John Clayton coming up on ESPNEWS [Archive] - hailRedskins.com Fan Board

ChapelHillMatt

01-27-2008, 03:27 PM

Looks like Fassel...I think I'd rather it be him if he's signed off on these coaches. It makes more sense as to why we have done what we have done. If it's Spags then that opens up another can of worms we probably don't want to deal with.

HAWGZHEAD

01-27-2008, 03:28 PM

So are we not interviewing any minority candidates, or did I miss something?

Syllable

01-27-2008, 03:29 PM

Why after the super bowl if Fassel is the guy we are aiming for?

TrueOracle

01-27-2008, 03:37 PM

So are we not interviewing any minority candidates, or did I miss something?

Meeks from Indianapolis was interviewed already.

HAWGZHEAD

01-27-2008, 03:39 PM

Meeks from Indianapolis was interviewed already.
Thanks, I guess i did miss something lol.

akhhorus

01-27-2008, 03:40 PM

Grog believes it when Grog sees it. Clayton was also saying how Wiilliams was a lock for the job even when we were interviewing Mora and Fassel.

Syllable

01-27-2008, 03:57 PM

Grog believes it when Grog sees it. Clayton was also saying how Wiilliams was a lock for the job even when we were interviewing Mora and Fassel.

Clayton and Mort seem to have little clue when it comes to Coaching changes tbh. And I am not just talking about the Redskins.

Hrabanmaur

01-27-2008, 04:04 PM

Clayton and Mort seem to have little clue when it comes to Coaching changes tbh. And I am not just talking about the Redskins.

Agreed. Their credibility as "journalists" has been destroyed over the last couple of years. For ESPN supposedly being the world leader in sporting news, their standards are shockingly low. Imagine if they were held to the same standards as Dan Rather?

I don't buy that Fassel is the man because there's no reason to wait to anoint him. It could happen, but only if Spags and/or McDaniels are horrible.

Syllable

01-27-2008, 04:06 PM

Agreed. Their credibility as "journalists" has been destroyed over the last couple of years. For ESPN supposedly being the world leader in sporting news, their standards are shockingly low. Imagine if they were held to the same standards as Dan Rather?

I don't buy that Fassel is the man because there's no reason to wait to anoint him. It could happen, but only if Spags and/or McDaniels are horrible.

I wouldn't go that far, it is their job to give these rumors and their input on predictions, but you can't fault them for this.

akhhorus

01-27-2008, 04:12 PM

I wouldn't go that far, it is their job to give these rumors and their input on predictions, but you can't fault them for this.

Their problem is that their sources have agendas of their own. Lenny P is the poster boy for this in the realm of the NFL, he's a shill for a couple agents. The problem is when Mort/Clayton/whomever hear from one source that Team A wants to hire Coach X, and since the source already poisoned some other sources of Mort's/etc, Mort calls to confirm and thinks he has confirmation.

smoak

01-27-2008, 04:16 PM

Their problem is that their sources have agendas of their own. Lenny P is the poster boy for this in the realm of the NFL, he's a shill for a couple agents. The problem is when Mort/Clayton/whomever hear from one source that Team A wants to hire Coach X, and since the source already poisoned some other sources of Mort's/etc, Mort calls to confirm and thinks he has confirmation.

Yeah integrity was flushed at ESPN years ago... I really don't watch any more.

Syllable

01-27-2008, 04:16 PM

Their problem is that their sources have agendas of their own. Lenny P is the poster boy for this in the realm of the NFL, he's a shill for a couple agents. The problem is when Mort/Clayton/whomever hear from one source that Team A wants to hire Coach X, and since the source already poisoned some other sources of Mort's/etc, Mort calls to confirm and thinks he has confirmation.

I wish I could find the article that I was reading a couple weeks ago, but it was saying something like Clayton/Mort/ and some Scouts Inc. people all share the same sources for job security reasons.

akhhorus

01-27-2008, 04:18 PM

Yeah integrity was flushed at ESPN years ago... I really don't watch any more.

The best probably still is ProFootballWeekly. Profootballtalk, despite some notable misses, is still much more accurate than any of the big sports media sites. Jay Glazer also does great work for Fox imo.

SkinKing

01-27-2008, 04:29 PM

The best probably still is ProFootballWeekly. Profootballtalk, despite some notable misses, is still much more accurate than any of the big sports media sites. Jay Glazer also does great work for Fox imo.

Why don't you take this stupid Gregg Williams joke off your signature. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have made the 2 playoff appearances that we did. Show some respect, especially if your the staff writer.

akhhorus

01-27-2008, 04:32 PM

Why don't you take this stupid Gregg Williams joke off your signature. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have made the 2 playoff appearances that we did. Show some respect, especially if your the staff writer.

