_rich]

With the rumors of Ryan wanting a HC position and the probability that Zorn could have the OC position in Seattle next year, I wonder if Snyder is hedging on Fassel, because he was fully expecting to elevate Ryan or Zorn in a couple years and now his hand is being forced and he may hire one of them (Ryan or Zorn) for the head job?

[hogs86]

This comes from Chris Mortensen 11:05


Former New York Giants coach Jim Fassel remains under strong consideration to fill the Washington head coach vacancy, but a Redskins' source said late Wednesday he has not yet been offered the position and that club officials might still decide to wait until after Super Bowl XLII to interview one or more assistants from the franchises involved in the championship game.

Team and league sources also insisted that Washington defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who was considered the heir apparent to Joe Gibbs and who has interviewed four times with owner Daniel Snyder and executive vice president Vinny Cerrato in the past 10 days, is still a candidate for the position.

It has been rumored that the Redskins might be interested in meeting with Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who has vast experience in the NFC East. Before being named as the Giants' coordinator, Spagnuolo was the Philadelphia Eagles' linebackers coach for eight seasons. A Washington source acknowledged Thursday that Spagnuolo is "on the radar screen" of Redskins' officials.

League rules prohibit the Redskins from interviewing Spagnuolo or any other assistants from the Giants or the New England Patriots until after the Super Bowl.

Snyder may take a few days to consider his options. If he decides not to wait until after the Super Bowl to expand his list of candidates, the job could very well go to Fassel, who compiled a 60-56-1 record in seven seasons as the Giants' head coach (1997-2003), and who led the club to a Super Bowl XXXV appearance. Fassel, who most recently served as the Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator before being dismissed from that job midway through the 2006 season, was also a head coach candidate in Washington in 2004 before Snyder coaxed Gibbs out of retirement.

Fassel, 58, on Monday interviewed with Snyder and Cerrato for a second time in recent weeks.

On Wednesday, the Redskins met with Seattle Seahawks quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn, and he has emerged as the top choice to be their new offensive coordinator, no matter who is hired as head coach. It appears that the Redskins will part ways with assistant head coach/offense Al Saunders, who joined the staff in 2006 as one of the NFL's highest paid assistants.

Zorn, Seattle's quarterbacks coach for the past seven years, met with Snyder at Snyder's home, a person familiar with the coaching selection process told The Associated Press.

Zorn is a longtime local favorite in Seattle. He was the franchise's original starting quarterback in 1976 and played nine seasons with the team. He returned as an offensive assistant from 1997-98 and again as quarterbacks coach in 2001.

The hiring of Zorn or any new offensive coordinator would represent yet another scheme change for Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell, who has played in six different offensive systems over his last seven years of college and professional football.

The Redskins also want to hire Rex Ryan as the team's new defensive coordinator, sources said. Ryan has been the defensive coordinator for the Ravens for the past three seasons. But the Redskins have been stymied in their attempts to hire him because the Ravens still retain contractual rights that allow them to block Ryan from taking another defensive coordinator job.

Last week, as first reported by ESPN.com, the Redskins arranged an interview with Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, whose contract with the Bucs had expired. But just hours before he was to board a plane for the meeting with the Redskins, Kiffin agreed to a mutiyear contract extension with Tampa Bay on a deal believed to be worth about $2 million per year.

Senior writer Len Pasquarelli covers the NFL for ESPN.com. Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.


Link http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3210819

[akhhorus]

This comes from Chris Mortensen 11:05


Former New York Giants coach Jim Fassel remains under strong consideration to fill the Washington head coach vacancy, but a Redskins' source said late Wednesday he has not yet been offered the position and that club officials might still decide to wait until after Super Bowl XLII to interview one or more assistants from the franchises involved in the championship game.

Team and league sources also insisted that Washington defensive coordinator Gregg Williams, who was considered the heir apparent to Joe Gibbs and who has interviewed four times with owner Daniel Snyder and executive vice president Vinny Cerrato in the past 10 days, is still a candidate for the position.

It has been rumored that the Redskins might be interested in meeting with Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who has vast experience in the NFC East. Before being named as the Giants' coordinator, Spagnuolo was the Philadelphia Eagles' linebackers coach for eight seasons. A Washington source acknowledged Thursday that Spagnuolo is "on the radar screen" of Redskins' officials.

League rules prohibit the Redskins from interviewing Spagnuolo or any other assistants from the Giants or the New England Patriots until after the Super Bowl.

Snyder may take a few days to consider his options. If he decides not to wait until after the Super Bowl to expand his list of candidates, the job could very well go to Fassel, who compiled a 60-56-1 record in seven seasons as the Giants' head coach (1997-2003), and who led the club to a Super Bowl XXXV appearance. Fassel, who most recently served as the Baltimore Ravens offensive coordinator before being dismissed from that job midway through the 2006 season, was also a head coach candidate in Washington in 2004 before Snyder coaxed Gibbs out of retirement.

