Superbowl Outcome - Effect on Redskins

[colkurtz]

I'm writing this with the score 7-3 - three minutes to the half. Game still in doubt. How does this help us?

1. Giants win - Spagnuolo looks like a genius - makes him the flavor of the day for coaching search

2. Giants defense does well - proves the value of the natural four man rush.

3. Patriots win - McDaniels moves up on coaching sweepstakes.

That's all I can think of now.

[colkurtz]

i wish we had the Giants pass rush...

[NCskinsfanatic]

NE is far from dead in the water and we'll see if the gmen are for real come the 2nd half...

In other news...the giants pass rush is fierce...lol

[Syllable]

Wrong, McDaniels doesn't look good at all even though the Pats are winning. Even if the Giants do lose this game in a close one, Spags looks better than McDaniels.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Wrong, McDaniels doesn't look good at all even though the Pats are winning. Even if the Giants do lose this game in a close one, Spags looks better than McDaniels.

Definitely.

[Fathead]

If we are waiting for Spags, then we are making a smart decision.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Giants are looking decent, and I love the pressure from the front 4.

[shally]

I'm writing this with the score 7-3 - three minutes to the half. Game still in doubt. How does this help us?

1. Giants win - Spagnuolo looks like a genius - makes him the flavor of the day for coaching search

2. Giants defense does well - proves the value of the natural four man rush.

3. Patriots win - McDaniels moves up on coaching sweepstakes.

That's all I can think of now.

DL the most important unit on the field

Spanulolo should be the next skins HC


hope you're watching snyder

[colkurtz]

NE is far from dead in the water and we'll see if the gmen are for real come the 2nd half...

In other news...the giants pass rush is fierce...lol

NE is NEVER out of a game. But the Giants came out to play also.

As of the halftime Spags is looking like a absolute mistro by holding Tom Brady and the world's best offense ever to so little.

Here's hoping the Gints can pull this out and Danny is impressed enough to give Spags a real chance.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

DL the most important unit on the field

Spanulolo should be the next skins HC


hope you're watching snyder
After this game, I don't see how Danny or Vinny could justify picking Fassel or Mooch over Spags unless Spags just flat out does not want to come here.
That defense is putting on a show against one of the best offenses in recent memory.

[Fathead]

DL the most important unit on the field






I'd say the OL is actually, but I see your point.

[DCassain21]

This makes me want the giants to win even more... Look even danny and cerrato can see that pass rush for the giants is really the only thing keeping them in this game, so maybe they decide to finaly attempt to go and get one. Also if the giants win it will probally make spag the top canidate, and he'll probally want a pass rush, because he knows what it can do. So if he got the job he could lobby drafting a DE in the draft, even if danny and cerrato didn't want to go de.

[JasonCampbell]

DL the most important unit on the field

Spanulolo should be the next skins HC


hope you're watching snyder

Unless Spags is bringing Osi and Tuck with him, I'm not sure I want him in DC. Any DC looks like a genius when he's getting that much pressure with his front 4.

Cerrato is still the GM (and has said he doesn't like spending first round picks on DL) and Blanche is still your DC (who thinks CBs are more important than DE :smash:)

[DCassain21]

Unless Spags is bringing Osi and Tuck with him, I'm not sure I want him in DC. Any DC looks like a genius when he's getting that much pressure with his front 4.

Cerrato is still the GM (and has said he doesn't like spending first round picks on DL) and Blanche is still your DC (who thinks CBs are more important than DE :smash:)

but if spag is coach he'll know he needs a DE and can really lobby for one.

[colkurtz]

Unless Spags is bringing Osi and Tuck with him, I'm not sure I want him in DC. Any DC looks like a genius when he's getting that much pressure with his front 4.

Cerrato is still the GM (and has said he doesn't like spending first round picks on DL) and Blanche is still your DC (who thinks CBs are more important than DE :smash:)

You don't think the HC would have a MAJOR input on the draft picks? If Spags comes it's on a 4-5 year gig. He will upgrade the DL. In that scenario Blanche may be a temporary coach, a year or two.

[JasonCampbell]

You don't think the HC would have a MAJOR input on the draft picks? If Spags comes it's on a 4-5 year gig. He will upgrade the DL. In that scenario Blanche may be a temporary coach, a year or two.

Probably...but a GM picks the players.

