Demps to visit

[chrisbcbu]

Looks like we have first visitor coming in.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

Houston free agent safety Will Demps has scheduled a visit to Redskins Park for sometime next week. league sources said.

Demps, 28, is a former starting safety with the Ravens, Giants and Texans. He entered the NFL with Baltimore in 2002, and had a rougher time of things with the Giants in 2006 - Baltimore drafted LaRon Landry's older borther, Dawan, that year and Landry became an immediate starter with them, phasing Demps out - and Demps played 15 games for Houston last season.

The Redskins are seeking safety depth, and though many scouts were impressed with how youngster Reed Doughty came on late last season, I am not surprised Washington would look for a veteran to push Reed. Safety deptyh is something Coach Jim Zorn spoke about at the combine.

I actually do not mind this IF we can get him and he plays like he did for the Ravens.

[RedskinRyan]

How he played early with the Ravens anyways. Is Doughty ready to really take over a starting spot? I'm not so sure. I think Demps would be an excellent addition. With starting experience, he could fill in when need be, whether Doughty is ready or not.

[jaylen]

Is this what we've been reduced to. Demps. Just wait and pray we have a clue about the draft to fill the need areas.

[greatest2]

well they got depth in the safety position now. we still have our original problems of oline depth, de, cb,wr that still need to be addressed. Only so many can come in the draft, and only so many of those can be expect to contribute in years 1 and 2. June 1 cuts and some late free agents i expect.

If i was a betting man i would bet Johnson or Hackett will be here, but then again, i have lost alot of bets with the skins

[skinsfan36]

wouldnt mind him as depth,that leaves depth holes at lb,cb,oline.(need starting wr,3 teq dt,de)

[Skins-fo-life]

He is one of those 2nd tier guys that Cerrato was talking about. It would be a good signing and an upgrade ove Prileou. Anyone who lives in the local area notice that Cerrato is on the TV alot more. You hardly ever see an interview with Zorn. It really makes you take note that Gibbs is definately gone. You would always see Gibbs on TV and rarely anyone from the front office. Who's team is this? Sorry i got off topic but Demps would be a good signing for the right amount of money. Thumbs up and hope we get him.

[firehawk157]

Not a bad signing, he and Doughty could battle it out for the starting spot and both will be the better for it. When one goes down, the other could replace him. As long as it's for CHEAP, we should be good.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

He is one of those 2nd tier guys that Cerrato was talking about. It would be a good signing and an upgrade ove Prileou. Anyone who lives in the local area notice that Cerrato is on the TV alot more. You hardly ever see an interview with Zorn. It really makes you take note that Gibbs is definately gone. You would always see Gibbs on TV and rarely anyone from the front office. Who's team is this? Sorry i got off topic but Demps would be a good signing for the right amount of money. Thumbs up and hope we get him.
Danny's and Vinny's. I don't think there is any doubt about that.

As for Demps, fine by me as long as he is relatively cheap.

[hail2skins]

Some of you are speaking like it's done deal. It's a visit that's all. Plus, I'd rather see Reed in there but if he's signed, the competition would be good.

[PyroGenic]

That's weird that zorn would be talking about safety depth at the combine since by all accounts the safeties this year are horrible.

[chrisbcbu]

Some of you are speaking like it's done deal. It's a visit that's all. Plus, I'd rather see Reed in there but if he's signed, the competition would be good.

How many visit that we let go? ;)

[Hr fan]

He is one of those 2nd tier guys that Cerrato was talking about. It would be a good signing and an upgrade ove Prileou. Anyone who lives in the local area notice that Cerrato is on the TV alot more. You hardly ever see an interview with Zorn. It really makes you take note that Gibbs is definately gone. You would always see Gibbs on TV and rarely anyone from the front office. Who's team is this? Sorry i got off topic but Demps would be a good signing for the right amount of money. Thumbs up and hope we get him.

Agree Demps would be an upgrade over PP. As far as who is who, the HC is the guy that hires his assistants. Hence Vinnie is the HC, with assignment of game day HC duties to Zorn (for now).

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I have always liked Demps, but I doubt in any sense that he would be the starter over Reed. Reed Doughty looked really good last year. He was one of the bright spots after horrible tragedy. I am rooting for Reed to continue to do well.

[Skinz4lyfe]

I like the idea of bringing him in. Early reports indicate that the Jags are interested in PP. We need someone with experience in there to help w/Doughty. Nothing wrong with that at all.