Fassel, 58, on Monday interviewed with Snyder and Cerrato for a second time in recent weeks.

On Wednesday, the Redskins met with Seattle Seahawks quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn, and he has emerged as the top choice to be their new offensive coordinator, no matter who is hired as head coach. It appears that the Redskins will part ways with assistant head coach/offense Al Saunders, who joined the staff in 2006 as one of the NFL's highest paid assistants.

Zorn, Seattle's quarterbacks coach for the past seven years, met with Snyder at Snyder's home, a person familiar with the coaching selection process told The Associated Press.

Zorn is a longtime local favorite in Seattle. He was the franchise's original starting quarterback in 1976 and played nine seasons with the team. He returned as an offensive assistant from 1997-98 and again as quarterbacks coach in 2001.

The hiring of Zorn or any new offensive coordinator would represent yet another scheme change for Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell, who has played in six different offensive systems over his last seven years of college and professional football.

The Redskins also want to hire Rex Ryan as the team's new defensive coordinator, sources said. Ryan has been the defensive coordinator for the Ravens for the past three seasons. But the Redskins have been stymied in their attempts to hire him because the Ravens still retain contractual rights that allow them to block Ryan from taking another defensive coordinator job.

Last week, as first reported by ESPN.com, the Redskins arranged an interview with Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin, whose contract with the Bucs had expired. But just hours before he was to board a plane for the meeting with the Redskins, Kiffin agreed to a mutiyear contract extension with Tampa Bay on a deal believed to be worth about $2 million per year.

Senior writer Len Pasquarelli covers the NFL for ESPN.com. Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.


Link http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3210819


Great that we want to hire a DC and an OC, then think about a head coach. *takes a LOOOOOOOOOONG belt from my flask*

[whistleandthumb]

Is it possible to go forward from here without a thousand threads declaring one thing or another with no "official" statement?

Until a coach is named, there are going to be rumors-a-plenty, and I think it does nothing but cause mass confusion to post a thread saying that Fassel, or whomever, is for sure the head coach, when there is no "official" statement linked to that thread.

And hearing Kevin Sheehan report it on Triple X is not "official." Reading a PR release from the Redskins is "official." A link to ESPN with the details of the offer would come close.

[LATrueRedskin]

Great that we want to hire a DC and an OC, then think about a head coach. *takes a LOOOOOOOOOONG belt from my flask*

Yeah, seriously. I laughed at Dallas when they did it last year, yet here we are. What a joke this process has turned out to be.

[hogs86]

With the rumors of Ryan wanting a HC position and the probability that Zorn could have the OC position in Seattle next year, I wonder if Snyder is hedging on Fassel, because he was fully expecting to elevate Ryan or Zorn in a couple years and now his hand is being forced and he may hire one of them (Ryan or Zorn) for the head job?



This is what i think may happened also. Comcast sports said Zorn was on a plane back to Seattle and will not take the skins job. Chris Mortensen from ESPN says another thing.

[PennSkinsFan]

I think it is one cluster * censored by Spence*. This whole ordeal is really make the organizatio look incompetnet and humiliating the fan base. This is you new Snyder/Cerrato fornt office.

[akhhorus]

I think it is one cluster * censored by Spence*. This whole ordeal is really make the organizatio look incompetnet and humiliating the fan base. This is you new Snyder/Cerrato fornt office.

Maybe if I stay drunk enough, it will go by faster.

[PennSkinsFan]

Seems there are some reports out there that the Redskisn fans may have put the Fassel hiring on delay. The outcry of fans board liek this, CPND, ES and others have rang loudly in disapporval, and suddenly the Redskisn fornt office is backing away. Interesting.

[akhhorus]

Is it possible to go forward from here without a thousand threads declaring one thing or another with no "official" statement?

Until a coach is named, there are going to be rumors-a-plenty, and I think it does nothing but cause mass confusion to post a thread saying that Fassel, or whomever, is for sure the head coach, when there is no "official" statement linked to that thread.

And hearing Kevin Sheehan report it on Triple X is not "official." Reading a PR release from the Redskins is "official." A link to ESPN with the details of the offer would come close.

I believe the thread on Fassel this afternoon called it a "report" in the title.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I never thought I'd say this but maybe the cardinals have more competent ownership than we do...

[redskin_rich]

Flip a freakin' coin, Danny! Or pull a name out of a hat. I trust the random more than the "decision makers" right now.

[hogs86]

Did anyone else just catch ESPN sports center now they are saying Fassel will be hired ?? My head is spinning. Hopefully we can get some clarity. Can anyone else 2nd this ??

[akhhorus]

Did anyone else just catch ESPN sports center now they are saying Fassel will be hired ?? My head is spinning. Hopefully we can get some clarity. Can anyone else 2nd this ??

http://www.monty-pythons.com/album/Episode_09/07-gumby-crooner.jpg

My brain hurts.