[CNYSkinFan]

Probably...but a GM picks the players.
yeah...do we have one of those?

Seriously in our system the coach becomes part of the 3 headed monster that is the fornt office with snyder and cerrato

all the more reason to want spags

[colkurtz]

Probably...but a GM picks the players.

Gothca, but 'technically' Vinny is not the GM. :smash:

Even if Vinny has a big input I don't assume he is part of the "I hate DL draft picks" club. GW was a DB first guy, sounds like Blanche may be also. Frankly I have no idea what Cerrato thinks.

He's [I]hinted that he wasn't behind all the draft choices of the Gibbs II era. Whatever. Now we'll see how he thinks in the sunlight.

[colkurtz]

yeah...do we have one of those?

Seriously in our system the coach becomes part of the 3 headed monster that is the fornt office with snyder and cerrato

all the more reason to want spags

Agreed. As of the start of the fourth quarter, Spags is looking very, very good!

[JasonCampbell]

yeah...do we have one of those?

Seriously in our system the coach becomes part of the 3 headed monster that is the fornt office with snyder and cerrato

all the more reason to want spags

We had a 3 headed monster due to Gibbs. I'm not so sure Vinny/Sndyer lets a first time HC (or a retread for that matter) in their little club.

If you believe the press release and the duties Cerrato has, yes, we have a GM.

[colkurtz]

If the Giants win they'll be under the superbowl curse.

Further they will have to live with Eli Manning for at least a few more seasons.

M. Strahan will retire.

[colkurtz]

Latest word is that McDaniels is no longer a head coaching candidate for the Redskins.

[Fathead]

Hire Spags.

[shally]

young defensive line beats tired older d line

14 points from the greatest offense of all time ??

what more does snyder need to see.

pay the man. back up the dumptruck and PAY THE MAN


if snyder goes older head coach the rest of the league will bust a gut laughing at us

[Redskin006]

Hire Spags.

yes, it looks like spags just got himself a head coaching job. held the pats to their lowest scoring total of the season and just beat the best offense ever.

[shally]

yes, it looks like spags just got himself a head coaching job. held the pats to their lowest scoring total of the season and just beat the best offense ever.

let's hope it is with the redskins

the man was made to be a HC in the nfc east

snyderrato, are you watching ????

[SkinsfaninNJ]

With the Giants winning it this year, there is no reason for us not to be shooting for it next year. They proved you can be a very flawed team and still win it all.

[greatest2]

if you want the job spags, its all yours. but know here you have not nearly the dline you had with NY

[greatest2]

With the Giants winning it this year, there is no reason for us not to be shooting for it next year. They proved you can be a very flawed team and still win it all.

exactly, you jus gotta get hot at the right time, and stay healthy. i mean besides plaxico the giants had every starter right? anyway, there is no reason we can't win it all next year, so im tired of the talk of we have to blow everything up because we aren't close to a SB winner. hell the giants jus one and they have more then a few holes, alot of which we exposed in 2 games

[shally]

With the Giants winning it this year, there is no reason for us not to be shooting for it next year. They proved you can be a very flawed team and still win it all.

a great defensive line is the best eraser of flaws i can think of...

[colkurtz]

a great defensive line is the best eraser of flaws i can think of...

A great DL allows the Giants to lose by 3 against the Pats in the regular season and win by 3 in the Superbowl.

Our DL philosophy got us a humiliating beatdown by 45 points.

Someone tell me about the CB we need to draft first - NOT!

[SkinsfaninNJ]

a great defensive line is the best eraser of flaws i can think of...

With Carter and the rotation of Monty, Griff and Golston, we are half way there. They just need to invest in the other end spot.

[WarEagle]

Fox gave Spags more camera time than Coughlin. I want to see this guy at a podium in Ashburn this week. But Snyder will probably hire a retread loser former head coach. Out of my hands.

