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hogs86
01-27-2008, 09:56 PM
This comes from JLC. Steve Mariucci anyone?


Something To Chew On
The Redskins say it will be at a least a week until he tells us who the new head coach is and I know that's way too long for you all to spend dissecting the coaching career Jim Fassel. How about we take a moment to examine someone whose names has not been publicly linked to the job yet.

Ready?

You sure?



Steve Mariucci.

Link http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

skinfanjon
01-27-2008, 10:07 PM
I give up, lol. Just when I think I've got this whole thing figured out, JLC has to go and post something like this. I wouldn't mind if it is Mooch, but I'm done trying to pin our search down on any particular candidate.

As long as its not George W. Bush, I'l be fine.

greatest2
01-27-2008, 10:09 PM
and the plot thickins

i actually would want mooch over fassel or spags. i don't think it will happen, but another small possibility i can hope for

akhhorus
01-27-2008, 10:11 PM
Oh Christ. Here we go.

shally
01-27-2008, 10:12 PM
This comes from JLC. Steve Mariucci anyone?


Something To Chew On
The Redskins say it will be at a least a week until he tells us who the new head coach is and I know that's way too long for you all to spend dissecting the coaching career Jim Fassel. How about we take a moment to examine someone whose names has not been publicly linked to the job yet.

Ready?

You sure?



Steve Mariucci.

Link http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

very very plausible scenario

mooch is certainly a "sexy" pick

he is certainly the type of coach that snyder would love and a public relations coup

he does fit the coordinators selected very well

and he does have a solid background. he is young enough to be around for 5-10 years

his time with cerrato in SF is a major plus for making the FO work smoother and to get his way on picks

he would not likely be intimidated by any of the other coaches in the nfc east

BUT... something just keeps nagging me that he is a guy who was in the right place at the right time in SF and that his performance in detroit may be a truer indication of his ability when placed in a situation where the FO was dysfunctional. clearly he couldnt overcome matt millen. can he overcome cerrato ? he strikes me as holmgren "lite" or bill walsh "double lite"

would i prefer him over fassel ? probably

would i prefer him over meeks ?? not sure

would i prefer him over spagnuolo? really not sure

the question is whether for him the third time is the charm, or whether he has already reached his high water mark with the niners. in that sense he is clearly a risk. but i could see snyder taking him in a heartbeat for all the above reasons...

Redskinmayhem
01-27-2008, 10:13 PM
eh, I don't know about moooch....maybe he'll draft a WR though?? lol

MadDog97
01-27-2008, 10:13 PM
This is just plain dumb. Snyder would be a fool to go with this "glamour" pick. Then again, what else is new?

mexskins
01-27-2008, 10:15 PM
Interesting theory.

Steve's record at SF was OK but he sucked in Detroit.

LATrueRedskin
01-27-2008, 10:18 PM
I'd rather have Ron Meeks get the job over all of these clowns.

Redskinmayhem
01-27-2008, 10:18 PM
Interesting theory.

Steve's record at SF was OK but he sucked in Detroit.

He never really won anything in SF did he? Maybe a few div titles but back then it was a fairly weak west except maybe the Rams towards the end of his tenure there.

Meatsnack
01-27-2008, 10:20 PM
He builds a pretty good tower on blocks of smoke. I could see it happening but that is because after all the BS I could see us hiring Al Pacino to coach the team.

The one thing it does is answer all the questions about why we would hire the coordinators before the coach. If we knew the coach's wishes beforehand, and it wouldn't be tampering to talk to Mooch, it makes a lot of sense. Zorn, you would figure, would have to know that Mooch is talkng to Snyder, though, and Blache as well more than likely.

The Vinny connection is also key since it answers the question why anyone would work under Vinny as GM. If you know Vinny already and knew how to work with him to get what you wanted it becomes much less an issue.

shally
01-27-2008, 10:23 PM
Interesting theory.

Steve's record at SF was OK but he sucked in Detroit.

see below

He never really won anything in SF did he? Maybe a few div titles but back then it was a fairly weak west except maybe the Rams towards the end of his tenure there.

record per wikipedia

SF 60- 43 with 4 playoff appearance. as far as the conference champioships
.583 winning percentage


det 15-28 with 3 years worth of lousy teams

overall is 75- 71 or pretty mediocre... is very smooth at promoting himself and can likely charm the millions out of snyder

shally
01-27-2008, 10:25 PM
He builds a pretty good tower on blocks of smoke. I could see it happening but that is because after all the BS I could see us hiring Al Pacino to coach the team.

The one thing it does is answer all the questions about why we would hire the coordinators before the coach. If we knew the coach's wishes beforehand, and it wouldn't be tampering to talk to Mooch, it makes a lot of sense. Zorn, you would figure, would have to know that Mooch is talkng to Snyder, though, and Blache as well more than likely.

The Vinny connection is also key since it answers the question why anyone would work under Vinny as GM. If you know Vinny already and knew how to work with him to get what you wanted it becomes much less an issue.


AND, he is committed until after the SB, which he will work.. not sure why snyder couldnt just name him, but perhaps the network would not like it ?

and he is 52.. which is young enough to stand the pounding for 5 or more years...

it sure smells like a snyder move

skinfanjon
01-27-2008, 10:27 PM
AND, he is committed until after the SB, which he will work.. not sure why snyder couldnt just name him, but perhaps the network would not like it ?

and he is 52.. which is young enough to stand the pounding for 5 or more years...

it sure smells like a snyder move

I was wondering that as well, but perhaps it was Mooch's request to wait?

This board is going to be going crazy tomorrow, lol, we should prepare for nuclear meltdown.

mexskins
01-27-2008, 10:33 PM
He never really won anything in SF did he? Maybe a few div titles but back then it was a fairly weak west except maybe the Rams towards the end of his tenure there.

Right. I did not say that he was great though.

Does this rumor mean that we need to add his name to our poll ? :)

Do you guys like our chances if he does get the job ?

Hail from Mexico

shally
01-27-2008, 10:40 PM
I was wondering that as well, but perhaps it was Mooch's request to wait?

This board is going to be going crazy tomorrow, lol, we should prepare for nuclear meltdown.

someone at ES posted that he was still being paid by detroit through the end of this year. cannot verify, but that would make sense if his contract expires after the SB


i am just put off by his glibness .. i find him too much of a persona and think that he has deficiencies as a coach

then again, who could possibly win at detroit with millen as GM ?

for certain, he knows how to run a team and my guess is that his energy level is going to be more than adequate

he should make pressers a media event and as long as he wins the laughs will roll on endlessly. i just dont know how good a coach he is...

but that said NOBODY out there, including even cowher is likely to be able to sway cerrato's picks in the draft and free agency. so it should give us the smoothest possible interface between front office and coaching staff

Redskin4Life
01-27-2008, 10:45 PM
AND, he is committed until after the SB, which he will work.. not sure why snyder couldnt just name him, but perhaps the network would not like it ?

and he is 52.. which is young enough to stand the pounding for 5 or more years...

it sure smells like a snyder move
He's also an employee of the Lions via the buyout. Probably has a deal with the Lions to get his money only unless he doesn't have a job during those two years he's under contract. Most contracts come up after the Super Bowl.

shally
01-27-2008, 10:50 PM
He's also an employee of the Lions via the buyout. Probably has a deal with the Lions to get his money only unless he doesn't have a job during those two years he's under contract. Most contracts come up after the Super Bowl.

sounds plausible enough.. if it happens, it sure would be a typical snyder move

miss out on cowher ???

no problem, dial up the next talking head

the only thing that bothers me is that nobody else has expressed ANY interest in mooch this past weeks... maybe snyder has had him locked up all along and has had to go through the process to make it look like there was an open competition.
of course,the lions said, go fish, to the league and paid the fine when they signed mooch without any other interviews.. perhaps all feared goodell would come down very hard if the same HC was involved in a second violation of the process rules ???

it just smells funny and it will be VERY interesting if any of the other front offices reveal that they had interest in mooch and were told that the interest was not reciprocal ???

oldskinfan
01-27-2008, 11:03 PM
You guys know the drill. Why is it we keep taking on the rejects nobody else cares to go after?