[WarEagle]

Maybe Danny withdrew the verbal offer after Fassel leaked it to ESPN. The scenario is unlikely, but deals blow-up because of stuff like this. I mean, Dan has to call the 100 people he's interviewed for the job who weren't selected, before the formal announcement, so a leak like this is a real killer.

[GibbsFan]

This is the best news in a dog's age!

[hogs86]

http://www.monty-pythons.com/album/Episode_09/07-gumby-crooner.jpg

My brain hurts.


Thanks i need that. LOL

[redskin_rich]

Maybe Danny withdrew the verbal offer after Fassel leaked it to ESPN. The scenario is unlikely, but deals blow-up because of stuff like this. I mean, Dan has to call the 100 people he's interviewed for the job who weren't selected, before the formal announcement, so a leak like this is a real killer.
I'm sure every potential candidate knows exactly what is going on or close to it and definitely more so than the press and us. They have agents who seed half these rumors, keeping them informed.

[hogs86]

I'm sure every potential candidate knows exactly what is going on or close to it and definitely more so than the press and us. They have agents who seed half these rumors, keeping them informed.


Maybe Jerry Jones is feeding false info to the press. He is setting back at his desk with his feet on top of the desk and telling his secretary get ESPN on the phone...... now get that guy from the Washington Post and why you are at it make me an account on that redskins website HAILREDSKINS.COM. Man i am going to have some fun...........

[skinsfan36]

what a frickin mess

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I gotta tell you, I'm getting annoyed. I joked around a lot today with the feeling that it would be settled by tonight. But now its reached the level of the absurd. I can't even defend what's going on anymore to non-fans of this team.

If you want to wait for Spags, then say that, and don't tell everyone who will listen that you will make a "quick decision". They talk too much. I am terrible at poker, but I know even I I could take Vinny and Danny for a ton.

Our FO stinks!

[skinsfan36]

maybe we reflect and interview grimm and hire him we can only hope

[KidBroSweets]

This is SO annoying LOL....my goodness


only the redskins

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Here's another thing that bothers me about this process. It seems clear, Snyder wants Fassel with a named DC (Ryan) and a named OC (Zorn). Why? If you want Fassel, hire him. Whatever, we'll deal with it. Then go after Rex and Zorn and have plan B if those two don't work. Why does it seem to be all or nothing? That inspires no confidence in Fassel (the face of the franchise).

Our FO stinks!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

And another thing. Where is the smart salesmanship in Snyder? Why not sell us on Fassel and name him now without the coordinators. If that's who you want as face of the franchise, why not hold the big press conference, stand up at the podium and say this is the guy to finish the job that Gibbs started. Sell us, and maybe then the fans won't freak out so much.

Have I mentioned our FO stinks!

[KidBroSweets]

Thing is though....Snyder hasnt come out and said anything about Fassel. Its really not Dan's fault. This is just speculation of the media. All we know for sure if Fassel interviewed for a 2nd time. The media takes this stuff and runs with it.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Thing is though....Snyder hasnt come out and said anything about Fassel. Its really not Dan's fault. This is just speculation of the media. All we know for sure if Fassel interviewed for a 2nd time. The media takes this stuff and runs with it.

Yes, but you can read between the lines from the interviews with Rex and Zorn. Snyder was clearly leaning in one direction enough to attempt to assemble a staff that all has ties to Fassel.

[KidBroSweets]

Yes, but you can read between the lines from the interviews with Rex and Zorn. Snyder was clearly leaning in one direction enough to attempt to assemble a staff that all has ties to Fassel.

I dunno man....I definitely see what youre saying, but we dont know that for sure. What if he wanted Zorn either way as his OC? He could have wanted him for Gregg or Jim...I dunno. Has he interviewed Ryan??? I havent heard that.

Also, Fassel still could be the favorite. No one is saying he isnt. He just hasnt been offered the job yet. That could come tomorrow.

[joethefan]

this is fun...I love it...better than talking about the Giants and New England

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I dunno man....I definitely see what youre saying, but we dont know that for sure. What if he wanted Zorn either way as his OC? He could have wanted him for Gregg or Jim...I dunno. Has he interviewed Ryan??? I havent heard that.

Also, Fassel still could be the favorite. No one is saying he isnt. He just hasnt been offered the job yet. That could come tomorrow.

To me, it would be a welcome relief for him to either hire someone tomorrow or make a statement that he is broadening the list of candidates for HC (not OC or DC), and is ready to carry on the search to teams involved in the SB.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

this is fun...I love it...better than talking about the Giants and New England

Totally agree there.

[bigcmr]

The saga continues...

[KidBroSweets]

To me, it would be a welcome relief for him to either hire someone tomorrow or make a statement that he is broadening the list of candidates for HC (not OC or DC), and is ready to carry on the search to teams involved in the SB.

Yeah, seriously, lets get someone in here.

I got an idea....lets see if we can get Pete Carroll.

[FunBunch5]

Yeah, seriously, lets get someone in here.

I got an idea....lets see if we can get Pete Carroll.