[shally]

With Carter and the rotation of Monty, Griff and Golston, we are half way there. They just need to invest in the other end spot.

it is more than that.. you need to be at least 6 or 7 deep. not everybody has to be an all pro, but when guys like osi or tuck are on the bench sucking oxygen you still need guys like robbins or alford, etc to keep up the pressure

we need another quality DE for certain. but we also need guys like wilson and buzbee to step up, or be replaced by guys who can step up. non contributors like boschetti should be off the roster

[shally]

Fox gave Spags more camera time than Coughlin. I want to see this guy at a podium in Ashburn this week. But Snyder will probably hire a retread loser former head coach. Out of my hands.

if he does that, we are doomed to mediocrity.. he has an opportunity to sign a guy as HC who has been a great DC..will he be a great HC ? only time will tell.
but he looks as excited and exciting as gibbs did when he was at a similar point in his career.

make the high risk/ high reward choice, snyder.. you didnt get to be a billionaire by playing it safe

[SkinsfaninNJ]

it is more than that.. you need to be at least 6 or 7 deep. not everybody has to be an all pro, but when guys like osi or tuck are on the bench sucking oxygen you still need guys like robbins or alford, etc to keep up the pressure

we need another quality DE for certain. but we also need guys like wilson and buzbee to step up, or be replaced by guys who can step up. non contributors like boschetti should be off the roster

Totally agree. And credit the Giants for locking these guys up long term too. They have a plan and stick to it.

[ihatedallas]

it is more than that.. you need to be at least 6 or 7 deep. not everybody has to be an all pro, but when guys like osi or tuck are on the bench sucking oxygen you still need guys like robbins or alford, etc to keep up the pressure

we need another quality DE for certain. but we also need guys like wilson and buzbee to step up, or be replaced by guys who can step up. non contributors like boschetti should be off the roster

Perfect example for the necessity of depth. Comes in fresh, puts a seal on lead.

[jaylen]

Spags is gonna be the new coach. Snyder is very impulsive its the sorta hire he'd make.

[coffdogg]

Giants are looking decent, and I love the pressure from the front 4.Exactly the point. The front four puts consistent pressure and that is something we don't do well.So even if Spag is a good HC he still has to put a solid D-line together,if not then we are no better off than if we hire Fossil or Mooch(who I favor)

[SkinsfaninNJ]

if he does that, we are doomed to mediocrity.. he has an opportunity to sign a guy as HC who has been a great DC..will he be a great HC ? only time will tell.
but he looks as excited and exciting as gibbs did when he was at a similar point in his career.

make the high risk/ high reward choice, snyder.. you didnt get to be a billionaire by playing it safe

Spags has a lot of power in this thing too. I don't assume he would just take the job without being able to hire a staff.

[BandWagon]

you didnt get to be a billionaire by playing it safe

Don't look at this graph of six flags stock since Snyder took control....

http://www.redskinsdb.com/images/six.bmp

[shally]

Spags is gonna be the new coach. Snyder is very impulsive its the sorta hire he'd make.

i will believe it when it happens

have there been any reports about how the talks between mooch and snyder went today ???

[colkurtz]

Spags has a lot of power in this thing too. I don't assume he would just take the job without being able to hire a staff.

Spag can get the job and BUILD a staff and DL to his liking over two seasons.

The Redskins are a decent team with some good players. The owner / vp are a negative but at least they aren't afraid to spend money.

Oh yeah, Spag would probably be making $5-6 mill a year. He might overlook a few issues for that.

[shally]

Spags has a lot of power in this thing too. I don't assume he would just take the job without being able to hire a staff.

that's really a non issue at this time

who could spags even get to be on his staff right now ? think about it, the giants arent going to let him raid their staff and most everyone else has already been hired. what does spags have to lose ? he will get to sign his own DL coach and maybe a qb and rb coach if he wants to ... next year he can begin to shape the staff.

it is folly to think he could pull together a staff he really wants at this late date

what he DOES need is input into the draft.. he needs to be able to have vinnie focus on the d line this draft.. if he gets that, we should be fine

[shally]

Spag can get the job and BUILD a staff and DL to his liking over two seasons.

The Redskins are a decent team with some good players. The owner / vp are a negative but at least they aren't afraid to spend money.

Oh yeah, Spag would probably be making $5-6 mill a year. He might overlook a few issues for that.

that is the snyder way...lol.. he will likely start at 4 mil per year (more than a bunch of HC's already) and everytime spags says, " i dont know, mr snyder" another 500,000 will float down from the sky

if nothing else, snyder can close a deal...

[skinsfan36]

we must hire spags he will turn our dline into a beast and has great blitz packages he destroyed one of the best offenses ever

[shally]

we must hire spags he will turn our dline into a beast and has great blitz packages he destroyed one of the best offenses ever

statistically, THE best offense ever... totally masterful job all game, when you think about it

sadly, i reminds me some of the way the oakland raiders defense took apart OUR greatest offense in the superbowl game

defense wins championships, ladies and gents...