Same old sh*t...Different Day.

Red Bear
01-27-2008, 11:09 PM
i suggested mariucci emerging as a candidate in an email a couple weeks ago to JLC, others may have as well and i guess it prompted him to dig up info on it being a possibility

Skinz4lyfe
01-27-2008, 11:30 PM
I'd forgotten about Mooch. I thought about him a while ago and I like the prospect of him coaching the 'Skins. JLC paints a pretty good scenario of him being a dark horse candidate. However, I'll believe it when I see it. I have my doubts about Fassel getting the job at this point because we're waiting until after the Super Bowl. Who knows what's going on these days. Heck does Danny even know?

Syllable
01-27-2008, 11:48 PM
So does he just pick a name out of a box every other day and post it? Kind of unprofessional.

SkinsGuru
01-27-2008, 11:55 PM
I for one would love Mooch . . . don't count his time in Detroit . . . nobody wins in detroit . . . i think he's a hell of a coach and someone easy to like . . . AND the hired coord's would fit him well . . .

whitskins
01-27-2008, 11:56 PM
So does he just pick a name out of a box every other day and post it? Kind of unprofessional.

He's gotta do something, the Post has clearly been locked out of all the hard information that is going around about the coaching search.

The only real news he has had to report has been confirming other reports that have beaten him to the punch. It's not for lack of trying, I'm sure, but he's running a lot up the flagpole because he's being locked out of the inner circle at Redskins Park. Must be frustrating...

LadyNRedskinsfan
01-28-2008, 12:01 AM
mooch over fassel? i'd take that.....

ChapelHillMatt
01-28-2008, 12:07 AM
This makes perfect sense, it sounds like something Snyder would do. As much as the Fassel stuff is out there that just doesn't seem Dan Snyder like, Snyder is all about the big splash and getting people out of left field. Mooch would fit that bill.

Who knows if it has any merit though, I guess we'll all find out together. I'll just be glad when this is all over and we can focus on the draft.

I wouldn't mind Mooch though, I think he's a pretty good coach. I don't hold his lack of success in Detroit against him.

SkinsfaninNJ
01-28-2008, 12:14 AM
mooch over fassel? i'd take that.....

It seems if we don't hire a d coordinator as HC (Meeks, Spags) then Blanche and Zorn are going to do a lot of the heavy lifting anyway. So why not hire Fassel and Mooch as associate HC and senior associate HC. This way, we can't go wrong.

colkurtz
01-28-2008, 12:22 AM
I think I need too see more on this possibility to get worked up over it.

PyroGenic
01-28-2008, 12:23 AM
It seems if we don't hire a d coordinator as HC (Meeks, Spags) then Blanche and Zorn are going to do a lot of the heavy lifting anyway. So why not hire Fassel and Mooch as associate HC and senior associate HC. This way, we can't go wrong.

Haven't we had enough of these frivolous titles? I know I have. Let's just get a coach and be done with it.

PHIL32
01-28-2008, 01:04 AM
mooch would be a popular choice plus familiarity with vinnie.however i
believe snyder is looking at someone who can match us up with 2 elite
teams-colts or pats.pats oc or colts dc might be the way to go.

if we want sexy pick let's hire jeff fisher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



:dalassuk::cool:

SkinsfaninNJ
01-28-2008, 01:09 AM
mooch would be a popular choice plus familiarity with vinnie.however i
believe snyder is looking at someone who can match us up with 2 elite
teams-colts or pats.pats oc or colts dc might be the way to go.

if we want sexy pick let's hire jeff fisher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



:dalassuk::cool:

Fisher is the only guy under contract who I would want to take a run at. But he just signed that extension and seems happy in Tenn.

jaylen
01-28-2008, 01:14 AM
why are we so quick to consider retreadcoaches who failed miserably at their last jobs.

Mooch seems like a total bs artist, a soft coach who'd let the players run all over him. He never recovered after TO dogged him he seemed to lose his coaching backbone after that.

He and Fassel are both terrible ideas.

Give me the young guys the fresh faces and try and establish something brand new.

skinsfan36
01-28-2008, 01:34 AM
o this makes sense because it a guy out of nowhere like in 04 when gibbs appeared when you went to bed thinking fassel was to be hired the next day.well it could be the same thing or jlc could just be trying to find someone to mention in that role. anyway id have no problem with mooch,his detriot contracts end after the super bowl,and snyder says we are waiting after the super bowl so this is either spags or mooch or heck who knows. the way things are going we might have interviewed 4 mystery guys lol

bigcmr
01-28-2008, 01:55 AM
The saga continues...But I could see this happening. This has Snyder written all over it.

santanadasavior
01-28-2008, 02:10 AM
All this speculation is hurting my head. I just hope they make a decision before my brain explodes and then I can talk about how we will survive with whoever they hire.

Rogers_Redskins
01-28-2008, 02:46 AM
I could see this happening. I couldn't figure out why we were waiting to get a coach until after the SB. This makes sense considering Mooch could tell vinnie who he would be willing to work with as his coordinators without violating any contracts. The when the SB is over and he is done with his broadcast he will be anounced as HC for the Washington Redskins and Danny get his Whale.

Jon Creveling
01-28-2008, 08:22 AM
why are we so quick to consider retreadcoaches who failed miserably at their last jobs.

Mooch seems like a total bs artist

Don't agree with you on Fassel but agree with you on Mooch, I thought he and Dennis Green should open a used car lot:)

JsMaViSd
01-28-2008, 08:35 AM
id be down for Mooch

skin4ever
01-28-2008, 09:05 AM
at least Carroll is out of the picture. Per PFT. Man. who hasnt snyder talked to about being our HC. This is getting rediculus.

But Mooch, has worked with some great QB's in the beginning of their careers, Favre especially. Hopefully if he is our new HC, this will work out and he will want to work with campbell for at least a couple more years and see his development before he goes and grabs his QB.

Nice move by snyder to open it up like this, there doesnt seem to be so much backlash on this one. Hey, maybe danny boy is interviewing every coach available or willing to listen and see who the skins and fans alike, dont disagree with.LOL If he really is doing this, then he isnt worth a grain of salt.

PennSkinsFan
01-28-2008, 09:07 AM
I think this is all moot anyway, I honestly believe Fasel is the new HC, will be named after the Superbowl, and approved fo the Zorn/Blache appointments.

CNYSkinFan
01-28-2008, 09:09 AM
I think this is all moot anyway, I honestly believe Fasel is the new HC, will be named after the Superbowl, and approved fo the Zorn/Blache appointments.
prtobably, but JLC did some neat speculative reporting here. he played some decent connect the dots and if it pans out I am going to give him a decent bit of kudos for doing so.

