DFA: Akh Mock III [Archive] - hailRedskins.com Fan Board

shally

03-02-2008, 09:38 PM

skinsfan36

03-02-2008, 10:44 PM

lorimike

03-03-2008, 07:26 AM

akhhorus

03-03-2008, 08:41 AM

i think that dixon is a real possibility late inthe draft. supposedly the skins brain trust (yeah, right) spent a lot of time one on one with dixon.. might remind zorn of senaca wallace in terms of skill set..

otherwise would look like a blue collar type of draft that might take a couple of years to sort itself out

The only problem is that Dixon will be out for a year basically.

Moe

03-03-2008, 08:47 AM

Dolla Bill

03-03-2008, 09:15 AM

The only problem is that Dixon will be out for a year basically.

Dixon was also drafted by the Atlanta Braves as an OF, so he does have that option if he doesn't draft as high as he would like.

dj_stouty

03-03-2008, 09:21 AM

Good stuff as usual.

2 points:

1. I'd rather see the Skins take the best interior lineman in the draft (Brandon Albert) at #21 instead of the 3rd or 4th best DT.

2. I know you and I have been over this before; but Chris Long is more apt to playing OLB than he is playing DT. No one from the combine even suggested he will be drafted to play the DT positoin. I think he will end up playing DE or possibly the OLB in a 3-4 scheme.

RedskinRyan

03-03-2008, 09:46 AM

Moe

03-03-2008, 10:43 AM

Does anybody honestly believe the Dolphins will go quarterback with the #1 pick? I don't think Parcells went to Miami to solidly build the future of this team. I think he wanted a quick fix into a Super Bowl Contender, and the team won't do that behind a rookie quarterback.

I agree with you. He's notoriously intolerant of QB's as a whole and I don't see him adding to his team what would be two high round young QB's. He's restocking that D, and will likely set that team up to protect Beck (or whomever) with the running game. I expect he wants to see what this team can acomplish this year and then next year try to make a big jump.

Patrick

03-03-2008, 12:47 PM

Link (http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/2008/03/akh-mock-iii.html)

Skins' picks:
#21: Kentwan Balmer DT UNC
#51: Terrell Thomas CB USC
#84: William Franklin WR Missouri
#144: Ezra Butler OLb Nevada
#176: Mike McGlynn OG Pittsburgh
#207: Dennis Dixon QB Oregon

Balmer - Like this guy, strength, room to grow, and potenial. Even a chance he'd steps in and starts.
Thomas - Former track guy with size - got to love it but can he hold up to the NFL. Already had his share of injuries (both shoulders and knee)
Franklin - ? Not sure about this and this is were I say VinnyDan make their move for Zorn's #3 QB - specially if Flacco is there. (but my gut tells me Brennan).
Butler and McGlynn - as good as picks as any and at positions where we could use depth.
Dixon - think our QB sitiuation will have been addressed by now and it's who's ever the best on the board. My guess - lineman.

Good Job Akh - now back to work with your next one. Only have time for 50 more Akh-Mocks. :D

akhhorus

03-03-2008, 01:39 PM

Looks like a blue collar type draft, which could be just what this team needs if these guys project.
Sounds like Terrell Thomas has potential but I'm seeing that he's had some significant injuries already. Is he over them and worth it at 51?
McGlynn is interesting since he could play OG and maybe C in a pinch, especially since he did some long snapping at Pitt.

As far as I know, Thomas is over his injuries. I think he's a steal at 21, but he'll drop for inexplicable reasons. He's every thing you want in a CB or CB/FS hybrid. Think Eugene Wilson with better measurables.

Good stuff as usual.

2 points:

1. I'd rather see the Skins take the best interior lineman in the draft (Brandon Albert) at #21 instead of the 3rd or 4th best DT.

We need the DT more now frankly.

2. I know you and I have been over this before; but Chris Long is more apt to playing OLB than he is playing DT. No one from the combine even suggested he will be drafted to play the DT positoin. I think he will end up playing DE or possibly the OLB in a 3-4 scheme.

And thats why so many teams fail ;)

I don't think he's a OLB even in a 3-4, he would be a waste there. That smells like posturing by a team. He's richard seymour version 2.0.

Does anybody honestly believe the Dolphins will go quarterback with the #1 pick? I don't think Parcells went to Miami to solidly build the future of this team. I think he wanted a quick fix into a Super Bowl Contender, and the team won't do that behind a rookie quarterback.

