Zorn Hired, do you approve w/Poll

[fent]

Breaking news on the ticker on nfl network says the HC is Jim Zorn. i like the move in theory. we'll see how it plays out.

[CNYSkinFan]

r u effing kidding me...

So he is qb coach, oc, and hc?

Someone wake me from this nightmare

[shally]

Breaking news on the ticker on nfl network says the HC is Jim Zorn. i like the move in theory. we'll see how it plays out.

take that, jerry jones !!!!

snyder is going to show you how to set the bar for promoting un-ready coaches

maybe he can hire fassel to be HIS OC ???

[CNYSkinFan]

Son of Jones

kneel before Zorn!!!!

http://host.trivialbeing.org/up/zod.head.jpg

[redskinz#1fan]

just saw this my self!!!

I was out grocery shopping and went into my office in the house and saw the ticker...I was like WTF!!!

I kinda of like this move...I think!!!

[shally]

high risk/high reward

so much for drafting DL.... looks like it might be OL and WR's (and maybe a QB ???)

[BurnEm 26]

And the next OC is?

[syphy]

just saw that myself. not sure what to think about it. seems like a bit of a big step from QB coach to head coach, but i think others have done it. hmmm, have to see what Total Access says about it

[shally]

And the next OC is?

fassel....

[The Skinsinator]

ESPN News has reported the same thing. The craziest thing is Snyder would have probably hired Fassel had it not been for the fanbase outlash. Keep your fingers crossed. He strikes me as a highly intelligent guy who should be good with qbs/offense.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redsk...im_zorn_1.html

Ah hell Snyderrato probably just threw in the towel. Despite the criticism they've been working their arses off in this head coach search. Zorn could really work out though.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

wow....i just saw it....

[BurnEm 26]

fassel....

makes sense

[GolfFreak]

Unreal ... I'm totally shocked. Now we have to wait to see whose the new OC?

[CNYSkinFan]

Complete joke of a front office...Joke i tell you

[syphy]

ASHBURN, Va. -- Jim Zorn, the former Seattle Seahawks quarterbacks coach hired as the Washington Redskins' offensive coordinator, has been named as head coach.

The move was a surprise ending to a monthlong search for a replacement for Joe Gibbs.

Zorn will be introduced at a news conference at 3 p.m. Sunday, according to a person who was informed of the Redskins' decision.

The person spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because a formal announcement had not been made.

Zorn has been the Seahawks' quarterbacks coach for the last seven years. The Redskins hired him to be their offensive coordinator on Jan. 26 while continuing their search for a head coach.


http://www.nbc4.com/sports/15262279/detail.html

[silverspring]

Son of Jones

kneel before Zorn!!!!

http://host.trivialbeing.org/up/zod.head.jpg

muahhahahahaha

Well if this happens I wonder if he will call plays, or if he gets another coordinator. He will have to at least get some help i think, especially if he wants to focus on the campbell

[redskinz#1fan]

And the next OC is?

fassel....


I think that we may not hire a OC! I think that Zorn is going to be the OC/HC... What good would it be to hire an OC when you have Zorn who is offensive minded...Just a thought!

[CNYSkinFan]

I think that we may not hire a OC! I think that Zorn is going to be the OC/HC... What good would it be to hire an OC when you have Zorn who is offensive minded...Just a thought!
rookie hc and rookie oc at the same time?

Someone give me a gun

[44FAN]

Well that was like getting a root canal without the novocaine. Good luck Zorn, you're going to need it.

[The Skinsinator]

I think that we may not hire a OC! I think that Zorn is going to be the OC/HC... What good would it be to hire an OC when you have Zorn who is offensive minded...Just a thought!He will have an enormous amount of responsibility. Of all the people that dislike Daniel Snyder no one hates him more than Jim Fassel. Snyder has deceived him once again. :D

[BurnEm 26]

I think that we may not hire a OC! I think that Zorn is going to be the OC/HC... What good would it be to hire an OC when you have Zorn who is offensive minded...Just a thought!

He was a QB coach for several seasons without getting promoted. A OC/HC would be a gigantic leap. He has to have someone in mind. Let me take the back, Vinnie has to have someone in mind.

[bigcmr]

Are you serious??? Or is this some kind of cruel joke?

[redskinz#1fan]

rookie hc and rookie oc at the same time?

Someone give me a gun

Do you prefer a delivery by UPS or FEDex? :D

[CNYSkinFan]

Well I am going to look on the bright side. Jim Fassel should be pissed enough to go pOstal at Redskins park and take either Snyder or Cerrato, perhaps both out.

[CNYSkinFan]

Do you prefer a delivery by UPS or FEDex? :D
if I don't say fed ex I will get banned lol

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

Link from JLC's blog. (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/?referrer=email)

[shally]

I think that we may not hire a OC! I think that Zorn is going to be the OC/HC... What good would it be to hire an OC when you have Zorn who is offensive minded...Just a thought!

too many hats to be QB coach, OC, HC

he will need at least one guy he trusts under him

[bigcmr]

This is soooo shocking because since when does Snyder hire an un-known coach that isint big name. Well I hope this works out.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Im dumbfounded...I mean really? This was the outcome of their search promote the guy we hired to be a first time OC to HC because the fans hate Fassel. I sure hope it works out but he'll need to add to the offensive staff IMO, atleast a QB coach.

[KidBroSweets]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW


I have no clue what to say LOL

[syphy]

Zorn will be the next head coach. He spent a lot of time with Vinny Cerrato and Dan Snyder the past two days, team sources said, and the brass - Cerrato in particular - "fell in love with him."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/02/jim_zorn_1.html



I don't know anything about Zorn really, but the last part of that quote concerns me. If Vinny "loves" him can he be any good?

[fent]

we'll see how this goes. i could see us going WR in the first and trying to move Moss and a pick for a DE. We'll see what happens, but at least we know we've got someone with a fire to produce pacing the sidelines.

[superskin]

I dont understand the negative reaction, particulalry after the "anyone but Fassel" mantra going around for the last month.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Ok despite being dumbfounded I'm willing to hop onboard the Zorn wagon and hope for the best. I believe he'll be better pro coach than Spurrier, so it could always be worse.

[fent]

JLC thinks a 5 year deal. at least it sounds like they'll give him the time to actually work it out.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Just saw it on NFL network. I really don't know what to say. I guess high risk, high reward like Shally said sums it up best. The surprises never stop in Redskin 3-ring circus.

[44FAN]

Just food for thought, but why do we need an OC if Zorn is so offensive minded? I think part of the problem with the Skins that last few seasons was the disconnect between Gibbs and Saunders. In Gibbs first go round he didn't have a OC, he called the game by himself. Sure he had someone upstairs giving him trends and formations, but Gibbs as a ROOKIE coach called his own ballgame. And won....

[Syllable]

Snyder will either look really smart or remain really dumb in 3 years.

[CNYSkinFan]

Link from JLC's blog. (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/?referrer=email)
Twice in recent days the Redskins contacted Jim Fassel to tell him they were about to begin contract discussions with him, but never reached that stage, league sources said. Steve Mariucci and Ron Meeks, the other finalists, had not been contacted as this afternoon.

One league source said Zorn would get a five-year deal. The Redskins had not made contact with Fassel still by 7:15 this evening to inform him of their intent, league sources said.

Please forward my gone to Fassel

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

what i love the most is how under the radar this move was. i mean, this wasn't even in any internet rumors, unless joedaschmoe has some inside connections that nobody knows about, lol.

[InsomniaKiller]

In Zorn we trust!!!...

Eh, it could grown on ya.

I said I didn't want Fassell and I meant it, so I'm happy. We can't hate on the guy until we give him a shot to show us what he's capable of.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

I dont understand the negative reaction, particulalry after the "anyone but Fassel" mantra going around for the last month.

The reaction is a shock regarding hiring him as OC first then giving him the HC job 2 weeks later. However, I definitely prefer this move to hiring Fassel.

[CNYSkinFan]

what i love the most is how under the radar this move was. i mean, this wasn't even in any internet rumors, unless joedaschmoe has some inside connections that nobody knows about, lol.
ok Joe...this is on you!!

[hail2skins]

Let's keep all the pictures out of here and stay on topic.

[Syllable]

I think we targetted Zorn from the beginning, and told him he would get the job if no one else bigger was available. Safety net?

[Hrabanmaur]

I admit I am shocked. Certainly did not see this coming. On the other hand, I respect the boldness of the move. Mediocrity will not cut it in the NFL...to win you have to take the risks. I hope this works out for the best. At the very least, I hope we give him the patience to find success.

As for OC, does Fassel get the consolation prize?

[CNYSkinFan]

I dont understand the negative reaction, particulalry after the "anyone but Fassel" mantra going around for the last month.
All I got to say is that ANYONe questioning Spags credentials better not talk about how happy they are with this hire.

The guy was a qb's coach for 6 years, and never got a whiff at OC before 2 weeks ago.

and now he is HC.

I hope that we will all look back at theis day and talk about Cnyder's genius, but my hopes have been dashed too many times as A Redskin fan to expect that hope to be realistic

[CNYSkinFan]

Let's keep all the pictures out of here and stay on topic.
oh come on i only posted one :)

[silverspring]

All I got to say is that ANYONe questioning Spags credentials better not talk about how happy they are with this hire.

The guy was a qb's coach for 6 years, and never got a whiff at OC before 2 weeks ago.

and now he is HC.

I hope that we will all look back at theis day and talk about Cnyder's genius, but my hopes have been dashed too many times as A Redskin fan to expect that hope to be realistic

Experience is definitely a big question mark. Before he was hired we were concerned if hiring spags would leave zorn with too much responsibility. I assume he is going to get himself some help on the offensive side of the ball.

That being said i am sort of in the anyone but fossil bandwagon, I would rather have the inexperienced up and coming coach then the retread. So this is a bit of consolation prize. The good news is that by all reports blache can handle the defense by himself so that will certainly relieve some pressure from zorn. I really hope zorn gets some kind of offensive assistant head coach type person. Who knows maybe buges will take that role, that would certainly add some veteran stability into the mix.

[Bengal224ord]

Breaking news on the ticker on nfl network says the HC is Jim Zorn. i like the move in theory. we'll see how it plays out.

I must say, after we didn't get Cowher to come in we made the right choice. Zorn has worked with one of the best coaches in Mike Holmgren and I’m sure he has learned a lot. You can see how the Seahawk Offense adapted to the play/non play of Alexander. I would say he played a big part in that. I'm sure he looked at the weapons we have in ARE, CP, Moss, and Cooley before he made the move to D.C. Hopefully he stays for long time.

Now we all need to be patient and give the man a chance. I recall Gibbs going 0-5, before his run. I'm so tired of all the re-thread coaches. I’m still trying to figure out how Norv Turner got the Chargers job. Meeks would have been good, but Zorn is better since he was already on the payroll. We needed to give it to a guy who was not here the pure cash. He came in to be the OC, so you know he wasn't expecting a promotion so early.

Bengal224ord:moon1:

[greatest2]

first time coach is fine, hell JOe gibbs was that his first go around.

BUT, a first term head coach who has never even been a coordinator and was the QB coach under mIke Holmegran (yea he must have learned alot, but Holmgran is the guy who really groomed Hassleback), is a little risky. I hope it pans out.

Dan will either be an idiot or genius with this move

[CNYSkinFan]

So the new hires under Snyderato have been:

Zorn....no experience as OC or HC...and now he is both.

Palermo....out of football for a year, little nfl experience, last job at a glorifiec community college program...and he is the dl coach, the area most needing improvement.

Where's Akh and the bourbon?

[bigcmr]

Well a least its over with. Come on Zorn you can do it!!!

[Syllable]

Even though this is a 5 year deal, I think this is just a door wedge to keep the door open for Cowher next year.