I would like mooch over fassell and it could be a reason why we are suddenly holding until after the Superbowl. If it is Fassell there is no reason to wait (and plenty of reasons not too)

Hrabanmaur
01-28-2008, 09:11 AM
Gotta hand it to JLC for substantiating his theory with as much evidence as he can squeeze out of various sources. He makes a good argument for Marriucci being on the Danny radar.

I agree with some of the early posts. Would he be better than Fassel? Definitely. Better than Spags or Meeks? I have my doubts. I'd rather take the risk on an up and comer.

So if they hire Marriucci, does that mean he'll bring some of his friends from the NFL Network...like our old mult-million dollar waste Dieon Sanders? Just the kind of pathetic media splash Danny would love.

SkinsfaninNJ
01-28-2008, 09:22 AM
I think this is all moot anyway, I honestly believe Fasel is the new HC, will be named after the Superbowl, and approved fo the Zorn/Blache appointments.

I don't know. That no comment by the agent was telling.

PennSkinsFan
01-28-2008, 09:23 AM
I would actually prefer Fassel to Mooch. Fasel knows the NFC East. Fassel won a NFC Conference title. Mooch has not. Given both of these guys, straight up, Fassel is likely the better deal. First, fassel is know to have a pretty engaging personality when it comes to interaction with players and he stands the better chance over Mooch of calming and winning the locker room almost immediately. I am not real high on either, but am actually warming to the looming Fassel deal. Mooch was loaded with talent in SF, more than fassel had in NYG, yet he coudl nto even deliver a conference Champiosnhip. When people are warm to the idea of Mooch and not Fassel, well, your getting the same thing, a retread, except one has gotten to the big game, one has not.

bergiemoore
01-28-2008, 09:45 AM
So does he just pick a name out of a box every other day and post it? Kind of unprofessional.

I thought the same thing, but after reading the article, he makes a compelling well reasoned case. Then again, he was using logic and reason, which is a foreign concept to the Skins FO.

joethefan
01-28-2008, 10:04 AM
I don't know. That no comment by the agent was telling.

true most guys just say no...mooch seemed like the more players coach and seems to fit the polital areas here in dc more than fassel...fassel is the more get in your face type which i like...but jlc may have cracked open the egg here,

TrueOracle
01-28-2008, 10:29 AM
I don't understand the fascination with re-treads. First Fassel now Mooch. How is Mooch a "sexy" pick? He's never won a SB. He's no Off/Def juggernaut. He's just, well, Mooch. Players like him - that's cool. FO likes him - sweet. But can you lead us to a Super Bowl?!?!?!?

Detroit is simply a terrible joke with an underachieving, completely inept GM called Matt Millen at the helm and Ford family as owners. Here's a novel concept - let's hire with winning a SB in mind. The only thing that matters is can you build a team that can win a SB? If you had a reasonable shot previously as a HC, and still didn't win a SB, why should I believe you can come to DC and fare better?

joethefan
01-28-2008, 10:45 AM
I don't understand the fascination with re-treads. First Fassel now Mooch. How is Mooch a "sexy" pick? He's never won a SB. He's no Off/Def juggernaut. He's just, well, Mooch. Players like him - that's cool. FO likes him - sweet. But can you lead us to a Super Bowl?!?!?!?
Detroit is simply a terrible joke with an underachieving, completely inept GM called Matt Millen at the helm and Ford family as owners. Here's a novel concept - let's hire with winning a SB in mind. The only thing that matters is can you build a team that can win a SB? If you had a reasonable shot previously as a HC, and still didn't win a SB, why should I believe you can come to DC and fare better?

yea but do you think that a real hc with sb experience other than joe would really wanna come here with this current structure?

bergiemoore
01-28-2008, 10:45 AM
I don't understand the fascination with re-treads. First Fassel now Mooch. How is Mooch a "sexy" pick? He's never won a SB. He's no Off/Def juggernaut. He's just, well, Mooch. Players like him - that's cool. FO likes him - sweet. But can you lead us to a Super Bowl?!?!?!?

Detroit is simply a terrible joke with an underachieving, completely inept GM called Matt Millen at the helm and Ford family as owners. Here's a novel concept - let's hire with winning a SB in mind. The only thing that matters is can you build a team that can win a SB? If you had a reasonable shot previously as a HC, and still didn't win a SB, why should I believe you can come to DC and fare better?

A majority of the HCs that made the playoffs this year were "re-treads" that were fired by other clubs. I don't see a problem in principle with hiring a coach who has had previous experience, even if that experience may not have been terribly successful.

Debating the merits of these specific re-treads is perfectly acceptable, IMO.

I am really not that impressed with either of these candidates. I don't feel that they offer anything to the team beyond what was already in place when Gibbs left.

If I had to chose between Mooch and Fossil, however, I'll take Mooch, especially with the coordinators already in place.

Slobberknocker
01-28-2008, 10:46 AM
I love it for two reasons:

1) We become a triple threat. Now, in addition to chanting "Smoooooot!" and "Coooooooley!" we can shout "Mooooooooch!" at games.

2) We implement (god forbid) a wide-open offensive philosophy. West Coast, sure, but an aggressive O that would actually be fun to watch.

3) Bonus: I just like the guy. Not saying it will bring Ws, but his personality is infectious, unlike the dour Fossil and the grim GW.

The news of his hire would sure bring me back into a sunshiny state of mind.

JoeDaSchmoe
01-28-2008, 11:00 AM
I'll definitely take him over Fassel. I find it incredibly hard to count his Detroit years against him, simply because it was Detroit. No one wins there.

dukeuch
01-28-2008, 11:17 AM
I don't understand the fascination with re-treads. First Fassel now Mooch. How is Mooch a "sexy" pick? He's never won a SB. He's no Off/Def juggernaut. He's just, well, Mooch. Players like him - that's cool. FO likes him - sweet. But can you lead us to a Super Bowl?!?!?!?

Detroit is simply a terrible joke with an underachieving, completely inept GM called Matt Millen at the helm and Ford family as owners. Here's a novel concept - let's hire with winning a SB in mind. The only thing that matters is can you build a team that can win a SB? If you had a reasonable shot previously as a HC, and still didn't win a SB, why should I believe you can come to DC and fare better?

The fascination with retreads is: That is the depth of Snyder's knowledge of football and the football side of running a franchise. He recongnizes big names and past accomplishments, but cannot see in players and coaches true true, latent, or potentail ability.

I was very down on the 'Skins these past few years, and Gibbs. They surprised the hell out of me by making the playoffs, and I thought, hmmm, maybe we are making some progress.

Oooops. Now you've got Snyder hiring assistant coaches before the head coach. Saying things like "we will wait until after the SB to make a choice so as not to draw attention away from the championship" and "we are maintaining stability by elevating existing offensive and defensive coaches. Who is this guy kidding? We are waiting until after the SB because he has no plan whatsoever (and truely, besides us here, who the hell is keeping an eye on our HC search except to laugh?) and if stability is so important, how about keeping thed guys who devised the system instead of their assistants? How many coaches will be chomping at the bit to take a job where one of the most meddlesome owners of the past few decades has taken back the job of evaluating personnel, where you can't pick your own assistants, and the players all hoped one of the fired assistants would be named coach?

Welcome to DC, Mr. Mariucci, and good luck.

hogs86
01-28-2008, 01:32 PM
This is JLC update from what was poste last night.

(Small Update At The Bottom Now. Nothing Huge)

Steve Mariucci.


Remember four years ago owner Daniel Snyder danced with a lot of coaches but all the while the Joe Gibbs recruitment was guarded with great secrecy? What if it's happening again? How would that go over?

