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guinness4health
02-15-2008, 01:14 PM
the Falcons released 7 players.....

quarterback....Byron Leftwich
tightend....Alge Crumpler
offensive tackle....Wayne Gandy
defensive tackle....Rod Coleman
cornerback....Lewis Sanders
linebacker....Marcus Wilkins
wide receiver....Jamin Elliott

link (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/nflinsider/2008/02/leftwich_crumpler_among_seven.html?nav=rss_blog)

coleman struggled last year, but had a couple of productive years as an interior pass-rusher....any chance the skins might be interested?

chrisbcbu
02-15-2008, 02:13 PM
I was very suprised to see Crumpler on that list. 5 PB in 7 years. I hope Philly doesnt pick him up.

LadyNRedskinsfan
02-15-2008, 02:22 PM
I was very suprised to see Crumpler on that list. 5 PB in 7 years. I hope Philly doesnt pick him up.
didnt they tag l.j. smith? crumpler will command some $$ on the open market. im surprised he was let go as well.

greatest2
02-15-2008, 02:29 PM
alge cut? interesting.

maybe we take a run, maybe not. he probably out of our price range. BUt philly has L.J> smith on the tag, Dallas has witten, but if the giants let schokey go then alge could end up there, maybe in green bay (David lee is ok).

Anyway, interesting, wouldn't mind a call to be like "whats your price alge" then say "well thats too rich for us, best of luck"

give_portis_the_rock
02-15-2008, 02:49 PM
Do we really need two pro bowl tight ends?

syphy
02-15-2008, 02:59 PM
Crumpler getting cut is quite surprising. I don't think it will happen, but having a Crumpler/Cooley double TE set would be nasty for opposing D's

Santheb
02-15-2008, 03:28 PM
They released Leftwich but not Harrington? The hopes for Joey starting in this league are (again) strong!

skinfanjon
02-15-2008, 04:08 PM
Crumpler's actually been a likely target since the middle of last season, evidently he was one of the main guys (along with Deangelo Hall) who were acting out last year. I don't really blame him, he was in a horrible situation, but that's the rap never the less.

Crumpler isn't much use to us, but Rod Coleman could be interesting for the right price. He was one of the better pass rushing DT's in the league just a couple of seasons ago. Blache has specifically said that's an area he'd like to improve upon.

hail2skins
02-15-2008, 04:57 PM
I find the Crumpler release interesting. He could be of use too for those seam routes. We tried that with Cooley but a taller tight end would be cool a la Shockey and the guy in Dallas.

akhhorus
02-15-2008, 05:03 PM
I find the Crumpler release interesting. He could be of use too for those seam routes. We tried that with Cooley but a taller tight end would be cool a la Shockey and the guy in Dallas.

It will be shocking if Crumpler doesn't end up in Carolina. He's from NC, they could badly use him and he can stick it to Atlanta twice a year.

I think the skins could use a slow footed tall WR as a 2nd TE for those seam routes you mention. Marcus Monk would be a possibility.

guinness4health
02-15-2008, 05:04 PM
I find the Crumpler release interesting. He could be of use too for those seam routes. We tried that with Cooley but a taller tight end would be cool a la Shockey and the guy in Dallas.

what's funny is according to their profiles on nfl.com Cooley is an inch taller than Crumpler (i would have never guessed it....although I am not sure that I believe it)

guinness4health
02-15-2008, 05:05 PM
Rod Coleman could be interesting for the right price. He was one of the better pass rushing DT's in the league just a couple of seasons ago. Blache has specifically said that's an area he'd like to improve upon.

this is kind of what I was thinking

hail2skins
02-15-2008, 05:07 PM
what's funny is according to their profiles on nfl.com Cooley is an inch taller than Crumpler (i would have never guessed it....although I am not sure that I believe it)I never believe those things.

shally
02-15-2008, 05:15 PM
crumpler worth a look, if he is reasonable in cost

i also heard that brookings might be released.. worth a look as well

give_portis_the_rock
02-15-2008, 05:19 PM
I like Coleman, but I don't know about giving all these 30+ free agents paydays.

Skins7ny
02-15-2008, 05:45 PM
It will be shocking if Crumpler doesn't end up in Carolina. He's from NC, they could badly use him and he can stick it to Atlanta twice a year.

I think the skins could use a slow footed tall WR as a 2nd TE for those seam routes you mention. Marcus Monk would be a possibility.

I love Crumpler, but the locker room problems he was part of would be cause for concern. I agree with you that Carolina is perfect fit for him, but keep in mind that Rennie Simmons was his TE coach when he was drafted and for the first few years of his career. Doubt we have budget for 2nd high-priced TE, but I always loved Crumpler's game.

Boy, I would love to have another WR named Monk play for the B&G.

hail2skins
02-15-2008, 07:28 PM
It will be shocking if Crumpler doesn't end up in Carolina. He's from NC, they could badly use him and he can stick it to Atlanta twice a year.