[CNYSkinFan]

Even though this is a 5 year deal, I think this is just a door wedge to keep the door open for Cowher next year.
why in sweet bloody hell would Cowher want to come to this mess

[jaylen]

Strangely and this goes beyond simple logic I'd prefer this than Fassel and I can't say that comes with any logic at all. Fassel logic holds as a 2nd time coach might have done a better job this time around but for some reason this feels like the chance to take.

This could be a huge flop OR a stroke of brillance. Snyder needs one of these deals to work out eventually maybe this is it.

I'd have preferred Meeks but this just doesn't seem as bad as it might be.

[hail2skins]

I dont understand the negative reaction, particulalry after the "anyone but Fassel" mantra going around for the last month.I don't understand it either.

Chances are he'll hire an OC and won't serve in both jobs.

[Syllable]

why in sweet bloody hell would Cowher want to come to this mess

If pictures were allowed, I would post a briefcase full of cash and a six flags lifetime pass..

[Red Bear]

the overreactive, negative, and unwarranted comments over the past month have made me sick. the people who post like they could do a better job running the team have made me sick. Proposals of boycotts, extreme amounts of sarcasm, and in some cases extreme ignorance towards this coaching search have made me sick. I've been kind of quiet through this whole process, even shunning some threads on various forums and many media outlets. I was able to maintain my patience and keep my cool. Im glad this finally appears to be over, Congratulations to Jim Zorn. Lets hope he can have a winning tenure for the Redskins..

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Obviously, given my extremely Nostradamus-esque thread on the subject, I like this move.

Next target: An experienced West Coast guy to bring in as OC and give Zorn a little help.

[silverspring]

I dont understand the negative reaction, particulalry after the "anyone but Fassel" mantra going around for the last month.

At this point snyder could hire god himself and people would be bashing him; snyder deserves it to a degree though. Even though his last hire, gibbs, was met with unanimous approval and most people would still rather gibbs stayed another your, people aren't going to get behind snyder until he wins something.

[CNYSkinFan]

the overreactive, negative, and unwarranted comments over the past month have made me sick. the people who post like they could do a better job running the team have made me sick. Proposals of boycotts, extreme amounts of sarcasm, and in some cases extreme ignorance towards this coaching search have made me sick. I've been kind of quiet through this whole process, even shunning some threads on various forums and many media outlets. I was able to maintain my patience and keep my cool. Im glad this finally appears to be over, Congratulations to Jim Zorn. Lets hope he can have a winning tenure for the Redskins..
Lets just hope our season does not make you sick

[greatest2]

who will zorn get to be his OC. even if zorn calls the plays he is still going to need help game planning and stuff. A west coast guy for sure, but who?

EDIT: oh no, i just thought of who could be the OC, greg knip (spelling, the guy who was the falcons oc and the guy TO yelled at in San Fran. please god, no!)


second, i wonder knowing what he knows now, would snyder give GW the job? probably not. Like i said, they will either be looked at as geniuses for being so patient and going outside the box, or looked at as an idiot for hiring a qb coach to be your head coach.

[warpaint]

just happy it wasnt fassel. there is hope with zorn,and scorn with fassel.

[AliBabba]

I like this, I will use thie word "retread" for the 4.586 time and say I am glad we didn't go that route.

*cbs* yeah!!

If you are gonna be crazy, be crazy. Lightning in a bottle, let's see what happens!!

btw ... I have no idea who Zorn is or what he looks like, lol, he's my head coach now

[CNYSkinFan]

I like this, I will use thie word "retread" for the 4.586 time and say I am glad we didn't go that route.

*cbs* yeah!!

If you are gonna be crazy, be crazy. Lightning in a bottle, let's see what happens!!

btw ... I have no idea who Zorn is or what he looks like, lol, he's my head coach now
I love this plan, I am excited to be a part of it.

Lets go cross the streams

[greatest2]

fassel must really hate snyder now. first he will get the job then gibbs comes back. then he will get the job, and the fans go crazy and snyder pulls back, then after canidates pull out it looks like it is all his and then snyder pulls a fast one and gives it to Zorn.

I think it is safe to say Fassel will never be involved with the redskin organization ever because of his hate for snyder now. While i am happy with the end result (fassel never being a redskin, ever), i can't agree with the means (leaving the guy hanging and stuff, thats rough)

heres to hoping snyder is a genius and we get lucky after the season that came straight from hell:beer:

[hail2skins]

the overreactive, negative, and unwarranted comments over the past month have made me sick. the people who post like they could do a better job running the team have made me sick. Proposals of boycotts, extreme amounts of sarcasm, and in some cases extreme ignorance towards this coaching search have made me sick. I've been kind of quiet through this whole process, even shunning some threads on various forums and many media outlets. I was able to maintain my patience and keep my cool. Im glad this finally appears to be over, Congratulations to Jim Zorn. Lets hope he can have a winning tenure for the Redskins..I don't think anyone on messageboards think they can do it better than professionals. That's going a bit far. Fans will be fans. They'll like some things and won't like others.

Believe what you will but this search was but there were some issues with this search. Just like you say all of the negativity makes you sick, others can say how the search made them sick.

[warpaint]

fassel must really hate snyder now. first he will get the job then gibbs comes back. then he will get the job, and the fans go crazy and snyder pulls back, then after canidates pull out it looks like it is all his and then snyder pulls a fast one and gives it to Zorn.

I think it is safe to say Fassel will never be involved with the redskin organization ever because of his hate for snyder now. While i am happy with the end result (fassel never being a redskin, ever), i can't agree with the means (leaving the guy hanging and stuff, thats rough)

heres to hoping snyder is a genius and we get lucky after the season that came straight from hell:beer:

heck fassel is so desperate he would take the o.c. position if we offered it.

[SkinsGuru]

Im dumbfounded...I mean really? This was the outcome of their search promote the guy we hired to be a first time OC to HC because the fans hate Fassel. I sure hope it works out but he'll need to add to the offensive staff IMO, atleast a QB coach.

I would prefer the hire an OC in the same mole as ZORN . . . then let Zorn oversee the offense and the team, and be his own QB coach

[chrisbcbu]

Wow Snyder sure does like to suprise the heck out of everyone!

Spurrier, Gibbs and now Zorn.

For the record i dont have a problem with this hire. I think it is quite good in fact. Now i am interested to see who he brings as OC. Hmm do we try to keep Lazor and move him to OC? He did work in Atlanta with their WCO. I dont think he has been officially hired by Seattle yet.

And for someone who said Knapp, he is out of the question. He is already guaranteed the OC position in Seattle next year when Mora gets the HC job.

[Red Bear]

Lets just hope our season does not make you sick

nope. as much as i love winning, im excited to watch the redskins take the field and play every week no matter the personnel/staff, no matter our record. 2-3 years of ineptitude then ill complain about the zorn hire if thats the case. but i refuse to do so now. we got a long offseason of no football and i for one dont plan to spend it whining/complaining about hiring jim zorn instead of bill cowher, russ grimm, steve spagnuolo or anyone else. if thats how someone feels then all i can say is get over it. zorn is our head coach now, he has my support to do well until he proves he no longer deserves it.

[greatest2]

heck fassel is so desperate he would take the o.c. position if we offered it.

he isnt a west coast guy, is he? im sure would want a true west coast guy since that is what he is.

since knapp is out since someone said he will be in seatlle with mora next year, i don't see the FO going for a one year guy while trying to build a first time head coach up.

who else is out there, and keep in mind he probably gotta be a west coast guy.

[hail2skins]

I have added a poll to this thread so we can see what hR members really think about it. This is a public poll too.

[greatest2]

I have added a poll to this thread so we can see what hR members really think about it. This is a public poll too.

Since spags has left, im all for it.

but at the start of the search up until spags went back to New York i was against it.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

i approve. anybody but fassel. if it had been fassel, i wouldve dealt with it, but i wouldnt have liked it. i was ok with spags, meeks, mooch or grimm. im anxious to see how the rookie does. he comes from a successful coaching tree (holmgren) and was a former NFL player, so that makes me feel a little better. imjust glad this thing is OVER!

[wewantdallas]

This is AWESOME. To me, this is the best move they could have made, at least from my gut/heart reaction.

I watched Zorn play when he was a QB in Seattle. He was awesome, and I liked him as a player/person even back then. He was one of the best QBs in the league back then.

There will undoubtedly be growing pains and he has a lot to learn I'm sure....but I love this hire. He has a great football mind and he's a very likable person. I can't wait for him to take us back to Seattle and kick their asses in the amplified dome.

KNEEL BEFORE ZORN!!!

[SkinsGuru]

fassel must really hate snyder now. first he will get the job then gibbs comes back. then he will get the job, and the fans go crazy and snyder pulls back, then after canidates pull out it looks like it is all his and then snyder pulls a fast one and gives it to Zorn.

I think it is safe to say Fassel will never be involved with the redskin organization ever because of his hate for snyder now. While i am happy with the end result (fassel never being a redskin, ever), i can't agree with the means (leaving the guy hanging and stuff, thats rough)

heres to hoping snyder is a genius and we get lucky after the season that came straight from hell:beer:


I believe that Synder has always HATED fassell!! With a passion!!! He was never really considered for the job, Snyder just liked yanking his chain and had fun while doing it.

[IHATEDALLAS'82'87'91]

Give me Zorn over Fassel. But, i'm shocked none the less. The only positive i see is Jason Campbell's progression, considering how Zorn did with Hasselbeck.

[JasonCampbell]

Eh, I guess I'm okay with this considering our options were Fassell and Mooch. It will be refreshing to have a younger guy here, hungry and given his first opportunity.

I feel bad for Fassel and how we treated him. Don't think other NFL coaches aren't watching how we dealt with him and this issue. A guy like Cowher would never think about coming here. Snyder is a [radio edit].

The press conference is tomorrow at 3pm...on a Sunday?

[MCBALT]

After 30 days of waiting it is time to move forward! Seattle has knocked us out of the playoffs 2x under the Gibbs II era. Hasselback did us in both times (2005 and 2007). Zorn, as QB coach, and Seattle, had some good games against us and he is considered an innovator. Let's give him a chance.

A Seattlepi.com article from August of 2007 stated that "Zorn never has done things the traditional way, from his days as the Seahawks' original quarterback to his rise through the coaching ranks to his current position as the team's quarterbacks coach."

The article is very good and gives some great insights into what folks in the upper Northwest thought of Jim, and that overall is very positive.

Although I agree the Skins hiring process appeared to be more complex than was needed, we asked for Mr. Snyder to put a football man in charge. Well he has, Vinny Cerrato. Mr. Cerrato has his pundits, but it is now on his watch, and we need to judge him on what he does going forward vs. the management by committee that we had through the last several years.

He is installing a West Coast Offense, and clearly, although Mr. Snyder initially said that things are pretty good, it appears he has given full reigns over to Mr. Cerrato, as he has been making huge changes in the direction of the offense and the team.

Hail Redskins!

[AliBabba]

I'm shocked to say the least, WOW!!!

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Well, that was over quickly...

[redskin_rich]

So, Zorn will be the HC and the OC, maybe not in title but the offensive playcaller? That's a steep jump for him. Not saying it can't be done, Andy Reid had a similar ascension but Reid took over a bad team, was given the time a patience to build it up through losing seasons and Reid was able to pick his franchise QB.

Not so here. This is a ready made playoff team with the franchise QB already in place. It will be interesting, to say the least, at how Zorn handles this situation. If I were him, I would start the overhaul now. Trade whatever we can to get more draft picks. I don't think he can implement what he wants to do with a lot of what we have. But then, nobody knows yet what he wants to do. The thing is though, it is easier to train then to retrain.

I see this as almost a big of a gamble that Spurrier was but hey, I love to roll the dice.

WTH, I like this move!

[syphy]

just posted on NFl.com

"I've always dreamed of being a head coach with a franchise rich in tradition like the Redskins," Zorn said in a team news release. "As a player who had to fight Redskins teams at RFK as well as at our home field, I know about the history of this franchise as well as the passion of its fans. I won't let you down."



http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80699cf6&template=with-video&confirm=true

What the hell, give him a shot.