Opinion noted. I respect him for what he did sometimes, but condemn him for a lot of what he failed to do or horribly botched.

SkinKing

01-27-2008, 04:36 PM

Opinion noted. I respect him for what he did sometimes, but condemn him for a lot of what he failed to do or horribly botched.

You act like he was a cancer on the team. So I guess this means you agree with every decision Gibbs made? Cause I don't see you bashing him. We didn't lose games cause of our defense, it was because of our lack of offense in 4 years. Williams did a great job for the lack of talent that we had. Sure everyone questions decisions made by him, but overall he did a wonderful job. Just ask the players that played under this man. They respect the hell out of him, so should you.

Hrabanmaur

01-27-2008, 04:45 PM

Williams did a great job for the lack of talent that we had.

Lack of talent? I don't see that as being the defense's problems the last few years. The only area you can look to is the RE position as lacking talent and maybe the MLB under Marshall (which by the way was GW's decision to promote and support). Even Archuleta, who was a complete bust, had some raw talent. It just didn't get utilized properly.

akhhorus

01-27-2008, 04:49 PM

You act like he was a cancer on the team. So I guess this means you agree with every decision Gibbs made? Cause I don't see you bashing him.

I actually said that Gibbs didn't deserve an extension(and agreed with Keino that Gibbs/Williams both needed to go) when that issue came up before the end of the season.

We didn't lose games cause of our defense, it was because of our lack of offense in 4 years.

In 2004, you're right. In 2005, they won with harmony from both sides. In 2006, the defense was nothing short of a total disaster. In 2007, the defense lost more games(and nearly blew wins) than the offense failed to.

Williams did a great job for the lack of talent that we had.

Lack of talent? ROTFLMAO. The first pick for the last 4 drafts were defenders, the defense got far more free agent money invested in it than the offense did.

Sure everyone questions decisions made by him, but overall he did a wonderful job.

Thats your opinion, and for the first two years, you're semi-right. But the Williams of 2006 and 2007 was not the same Williams from 2004 and 2005.

Just ask the players that played under this man. They respect the hell out of him, so should you.

When was the last time you heard a player bad mouth a coach publicly as a "jerk" or something?

greatest2

01-27-2008, 04:54 PM

You act like he was a cancer on the team. So I guess this means you agree with every decision Gibbs made? Cause I don't see you bashing him. We didn't lose games cause of our defense, it was because of our lack of offense in 4 years. Williams did a great job for the lack of talent that we had. Sure everyone questions decisions made by him, but overall he did a wonderful job. Just ask the players that played under this man. They respect the hell out of him, so should you.

its his opinion, and he is free to share it, even if you don't agree with it. I don't think it is right to tell people what to do, that is why its america.

i may not agree with ak, but he is entitled to his opinion and free to express it just as you or i can.

ChapelHillMatt

01-27-2008, 05:03 PM

Why don't you take this stupid Gregg Williams joke off your signature. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have made the 2 playoff appearances that we did. Show some respect, especially if your the staff writer.

I agree, not sure I see the point in kicking a man while he's down.

Gregg did a very good job here, sometimes you don't know what you had until it's gone....hope that isn't the case here but it very well could be. Gregg is a good coach, someone will be lucky to get him.

MWballer

01-27-2008, 05:39 PM

Y are ppl so sensitive about Williams???? I didn't want him to be the coach and found Akh sig pretty funny. Anyway...

I don't buy Fassel being the HC as many have pointed out Snyder is aware of the harsh fan reaction to a Fassel hire and if he's the man why are we waiting until after the super bowl?

Biggie

01-27-2008, 05:43 PM

I, for one, think akh's sig is hilarious. And true. Gregg's defenses were great on paper, but if any of you saw the same games I did, left a lot to be desired.

shally

01-27-2008, 05:55 PM

Grog believes it when Grog sees it. Clayton was also saying how Wiilliams was a lock for the job even when we were interviewing Mora and Fassel.

i agree.. there is ZERO reason why fassel could not be announced right now if he was the choice.

--- he could get the jump on a few more assistants

he could start analyzing the roster

he could start preparing for the draft and free agency

besides, he whined last week about the process and that cannot sit well with snyder

i think the job is still open

shally

01-27-2008, 05:59 PM

When was the last time you heard a player bad mouth a coach publicly as a "jerk" or something?[/QUOTE]

carson palmer, a couple of weeks ago.. he didnt bash marv lewis, but was openly critical of the coaches.. that is about as far as anyone has gone

of course, you had the giant circus of last year.. and the year before ? they have/had some loose cannons on that team for certain

shally

01-27-2008, 06:01 PM

I agree, not sure I see the point in kicking a man while he's down.