Please no Pete Carroll. No more college coaches. Carroll had his chance at the NFL twice and both times he made the team mediocre. I don't think he ever got to the playoffs..

[KidBroSweets]

Please no Pete Carroll. No more college coaches. Carroll had his chance at the NFL twice and both times he made the team mediocre. I don't think he ever got to the playoffs..

He got to the playoffs with NE. My post was kinda sarcastic...but I do like Pete. Why not? We're the Redskins....we have nothing to lose. Nothing has ever worked.

[redskin_rich]

He got to the playoffs with NE. My post was kinda sarcastic...but I do like Pete. Why not? We're the Redskins....we have nothing to lose. Nothing has ever worked.
Carroll sucks worse than anyone that has already been mentioned, even GW, IMO.

If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been a Skins fan?

[joethefan]

carroll said on the nfl network earlier today the senior bowl was the closest he will come to the nfl ...

[ChapelHillMatt]

Please no Pete Carroll. No more college coaches. Carroll had his chance at the NFL twice and both times he made the team mediocre. I don't think he ever got to the playoffs..

Agreed, hopefully we learned our lesson the first time. No college coaches, period!

Seriously though just hire Fassel and get it over with....obviously Gregg isn't the choice. He hasn't spoken to Dan in a week per comcast so it's going to be Fassel. Just hire him already, we have a draft to get ready for.

[joethefan]

This is soo funny ..I feel like we have all been called to the principals office and are waiting on the edge of our chairs...LOL

[GibbsFan]

its a mystery to me why anyone would think Fassel could last in DC

He is Norvall's clone -1. Norv is actually a better play caller. Please call anyone else, even Carroll. Man, I was not that worried when Joe first stepped down but I can't sleep now. I keep waking up to nightmares of 0-16 with the kool aid that everyone seems to be drinking

[joethefan]

its a mystery to me why anyone would think Fassel could last in DC

He is Norvall's clone -1. Norv is actually a better play caller. Please call anyone else, even Carroll. Man, I was not that worried when Joe first stepped down but I can't sleep now. I keep waking up to nightmares of 0-16 with the kool aid that everyone seems to be drinking

first of all, Fassel may not be your type of coach, but at least he did take a team to the SB, he's always coached well with mediocre talent. I'm not promoting the guy, but at least you'll hear somethhing different in a press conference....as opposed to "were all in it together, it's on me and they fought their guts out"....


IMO it doesn't matter who danny brings in, many of you will still be critical while you should have been critical when Samuels was getting beat and the defense couldn't stop anyone. I'm not talking to those who have been in the mix, but to those who just wanna be critical for the sake of it, you should hold your horses...he just may come in and do a half decent job, if he's the one selected

[greatest2]

And this is what the nfl thinks about the redskins: :lol3:



i hope he doesn't get the job. i still am hoping for the williams for HC, and Saunders stays for a make or break year. but it certainly looks like that scenario is slim at best.

[GibbsFan]

first of all, Fassel may not be your type of coach, but at least he did take a team to the SB, he's always coached well with mediocre talent. I'm not promoting the guy, but at least you'll hear somethhing different in a press conference....as opposed to "were all in it together, it's on me and they fought their guts out"....


IMO it doesn't matter who danny brings in, many of you will still be critical while you should have been critical when Samuels was getting beat and the defense couldn't stop anyone. I'm not talking to those who have been in the mix, but to those who just wanna be craitical for the sake of it, you should hold your horses...he just may come in and do a half decent job.

Too many nights of listening to the FAN while driving a Truck I guess. But I differ because George Young was one of the best GM's in the game. They did get to the Superbowl, but most of his years were spent scrambling the team on a late run for the playoffs to save his job.

Those Giant teams had some better talent on both lines than we do. So I think with our current FO Fassel would have little if any chance at success.

The future is now. The playoffs would be in reach next year with some minor tweaks. Fassel is not a minor tweak. He is change in direction. We will find no competition for his services as Head Coach. Why not Billick? he actually won a SB. Fassel had some late season gimmes one of which came courtesy of Norv that propelled him to the SB run. The 9-7 game, also the 7-7 debacle of 97 where Westbrook and Gus tried to out bonehead each other.

If the change direction was to include a change in personnel aquisition that I would be fine with him. We take our lumps for a few years rebuild through the draft and get a real coach and a sustainable future. But I don't see it happening with Vinny, and Fassel will just be the scapegoat while the process repats itself over and over. JMO :banghead:

[Santheb]

And this is what the nfl thinks about the redskins: :lol3:



i hope he doesn't get the job. i still am hoping for the williams for HC, and Saunders stays for a make or break year. but it certainly looks like that scenario is slim at best.

This is what I'm hoping for as well. In my opinion, Gregg was the easiest choice. You keep him, remove the "Associate" and "Defense" from his title and make him "Head Coach." Let Saunders play with the offense, Gregg deal with the defense, kind of like last year, except Gregg would be making the big boy decisions.