[CNYSkinFan]

nope. as much as i love winning, im excited to watch the redskins take the field and play every week no matter the personnel/staff, no matter our record. 2-3 years of ineptitude then ill complain about the zorn hire if thats the case. but i refuse to do so now. we got a long offseason of no football and i for one dont plan to spend it whining/complaining about hiring jim zorn instead of bill cowher, russ grimm, steve spagnuolo or anyone else. if thats how someone feels then all i can say is get over it. zorn is our head coach now, he has my support to do well until he proves he no longer deserves it.
so your ideal message board banter would be this

"Hey the Redskins are great"

"I agree"

ok well...prepare to be made sick for along time

[AliBabba]

WTH, I like this move!


me too

[CNYSkinFan]

I have added a poll to this thread so we can see what hR members really think about it. This is a public poll too.
Well I am officially on the fence because I am not sure of what Zorn brings at all. He definitely is a blank slate, and I wil judge him on wins and wins alone.....

What I can tell you is I disapprove whole heartedly at the amazingly amateurish way this entire process has played out.

[hail2skins]

So, Zorn will be the HC and the OC, maybe not in title but the offensive playcaller? That's a steep jump for him. Not saying it can't be done, Andy Reid had a similar ascension but Reid took over a bad team, was given the time a patience to build it up through losing seasons and Reid was able to pick his franchise QB.

Not so here. This is a ready made playoff team with the franchise QB already in place. It will be interesting, to say the least, at how Zorn handles this situation. If I were him, I would start the overhaul now. Trade whatever we can to get more draft picks. I don't think he can implement what he wants to do with a lot of what we have. But then, nobody knows yet what he wants to do. The thing is though, it is easier to train then to retrain.

I see this as almost a big of a gamble that Spurrier was but hey, I love to roll the dice.

WTH, I like this move!I would say we are a playoff team if we keep the same offensive and defensive schemes. If we don't, I don't see us as a playoff team because we'll be learning a new offense again.

[BigDaddySkin]

Well the high profile HC, OC & DC hasn't worked......let's give the Newbie a try.....

[shally]

This is AWESOME. To me, this is the best move they could have made, at least from my gut/heart reaction.

I watched Zorn play when he was a QB in Seattle. He was awesome, and I liked him as a player/person even back then. He was one of the best QBs in the league back then.

There will undoubtedly be growing pains and he has a lot to learn I'm sure....but I love this hire. He has a great football mind and he's a very likable person. I can't wait for him to take us back to Seattle and kick their asses in the amplified dome.

KNEEL BEFORE ZORN!!!

i agree...

i think that it makes a lot of sense in the long run. the issues for him are going to be organizational on offense, so he will need a trusted lieutenant to help him plan and execute.

it will also give blache essentially complete autonomy to run the defense.
it is great that greg has had experience himself as a DC

i expect some rough patches even though we have a veteran team. gibbs was 8-8 his first year and started off 0-5. we will need to show some patience.

the most interesting thing will be whether zorn hedges his bets on JC and gets himself a vet back up. also, i would not put it past them to draft a qb
this year, although in contrast to mooch (who would have likely wanted a first day pick) i think zorn will be happy with a second day pick.

another think to keep an eye is is whether zorn picks up seneca wallace from the seahawks. he is a UFA this year and that might be the guy zorn wants.
wallace is not going to be doing much starting as long as hasselbeck is there and they have even used him a little in the "slash" role in the past.

overall, when you think of the production of guys like reid, mccarthy, gruden,
who all were offensive coaches under holmgren i really like the pedigree that zorn brings to the redskins

i wanted us to go young.. i just didnt see the obvious man under our noses..

[hail2skins]

Well I am officially on the fence because I am not sure of what Zorn brings at all. He definitely is a blank slate, and I wil judge him on wins and wins alone.....

What I can tell you is I disapprove whole heartedly at the amazingly amateurish way this entire process has played out.There's no fence here, either you like it or you don't. As for the 2nd issue, I believe a lot of folks will agree with you and I'm one of them.

[AliBabba]

so your ideal message board banter would be this

"Hey the Redskins are great"

"I agree"

ok well...prepare to be made sick for along time
there's a place you can find that, dont remember the exact URL, something like:

ww.e-z-totheextreme-redskinz.com/propertyofdansynderatto/putz.html

[hail2skins]

just posted on NFl.com

"I've always dreamed of being a head coach with a franchise rich in tradition like the Redskins," Zorn said in a team news release. "As a player who had to fight Redskins teams at RFK as well as at our home field, I know about the history of this franchise as well as the passion of its fans. I won't let you down."



http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80699cf6&template=with-video&confirm=true

What the hell, give him a shot.Those words will be remembered, you can best believe that.

[BigDaddySkin]

You know the players have to be going......GEEEEZE another system!:bangdesk:

[Chief Seeway]

After 30 days of waiting it is time to move forward! Seattle has knocked us out of the playoffs 2x under the Gibbs II era. Hasselback did us in both times (2005 and 2007). Zorn, as QB coach, and Seattle, had some good games against us and he is considered an innovator. Let's give him a chance.

A Seattlepi.com article from August of 2007 stated that "Zorn never has done things the traditional way, from his days as the Seahawks' original quarterback to his rise through the coaching ranks to his current position as the team's quarterbacks coach."

The article is very good and gives some great insights into what folks in the upper Northwest thought of Jim, and that overall is very positive.

Although I agree the Skins hiring process appeared to be more complex than was needed, we asked for Mr. Snyder to put a football man in charge. Well he has, Vinny Cerrato. Mr. Cerrato has his pundits, but it is now on his watch, and we need to judge him on what he does going forward vs. the management by committee that we had through the last several years.

He is installing a West Coast Offense, and clearly, although Mr. Snyder initially said that things are pretty good, it appears he has given full reigns over to Mr. Cerrato, as he has been making huge changes in the direction of the offense and the team.

Hail Redskins!

Best first post ever.


Welcome aboard.

[greatest2]

just posted on NFl.com

"I've always dreamed of being a head coach with a franchise rich in tradition like the Redskins," Zorn said in a team news release. "As a player who had to fight Redskins teams at RFK as well as at our home field, I know about the history of this franchise as well as the passion of its fans. I won't let you down."



http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80699cf6&template=with-video&confirm=true

What the hell, give him a shot.

the passion and hunger of a first timer is awsome. i hope he is like gibbs when we first got him, and man determined not to lose/let anyone down/win.

go ahead , im on your boat. Give the guy 4 years, and make it happen baby

[greatest2]

Those words will be remembered, you can best believe that.

yes sir, sorta like Al suanders "time to take the handcuffs off" remark.

[SkinsGuru]

I was over at ES (i know . . . why??) just looking for fan reaction to Zorn and noticed that their press release has info in it that isn't in the AP release . . .

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237735

Most notably:

“Playing experience like Jim’s is an enormous advantage for a head coach,” said Gibbs. “Every move he makes, every play he calls, is based on the foundation of having actually played in real time and in the face of real opponents. You can’t learn that on the sidelines or in the classroom.”

“Dan and Vinny worked extremely hard on this process, and their research and diligence paid off after many long nights and hard hours. They’re to be congratulated for that,” Gibbs said.

“Dan was impressed with Jim from their first meeting. The first time he talked to me about hiring Jim I could tell what a strong impression he had made,” Gibbs added. “Jim was a heck of a player, I know because I had to coach against him. But everyone also knows what a high-quality person he is, it’s the first thing people tell you.”

“I’m also extremely excited about the fact that Dan has maintained such stability and continuity among the staff. Not just the coaches, but also the entire infrastructure – strength coaches, medical staff, and others – that is required to maintain chemistry on a team,” Gibbs said.

Does that really sound like Gibbs?? Does that mean that Gibbs was in Snyders ears saying be patient, don't make a quick hire, wait until you find the right man?? Does that mean that Gibbs was more involved in this process than we though?? And . . . does this mean that Gibbs GAVE HIS APPROVAL for this hire???

[redskin_rich]

I would say we are a playoff team if we keep the same offensive and defensive schemes. If we don't, I don't see us as a playoff team because we'll be learning a new offense again.
I agree, Mike. That is why I said it will be interesting how Zorn handles this situation. I'm sure he has his own ideas that he wants to implement but at the same time, the expectations are too high to start over right now.

Hopefully he can adjust his ideas to a veteran team, much like a young Joe Gibbs did, many moons ago. Without the 0-5 start though. ;)

[WarEagle]

the overreactive, negative, and unwarranted comments over the past month have made me sick. the people who post like they could do a better job running the team have made me sick. Proposals of boycotts, extreme amounts of sarcasm, and in some cases extreme ignorance towards this coaching search have made me sick. I've been kind of quiet through this whole process, even shunning some threads on various forums and many media outlets. I was able to maintain my patience and keep my cool. Im glad this finally appears to be over, Congratulations to Jim Zorn. Lets hope he can have a winning tenure for the Redskins..

I wish I was as good a fan as you, Red Bear. :rolleyes:

[CNYSkinFan]

There's no fence here, either you like it or you don't. As for the 2nd issue, I believe a lot of folks will agree with you and I'm one of them.
Seriously I just can't decide whether I am happy about Zorn or not....I won't know until I see something on the field. He has no record to be judged on, not even as a coordinator. Someone made the point that though he was a qb coach, they are not sure he can even be jhudged on that since his starting qb (Hasselbeck) was handpicked by Holmgren and groomed by him as well in GB.

I am on the fence on Zorn

For the record I would not have been happy with Williams, Fassel, or Mora

I would have been happy with Cowher, Carroll, Meeks, Spags,

[Chief Seeway]

So we still need an OC and QB coach. Anyone think it will be decided by Dan or will he allow Zorn to hire on his own?

[redskin_rich]

I'll just add that I have been one of Snyder's biggest critic over the last month but this move took balls and I give him credit for that. Now I just hope he has patience with Zorn and doesn't start bringing in consultants or undermining him in any way, if things don't go so well at first.

[ChapelHillMatt]

Well I have no opinion on this hire, I don't know whether this is good or bad. I guess we'll find out sooner or later.

I am glad a decision was finally made though.

[shally]

the passion and hunger of a first timer is awsome. i hope he is like gibbs when we first got him, and man determined not to lose/let anyone down/win.

go ahead , im on your boat. Give the guy 4 years, and make it happen baby

i agree (although i think meeks would have brought the same passion)

what i think zorn has going for him politically is that he is an offensive minded coach. by that, i think the defensive players who might have been hesistant to embrace another defensive coach because of their loyalty to GW, dont really have that as an issue. plus, i think the loyalty to blache is strong

on the other hand, i dont really get a sense that the offensive players would have lobbied that hard for AS to be head coach. zorn will likely be much more popular and approachable based upon his past record.

i think if i am CP i have to be doing flips because of the multiple ways he will be used. if i am JC, i am hitting the books as hard as i can..

i expect that zorn will wear the dual hats of QB coach and HC, but he has to hire an OC to not spread himself too thin and to give himself another pair of eyes up in the box or to help him call plays.. this will be an EXTREMELY interesting hire to watch

anybody want to make any serious suggestions ? i would think someone like marty morningwheg, but i think it might be a lateral move for him.. someone from philly's, tampa's or green bay's staff ????

[CNYSkinFan]

I will say this...I do like the fact that this is not a meal ticket stop for Zorn. He is going to be hungry to prove himself...

oh wth I am in...I like the hire, better then anyone else on the table right now.

I hated we waited 30 days to do it.

[lorimike]

I'm glad the organization is giving someone new shot at the head coaching postion. Jim Zorn is a good hire. Remember before they become hall of fame coaches they are basically nobodys

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[hail2skins]

So we still need an OC and QB coach. Anyone think it will be decided by Dan or will he allow Zorn to hire on his own?Good question. He has to allow Zorn to fill those positions.