Gregg did a very good job here, sometimes you don't know what you had until it's gone....hope that isn't the case here but it very well could be. Gregg is a good coach, someone will be lucky to get him.

humbly disagree with you.. in the end, other than his unwavering support for taylor over the years, williams had become more trouble than he was worth.

let him go to the rams or somewhere else as DC, but IMHO he is still not HC material

akhhorus

01-27-2008, 06:02 PM

carson palmer, a couple of weeks ago.. he didnt bash marv lewis, but was openly critical of the coaches.. that is about as far as anyone has gone

of course, you had the giant circus of last year.. and the year before ? they have/had some loose cannons on that team for certain

Well, what he said was that the coaches were unable to fix the problems with the team, which could be in semi support of Lewis, since Lewis has been screaming for a GM and full FO staff to stop the influx of idiots.

shally

01-27-2008, 06:07 PM

Well, what he said was that the coaches were unable to fix the problems with the team, which could be in semi support of Lewis, since Lewis has been screaming for a GM and full FO staff to stop the influx of idiots.

i thought i recalled palmer going out of his way to say he still supported lewis-- but it was still pretty bold to call out the coaches to the extent that he did.
it is at the very least, a backhanded way of being critical of lewis-- who has at least some control over the coaching staff..

and yes, they are another team that badly could use a true GM.. they are even worse judges of character than most

LuvSkins17

01-27-2008, 06:17 PM

You act like he was a cancer on the team. So I guess this means you agree with every decision Gibbs made? Cause I don't see you bashing him. We didn't lose games cause of our defense, it was because of our lack of offense in 4 years. Williams did a great job for the lack of talent that we had. Sure everyone questions decisions made by him, but overall he did a wonderful job. Just ask the players that played under this man. They respect the hell out of him, so should you.

I was in support of Williams because he was a Redskin.... I wish he would have done better because it would have been better for the Redskins.

Now that he is gone,... I have to move on. I was worried until I saw that Greg B. was now the DC. He now gets my 100% support. I hope he does well.

Now as far as Akh's messege.... I read it once and I laughed.... What's the harm my friend..... are you reading it everytime you see it or something. Just stroll on down man.... It's ok.

Oh and I still love Gibbs by the way too!

ChapelHillMatt

01-27-2008, 07:36 PM

I, for one, think akh's sig is hilarious. And true. Gregg's defenses were great on paper, but if any of you saw the same games I did, left a lot to be desired.

I watched the games, I saw defenses that kept us in games despite the fact that our offense basically did nothing.

Other than 2006, our defense was not a problem. Some years were better than others of course but overall he did a good job and I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

Syllable

01-27-2008, 07:39 PM

I watched the games, I saw defenses that kept us in games despite the fact that our offense basically did nothing.

Other than 2006, our defense was not a problem. Some years were better than others of course but overall he did a good job and I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.

Its a matter of opinion. Some would say that it was GW's fault for blowing leads, others would say that the offense should have taken the game out of reach. It is really a matter of expectations.

whitskins

01-27-2008, 07:41 PM

Clayton is guessing, just like all these guys have been guessing so far and missing the mark.

If Fassel was the guy, then we would have hired him by now. I think Snyder has built up Spags in his own head enough to give him a legitimate shot to steal the job away from Fassel and Meeks.

If Spags doesn't completely bite the bullet in the interview, I'd say he is the guy.

colkurtz

01-27-2008, 08:01 PM

shally

01-27-2008, 09:45 PM

Its a matter of opinion. Some would say that it was GW's fault for blowing leads, others would say that the offense should have taken the game out of reach. It is really a matter of expectations.

not always.. you can lay the tampa game at the feet of the offense for 6 turnovers..

but we had an epic collapse against the cowboys when GW decided that TO was going to drop 4 TD passes
and for allowing the giants to dominate our defense the second half (had eli not had his receivers drop a bunch of passes the first half, it would not have been close
or allowing philly to beat us in the 4th qtr
or allowing a rookie qb to beat us for buffalo

in reality, were it not for a dropped pass and a missed FG, we would have lost to the jets and cards also

and even in the playoff game at seattle, the defense collapsed first against the hawks allowing them to march easily to the go ahead TD

shally

01-27-2008, 09:47 PM

Clayton has no more information than the next guy by the water cooler.