Hear me out for a few paragraphs now, then let me know what you think,. Maybe I'm crazy. But connecting the dots, talking to various people with ties to Mariucci and the West Coast Offense family tree, other unrelated NFL execs, top agents, former players of Mariucci's ... this is a theory at least worth chewing over with my RI peeps.

I got Mariucci's agent, Gary O'Hagan, on the phone ever so briefly yesterday and after he peppered me with rapid-fire questions about the Redskins' coaching search I tried to pin him down on whether there had been contact between the Redskins and Mariucci and all he'd say is: "No comment." Mark Maske, our NFL reporter, ran into Mariucci in the media center for the Super Bowl in Phoenix, asked the former coach of the 49ers and Lions if he had talked to the Redskins regarding their opening: Mariucci seemed a little taken aback and said: "I'm working for the NFL Network right now, and that's all I'm doing."

Wonder if the "right now" part of that sentence turns out to be the key?

The Redskins are not commenting on any part of their coaching search. So I have no firm confirmation of contact, though one former Mariucci associate told me that Mariucci has been calling some of his former coaches recently, and that the Redskins are definitely possibility, with Oakland perhaps as well (assuming the Raiders work out whatever is going on with current coach Lane Kiffin. (Steve is a San Fran guy - via Iron Mountain, Michigan- and one of his former assistants told me Mariucci's wife would prefer to stay in a warmer locale.

So let's peel back this onion, shall we?

It certainly is unusual - though hardly unprecedented - that Snyder would hire his coordinators before his head coach. And league sources said that Jim Zorn was Jim Fassel's top choice as OC, and that he was very comfortable with Greg Blache running his defense as well. That all adds up. Snyder told Fassel on Wednesday night that while he was delaying a decision until after the Super Bowl that Fassel remained a top candidate. I buy all of that and no doubt whatsoever Fassel is in this thing and has a good chance of getting it. But Snyder also could have gone ahead and hired him this week, even though he was unable to get his top choice defensive coordinator, Rex Ryan.

Now, the Redskins have let it be known they have interest in coaches involved in the Super Bowl, with league sources saying Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo is of particular interest. But it would take some serious covert ops/tampering for any team to be talking to Spagnuolo now, especially to the degree to put together a staff around him. And would any coach take his first job walking into a virtually set staff of which he has no ties? Same goes for Ron Meeks, the Indianapolis DC who will have his second interview with the team this week. And again, they could have already made that hire, but instead we're having second interviews with Fassel.

Several league sources said they doubted a defensive coach would get this job now after Blache being promoted, and with the Redskins prizing the development of QB Jason Campbell, whom they have invested so much in, during this process (one of the primary reasons Fassel is an attractive candidate).

Okay, so let's see, Jim Zorn, West Coast Offense coach, directly from the Mike Holmgren tree. Well, what do you know, so is Mariucci. Very strong ties there. Perhaps he would not have been Mariucci's top choice as OC, but they come from the same system, Holmgren is their mentor (Zorn spent the last six seasons as Holmgren's QB coach). They run essentially the same system. Zorn has no previous experience as an NFL OC, but with an offensive minded head coach and another hire or two, your set. Also, Zorn will be working heavily with Campbell, and Mariucci goes back to Brett Favre in the developing QBs department.

What about Blache, you say?

Well, Blache is another West Coast guy, worked with Mariucci under Holmgren in Green Bay for a few years. In 2004, when Blache was leaving Chicago after 5 years as the Bears DC, Mariucci tired very hard to get him on his staff with the Lions. The Redskins ended up beating him out for that hire, but there was major interest from Mariucci, multiple league sources said.

Want another connection? Executive vice president Vinny Cerrato. Cerrato worked with Mariucci in SF and as the Redskins put in a press release about Cerrato's promotion last week, he is very influential in this process. Cerrato "loves" Mariucci, two NFL sources said. (Mariucci may have some concerns about Washington's current personnel structure, according to two of his former assistants, but no job is perfect and in the end money talks).

Mariucci has been under contract to the NFL Network, but all those deals have out-clauses to pursue coaching gigs. Also, in recent weeks the plane Snyder has used to conduct the coaching searches has been tracked multiple times to LAX, neat the NFL Network set, and then later to cities still involved in the playoffs, in some cases where the NFL Network was using a live set with Mariucci included.

The Redskins could have had lengthy conversations with him in recent weeks, and Cerrato would have been the perfect point man to set it all. He could have easily signed off on the decisions. And, like we said, those two coaches also work for Fassel. So that's a win-win.

"Those are hires I think Mooch would be very comfortable with," said one of his former assistants. "That makes perfect sense. And I know Steve wants to get back into coaching, because this is the last year of his Detroit contract (Mariucci was fired with two years left on his deal with Detroit, earning $11 million from the team in the process). That makes perfect sense."

One NFL GM, after studying the consecutive hires of Zorn and Blache said: "It all points to Mariucci. It's like you're starting a Washington branch of the West Coast family. Look at the coordinators. Then you've got Vinny who could put it together. That's viable. That's something I think you could sell.

"He's a likeable guy, he's had success, been to the playoffs, you can trace him back to Bill Walsh. I think you could sell that package to the fans and everybody's comfortable. That's what I think he's trying to pull off."

Another former player of Mariucci's, who also has ties to the Redskins, said: "Mooch can talk the talk. He knows how the sell this. He could interview his (backside) off."

One of Mariucci's former assistants who goes all the way back to their college coaching days, said: "Steve's personality, the out-going manner, the way he interacts with people, that would be a perfect fit for Snyder."

A league source who has interacted significantly with Snyder and Mariucci said: "I know he would be very attracted to Steve. Steve's got that big smile, he loves to (BS). He's the kind of guy Snyder could put his arm around and buddy around with."

Two of Mariucci's former players also pointed out the similarities between the teams he had in San Fran and this Redskins team. Both have lots of veteran leadership and have a playoff pedigree, and, like Gibbs, he puts a lot of trust in his players. With the 49ers he ran a "Dirty Dozen" of 12 player representatives that met with him weekly and had a significant say in setting up routines, practices, chemistry issues, etc. Sounds an awful lot like Gibbs's Leadership Counsel right there (look at that Skins, I'm doing some homework for you. You can add this the whole "continuity" vibe should you unveil Mooch as coach someday).

Then, let's think about the word the Redskins made clear again yesterday in their press release about no coach until after the Super Bowl. Well, sure they can, and likely will, interview some coaches involved in the game, but Mariucci is contractually obligated to work that game as well - he's out in Arizona working for the NFL Network right now - so there's another connection.

Hey, this could be a wasted exercise for all of us. All these weeks chained to my keyboard and Blackberry surely warped me in many ways. Fassel is certainly a guy they are behind, and who knows if they pull a trump card like Pete Carroll or Bill Cowher out at the last second, but I highly, highly, highly doubt that.

So, what do you guys think?


PS - Forgot to include this in the original post. After Gibbs retired the other teams conducting coaching searches - three at the time - held strategy meetings to see how Snyder's involvement might impact their lists of candidates, timetables, etc. At least one of those three other teams conducted lengthy internal meetings to that end and came away with an organizational belief that Snyder would try to land a "big fish" - I.e. Cowher or Carroll, but that those guys weren't budging for the Washington job and had too many concerns about personnel, etc. So ruling them out this team concluded that Snyder would either hire Gregg Williams or Steve Mariucci. Maybe those guys knew what they were talking about.
PPS - Best episode of The Wire ever last night. McNaulty off the deep end entirely. Prop Joe is gone. Omar back with a vengeance. Killing off Joe (and Hungry Man to a lesser degree) - especially with Cheese of all people giving Prop up and Marlo the new undisputed king of slinging - is like killing off any semblance of the old-school "code" in the game. Any shred of ethics on the corners is gone. That show is beyond real. I already miss it and there's like 4 episodes left. Every scene is epic.