[greatest2]

i agree (although i think meeks would have brought the same passion)

what i think zorn has going for him politically is that he is an offensive minded coach. by that, i think the defensive players who might have been hesistant to embrace another defensive coach because of their loyalty to GW, dont really have that as an issue. plus, i think the loyalty to blache is strong

on the other hand, i dont really get a sense that the offensive players would have lobbied that hard for AS to be head coach. zorn will likely be much more popular and approachable based upon his past record.

i think if i am CP i have to be doing flips because of the multiple ways he will be used. if i am JC, i am hitting the books as hard as i can..

i expect that zorn will wear the dual hats of QB coach and HC, but he has to hire an OC to not spread himself too thin and to give himself another pair of eyes up in the box or to help him call plays.. this will be an EXTREMELY interesting hire to watch

anybody want to make any serious suggestions ? i would think someone like marty morningwheg, but i think it might be a lateral move for him.. someone from philly's, tampa's or green bay's staff ????


philly or green bay would be ideal i think. while holmegran may have helped gruden i think gruden is a little TO technical with his offense, and it is just overwhelming. i like someone from green bay's staff they are a little innovative there (i like that run play with two fullbacks and a running back, cause the second full back secures a cut back lane or a MLB who gets free.) anyway, someone from GB or philly (casue in philly they know how to have an offense with little weapons, tho i wish they ran more).

my question is who? i guess its going to be a WR coach or something from those staffs. it only matters in the game plan because Zorn will call his own games

[hail2skins]

I was over at ES (i know . . . why??)
Does that really sound like Gibbs?? Does that mean that Gibbs was in Snyders ears saying be patient, don't make a quick hire, wait until you find the right man?? Does that mean that Gibbs was more involved in this process than we though?? And . . . does this mean that Gibbs GAVE HIS APPROVAL for this hire???I thinking someone said let's make sure we get Gibbs comments to ease the fans. LMAO.

[CNYSkinFan]

Good question. He has to allow Zorn to fill those positions.
shhhhh don't tell Dan what to do...he will do whatever he wants lol

[SkinsGuru]

I thinking someone said let's make sure we get Gibbs comments to ease the fans. LMAO.


I think you're right. Quotes from Giggs reassuring us all is well. LOL

[CNYSkinFan]

I thinking someone said let's make sure we get Gibbs comments to ease the fans. LMAO.
YEah...you got that righ. That was the biggest canned response I everseen

[greatest2]

YEah...you got that righ. That was the biggest canned response I everseen

I think you're right. Quotes from Giggs reassuring us all is well. LOL

I thinking someone said let's make sure we get Gibbs comments to ease the fans. LMAO.

i know all of this, yet it still puts me at ease. man that man is powerful around here

[lorimike]

I thinking someone said let's make sure we get Gibbs comments to ease the fans. LMAO.>>>>

Doesn't matter it's a good hire. Snyder is becoming less impulsive. I am so glad he did not hire fassel
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[GolfFreak]

I'm still stunned, but I'm excited. I too like the fact that he's not a retread and is hungry to prove himself. He better get to work, free agency starts in a month!

[MCBALT]

JLC of Washington Post reporting on Shawn Springs very positive reaction to the hiring of Jim Zorn:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

Not only is it very positive, it is also very interesting. He states that Jim Zorn is organized and confident. These are just the attributes that the Redskins have been critisized as lacking for many years.

On top of this, coming from Shawn Springs who was rumored on his way out, this could also be an initial sign of "football" level support for this hiring.

Maybe, there is something positive coming!

Hail Redskins!

[redskin_rich]

When did Gibbs make these comments? He is at Daytona right now with a headset on. Are we sure these aren't older recycled comments, because I watched an interview with him a couple hours ago from Daytona and he had nothing to say on the topic, other than he believes it was time to leave the Skins. When the news broke about Zorn, Gibbs was not around to be interviewed, I can assure you all of that, unless he did a quick cell phone call.

[shally]

Good question. He has to allow Zorn to fill those positions.
how about one of these 3 guys

Pat shurmur QB coach (7 years) with eagles

tom clements QB coach (11 years) with green bay


greg olson QB coach (7 years) now with tampa

i could see any of those guys being elevated to OC

[shally]

JLC of Washington Post reporting on Shawn Springs very positive reaction to the hiring of Jim Zorn:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

Not only is it very positive, it is also very interesting. He states that Jim Zorn is organized and confident. These are just the attributes that the Redskins have been critisized as lacking for many years.

On top of this, coming from Shawn Springs who was rumored on his way out, this could also be an initial sign of "football" level support for this hiring.

Maybe, there is something positive coming!

Hail Redskins!

interesting that it is coming from the defensive side of the ball..

[smoak]

Lets see, who is the one guy they could hire who wouldn't turn them down... Ok, they also could have gone with Blache. :rolleyes:

[greatest2]

how about one of these 3 guys

Pat shurmur QB coach (7 years) with eagles

tom clements QB coach (11 years) with green bay


greg olson QB coach (7 years) now with tampa

i could see any of those guys being elevated to OC

i like pat shurmur. he develop Mcnabb, and altho Mcnabb has great talent, he also developed Aj feely into a good back up and detmer into a decent backup. he can work with under talented players, as well as the greatly talented like mcnabb. they got it down lacking wide recievers, and found ways to get the playmakers the ball even if the defense knew who it was going to.

i like pat

[Chief Seeway]

Does that really sound like Gibbs?? Does that mean that Gibbs was in Snyders ears saying be patient, don't make a quick hire, wait until you find the right man?? Does that mean that Gibbs was more involved in this process than we though?? And . . . does this mean that Gibbs GAVE HIS APPROVAL for this hire???

I have a feeling Gibbs had very little to do with this or any decision at Redskins Park since he left. Regardless, Zorn is our guy now. Hopefully he gets some help at the OC and QB coaching positions.

[smoak]

JLC of Washington Post reporting on Shawn Springs very positive reaction to the hiring of Jim Zorn:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

Not only is it very positive, it is also very interesting. He states that Jim Zorn is organized and confident. These are just the attributes that the Redskins have been critisized as lacking for many years.

On top of this, coming from Shawn Springs who was rumored on his way out, this could also be an initial sign of "football" level support for this hiring.

Maybe, there is something positive coming!

Hail Redskins!

Springs can rot for all I care. He is a has been, adn I'mm looking forward to getting som cap relief from cutting his sorry behind.

[lorimike]

Lets see, who is the one guy they could hire who wouldn't turn them down... Ok, they also could have gone with Blache. :rolleyes:>>>

Come on! This is a good hire. Much better than Fassell. There are only 32 head coaches in the NFL. Lots of guys would love to coach the Redskins

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[greatest2]

When did Gibbs make these comments? He is at Daytona right now with a headset on. Are we sure these aren't older recycled comments, because I watched an interview with him a couple hours ago from Daytona and he had nothing to say on the topic, other than he believes it was time to leave the Skins. When the news broke about Zorn, Gibbs was not around to be interviewed, I can assure you all of that, unless he did a quick cell phone call.

i bet they told gibbs about the decision earlier then they announced it. put together a press statement and released it at a later time. Gibbs statements were good and thoughful, meaning he probably didn't do it on the spur of the moment. the comments were probably taken down by someone earlier in the day, they put it in the press release, and when the story breaks they let it go.

[smoak]

how about one of these 3 guys

Pat shurmur QB coach (7 years) with eagles

tom clements QB coach (11 years) with green bay


greg olson QB coach (7 years) now with tampa

i could see any of those guys being elevated to OC

Olson was already hired somewhere. I'd take Shurmur though...

[redskin_rich]

Lets see, who is the one guy they could hire who wouldn't turn them down... Ok, they also could have gone with Blache. :rolleyes:

The Skins could have had Fassel or Mooch, I'm pretty sure. I like taking a chance on a new guy. Let me ask you this, who would you have preferred?

[WarEagle]

I was over at ES (i know . . . why??) just looking for fan reaction to Zorn and noticed that their press release has info in it that isn't in the AP release . . .

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237735

Most notably:



Does that really sound like Gibbs?? Does that mean that Gibbs was in Snyders ears saying be patient, don't make a quick hire, wait until you find the right man?? Does that mean that Gibbs was more involved in this process than we though?? And . . . does this mean that Gibbs GAVE HIS APPROVAL for this hire???

Yes, I think. Like Gibbs, Zorn is an Evangelical Christian who also spreads the Word when he can. The second I saw that tidbit about him in a google search, I assumed that this was a Gibbs hire. I think the two men have a great deal in common and I'll bet they even know each other pretty well. OTOH, Fassel might have a character issue or two.

[greatest2]

Lets see, who is the one guy they could hire who wouldn't turn them down... Ok, they also could have gone with Blache. :rolleyes:

all honesty, im not sure. the position wasnt offered to anyone else, so how do we know they would have turned it down. mora and spags pulled out before it being offered. maybe if it was offered in the interview they dont turn it down. i don't know, but i don't think its fair to say that nobody really wanted the job, at least in my opinion.

Blache, i thought i remember reading somewhere blache didn't want anymore responsibility and was actually looking to retire possibly, but that snyder gave him such a great offer that he couldn't refuse. i might be wrong but i thought i remember that

[smoak]

The Skins could have had Fassel or Mooch, I'm pretty sure. I like taking a chance on a new guy. Let me ask you this, who would you have preferred?

Zorn is great, and I am glad we avoided a disaster, but just b/c we arrived home safe after driving while completely hammered doesn't mean it was a smart call. The Dan and Vinny made this search out to be a coaching search and the perception is that we got turned down by a bunch of folks...

I was privately hoping that either Meeks, Zorn or Blache would get it, but no matter who was hired, we look like fools b/c of the process.

[redskin_rich]

i bet they told gibbs about the decision earlier then they announced it. put together a press statement and released it at a later time. Gibbs statements were good and thoughful, meaning he probably didn't do it on the spur of the moment. the comments were probably taken down by someone earlier in the day, they put it in the press release, and when the story breaks they let it go.
Yeah, you're probably right.


As far as QB coach, I still wish we had kept Lazor. It is ironic that he has gone to Seattle now. If they felt he was qualified to coach in their system, why didn't we feel the same way?

[PennSkinsFan]

Welcome once again to Washington Coach Zorn, we're glad to have ya! I like this signing over Mooch or Fassel. Three reasons. According to Shawn Springs, he is gonna bring a pretty action packed offense here to DC. Second, I like the youthful energy and enthusiasm he will bring to DC. Third, he is completely committed to developing Jason Campbell, good enough for me.

[Meatsnack]

As far as Offensive Coordinator/QB Coach guys out there, basically all of Denny Green's guys are either out of work or available for promotion:

Dennis Green - Who knows if Denny would want to go back to being an OC/Position coach. A lot of older coaches enjoy getting back more into teaching the game since it is what got them into coaching in the first place.

Brian Billick - I think of Billick as being to egotistical to go back to being a position coach but he might be an OC for a year or two.

Mike Tice - He is the Jags' Asstant Head Coach -Offense. He might be available for an OC job if it were offered.

Other randoms, Chucky's brother down in Tampa is an offenseive assistant. He most recently coached in the Arena League prior to Tampa.

The Packers don't seem to have any offensive assistants deeply steeped in the WCO.

The Eagles staff has two assistant who have been with the team since 1999: Tom Melvin (TEs) and David Culley (WRs).

[smoak]

all honesty, im not sure. the position wasnt offered to anyone else, so how do we know they would have turned it down. mora and spags pulled out before it being offered. maybe if it was offered in the interview they dont turn it down. i don't know, but i don't think its fair to say that nobody really wanted the job, at least in my opinion.

Blache, i thought i remember reading somewhere blache didn't want anymore responsibility and was actually looking to retire possibly, but that snyder gave him such a great offer that he couldn't refuse. i might be wrong but i thought i remember that

Oh I admit that I have no clue what has transpired, but I am talking about the PERCEPTION. We look like fools across the NFL and probably in our own lockerroom.