[skinsfan36]

statistically, THE best offense ever... totally masterful job all game, when you think about it

sadly, i reminds me some of the way the oakland raiders defense took apart OUR greatest offense in the superbowl game

defense wins championships, ladies and gents...

agreed!

[colkurtz]

It's been a long time since I wanted the Giants to win.

If we get Spag it will be the best thing that could happen to us.

[shally]

It's been a long time since I wanted the Giants to win.

If we get Spag it will be the best thing that could happen to us.

the question is how long coughlin wants to coach.. he is reportedly looking for an extension.. if it is any more than 1 year additionally, spags will be gone

[colkurtz]

the question is how long coughlin wants to coach.. he is reportedly looking for an extension.. if it is any more than 1 year additionally, spags will be gone

Coughlin got them the trophy - I'd be surprised if he couldn't get an extension longer than a year.

Spag's knows what the Redskins are about. He could do a lot worse in the NFL, and opportunities are fleeting.

[LuvSkins17]

I wanted the Giants to lose by 45 points. That would have made Spags not cost so much. I hope we sign him. He coached his Defense well. I just have to wonder if he wants to come to DC with the staff in place. I was proud of the Giants tonight. We used to be known as the NFC LEast. Now we may be the NFC BEast!

He knows our division and he knows the Giants Defense. We could do well with him and a good Draft and free agency period.

You guys make sure you say your prayers. Tonight proves that prayer works!

Hail....

[KidBroSweets]

After this game, I don't see how Danny or Vinny could justify picking Fassel or Mooch over Spags unless Spags just flat out does not want to come here.
That defense is putting on a show against one of the best offenses in recent memory.

Exactly....I was gonna say the exact same thing. Im not a Fassel or Mooch hater, but what makes those 2 more qualified than Spags??? The fact theyve coached before?! So what! Spags should be the guy...and there's no question in my mind.

[shally]

I wanted the Giants to lose by 45 points. That would have made Spags not cost so much. I hope we sign him. He coached his Defense well. I just have to wonder if he wants to come to DC with the staff in place. I was proud of the Giants tonight. We used to be known as the NFC LEast. Now we may be the NFC BEast!

He knows our division and he knows the Giants Defense. We could do well with him and a good Draft and free agency period.

You guys make sure you say your prayers. Tonight proves that prayer works!

Hail....

i dont know about losing by 45... snyder would have likely passed on spags in that case.

he is literally forced to take spags seriously after the coaching job he did today

money is seldom if ever an issue with snyder or the people he covets.. it will revolve around how comfortable they are with each other. the staff is not a huge issue, IMO, if spags feels that snyder is worth working for and if he feels he can co exist with vinnie.

let's face it, spags is red hot right now and he can probably get locked up for 3 more years as DC (the same way ryan did in b more).. but we are the only HC job left this year. who knows what happens next year? better the sure thing right now...

[cal_junior]

Unless Spags is bringing Osi and Tuck with him, I'm not sure I want him in DC. Any DC looks like a genius when he's getting that much pressure with his front 4.

This is an excellent point that will probably get swept under the rug with the Skins being giddy to get the "DC that beat the Pats." If we hire him, fine, I just hope it isn't because of a single game.

One of the great stories in my part of the world is that John Cooper was hired to coach Ohio State because he had beaten Michigan when he was with Arizona State.
The irony, of course, is that as coach of Ohio State Cooper couldn't beat Michigan to save his life.

Hiring a head coach because of one game - even if it's a big upset in the Super Bowl - is a terrible ideal.

[Biggie]

This is an excellent point that will probably get swept under the rug with the Skins being giddy to get the "DC that beat the Pats." If we hire him, fine, I just hope it isn't because of a single game.

One of the great stories in my part of the world is that John Cooper was hired to coach Ohio State because he had beaten Michigan when he was with Arizona State.
The irony, of course, is that as coach of Ohio State Cooper couldn't beat Michigan to save his life.

Hiring a head coach because of one game - even if it's a big upset in the Super Bowl - is a terrible ideal.
Unfortunately, we'll probably be hiring either Mooch or Spags at this point, and if it's Spags, it probably will be because of this one game.