It would've made too much sense for Snyder to do so, though.

[Biggie]

The future is now. The playoffs would be in reach next year with some minor tweaks. Fassel is not a minor tweak. He is change in direction. We will find no competition for his services as Head Coach. Why not Billick? he actually won a SB. Fassel had some late season gimmes one of which came courtesy of Norv that propelled him to the SB run. The 9-7 game, also the 7-7 debacle of 97 where Westbrook and Gus tried to out bonehead each other.
I'm sorry, but I stopped reading your post right there.

[GibbsFan]

I'm sorry, but I stopped reading your post right there.

hey Billick sks no doubt but the point is you could flip coin for the difference on who is better when compared with Fassel.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

hey Billick sks no doubt but the point is you could flip coin for the difference on who is better when compared with Fassel.
Well, I'm not really excited about Fassel, but there are few coaches that I would dislike more than Billick. As an O genius, Baltimore under him was a team that just could defend.

[joethefan]

Well, I'm not really excited about Fassel, but there are few coaches that I would dislike more than Billick. As an O genius, Baltimore under him was a team that just could defend.


well danny did do one great thing...nt return billik's call...

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

well danny did do one great thing...nt return billik's call...
Well, at least he has done one in the last 2 weeks, lol.

[joethefan]

Well, at least he has done one in the last 2 weeks, lol.

I love it, just says that our offseason won't be boring.....Whoo-Hoo!!

[smoak]

Streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch.

Yeah, this is simply Danny trying to control the way this is presented. He needs time to set up the trophies and prep for the news conference. Sigh.

We're a joke.

[Jon Creveling]

Such high drama, who knows where it leads? A question for the G.W. backers, do you think the f.o. has burnt bridges with him (in his mind) and he will not accept the job even if offered? Trying to keep an open mind on the "who" right now.

[smoak]

Such high drama, who knows where it leads? A question for the G.W. backers, do you think the f.o. has burnt bridges with him (in his mind) and he will not accept the job even if offered? Trying to keep an open mind on the "who" right now.

I personally don't want Gregg as a DC. My thought was that as a HC, he could channel the emotion that is going to carry into next season. This is Gibbs' team, and I believe they are capable of taking that next step... Plus, while I am positive that GW would be involved with the D, having fresh blood there would have helped IMO...

Now? With a new HC, I'd rather GW was gone. It isn't like I was a huge fan of him but rather saw him as the easiest path to continuity.

Lets blow it up and slowly start to build a Fassel team.

[joethefan]

I personally don't want Gregg as a DC. My thought was that as a HC, he could channel the emotion that is going to carry into next season. This is Gibbs' team, and I believe they are capable of taking that next step... Plus, while I am positive that GW would be involved with the D, having fresh blood there would have helped IMO...

Now? With a new HC, I'd rather GW was gone. It isn't like I was a huge fan of him but rather saw him as the easiest path to continuity.

Lets blow it up and slowly start to build a Fassel team.

so i see you're heading to the dark side..Luke:D

[smoak]

so i see you're heading to the dark side..Luke:D

Darker than you could ever imagine. I'll spend the offseason in my basement with the real head coaches of this team... Jim and Jack.

[Jon Creveling]

It isn't like I was a huge fan of him but rather saw him as the easiest path to continuity.

Lets blow it up and slowly start to build a Fassel team.

What you said Smoak in the Qoute to me is an outward sign that just maybe for once Dan is feed up with the Wing-It mentality that has been his trademark and for once and for all has decided to take his time and actually try and realy build a true solid team. G.W. I have said all along just may have been the perfect coach to Wing-it next year vs the NFC as we now know it (or atleast as far as the Dan/Vin combo has it sized up!:)) but maybe for once he's trying to look deeper than next year?:) I know ,I know wishfull thinking, but just maybe his thinking now is lets take the time, bite the bullet and build the right way for long term success? For once lets try and make this team a true powerhouse over the next few years rather than this damn wing-it mentality. I'm very much openminded to Fassel, but I think Dan should be straightforward when and if he signs him that the new plan is take the time to realy build this team now when there is no one else in the NFC to be called a true powerhouse. Do it now don't wait. I'd take this hiring as he has learned some kind of patience over just opening the checkbook. It may be like I said wishfull thinking on my part. PS Part of me hopes that if in fact Jim is hired that just maybe he comes in very hungry having been feeling jilted by the NFL for a HC position and scapegoating with Balt.

[Smiley]

Dan Snyder leaked this on purpose and thankfully the fans reacted with disdain, at least most of us. Hail!!

[CNYSkinFan]

Dan Snyder leaked this on purpose and thankfully the fans reacted with disdain, at least most of us. Hail!!
if you really think that Snyder changed a HC decision on fan reaction then I don't knwo what to tell ypou. What is more likely is that the deals for Zorn and Ryan have fallen apart (as is being rumored, Zorn is going to get countered by Seattle and Ryan is going to be denied permission to leave by Baltimore) so now the whole package has to be dedided on.

