PFT: Skins' Stalling for Fassel

[GenMgr]

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Florio thinks that this delay is all public relations hype to smooth over the eventually hiring of Fassel.

[shally]

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Florio thinks that this delay is all public relations hype to smooth over the eventually hiring of Fassel.

it wont fly

no matter how snyderrato tries to paint it, it is still a pig with lipstick.

better to get out front and go with the announcement because they are fooling NO ONE if it turns out to be fassel. the backlash will be beyond intense and as ugly as anything ever seen by skins fans and ownership

there will be ZERO honeymoon for fassel. got to feel sorry for him because he will be starting with 2 strikes against him by the fan base and the press. if he gets off to a slow start, the pressure he will get will make what he experienced in NY seem like a picnic

[Syllable]

"Stalling" for fassel? Why are we the only club that has to scheme everything?

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I hope Snyder and Cerrato aren't thinking this way. First, I hope they are not relying on the fans to make such an important decision. Second, time is not going to change how people feel about the hire.

Its not like a week from now, people will be fine with it.

[JasonCampbell]

Charlie Casserly essentially said the same thing tonight on WPL.

[hail2skins]

The problem with that logic is there are better candidates out there. They just aren't big enough names for Snyder.

[The Skinsinator]

First, I hope they are not relying on the fans to make such an important decision.That's exactly what happened imo. Every major sports media broke in late afternoon we were going to hire Fassel. If that was untrue at the time it would have been corrected in a fairly immediate manner. It took 6 hrs because Snyderrato changed their mind. Why else would Fassel feel manipulated?

Synderrato has a new way to do everything. :mad:

[akhhorus]

The problem is that all the assistants that they are hiring have connections to Mooch, not Fassel.

[MONK_in_HOF]

I hope Snyder and Cerrato aren't thinking this way. First, I hope they are not relying on the fans to make such an important decision. Second, time is not going to change how people feel about the hire.

Its not like a week from now, people will be fine with it.

Agreed. I still get bitter thinking about moves made which predate this century. But maybe I am just a bitter person. l don't think watching all that has transpired over the past 15 years has helped.

I would rather have Fassel than Gregg, so I can't say I would be mad if it were Fassel. Although I think I would be in the vast minority, as a great deal of fans seem irate at the notion of Fassel.

[The Skinsinator]

The problem is that all the assistants that they are hiring have connections to Mooch, not Fassel.I don't think Fassel would care who his coordinators were. He's been out of coaching for several years and embarrasingly got fired by his best bud Billick. In the meantime, him and his wife attempted to open up a Quizno's in New Jersey. Really instills alot of confidence in managing the Skins huh? Hell he'd probably coach for free.

[LATrueRedskin]

Waiting to hire Fassel will only add fuel to the fire.

[The Skinsinator]

Snyder really doesn't know who to hire. He's looking for a combo package of someone he can market well with the team (big name), please the fans (evidently this is a MAJOR priority), and maybe actually be able to coach. Him and Cerrato have consistently been in the dark leading to this interviewing every Tom, *cbs*, and Jerry they can find.

[sinskin]

I really think its Mooch.... makes to much sense!

[akhhorus]

I don't think Fassel would care who his coordinators were. He's been out of coaching for several years and embarrasingly got fired by his best bud Billick. In the meantime, him and his wife attempted to open up a Quizno's in New Jersey. Really instills alot of confidence in managing the Skins huh? Hell he'd probably coach for free.

I doubt that, but thats not the point. Zorn, Brooks, Blache all have connections to Mooch. There's no obvious connections to Fassel with them.

[The Skinsinator]

I doubt that, but thats not the point. Zorn, Brooks, Blache all have connections to Mooch. There's no obvious connections to Fassel with them.Possibly it is Mariucci and Fassel will be given the Snyderrato runaround again. Maybe we'll actually get to find out soon. If that is correct Snyder really did the sell the house in disguising Mooch as Gibbs' successor.

[SkinsWest]

Just say no to Fassel. We'd all want him fired after the first loss, if not before. We have better options - Grimm, Mooch or possibly Spagnuolo. NOT FASSEL.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

ehh..i dont think so. seriously, why wait?

