Who is Going to Be the Head Coach NOW? (Round 4)

[smoak]

I figured with us interviewing Meeks agains and waiting until after the Super Bowl to decide, now would be a good time to freshen up the poll in an attempt to follow the fractured mind of Dan and Vin.

Note: I am leaving Grimm off this poll b/c he is a fan favorite despite there being zero indication that we are interested.

[smoak]

I voted Spags, but I also like Meeks (and of course Grimm who isn't an option).

[Patrick]

TBH - at this point I really don't care. I just want Snyder to make his selection and we move on.

[GolfFreak]

I voted Mooch, the latest JLC article really makes you think. It all seems to be falling into place for him to be our next HC.

[Smiley]

I went with Mooch. Better than Fossil (I know how it's spelled).

[joethefan]

not because i want the guy but jlc may have cracked open the egg here...with mooch
esp with the agent saying "no comment"after being asked about mooch and the hc position here

[Skins7ny]

Based on today's information, I voted Mooch. I respect Mariucci, although he was clueless in Detroit, and would be happy with him just as I would be happy with Zorn, except for one thing:

I AM A WASHINGTON REDSKINS FAN, NOT A SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS FAN (NOR A DENVER BRONCOS FAN, NOR A TEXANS FAN, NOR A SEAHAWKS FAN, NOR A PACKERS FAN), and I HATE THE WEST COAST OFFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are going to run the WCO next year, and if you are going to do so, it makes sense to have Marriuci as HC. The jury is out on whether he succeeded in San Fran b/c of Walsh's legacy or because he is on his own a good coach (or combination of both). Here, he will be getting the personnel support he was used to in Detroit along with the front office interference he was used to in San Francisco. I like and respect Mooch, but I don't want him as HC of my team. I respect what Walsh did, but to me, Walsh was a publicity/credit hog, who helped manuever his 49ers to getting some of the national prominence that belonged to the Gibbs teams of the 80s and early 90s. Walsh and Gibbs were prime competitors throughout, with different styles of play. While the differences were often overestimated (the notion that the 49ers were a finesse team was never true, and the notion that we were solely a grind-it-out conservative offense was also never true), it galls me to see us switching from Gibbs' offense (by way of Saunders, still part with Gibbs of the Coryell coaching tree) to Walsh's. I am sorry, as a 35-year Redskins fan, I don't like it!!!!!

[smoak]

For the record, I really like Mooch. He rebuilt that Niners team much quicker than I expected.

But I prefer a defensive minded head coach b/c I worry about Blache a bit...

[smoak]

Based on today's information, I voted Mooch. I respect Mariucci, although he was clueless in Detroit, and would be happy with him just as I would be happy with Zorn, except for one thing:

I AM A WASHINGTON REDSKINS FAN, NOT A SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS FAN (NOR A DENVER BRONCOS FAN, NOR A TEXANS FAN, NOR A SEAHAWKS FAN, NOR A PACKERS FAN), and I HATE THE WEST COAST OFFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are going to run the WCO next year, and if you are going to do so, it makes sense to have Marriuci as HC. The jury is out on whether he succeeded in San Fran b/c of Walsh's legacy or because he is on his own a good coach (or combination of both). Here, he will be getting the personnel support he was used to in Detroit along with the front office interference he was used to in San Francisco. I like and respect Mooch, but I don't want him as HC of my team. I respect what Walsh did, but to me, Walsh was a publicity/credit hog, who helped manuever his 49ers to getting some of the national prominence that belonged to the Gibbs teams of the 80s and early 90s. Walsh and Gibbs were prime competitors throughout, with different styles of play. While the differences were often overestimated (the notion that the 49ers were a finesse team was never true, and the notion that we were solely a grind-it-out conservative offense was also never true), it galls me to see us switching from Gibbs' offense (by way of Saunders, still part with Gibbs of the Coryell coaching tree) to Walsh's. I am sorry, as a 35-year Redskins fan, I don't like it!!!!!

While I completely agree, I will say that I don't dislike a modified WCO (which isn't much like Walsh's version and shouldn't be called WCO). If you went with a hybrid that took all the best elements of Andy Reid's passing attack and combined them with the run focus in Seattle, and I think you have something. (Side note: I do remember a quote from Holmgren about not liking the run first attack and going back to a heavier pass ratio for the playoffs.) I just the Eagles have a good scheme that is at time drastically undermined by Reid's inability to recognize the importance of running the football. Go back to the two home NFC championship losses and Dues was eating both Tampa and Carolina alive when Reid decides to get cute and chuck the ball around... Last year, their turnaround had more to do with the newly found commitment to the running game than it did Jeff Garcia (IMO).

One other problem I see is that we need MORE WCO assistants (IMO). We have Zorn.

[bergiemoore]

For the record, I really like Mooch. He rebuilt that Niners team much quicker than I expected.

But I prefer a defensive minded head coach b/c I worry about Blache a bit...

Out of the 2 coordinators, Zorn and Blache, I worry more about Zorn. Blache has not only been a DC before, but he was very successful as a DC in Chicago. Zorn, on the other hand, has no experience running an entire offense. I think that signs point to an offensive minded coach being appointed the next HC for the Skins based on this reasoning.

Personally, I'm not wild about any of the HC candidates right now, given that they will already have these coordinators to work with. I would prefer to give the HC position to Spagnuolo, and allow him to pick his own DC, while at the same time hiring an experienced OC, or just keep Saunders and let him run his offense sans the Gibbs filter, but since that ain't happening, I'll just keep drinking.

[redskin_rich]

Based on today's information, I voted Mooch. I respect Mariucci, although he was clueless in Detroit, and would be happy with him just as I would be happy with Zorn, except for one thing:

I AM A WASHINGTON REDSKINS FAN, NOT A SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS FAN (NOR A DENVER BRONCOS FAN, NOR A TEXANS FAN, NOR A SEAHAWKS FAN, NOR A PACKERS FAN), and I HATE THE WEST COAST OFFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are going to run the WCO next year, and if you are going to do so, it makes sense to have Marriuci as HC. The jury is out on whether he succeeded in San Fran b/c of Walsh's legacy or because he is on his own a good coach (or combination of both). Here, he will be getting the personnel support he was used to in Detroit along with the front office interference he was used to in San Francisco. I like and respect Mooch, but I don't want him as HC of my team. I respect what Walsh did, but to me, Walsh was a publicity/credit hog, who helped manuever his 49ers to getting some of the national prominence that belonged to the Gibbs teams of the 80s and early 90s. Walsh and Gibbs were prime competitors throughout, with different styles of play. While the differences were often overestimated (the notion that the 49ers were a finesse team was never true, and the notion that we were solely a grind-it-out conservative offense was also never true), it galls me to see us switching from Gibbs' offense (by way of Saunders, still part with Gibbs of the Coryell coaching tree) to Walsh's. I am sorry, as a 35-year Redskins fan, I don't like it!!!!!
Regardless of who the Head Coach is, the WCO is going to be our system now, that has already been determined. I don't like it any more than you but you need to remove that consideration from your thinking on who the next coach will be.


It's Mooch or Fassel, I think and I would take Fassel slightly over Mooch. Kind of like choosing leftover meatloaf over leftover salisbury steak.

[Skins7ny]

For the record, I really like Mooch. He rebuilt that Niners team much quicker than I expected.

But I prefer a defensive minded head coach b/c I worry about Blache a bit...

I thought Blache was an excellent hire. I think he will do an excellent job, but I do think he needs more talent than we have. I am hopeful that he will be better than GW at making halftime adjustments, but I don't think that he can make chicken salad out of chicken feathers the way GW showed he could at times. I thought Blache was better than most of the DC candidates who were out there to be hired at the time, and he does provide some continuity in scheme. I am hopeful that the way is now paved for us to draft some DE's early, but I also think his hiring means we can look forward to Philip Daniels having one more year on our roster.

[smoak]

Out of the 2 coordinators, Zorn and Blache, I worry more about Zorn. Blache has not only been a DC before, but he was very successful as a DC in Chicago. Zorn, on the other hand, has no experience running an entire offense. I think that signs point to an offensive minded coach being appointed the next HC for the Skins based on this reasoning.

Personally, I'm not wild about any of the HC candidates right now, given that the will already have these coordinators to work with. I would prefer to give the HC position to Spagnuolo, and allow him to pick his own DC, while at the same time hiring an experienced OC, or just keep Saunders and let him run his offense sans the Gibbs filter, but since that ain't happening, I'll just keep drinking.

I totally agree. My concerns re: Blache are more around the desire to see us land/develop a top flight DE rather than stick with Phillip Daniels...

I also agree that I am not thrilled with ANY of the candidates. I like Mooch and to a lesser degree Fassel, but I do not want to see them get their next shot here. Meeks and Spags are unknowns, but I prefer than right now... Their upside might be higher, and my expectations are so low that I am not worried about the down side.

Either way.... I'll have what you're having.