[KidBroSweets]

Carroll sucks worse than anyone that has already been mentioned, even GW, IMO.

If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been a Skins fan?

Whats that supposed to mean?

When I say nothing has ever worked....obviously I mean since 92. Dont be silly.

The Pete Carroll post was sarcastic like I said.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

if you really think that Snyder changed a HC decision on fan reaction then I don't knwo what to tell ypou. What is more likely is that the deals for Zorn and Ryan have fallen apart (as is being rumored, Zorn is going to get countered by Seattle and Ryan is going to be denied permission to leave by Baltimore) so now the whole package has to be dedided on.

I totally agree. But scary that we only get this HC if we get this coordinators and maybe a different HC if we don't get these coordinators. This is no way to pick a HC.

[redskin_rich]

Whats that supposed to mean?

When I say nothing has ever worked....obviously I mean since 92. Dont be silly.

The Pete Carroll post was sarcastic like I said.You keep jumping from one coach to another and your comment about the Skins always being bad or whatever. Thats what I was referring to. I wasn't trying to insult you or be silly, as you say.

[KidBroSweets]

You keep jumping from one coach to another and your comment about the Skins always being bad or whatever. Thats what I was referring to. I wasn't trying to insult you or be silly, as you say.

Ok, well Pete Carroll was sarcastic like I said. Jim Fassel is not my first choice but like Ive said....I wouldnt mind him. I like Schwartz and Gregg both. Those are my top choices and Ive said that repeatedly. Jump from coach to coach??? As far as me always commenting about the Skins being bad....lol thats not true. Ive made like 2 posts regarding our failures. Oh...and we are always bad.

[skin4ever]

I wont believe this denial until the skins hire someone else, this organization has had a history of lying since DS took over.

[smoak]

I wont believe this denial until the skins hire someone else, this organization has had a history of lying since DS took over.

And Fassell will fit right into that mold. Reportedly (Washington Times article, but I am too lazy to pull the link) he was asked straight out if the Redskins had talked him about any opening and he said absolutely not.

:rolleyes:

The one plus side if we fail for the next 10-15 years is maybe we'll get a new owner and win again before I die.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

And Fassell will fit right into that mold. Reportedly (Washington Times article, but I am too lazy to pull the link) he was asked straight out if the Redskins had talked him about any opening and he said absolutely not.

:rolleyes:

The one plus side if we fail for the next 10-15 years is maybe we'll get a new owner and win again before I die.
You know what? That may actually be true. Danny and Vinny might have decided to hire Fassel as the new HC and not informed him of the decision.

[akhhorus]

You know what? That may actually be true. Danny and Vinny might have decided to hire Fassel as the new HC and not informed him of the decision.

"he can't leak to the media about how badly we run the team if he doesn't know he's the coach...."

[skin4ever]

And Fassell will fit right into that mold. Reportedly (Washington Times article, but I am too lazy to pull the link) he was asked straight out if the Redskins had talked him about any opening and he said absolutely not.

:rolleyes:

The one plus side if we fail for the next 10-15 years is maybe we'll get a new owner and win again before I die.

did you agree with me?

[HAWGZHEAD]

We always say one thing and do the other. This new info probably confirms he has already been hired.

[JsMaViSd]

im just suprised danny has thrown out a 2nd round pick for Ryan yet

[Spence]

The Redskins are one of the most storied franchises in the history of the NFL. They have an incredibly loyal fan base, the biggest stadium in the NFL and rich ownership willing to spend whatever possible to win a title. And they can’t hire a coach. It’s pathetic.
Clueless in Washington (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=390)

[shally]

we might yet see spagnuolo back in play

right now, we are the only possible for him as HC, so he might put some pressure on the giants to let him interview

[SkinsfaninNJ]

JLC added to his blog what I tried to get across last night in my rambling posts.

Because of Danny's waffling, we are now in a major position of weakness.

1. If he brings in Fassel now, he can't sell it to the fans or anyone else for that matter. If he did it a week ago instead of waiting on the coordinators, he would have had more support. People may have disagreed, but if he was named shortly after becoming the mystery candidate, they could have talked about having an experienced guy with a good track record would keep stability of what Gibbs started rather than letting an inexperienced coach learn on the job.

2. If he hires GW, what GW are we getting and would he accept? He can't be thrilled with coaching this team next year since Danny has done everything in his power to replace him.

3. If he waits until after the SB, would Spags or the NE guy even want this job after the cluster F of this week?

The HC of the Redskins should be one of the most prominent jobs in all the land like center field for the Yankees. It used to be a great honor to get the job, and it would take a very valid reason not to accept. In a few short weeks, Danny has undone all of it. He could have avoided it by just making a decision on the HC and then going after the coordinators. So sad.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

we might yet see spagnuolo back in play

right now, we are the only possible for him as HC, so he might put some pressure on the giants to let him interview

Why would Spags put pressure on the Giants to let him interview. Can we really offer him something so much better than what he's doing now?