Then why aren't they bringing in anything at QB in FA? All their moves so far suggest that they're going QB in round 1. And Parcells made the super bowl in 3 years after drafting Bledsoe because he build a good team around him.

Balmer - Like this guy, strength, room to grow, and potenial. Even a chance he'd steps in and starts.
Thomas - Former track guy with size - got to love it but can he hold up to the NFL. Already had his share of injuries (both shoulders and knee)
Franklin - ? Not sure about this and this is were I say VinnyDan make their move for Zorn's #3 QB - specially if Flacco is there. (but my gut tells me Brennan).
Butler and McGlynn - as good as picks as any and at positions where we could use depth.
Dixon - think our QB sitiuation will have been addressed by now and it's who's ever the best on the board. My guess - lineman.

Good Job Akh - now back to work with your next one. Only have time for 50 more Akh-Mocks. :D

Thanks. Speaking of Flacco, I wouldn't be shocked if the skins draft Andre Woodson in round 3.

WinnpegSkinsFan

03-03-2008, 01:50 PM

HanburgerBum

03-03-2008, 02:01 PM

Link (http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/2008/03/akh-mock-iii.html)

Skins' picks:
#21: Kentwan Balmer DT UNC
#51: Terrell Thomas CB USC
#84: William Franklin WR Missouri
#144: Ezra Butler OLb Nevada
#176: Mike McGlynn OG Pittsburgh
#207: Dennis Dixon QB Oregon

A little confused by the Balmer pick. I think you had previously taken the position that a pass-rushing DE was the number one need for the Skins. So, why a tackle, when Merling, Harvey, Campbell, Jackson and Groves were all still on the board?

Also, Wash has Griffin, Montgomery and Golston now. The need at end seems much more acute than tackle. Is Balmer that good a prospect that the Skins simply can not pass him up at No.21? Will he provide inside pass rush, or is he just a run-stuffer?

akhhorus

03-03-2008, 02:03 PM

A little confused by the Balmer pick. I think you had previously taken the position that a pass-rushing DE was the number one need for the Skins. So, why a tackle, when Merling, Harvey, Campbell, Jackson and Groves were all still on the board?

Because I have zero faith that the skins will take a DE. This isn't a mock draft of they "should" take, but who they "will" take.

Also, Wash has Griffin, Montgomery and Golston now. The need at end seems much more acute than tackle. Is Balmer that good a prospect that the Skins simply can not pass him up at No.21? Will he provide inside pass rush, or is he just a run-stuffer?

See above. And Balmer is the kind of 3 gap DT they need for Blache's system.

akhhorus

03-03-2008, 02:11 PM

Good read as always! Very realistic draft for the Skins as well - Balmer would certainly improve the inside pass rush which the Skins want to improve. I realize that Barrett's stock has gone up after the combine but to go to the Bolts in the first, WOW!! I'd be interested to hear your reasoning for that pick - I like it but many would consider that a reach.

Barrett is what you're looking for in a Cover-2 SS or a 3-4(C3) FS. Big, fast, talented. He'll shoot up the boards thanks to Weddle last year, and I think he's a top 15 player in this draft.

HanburgerBum

03-03-2008, 02:44 PM

Because I have zero faith that the skins will take a DE. This isn't a mock draft of they "should" take, but who they "will" take.

See above. And Balmer is the kind of 3 gap DT they need for Blache's system.

Okay. Understood. But, i think you may be going a little overboard in your condemnation of the front office.

True, it has not been one of the top organizations in the League, but I doubt it is one of the worst either. Oakland, Atlanta, Miami (until this year), Detroit, St.Louis come to mind for the latter.

Cerrato, in my estimation, has done about a C+ job. Free agents and trades have been a mixed bag. First-day picks have been good on the most part. Second-day picks and undrafted FAs have been disappointing, but are improving (Montgomery, Golston, Doughty, Heyer, Wilson, Cartwright, Suisham, Torrence).

I think the talent evaluators on this team know full well that a pass-rusing DE is more of a concern than a DT, given Griffin, Montgomery and Golston are on the roster and Daniels is a candidate to move inside. So, if it came down to a DE or DT and the prospects available are about equal in value, I believe the Skins will choose the former.

akhhorus

03-03-2008, 03:00 PM

Okay. Understood. But, i think you may be going a little overboard in your condemnation of the front office.