[smoak]

I am officially on the Reed Doughty bandwagon, and uit would be a nice story if he could anchor that position oppposite Landry. That said, I haven't seen enough of RD to say he is more than a liability in pass coverage, and I's love to see a platoon back there.

[CNYSkinFan]

well they got depth in the safety position now. we still have our original problems of oline depth, de, cb,wr that still need to be addressed. Only so many can come in the draft, and only so many of those can be expect to contribute in years 1 and 2. June 1 cuts and some late free agents i expect.

If i was a betting man i would bet Johnson or Hackett will be here, but then again, i have lost alot of bets with the skins
how do they have depth in Safety now?

The only safeties on the roster are Landry, Doughty, & Fox. Landry is a stud, but there are still a few questions about Doughty (though he came on late last year) and Fox is nothing more then a special teamer.

We lost Taylor forever, we have let Stoutmire & Prioleau go test the FA market. We nned safety depth and adding a former starter in Demps is good insurance.

[smave]

how do they have depth in Safety now?

The only safeties on the roster are Landry, Doughty, & Fox. Landry is a stud, but there are still a few questions about Doughty (though he came on late last year) and Fox is nothing more then a special teamer.

We lost Taylor forever, we have let Stoutmire & Prioleau go test the FA market. We nned safety depth and adding a former starter in Demps is good insurance.

my thoughts exactly

having him as depth is better than any other depth we have

[Skins7ny]

I am officially on the Reed Doughty bandwagon, and uit would be a nice story if he could anchor that position oppposite Landry. That said, I haven't seen enough of RD to say he is more than a liability in pass coverage, and I's love to see a platoon back there.

Gotta disagree with you here. Doughty had one bad game against the Cowboys, and it was truly a stinker, in his first game as a starter when Sean Taylor got injured. But the whole defensive backfield stunk in that game. After that, Doughty did not get burned noticeably again and also played good run defense. He was not flashy, but he was very solid. Considering that these were his first few starts, he was coming from a small school, and he is a hard worker who is smart and coachable, I think he is going to continue to be our starter indefinitely. And I think that is a good thing.

[smave]

Gotta disagree with you here. Doughty had one bad game against the Cowboys, and it was truly a stinker, in his first game as a starter when Sean Taylor got injured. But the whole defensive backfield stunk in that game. After that, Doughty did not get burned noticeably again and also played good run defense. He was not flashy, but he was very solid. Considering that these were his first few starts, he was coming from a small school, and he is a hard worker who is smart and coachable, I think he is going to continue to be our starter indefinitely. And I think that is a good thing.

this is true

Doughty is prolly one of our best SURE tacklers on defense tho. Hes a good run stopper in the box. His coverage isnt too bad, but give it time he will get it down

[CNYSkinFan]

Gotta disagree with you here. Doughty had one bad game against the Cowboys, and it was truly a stinker, in his first game as a starter when Sean Taylor got injured. But the whole defensive backfield stunk in that game. After that, Doughty did not get burned noticeably again and also played good run defense. He was not flashy, but he was very solid. Considering that these were his first few starts, he was coming from a small school, and he is a hard worker who is smart and coachable, I think he is going to continue to be our starter indefinitely. And I think that is a good thing.
GW also adjusted though, dropped Landry back and actually played Doughty on the line (like yhe should have done all along). Doughty wasn't burned in coverage because he was not really asked to do it.

It all depends on the scheme Blatche puts in place and whether or not he is going to ask Doughty to cover. Because when Doughty was lined up in the Cover-2 he looked awful archueletta-esque(tm).

But I think Doughty's role in the NFl will eventually be a solid dime safety and special teamer. I don't think he is a long term starter. But a reserve role with solid contribution is pretty good for a 7th round pick.

[smoak]

GW also adjusted though, dropped Landry back and actually played Doughty on the line (like yhe should have done all along). Doughty wasn't burned in coverage because he was not really asked to do it.

It all depends on the scheme Blatche puts in place and whether or not he is going to ask Doughty to cover. Because when Doughty was lined up in the Cover-2 he looked awful archueletta-esque(tm).

But I think Doughty's role in the NFl will eventually be a solid dime safety and special teamer. I don't think he is a long term starter. But a reserve role with solid contribution is pretty good for a 7th round pick.

I disagree. If I were coaching Doughty, I'd have him in the base packages much more frequently that nickel and dime. He seems to be someone from what I aw that can contribute but needs to earn his way into more reps and playing time. I'd start by lettign him compete for startign role and spell him in passing situations until he proves his worth.

But that is just me. I was impressed that he wasn't as terrible as I thought and much better in all aspect that Archuletta who simply can't play the game any more for whatever reason.