[Skins7ny]

While I completely agree, I will say that I don't dislike a modified WCO (which isn't much like Walsh's version and shouldn't be called WCO). If you went with a hybrid that took all the best elements of Andy Reid's passing attack and combined them with the run focus in Seattle, and I think you have something. (Side note: I do remember a quote from Holmgren about not liking the run first attack and going back to a heavier pass ratio for the playoffs.) I just the Eagles have a good scheme that is at time drastically undermined by Reid's inability to recognize the importance of running the football. Go back to the two home NFC championship losses and Dues was eating both Tampa and Carolina alive when Reid decides to get cute and chuck the ball around... Last year, their turnaround had more to do with the newly found commitment to the running game than it did Jeff Garcia (IMO).

One other problem I see is that we need MORE WCO assistants (IMO). We have Zorn.
I don't see how our holdover offensive coaches stick around if Marriuci is our head coach. The whole system is different, including the way the RB's block. I don't think Buges is good fit, if for no other reason than he will be in Marriucci's ear constantly yelling, "pound the rock! you gotta pound the rock!". I think that they are all gone.

And I agree that we have much more to worry about with Zorn than with Blache. Just because Zorn was a good QB coach, doesn't mean that he will be a good OC. If Mariucci is there, that cushions some of the risk. I am not saying Zorn won't be a good OC, all signs point upwards on him, but he has never done it before, so I am more worried about him.
Regardless of who the Head Coach is, the WCO is going to be our system now, that has already been determined. I don't like it any more than you but you need to remove that consideration from your thinking on who the next coach will be.


It's Mooch or Fassel, I think and I would take Fassel slightly over Mooch. Kind of like choosing leftover meatloaf over leftover salisbury steak.

I am swallowing my medicine, but that doesn't mean I have to like it!

[smoak]

I thought Blache was an excellent hire. I think he will do an excellent job, but I do think he needs more talent than we have. I am hopeful that he will be better than GW at making halftime adjustments, but I don't think that he can make chicken salad out of chicken feathers the way GW showed he could at times. I thought Blache was better than most of the DC candidates who were out there to be hired at the time, and he does provide some continuity in scheme. I am hopeful that the way is now paved for us to draft some DE's early, but I also think his hiring means we can look forward to Philip Daniels having one more year on our roster.

Yeah, maybe I am more anti-Daniels than anything b/c I like Blache? I will always appreciate Daniels "where in the frozen planes of the ninth ring of hell did that come from" performance against dallass in '05, but I want a younger kid in there. I preferred to keep Wynn over Daniels myself b/c at least Wynn was a dominate run stopper at the point of attack that you could rotate with a youngin'...

[bergiemoore]

I totally agree. My concerns re: Blache are more around the desire to see us land/develop a top flight DE rather than stick with Phillip Daniels...

I also agree that I am not thrilled with ANY of the candidates. I like Mooch and to a lesser degree Fassel, but I do not want to see them get their next shot here. Meeks and Spags are unknowns, but I prefer than right now... Their upside might be higher, and my expectations are so low that I am not worried about the down side.

Either way.... I'll have what you're having.

:beer:

[dj_stouty]

I voted Spags, but I also like Meeks (and of course Grimm who isn't an option).

Ditto. Voted Spags, but wouldn't mind Meeks either.

True that Spags (I dig the nickname, Smoak) was only the DC in NY for 1 season, but he turned them into the best defensive unit that franchise has had since their superbowl run in 2000. AND, he did it with an emphasis on a front-four pass rush. I'd love to see that here in Washington.

The Colts' defense is an enigma to me. They seem to alternate from top 11 to top 25-isth every other year. Not sure how much of that has to do with Ron, but it is noteworthy, especially after we have seen seesaws like that with GW. I do like the fact that Meeks has squeezed every last bit of talent and performance out of Bob Sanders and I'm guessing he could do the same with Landry.

So...1 vote Spags...with Meeks a close 2nd.

Mooch and Fassel are too easy to make fun of. One tears up too damn often ala Vermeil and the other is too weak to be a leader for players like Portis. Gibbs knew how to coach Clinton...but I'm not sure Jim would.

[bergiemoore]

Yeah, maybe I am more anti-Daniels than anything b/c I like Blache? I will always appreciate Daniels "where in the frozen planes of the ninth ring of hell did that come from" performance against dallass in '05, but I want a younger kid in there. I preferred to keep Wynn over Daniels myself b/c at least Wynn was a dominate run stopper at the point of attack that you could rotate with a youngin'...

I thought that Daniels was a good addition in 2004, and continued to play well in 2005. He needed to have been replaced in 2006, and 2007 was just gratuitous misery, although I did like they way they lined him up on 3rd and long as a DT. Hopefully, with a nearly full complement of picks, the FO can find it in their hearts to lend some help at the DE position.

[warpaint]

voted other. i know before how surprise i was when it was announced gibbs was coming back, was thinking fassel was the man,but makes no sense if was him why wouldnt have been announced already,thing i cant get out of my mind is why wait until after the super bowl , know all points to mcdaniels and
spagunolo being able to be interviewed, but what if were waiting for howie long to have finished for the year ?? bottom line just think it will be someone
we havent discussed here .

[joethefan]

Ditto. Voted Spags, but wouldn't mind Meeks either.

True that Spags (I dig the nickname, Smoak) was only the DC in NY for 1 season, but he turned them into the best defensive unit that franchise has had since their superbowl run in 2000. AND, he did it with an emphasis on a front-four pass rush. I'd love to see that here in Washington.

The Colts' defense is an enigma to me. They seem to alternate from top 11 to top 25-isth every other year. Not sure how much of that has to do with Ron, but it is noteworthy, especially after we have seen seesaws like that with GW. I do like the fact that Meeks has squeezed every last bit of talent and performance out of Bob Sanders and I'm guessing he could do the same with Landry.

So...1 vote Spags...with Meeks a close 2nd.

Mooch and Fassel are too easy to make fun of. One tears up too damn often ala Vermeil and the other is too weak to be a leader for players like Portis. Gibbs knew how to coach Clinton...but I'm not sure Jim would.

i disagree i think fossil will be the guy we need for portis....if it is fossil, i would hope he could get in clinton's face and remind him that he really hasn't done anything....and he needs to get his body in better shape earlier...not wait till the 7th game to get his legs under him.gibbs allowed clinton to do what he wanted....part of the problem

[KidBroSweets]

LOL hilarious....people like Steve Mariucci but hate Jim Fassel. It makes no sense. Be consistent, please. Fassel was coach of the year in 97, and also took his team to a super bowl. Mooch was solid in SF but was terrible in Detroit....but so is everyone. At times however he looked completely lost on this sidelines....Gibbsesque. Mariucci wouldnt be the worst thing in the world, even though I dont want him, but I think Fassel is the better coach. With all this being said, I voted on Fassel, but Id rather Spagnuolo be the guy. Ive wanted the hot coordinator all along....whether it be Schwartz or Spagnoulo.

[joethefan]

LOL hilarious....people like Steve Mariucci but hate Jim Fassel. It makes no sense. Be consistent, please. Fassel was coach of the year in 97, and also took his team to a super bowl. Mooch was solid in SF but was terrible in Detroit....but so is everyone. At times however he looked completely lost on this sidelines....Gibbsesque. Mariucci wouldnt be the worst thing in the world, even though I dont want him, but I think Fassel is the better coach. With all this being said, I voted on Fassel, but Id rather Spagnuolo be the guy. Ive wanted the hot coordinator all along....whether it be Schwartz or Spagnoulo.

schwartz just signed a 2 year extention....mooch is more of the players coach....while fossel seems the more stern like coach which what we need IMO.these guys don't need a coach that will allow them to run all over him...whoever it is, expect them to play better based in thier need to keep thier jobs for the future.

[KidBroSweets]

schwartz just signed a 2 year extention....mooch is more of the players coach....while fossel seems the more stern like coach which what we need IMO.these guys don't need a coach that will allow them to run all over him...whoever it is, expect them to play better based in thier need to keep thier jobs for the future.

Yeah I knew about Schwartz....just saying I wanted the hot young coordinator whoever it may be. But yeah, I totally agree with you. We need that disciplinary type coach. I think Spags would be that way too just in watching Giants games. This team has got so used to Gibbs who was almost like a grandfather figure. We need a firey guy in here.

[dj_stouty]

i disagree i think fossil will be the guy we need for portis....if it is fossil, i would hope he could get in clinton's face and remind him that he really hasn't done anything....and he needs to get his body in better shape earlier...not wait till the 7th game to get his legs under him.gibbs allowed clinton to do what he wanted....part of the problem

Jim Fassel is not a "get in your face" type of coach, so I wouldn't count on that happening.

Portis "really hasn't done anything"? Come on, Joe...the guy has averaged about 100 total yards a game over his career as a Redskin; and not to mention carried this team on his back to the playoffs on 2 different occasions.

[redskin_rich]

Jim Fassel is not a "get in your face" type of coach, so I wouldn't count on that happening.

Yes he is. I don't understand how the soft perception of Fassel got started around here but it is simply not true. Fassel is definitely a coach that will rip into his players.

[dj_stouty]

Yes he is. I don't understand how the soft perception of Fassel got started around here but it is simply not true. Fassel is definitely a coach that will rip into his players.

Well that isn't the Jim Fassel I remembered; at least towards the end of his career in New York. IMO, he just doesn't run a tight ship as Head Coach...and I don't see him getting any respect or control over our current crop of players. Jim seems like the kind of guy who would yell for the sake of yelling. I'm not suggesting he will run a Spurrier-esque country club atmostphere, but it could be pretty close.