True, it has not been one of the top organizations in the League, but I doubt it is one of the worst either. Oakland, Atlanta, Miami (until this year), Detroit, St.Louis come to mind for the latter.

St Louis has been much better putting together a team than we have.

Cerrato, in my estimation, has done about a C+ job. Free agents and trades have been a mixed bag. First-day picks have been good on the most part. Second-day picks and undrafted FAs have been disappointing, but are improving (Montgomery, Golston, Doughty, Heyer, Wilson, Cartwright, Suisham, Torrence).

There's 1 full time contributor in that bunch. Suisham and Torrance were both FA who played elsewhere before coming to dc.

Considering how poor the drafting and free agency under Vinny has been and the total bumbling of the coaching search, I don't think anyone can overestimate the stupidity of this front office.

I think the talent evaluators on this team know full well that a pass-rusing DE is more of a concern than a DT, given Griffin, Montgomery and Golston are on the roster and Daniels is a candidate to move inside. So, if it came down to a DE or DT and the prospects available are about equal in value, I believe the Skins will choose the former.

I see zero evidence to support that. The redskins haven't drafted a DE since Greg Scott in 2002, and the last one we drafted high was Kenard Lang. There's no evidence that this will change. Zero.

dj_stouty

03-03-2008, 03:36 PM

We need the DT more now frankly.

I agree. I just like to ponder how it would pan out if they did take the best OG in the first round. Tell me in your opinion; if the Skins did take a shot on Albert at 1.21 then which DE or DTs would be available for their 2nd round pick?

Isn't this a d-line heavy draft?

akhhorus

03-03-2008, 03:39 PM

I agree. I just like to ponder how it would pan out if they did take the best OG in the first round. Tell me in your opinion; if the Skins did take a shot on Albert at 1.21 then which DE or DTs would be available for their 2nd round pick?

Probably Lawrence Jackson, Quentin Groves and Chris Ellis. At DT: Pat Sims(maybe) and Trevor Laws.

Isn't this a d-line heavy draft?

There's a good high end, and some interesting 2nd/3rd round prospects, but I wouldn't call it heavy.

HanburgerBum

03-03-2008, 04:44 PM

St Louis has been much better putting together a team than we have.

There's 1 full time contributor in that bunch. Suisham and Torrance were both FA who played elsewhere before coming to dc.

Considering how poor the drafting and free agency under Vinny has been and the total bumbling of the coaching search, I don't think anyone can overestimate the stupidity of this front office.

I see zero evidence to support that. The redskins haven't drafted a DE since Greg Scott in 2002, and the last one we drafted high was Kenard Lang. There's no evidence that this will change. Zero.

I don't think it's fair to say that the drafting has been poor under Vinny. In fact, for first-day picks, the drafts have been pretty good on the most part given the paucity of the number of picks.

Also, this may be the first year in the last four that Vinny is really in charge. I think Gibbs made most final personnel decisions while he was here.

Further, the draft is not conducted in a vacuum. Vinny is going to consult the coaches as to their wishes. He isn't going to force prospects down the coaches' throats. If memory serves, Gregg Williams made a big deal about the team not needing to draft Dlinemen last year. Maybe GW had more to do with the way defensive players were drafted recently than Cerrato.

Additionally, what does it matter if a player was first signed by another team before signing here as a FA? If Cerrato found such players to help the Skins, he should be given credit.

akhhorus

03-03-2008, 04:50 PM

I don't think it's fair to say that the drafting has been poor under Vinny. In fact, for first-day picks, the drafts have been pretty good on the most part given the paucity of the number of picks.

Also, this may be the first year in the last four that Vinny is really in charge. I think Gibbs made most final personnel decisions while he was here.

Thats the problem. Gibbs made the decisions from 2004-2007. I'm talking about Vinny's drafting record in 2000, 2002 and 2003. Its pretty poor.

Further, the draft is not conducted in a vacuum. Vinny is going to consult the coaches as to their wishes. He isn't going to force prospects down the coaches' throats. If memory serves, Gregg Williams made a big deal about the team not needing to draft Dlinemen last year. Maybe GW had more to do with the way defensive players were drafted recently than Cerrato.

And DE has been a problem since 1999. I haven't seen Vinny doing much to alleviate the problem in the draft. I believe Vinny has said recently he doesn't think DE is a problem for the Skins and that they're happy with the Corpse of Phillip Daniels at DE.

Additionally, what does it matter if a player was first signed by another team before signing here as a FA? If Cerrato found such players to help the Skins, he should be given credit.