[Jon Creveling]

I asked about this the other day, calling it "Fassel on time delay". While I would be open to Jim being named and in fact I'd feel comfortable with him, it would make me question why this publicity stunt was necessary. How can you tell Fassel "Jim we believe in you but we are going to hoodwink the fanbase into thinking we tried everyone else and that you are the best option left standing" how do you get the best Fassel out of Fassel if they do name him after coming out with a stunt like this? Which begs the question if in fact they name him, did Fassel approve of this?

[smoak]

I hope Snyder and Cerrato aren't thinking this way. First, I hope they are not relying on the fans to make such an important decision. Second, time is not going to change how people feel about the hire.

Its not like a week from now, people will be fine with it.

Nomination for perfect post of the day. I really don't care who we hire any more...

[IowaSkinsFan]

Fassel has been to the Super Bowl, something no other Redskin coach has been able to do in recent history.

But, all the assitants are from a west coast tree and Fassel is not, so Mooch makes sense, but between the two I'd rather have Fassel.

[JasonCampbell]

Fassel has been to the Super Bowl, something no other Redskin coach has been able to do in recent history.

But, all the assitants are from a west coast tree and Fassel is not, so Mooch makes sense, but between the two I'd rather have Fassel.

I would think Fassel knows a thing or two about the WCO:

http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/Picture%2031(8).png

[IowaSkinsFan]

I would think Fassel knows a thing or two about the WCO:

http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/Picture%2031(8).png

I stand corrected. I thought Fassel was from the Dan Reeves tree.

Didn't they say that Fassel tutored John Elway?

[hogs86]

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Florio thinks that this delay is all public relations hype to smooth over the eventually hiring of Fassel.

PFT is so flipping one minute they say this the next they say that. I am going to start calling them 50/50 or the Rod Gardner website.

[hogs86]

I would think Fassel knows a thing or two about the WCO:

http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/Picture%2031(8).png

Hay who said you could put my family tree up on this website. I know you hacked my account from Ancestry.com. :sun:

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I would think Fassel knows a thing or two about the WCO:

http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/Picture%2031(8).png
Very interesting... Better to learn under Walsh or under Holmgren? ;)

[shally]

I would think Fassel knows a thing or two about the WCO:

http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/Picture%2031(8).png

that is an awesome diagram

walsh'es place in the nfl pantheon is obvious from it.. if i counted correctly, that is 10 different coaches who managed to get to the superbowl from that tree. amazing

[shally]

PFT is so flipping one minute they say this the next they say that. I am going to start calling them 50/50 or the Rod Gardner website.

delaying the announcement will do nothing to placate the people who are opposed to fassel. in fact, the more quality "possible" hires are passed over in favor of fassel, the worse it will look.

if they really wanted fassel, they should have gone straight ahead with it. this is going to turn into a PR nightmare for snyder before it is over...

[akhhorus]

I would think Fassel knows a thing or two about the WCO:

http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/Picture%2031(8).png

Where exactly did Walsh and Fassel work together? They only place they could have worked together would have been Stanford, but I think at most they worked together for a year or two at most(Walsh was gone by 78, Fassel was working elsewhere I believe in 76 or 77). Thats a bit of a stretch imo.

[shally]

and you can add sean payton, who coached under fassel and then parcells before landing his own gig

[RedskinRyan]

Personally, I think Snyder has offered *CBS*-loads of money to either McDaniels or Spags. And is quietly assembling the staff that they want now, and they'll be ready by the time of next week.

[shally]

Personally, I think Snyder has offered *CBS*-loads of money to either McDaniels or Spags. And is quietly assembling the staff that they want now, and they'll be ready by the time of next week.

if that actually happens i will be amazed and astounded.. cant say i give kudos for his technique, but he will have learned a lesson and gotten it right if he goes for the young hire..

me, i am betting it turns out to be mooch.. i just think that snyder cannot help himself and needs that kind of persona to be the face of the skins.. anyone who has tom cruise in his box is not going to be satisfied with a coordinator

[KidBroSweets]

Seriously, is it THAT big of deal that Dan makes a hire after the super bowl? LOL you guys speculate WAY too much! I realize its fun doing that, but you can also go waaaaay overboard with it. Fassel is prolly the guy. Why is it that Dan HAS to make the big splash?? He hasnt made one in free agency in a few years.