[greatest2]

Welcome once against to Washington Coach Zorn, we're glad to have ya! I like this signing over Mooch or Fassel. Three reasons. According to Shawn Springs, he is gonna bring a pretty action packed offense here to DC. Second, I like the youthful energy and enthusiasm he will bring to DC. Third, he is completely committed to developing Jason Campbell, good enough for me.

agree with all your points. just wondering how long it takes for his offense to get going. i mean, wasn't hassleback benched his second year or something. i know the west coast offense is mad hard, and i look forward to us when we master it, but i don't know if the FO will pull the rug out right before we are about to break out in year 3 or what will happen

[WarEagle]

I'm enjoying the landslide poll results! lol. I'm excited about this hire and look forward to the press conf on Sunday (I guess his family will be there, too).

Like WWD, I remember when Zorn was QB for the Seahawks. I recall that he was very popular (not just in Seattle). I think the reason was that he and receiver Steve Largent would always put on an amazing aerial show. Very fun to watch.

[redcayman]

Im shocked but excited. This could be a good thing for us and I think it shows Dan Snyder is growing. While it seemed to be an a@@backwards way of the hiring, he did seem to do his due diligence with this. He didn't opt to take someone he wasnt comfortable with ie G.W. or the flashy candidate ie.. Marriucci. He opted instead to try a new comer. All coaches had to get their start somehow, better Zorn than a college coach that has no NFL experience.

[CNYSkinFan]

Zorn is great, and I am glad we avoided a disaster, but just b/c we arrived home safe after driving while completely hammered doesn't mean it was a smart call. The Dan and Vinny made this search out to be a coaching search and the perception is that we got turned down by a bunch of folks...

I was privately hoping that either Meeks, Zorn or Blache would get it, but no matter who was hired, we look like fools b/c of the process.
yep...I agree with all of this.

[skin4ever]

So the new hires under Snyderato have been:

Zorn....no experience as OC or HC...and now he is both.

Palermo....out of football for a year, little nfl experience, last job at a glorifiec community college program...and he is the dl coach, the area most needing improvement.

Where's Akh and the bourbon?

You forgot, Blache at DC. We may have the most inexperienced group of coaches in the league, in terms of new coaching status. At this rate, screw the bourbon, we will need communion wine to get us through this. And lots of it.

Or maybe, just for you CSNY and maybe Keino, DS cared so much about fassel that he didnt want to give him this opportunity so that he wouldnt face a chance of failure. Like they say, If i cant beat you, i will join you.LOL.

but at least they made a decision and we can get on with our offseason. SKINS TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL.

[skins111111]

YES YES YES I was so scared Fassel was going to get the job

[greatest2]

Oh I admit that I have no clue what has transpired, but I am talking about the PERCEPTION. We look like fools across the NFL and probably in our own lockerroom.

agreed. our perception has definitly taken a hit, but that can all turnaround with a New orleans Saints year

[greatest2]

YES YES YES I was so scared Fassel was going to get the job

my first thoughts

[CNYSkinFan]

You forgot, Blache at DC. We may have the most inexperienced group of coaches in the league, in terms of new coaching status. At this rate, screw the bourbon, we will need communion wine to get us through this. And lots of it.

Or maybe, just for you CSNY and maybe Keino, DS cared so much about fassel that he didnt want to give him this opportunity so that he wouldnt face a chance of failure. Like they say, If i cant beat you, i will join you.LOL.

but at least they made a decision and we can get on with our offseason. SKINS TO WIN THE SUPERBOWL.
Actually Blatche was not a new hire...he was a promotion, that is why I did not include him...

Ironically Zorn is both in less then two eweeks.

And really, that comeback needs alot of work.

[skin4ever]

Actually Blatche was not a new hire...he was a promotion, that is why I did not include him...

Ironically Zorn is both in less then two eweeks.

And really, that comeback needs alot of work.

Comeback? i thought you would get a kick out of it. Oh well.

did anyone catch Gibbs remarks in the espn article. That man can spin gold from twine. He was talking about how the skins kept their continuity with all these hires and moves. BUt from the article, well this guy seems positive and ready, so lets support him. Also, he said he is going to retool the Offense to match his WCO. SO looks like Campbell better learn to get the ball out quickly and throw the ball ahead of his receivers on those slants and ins.

[skins111111]

I think that we may not hire a OC! I think that Zorn is going to be the OC/HC... What good would it be to hire an OC when you have Zorn who is offensive minded...Just a thought!


I agree, and was kinda stumped wondering why so many others were thinking he would give up the reins just because he is head Coach-----(Dan and Vinny will be calling a lot of the HCs shots anyway( OOOOPs did I say that out loud???:)

[Red Bear]

so your ideal message board banter would be this

"Hey the Redskins are great"

"I agree"

ok well...prepare to be made sick for along time

ive been posting here long enough for you to know thats not the case. dont take my post and twist it into something its not, i dont even know how you can infer what you did from what i said. you couldnt be further off base. but the way many people portrayed the coaching search as the end of the world was a bit extreme.

[skins111111]

too many hats to be QB coach, OC, HC

he will need at least one guy he trusts under him


or above him...........Dan, Vinny and I bet Gibbs was in on this decision.

[SkinsGuru]

When did Gibbs make these comments? He is at Daytona right now with a headset on. Are we sure these aren't older recycled comments, because I watched an interview with him a couple hours ago from Daytona and he had nothing to say on the topic, other than he believes it was time to leave the Skins. When the news broke about Zorn, Gibbs was not around to be interviewed, I can assure you all of that, unless he did a quick cell phone call.

"Those guys have been around," Gibbs said from the garage area at Daytona International Speedway, where his team was preparing to compete in Saturday night's Budweiser Shootout exhibition race. "So what they did is continuity-wise, they kept the coaching staff and the support group and the training group and everybody, so he's in a real solid [situation]."

Source (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3238678)

[oldskinfan]

My gut said Fassell would be a disaster - I just can't see him and Snyderato working out.

My heart told me Meeks deserved a shot.

My head tells me if it's really true that folks around the league thought highly of Zorn, I saw why not. If you look at Matt Hasselbeck as his "Chef D'Oeuvre", for the last 5 years he has a rating of 87.5, 61% completion percentage, 3400 yds, 24 TDs, 13 INTs. And I think JC has more pure talent than Hasselbeck. If you told me these would be JC's #'s the next 5 years, and throw in 300 yds rushing and 2 TDs, I'll take it.

Plus he has some room to pick an OC / QB coach he can work with and he pretty much leaves the D to Blache and ST's to Danny Smith. Buges coaches O-line (glorified title and all). Breaux and Burns are gone (thank goodness!).

We might actually be LESS dysfunctional now.

[Biggie]

:imshock:

I just got back after a few hours out, so I just saw this. I mean, this is insane, but this could work out. Congrats to Zorn.

[greatest2]

5 year, 15 mil deal. just reported by mort

[redskin_rich]

Source (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3238678)

Thank you. Obviously, Joe was made aware of the decision then and this should put to rest any of the talk that Gibbs went "off into the sunset" without any care or input.

[WarEagle]

Here's a dozen Zorn photos from the Seattle paper today. Very nice. I think they're proud of him, but they haven't come out and said it yet. ;)

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/photogalleries/seahawks2004174344/1.html

[hail2skins]

Zorn is great, and I am glad we avoided a disaster, but just b/c we arrived home safe after driving while completely hammered doesn't mean it was a smart call. The Dan and Vinny made this search out to be a coaching search and the perception is that we got turned down by a bunch of folks...

I was privately hoping that either Meeks, Zorn or Blache would get it, but no matter who was hired, we look like fools b/c of the process.You just said it, the PERCEPTION is that we got turned down. That was the media speculating. There's an article with Snyder on Redskins.com and at the end they talk to Vinny who said no other candidates were offered the job like it was reported. Candidates removing their name from consideration doesn't equate to turning down an offer.

I do think they handled it badly but in other terms (Gregg Williams and the rest of the coaching staff).

[BandWagon]

Here's why...not a single one of the publicly known candidates really thrilled me. I was on the Mooch bandwagon primarily because he has good hair. So in a field of mediocrity, why not go bold? I just heard Andy Reid went from QB coach to head coach. Maybe they really liked what they saw in Zorn and moreso as the process went further forward....kinda kept coming back to him "nah we can't do that he's never even been a coordinator before....but darn we like him..."

[RedskinRyan]

I'm one of 64 voters so far, and one of the four who voted their disapproval.

There's been nothing of Seattle players saying they didn't want to see Zorn leave, and this is our new head coach? I want to know how it came to this.

[FootballFan703]

just posted on NFl.com

"I've always dreamed of being a head coach with a franchise rich in tradition like the Redskins," Zorn said in a team news release. "As a player who had to fight Redskins teams at RFK as well as at our home field, I know about the history of this franchise as well as the passion of its fans. I won't let you down."



http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80699cf6&template=with-video&confirm=true

What the hell, give him a shot.

I'm happy to see that the search is over. It is absolutely shocking. I didn't see this coming. It's quite something to be hired as an offensive coordinator, and then about 2 weeks later he is hired as the head coach. I totally love this hire. Besides his background, I love what he said about the team and fans. I give him a chance. This piece of news definitely puts me in a great mood. It feels great to be a Redskins fan. I'm more than excited about next season from what has transpired.

[hail2skins]

Here's why...not a single one of the publicly known candidates really thrilled me. I was on the Mooch bandwagon primarily because he has good hair. So in a field of mediocrity, why not go bold? I just heard Andy Reid went from QB coach to head coach. Maybe they really liked what they saw in Zorn and moreso as the process went further forward....kinda kept coming back to him "nah we can't do that he's never even been a coordinator before....but darn we like him...""Here's why" what?

[lorimike]

Dan Snyder is evolving into a good owner. This hire indicates that perhaps he realizes he does not need to make huge offseason headlines to suceeed. The hiring of Jim Zorn will do this franchise proud. I am very optomistic about our season next year.
http://draftguru.googlepages.com/home

[Mangini`s Jets]

Thats gotta suck Skins fans!!! Good luck with quarter backs coach Jim Zorn:thinker:!!!!

[hail2skins]

I'm one of 64 voters so far, and one of the four who voted their disapproval.

There's been nothing of Seattle players saying they didn't want to see Zorn leave, and this is our new head coach? I want to know how it came to this.Why do players have to say they don't want to see some coach leave for you. I don't understand this at all. Because none of the Seattle Seahawks stated they didn't want him to leave, you feel he isn't a good coach?

[Mangini`s Jets]

Dan Snyder is evolving into a good owner. This hire indicates that perhaps he realizes he does not need to make huge offseason headlines to suceeed. The hiring of Jim Zorn will do this franchise proud. I am very optomistic about our season next year.
http://draftguru.googlepages.com/home
:lol3: and i thought we had it bad in Jetland!!!

[hail2skins]

Thats gotta suck Skins fans!!! Good luck with quarter backs coach Jim Zorn:thinker:!!!!You wanna explain why its gotta suck? Making that statement and not justifying it doesn't work here.

[hail2skins]

:lol3: and i thought we had it bad in Jetland!!!YOu wanna start contributing and not just dropping one-liners?

[redskin_rich]

Thats gotta suck Skins fans!!! Good luck with quarter backs coach Jim Zorn:thinker:!!!!

LMAO! Have you ever bothered to look at your coaches resume?

[Mangini`s Jets]

YOu wanna start contributing and not just dropping one-liners? Sorry guys, i feel your Pain but, wouldnt you feel a lil more at ease with Fassell being your HC?. Dunno what to say other than i`d be pissed with this hireing. A QB coach? DAM!!

[CNYSkinFan]

You just said it, the PERCEPTION is that we got turned down. That was the media speculating. There's an article with Snyder on Redskins.com and at the end they talk to Vinny who said no other candidates were offered the job like it was reported. Candidates removing their name from consideration doesn't equate to turning down an offer.

I do think they handled it badly but in other terms (Gregg Williams and the rest of the coaching staff).