[shally]

i just hope we dont expect demps to cover anyone, as that is not his strength at all..

[smoak]

Gotta disagree with you here. Doughty had one bad game against the Cowboys, and it was truly a stinker, in his first game as a starter when Sean Taylor got injured. But the whole defensive backfield stunk in that game. After that, Doughty did not get burned noticeably again and also played good run defense. He was not flashy, but he was very solid. Considering that these were his first few starts, he was coming from a small school, and he is a hard worker who is smart and coachable, I think he is going to continue to be our starter indefinitely. And I think that is a good thing.

RD gave up the play against the Bills that put them in FG range to win it. Had he simply made the tackle, that game is probably over. But I don't want to trash the guy b/c I Like him a lot. All I meant is that I would make him earn every little bit that he gets.

[smoak]

i just hope we dont expect demps to cover anyone, as that is not his strength at all..

I don't know Demps, but if Springs in on this team, I'd put him back there in passing downs.

[CNYSkinFan]

I don't know Demps, but if Springs in on this team, I'd put him back there in passing downs.
I still think if rogers did not get hurt we would have seen Springs transistioning to safety this year. But with Rogers out we need him as corner and I doubt next year Springs will make the transition.

[shally]

I don't know Demps, but if Springs in on this team, I'd put him back there in passing downs.

agree, but until rogers comes back springs will be at corner and not safety

[shally]

I still think if rogers did not get hurt we would have seen Springs transistioning to safety this year. But with Rogers out we need him as corner and I doubt next year Springs will make the transition.

i think next year springs' salary will increase even further and it will make it problematic to keep him
we need some of the younger guys (westbrook/torrence/eubanks) to step up

[CNYSkinFan]

i think next year springs' salary will increase even further and it will make it problematic to keep him
we need some of the younger guys (westbrook/torrence/eubanks) to step up
at cb yes, but a standard extension with low salaries and a switch to FS is probably in Springs future next year. say a 6 year contract with an $8 mil SB and vet minimums the first three years...

but that is only if he continues his high level of play and the transition to safety makes sense (ie no one steps upto pair with Landry or Landry needs to move back to SS)

[shally]

at cb yes, but a standard extension with low salaries and a switch to FS is probably in Springs future next year. say a 6 year contract with an $8 mil SB and vet minimums the first three years...

but that is only if he continues his high level of play and the transition to safety makes sense (ie no one steps upto pair with Landry or Landry needs to move back to SS)


depends upon the play of this year's safeties..IF doughty progresses or IF demps or someone else provides stability at safety then the skins dont need springs and his high salary transitioning to safety.. even at a lower figure springs is a risk of injury every year.. who knows about next year ? i just hope he can give us quality play until rogers gets back

all this would be moot if the front office can land players to give this defense some semblence of a pass rush from the line.. that i will believe when it happens

[Baker24]

at cb yes, but a standard extension with low salaries and a switch to FS is probably in Springs future next year. say a 6 year contract with an $8 mil SB and vet minimums the first three years...

but that is only if he continues his high level of play and the transition to safety makes sense (ie no one steps upto pair with Landry or Landry needs to move back to SS)

I dont think landry can move any farther away from the line of scrimmage...

[smoak]

agree, but until rogers comes back springs will be at corner and not safety

I'm with you, but the way I envisioning it working is that Springs plays CB in the base package, and then rolls out to S on passing downs. What kills me about the Redskins is that I see so little of that innovation that (along with spying) makes the Patriots so successful. With TO torching the secondary the way he was, I would have at least considered taking Landry and saying, "Beat the living **cbs** out of that guy and we'll give you deep help". Technically Taylor was the one suited to that role, but you have to do SOMETHING different. Staying in a cover two without getting to the QB is suicide.

[colkurtz]

How about drafting some top-notch DL talent that makes the entire DB corps look better. Now that's a concept!

Oh yeah. I like the Demps visit.

[Redskin4Life]

I've like the idea of extending Springs and moving him to safety in the future. They just need to extend him to a 5 yr deal, 27M deal with 7M signing.

He'll get the money he was to make this year upfront.
He'll be paid what Smoot is getting as a corner but also being a pretty highly paid safety.
We can use him at corner this year and move him to the CB/S hybrid in the future.
And we'll get a reduction in his cap number for a couple of years.

Heck, we can even give him a "Brunell deal" where we add a couple of years that get voided to reduce his cap number further (similar to what we did with Collins).

[Warpath23]

How about drafting some top-notch DL talent that makes the entire DB corps look better. Now that's a concept!