[joethefan]

The problem is that all the assistants that they are hiring have connections to Mooch, not Fassel.


that's what i was thinking

[colkurtz]

Don't understand the logic of this article. ZERO reason not to hire Fassel now if it was true. If you hire Fassel in a week, it still looks like the fix was in 2 weeks ago and everything else was just public relations BS.

Plus the fans will hate Fassel even more because they didn't get McDaniels or Spags [whoever wins SB]. These guys are fishing......

[shally]

Don't understand the logic of this article. ZERO reason not to hire Fassel now if it was true. If you hire Fassel in a week, it still looks like the fix was in 2 weeks ago and everything else was just public relations BS.

Plus the fans will hate Fassel even more because they didn't get McDaniels or Spags [whoever wins SB]. These guys are fishing......

exactly how i see it if it turns out to be fassel, or even meeks

if it is mooch, i can understand it somewhat

only if it turns out to be mcdaniel or spagnuolo does it hang together. they are playing with fire from a PR point of view right now. if it turns out to be fassel they will have started him out under a cloud that will be very difficult for him to get out from under

[skinsfan36]

im thinking mooch has a better chance then fassel also hoping that to

[colkurtz]

exactly how i see it if it turns out to be fassel, or even meeks

if it is mooch, i can understand it somewhat

only if it turns out to be mcdaniel or spagnuolo does it hang together. they are playing with fire from a PR point of view right now. if it turns out to be fassel they will have started him out under a cloud that will be very difficult for him to get out from under

Yes, they are starting to manage the Mooch angle by saying they are interviewing him "this week".

Fassle could only take this gig out of total desperation. None of his guys (coaches) and looking like the last resort....

Hell, I'm a dumb old fighter pilot and I'm amazed at how a billionaire can have such poor PR advice..... pitiful.

[warpaint]

"Stalling" for fassel? Why are we the only club that has to scheme everything?

i dont claim to know a lot but my question is no one else wants fassel, k.c. didnt or wouldnt hire him for the o.c. job,yet we want him for the head coach

[warpaint]

Yes, they are starting to manage the Mooch angle by saying they are interviewing him "this week".

Fassle could only take this gig out of total desperation. None of his guys (coaches) and looking like the last resort....

Hell, I'm a dumb old fighter pilot and I'm amazed at how a billionaire can have such poor PR advice..... pitiful.

i agree with you colkurtz, snyder should ask for a refund if he has a pr person,
and whatever happened to the old saying a fool and his money will soon part,

[S.T. 21]

i dont claim to know a lot but my question is no one else wants fassel, k.c. didnt or wouldnt hire him for the o.c. job,yet we want him for the head coach

i agree but i still blame gibbs for annoncing retiremet at the last minute. he should of gave us some time so we can get a plan together and not leave us with choices like fassel

[shally]

The problem with that logic is there are better candidates out there. They just aren't big enough names for Snyder.

warpathinsiders.com (premium) today said snyder simply had not yet made up his mind.. that NONE of the guys so far were decisively better..

this leaves the door open for either spagnuolo or mcdaniel if they can blow snyder away.. i guess mooch also, if he has not yet interviewed.

i really cannot see fassel getting the job at this point. if he cant get snyder excited, he wont come away with it..

i have been an advocate of going "young".. it was pointed out to me that spagnuolo was 48 and mooch is 52... how much difference is that ?

[colkurtz]

I'd say now that Fassel is last on the possibility list of being HC.

a lot more signs that Mooch is the man.

Other candidates like Spag and MCDaniels or Meeks are interviews for the future or to see if one of them will just blow Snyder away in the interview.

[GenMgr]

I believe that if NY wins the SB or puts up a really good fight, then Snyder will bave Redskins One ready with offer in hand to Spag, ok I may be exaggerating a little bit or maybe not

[colkurtz]

I believe that if NY wins the SB or puts up a really good fight, then Snyder will bave Redskins One ready with offer in hand to Spag, ok I may be exaggerating a little bit or maybe not

IF the Gints defense totally stuffs the Pats, AND then IF Spag had a great interview, then Snyderrato might seriously consider him. What are the chances?