I think the skins could use a slow footed tall WR as a 2nd TE for those seam routes you mention. Marcus Monk would be a possibility.Did you say MONK!!!! Woohooo

skinsfan36
02-15-2008, 09:46 PM
i say bring coleman in for a look and then sign him if you cant get williams,or starks

Meatsnack
02-16-2008, 12:53 PM
Rod Coleman is a terrific natural 3-technique, which is just what our line needs. He produces tackles, sacks, and disruption. Paired with a decent young DE from the draft and we could have a D-line that goes from Meh to very good almost overnight. Give him a largely guaranteed 3-year contract that isn't awful and get him here.

Redskin006
02-16-2008, 01:07 PM
Rod Coleman is a terrific natural 3-technique, which is just what our line needs. He produces tackles, sacks, and disruption. Paired with a decent young DE from the draft and we could have a D-line that goes from Meh to very good almost overnight. Give him a largely guaranteed 3-year contract that isn't awful and get him here.

absolutely agree. coleman has a motor that never quits. i think we should bring him in for a couple of years and draft a late-round dt, to groom as we did with montgomery. also, i think we should sign leftwich. he would be a great backup and has a heck of an arm. he's fairly young and that way we can afford to lose collins and brunell if necessary. those two should be a priority, then if we want we can give crumpler a look. but crumpler is a starting te in this league and he will want to start and that wont happen here.

PyroGenic
02-16-2008, 01:55 PM
absolutely agree. coleman has a motor that never quits. i think we should bring him in for a couple of years and draft a late-round dt, to groom as we did with montgomery. also, i think we should sign leftwich. he would be a great backup and has a heck of an arm. he's fairly young and that way we can afford to lose collins and brunell if necessary. those two should be a priority, then if we want we can give crumpler a look. but crumpler is a starting te in this league and he will want to start and that wont happen here.

I wouldn't be surprised if Leftwich gets a shot in Bmore. I remember hearing that they really wanted the guy and were disappointed when they had to settle on Boller. It's not like McNair is going to find the fountain of youth during the offseason or anything.

ihatedallas
02-16-2008, 02:08 PM
I'm loving this if I'm Crumpler. He could go to a high powered O and make it that much better. Carolina would be perfect for him as others have said, solid qb with guaranteed single coverage being on the same team as Smith.

skinsfan36
02-16-2008, 10:34 PM
I'm loving this if I'm Crumpler. He could go to a high powered O and make it that much better. Carolina would be perfect for him as others have said, solid qb with guaranteed single coverage being on the same team as Smith.

i think thats were he ends up imo

shally
02-16-2008, 11:35 PM
i think thats were he ends up imo

seattle hasnt been the same since stevens took his act to tampa.. they need a superior tight end...

greatest2
02-17-2008, 12:40 AM
seattle hasnt been the same since stevens took his act to tampa.. they need a superior tight end...

that was the first team i thought of as well.

Gotta believe holmegran is pushing for him. i mean he is leaving this year, his team isn't getting younger. I thought seattle at first as well.

Then giants IF schokey getes bounced.
Green Bay cause david lee aint great, but i don't think there GM would do that, he is building through the draft and real young guys. and he is damn good at it.

guess88
02-17-2008, 01:59 AM
Then giants IF schokey getes bounced.
Green Bay cause david lee aint great, but i don't think there GM would do that, he is building through the draft and real young guys. and he is damn good at it.

Boss did really well in Shockey's absence, I doubt they go for Crumpler. Lee might not be great, but he's good, young, developing, and has an outstanding cast of WR to compliment him as well. Seattle and Carolina do look like great fits.. Hawks could be pretty scary with their WR line up mated to a dominant pass catching TE. Still need a running game though.

CNYSkinFan
02-17-2008, 07:40 AM
Boy I am tempted to want Crumpler and move Cooley back to FB in the WCO. Cooley's run blocking is not superb though Remember Tom Rathman with the 49ers...Cooley could dominate as a pass catching FB in the WCO IMO

greatest2
02-17-2008, 09:51 AM
Boy I am tempted to want Crumpler and move Cooley back to FB in the WCO. Cooley's run blocking is not superb though Remember Tom Rathman with the 49ers...Cooley could dominate as a pass catching FB in the WCO IMO

he would but i think we would be underutilizing him. I think the more we get him out there the better for us. he is such a good reciever and average blocker.

skinfanjon
02-17-2008, 10:24 AM
he would but i think we would be underutilizing him. I think the more we get him out there the better for us. he is such a good reciever and average blocker.

I agree, I don't want to see him return to FB. I just don't think he'd see the ball enough.

CNYSkinFan
02-17-2008, 10:29 AM
I agree, I don't want to see him return to FB. I just don't think he'd see the ball enough.
probably right, but Rathman in the WCO got about 70+ receptions a few years.

I just don't like Cooley's blocjking as A FB and was glad when he was moved to TE.