[joethefan]

Jim Fassel is not a "get in your face" type of coach, so I wouldn't count on that happening.

Portis "really hasn't done anything"? Come on, Joe...the guy has averaged about 100 total yards a game over his career as a Redskin; and not to mention carried this team on his back to the playoffs on 2 different occasions.

so can answer you for his finally getting in game shape after the 6th or 7th after being off the entire pre season game (mistake)and disapearing in some games...

fassel is not the uncle softee, you are making him out to be...

[KidBroSweets]

Jim always ripped into his players. That might be the main thing I remember about him. But to me it seemed like he knew that fine line of how far to go. I like Jim....Id rather Spags be the guy though.

[joethefan]

Jim Fassel is not a "get in your face" type of coach, so I wouldn't count on that happening.

Portis "really hasn't done anything"? Come on, Joe...the guy has averaged about 100 total yards a game over his career as a Redskin; and not to mention carried this team on his back to the playoffs on 2 different occasions.

so our players would like him esp since joe wasn't that type of guy either....

[colkurtz]

I went with Spags. Youth, vigor, recent Superbowl experience and NFC East expertise.

Hey, they haven't even interviewed Mooch ONCE and ppl are thinking he is the man.

Both Fassel and Mooch have both had two other teams. Solid choices but are they just 3-5 year solutions - IF they do well.


Spag first, Meek second. Fossil next then Mooch.

[joethefan]

let me make this clear i am not advocating for fassel, i'm just saying that maybe a guy we need is one that won't be walked over..i feel we need a guy that can challenge these player and not coddle them or make excuses for them....remember the coddling and excuse making got us 4 years of "1 in and we're in"..as opposed to thinking about resting players cause we have 1st round bid

[Red Bear]

why would a lot of you want a coach(spagnuolo) even tho the eagles and giants know him well? his familiarity with the nfc east is as much a disadvantage in my eyes as it is an advantage to some of you, for the reason that other nfc east teams will know our defense too well under spags, giving their offenses an advantage to exploit it...i understand he is a hot coordinator right now, but the giants dline sure helped him a lot...

[ihatedallas]

Going with Spags because there is no other reason to hold off on Fassel. Snyder is waiting for the flashy pick. He saw Spags on the sideline during the Dallas loss...Snyders pretty simple..he sees wat he wants onTV, then goes and gets it :).

[bergiemoore]

Going with Spags because there is no other reason to hold off on Fassel. Snyder is waiting for the flashy pick. He saw Spags on the sideline during the Dallas loss...Snyders pretty simple..he sees wat he wants onTV, then goes and gets it :).

What about the speculation that Snyder has to wait until after the Super Bowl to announce the Mariucci hiring?

[GolfFreak]

What about the speculation that Snyder has to wait until after the Super Bowl to announce the Mariucci hiring?

The JLC article said the reason to wait on Mooch is that he truly wants to do the superbowl for NFL network. If they were to hire him now then it would put more attention on him than the game.

[Red Bear]

The JLC article said the reason to wait on Mooch is that he truly wants to do the superbowl for NFL network. If they were to hire him now then it would put more attention on him than the game.

i thought it was because mariucci is still being paid by detroit and will lose money if he signs before his detroit contract expires

[CNYSkinFan]

Mooooooooch...i am buying into the JLC conspiracy theory

[Skins7ny]

Yeah, maybe I am more anti-Daniels than anything b/c I like Blache? I will always appreciate Daniels "where in the frozen planes of the ninth ring of hell did that come from" performance against dallass in '05, but I want a younger kid in there. I preferred to keep Wynn over Daniels myself b/c at least Wynn was a dominate run stopper at the point of attack that you could rotate with a youngin'...
That is funny, I felt the same exact way about keeping Wynn over Daniels. I think that Daniels played pretty well, given that his pass-rush days are long behind him. He batted a few passes down and played the run well in 2007.
Ditto. Voted Spags, but wouldn't mind Meeks either...
Mooch and Fassel are too easy to make fun of. One tears up too damn often ala Vermeil and the other is too weak to be a leader for players like Portis. Gibbs knew how to coach Clinton...but I'm not sure Jim would.
I don't agree that Gibbs knew how to coach Clinton. Letting a player do what he wants is not the same as coaching him. I think Clinton would eat Fassel alive. Possibly Mariucci as well. My big concerns with them both, apart from hating the WCO, is that I am not convinced either of them are hard worker/burn the midnight oil types, and I think both are too easy on their players. I didn't sense that Marriuci's fire burned too intensely in Detroit, having already succeeded on the field and in the bank. He seemed somewhat resigned to failure, but I could be misreading him or his public persona at the time.
i disagree i think fossil will be the guy we need for portis....if it is fossil, i would hope he could get in clinton's face and remind him that he really hasn't done anything....and he needs to get his body in better shape earlier...not wait till the 7th game to get his legs under him.gibbs allowed clinton to do what he wanted....part of the problem
Joe, I agree with you about JG/CP and I hope you are right about Fassel if we hire him. My recollection is that Fassel let the inmates run the asylum until his last year and a half, when he got tougher in the face of failure. He then threw down the gauntlet, and his players responded. The next year, they all stunk and Fassel was gone. Maybe he learns from that in his next HC job and is tougher on his players from the get-go.
LOL hilarious....people like Steve Mariucci but hate Jim Fassel. It makes no sense. Be consistent, please. Fassel was coach of the year in 97, and also took his team to a super bowl. Mooch was solid in SF but was terrible in Detroit....but so is everyone. At times however he looked completely lost on this sidelines....Gibbsesque. Mariucci wouldnt be the worst thing in the world, even though I dont want him, but I think Fassel is the better coach. With all this being said, I voted on Fassel, but Id rather Spagnuolo be the guy. Ive wanted the hot coordinator all along....whether it be Schwartz or Spagnoulo.
You raise a good point. Fassel has never failed as a HC on so quite a spectacular level as Mooch did in Detroit. Though Fassel's last year in NY was abysmal. I also think it speaks very poorly of Fassel has Tiki be a fumble machine for several years and Coughlin comes in, makes one adjustment, and all of a sudden, Tiki fumbles as often as Riggins.

[dj_stouty]

so our players would like him esp since joe wasn't that type of guy either....


Jim Fassel is no Joe Gibbs. Joe outright earned the respect of his players this time around and he didn't need to flash them his 3 rings to attain that respect. I question just how much respect Jim Fassel truely received in New York.

I'm not saying we need a particular type of coach to get this team ticking. I've seen examples of every possible type of coach work for teams, so I'm open to any that can help the Redskins. I just see Jim Fassel as the type of guy with very little substance, who many yell at a player for no other reason than he thinks he is supposed to do it. And as I've mentioned before, I still will never equate Jim Fassel as the yelling/controlling type like a Coughlin or Marty. He is a good offensive minded guy who just simply does'nt possess the leadership skillset to be a great head coach. He seems to make it up as he goes along, so I'd rather pass on that.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Other.


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[joethefan]

i'd just rather have a guy whoever he is with some SB experience within the last 10 years....we just see fassel as the giants coach that got fired there.....went to the sb...but wanted gw who has never been to the playoffs as a hc...


i'm tired of being conservative....shutting down after we're up 10 at the half, "1 win and were in" or we have to win out or we're out....ect...

[Jon Creveling]

You raise a good point. Fassel has never failed as a HC on so quite a spectacular level as Mooch did in Detroit. Though Fassel's last year in NY was abysmal. I also think it speaks very poorly of Fassel has Tiki be a fumble machine for several years and Coughlin comes in, makes one adjustment, and all of a sudden, Tiki fumbles as often as Riggins.

This adjustment you speak of? What was it? Sorry but I've never seen Tiki credit Coughlin with anything let alone give Tom credit for his own hands. You are correct in that his fumbles fell from 9 down to 5 between 03/04 but how did Coughlin gain credit for this? Certainly Tiki didn't dish that out. How's about it was as simple as a player getting his head out of his ass on his own accord much like I hope Moss does if he stays.

[dj_stouty]

This adjustment you speak of? What was it? Sorry but I've never seen Tiki credit Coughlin with anything let alone give Tom credit for his own hands. You are correct in that his fumbles fell from 9 down to 5 between 03/04 but how did Coughlin gain credit for this? Certainly Tiki didn't dish that out. How's about it was as simple as a player getting his head out of his ass on his own accord much like I hope Moss does if he stays.

It's no secret that Tiki was Coughlin's biggest critic, but Tiki has always credited him with coaching him to hold the ball differently to minimize turnovers.

[shally]

I figured with us interviewing Meeks agains and waiting until after the Super Bowl to decide, now would be a good time to freshen up the poll in an attempt to follow the fractured mind of Dan and Vin.

Note: I am leaving Grimm off this poll b/c he is a fan favorite despite there being zero indication that we are interested.


when the dust settles, it will be mooch... fits snyder like a glove


that said, i would prefer givng either meeks or spanuolo the shot, but snyder does not have the patience

fassel will not make the cut

interesting point... 9 out of 11 of the last superbowl coaches have been fired or might be called retreads.. might have something to do with a separate learning curve to playing inthe playoffs.. norv has gotten beter at it for certain...