[Meatsnack]

Any connection to Mooch is also a connection to Fassel. Fassel coached under Bill Walsh in 'Frisco for a period, Mooch under Holmgren before head-coaching in Frisco. Zorn was apparently Fassel's first choice as OC. Fassel will have familiarity (contempt?) with Vinny from 'Frisco as well. Both Fassel and Mooch are offensive guys and wouldn't pay as much attention to defense.

[Meatsnack]

The more I think about it, the more I think the McDaniels thing might not be as stupid as it sounds on the surface. As a young coach would have a harder time filling out a staff since he has had fewer years to make league connections. Especially now, after the market has pretty much closed. He would also want older, more experienced guys to act as advisors and mentors on the staff.

Tomlin has Le Beau in Pittsburg, for instance. Here, McDaniels would have Buges. Who is older and crustier than Buges? The guy is like Yoda on a mix of testosterone and crack. And I mean that in the very best possible way...

[shally]

The more I think about it, the more I think the McDaniels thing might not be as stupid as it sounds on the surface. As a young coach would have a harder time filling out a staff since he has had fewer years to make league connections. Especially now, after the market has pretty much closed. He would also want older, more experienced guys to act as advisors and mentors on the staff.

Tomlin has Le Beau in Pittsburg, for instance. Here, McDaniels would have Buges. Who is older and crustier than Buges? The guy is like Yoda on a mix of testosterone and crack. And I mean that in the very best possible way...

could happen.. the single worst thing that mcdaniels could do is surround himself with a bunch of 35 year olds..

better to take over an established staff and then year by year replace those guys with people he wants

[BandWagon]

Yeah well I guess they could hire Fassel and then announce a new stadium in the District to make up for it....

[BandWagon]

Ok so here's how Fassel is from the Walsh tree. (warning this is such a stretch):

Jim Fassel: 1979 QB coach, Stanford (Dowhower HC); 1980--82 QB coach, Stanford (Green offensive coordinator); 1997--2003 head coach, Giants; 2004--06 offensive coordinator, Ravens (Billick HC)

It's Bill Walsh once removed through Dowhower for one year and I guess Billick.

Generational speaking it's the same for Mariucci, but Holmgren had SIGNFICANTLY more time under Walsh than either Dowhower or Billick.

Source (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=C647C3531B0958237A91CAD46A581B8A? id=09000d5d80086d95&template=without-video&confirm=true)

[Meatsnack]

Ok so here's how Fassel is from the Walsh tree. (warning this is such a stretch):



It's Bill Walsh once removed through Dowhower for one year and I guess Billick.

Generational speaking it's the same for Mariucci, but Holmgren had SIGNFICANTLY more time under Walsh than either Dowhower or Billick.

Source (http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=C647C3531B0958237A91CAD46A581B8A? id=09000d5d80086d95&template=without-video&confirm=true)

Fassel was the QB Coach under Rod Dowhower, taking Dowhower's old position when Dowhower replaced Bill walsh as Head Coach in 1979. When Dowhower left for the NFL after the '79 season, Dennis Green stepped in at OC at Stanford and Fassel kept his QB coach Position. Green had been an assistant under Walsh in 77-78 before Walsh left to coach the 49ers. So, in fairness, a pretty lengthy association with the WCO in its pre-49er days.


Fassel (LINK) (http://www.leadingauthorities.com/22367/Jim_Fassel.htm) is also given credit for recruiting Elway to Stanford and later coached Elway to his best statistical season as a pro in '93 while he was the Assistant HC - Offense/OC for the Broncos in '93/'94 under Head Coach Wade Phillips.

[PennSkinsFan]

Like I said in another thread, it is time Redskins Nation moves on. Jim Fassel is going to be the head coach, Spags, Meeks, and Mooch were only distractions. We came within days of hiring Fassel in 2004, when Gibbs suddenly returned. Well, Gibbs is gone and Snyder will get his guy. Think through this mor eover the last 7 days, I am getting to the point where, with the keeping most of the staff, the Blache and Zorn hirings, I am OK with Fassel.