Sellers should get a few of those balls in year one, but Zorn & Cerrato have said a backup fb is a priority and I bet that persopn will grow into the starter at some point because of Seller's age

skinfanjon
02-17-2008, 10:40 AM
probably right, but Rathman in the WCO got about 70+ receptions a few years.

I just don't like Cooley's blocjking as A FB and was glad when he was moved to TE.

Sellers should get a few of those balls in year one, but Zorn & Cerrato have said a backup fb is a priority and I bet that persopn will grow into the starter at some point because of Seller's age

As much as I love seeing Sellers truck-stick guys, he only seems to be useful when the defense forgets about him and he's wide open. In the new system it would be nice to have a FB that can actually beat a LB to the flat and make a play. Also, Sellers doesn't have the best hands, especially in traffic. I wouldn't be at all suprised to see us target a hybrid FB who is swift on his feet and can make plays with his hands come the second day of the draft.

Not that it really matters, but Rathman had 73 preceptions in '89 and never again eclipsed 50 in a season. He was consistently between 30-45 receptions with a nice 7-10 average ypc.

You're absolutely correct about Cooley's bocking, that alone is reason enough to keep on the line of scrimmage. I wouldn't mind seeing him shift to FB at times, but we'd have to attempt some running plays out of the formation just to keep defenses honest.

chrisbcbu
02-17-2008, 12:28 PM
probably right, but Rathman in the WCO got about 70+ receptions a few years.

I just don't like Cooley's blocjking as A FB and was glad when he was moved to TE.

Sellers should get a few of those balls in year one, but Zorn & Cerrato have said a backup fb is a priority and I bet that persopn will grow into the starter at some point because of Seller's age

We have Broughton as the backup to Sellers IF he could stay healthy.

greatest2
02-17-2008, 12:54 PM
We have Broughton as the backup to Sellers IF he could stay healthy.

i don't think he has the talent enough to be our guy at FB

greatest2
02-17-2008, 12:57 PM
probably right, but Rathman in the WCO got about 70+ receptions a few years.

I just don't like Cooley's blocjking as A FB and was glad when he was moved to TE.

Sellers should get a few of those balls in year one, but Zorn & Cerrato have said a backup fb is a priority and I bet that persopn will grow into the starter at some point because of Seller's age

cooley is a playmaker, and he needs to be used that way. we can get a decent fullback for a west coast system.

as said before, sellers can't really beat a guy who is guarding him and is only good for 2-5 yards really. He has trouble catching even when people aren't around him. Even if sellers was like 26 i would still say get a fullback who can catch and block. sellers is a beast at blocking and running straight, perfect for gibbs, not for the new offense. he should do OK, but i don't expect him to be the starter in year 3 or maybe even year 2

santanadasavior
02-17-2008, 02:08 PM
I don't see the need to get Crumpler when we have Cooley. I just feel that we would not use them to their full potential if they were both on the team. Also, we could spend our money in places where we need it more. If we were to get them both, I would imagine that would almost fulfill our need for the possession receiver having two tight ends who can catch like they can.

skinsfan36
02-18-2008, 12:37 PM
coleman,gandy are both worth a look tampa is already targeting coleman though

JsMaViSd
02-18-2008, 02:38 PM
yea i was thinking Gandy also

Moe
02-19-2008, 11:44 AM
It will be shocking if Crumpler doesn't end up in Carolina. He's from NC, they could badly use him and he can stick it to Atlanta twice a year.

There have already been reports down here in the Charlotte media that he's top of the charts on the Panthers wish list at the moment.

Skins7ny
02-19-2008, 03:12 PM
absolutely agree. coleman has a motor that never quits. i think we should bring him in for a couple of years and draft a late-round dt, to groom as we did with montgomery. also, i think we should sign leftwich. he would be a great backup and has a heck of an arm. he's fairly young and that way we can afford to lose collins and brunell if necessary. those two should be a priority, then if we want we can give crumpler a look. but crumpler is a starting te in this league and he will want to start and that wont happen here.
I have always liked Leftwich and was impressed with him when he beat us a couple of years ago. That said, if there is a starting-caliber QB in the league with a slower release than JC, it is Leftwich. I don't think Leftwich is a good fit for the WCO. If Gibbs were still here, I would want him as JC's backup.
I wouldn't be surprised if Leftwich gets a shot in Bmore. I remember hearing that they really wanted the guy and were disappointed when they had to settle on Boller. It's not like McNair is going to find the fountain of youth during the offseason or anything.
I was surprised they didn't make more of a play for him last year, but Atlanta may have claimed Leftwich on waivers, precluding Balmer from negotiating with him. I don't know, but I would expect them to be a strong potential landing spot for Leftwich this off-season.
I'm loving this if I'm Crumpler. He could go to a high powered O and make it that much better. Carolina would be perfect for him as others have said, solid qb with guaranteed single coverage being on the same team as Smith.
Assuming he is healthy (or is not verifiably un-healthy), the Falcons did Crumpler an enormous favor. He is going to command big $$ as a free agent.