[shally]

Going with Spags because there is no other reason to hold off on Fassel. Snyder is waiting for the flashy pick. He saw Spags on the sideline during the Dallas loss...Snyders pretty simple..he sees wat he wants onTV, then goes and gets it :).

mooch has a contract to nfl.tv to comment on the SB... that is another reason to wait..AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, he is paid by detroit through the sb..timing is perfect for him

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I can't believe that Zorn will be all alone running the Offense, but I can believe Blache will with the D, so our HC will be offensive-minded. If we have to wait until the SB is probably because he is still in that game. Therefore, I'm guessing it's going to be McDaniels.

And BTW, I would take Fassel over Mariucci any day if McDaniels is not the guy.

[Monk4HOF]

I really can't see us hiring a defensive guy as the next head coach with the current coordinator lineup we now have. Blache has experience and a successful record as a defensive coordinator, so there is no real reason to have a defensive oriented head coach for oversight. On the other side of the ball we hired a QB coach as offensive coordinator. I really like the move, but I think that it would be smart to have an offensive guy as a head coach - just for that check on the young, inexperienced offensive coordinator.

So, it comes down to Fassel and Mooch for me. I wouldn't hold Mooch's Lions record against him - it would be awfully hard for anyone to win there. I would rather have Fassel - he is use to coaching in a huge market where criticism of every move he makes is a daily obstacle. He went to the SB with an average team. I would like to see an offensive minded head coach with previous head coaching experience as the guy to guide this team forward.

I support the moves that Snyder has made here. We maintained continuity on the side of the ball that we had most success with. And we are moving forward on the offensive side with the number one priority of developing our young franchise QB.

[shally]

I really can't see us hiring a defensive guy as the next head coach with the current coordinator lineup we now have. Blache has experience and a successful record as a defensive coordinator, so there is no real reason to have a defensive oriented head coach for oversight. On the other side of the ball we hired a QB coach as offensive coordinator. I really like the move, but I think that it would be smart to have an offensive guy as a head coach - just for that check on the young, inexperienced offensive coordinator.

So, it comes down to Fassel and Mooch for me. I wouldn't hold Mooch's Lions record against him - it would be awfully hard for anyone to win there. I would rather have Fassel - he is use to coaching in a huge market where criticism of every move he makes is a daily obstacle. He went to the SB with an average team. I would like to see an offensive minded head coach with previous head coaching experience as the guy to guide this team forward.

I support the moves that Snyder has made here. We maintained continuity on the side of the ball that we had most success with. And we are moving forward on the offensive side with the number one priority of developing our young franchise QB.

except that apparently blache really didnt want to be DC.. he took the job to save the jobs of the assistants and for the sake of the players... i dont think blache would be any obstacle to spagnuolo or meeks becoming HC as he would then focus on the DL, which is what he really enjoys doing..

[Hrabanmaur]

except that apparently blache really didnt want to be DC.. he took the job to save the jobs of the assistants and for the sake of the players... i dont think blache would be any obstacle to spagnuolo or meeks becoming HC as he would then focus on the DL, which is what he really enjoys doing..

How do we know that Blache took the job only to save the jobs of the assistants? Source?

It sounded like from JLC's article that Blache worked not only in D-line work but also in game planning. He seems to be happy working behind the scenes to complement, which bodes well if we have a defensive HC that wants to really run the show.

[RoanokeSkin]

why would a lot of you want a coach(spagnuolo) even tho the eagles and giants know him well? his familiarity with the nfc east is as much a disadvantage in my eyes as it is an advantage to some of you, for the reason that other nfc east teams will know our defense too well under spags, giving their offenses an advantage to exploit it...i understand he is a hot coordinator right now, but the giants dline sure helped him a lot...

I dont buy this for a second. They will know what scheme he is using, but year after year teams study film on Jim Johnson's defense in Philly and their defense is still stout.

Bottom line is coaching is all about adjustments. The guys who make them win and the guys that don't fail. I am ready for some young blood. I want Spags.

[bergiemoore]

Pete Carrol apparently interviewed for about 8-9 hours today, before coming to a mutual agreement with the Skins FO that he would not want the job due to lack of control issues.

[RedskinsDave]

Pete Carrol apparently interviewed for about 8-9 hours today, before coming to a mutual agreement with the Skins FO that he would not want the job due to lack of control issues.

Not today but in the last week.

[shally]

Not today but in the last week.

i dont know that carroll will ever return to the nfl.. unless it is to a team that has just finished going 19-0 and won the SB...

i dont think he has the taste for a rebuilding project and he has gotten spoiled by getting the cream of recruits year in and year out

further, i dont think that any coach should be given total control over a franchise and there is nothing in carroll's nfl resume that suggests that giving him total control is going to result in a perpetual winner

[skins111111]

I just hope its not fassel......Mouch is interesting......but if everything is put off till after the SB you can't help but think its spagnola

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Why is Grimm's name excluded and not allowed in the other? I voted for Meeks, the man has been coaching since 1984. I really don't know anymore.

[Meatsnack]

I voted Mariucci because of the connections to the current Redskins organization already discussed elsewhere. That doesn't mean I like it, just that it seems it is headed that way.

[NCskinsfanatic]

IMO it's Mooch or fassel...period. We will interview the giants and Pats coordinators but with Zorn as our OC I dont se anyway we dont hire an offensive guyt , especially one that has ties to a WCO. I dont think Mooch can be hired until after the SB, his agent did the non-denial thing when asked and Fassel is probably the fall back option should Mooch decline. I dont see Spags or Mcdaniel leaving to work in DC when the dont even have a say or any connection to either of our coordinators...money or no money.

[Skins7ny]

This adjustment you speak of? What was it? Sorry but I've never seen Tiki credit Coughlin with anything let alone give Tom credit for his own hands. You are correct in that his fumbles fell from 9 down to 5 between 03/04 but how did Coughlin gain credit for this? Certainly Tiki didn't dish that out. How's about it was as simple as a player getting his head out of his ass on his own accord much like I hope Moss does if he stays.
I am not a Coughlin fan, but the way Tiki dissed him is ridiculous. Under Fassel, Tiki was a talented runner who was constantly in danger of losing his starting job because of his frequent fumbles. Coughlin taught him to hold the fall in what parents of infants call the "football hold" (with the palm of the hand over the far nose of the football and the football held up to the chest, elbow at a arm at a "V"-shaped angle).
The only good thing about the Giants making the super bowl is that it shuts Tiki up a bit about how invaluable he was to the team. He was a infection in that locker room, and now everybody knows it.

BTW, THE RULE IS THAT THE YEAR AFTER THE GIANTS WIN THE SUPER BOWL, WE WIN IT. But I still can't bring myself to root for the boys in blue.

I voted Mariucci because of the connections to the current Redskins organization already discussed elsewhere. That doesn't mean I like it, just that it seems it is headed that way.
I voted that way as well because it looked (looks?) to be heading that way this morning, but who knows? If he is the choice, then I will have to get used to my favorite team looking like the 49ers. If not, I can tell myself it is just the OC, and all the other coaches (except Lazor and Byner) remain intact (admittedly a bit harder to convince myself of this is Fassel is the choice).

[smoak]

Well that isn't the Jim Fassel I remembered; at least towards the end of his career in New York. IMO, he just doesn't run a tight ship as Head Coach...and I don't see him getting any respect or control over our current crop of players. Jim seems like the kind of guy who would yell for the sake of yelling. I'm not suggesting he will run a Spurrier-esque country club atmostphere, but it could be pretty close.

I'm with you amigo!? It wasn't the Fassel I remembered either... I think his last couple years left a bigger impression than the first couple?

I didn't vote for Mooch, but I'd be on board with him.

[smoak]

Why is Grimm's name excluded and not allowed in the other? I voted for Meeks, the man has been coaching since 1984. I really don't know anymore.

Simply b/c there has been zero indication that we have even a passing interest in asking Grimm to fetch coffee for Dan Snyder...

I don't like it and I wish Grimm was at least interviewed, but if we put him in the poll he'd win on fan popularity. The second there is any whiff of Grimm even getting a prank call about the job we'll move to poll #5. :D

[hogs86]

After watching the NFL network tonight . I am 100 % convenced it is Mooch. Adam Schefter said he talked to Steve Mariucci and he said Steve Mariucci did not say he did or did not talk to the redskins. But he did say he is ready to get back into coaching soon. Take it for what it is i am going with Steve Mariucci.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/dadssportsroom/steve-mariucci.jpg

[LATrueRedskin]

Spags. But I definately wouldn't mind giving Meeks a shot, though.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

man, i am more clueless than alicia silverstone right now. i have no idea with all the speculation and rumors going around and im trying not to let all of the talk bother me, but i cant help but get wrapped up in the nonsense.

[hogs86]

This is the link from the NFL network. Adam Schefter talking about Steve Mariucci. It starts about 3:10 into video you need to go down to the more videos and pick the 3rd one.

Link http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/showscontent?page=/nflnetwork/programs/totalaccess&subjectType=totalaccess

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Can someone explain to me why Mariuci is better than Fassel?

[oldskinfan]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I would call it a duck.

Based on all the circumstantial evidence, my bet is on the Mooch. Not crazy about that choice though. In the end, this was less a football choice than a "whose your buddy" choice for the Danny trying to rub elbows w/ the football crowd.