Oh yeah. I like the Demps visit.The main dilemma is, who are the true base ends in the draft that can come in & supplant Daniels at 21? I'm starting to think pick 21 will be a value pick. I see more value at CB & WR than I do with the DE's in this spot.

[shally]

The main dilemma is, who are the true base ends in the draft that can come in & supplant Daniels at 21? I'm starting to think pick 21 will be a value pick. I see more value at CB & WR than I do with the DE's in this spot.

remember that both osi (2nd round) and tuck (3rd round) did not come in the first round. who says that is the only place to pick up a pass rusher ?

[skinsfan36]

remember that both osi (2nd round) and tuck (3rd round) did not come in the first round. who says that is the only place to pick up a pass rusher ?

yep and jared allen 4th round,mark anderson 6th round,elvis dumervil 5th round you just have to know what you are doing o god we have vinny

[colkurtz]

The main dilemma is, who are the true base ends in the draft that can come in & supplant Daniels at 21? I'm starting to think pick 21 will be a value pick. I see more value at CB & WR than I do with the DE's in this spot.

Daniels has been averaging less than 3 sacks for the last two seasons. You don't think we could bring in a well-researched draft DE that is:

Faster
Quicker
Far Younger
And has more potential upside than a 35 year old guy on the far,far downside of his career?

The Redskins have been the only NFL team to neglect the DE position for over a decade in the draft. Do you think that our overall bottom-5 record in the NFL during that period may be part of that misguided drafting priority?

[bergiemoore]

Daniels has been averaging less than 3 sacks for the last two seasons. You don't think we could bring in a well-researched draft DE that is:

Faster
Quicker
Far Younger
And has more potential upside than a 35 year old guy on the far,far downside of his career?

The Redskins have been the only NFL team to neglect the DE position for over a decade in the draft. Do you think that our overall bottom-5 record in the NFL during that period may be part of that misguided drafting priority?

Among many other things.... i.e. Steve Spurrier, Fantasy Team Owner, no franchise QB, etc.

[Warpath23]

remember that both osi (2nd round) and tuck (3rd round) did not come in the first round. who says that is the only place to pick up a pass rusher ?Thats my point...Unless its Chris Long a DE can be taken with a later pick.

[Warpath23]

Daniels has been averaging less than 3 sacks for the last two seasons. You don't think we could bring in a well-researched draft DE that is:

Faster
Quicker
Far Younger
And has more potential upside than a 35 year old guy on the far,far downside of his career?

The Redskins have been the only NFL team to neglect the DE position for over a decade in the draft. Do you think that our overall bottom-5 record in the NFL during that period may be part of that misguided drafting priority? Just seems most of the ends in the draft are rush ends. We have Carter for that, the real need is replacing Daniels with someone who can stand his ground against the run & get to the passer. Trust me I want daniels gone but I dont want to waste a 1st round pick on someone whose gonna sit the bench.

[Skins7ny]

RD gave up the play against the Bills that put them in FG range to win it. Had he simply made the tackle, that game is probably over. But I don't want to trash the guy b/c I Like him a lot. All I meant is that I would make him earn every little bit that he gets.
I forgot about that play. And that game. Thanks for reminding me :smash:
i just hope we dont expect demps to cover anyone, as that is not his strength at all..
IMO, a DB who cannot cover is like a LB who cannot tackle-what the hell do you need him for? Even a strong safety, where you used to be able to get away with being a poor cover guy, in today's game needs to be at least decent in coverage. I think Doughty is better than decent in coverage and should continue to get better.
yep and jared allen 4th round,mark anderson 6th round,elvis dumervil 5th round you just have to know what you are doing o god we have vinny
We HAD Vinny. At least, we thought he was Vinny, but he really wasn't. Vinny wasn't Vinny, he was Vinny/Dan/Joe/Greg/Al/Louis (Riddick)/etc. Now he is Clean Slate. Give Clean Slate an opportunity to screw up.
Among many other things.... i.e. Steve Spurrier, Fantasy Team Owner, no franchise QB, etc.
Don't forget to blame Kenard Lang. He ruined us for other 1st-round DEs, with his infectious smile, fun personality and lack of sacks.