[shally]

This is an excellent point that will probably get swept under the rug with the Skins being giddy to get the "DC that beat the Pats." If we hire him, fine, I just hope it isn't because of a single game.

One of the great stories in my part of the world is that John Cooper was hired to coach Ohio State because he had beaten Michigan when he was with Arizona State.
The irony, of course, is that as coach of Ohio State Cooper couldn't beat Michigan to save his life.

Hiring a head coach because of one game - even if it's a big upset in the Super Bowl - is a terrible ideal.

it's not one game.. they won with their defense all season long.. after the first 2 games, their defense is what kept them in every game

plus, it is the style of defense they play.. they go after the qb every chance they get

i'll take a chance on spag's style of coaching any day over GW's "bend and then break" defenses..

[shally]

Unfortunately, we'll probably be hiring either Mooch or Spags at this point, and if it's Spags, it probably will be because of this one game.

well, in the biggest game of the year, against the toughest opponent of the year, against a future HOF coach and qb, spags came up a winner.

i dont know how better you can judge someone's potential.. THAT is what snyder is choosing. the potential for mooch, or spags, or fassel to make the skins into a team that can play at an elite level

there is risk with every hire.

[Biggie]

well, in the biggest game of the year, against the toughest opponent of the year, against a future HOF coach and qb, spags came up a winner.

i dont know how better you can judge someone's potential.. THAT is what snyder is choosing. the potential for mooch, or spags, or fassel to make the skins into a team that can play at an elite level

there is risk with every hire.
I'm not saying that I'm against the Spags (I haven't learned how to spell his name yet) hire at all. I personally think it would be a good choice, because from what I've seen of his defense and his use of personnel, he would do much more with guys like McIntosh, Carter, and Landry than GW ever did and the defense would generate more pressure and be more aggressive. However, if Snyder ultimately does hire him, I don't doubt that today's game will have been the key factor.

[cal_junior]

they won with their defense all season long.. after the first 2 games, their defense is what kept them in every game

So your belief is that the Skins have been lacking a good defensive coach these past few years? Say what you want, the Redskins had enough defense to be a Super Bowl contender three of the past four years.

If we hire Steve Spagnuolo because the Giants unreal DL (who wont' be on our team next year, BTW) had a good game - we're making a mistake. We need someone to manage the staff and the players and help us win close games in the fourth quarter.

If Spags is that, fine. But his defense having an awesome Super Bowl Sunday better not be the reason.

[ObiWan1278]

Just a quick thought we had the Giants on the ropes earlier this year...how different things would have been had we not of choked that game.

Still IM glad the patriots will not be undefeated...

[Biggie]

So your belief is that the Skins have been lacking a good defensive coach these past few years? Say what you want, the Redskins had enough defense to be a Super Bowl contender three of the past four years.
In 2004 and 2005, you're probably right. However, the defense of this past season was hardly playoff worthy when it came to getting pressure on the quarterback and closing out games, let alone Super Bowl-caliber.

[RedskinRyan]

If we are waiting for Spags, then we are making a smart decision.

I now certainly hope that is the case.

[BandWagon]

Funny how we're all so optimistic about Spags because of this win. Almost feels like we don't have any ownership or front office problems...almost.

[flave1969]

Effect of this win. Well hopefully someone saw the value of a strong pass rush and a DC coaching without an ego.

[WarEagle]

"Other sources say that they interviewed Spags just to placate the fan base before selecting an old loser retread...." /sarcasm/

[Bushwacker]

With the Giants winning it this year, there is no reason for us not to be shooting for it next year. They proved you can be a very flawed team and still win it all.

Plus look back in history and who won the Superbowl the year after the G Men won their 2 previous titles????

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Hire Spags.

Immediately.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Effect of this win. Well hopefully someone saw the value of a strong pass rush and a DC coaching without an ego.

Which, by the way, should have already been painfully obvious after our playoff loss to the Seahawks.

[Hr fan]

"Other sources say that they interviewed Spags just to placate the fan base before selecting an old loser retread...." /sarcasm/

If I were Spagnulo I would interview with Snyderatto only if I thought I could get one of those Asst HC promotions with good $ (using Snyderatto for raising the ante is fail-proof). Then I would look for a job with a sane operation in the future.