[Hr fan]

Voted Spagnulo tho it is iffy. All other candidates could be hired now, so the wait until after the SB could be significant. Whatever, Spagnulo would have to agree with Zorn, which he couldn't have given the league's no-contact rules. I expect the new HC to be D oriented since the Zorn hire, meaning Meeks or Spagnulo, and Spagnulo may not want to work under the current managers.

[Jon Creveling]

I am not a Coughlin fan, but the way Tiki dissed him is ridiculous. Under Fassel, Tiki was a talented runner who was constantly in danger of losing his starting job because of his frequent fumbles. Coughlin taught him to hold the fall in what parents of infants call the "football hold" (with the palm of the hand over the far nose of the football and the football held up to the chest, elbow at a arm at a "V"-shaped angle).
The only good thing about the Giants making the super bowl is that it shuts Tiki up a bit about how invaluable he was to the team. He was a infection in that locker room, and now everybody knows it.



Sorry if the tone of original post came off as pissy. But I have never seen Tiki credit either Coughlin nor rb coach Ingram for holding onto the ball better, nor for that matter blame Jim. Then again Tiki credits no one but Tiki.

[Jon Creveling]

Can someone explain to me why Mariuci is better than Fassel?

Don't hold your breath for a straight answer:)! I'll try:) He won the playoff game 39-38 over Jim. That sounds like something that would be passed off the past week.

[dogfight6]

The new head coach is Daniel Snyder. He already has his choice of assistants and all he needs now is the puppet he can stick his hand in. So lets get Jeff Dunham to give us Walter or Peanuts so we can at least laugh.

[colkurtz]

why would a lot of you want a coach(spagnuolo) even tho the eagles and giants know him well? his familiarity with the nfc east is as much a disadvantage in my eyes as it is an advantage to some of you, for the reason that other nfc east teams will know our defense too well under spags, giving their offenses an advantage to exploit it...i understand he is a hot coordinator right now, but the giants dline sure helped him a lot...

Spang's is going for Head coach, and there already is a defensive coordinator [and soon to be DL coach]. He has intimate knowledge of the weaknesses of the other NFC Beast teams that we will play twice every season. Plus he knows what problems the Redskins have had - and solutions to fix those issues.

[colkurtz]

mooch has a contract to nfl.tv to comment on the SB... that is another reason to wait..AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, he is paid by detroit through the sb..timing is perfect for him

I guess I'm really missing something here. Has Mooch even interviewed yet? How can you hire a guy that you haven't even talked to? Or was this all done in secret?

Edit: Answering myself here - just saw the piece on the NFL channel. Wow, it appears that Mooch may have been interviewed in secret. If this is so, then the hiring of the DC, OC and DL coach may all have been done with his concurrence.

[dj_stouty]

If it really is a toss up between Mooch and Fassel, then I'll reluctantly hope for Mooch. But I still prefer to hire one of the younger coordinators to let him try and make his mark on the NFL.

[dj_stouty]

Sorry if the tone of original post came off as pissy. But I have never seen Tiki credit either Coughlin nor rb coach Ingram for holding onto the ball better, nor for that matter blame Jim. Then again Tiki credits no one but Tiki.

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3003699)...text below.


Barber credits Coughlin with solving his chronic fumbling problems but wrote that he believes it was his performance that kept Coughlin employed by the Giants. Under Coughlin, Barber ranked among the NFL's top five rushers; in the three seasons beginning in 2004, Barber gained 1,518 (fifth), 1,860 (second) and 1,662 yards (fourth).

[colkurtz]

If it really is a toss up between Mooch and Fassel, then I'll reluctantly hope for Mooch. But I still prefer to hire one of the younger coordinators to let him try and make his mark on the NFL.

Agreed - I'd rather go with the younger guys, but if it's mooch or Fossil, I take Mooch. At least after a couple seasons on the NFL Channel, we can anticipate an improvement in the HC press conferences, if he is chosen!

[Brit'Skin]

I hope its Spagnuolo and thats why we are waiting but I an expecting it to be Fassel.

[Skins7ny]

Sorry if the tone of original post came off as pissy. But I have never seen Tiki credit either Coughlin nor rb coach Ingram for holding onto the ball better, nor for that matter blame Jim. Then again Tiki credits no one but Tiki.
No offense taken, bro! I saw that link that stouty posted, but whenever Tiki says anything positive about Coughlin, he tempers it with something negative. That said, I really didn't think that the combination of Droughns and Jacobs would make up for the loss of Tiki. It didn't, but the Giants found a couple of guys on the fringes (Ward, a free agent cut by several teams, and Bradshaw, a 7th-rounder) and even traded away another great RB, Ryan Grant, for a 6th-rounder. Proves my point once again that a good RB is one of the easiest things to find in the NFL.
If it really is a toss up between Mooch and Fassel, then I'll reluctantly hope for Mooch. But I still prefer to hire one of the younger coordinators to let him try and make his mark on the NFL.
I have thought about it some more, and I think at this point I prefer Fassel. Why (1) his version of the WCO will be much more east-coast tempered than Mooch's due to (2) his experience in the NFC East, which includes a very good record against the Cows and Eagles, (3) I think he may have learned from his experience with the Giants to be tougher with his players; I don't think Mariucci will be, and (4) I remember him being a brilliant (not just very good) coordinator with the Cards (I remember a couple of games in which Boomer Esiason beat us, and Fassel's playcalling was just great. Also, the Giants got hot a few years ago when Fassel took play calling back from Sean Payton. I give him a pass for Baltimore and his Billick/Kyle Boller failure.

[Redskinmayhem]

I'm still thinking Spags although Mooch is creeping into my brain. Why else would they be waiting so long??? I think they're waiting until after the SB to finalize things with SPags. I just don't see why they would wait if it was anyone else.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

No offense taken, bro! I saw that link that stouty posted, but whenever Tiki says anything positive about Coughlin, he tempers it with something negative. That said, I really didn't think that the combination of Droughns and Jacobs would make up for the loss of Tiki. It didn't, but the Giants found a couple of guys on the fringes (Ward, a free agent cut by several teams, and Bradshaw, a 7th-rounder) and even traded away another great RB, Ryan Grant, for a 6th-rounder. Proves my point once again that a good RB is one of the easiest things to find in the NFL.

I have thought about it some more, and I think at this point I prefer Fassel. Why (1) his version of the WCO will be much more east-coast tempered than Mooch's due to (2) his experience in the NFC East, which includes a very good record against the Cows and Eagles, (3) I think he may have learned from his experience with the Giants to be tougher with his players; I don't think Mariucci will be, and (4) I remember him being a brilliant (not just very good) coordinator with the Cards (I remember a couple of games in which Boomer Esiason beat us, and Fassel's playcalling was just great. Also, the Giants got hot a few years ago when Fassel took play calling back from Sean Payton. I give him a pass for Baltimore and his Billick/Kyle Boller failure.

I agree with the reasons you stated as to why Fassel would be better than Mooch.

I think a lot of people here have revisionist history as to who Fassel is. And by the way, if you go back through threads on Giant message boards (see NFL tribe on this forum) there were a lot of Giant fans saying Fassel just made the Redskins much more difficult to beat. There are a lot of Giant fans that have a ton of respect for Fassel.

Given the choice, I take Fassel over Mooch.

[Keino]

Im convinced our next coach is going to be Steve Mariucci. All of the Asst. Coach hires point to previous relationships/coaching stints, including the Larry Brooks hire.

Check out this Blog by Dan Steinberg. He puts an embedded video in which he corners Rich Eisen. Watch Eisen's comments and tell me if you don't come away with the same impression.

Link (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/01/rich_eisen_on_the_skins_coachi.html)

[Keino]

BTW - What concerns me about Mooch is that in SF, he didn't have a very disciplined operation from what I remember. I won't judge him for his Lions stint. Nobody will win as long as William Clay Ford owns that team.

[CNYSkinFan]

Im convinced our next coach is going to be Steve Mariucci. All of the Asst. Coach hires point to previous relationships/coaching stints, including the Larry Brooks hire.

Check out this Blog by Dan Steinberg. He puts an embedded video in which he corners Rich Eisen. Watch Eisen's comments and tell me if you don't come away with the same impression.

Link (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/01/rich_eisen_on_the_skins_coachi.html)
yeah...done deal, unless Eisen ins the biggest dead pan artist in America

[Jon Creveling]

BTW - What concerns me about Mooch is that in SF, he didn't have a very disciplined operation from what I remember.

Someone refresh our memories, was he the H.C. when T.O. freaked out on the O.C.?

[fent]

Someone refresh our memories, was he the H.C. when T.O. freaked out on the O.C.?

was that TOs last season? if so, it was one season off. Mooch was there through 2002 and TO through 2003.

[Jon Creveling]

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3003699)...text below.

DJ, Thanks for the link and Laugh:) that just sounds so Tiki-ish!

[NCskinsfanatic]

yeah...done deal, unless Eisen ins the biggest dead pan artist in America

Yeah Rich knows a lil somethin, somethin IMO...Mooch is who i voted would be the next HC, his contract with the Lions isnt done until after the SB, he has to also cover the SB for NFL network...hence the wait. I actually prefer Mooch to Fassel so it works for me.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Please, somebody make me feel good about this...