Link http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/something_to_chew_on.html

GWBlitzST
01-28-2008, 01:33 PM
I would LOVE to have Mooch as our coach. He is a great football coach first of all, and players LOVE him. He is a good motivator but isn't too rigid either. I think he would be perfect for this job and I have actually been hoping he would take over although I didn't think it was even possible. But this would be freaking awesome and then we can go out and get Roy Williams and our offense will put up 35 a game! HAHAAHAH This is all insane.

Syllable
01-28-2008, 02:08 PM
This is JLC update from what was poste last night.



This actually makes sense.....

jaylen
01-28-2008, 02:53 PM
I would actually prefer Fassel to Mooch. Fasel knows the NFC East. Fassel won a NFC Conference title. Mooch has not. Given both of these guys, straight up, Fassel is likely the better deal. First, fassel is know to have a pretty engaging personality when it comes to interaction with players and he stands the better chance over Mooch of calming and winning the locker room almost immediately. I am not real high on either, but am actually warming to the looming Fassel deal. Mooch was loaded with talent in SF, more than fassel had in NYG, yet he coudl nto even deliver a conference Champiosnhip. When people are warm to the idea of Mooch and not Fassel, well, your getting the same thing, a retread, except one has gotten to the big game, one has not.

I agree with this but really are either anything to get excited over.

I can see the Fassel scenario playing out now he stays here 3 years he makes the playoffs once the 2nd year we're 7-9 the 1st season and we 5-11 his last year. He and Snyder get into a very public thing and he's fired.

bergiemoore
01-28-2008, 03:04 PM
Report on PFT denying the possibility of Mariucci moving to DC.

link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)

hogs86
01-28-2008, 03:38 PM
Report on PFT denying the possibility of Mariucci moving to DC.

link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)


I do not have a link but 980 update just reported that mooch is most defiantely in the running.

Red Bear
01-28-2008, 03:43 PM
Report on PFT denying the possibility of Mariucci moving to DC.

link (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)

the pft entry is based purely on speculation

bergiemoore
01-28-2008, 03:47 PM
the pft entry is based purely on speculation

Dude, what in this thread isn't?

TrueOracle
01-28-2008, 04:50 PM
The fascination with retreads is: That is the depth of Snyder's knowledge of football and the football side of running a franchise. He recongnizes big names and past accomplishments, but cannot see in players and coaches true true, latent, or potentail ability.

I was very down on the 'Skins these past few years, and Gibbs. They surprised the hell out of me by making the playoffs, and I thought, hmmm, maybe we are making some progress.

Oooops. Now you've got Snyder hiring assistant coaches before the head coach. Saying things like "we will wait until after the SB to make a choice so as not to draw attention away from the championship" and "we are maintaining stability by elevating existing offensive and defensive coaches. Who is this guy kidding? We are waiting until after the SB because he has no plan whatsoever (and truely, besides us here, who the hell is keeping an eye on our HC search except to laugh?) and if stability is so important, how about keeping thed guys who devised the system instead of their assistants? How many coaches will be chomping at the bit to take a job where one of the most meddlesome owners of the past few decades has taken back the job of evaluating personnel, where you can't pick your own assistants, and the players all hoped one of the fired assistants would be named coach?

Welcome to DC, Mr. Mariucci, and good luck.

Here, here. I wrote about his inability to build a winning football team stemming from hi early childhood years and probably never, ever playing any sort ot team sport - let alone football. If there's a way to mess this team up, Snyder is more than capable of it.

shally
01-28-2008, 05:15 PM
I don't understand the fascination with re-treads. First Fassel now Mooch. How is Mooch a "sexy" pick? He's never won a SB. He's no Off/Def juggernaut. He's just, well, Mooch. Players like him - that's cool. FO likes him - sweet. But can you lead us to a Super Bowl?!?!?!?

Detroit is simply a terrible joke with an underachieving, completely inept GM called Matt Millen at the helm and Ford family as owners. Here's a novel concept - let's hire with winning a SB in mind. The only thing that matters is can you build a team that can win a SB? If you had a reasonable shot previously as a HC, and still didn't win a SB, why should I believe you can come to DC and fare better?

if it is not obvious to you why mooch is a "sexy" pick i doubt i could do much to explain why i believe he is..

but..


he has an outgoing, engaging persona, he is a well recognized "face" from both broadcast and his prior years as a HC

he has a smooth way of handling the press and loves to hear himself talk.
he is the "anti bellichick" in that he loves to interact with people of all types.

that is totally aside from his record as a HC-- which is the one thing that really gives me pause. i am not sure just how good or bad a coach he is. it is very hard to tell whether his successes at SF are a result of his predecessors and whether his flop at detroit is the result of a completely inept front office.
my guess is that it lies somewhere in between

he is the single best selection snyder could make that would calm both the press and the fan base. and my guess is that of all the coaches that snyder could select, mooch will hit the ground running smoother than anyone else.
fassel is his only competition in that regard. any of the coordinators elevated to HC are going to have a learning curve. any of them. but mooch wont.

also, mooch was always very popular with his veteran players. he will likely find just the right tone to keep them together (unlike marty when he arrived).
i suspect fassel would also, but i just dont see him as being quite as smooth

with young coordinators, making the transition to HC there is always the issue of establishing their authority over the team. some do it far better than others. especially if they come from another team. as in GW's first tenure in buffalo, his rough treatment of the players turned a lot of them off

what that translates to me is that for next year, we are likely better with mooch than any other coach. after that, who knows ? it will come down to the quality of the individual

SkinsfaninNJ
01-28-2008, 05:47 PM
if it is not obvious to you why mooch is a "sexy" pick i doubt i could do much to explain why i believe he is..

but..


he has an outgoing, engaging persona, he is a well recognized "face" from both broadcast and his prior years as a HC

he has a smooth way of handling the press and loves to hear himself talk.
he is the "anti bellichick" in that he loves to interact with people of all types.

that is totally aside from his record as a HC-- which is the one thing that really gives me pause. i am not sure just how good or bad a coach he is. it is very hard to tell whether his successes at SF are a result of his predecessors and whether his flop at detroit is the result of a completely inept front office.
my guess is that it lies somewhere in between

he is the single best selection snyder could make that would calm both the press and the fan base. and my guess is that of all the coaches that snyder could select, mooch will hit the ground running smoother than anyone else.
fassel is his only competition in that regard. any of the coordinators elevated to HC are going to have a learning curve. any of them. but mooch wont.

also, mooch was always very popular with his veteran players. he will likely find just the right tone to keep them together (unlike marty when he arrived).
i suspect fassel would also, but i just dont see him as being quite as smooth

with young coordinators, making the transition to HC there is always the issue of establishing their authority over the team. some do it far better than others. especially if they come from another team. as in GW's first tenure in buffalo, his rough treatment of the players turned a lot of them off

what that translates to me is that for next year, we are likely better with mooch than any other coach. after that, who knows ? it will come down to the quality of the individual
I fear for many of the reasons you stated that he gets too close to the players, which was a criticism of Mora's candidacy.