[WRSK1NS]

it is more than that.. you need to be at least 6 or 7 deep. not everybody has to be an all pro, but when guys like osi or tuck are on the bench sucking oxygen you still need guys like robbins or alford, etc to keep up the pressure

we need another quality DE for certain. but we also need guys like wilson and buzbee to step up, or be replaced by guys who can step up. non contributors like boschetti should be off the roster

I agree. I think Boschetti has been kept around just because he has a cool name!

[redskin_rich]

So your belief is that the Skins have been lacking a good defensive coach these past few years? Say what you want, the Redskins had enough defense to be a Super Bowl contender three of the past four years.


Nope! Stats lie. Great defenses force turnovers and none of our GW led defenses have been good at that. And if Blache believes in the same bass-ackwards way of building a defense from the back forward, we will continue to suck, no matter how highly ranked they are in giving up yards.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Nope! Stats lie. Great defenses force turnovers and none of our GW led defenses have been good at that. And if Blache believes in the same bass-ackwards way of building a defense from the back forward, we will continue to suck, no matter how highly ranked they are in giving up yards.
I could not agree more.

[Skaggsrules]

The Giants winning shows that GW was full of it.........Pierce is the only really good player in the Giants back 7, but the front 4 made everyone else look amazing.....GW only wanted a ton of athletes in the back 7, when all he needed were 4 awesome D-linemen

[Patrick]

All this talk about Spagnuolo reminds me of Redskins HC hires from past years. Two promising coordinators .........
1. Joe Gibbs
2. Norv Turner

I think I'd take a chance on Spag's though. He's already got some Redskins blood in him (as I posted in another thread - started his NFL career in in 1983)

[colkurtz]

Nope! Stats lie. Great defenses force turnovers and none of our GW led defenses have been good at that. And if Blache believes in the same bass-ackwards way of building a defense from the back forward, we will continue to suck, no matter how highly ranked they are in giving up yards.

Exactly, the giants lost by 3 in the regular season to the Pats. We lost by 45.

Our GW defense couldn't hold the elite teams, such as Seattle scoring 31 on us.

[Hrabanmaur]

I think all those that are doubting Spags because of the talent of the front four defensive linemen among the Giants need to look at the Superbowl tape again. The blitz packages were simply amazing, and it wasn't just the front four. As others have noted, depth was a big factor, but that wasn't all. When you have players like Kawika Mitchell and Gibril Wilson in the face of the quarterback against one of the best offensive lines in the NFL, you are looking at a finely tuned unit playing to its maximum. I'll take a Head Coach who can do that any day of the week.

Everyone knows the Giants secondary is mediocre, just imagine what Spags could do if our D-line was bolstered over the next two seasons with players like Rogers and Landry already in place. I saw several opportunities for the Giants to pick off Brady's throws (as he was getting crunched by one Giant or another), but they never located the ball.

I have been a fan of Spags ever since his name popped up in the HC search. After last night's performance, I agree with Shally that the reward for hiring him is both worth the risk and promises greater potential than any of the other candidates.

[colkurtz]

With Fassel and Mooch we know what we are getting. Both were run out of their last HC job due to poor records. Both guys are solid choices who had good records.
They are the "safe" choices.

With Meeks and Spang you have DC who have been on winning programs. They're more of a "risk" because they haven't been a HC before.

Go with the new guys and leave the retreads for television or radio commentary.

[cal_junior]

Our GW defense couldn't hold the elite teams, such as Seattle scoring 31 on us.

Wait, so you think the Skins' defense was the problem against Seattle? You need to go back an watch that game again.

[colkurtz]

Wait, so you think the Skins' defense was the problem against Seattle? You need to go back an watch that game again.

Obviously the problems on offense had a lot to do with it. But look at the difference between Seattle's defensive strategy versus ours. They attacked Collins with their DL greatly reducing his effectiveness. Yeah, I watched the game and I again ask who scored more points on whose defense?

Our 2007 defense was good but not elite. We certainly rallied in the last games because of the loss of ST (defense improved a lot ironically w/o ST) and the excellent play of Collins, otherwise I don't think we would have made the playoffs.

[Meatsnack]

Who could take our personnel at the end of 2007 and make it an "elite" defense? Not busting your chops but that seems like a pretty tall order for any coach I've ever seen, including Lombardi. The '85 Bears or 2000 Ravens we are not.