Why is Mariucci better than Fassel?

[NCskinsfanatic]

Please, somebody make me feel good about this...

Why is Mariucci better than Fassel?

I think coaching wise they're pretty equal, I just prefer Mooch on a personal level to Fossil.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I think coaching wise they're pretty equal, I just prefer Mooch on a personal level to Fossil.
Why? I consider him soft... and I don't think that's what this team needs.

[Keino]

Please, somebody make me feel good about this...

Why is Mariucci better than Fassel?

Frankly, I don't know that he is. However, I will say that Mooch is tons more charismatic than Fassel, something of a requirement to deal with the rabid fans/press corp. in Washington.

Both coaches have lost locker-rooms.

[Monk4HOF]

except that apparently blache really didnt want to be DC.. he took the job to save the jobs of the assistants and for the sake of the players... i dont think blache would be any obstacle to spagnuolo or meeks becoming HC as he would then focus on the DL, which is what he really enjoys doing..

I actually think of it less as Blache being an obstacle to a defensive oriented head coach and more that he would be a comfort for an offensive minded head coach. Can we really see ourselves going into next season with Zorn being the top man responsible for the offense with no experienced oversight? Again, I think he is a great hire, but his major responsibilities will be developing JC and calling plays. I hope there is someone with more experience developing an offensive gameplan who is on the radar screen for HC. Someone who can mentor and guide Zorn. I think Blache requires no mentoring and little guidance and I am confident that the defense will stay solid with him having ultimate responsibility for that side of the ball.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Please, somebody make me feel good about this...

Why is Mariucci better than Fassel?

Keino sums it up for me at the bottom of the previous page, Fassel also strikes me as the type to always deflect blame ala Norv Turner, atleast from the press conferences I remember watching. I'm in know way saying one's a better coach than the other I just like Mooch and his personality in comparison to Fassel. Plus he's a NYG coach to me, regardless of his time with the ratbirds. And my lil bro who is a big Giants fan really soured on him towards the end for his lack of a backbone and inability to do more with his teams. I suppose I'm basing my opinions on the aforementioned info, but I wont be disgusted if Fassel is the guy over Mooch, I just prefer Moochs' personality to Jims...and really IMO that's all either coach can bring at this point with a staff already in place.

[hogs86]

This is another video from the NFL network talking to Mooch.

Link http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80653bfe

[James F. Quinn]

mooch has a contract to nfl.tv to comment on the SB... that is another reason to wait..AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT, he is paid by detroit through the sb..timing is perfect for him

I would assume that the money he will get from nfl.tv and the Lions is pocket change compared to what he would get from Dan from day one. That doesn't impress me as an argument. If he wanted to be honorable and fulfil his commitment to his TV contract, that would impress me more.

[hogs86]

He said he enjoys what he is doing right now, but if the right opportunity came along he would make a family decision.
I am reading between the lines, his contract is up Sunday. Also his tie gives it away. (LOL) IMO i would love to have him as the skins coach.

[dj_stouty]

I would assume that the money he will get from nfl.tv and the Lions is pocket change compared to what he would get from Dan from day one. That doesn't impress me as an argument. If he wanted to be honorable and fulfil his commitment to his TV contract, that would impress me more.

I'm not overly impressed. After all...the SB is this Sunday. Not an extremely long time to hold out if you ask me.

Either way, Mooch is smart for staying with his currently contracts until Sunday. After Sunday, he will have gotten it both ways.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I would assume that the money he will get from nfl.tv and the Lions is pocket change compared to what he would get from Dan from day one. That doesn't impress me as an argument. If he wanted to be honorable and fulfil his commitment to his TV contract, that would impress me more.

He collects a full paycheck from the Lions while he is employed by the NFL Network until the end of his contract (2/3/08 according to media reports). He loses that paycheck from the Lions once he becomes employed by Snyder, which may as well wait until after 2/3/08.

Having said that, I don't think that is what is holding up the announcement. I do think Spags will be interviewed first. In order for Spags to get the job, 2 things have to happen. First, he must have a good interview and second he has to be willing to accept a coaching staff already in place.

Assuming one of those two things do not happen, then it seems that Mooch or Fassel will be the coach.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

It would be funny if Mooch is hired. Clearly Dan wanted to keep a secret. Score one for the kid reporter from the Wash. Po.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

He said he enjoys what he is doing right now, but if the right opportunity came along he would make a family decision.
I am reading between the lines, his contract is up Sunday. Also his tie gives it away. (LOL) IMO i would love to have him as the skins coach.
You would love it? Why?

I understand that some people want him over Fassel because of negative opinions about him, but why would you love if he became the next HC? That's the thing I don't understand, what has he accomplished?

[SkinsfaninNJ]

You would love it? Why?

I understand that some people want him over Fassel because of negative opinions about him, but why would you love if he became the next HC? That's the thing I don't understand, what has he accomplished?

I'm with you JJT. Fassel was hated but Mooch is loved? Makes no sense to me.

[hogs86]

This coms from Rotoworld.

NFL Network analyst Steve Mariucci could reportedly meet with the Redskins regarding their head coaching vacancy by as early as Wednesday.

Colts defensive coordinator Ron Meeks is in for a second interview Tuesday, but it would be a surprise if a defensive mind got the job. Mariucci and Jim Fassel appear to be the current frontrunners to succeed retired Joe Gibbs.
Source: Washington Times


Link http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL

[hogs86]

You would love it? Why?

I understand that some people want him over Fassel because of negative opinions about him, but why would you love if he became the next HC? That's the thing I don't understand, what has he accomplished?


He is a great motivator, always optimistic and positive, great communicator. IMO the better coach.( No one wins in Detroit !!)

[CNYSkinFan]

I'm with you JJT. Fassel was hated but Mooch is loved? Makes no sense to me.
well I am sure something has to do with him being a former nbfc east coach. We hated the guy for four years, mooch we just felt sorry for.

I am not saying it is logical but it is what it is

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

He is a great motivator, always optimistic and positive, great communicator. IMO the better coach.( No one wins in Detroit !!)
Great, not one compliment that has something to do with football per se. No one wins in Detroit because they have a terrible owner and a terrible GM, how is that different here? At least we know he'll be positive and smile every time we lose.

Don't get me wrong, I'll support him if he is indeed the next HC, but I don't understand the fascination with him, especially from people who dislike Fassel.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

well I am sure something has to do with him being a former nbfc east coach. We hated the guy for four years, mooch we just felt sorry for.

I am not saying it is logical but it is what it is
IMO it speaks better of an "enemy" when you hate him than when you feel sorry for him.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

well I am sure something has to do with him being a former nbfc east coach. We hated the guy for four years, mooch we just felt sorry for.

I am not saying it is logical but it is what it is

Its strange, Fassel is hated and loses points for being a former Giants HC, but many posters have said what a great benefit it would be to have Spags since he is so familiar with the NFC East with Eagles and now Giants.

I don't want to come off as this big Fassel supporter, but I find a lot of hypocracy in what people are saying.

[Keino]

Great, not one compliment that has something to do with football per se. No one wins in Detroit because they have a terrible owner and a terrible GM, how is that different here? At least we know he'll be positive and smile every time we lose.

Don't get me wrong, I'll support him if he is indeed the next HC, but I don't understand the fascination with him, especially from people who dislike Fassel.

If you view them as equal talents from a coaching standpoint, then the attributes Hogs lists come into play. That's sort of what I was getting at. I think Fassel and Mooch are essentially equal coaching talents, so give me the more charismatic of the two.

[CNYSkinFan]

Its strange, Fassel is hated and loses points for being a former Giants HC, but many posters have said what a great benefit it would be to have Spags since he is so familiar with the NFC East with Eagles and now Giants.

I don't want to come off as this big Fassel supporter, but I find a lot of hypocracy in what people are saying.
difference in beign a high profile HC and a low key DC....before this coaching search and playoff run i am not sure many people knew who spags was.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

If you view them as equal talents from a coaching standpoint, then the attributes Hogs lists come into play. That's sort of what I was getting at. I think Fassel and Mooch are essentially equal coaching talents, so give me the more charismatic of the two.
Well, I would honestly put Fassel over Mariucci coaching-wise. He made it to the Super Bowl, while Mariucci was OK in SF and awful in Detroit, which is a team that from the FO standpoint, resembles ours much better than SF. I'm not a Fassel supporter, but I'd rather have him than Mariucci... I think the guy is famous in the football world just because he is charismatic and funny.

[bergiemoore]

Well, I would honestly put Fassel over Mariucci coaching-wise. He made it to the Super Bowl, while Mariucci was OK in SF and awful in Detroit, which is a team that from the FO standpoint, resembles ours much better than SF. I'm not a Fassel supporter, but I'd rather have him than Mariucci... I think the guy is famous in the football world just because he is charismatic and funny.

Fassel has taken a team to the playoffs 3 times, and has 2 wins in 7 years w/ the Giants.

Mariucci has taken a team to the playoffs 4 times, and has 3 wins in 9 years w/ the 49ers and Lions. (All his playoff appearances came in 6 years w/ the 49ers.)