If Fassel was the lock why not just announce it NOW and get this over with?

They're going to look again at Meeks and the Spag. I'd say Fassel could be third in this selection chain, not first. Spag and Meeks have more recent Superbowl experience and are younger than Fassel.

it is the youth angle that i like.. we should be looking for a 5-10 year head coach, not another 3 and out.

while i think that fassel is a decent coach, does anyone think he is good for 5 years ? he might be, but i would prefer to go young

WarEagle

01-27-2008, 09:50 PM

it is the youth angle that i like.. we should be looking for a 5-10 year head coach, not another 3 and out.

while i think that fassel is a decent coach, does anyone think he is good for 5 years ? he might be, but i would prefer to go young

I hope Dan factors this into his final decision. I, too, want a competent, youngish, long term coach.

OT: The Bob Kraft special is on CNBC tonight (in 10 minutes, in fact). Concerns his formula for success as an owner. Should be revealing.

MadDog97

01-27-2008, 10:05 PM

it is the youth angle that i like.. we should be looking for a 5-10 year head coach, not another 3 and out.

while i think that fassel is a decent coach, does anyone think he is good for 5 years ? he might be, but i would prefer to go young

I think it is Spag and Meeks is being brought in only as a minority candidate. Meeks is getting his second interview just for show. To me that is an insult, but then this whole process is an insult to my 5th graders intelligence.

Fassel is not good for 5 years. If Fassel is the man why wait until after the Super Bowl?

Meatsnack

01-27-2008, 10:06 PM

On the plus side, if we hire Meeks after the Spagnuolo interview, we would be playing the Tampa-2. This would require us to draft at least 2 D-linemen since we don't have a legit 3-technique who can penetrate and cause mayhem. We also don't have a disruptive LDE. So, hey, if we came away with 2-D-linemen and a young OG from this draft, I'd be ecstatic.

Of course, there's a chance Spags goes to Oakland, the one franchise that is more disfunctional than our own.

shally

01-27-2008, 10:29 PM

Biggie

01-27-2008, 11:03 PM

I watched the games, I saw defenses that kept us in games despite the fact that our offense basically did nothing.

Other than 2006, our defense was not a problem. Some years were better than others of course but overall he did a good job and I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise.
See, what I saw was a defense that was built for an aggressive, blitz-heavy scheme, but a coach that was obsessed with an ineffective, corners 15 yards off the line Cover 2. That, for one, sickened me, although I heard Terrell Owens, Plaxico Burress, and Brian Westbrook were big fans.

ChapelHillMatt

01-27-2008, 11:28 PM

See, what I saw was a defense that was built for an aggressive, blitz-heavy scheme, but a coach that was obsessed with an ineffective, corners 15 yards off the line Cover 2. That, for one, sickened me, although I heard Terrell Owens, Plaxico Burress, and Brian Westbrook were big fans.

Yet they were still effective and kept us in games. people can complain about him all they want but his side of the ball was the most consistant side. If there was a reason why we were able to go to the playoffs, Gregg and his defense is the reason why.

I do agree he got more passive after the 2006 season but he's human and was overconsempating for getting burnt so much in 2006. He lost his edge untiil Taylor's death and then it was reborn.

Still though, his side of the ball allowed us to make these end of the season run's everybody loved. I don't see how he was this big problem, I really don't.

Syllable

01-28-2008, 12:11 AM

The question is, who do you see coaching this team 5 years from now?

skinsfan36

01-28-2008, 01:22 AM

clayton/mort are reliable on player news but coaching not so much

JsMaViSd

01-28-2008, 07:56 AM

maybe Spags will impress Dan?

sinskin

01-28-2008, 12:45 PM

not always.. you can lay the tampa game at the feet of the offense for 6 turnovers..

but we had an epic collapse against the cowboys when GW decided that TO was going to drop 4 TD passes
and for allowing the giants to dominate our defense the second half (had eli not had his receivers drop a bunch of passes the first half, it would not have been close
or allowing philly to beat us in the 4th qtr
or allowing a rookie qb to beat us for buffalo

in reality, were it not for a dropped pass and a missed FG, we would have lost to the jets and cards also

and even in the playoff game at seattle, the defense collapsed first against the hawks allowing them to march easily to the go ahead TD

I disagree.... 11 games this year the defense held opponents under 20 points, 1 more with a crap touchdown last second that didnt matter... so really 12...That should be 12 games won right there.... you disagree?

even NE defense gave up big points in a few games... you need both sides of the ball to win...

I will go as far as saying the defense blew it at least in 3 games.

So 12 games to 3 games ...I'd give blame to the offense