[cal_junior]

Obviously the problems on offense had a lot to do with it. But look at the difference between Seattle's defensive strategy versus ours. They attacked Collins with their DL greatly reducing his effectiveness. Yeah, I watched the game and I again ask who scored more points on whose defense?

Our defense forced two turnovers that game and allowed just two touchdowns, both times when Seattle started with the ball inside the Redskins' 45-yard-line. That is the kind of defense that wins playoffs games.

An offense that didn't score a point until the fourth quarter was the problem that game.

[redskin_rich]

Our defense forced two turnovers that game and allowed just two touchdowns, both times when Seattle started with the ball inside the Redskins' 45-yard-line. That is the kind of defense that wins playoffs games.

An offense that didn't score a point until the fourth quarter was the problem that game.

We got killed on the line of scrimmage in that game. We were lucky to be as close as we were for 3 quarters. It was very similar to the Buffalo game in that regard.

[Fathead]

Our defense forced two turnovers that game and allowed just two touchdowns, both times when Seattle started with the ball inside the Redskins' 45-yard-line. That is the kind of defense that wins playoffs games.

An offense that didn't score a point until the fourth quarter was the problem that game.

And the Defense that allowed Seattle to march down the field for the go ahead score in the 4th quarter needed to be better too. Maybe if we could have breathed in the general direction of Hasselbeck.....

[shally]

And the Defense that allowed Seattle to march down the field for the go ahead score in the 4th quarter needed to be better too. Maybe if we could have breathed in the general direction of Hasselbeck.....

that was clearly the turning point.. missing the FG and then allowing hasselbeck to easily march them down the field and score on a badly blown coverage by the defense (PP?)
we had shut down the crowd and had the hawks on their heels then

[firehawk157]

I think unnoticed in this is Randy Moss. I don't think he wants to stay in NE and Dan and Vinnie already stated their desire for a true stud #1 receiver. And Moss would benefit from having Campbell throw him the ball.

Thoughts???

[redskin_rich]

I think unnoticed in this is Randy Moss. I don't think he wants to stay in NE and Dan and Vinnie already stated their desire for a true stud #1 receiver. And Moss would benefit from having Campbell throw him the ball.

Thoughts???
No and why would Randy not want to stay in NE? They won't win 18 games in a season again but they will definitely be in the playoffs and a SB contender for quite a few more years. Also, I don't see why Randy would want to leave the best QB in the game to work with a project in Jason Campbell.

[techskinsfan]

y would randy leave tom brady and 23 touchdowns...unless hes in it for a big pay day...uh oh

[firehawk157]

I remember hearing some audio clips that expressed displeasure. I'm sure he would want to stay, but with the way he disappeared in the playoffs, I'm not sure Belicheat and Kraft are willing to pony up the money I think Moss thinks he deserves.

[shally]

I remember hearing some audio clips that expressed displeasure. I'm sure he would want to stay, but with the way he disappeared in the playoffs, I'm not sure Belicheat and Kraft are willing to pony up the money I think Moss thinks he deserves.

i agree.. welker is definitely a keeper.. but between gaffney, washington, chad jackson, stallworth and moss they are overloaded with receivers.

washington has become a special teams terror. my guess is that if chad shows he can be counted on, both stallworth and gaffney may be deemed expendible.

how do you walk away from all those TD's in reg season that moss contributed ?
and yesterday, moss was open but brady simply couldnt find him because of the rush

they will find a way to keep moss in the end. he wasnt the problem yesterday

[SkinsfaninNJ]

No and why would Randy not want to stay in NE? They won't win 18 games in a season again but they will definitely be in the playoffs and a SB contender for quite a few more years. Also, I don't see why Randy would want to leave the best QB in the game to work with a project in Jason Campbell.

The only reasons would be money and Belichick. Perhaps NE uses the franchise tag, but this could be Moss' last chance at FA during the prime of his career so last chance for a big pay day.

With Belichick, Moss has had some very interesting quotes post SB about he and Belichick don't talk to each other. Very different quotes than preseason when Belichick was saying Moss is the best receiver he's ever coached.

Having said all that, let's not forget the cancer Moss can be if the team around him doesn't play well.

[Battle Cat]

a great defensive line is the best eraser of flaws i can think of...
Your quarterback getting hot and playing lights out and only turning the ball over once on a pass that should have been caught throughout the entire playoffs plays a small role as well.