Mariucci is famous for having a top 10 offense 5 times in 6 years with the 49ers. His experience with Detroit is a major black mark, but so was Norv's experience with Oakland, and he was still able to land a cushy job.

I'm not a Mariucci supporter, but I do think he could be successful. Fassel could as well. Ever since the Snyderrato pulled the plug on Williams, I stopped getting worked up over the decision.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Well, I would honestly put Fassel over Mariucci coaching-wise. He made it to the Super Bowl, while Mariucci was OK in SF and awful in Detroit, which is a team that from the FO standpoint, resembles ours much better than SF. I'm not a Fassel supporter, but I'd rather have him than Mariucci... I think the guy is famous in the football world just because he is charismatic and funny.

Mooch was good in SF. He went to the playoffs 4 times, making it to the NFC championship game once. He did have good talent in SF though. But his resume is similar enough to Fassel to find it laughable that people detest Fassel but welcome Mooch.

My biggest concern with Mooch is his close relationship to his players. Fassel is no disciplinarian, but Mooch is so loose, he makes Fassel look like Caughlin. This group needs to be held accountable by the HC, not coddled by the HC.

[shally]

i had a long talk with my accountant today who is a long term giant fan and asked him point blank what he thought of fassel as a head coach.

his comments were that he was at least as good a coach as coughlin and had gotten more out of his players than anyone could have reasonably expected. going to the superbowl with mediocrity at qb ? after promising a trip to the playoffs with over a month to go ?

he said that NY was without a doubt the toughest place to coach and that fassel handled it about as well as anyone. and that few people coach in NY for longer than fassel did without burning out due to the extreme pressure of the media.. he had a winning record lifetime against the nfc east and was willing to make tough decisions (sitting sean payton)

he had the benefit of george young as GM, but that young had also provided him with some turkeys at qb.

all in all, he thought highly of fassel and thought he would do a solid job as HC. both of our preferences would be for spagnuolo because both of us tend to prefer defensive minded coaches and to grow with a young coach. but he did not expect a disaster if fassel is appointed

i just thought i would pass that along...

[shally]

Mooch was good in SF. He went to the playoffs 4 times, making it to the NFC championship game once. He did have good talent in SF though. But his resume is similar enough to Fassel to find it laughable that people detest Fassel but welcome Mooch.

My biggest concern with Mooch is his close relationship to his players. Fassel is no disciplinarian, but Mooch is so loose, he makes Fassel look like Caughlin. This group needs to be held accountable by the HC, not coddled by the HC.

if you discount that mooch had the tail end of the niner talent dynasty, you get a pretty average coach. if you discount the impact of harrington (not his choice)
and millen, you get a pretty average coach..

it makes me want to say that mooch will turn out to be about as good as JC turns out to be. but i will tell you without hesistation that if we get mooch as HC expect another qb to be drafted, perhaps as high as 3rd round and expect to see someone like rattay brought in, just in case

if he has learned nothing else, i bet that mooch has learned he is only going to be as good as his starting qb....

[colkurtz]

if you discount that mooch had the tail end of the niner talent dynasty, you get a pretty average coach. if you discount the impact of harrington (not his choice)
and millen, you get a pretty average coach..

it makes me want to say that mooch will turn out to be about as good as JC turns out to be. but i will tell you without hesistation that if we get mooch as HC expect another qb to be drafted, perhaps as high as 3rd round and expect to see someone like rattay brought in, just in case

if he has learned nothing else, i bet that mooch has learned he is only going to be as good as his starting qb....

Yes, JC still is an unknown quantity. His QB rating has not improved, although there were many drops and the OL injuries hurt his numbers. No coach is going to "pull a Gibbs" and go 2.5 seasons with an inconsistent QB [like Brunnel]. The QB will make or break you as a coach and assuming this is a four year contract - JC has about one real season to show that he's the franchise wonder before the HC starts bringing in new talent.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Yes, JC still is an unknown quantity. His QB rating has not improved, although there were many drops and the OL injuries hurt his numbers. No coach is going to "pull a Gibbs" and go 2.5 seasons with an inconsistent QB [like Brunnel]. The QB will make or break you as a coach and assuming this is a four year contract - JC has about one real season to show that he's the franchise wonder before the HC starts bringing in new talent.

Who knows how this will play out, because the next coach has no ties to JC, but JC has at least this full season, if not next also. Look at how patients with Eli has played out. Generally, Eli has played far more inconsistent than JC, but 3.5 seasons later, he is playing for the SB. JC has played good for 1.5 season. Maybe some patients will do us all some good?

[shally]

Who knows how this will play out, because the next coach has no ties to JC, but JC has at least this full season, if not next also. Look at how patients with Eli has played out. Generally, Eli has played far more inconsistent than JC, but 3.5 seasons later, he is playing for the SB. JC has played good for 1.5 season. Maybe some patients will do us all some good?

until the last half of this season eli looked like a goner after this year. he put it together at just the right moment in time, but i am far from sold on eli as an elite qb long term.

what he did do was cut back or eliminate the costly error. receivers might still be dropping his passes and he might be throwing to spots with nobody there, BUT he did not turn the ball over.

plus, the o line allowed the giant running game to flourish and it has remained healthy for most of this year

this speaks well for JC if he can mirror the same progress. JC doesnt have to win games, he simply cannot lose them by fumbles or picks. the skins better shore up the o line seriously this offseason and get JC a couple of receivers he actually trusts. if we can do that, we can contend next year no matter who the HC is...

[smoak]

I'm with you JJT. Fassel was hated but Mooch is loved? Makes no sense to me.

Easy.

He isn't Fassel.

:D

[colkurtz]

Who knows how this will play out, because the next coach has no ties to JC, but JC has at least this full season, if not next also. Look at how patients with Eli has played out. Generally, Eli has played far more inconsistent than JC, but 3.5 seasons later, he is playing for the SB. JC has played good for 1.5 season. Maybe some patients will do us all some good?

Agreed , except that JC will be on his 4th season this fall. Eventually you have to produce and win games. As Shally has said, it's also important that you don't LOSE games for your team due to turnovers.

2008 is JC year to become the franchise QB or the wolf will be at the door for him. That's the NFL.

[Patrick]

If it really is a toss up between Mooch and Fassel, then I'll reluctantly hope for Mooch. But I still prefer to hire one of the younger coordinators to let him try and make his mark on the NFL.

AND you would think a "Young" owner attempting to do the same in the NFL would understand and value that. ............. BTW - I'm in 100% agreement of this - and the fact is it worked for us before!!!!!!

[Meatsnack]

I don't really care a fig between Fassel and Mooch as coaches. I mildly prefer Mooch because he's prettier. When Buges makes the new HC his special friend in the Submarine at 3:00 A.M., it may as well be the better looking of the two. "Let me show you what I think of "finesse" offense..." :D

[hogs86]

This is the latest from JLC.


Posted at 12:01 PM ET, 01/30/2008

The Meeks and Mooch Report

Jason Reid sends this in:
Just got off the phone with a league source who said Ron Meeks is among the finalists for the Redskins' coaching vacancy after his second interview yesterday in Indianapolis, but it appears that Steve Mariucci could soon become a bigger part of the process.
Meeks, the Colts' defensive coordinator, met with owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, executive vice president of football operation, in Indianapolis, and the question-and-answer portion of the interview lasted about five hours. Meeks made a good impression in his initial interview Jan. 17 that lasted more than 10 hours (it continued into the next morning at Snyder's home), and Snyder's opinion of Meeks remained high as he left Indianapolis to fly to Arizona for the Super Bowl, the source said.
But here comes "Mooch." Mariucci, who formerly coached the San Francisco 49ers and Detroit Lions, apparently has increased his behind-the-scenes efforts to get into the mix for the job, the league source said. Although Mariucci's agent yesterday denied a TV report that Mariucci would formally interview with the Redskins next week, the buzz at the Super Bowl is that Snyder will meet privately with Mariucci, who works for the NFL Network, before everyone bolts from Arizona after the big game.
Former assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams and former New York Giants coach Jim Fassell are the others candidates who have had multiple interviews. Williams, no longer under consideration to replace Joe Gibbs, was recently "released" to pursue other jobs.
The Redskins could interview Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo and New England Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels after the Super Bowl. Snyder and Cerrato also have discussed expanding the process to include more candidates, said agents who have spoken with the Redskins.
More than at any point in this dizzying process, however, it appears Mariucci and the Redskins could be moving closer together. My little boy needs a diaper change and I've got to text my partner, J La, on some other coaching search tidbits I've learned since the last of our thousand or so daily texts and phone calls.







Link http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

[Skaggsrules]

Man, who's next to interview? Don Shula?

[bergiemoore]

I hope that they've been talking to Mariucci about this all along. If not, this unorthodox method of hiring coordinators prior to the HC is ridiculous and I believe a mistake.

Very rarely does a head coach not have the option of hiring his own assistants on at least ONE side of the ball. I have a hard time following Larry Michael's logic that Snyderrato has just gone out and hired the coordinators that were the consensus pick of every HC candidate thus far.

[shally]

I hope that they've been talking to Mariucci about this all along. If not, this unorthodox method of hiring coordinators prior to the HC is ridiculous and I believe a mistake.