[coffdogg]

That's weird that zorn would be talking about safety depth at the combine since by all accounts the safeties this year are horrible.Early safeties are horrible,I think you could get depth late.Which is what it used to be

[coffdogg]

this is true

Doughty is prolly one of our best SURE tacklers on defense tho. Hes a good run stopper in the box. His coverage isnt too bad, but give it time he will get it downPlus he is an in house DRAFT pick that we developed,like Antonio Pierce(I know he was undrafted FA) but we got him first.We don't need a pro bowler at every position

[coffdogg]

GW also adjusted though, dropped Landry back and actually played Doughty on the line (like yhe should have done all along). Doughty wasn't burned in coverage because he was not really asked to do it.

It all depends on the scheme Blatche puts in place and whether or not he is going to ask Doughty to cover. Because when Doughty was lined up in the Cover-2 he looked awful archueletta-esque(tm).

But I think Doughty's role in the NFl will eventually be a solid dime safety and special teamer. I don't think he is a long term starter. But a reserve role with solid contribution is pretty good for a 7th round pick.Not to be nit picky but he was a Sixth Rounder and that doesn't change much but we should give him a shot. Get a young one late in the Draft and let them fight eachother

[The Skinsinator]

I also think he'd be excellent insurance at safety with decent experience.

[skinsfan36]

Daniels has been averaging less than 3 sacks for the last two seasons. You don't think we could bring in a well-researched draft DE that is:

Faster
Quicker
Far Younger
And has more potential upside than a 35 year old guy on the far,far downside of his career?
The Redskins have been the only NFL team to neglect the DE position for over a decade in the draft. Do you think that our overall bottom-5 record in the NFL during that period may be part of that misguided drafting priority?

lol a 5th round pick would make me happy over daniels anymore he needs to atleast be a backup or forced to retire

[skinsfan36]

ok well demps wont visit he reupped with houstonhttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3276952

The Houston Texans, who lost safety Von Hutchins to Atlanta, prevented safety Will Demps from leaving in free agency.

Demps agreed to a two-year, $4.75 million deal. The 28-year-old Demps started eight of 15 games with the Texans. He came to Houston after one season with the New York Giants. His first four years were with the Baltimore Ravens. He has 70 career starts

[shally]

ok well demps wont visit he reupped with houstonhttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3276952

The Houston Texans, who lost safety Von Hutchins to Atlanta, prevented safety Will Demps from leaving in free agency.

Demps agreed to a two-year, $4.75 million deal. The 28-year-old Demps started eight of 15 games with the Texans. He came to Houston after one season with the New York Giants. His first four years were with the Baltimore Ravens. He has 70 career starts

no great loss options still remaining as UFA's (as far as i know, still)

eugene wilson Pats.... my favorite. versatile. good skills

doss and tank williams... vikes...injury and coverage issues

giordano.. indy.. worst case is like matt bowen

sapp.. ravens

crocker.. atl

cooper... carolina

all are about the same (except for wilson who is a cut above and giordano who is the youngest)

worst case scenario is pick up one of these guys for 2 years and draft a safety to develop in the later rounds.. or wait until june 1 and see if there are any other vet cuts... or..... draft a corner and start to rotate springs in at safety and get by with fox, doughty..............................and omar, if needed

[Baker24]

no great loss options still remaining as UFA's (as far as i know, still)

eugene wilson Pats.... my favorite. versatile. good skills

doss and tank williams... vikes...injury and coverage issues

giordano.. indy.. worst case is like matt bowen

sapp.. ravens

crocker.. atl

cooper... carolina

all are about the same (except for wilson who is a cut above and giordano who is the youngest)

worst case scenario is pick up one of these guys for 2 years and draft a safety to develop in the later rounds.. or wait until june 1 and see if there are any other vet cuts... or..... draft a corner and start to rotate springs in at safety and get by with fox, doughty..............................and omar, if needed

Wilson would be interesting but that means doughtery would go to the bench and theres something that doughtery offers that we havent had for a while consistency...not great but solid IMO

[Skins7ny]

no great loss options still remaining as UFA's (as far as i know, still)

eugene wilson Pats.... my favorite. versatile. good skills

doss and tank williams... vikes...injury and coverage issues

giordano.. indy.. worst case is like matt bowen

sapp.. ravens

crocker.. atl

cooper... carolina

all are about the same (except for wilson who is a cut above and giordano who is the youngest)

worst case scenario is pick up one of these guys for 2 years and draft a safety to develop in the later rounds.. or wait until june 1 and see if there are any other vet cuts... or..... draft a corner and start to rotate springs in at safety and get by with fox, doughty..............................and omar, if needed

I would sign Crocker. He is a very good safety, better than anyone else on this list except mayber Wilson, and he can play at both free and strong. He would be an excellent backup who can step in and start if Doughty gets injured or fails to progress.