Meatsnack
01-28-2008, 06:09 PM
Mooch the Coach - A Retrospective

QB at Northern Michigan University - 1974-'77. As a sophomore in 1975, the Wildcats' two-time All-American quarterback led his team to the Division II national championship. He was voted the team MVP for three consecutive seasons, establishing 14 school passing records prior to his graduation in 1977.



QB/RB Coach - Northern Michigan University 1978-'79
QB/Special Teams Coach - Cal State Fullerton 1980-'82
Assistant Head Coach/OC - Louisville 1983-'84
Receiver's Coach - USFL Orlando Renegades 1985
Quality Control Coach- Offense - LA Rams Fall 1985
Receivers/Special Teams Coach - Southern Cal 1986 (left when HC Tollner was fired, the same Tollner who was later his OC at Detroit)
Receivers/Special Teams Coach - Cal Berkley - 1987-'89
Offensive Coordinator - Cal Berkley - 1990-'91 (his offense was highly productive and earned him another shot at the pros since Cal was able to score a ton of points and finished the year at #7 in 1991)
QB Coach - Green Bay Packers - 1992-'95 (coached Brett Favre, Mark Brunnel and Ty Detmer)
Head Coach - Cal Berkley - 1996 (Coming off 2 previous losing seasons, Cal opened 5-0 to finish 6-5. Mooch's WCO led the Bears to an average of 457.6 yards per game, including a school record of 321.5 yards through the air. QB Pat Barnes set eight Pac-10 records and 30 Cal records for passing.)
Head Coach - San Francisco 49ers -1997-2002
1997 - 13-3 Division Champs with home field advantage in the NFC lost in divisional round to Green Bay
1998 - 12-4 - 2nd in division, lost to Atlanta in the Divisional Round
1999 - 4-12 ( Opened the year 3-1, then lost Steve Young for good on a concussion hit vs. Atlanta. Team lost 11 of its next 12. Also lost O-line Coach Bob McKittrick to cancer. This was also the beginning of the Eddie DeBartolo ouster process)
2000 - 6-10 (Jeff Garcia sets a San Fran record for passing yardage at 4,278 yards in a season, threw for 31 TDs, and goes to the Pro Bowl but defense blows.)
2001 - 12-4 (Lost to Green Bay in the Wild Card round after finishing 2nd in the NFC West. Garcia throws 32 TDs and an improving defense helps him out.)
2002 - 10-6 (Division Champs, beat the NYG in a 24 point come from behind thriller with 18 minutes on the clock in the Wild Card round, only to lose to Super Bowl champ Buccaneers in the Divisional round. Garcia throws 'only' 21 TDs as T.O. starts to blow-up his first team.)

Ironically, Mooch was fired after a 10 win, playoff season after failing to get along with new owner York and GM Tom Donohue. San Fran hasn't had a winning season since Mooch left. According to his wikipedia entry, "Mariucci is one of thirteen head coaches since the AFL-NFL Merger in 1970 to lead his team to a division title in his first season. Mariucci established an NFL mark for consecutive wins by a rookie head coach with an 11-game winning streak."

Mooch went 5-11, 6-10, and 4-7 (fired after a Thanksgiving loss to Atlanta) to finish 15-28 in Detroit.

This all ends with many question marks. Which is the real Mooch? The guy who won everywhere he went until Detroit, or the guy who coached Detroit? Was he sabotaged by Millen and Joey Harrington (drafted before he arrived at #3 overall) or is he just not a very good coach anymore?

JasonCampbell
01-28-2008, 06:19 PM
This all ends with many question marks. Which is the real Mooch? The guy who won everywhere he went until Detroit, or the guy who coached Detroit? Was he sabotaged by Millen and Joey Harrington (drafted before he arrived at #3 overall) or is he just not a very good coach anymore?

Has Detroit or Joey had success since Mooch left...I think there lies your answer

SkinsWest
01-28-2008, 06:22 PM
PFT says it's likely not Mooch ...

NO MOOCH IN D.C.?

A source with knowledge of the dynamics in the Washington front office firmly believes that former San Francisco and Detroit head coach Steve Mariucci won't be the next coach of the Redskins.

Though both Mariucci and 'Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato worked together in San Fran, Mariucci was hired by former Niners owner Eddie DeBartolo and front-office exec Carmen Policy. "Mooch was never a Vinny guy," the source said.

Mariucci has been linked to the job via informed speculation from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

JasonCampbell
01-28-2008, 06:53 PM
Mariucci has been linked to the job via informed speculation from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

Is that an oxymoron?

hogskins
01-28-2008, 07:05 PM
Is that an oxymoron?

Good point. Does the Mooch story have any basis, aside from one reporter's informed speculation? Sometimes I think that the Redskin nation is under some form of group hypnosis that causes us the chase after ever-flimsier rumors. Over the past several years, I guess we've learned to suspend disbelief at what may happen next. :thinker:

greatest2
01-28-2008, 07:15 PM
Good point. Does the Mooch story have any basis, aside from one reporter's informed speculation? Sometimes I think that the Redskin nation is under some form of group hypnosis that causes us the chase after ever-flimsier rumors. Over the past several years, I guess we've learned to suspend disbelief at what may happen next. :thinker:

well, since we all sign onto a message board to talk about a sports team that i would say we are not just die hard fans, but are obsessed. hell, i dumped a girl cause she was a dallas fan (found it out after the summer we got together, during preseason, man it felt good when i did it :sun: ) Anyway, this is the same with probably everyone on this board, so it makes sense we would follow every rumor or speculation because we are obsessed with this team and this organization.

I dont think it is something bad, but shows a caringfor the team that we discuss every little thing that comes up. casual fans probably don't do this, and probably never even know about the rumors.

IowaSkinsFan
01-28-2008, 07:23 PM
You guys know the drill. Why is it we keep taking on the rejects nobody else cares to go after?

Same old sh*t...Different Day.

Something to consider with rejects, 8 of the last 10 super bowl winning coaches were on their 2nd teams, i.e. they had been fired once in their HC careers, and after this super bowl, it will be 9 of the last 11.

Maybe the 2nd time around (Fassel) or third (Mariucci) will be the charm. I give Mariucci a mulligan for Detroit.

SkinsfaninNJ
01-28-2008, 07:24 PM
Assuming they hire Larry Brooks, anyone else more convinced it will be Mooch?

I am. I can't see Spags coming in here as the last guy hired to be HC. Too wierd.

Mooch on the other hand could be completely operating behind the scenes. By the way, you have to think the assistants know who the head guy will be as well. Why would Zorn take the job if he didn't know or have a very good idea who the HC would be?

greatest2
01-28-2008, 07:27 PM
PFT says it's likely not Mooch ...

NO MOOCH IN D.C.?

A source with knowledge of the dynamics in the Washington front office firmly believes that former San Francisco and Detroit head coach Steve Mariucci won't be the next coach of the Redskins.

Though both Mariucci and 'Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato worked together in San Fran, Mariucci was hired by former Niners owner Eddie DeBartolo and front-office exec Carmen Policy. "Mooch was never a Vinny guy," the source said.

Mariucci has been linked to the job via informed speculation from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

Assuming they hire Larry Brooks, anyone else more convinced it will be Mooch?

I am. I can't see Spags coming in here as the last guy hired to be HC. Too wierd.

Mooch on the other hand could be completely operating behind the scenes. By the way, you have to think the assistants know who the head guy will be as well. Why would Zorn take the job if he didn't know or have a very good idea who the HC would be?

there ya go with mooch

shally
01-28-2008, 07:31 PM
I fear for many of the reasons you stated that he gets too close to the players, which was a criticism of Mora's candidacy.

mora simply loves the seattle area... he was interested in coaching at univ of washington, and has the ideal position of being able to succeed holmgren at the seahawks (if that rumor is true)

that is totally aside from his coaching ability. i am not a very big fan of his anyway

shally
01-28-2008, 07:34 PM
PFT says it's likely not Mooch ...