And by the way, why does he have to rush to us. He has all the power in the equation. I can't believe I'm about to type this, but I hope they win the SB and he tells Snyder he will interview but not until after the parade and not until his kid's birthday party and anything else he has planned. Maybe it will teach Snyder a lesson.

[CNYSkinFan]

this is all prelude to Schotty coming back (ducks as brick is thrown by RR)

[GWBlitzST]

Let's just not have a coach next year. It will be a Longest Yard situation, and might be the most productive alternative.

[smoak]

You know what? That may actually be true. Danny and Vinny might have decided to hire Fassel as the new HC and not informed him of the decision.

The oproblem is that he was only asked if he interviewed/met/discussed a position with the Redskins.

This is even darker than the Spurrier era. We're wretchedly dysfunctional. I think we are all going to look back on Gibbs II like it was the Super Bowl compared to what is coming... No matter what you think of Gibbs, he was the filter. He was the check that kept DS and VC (or VD) in line...

AND HE IS GONE.

[smoak]

Let's just not have a coach next year. It will be a Longest Yard situation, and might be the most productive alternative.

I actually think you have soething there. Let the inmates run the asylum.... It can't get worse.

[RoanokeSkin]

Let's just not have a coach next year. It will be a Longest Yard situation, and might be the most productive alternative.

Im with you... London Fletcher as MLB/Head Coach.

[smoak]

did you agree with me?

It think so, but I don't even know any more b/c I am so miserable.

[CNYSkinFan]

The oproblem is that he was only asked if he interviewed/met/discussed a position with the Redskins.

This is even darker than the Spurrier era. We're wretchedly dysfunctional. I think we are all going to look back on Gibbs II like it was the Super Bowl compared to what is coming... No matter what you think of Gibbs, he was the filter. He was the check that kept DS and VC (or VD) in line...

AND HE IS GONE.
yeo...the nightmare is here.....

This is why I wanted at least one more year out of Gibbs...because I wanted to forestall this. No hope of GM, Continuity, real plan, nothing

[redskin_rich]

this is all prelude to Schotty coming back (ducks as brick is thrown by RR)
The train wreck this whole hiring process has become has taken away any worries I had over who the coach is.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

this is all prelude to Schotty coming back (ducks as brick is thrown by RR)

After was has happened this week, I would accept Shottenheimer with open arms.

[CNYSkinFan]

After was has happened this week, I would accept Shottenheimer with open arms.
Schotty will only come back if he can get in his contract one free pundch at Vinny per day

[golongdude]

The train wreck this whole hiring process has become has taken away any worries I had over who the coach is.

Man, I recognize the Skins and Orioles are supposed to represent two different cities, but they are SO freakin' alike in dysfunctional leadership that I can't separate them. They are like twin brothers.

Gibbs leaves and this place falls into a world of crap. Well, I'll say this - I never for the LIFE of me could figure out how things could ever work out with Saunders and Williams when Gibbs would leave. And I feel like I had that about right. Big ol' egos, and it isn't going anywhere but the toilet.

Snyder is a terrible visionary. As is Angelos. And that is why the two organizations are like mirrors of each other from a leadership standpoint. Take Gibbs out and the Redskins have been pure crap for a long f'n time. Pot, meet kettle.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

The train wreck this whole hiring process has become has taken away any worries I had over who the coach is.

This is exactly how I feel. They could announce Krusty the Clown or Miss Piggy or even worse Vinny Cerrato as the new Head Coach and I wouldn't be angry or worried or surprised. I would just be like "Oh,ok".

[lidocaine]

VERY! I would get more accomplished by looking at European vampire porn ...

link plz

[skinfanjon]

Can you imagine what the players must be thinking right now???

[MONK_in_HOF]

Man, I recognize the Skins and Orioles are supposed to represent two different cities, but they are SO freakin' alike in dysfunctional leadership that I can't separate them. They are like twin brothers.

Gibbs leaves and this place falls into a world of crap. Well, I'll say this - I never for the LIFE of me could figure out how things could ever work out with Saunders and Williams when Gibbs would leave. And I feel like I had that about right. Big ol' egos, and it isn't going anywhere but the toilet.

Snyder is a terrible visionary. As is Angelos. And that is why the two organizations are like mirrors of each other from a leadership standpoint. Take Gibbs out and the Redskins have been pure crap for a long f'n time. Pot, meet kettle.

Angelos and Snyder would be better off if they switched teams and or leagues. Snyder would be sure to succeed in a league that doesn't limit spending, whereas Angelos and his more cautious, frugal approach might have saved the Skins from some terrible moves made. Regardless of difference in approach and philosophy, these two really are similar in the way their dysfunctional ownership tactics have turned once proud organizations into laughing stocks.