They may not have actually offered the job to anyone (except for Ironically Fassel who has to actually feel like the rug has been taken out from under him 20 times)

But Cowher knew the job was his and decided to stay retired.

Carroll knew the job was his but decided not to pursue it.

Mora knew the job was his but decided to stay in Seattle.

Spags knew the job was his but decided to stay in NY.

Now I don't believe that Snyder for a second actually made the offer...but a good executive never makes an offer unless he knows the guy would take it. He just would let the person know an offer could come and if they wanted to pull out now, they should. Spags and Mora did just that IMO.

[Mangini`s Jets]

LMAO! Have you ever bothered to look at your coaches resume?You know what. Atleast Mangini picked his own personel. Why the heck is ole Dannyboy hireing all the OC`s and DC`s ? Thats crap. you hire a coach to hire personell to implement the system that you want. You cant just hire a OC and a DC and say here you go coach.

[wide_awake]

r u effing kidding me...

So he is qb coach, oc, and hc?

Someone wake me from this nightmare

r u effing kidding me?

i bet you would have been strongly against the original gibbs hire eh?

[CNYSkinFan]

r u effing kidding me?

i bet you would have been strongly against the original gibbs hire eh?
My surprise is more on why we waited so long to make this move. The fact that we hired Zorn two weeks ago as OC and promote him to HC because we can't find anyone better.

Zorn may be great, he may end up being Lane Kiffen. No one knows yet.

But the fact that this process was completely screwed up.

[rskinsfan10]

You know what. Atleast Mangini picked his own personel. Why the heck is ole Dannyboy hireing all the OC`s and DC`s ? Thats crap. you hire a coach to hire personell to implement the system that you want. You cant just hire a OC and a DC and say here you go coach.Who said Zorn wasn't going to be able to pick his own OC?

[wide_awake]

Thats gotta suck Skins fans!!! Good luck with quarter backs coach Jim Zorn:thinker:!!!!

Piss off.....how'd your J-E-T-S GAY GAY GAY do last year?

[Mangini`s Jets]

Who said Zorn wasn't going to be able to pick his own OC?True.. but who is out there?

[skinfanjon]

First of all, I was surprised like everyone else, but I really do like this hire. The decision of OC will be huge, but honestly, I trust Zorn to bring someone capable into the fold. Why? Admittedly, I don't really know the man, but he's just won the lottery. The man is gonna do everything he can not to screw it up. No ego (lookin at you Gregggggggg), no cute philosophies (ahem, Al), no stuck in the mud nostalgic traditions (sorry Joe). Just plain old do anything to win football from a bright, young man. I didn't see the guy play, but from everything I've inferred he seems to have been a blue-collar grinder who came to work everyday and did the best he could. I want someone to bring that same effort to the position of HC, and I think he's the guy to do it.

Secondly, I could give a crap about perception. I care about results. I certainly don't care about the feelings of grown men who a) have been out of coaching for several seasons or b) were let go from our team and now have new jobs. Why are we so concerned what everyone else thinks? We say all he time how we like to be under the radar....well, here ya go. Why did we owe Al or Gregg anything more than they got? Were they not compensated (handsomely) for their time here? This is a business folks, Snyder has one job- to make this team the best it can be. If he has to piss off a few people who won't be connected to this team in the future to accomplish that task, then so be it.

Personally, I prefer the way we went about this as opposed to hiring a guy the first week. What's so bad about being thorough? They didn't really miss anything, plus Zorn has already been here for a couple weeks now. I'm gonna throw some kudos Snyder's way, we didn't settle, were rolling the dice, and lets see where it takes us. Nice job guys.

[wide_awake]

My surprise is more on why we waited so long to make this move. The fact that we hired Zorn two weeks ago as OC and promote him to HC because we can't find anyone better.

Zorn may be great, he may end up being Lane Kiffen. No one knows yet.

But the fact that this process was completely screwed up.

I agree, but a nightmare is Fassell and zorn is a question mark.

[skinfanjon]

Sorry guys, i feel your Pain but, wouldnt you feel a lil more at ease with Fassell being your HC?. Dunno what to say other than i`d be pissed with this hireing. A QB coach? DAM!!

Please disregard my previous post, the Jets fan with a freaking Giants avatar has spoken and this is a horrible move. :rolleyes:

Why don't you go back to trolling Patriot boards?

[AGibbsGirl]

what i love the most is how under the radar this move was. i mean, this wasn't even in any internet rumors, unless joedaschmoe has some inside connections that nobody knows about, lol.

Haven't read all 8 pages yet so not sure if someone already posted this...but the other day I was watching the 4:00 news and it must have been a slow news day because the sports team were busting their camera guy for getting the "hot" story of Zorn parking in what used to be Gibbs parking space at Redskins park. They showed Zorn getting into the car (or out, I don't remember) with a big box under his armThey all had a good laugh about it, saying how there weren't any other spaces available...and oh it's the off season so he can park wherever...

But heck...now I'm seriously beginning to wonder if they didn't actually have a huge scoop there and didn't know it... ~shrug~

[WarEagle]

I'm one of 64 voters so far, and one of the four who voted their disapproval.

There's been nothing of Seattle players saying they didn't want to see Zorn leave, and this is our new head coach? I want to know how it came to this.

You mean the Seattle quarterbacks, I suppose. I'm not even sure if Haselbeck was asked about Zorn's move last month. Maybe he was on vacation and unavailable for comment. After the final game of the season, the players usually scatter pretty fast. From what I know, Zorn is a living legend in Seattle.

[CNYSkinFan]

I agree, but a nightmare is Fassell and zorn is a question mark.
i was never happy that fassel would be the choice. I wanted him over Williams, but only slightly.

I like Zorn for some of the same reasons I liked Spags. I am worried that Zorn has not even been a coord before and thyat Snyderatto only settled on Zorn and will toss him aside with a losing season next year.

We shall see.

[wide_awake]

Please disregard my previous post, the Jets fan with a freaking Giants avatar has spoken and this is a horrible move. :rolleyes:

Why don't you go back to trolling Patriot boards?

hahaha!


I just saw his avatar, that's classic right there.

Worthless in every sense of the word.

[skinfanjon]

You mean the Seattle quarterbacks, I suppose. I'm not even sure if Haselbeck was asked about Zorn's move last month. Maybe he was on vacation and unavailable for comment. After the final game of the season, the players usually scatter pretty fast. From what I know, Zorn is a living legend in Seattle.

Actually, he was, and he said "Washington is getting one heck of a coach". I can't remember where I saw that but I know I did, probably JLC's blog.

[rskinsfan10]

True.. but who is out there?Why exactly does it have to be someone with sparkles beside his name? Just because there isn't a big name out there doesn't mean that there isn't a very capable and deserving prospect. All the big names had to start from somewhere.

[CNYSkinFan]

Haven't read all 8 pages yet so not sure if someone already posted this...but the other day I was watching the 4:00 news and it must have been a slow news day because the sports team were busting their camera guy for getting the "hot" story of Zorn parking in what used to be Gibbs parking space at Redskins park. They showed Zorn getting into the car (or out, I don't remember) with a big box under his armThey all had a good laugh about it, saying how there weren't any other spaces available...and oh it's the off season so he can park wherever...

But heck...now I'm seriously beginning to wonder if they didn't actually have a huge scoop there and didn't know it... ~shrug~
some editor is getting fired right now lol

[Rogers_Redskins]

I like the move. It isn't the whale I expected Danny Boy to hire. He went with a coach with no previous HC experience. I am really looking forward to next season.

[GibbsFan]

Sorry guys, i feel your Pain but, wouldnt you feel a lil more at ease with Fassell being your HC?. Dunno what to say other than i`d be pissed with this hireing. A QB coach? DAM!!

Believe it or not I'm happy with Zorn. Fassell was the one guy I could not stand the thought of as HC

[Mangini`s Jets]

hahaha!


I just saw his avatar, that's classic right there.

Worthless in every sense of the word.Hate the Pats* more cuz i live in Mass as a Jets fan. I know the Giants are rivals of the Skins and Jets but ,WTF man, no way does the Pats* get any love from me Kiddo.

[WarEagle]

Actually, he was, and he said "Washington is getting one heck of a coach". I can't remember where I saw that but I know I did, probably JLC's blog.

Thanks. And that rings a bell. It sure does.

[skinfanjon]

some editor is getting fired right now lol

No kidding, that was a big scoop. Should have invited some speculation at the least.

CNY- why are you so upset by this process? I don't see how what we did was so absurd. Unorthodox, yeah, but I really don't understand the complaints. Is it because we were all in the dark for so long?

[Mangini`s Jets]

Believe it or not I'm happy with Zorn. Fassell was the one guy I could not stand the thought of as HCFair enough!! Just would of thought that the fact that Fassell had some expeirience at the HC position you would feel a lil more safe with that. Whats Zorn gunna do? Have Campbell and Collins sliding on tarps?:sun:

[PennSkinsFan]

Fair enough!! Just would of thought that the fact that Fassell had some expeirience at the HC position you would feel a lil more safe with that. Whats Zorn gunna do? Have Campbell and Collins sliding on tarps?:sun:Because your QB spot in New York is so stable :confused:. Did you make the playoffs? Wait, ummm, Nope you didn't.

[skinfanjon]

Hate the Pats* more cuz i live in Mass as a Jets fan. I know the Giants are rivals of the Skins and Jets but ,WTF man, no way does the Pats* get any love from me Kiddo.

I said trolling, kiddo, that means doing the same thing you are doing here.

[akhhorus]

Zorn is a true offensive guru, but I'm very concerned that he's going from QB coach to head coach/OC/QB coach.

[skinfanjon]

Fair enough!! Just would of thought that the fact that Fassell had some expeirience at the HC position you would feel a lil more safe with that. Whats Zorn gunna do? Have Campbell and Collins sliding on tarps?:sun:

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You just changed your avatar because I called you out HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[PennSkinsFan]

I said trolling, kiddo, that means doing the same thing you are doing here.
Which with me on he forum now, grows old real quick. I'll let ya know when it is time to say bye bye to him

[CNYSkinFan]

No kidding, that was a big scoop. Should have invited some speculation at the least.

CNY- why are you so upset by this process? I don't see how what we did was so absurd. Unorthodox, yeah, but I really don't understand the complaints. Is it because we were all in the dark for so long?
It is because Snyderrato was probably in the dark just as long as us.

Look a 1 month wait is absurd in the NFL, just absuyrd. When Oakland had the same deal two years ago we all mercilessly ripped into them and rightfully so.

It is one thing to wait to get an assistant from a superbowl team, but we could not close that deal.

Believe Redskins.com if you want but we WERE turned down several times throughout the process.

And if you throw in hiring all the assistants before the HC, and one of those hires eventually became the OC...

We look like amateurs, and most likely because we are.

[akhhorus]

Hate the Pats* more cuz i live in Mass as a Jets fan. I know the Giants are rivals of the Skins and Jets but ,WTF man, no way does the Pats* get any love from me Kiddo.

You know, since Mangini was caught setting up illegal cameras, maybe they should have an asterix next to y'all 4 wins ;)

[VegasSkinsFan]

Welcome Coach Zorn. GO SKINS !!!!!!!!!

[Mangini`s Jets]

Because your QB spot in New York is so stable :confused:. Did you make the playoffs? Wait, ummm, Nope you didn't.Everything is all even right now 0-0. The Giants are the World Champs and, i`m not happy to say that but, then again the Pats* are in the Jets division. What does the Jets have to do with the coach Dannyboy hired? Just because i`m a Jets fan means i cant post what i think? I think Mangini is over his head if thats what you tryin to get at i would be the first to critisize my team and all coaching desitions that Eric and Mike make. All i`m stating is that i would be pissed if my team hired a coach like that. Thats all. I`m trying not to be a troll guys.

[skinfanjon]

It is because Snyderrato was probably in the dark just as long as us.