Very rarely does a head coach not have the option of hiring his own assistants on at least ONE side of the ball. I have a hard time following Larry Michael's logic that Snyderrato has just gone out and hired the coordinators that were the consensus pick of every HC candidate thus far.

sometimes thinking "out of the box" works.. the nfl is a copycat league and people are afraid to do anything out of the conventional...

but i still do not think that is what is going on here...i think they know exactly who will be the new HC will be, and the coordinators have been cleared by him.

[warpaint]

sometimes thinking "out of the box" works.. the nfl is a copycat league and people are afraid to do anything out of the conventional...

but i still do not think that is what is going on here...i think they know exactly who will be the new HC will be, and the coordinators have been cleared by him.

i agree with you shally, thinking here is the new coach will be someone who had to wait until after the super bowl to be named , someone from one of the teams,or someone from the broadcast of the game, dan being a marketing person,just keeping his team in the news which all probably translate into more $$.

[skin4ever]

Favre was on NFL Total Access live and he put it to mooch and Favre said that mooch had previously mentioned to him that Mooch wanted to coach again. Mooch was dodging the question as much as possible almost squirming in his seat. And the look on his face was priceless. He will be the next skins HC. There is not a doubt in my mind.

[Syllable]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Some are speculating that the Redskins might be considering a run at Patriots coach Bill Belichick, who could be inclined to move on if his team secures its fourth Super Bowl win in seven years via a perfect 19-0 season.
But such speculation overlooks the fact that Belichick would want to run the show anywhere that he goes. In Washington, no coach is going to run the show -- as evidenced by the fact that the Redskins are already hiring the guys who'll be working for the coach who eventually is hired. This approach necessarily runs off any potential head coach who is inclined to call all of the shots.

I can also throw a pancake at the wall and see if it sticks.

[shally]

Favre was on NFL Total Access live and he put it to mooch and Favre said that mooch had previously mentioned to him that Mooch wanted to coach again. Mooch was dodging the question as much as possible almost squirming in his seat. And the look on his face was priceless. He will be the next skins HC. There is not a doubt in my mind.

couple of points to consider

mooch gets 5 million per year from detroit up to this week. i dont know about you all, but if my math is correct, that works out to about 100 K per week.
how many of you would throw away 1 or 2 weeks of that kind of money ?

i know i wouldnt.

rich tandler had a priceless comment on mooch. he said mooch's 1040 is about to drop at least one 0, and he still wants to coach. commentary gigs pay decently,i would guess, but not in the range of 3-6 million which would be what mooch would likely get as a HC.. the redskins are the only game in town right now (i am assuming that even mooch has enough sense not to step into the mire that is oakland) so unless mooch wants to join the income bracket of jamie dukes or marshall faulk, he HAS to be hoping that he gets an offer to be HC of the redskins

next year ? next year he is one more year out of coaching and he has to compete with all the upcoming coordordinators, plus likely cowher and possibly carroll.. who knows how many slots will open up ?

if he wants to coach again, THIS is his year and THE REDSKINS are his best shot

if there is any negotiating going on, mooch will do his best to land the redskins job.

[shally]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm



I can also throw a pancake at the wall and see if it sticks.

i cannot believe that PFT expects to be taken even semi-seriously with that kind of crapola

[SkinsfaninNJ]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm



I can also throw a pancake at the wall and see if it sticks.

What a second. This Belicheck thing can work. True he would not have total control with Snyder, but he would if he bought the team. We can all help out. I'll start by saying I'm in for $50.

[Syllable]

What a second. This Belicheck thing can work. True he would not have total control with Snyder, but he would if he bought the team. We can all help out. I'll start by saying I'm in for $50.

You just payed for one of Danny's Ice cubes.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

You just payed for one of Danny's Ice cubes.

LMAO

[Skins7ny]

Please, somebody make me feel good about this...

Why is Mariucci better than Fassel?
Charisma? Are we hiring a head coach or casting a movie?
How much charisma did Joe G. have outside the locker room?
I actually think of it less as Blache being an obstacle to a defensive oriented head coach and more that he would be a comfort for an offensive minded head coach. Can we really see ourselves going into next season with Zorn being the top man responsible for the offense with no experienced oversight? Again, I think he is a great hire, but his major responsibilities will be developing JC and calling plays. I hope there is someone with more experience developing an offensive gameplan who is on the radar screen for HC. Someone who can mentor and guide Zorn. I think Blache requires no mentoring and little guidance and I am confident that the defense will stay solid with him having ultimate responsibility for that side of the ball.
I agree with you, but....our retained offensive coaches/consultants have about 6,000 years of combined experience on offense. They can help Zorn out if he needs an experienced ear.
I'm not overly impressed. After all...the SB is this Sunday. Not an extremely long time to hold out if you ask me.

Either way, Mooch is smart for staying with his currently contracts until Sunday. After Sunday, he will have gotten it both ways.
Isn't that what started that whole mess between TO and Garcia when Mooch was in San Francisco?
Mooch was good in SF. He went to the playoffs 4 times, making it to the NFC championship game once. He did have good talent in SF though. But his resume is similar enough to Fassel to find it laughable that people detest Fassel but welcome Mooch.

My biggest concern with Mooch is his close relationship to his players. Fassel is no disciplinarian, but Mooch is so loose, he makes Fassel look like Caughlin. This group needs to be held accountable by the HC, not coddled by the HC.
Agreed, he is way too close to the players. Players need a coach who will be straight with them (no pun intended) but who demarcates lines of authority. That has been a problem for us in the past when Marty or Joe G has not been running the show.
I don't really care a fig between Fassel and Mooch as coaches. I mildly prefer Mooch because he's prettier. When Buges makes the new HC his special friend in the Submarine at 3:00 A.M., it may as well be the better looking of the two. "Let me show you what I think of "finesse" offense..." :D
This is a topic for a whole other thread, which I would have started if work weren't getting in the way: how on earth are all the old-Joe G. coaches, who are East Coast/Coryellers mesh with Zorn and, Fassel/Mariucci? This has the potential to make the Gibbs-Bugel v. Saunders-Lazor schism look like the Care Bears Movie!!
WHICH, Danny and Vinny, is one reason among many why you don't hire assistant coaches BEFORE you hire the head coach. But, I will give them a pass, since neither of them really have been around football much before and are pretty new to the game::rolleyes:
http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm
I can also throw a pancake at the wall and see if it sticks.
I love PFT, but that is just ridiculous. Belichick just signed a contract extension, and there is no way he would even share a lifeboat with Cerrato, let alone a front office.

[smoak]

i cannot believe that PFT expects to be taken even semi-seriously with that kind of crapola

Cue Akh's rant about journalist integrity of ESPN. :D

[Hr fan]

Pray it is Spagnulo. He believes in a good D line, and is used to an adequate+ O line.

[Jon Creveling]

Pray it is Spagnulo. He believes in a good D line, and is used to an adequate+ O line.

Why is Spags getting so much thought? While many Jints fans I talk to love the guy he in reality inherited the Giants D-line. The Giants o-line has been overall very healthy all year and IMHO underrated. Will note that many Jints fans I've talked to seem to feel that Spags will stay with their team whether or not they pull the upset this week. But that's fans speaking! If somehow, someway they do beat the Pats they (the fans) seem to see him next in line behind Tom. I will say what I do like about him is that he will Act when necessary like in the Dallas game (playoff) when other D-cords seem to get stuck in a certain mindset and won't pull out all the stops. He does seem to possess a very good "in game" feel of what's going on, that I've noticed with him this year and many Giants fans credit him with that. The funny thing now a days talking to Giants fans is that they believe Ernie bailed with the almost 'B' label being placed on Eli before his playoff run. When Reese called him out after the NYG vs Minn. game it was seen not as a wake up call by Reese, but as a warning! Spags and Meeks to me are very interesting because it would be interesting to see just what they can do with our team. And because this would be their first gig as H.C. we can all go into it openminded with out prejudging them as H.C. much like many have Fassel and I'm sure after the love affair with Mooch ends, Mooch himself. I'm not against Mooch all together, but didn't he make a big stink in the S.F. press over the infamous Osaka game?

[openallnight]

With CDS and Virus there's no telling what they'll do.
The two things we do know:

1) They have no football philosophy. They go from one extreme to the other from year to year. First it's conservative Marty Ball, the next season the polar opposite "Fun N Gun" then the smash mouth Gibbs. Now it appears they want to take a stab at the WCO.

2) They have no discernible formula. They hire a proven vet coach. Then they fire him and hire some hot-shot college coach, then go back to a an all-time great HOF coach.

Given their propensity to avoid any sort of consistency. I can only conclude they will take an entirely different route this time and go for a "relatively" lesser known YOUNG coordinator. So that rules out Fossil, Moochi, GW et. al.

They'll want someone that will be thrilled to be an NFL coach. Someone willing to have his entire staff dictated to him. I also believe with Blache already in place he will be looking at an offensive minded coach. So, that rules out meeks and spagnola.

So, finally we're left with the most likely candidate being NE OC, Josh McDaniels.

I know I applied some deductive reasoning and even a little logic to come up with this choice. And knowing the folks running the show both reason and logic are irrelevant in their decision making process. But, it's my best shot nonetheless.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Are you guys still talking about this? Let it go, we all know a HC is not that important, you should better focus on the rest on the staff or the potential FAs, just like Snyderato ;)