NO MOOCH IN D.C.?

A source with knowledge of the dynamics in the Washington front office firmly believes that former San Francisco and Detroit head coach Steve Mariucci won't be the next coach of the Redskins.

Though both Mariucci and 'Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato worked together in San Fran, Mariucci was hired by former Niners owner Eddie DeBartolo and front-office exec Carmen Policy. "Mooch was never a Vinny guy," the source said.

Mariucci has been linked to the job via informed speculation from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

ah, the sharp sting of unrequited love... cerrato "loves" mooch, but mooch has no love for vinnie.. only so much brokeback i can stand for one day....

shally
01-28-2008, 07:37 PM
Assuming they hire Larry Brooks, anyone else more convinced it will be Mooch?

I am. I can't see Spags coming in here as the last guy hired to be HC. Too wierd.

Mooch on the other hand could be completely operating behind the scenes. By the way, you have to think the assistants know who the head guy will be as well. Why would Zorn take the job if he didn't know or have a very good idea who the HC would be?

money

seahawks would not give him a promise they would bump him up to OC after holmgren leaves

career salvage for zorn

hogskins
01-28-2008, 07:37 PM
well, since we all sign onto a message board to talk about a sports team that i would say we are not just die hard fans, but are obsessed. hell, i dumped a girl cause she was a dallas fan (found it out after the summer we got together, during preseason, man it felt good when i did it :sun: ) Anyway, this is the same with probably everyone on this board, so it makes sense we would follow every rumor or speculation because we are obsessed with this team and this organization.

I dont think it is something bad, but shows a caringfor the team that we discuss every little thing that comes up. casual fans probably don't do this, and probably never even know about the rumors.

That's a good assessment. And I wasn't making any judgment other than I suddenly realized that in the other areas of my life, I don't spend so much time trying to read the rune stones.

WarEagle
01-28-2008, 07:40 PM
Good point. Does the Mooch story have any basis, aside from one reporter's informed speculation? Sometimes I think that the Redskin nation is under some form of group hypnosis that causes us the chase after ever-flimsier rumors. Over the past several years, I guess we've learned to suspend disbelief at what may happen next. :thinker:

The rumor mongering is getting frustrating. Is there a Ouija Board in the house?

shally
01-28-2008, 07:43 PM
Assuming they hire Larry Brooks, anyone else more convinced it will be Mooch?

I am. I can't see Spags coming in here as the last guy hired to be HC. Too wierd.

Mooch on the other hand could be completely operating behind the scenes. By the way, you have to think the assistants know who the head guy will be as well. Why would Zorn take the job if he didn't know or have a very good idea who the HC would be?

spags is a hot commodity right now. he would be insane to turn down the skins offer if he gets one

next year the giant defense could flop. coughlin could relieve him of his duties (the way fassel relieved sean payton).. guys like meeks and mcdaniel, ryan and schwartz
and who knows who else could emerge as even hotter candididates

look what happened to gary kubiak. for years he was one of the top choices to be a HC and for years he stayed at denver.. people stopped talking about him and it was a long time before he got an opportunity

SkinsfaninNJ
01-28-2008, 07:48 PM
spags is a hot commodity right now. he would be insane to turn down the skins offer if he gets one

next year the giant defense could flop. coughlin could relieve him of his duties (the way fassel relieved sean payton).. guys like meeks and mcdaniel, ryan and schwartz
and who knows who else could emerge as even hotter candididates

look what happened to gary kubiak. for years he was one of the top choices to be a HC and for years he stayed at denver.. people stopped talking about him and it was a long time before he got an opportunity

I hear all that, but this may be the most concessions all time a coordinator would have to make to get a HC job. To be the last guy hired on the staff is crazy unless you've been involved behind the scenes all along.

shally
01-28-2008, 07:50 PM
[QUOTE=SkinsfaninNJ;1076707]I hear all that, but this may be the most concessions all time a coordinator would have to make to get a HC job. To be the last guy hired on the staff is crazy unless you've been involved behind the scenes all along.[/QUOTE

both the skins and spags would be crazy to do that. goodell would have a stroke and come down really hard for evasion of the rules to that extent

SkinsfaninNJ
01-28-2008, 07:50 PM
money

seahawks would not give him a promise they would bump him up to OC after holmgren leaves

career salvage for zorn

Maybe, but Zorn is very highly regarded. Everywhere I have read, we are getting kudos for the hire even if it is unorthodox without the HC in place.

SkinsfaninNJ
01-28-2008, 07:52 PM
[QUOTE=SkinsfaninNJ;1076707]I hear all that, but this may be the most concessions all time a coordinator would have to make to get a HC job. To be the last guy hired on the staff is crazy unless you've been involved behind the scenes all along.[/QUOTE

both the skins and spags would be crazy to do that. goodell would have a stroke and come down really hard for evasion of the rules to that extent

Exactly, which is why I have a hard time believing Spags will even be a candidate. It is a lot to give up for Spags. Not only do you have the coordinators shoved down your throat, but also the position coaches.

By the way, I know JLC has a vested interest in connecting Mooch to everything going on for the next week. If Mooch is hired, JLC has instant credibility. But it makes a lot of sense on many levels.

SkinsfaninNJ
01-28-2008, 07:55 PM
The other thing pointing to Mooch is it is consistent with Snyder's love affair with guys who have HC experience (Marty, Gibbs, Green, Fassel, even Spurrier was HC in college at least, Mora, GW, Cowher). I don't think he wants a guy to learn on his dime.

shally
01-28-2008, 08:06 PM
The other thing pointing to Mooch is it is consistent with Snyder's love affair with guys who have HC experience (Marty, Gibbs, Green, Fassel, even Spurrier was HC in college at least, Mora, GW, Cowher). I don't think he wants a guy to learn on his dime.

absolutely !!!!

snyder lacks the patience to watch a coordinator grow into a solid HC.. he wants one already fully formed

but, there is some wisdom in that approach.. the stat being bantered ab out is that after this SB, 9 out of 11 SB coaches are on their second or third job.. something to be said for learning how to win in the playoffs..

Skins7ny
01-28-2008, 08:13 PM
PFT says it's likely not Mooch ...

NO MOOCH IN D.C.?

A source with knowledge of the dynamics in the Washington front office firmly believes that former San Francisco and Detroit head coach Steve Mariucci won't be the next coach of the Redskins.

Though both Mariucci and 'Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato worked together in San Fran, Mariucci was hired by former Niners owner Eddie DeBartolo and front-office exec Carmen Policy. "Mooch was never a Vinny guy," the source said.

Mariucci has been linked to the job via informed speculation from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

As far as I can tell, there exists only one "Vinny guy" in the entire NFL. Unfortunately for us, it is Snyder.

smoak
01-28-2008, 08:48 PM
So if they hire Marriucci, does that mean he'll bring some of his friends from the NFL Network...like our old mult-million dollar waste Dieon Sanders? Just the kind of pathetic media splash Danny would love.

C'mon... Do you even watch football??? There is absolutely no way even Danny would bring someone like Deion to the burgundy and g....

:smash:

Never mind. I apologize.

smoak
01-28-2008, 08:52 PM
The fascination with retreads is: That is the depth of Snyder's knowledge of football and the football side of running a franchise. He recongnizes big names and past accomplishments, but cannot see in players and coaches true true, latent, or potentail ability.