[Red Bear]

a lot of you are worrying way too much over this. whoever is hired, we have to live with them as coach for an unforseeable amount of time anyways, no need to wreck your brains or fall into all the hype of the moment. and ultimately, who knows but the new coach could end up working out for the better

[Warpath23]

Thank God! What ever happened to Russ Grimm? Is he not qualified?

[golongdude]

Angelos and Snyder would be better off if they switched teams and or leagues. Snyder would be sure to succeed in a league that doesn't limit spending, whereas Angelos and his more cautious, frugal approach might have saved the Skins from some terrible moves made. Regardless of difference in approach and philosophy, these two really are similar in the way their dysfunctional ownership tactics have turned once proud organizations into laughing stocks.

An interesting angle.

What the two of them have in common is a serious sense of making money - Snyder via marketing, Angelos via the legal system.

They share one other thing - they have shown little ability to gauge the effectiveness of personnel for coaching and organizational building.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

a lot of you are worrying way too much over this. whoever is hired, we have to live with them as coach for an unforseeable amount of time anyways, no need to wreck your brains or fall into all the hype of the moment. and ultimately, who knows but the new coach could end up working out for the better

Its not the coach as much as it is the process that is troubling, which probably means long term failure. Even if we win, we will probably be winning despite our FO.

[Red Bear]

Its not the coach as much as it is the process that is troubling, which probably means long term failure. Even if we win, we will probably be winning despite our FO.

the process shouldnt be bothering anyone either. no one here has ever hired a head coach so i doubt they would know what to do anymore than what the redskins are currently doing. i guess people would rather just hire someone without an interview at all :confused:

i think the problem is when someones interviewed most fans seem to automatically assume that the interviewed person will get the job and start going bonkos over how they dont like it. if you want to blame anyone or be mad at anyone for this coaching search process, then blame joe gibbs for resigning after he firmly stated year after year he was going to fulfill his 5 year contract. him leaving a year early with no sign or hint to snyder that he would be leaving left us in this situation of being unprepared to find a new HC...

[colkurtz]

The real nightmare here is that it could sour BOTH Williams and Fassel toward this franchise. The only thing keeping them in the game is that they are both desperate for a HC position.

Williams is just hanging in the wind - with a "we'll hire you if our #1 choice doesn't work out"

Fassel is now in a different scenario - same result - "we're only interested in you if you're part of a package deal with a DC or OC that we pick for you"; "also the fans hate you"

This buffonery just helps this franchise down in that lower purgatory of teams (like Oakland, SF, Arizona) that have some huge ball and chain that makes them unattractive to the normal player or coach.

That is unless you just want a big paycheck for a half-baked effort.

[CNYSkinFan]

It could be worse....Snyder could be talking to Deion

[colkurtz]

It could be worse....Snyder could be talking to Deion

"Let's bring in Jeff George to be the leader and #1 QB for this team". At least Deion lasted a whole season!

[fent]

just get it over with and make Ryan the HC for crying out loud...

[SkinsfaninNJ]

The real nightmare here is that it could sour BOTH Williams and Fassel toward this franchise. The only thing keeping them in the game is that they are both desperate for a HC position.

Williams is just hanging in the wind - with a "we'll hire you if our #1 choice doesn't work out"

Fassel is now in a different scenario - same result - "we're only interested in you if you're part of a package deal with a DC or OC that we pick for you"; "also the fans hate you"

This buffonery just helps this franchise down in that lower purgatory of teams (like Oakland, SF, Arizona) that have some huge ball and chain that makes them unattractive to the normal player or coach.

That is unless you just want a big paycheck for a half-baked effort.
My fear is that we are already past could. If we're not, we're getting really close.

[fent]

i hear this guy's looking for a job.

http://johnstodderinexile.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/allen-football.jpg

[SkinsfaninNJ]

the process shouldnt be bothering anyone either. no one here has ever hired a head coach so i doubt they would know what to do anymore than what the redskins are currently doing. i guess people would rather just hire someone without an interview at all :confused:

i think the problem is when someones interviewed most fans seem to automatically assume that the interviewed person will get the job and start going bonkos over how they dont like it. if you want to blame anyone or be mad at anyone for this coaching search process, then blame joe gibbs for resigning after he firmly stated year after year he was going to fulfill his 5 year contract. him leaving a year early with no sign or hint to snyder that he would be leaving left us in this situation of being unprepared to find a new HC...

You don't find anything about this process bothersome? Why is he worried about package deals? Why can't he pick the HC first and then worry about the coordinators. If the answer is this guy is not the right coach without these coordinators, then he's not the right coach at all.

I don't care if he interview until after the SB, and I am all for an exhaustive search with many candidates, but he needs to be focussed on the HC as the face of the franchise and the man to lead this team going forward and forget the cute package deals he's trying to broker.

[shally]

just get it over with and make Ryan the HC for crying out loud...

not the worst option.. but he is going nowhere for now

[smoak]

link plz

It it too bad to post... I'd have to PM you...

Or introduce you to Spicy.