Except that you can only say that about one player on your list: Cartwright. The rest are Gibbs/Williams pick ups.

chad101

03-03-2008, 04:55 PM

Akh, you really see us(Jets) drafting a RB........he'd be the playmaker we need but I think we are set with Jones and Leon Washington.

akhhorus

03-03-2008, 05:02 PM

Akh, you really see us(Jets) drafting a RB........he'd be the playmaker we need but I think we are set with Jones and Leon Washington.

I think you need the best offensive playmaker you can get with your first. How much tread does Jones have left on his tires? 1-2 years? Splitting time between McFadden and Jones for the first couple years would be a great idea for the Jets. The only other plan I can see for the Jets would be dealing down 5 or so spots and drafting Sweed.

skinsfan36

03-04-2008, 12:15 AM

akh speaking of trevor laws you think he would be there int he 2nd if we dont see a wr and go with sweed?

Patrick

03-04-2008, 06:09 AM

Thanks. Speaking of Flacco, I wouldn't be shocked if the skins draft Andre Woodson in round 3.

Me neither. In fact either one of those guys are there at our #3 pick - I think we are going for them and I really don't have a preference - Both look good IMO (for a 3rd rounder).

Patrick

03-04-2008, 06:17 AM

I agree. I just like to ponder how it would pan out if they did take the best OG in the first round. Tell me in your opinion; if the Skins did take a shot on Albert at 1.21 then which DE or DTs would be available for their 2nd round pick?

Isn't this a d-line heavy draft?

Question is - IS there a OG that is worth a first round pick. The Skins would HAVE to looking for a guy who can start right away and I don't know if there are any that good. Now for a second or third round pick - no doubt, but how much they would contribute (first/second season) would be the REAL thing to ponder about.

Hr fan

03-04-2008, 08:15 AM

I had McGlynn in my mock as well. The receiver from Missouri is fast and had solid college production. If Dixon is there in round 7 that would be good value. Balmer at pick# 21 is about where everyone has him slotted to go but I think he's a risky pick. I like Dre Moore or Kendall Langford in round 3 as defensive tackles.

Agree, but don't think Moore will be there in 3. Langford probably will be.

dj_stouty

03-04-2008, 09:16 AM

Question is - IS there a OG that is worth a first round pick. The Skins would HAVE to looking for a guy who can start right away and I don't know if there are any that good. Now for a second or third round pick - no doubt, but how much they would contribute (first/second season) would be the REAL thing to ponder about.

Another good question. Brandon Albert is considered a 1st round pick by many analysts, but in the end; who really knows? And would a rookie OG supplant Thomas or Pete right away; doubtful.

My only reason for posing this question is that I know we need to address the o-line; as none of our current starters are youngsters anymore. If OG is a need, I think it would be good to put mock out what would happen if we got a stud OG and what type of d-line talent would fall to us in the 2nd round.

Don't get me wrong; I'm all for drafting a DE or DT in the first round...but if the difference in talent between the 6th best DE and the 9th best DE isn't very much, then why not take a shot at the #1 OG and pair him with the 9th best DE?

PA skins fan

03-04-2008, 09:24 AM

I know this is a little off the subject, but I had ESPN today, and i think they said the draft starts at 3 this year. I know its always started at 12 in the past. I cant find a site that confirms either, can anyone help me with this.

Patrick

03-04-2008, 11:53 AM

Another good question. Brandon Albert is considered a 1st round pick by many analysts, but in the end; who really knows? And would a rookie OG supplant Thomas or Pete right away; doubtful.

My only reason for posing this question is that I know we need to address the o-line; as none of our current starters are youngsters anymore. If OG is a need, I think it would be good to put mock out what would happen if we got a stud OG and what type of d-line talent would fall to us in the 2nd round.

Don't get me wrong; I'm all for drafting a DE or DT in the first round...but if the difference in talent between the 6th best DE and the 9th best DE isn't very much, then why not take a shot at the #1 OG and pair him with the 9th best DE?

Oh no I wasn't ...... In fact you are dead right about needing a guard. We have so many needs that if they select the best player that fits any one of our needs come the 21st pick - I'll be all for it- as well as happy.

akhhorus

03-04-2008, 01:30 PM

akh speaking of trevor laws you think he would be there int he 2nd if we dont see a wr and go with sweed?

Umm...I'd rather take Harrison. More upside imo.