Standing ovation.

Hr fan
01-29-2008, 06:11 AM
This comes from JLC. Steve Mariucci anyone?


Something To Chew On
The Redskins say it will be at a least a week until he tells us who the new head coach is and I know that's way too long for you all to spend dissecting the coaching career Jim Fassel. How about we take a moment to examine someone whose names has not been publicly linked to the job yet.

Ready?

You sure?



Steve Mariucci.

Link http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

It is the job of reporters to fill space and attract readers. In this regard many tend to create "logical" scenarios that no one will remember later when the deed is done. IMO this is an example of this tendency.

Redskin4Life
01-29-2008, 09:34 AM
Looks like PFT is kinda onboard with JLC's theory:

MOOCH IS READY TO RETURN

Though it's not clear whether the Washington Redskins are interested in hiring former 49ers and Lions coach Steve Mariucci, Mooch apparently is ready to get back in.

According to Adam Schefter of NFLN, Mariucci is interested in returning to coaching. "He feels a stronger itch to coach then he did last year," Schefter said on Monday.

Coincidentally (or not), Mariucci's contract with the Lions ran through the 2007 season. So if Mooch had gotten the itch a year ago to coach, scratching it would have meant working for free, since any money he would have earned would have reduced the Lions' obligation to him under the five-year, $25 million contract he signed in 2003. Typicall, income derived from broadcasting work does not count against any remaining salary owed to a coach who is fired.

As to whether he might end up coaching the Redskins, Mooch was mum. Indications remain that Jim Fassel is the favorite, and that the Redskins hope to speak with Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo after the Super Bowl.
So Mooch will be the Skins new HC... and I think I'm okay with that.

NCskinsfanatic
01-29-2008, 10:12 AM
Looks like PFT is kinda onboard with JLC's theory:


So Mooch will be the Skins new HC... and I think I'm okay with that.

Just yesterday PFT posted an article titled "no Mooch in DC", now they agree with JLC, they are as clueless as the rest of us lol.

JsMaViSd
01-29-2008, 10:17 AM
i would love to see Mooch here as HC

i love his attitude towards the game and the fire he has on his players

and hes actually one analyst i can actually stand to listen to, because what he says actually makes sense

Redskin4Life
01-29-2008, 10:25 AM
What I like about "Mooch to us" is he's a vet coach and was able to get a lot out of a vet team.

inevitable
01-29-2008, 01:39 PM
Not sure if this has been posted, but saw it on the NFL-N page,

Mooch discussing Redskins' Rumor:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80653bfe

Make of that what you will.

ihatedallas
01-29-2008, 01:43 PM
I said Spags earlier, but after thinking more into it I think Mooch makes more sense. his ties with Holgremn and the west coast offense gels well with Zorn...

James F. Quinn
01-29-2008, 01:49 PM
I don't understand the fascination with re-treads. First Fassel now Mooch. How is Mooch a "sexy" pick? He's never won a SB. He's no Off/Def juggernaut. He's just, well, Mooch. Players like him - that's cool. FO likes him - sweet. But can you lead us to a Super Bowl?!?!?!?

Detroit is simply a terrible joke with an underachieving, completely inept GM called Matt Millen at the helm and Ford family as owners. Here's a novel concept - let's hire with winning a SB in mind. The only thing that matters is can you build a team that can win a SB? If you had a reasonable shot previously as a HC, and still didn't win a SB, why should I believe you can come to DC and fare better?

Bill Belicheck.

28thegreat
01-29-2008, 01:53 PM
Not sure if this has been posted, but saw it on the NFL-N page,

Mooch discussing Redskins' Rumor:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80653bfe

Make of that what you will.

Hmmm...he could have just said NO. But he didn't...hmmmm.

greatest2
01-29-2008, 02:00 PM
well i definitely think him and the skins have talked. but i still see it as a long shot, and i think fassel is a shoe in (wish it wasn't so)

ChiefPowhatan17
01-29-2008, 04:52 PM
Mooch is a good football mind. I would be intrigued. I still think Snyder has his guy he just wants to make the last news of the year after the SB is decided.

syphy
01-29-2008, 04:57 PM
The more I think about it the more I realize that I wouldn't mind seeing Mooch here. He has always come across to me as a genuine nice guy. Especially after seeing the "In their Own Words" spot on him, he brings a family-like feeling (kind of like Joe Gibbs). After seeing that list of his coaching career, as someone else mentioned, the guy has won just about everywhere he has gone.

Like many others here, I am more than willing to give him a pass for the Detroit thing.

But then on the other hand, we too have a dipshit owner and front office guy, so maybe it wont work out. hmmmm.


Damn you Dan Snyder and your pet jackass!!

shally
01-29-2008, 05:05 PM
The more I think about it the more I realize that I wouldn't mind seeing Mooch here. He has always come across to me as a genuine nice guy. Especially after seeing the "In their Own Words" spot on him, he brings a family-like feeling (kind of like Joe Gibbs). After seeing that list of his coaching career, as someone else mentioned, the guy has won just about everywhere he has gone.

Like many others here, I am more than willing to give him a pass for the Detroit thing.

But then on the other hand, we too have a dipshit owner and front office guy, so maybe it wont work out. hmmmm.


Damn you Dan Snyder and your pet jackass!!

the one advantage that mooch might have over all the others is that cerrato might ACTUALLY listen to him on personnel matters

JasonCampbell
01-29-2008, 05:28 PM
Charlie Casserly said on WPL that we will be meeting with Mooch next week.

colkurtz
01-29-2008, 05:43 PM
Charlie Casserly said on WPL that we will be meeting with Mooch next week.

How many secret meetings have been held up to this point? This first acknowledged public meeting is just to save face so the everyone doesn't think Snyderato made up their minds last week and are just interviewing now for show. Also Snyder is talking to current coaches (Schwartz, Meeks, Spag, McDaniels) who may get the nod sometime in the future.

skinsfan36
01-29-2008, 06:24 PM
Charlie Casserly said on WPL that we will be meeting with Mooch next week.

saw that to seems like a good idea to me

skinfanjon
01-29-2008, 06:40 PM
Not sure if this has been posted, but saw it on the NFL-N page,

Mooch discussing Redskins' Rumor:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80653bfe

Make of that what you will.

Sure sounds like Snyder has been in his ear....this makes perfect sense.

shally
01-29-2008, 06:44 PM
saw that to seems like a good idea to me

snyderato are in C.Y.A. mode... interviewing far and wide to deflect the torrent of abuse that will follow a fassel selection as HC...

while i dont feel that fassel would be a terrible selection, the torrent of abuse that will spew forth will mean that there is ZERO honeymoon for this coaching staff and FO.. heaven help snyder if the team gets off to a slow start next season under fassel. there would be a lot of sympathy and patience if spags or meeks gets selected. less if mooch is selected but ZERO if fassel is selected

not only will guys like pastarelly and queen and banks have an absolute field day, the fan base will will be enraged to an extent only last seen with marty.
it will get beyond ugly

that is what this is all about. showing the world that no effort has been spared to get the BEST possible HC for the skins. transparent is all i can say.
got to feel for fassel if he is the choice. the pressure he will get will be as intense as any he felt in NY...

Syllable
01-29-2008, 07:02 PM
Mooch is open to suggestions, so I guess it's on Snyder's side too see if he wants Mooch or will be able to give Mooch the freedoms he wants.