Look a 1 month wait is absurd in the NFL, just absuyrd. When Oakland had the same deal two years ago we all mercilessly ripped into them and rightfully so.

It is one thing to wait to get an assistant from a superbowl team, but we could not close that deal.

Believe Redskins.com if you want but we WERE turned down several times throughout the process.

And if you throw in hiring all the assistants before the HC, and one of those hires eventually became the OC...

We look like amateurs, and most likely because we are.

Ease up man, I am no lemming. I don't need Redskins.com to tell me what to think.

Frankly, we don't know what happened during those meetings, pretending that we do is proposperous. All we know is, Gibbs retired unexpectedly, Snyder said we were going to conduct a very thorough search and excersice patience, eventually we were told that a Super Bowl coach was a candidate and we were waiting to inteview them, an now we have our guy. Draw conclusions if you must, but if you do you have to admit it is just as likely that they are wrong as it is they are correct. Honestly, I think the opinion (hatred where warrented) of Snyder is skewing everyone's viewpoint on this.

And I don't care how we look. I care about winning (not that you don't)

[BostonSkins]

Everyone cool out. COOL OUT!

Give the man a chance

[smoak]

You know, since Mangini was caught setting up illegal cameras, maybe they should have an asterix next to y'all 4 wins ;)

So you are coming around to it be cheating. ;)

(You know I'm kidding and not trying to highjack a thread)

[Mangini`s Jets]

You know, since Mangini was caught setting up illegal cameras, maybe they should have an asterix next to y'all 4 wins ;)
Your trying to give an asteresk to a team thats a figgin joke like the Jets is a joke!! 1st of all they share a stadium with the Gints. Even if the Jets did try to cheat like you said then they suck at it. dunno what to tell yah kid. The Jets never got caught or fined for cheating. Just cuz your a fan of a team doesnt mean you cant critisize against them ,thats what we have message boards for.

[AGibbsGirl]

Sorry guys, i feel your Pain but, wouldnt you feel a lil more at ease with Fassell being your HC?. Dunno what to say other than i`d be pissed with this hireing. A QB coach? DAM!!

Strange post considering the entire content of the 4 pages preceding this one talked about how happy we were NOT to be getting Fassell...and how most of us liked the idea of this hire....probably should read the entire thread, get the feel for the forum and topic at hand and then post...might have saved you

[CNYSkinFan]

Ease up man, I am no lemming. I don't need Redskins.com to tell me what to think.

Frankly, we don't know what happened during those meetings, pretending that we do is proposperous. All we know is, Gibbs retired unexpectedly, Snyder said we were going to conduct a very thorough search and excersice patience, eventually we were told that a Super Bowl coach was a candidate and we were waiting to inteview them, an now we have our guy. Draw conclusions if you must, but if you do you have to admit it is just as likely that they are wrong as it is they are correct. Honestly, I think the opinion (hatred where warrented) of Snyder is skewing everyone's viewpoint on this.

And I don't care how we look. I care about winning (not that you don't)
and how much of that have we done under Snyder?

but I find your version of events a little pollyannaish.

If you really believe that Snyder did not want Cowher, Carroll, Mora, and Spags and was rejected before he could make an offer so the team would save face fine. I just don't think it makes any logical sense.

This is the longest coaching search a team has gone through in the last 5 years that I can remember, and I would hesitate one of the longest In a large time. And then we hired a guy we already had on staff.

Sorry it's not like they tripped one day in the hall and suddenly remembered that they really liked Zorn. I am saying that they were unimpressed with Mooch, Meeks, and Fassel for some reason and being rejected by Spags, Mora, Cowher, and Carroll they settled on Zorn.

Is it my opinion...yeah, but it is also logical, and you have to admit you can't disprove it with anything that is not pr fluff from the Redskins.

[CNYSkinFan]

Everyone cool out. COOL OUT!

Give the man a chance
let me be clear, I will give XZorn many many chances to right this shipo....

But Synderrato and the reputation of our once proud franchise is at a level I thought I would never see.

[smoak]

You just said it, the PERCEPTION is that we got turned down. That was the media speculating. There's an article with Snyder on Redskins.com and at the end they talk to Vinny who said no other candidates were offered the job like it was reported. Candidates removing their name from consideration doesn't equate to turning down an offer.

I do think they handled it badly but in other terms (Gregg Williams and the rest of the coaching staff).


That is why I put "perception" in bold. I don't think the media speculation is any more accurate than us assuming the candidates weren/t offfered the position. Remember it seemed that they had terms in place with Fassell... That was widely reported. It'll be interesting to see if he makes a comment to the media as one article reported a "source" close to him was quoted saying that Jim felt manipulated. Also, I agree we really strung GW along IMO. Hate or love him, nobody deserves to get pulled through the cleaner like that. He has been here FOUR years and you need four interviews to fire him??? I'd be livid.

Again, I am pleasantly surprised with Zorn, but IMO we look like idiots. Pure idiots. Again I don't know what transpired, but it looks like we couldn't pay people to take this job.

[akhhorus]

So you are coming around to it be cheating. ;)

(You know I'm kidding and not trying to highjack a thread)

I know lol.

You trying to give an asteresk to a team thats a figgin joke like the Jets is a joke!! 1st of all they share a stadium with the Gints.

What? That doesn't matter.

Even if the Jets did try to cheat like you said then they suck at it. dunno what to tell yah kid. The Jets never got caught or fined for cheating.

You're right, the NFL decided it wasn't a big deal. Still is cheating.

Just cuz your a fan of a team doesnt mean you cant critisize against them ,thats what we have message boards for.

Habla ingles?

[Mangini`s Jets]

Strange post considering the entire content of the 4 pages preceding this one talked about how happy we were NOT to be getting Fassell...and how most of us liked the idea of this hire....probably should read the entire thread, get the feel for the forum and topic at hand and then post...might have saved you i read all the posts. I was Just giving MY opinion dude.

[akhhorus]

i read all the posts. I was Just giving MY opinion dude.

You can drop the attitude.

[smoak]

i read all the posts. I was Just giving MY opinion dude.

My opinion is that you should show a little more class and respect when you're in someone's house.

All that aside, I really question your football knowledge?? Just b/c YOU don't know a name doesn't mean it isn't known and respected around the NFL.

[Mangini`s Jets]

You're right, the NFL decided it wasn't a big deal. Still is cheating.

So the pats are cheaters in you eyes then. Cool

[akhhorus]

My opinion is that you should show a little more class and respect when you're in someone's house.

And a little more reading ability since AGG's screen name is AGibbsGirl lmao

[akhhorus]

You're right, the NFL decided it wasn't a big deal. Still is cheating.

So the pats are cheaters in you eyes then. Cool

You're the one putting "*" after each reference to the Pats(except in this post), when the Jets were caught doing the same thing. Its like a heroin addict being judgmental of a coke addict lol.

[smoak]

And a little more reading ability since AGG's screen name is AGibbsGirl lmao

Now you're just being unreasonable. We are talking Jets fan here...

:jetsuk:

[VegasSkinsFan]

I like the fact that we are going with something brand new. I enjoyed Zorn as a player and only hope that he coaches with the passion he brought as a player. Let him bring in his own OC ( smith ) . This cant be any worse than the norv/spurrier years. This team can be turned around and fairly rebuilt in 2 years. GO SKINS !!!!!!!

[redskin_rich]

I will vouch for Mangini's Jets and say that he is not a troll. He has been a member here for a while and until tonight I really can't say I remember him ever dissing our team. He has been a member of our hR NASCAR league and that is the only place I remember ever seeing him comment.
Anyway, he is welcome to offer his opinion, just like anybody else. I personally like this decision but I am a bit disappointed with the overwhelming support of it, as reflected in the poll. I welcome any good argument against it.

It is because Snyderrato was probably in the dark just as long as us.

Look a 1 month wait is absurd in the NFL, just absuyrd. When Oakland had the same deal two years ago we all mercilessly ripped into them and rightfully so.

It is one thing to wait to get an assistant from a superbowl team, but we could not close that deal.

Believe Redskins.com if you want but we WERE turned down several times throughout the process.

And if you throw in hiring all the assistants before the HC, and one of those hires eventually became the OC...

We look like amateurs, and most likely because we are.I am with you all the way, in that this process took way too long and it was obvious that indecision was a huge problem but I like this decision because it is such a gamble. It also shows that despite the indecision that went on with the process, Snyder was willing to make a pick that wasn't safe or insulating to himself and Vinny. This was not a pick that the fans wanted, nor was it a safe pick of a proven candidate. This is a gamble and the same goes for Zorn. He has to prove himself. He has no pre-built appreciation from this fanbase, he will solely be judged on what he accomplishes.

How can you not love that?

My only concern is that Snyderatto does not have the necessary patience with him.

[GibbsFan]

I'm very happy just to have the whole mess over with. Will Zorn work out? No one can say for sure, but its a fresh start and some new ideas for the offensive side of the ball. On D we have enough if we replace Daniels and add a CB and LB. HTTR :jetsuk:

[Mangini`s Jets]

My opinion is that you should show a little more class and respect when you're in someone's house.

All that aside, I really question your football knowledge?? Just b/c YOU don't know a name doesn't mean it isn't known and respected around the NFL.

Sorry i wasnt trying to insult anyone or any of you guys. Let me put it to you this way. MY old man has been a Skins fan since i was a kid and for some NFC reason i am too(but i cant admit it). I`m not happy with this hire and i hope i`m wrong about it.

[AGibbsGirl]

i read all the posts. I was Just giving MY opinion dude.

Good Lord! Never been mistaken for a Dude before...

[smoak]

Sorry i wasnt trying to insult anyone or any of you guys. Let me put it to you this way. MY old man has been a Skins fan since i was a kid and for some NFC reason i am too(but i cant admit it). I`m not happy with this hire and i hope i`m wrong about it.

Fair. I'm ok with you trashing the hire... Just do with a little more respect to folks that we here see as family.

Had we just hired Zorn three weeks ago to be the head coach, I'd be great with this move. The circus that took place really annoys me.

[AGibbsGirl]

Sorry i wasnt trying to insult anyone or any of you guys. Let me put it to you this way. MY old man has been a Skins fan since i was a kid and for some NFC reason i am too(but i cant admit it). I`m not happy with this hire and i hope i`m wrong about it.

Ok, look, you've seemed to have gotten back on track IMO and are trying to be better in your posts. I think if you're careful in how you say your opinion, people here will respect it...we're all a little hyped up right now...Mom may even have to bring out the rolling pin, just in case....

And please...I'm the only one here that gets away with calling these guys "kiddo"

[VegasSkinsFan]

I'm very happy just to have the whole mess over with. Will Zorn work out? No one can say for sure, but its a fresh start and some new ideas for the offensive side of the ball. On D we have enough if we replace Daniels and add a CB and LB. HTTR :jetsuk:

CB and LB can be picked up in FA and then use the draft to rebuild the lines. GO SKINS !!!!!!!

[BandWagon]

"Here's why" what?

Oops....."I voted yes...."

[AGibbsGirl]

Oopps, looks like smoak said the same thing I just did...anyway...

[EddieAlbania]

"I've always dreamed of being a head coach with a franchise rich in tradition like the Redskins," Zorn said in a statement released by the team. "As a player who had to fight Redskins teams at RFK as well as at our home field, I know about the history of this franchise as well as the passion of its fans. I won't let you down."

As a kid, I loved watching Zorn play for the Sehawks. I will admit, he was not my first choice, and I'm concerned about is experience. However, he's worked for several years under Holmgren, and he may be what the doctor ordered for Jason Campbell.

I won't hold the fact that he once played for the Cowboys against him.

[CNYSkinFan]

I will vouch for Mangini's Jets and say that he is not a troll. He has been a member here for a while and until tonight I really can't say I remember him ever dissing our team. He has been a member of our hR NASCAR league and that is the only place I remember ever seeing him comment.
Anyway, he is welcome to offer his opinion, just like anybody else. I personally like this decision but I am a bit disappointed with the overwhelming support of it, as reflected in the poll. I welcome any good argument against it.