Me neither. In fact either one of those guys are there at our #3 pick - I think we are going for them and I really don't have a preference - Both look good IMO (for a 3rd rounder).

Flacco probably will be long gone before our pick in the 3rd.

Another good question. Brandon Albert is considered a 1st round pick by many analysts, but in the end; who really knows? And would a rookie OG supplant Thomas or Pete right away; doubtful.

My only reason for posing this question is that I know we need to address the o-line; as none of our current starters are youngsters anymore. If OG is a need, I think it would be good to put mock out what would happen if we got a stud OG and what type of d-line talent would fall to us in the 2nd round.

Don't get me wrong; I'm all for drafting a DE or DT in the first round...but if the difference in talent between the 6th best DE and the 9th best DE isn't very much, then why not take a shot at the #1 OG and pair him with the 9th best DE?

I would retort that since DE(and/or DT) is such a bleeding need for this team, I would much rather take the 6th best DE at 21, then turn around and take the 2nd or 3rd best OG in round 2(Rachal, etc). Because the drop off between those DEs is greater than the drop off between the guards(I would love to have Rachal or Schuening).

HanburgerBum

03-04-2008, 04:20 PM

Me neither. In fact either one of those guys are there at our #3 pick - I think we are going for them and I really don't have a preference - Both look good IMO (for a 3rd rounder).

I like your idea of waiting for the 2nd round to address the Dline if there is a stud Oline prospect at No. 21, but this idea of drafting Woodson or Flacco in the 3rd round makes no sense (no way Flacco would still be there any way given the combine he had).

Jason Campbell is only 26. Are we ready to throw him under the bus already? What kind of a message would we be sending Jason? We have no confidence in him?

Assuming Campbell becomes the fine starter we envison him to be, how are we going to be able to keep Woodson or Flacco when their initial contracts run out in 3-4 years? Most likely, they would not have even played enough to build a resume for trading purposes. We would basically be wasting the 3rd rounder, and this team is in no position to waste such a pick.

If we want to draft a third QB to back up Campbell and Collins, do it in the 6th-7th round.

Patrick

03-05-2008, 07:52 AM

I like your idea of waiting for the 2nd round to address the Dline if there is a stud Oline prospect at No. 21, but this idea of drafting Woodson or Flacco in the 3rd round makes no sense (no way Flacco would still be there any way given the combine he had).

Jason Campbell is only 26. Are we ready to throw him under the bus already? What kind of a message would we be sending Jason? We have no confidence in him?
Assuming Campbell becomes the fine starter we envison him to be, how are we going to be able to keep Woodson or Flacco when their initial contracts run out in 3-4 years? Most likely, they would not have even played enough to build a resume for trading purposes. We would basically be wasting the 3rd rounder, and this team is in no position to waste such a pick.

If we want to draft a third QB to back up Campbell and Collins, do it in the 6th-7th round.

The message it sends? ............ Come on - You know this is the NFL not sensitivity class. Message sent is that this is a business.
I hope JC turns out to be a GREAT QB but the key is - "TURNS OUT".
Yes he's only 26, but he's been here 3 years AND with some success - BUT what if he decides he wants to test the market when his contract is up;
OR then can't resign him (that’s NEVER happen to one of our players huh);
OR he sustains a career threading/end injury;
OR (and I'm hoping not) he doesn't progress any future in his development.
There are too many IF and a "good" FO (another key term there sorry) would be prepared for a worse case scenario. We don’t need another veteran QB – IMO.
Drafting a QB in the third round is NOT a bad idea. Having a young talent to develop is NOT a bad idea. Being prepared for a day when you might have your starting QB or a 37-year-old backup is NOT a bad idea.

I do agree that Flacco will probably not be there in the 3rd round but we've seen stranger things happen in the draft. And if the Skins decide to wait till the 5th, 6th, or 7th round to address the 3rd string QB situation - that's OK too. I just feel that the odds of getting a better QB would come in the 3rd.

Patrick

03-05-2008, 07:56 AM

I like your idea of waiting for the 2nd round to address the Dline if there is a stud Oline prospect at No. 21, but this idea of drafting Woodson or Flacco in the 3rd round makes no sense (no way Flacco would still be there any way given the combine he had).