I am with you all the way, in that this process took way too long and it was obvious that indecision was a huge problem but I like this decision because it is such a gamble. It also shows that despite the indecision that went on with the process, Snyder was willing to make a pick that wasn't safe or insulating to himself and Vinny. This was not a pick that the fans wanted, nor was it a safe pick of a proven candidate. This is a gamble and the same goes for Zorn. He has to prove himself. He has no pre-built appreciation from this fanbase, he will solely be judged on what he accomplishes.

How can you not love that?

My only concern is that Snyderatto does not have the necessary patience with him.
I agree, for the first time in the Snyder era we get a true clean slate who will be judged on wins.

But your last point is something I am desperately woried about. If we settled on Zorn, then one bad season and Snyderrato will be looking for another big name. I hope that is not the case but as I said, I dare not hope with this franchise

[Mangini`s Jets]

Fair. I'm ok with you trashing the hire... Just do with a little more respect to folks that we here see as family.

Had we just hired Zorn three weeks ago to be the head coach, I'd be great with this move. The circus that took place really annoys me. sorry my bad. i wont disrespect you guys no more. i got a lil out of controll (beer and watching racing tonite, yeah Dale Jr). Good luck with the hire guys. Like i said i feel your pain. Its just that Danny is an unpredictable guy and i dont understand his thinking.

[smoak]

I won't hold the fact that he once played for the Cowboys against him.

??? Not according to the stats I just checked?

I've ALWAYS said that I love marginally talented players as coaches, and while I don't remember Zorn really, he only had one year that I would call "good" statistically speaking. I'm guessing he fits my mold. :D

[Mangini`s Jets]

Ok, look, you've seemed to have gotten back on track IMO and are trying to be better in your posts. I think if you're careful in how you say your opinion, people here will respect it...we're all a little hyped up right now...Mom may even have to bring out the rolling pin, just in case....

And please...I'm the only one here that gets away with calling these guys "kiddo"
Ok :bsmile:

[AGibbsGirl]

sorry my bad. i wont disrespect you guys no more. i got a lil out of controll (beer and watching racing tonite, yeah Dale Jr). Good luck with the hire guys. Like i said i feel your pain. Its just that Danny is an unpredictable guy and i dont understand his thinking.

Dude! Explain this pain you think we're all feeling?...other then being frustrated with Snyder...and really what else is new?...I thought the general consensus was that this was a good hire?

[GibbsFan]

Sorry i wasnt trying to insult anyone or any of you guys. Let me put it to you this way. MY old man has been a Skins fan since i was a kid and for some NFC reason i am too(but i cant admit it). I`m not happy with this hire and i hope i`m wrong about it.
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I don't think there are any Redskin fans who are ecstatic about the hire. The way the process was handled kinda confirms what most people have come to expect outta of DS. The good news is Vinny and DS have now where to hide if this does not pan out. However, the offense could improve with this hire, and I think the D can be decent for a year or 2. and if it does not maybe Snyder will finally realize he needs to hire a real fb man and just back off the way JKC did.

Just because the guy is/was a QB coach does not mean he can't be successful as HC, I just hope we don't try to go wild in FA, just add some depth and competition for PT.

[smoak]

sorry my bad. i wont disrespect you guys no more. i got a lil out of controll (beer and watching racing tonite, yeah Dale Jr). Good luck with the hire guys. Like i said i feel your pain. Its just that Danny is an unpredictable guy and i dont understand his thinking.

Nobody will truly know what went on in this coaching search b/c it was so hush/hush... But I understand the average NFL fan thinking that Danny was rejected by Mora, Spags, Cowher, Pete Carroll, and everyone this side of Santa Claus...

But the reality is we don't know and I am looking forward to hearing them spin it tomorrow at 3:00.

[smoak]

I don't think there are any Redskin fans who are ecstatic about the hire. The way the process was handled kinda confirms what most people have come to expect outta of DS. The good news is Vinny and DS have now where to hide if this does not pan out. However, the offense could improve with this hire, and I think the D can be decent for a year or 2. and if it does not maybe Snyder will finally realize he needs to hire a real fb man and just back off the way JKC did.

Just because the guy is/was a QB coach does not mean he can't be successful as HC, I just hope we don't try to go wild in FA, just add some depth and competition for PT.

Andy Reid.

[AGibbsGirl]

Ok it's way past my bedtime, but here's the big question always for me.

Is this a good move from a Player's stand point?

One of the round table guys on Comcast (I think) was asking this question:

"When Zorn needs to get in the Player's faces (to correct them) are they going to respect a guy with no experience at this higher level of Coaching?"

I thought that was a fair question....

[skinfanjon]

and how much of that have we done under Snyder?

but I find your version of events a little pollyannaish.

If you really believe that Snyder did not want Cowher, Carroll, Mora, and Spags and was rejected before he could make an offer so the team would save face fine. I just don't think it makes any logical sense.

This is the longest coaching search a team has gone through in the last 5 years that I can remember, and I would hesitate one of the longest In a large time. And then we hired a guy we already had on staff.

Sorry it's not like they tripped one day in the hall and suddenly remembered that they really liked Zorn. I am saying that they were unimpressed with Mooch, Meeks, and Fassel for some reason and being rejected by Spags, Mora, Cowher, and Carroll they settled on Zorn.

Is it my opinion...yeah, but it is also logical, and you have to admit you can't disprove it with anything that is not pr fluff from the Redskins.

Well, I concede Cowher, thats almost certain. I think the situation with Mora is a little more complex than you imply. He interviewed with us, and were probably we very interested, but in the process we gave him leverage to use with the Seahawks. He was promised the gig after next season because they were worried we would steal him. Why would he move his family all the way accross the country (again) when he's got his HC job lined up in his own backyard? Seattle is a good gig, too. Spags? Honestly, I have no idea. Maybe we would have offered, maybe we just wanted to get a feel for him and complete the process. All I'm saying is Snyder hasn't been proven a liar in any of this, do you have evidence to the contrary?

As for Carroll, I have no idea why he was even brought up, not to mention why you would want him anyway. We had, what, ONE meeting with the guy? We're to assume that we were ready to hand him the keys to the kingdom prior to that meeting? It could have just as easily been mutual, you know Snyder would be leary of hiring a college guy after the Spurrier debacle.

You don't have to be an apologist to think there are more ways this could have gone down. You think I'm being pollyanish, fine, but I think you are basing your conclusions on your personal feelings for Snyder. I neither love Snyder nor hate him, I am very on the fence about him at this moment and I believe this is his last great chance to get this franchise going under his watch. You have admitted you despise him and Cerrato, no?

[redskin_rich]

I have a Jim Zorn football card from the 70's. I have to dig that up and have him sign it, lol.

[skinfanjon]

I agree, for the first time in the Snyder era we get a true clean slate who will be judged on wins.

But your last point is something I am desperately woried about. If we settled on Zorn, then one bad season and Snyderrato will be looking for another big name. I hope that is not the case but as I said, I dare not hope with this franchise

Here's the thing about Zorn....he was hired, what, two weeks ago? Since then he's been around th team, in the building, getting to work. It is very possible that he emerged as the candidate Snyderatto liked the best during that time. Is that settling?

I'm not saying this is fact, just that its possible. This whole thing was done so secretly its difficult to say anything for certain. That is what I object to.

[GibbsFan]

"When Zorn needs to get in the Player's faces (to correct them) are they going to respect a guy with no experience at this higher level of Coaching?"

Yes, as long as Vinny and DS are not micro managing every move in the background. If thats the the case then I feel for him because he's going into this with hands tied behind his back. Since Vinny has roster control, you can make a case that he would not have the leverage that any HC should have. The circus continues

[SkinsASchamps]

I am not able to read to0 much on this but if someone can just give me a quick answer to who is our offensive coordinator now? That would be great. thanks.

[skinfanjon]

Yes, as long as Vinny and DS are not micro managing every move in the background. If thats the the case then I feel for him because he's going into this with hands tied behind his back. Since Vinny has roster control, you can make a case that he would not have the leverage that any HC should have. The circus continues

He will have to earn his respect, no doubt. So did Joe Gibbs. So did every other great coach at some time or another. If he is to do great things here, he will have to do it the old-fashioned way, how can you not like that?

The more I think about this, the more I like it. My only concern at this point is getting him a right-hand man, but he has to know he needs one. It is only a matter of who and when.

[skinfanjon]

I am not able to read to0 much on this but if someone can just give me a quick answer to who is our offensive coordinator now? That would be great. thanks.

Mr. Outside Hire. (there isn't one yet)

[AGibbsGirl]

Here's the thing about Zorn....he was hired, what, two weeks ago? Since then he's been around th team, in the building, getting to work. It is very possible that he emerged as the candidate Snyderatto liked the best during that time. Is that settling?

I'm not saying this is fact, just that its possible. This whole thing was done so secretly its difficult to say anything for certain. That is what I object to.

He was in the parking space people... Not so secret when you're parking in the Head Coach's parking space before the news has been released....coincidence? I'm beginning to think not :D

Geeze, I'm going to bed, I'm just rambling at this point.... 'night fellas

[TrueOracle]

I will vouch for Mangini's Jets and say that he is not a troll. He has been a member here for a while and until tonight I really can't say I remember him ever dissing our team. He has been a member of our hR NASCAR league and that is the only place I remember ever seeing him comment.
Anyway, he is welcome to offer his opinion, just like anybody else. I personally like this decision but I am a bit disappointed with the overwhelming support of it, as reflected in the poll. I welcome any good argument against it.

I am with you all the way, in that this process took way too long and it was obvious that indecision was a huge problem but I like this decision because it is such a gamble. It also shows that despite the indecision that went on with the process, Snyder was willing to make a pick that wasn't safe or insulating to himself and Vinny. This was not a pick that the fans wanted, nor was it a safe pick of a proven candidate. This is a gamble and the same goes for Zorn. He has to prove himself. He has no pre-built appreciation from this fanbase, he will solely be judged on what he accomplishes.

How can you not love that?

My only concern is that Snyderatto does not have the necessary patience with him.

My opinion has nothing to do with Zorn being the HC. It has everything to do with our FO. It's like the Bad News Bears meets Porky's. Snyder and Cerrato (sp?) either are or look like clowns. The fact that Fassel was even a consideration was Ringling Brothersesque. Now Zorn is the HC?!?!? Where'd that come from?!?!? And please spare me any analysis on the "Dynamic Duos" decision making process. They look inept and know as much about football as, well, whatever.

I wish Zorn the best. However, the odds are really stacked against him and rightfully so: No HC experience, storied franchise, new team to learn, no NFC East experience, blah, blah , blah. It's a crap shoot at best. This owner needs to do everyone a favor and put himself out of his own misery.

[SkinsASchamps]

Mr. Outside Hire. (there isn't one yet)

Thank you. Is there a leading candidate or a list of options?

[skinfanjon]

Thank you. Is there a leading candidate or a list of options?

Just speculation at this point, but its safe to assume its someone with a WCO background.

[WarEagle]

The fans on the Seahawks boards are in shock but elated for Zorn. Several of them declared that the Skins are their second team now. What a change from a few short weeks ago! They're also looking forward to the Skins game in Seattle this regular season when they can welcome him home.

[WarEagle]

He was in the parking space people... Not so secret when you're parking in the Head Coach's parking space before the news has been released....coincidence? I'm beginning to think not :D

Geeze, I'm going to bed, I'm just rambling at this point.... 'night fellas

That's classic! Instead of white smoke, Dan tells Zorn to park in the HC parking space? Hilarious.

[skinsfan36]

i really like this hire and if you look at a certain picture his hair is sticking up just like the silouetee of the mystery canidate. i think he is a players coach and im hoping he succesful and will give him time to do so. as far as oc its got be someon west coast but he hired fassel that probably wouldnt be a good idea fassel might try to sabotage becuase he was passed over for head coach.