Jason Campbell is only 26. Are we ready to throw him under the bus already? What kind of a message would we be sending Jason? We have no confidence in him?
Assuming Campbell becomes the fine starter we envison him to be, how are we going to be able to keep Woodson or Flacco when their initial contracts run out in 3-4 years? Most likely, they would not have even played enough to build a resume for trading purposes. We would basically be wasting the 3rd rounder, and this team is in no position to waste such a pick.

If we want to draft a third QB to back up Campbell and Collins, do it in the 6th-7th round.

The message it sends? ............ Come on - You know this is the NFL not sensitivity class. Message sent is that this is a business.
I VERY MUCH HOPE JC turns out to be a GREAT QB but the key is - "TURNS OUT".
Yes he's only 26, but he's been here 3 years AND with some success. BUT what if he decides he wants to test the market when his contract is up;
OR then can't resign him (that’s NEVER happen to one of our players huh);
OR he sustains a career threading/end injury;
OR (and I'm hoping not) he doesn't progress any future in his development.
There are too many IF and a "good" FO (another key term there sorry) would be prepared for a worse case scenario. We don’t need another veteran QB – IMO.
Drafting a QB in the third round is NOT a bad idea. Having a young talent to develop is NOT a bad idea. Being prepared for a day when you might have your starting QB or a 37-year-old backup is NOT a bad idea.

I do agree that Flacco will probably not be there in the 3rd round but we've seen stranger things happen in the draft. And if the Skins decide to wait till the 5th, 6th, or 7th round to address the 3rd string QB situation - that's OK too. I just feel that the odds of getting a better QB would come in the 3rd.

Regardless - No matter what you or I think - it will probably be 180 degree from what VinnyDan decide to do. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out and hopefully for the better of the team .......... and we will ALL be happy.

Hr fan

03-05-2008, 09:46 AM

I would retort that since DE(and/or DT) is such a bleeding need for this team, I would much rather take the 6th best DE at 21, then turn around and take the 2nd or 3rd best OG in round 2(Rachal, etc). Because the drop off between those DEs is greater than the drop off between the guards(I would love to have Rachal or Schuening).

Agree. One factor is not the BPA, it is the need of the team for immediate improvement. For instance a starting OG that will sit is less valuable than a DE who will be productive even tho the OG is rated the "surer" prospect - and how sure is any prospect? Besides, there are more low draft choice starting OL than low draft choice pass rushing defensive ends.

dj_stouty

03-05-2008, 10:37 AM

Jason Campbell is only 26. Are we ready to throw him under the bus already? What kind of a message would we be sending Jason? We have no confidence in him?

What message would it send? It would remind him that receiving the starting quarterback moniker of the Redskins is earned and never assumed. I am 100% for competition at every position for the Skins, especially the one who touches the ball on every play. I'm tired of blaming confidence issues when it comes to our Quarterbacks. I was tired of it when it was used as an excuse for Patrick Ramsey and I'm tired of it now. If a young NFL Quarterback can only perform when he thinks the job is soley his, then I don't want him. Period.

PLUS, you aren't doing Jason any justice by assuming he will fold under the pressure of competition. I'm a big Jason Campbell fan, and I know he will do well if he has an older Veteren (Collins) behind him OR if he has a newly drafted high-round draft pick behind him. (Flacco/Woodson) Drafting one of those guys isn't throwing Jason under the bus. Trading up to the #1 pick to draft Matt Ryan would be closer to throwing Jason under the bus, but that isn't happening.

The fact is; our head coach is a former NFL QB and former NFL QB Coach. If he thinks the best direction of this franchise is to draft a 3rd round QB to develop behind the current QB who is entering his 4th season, then so be it.

HanburgerBum

03-08-2008, 04:09 PM

The message it sends? ............ Come on - You know this is the NFL not sensitivity class. Message sent is that this is a business.
I VERY MUCH HOPE JC turns out to be a GREAT QB but the key is - "TURNS OUT".
Yes he's only 26, but he's been here 3 years AND with some success. BUT what if he decides he wants to test the market when his contract is up;
OR then can't resign him (that’s NEVER happen to one of our players huh);
OR he sustains a career threading/end injury;
OR (and I'm hoping not) he doesn't progress any future in his development.
There are too many IF and a "good" FO (another key term there sorry) would be prepared for a worse case scenario. We don’t need another veteran QB – IMO.
Drafting a QB in the third round is NOT a bad idea. Having a young talent to develop is NOT a bad idea. Being prepared for a day when you might have your starting QB or a 37-year-old backup is NOT a bad idea.

I do agree that Flacco will probably not be there in the 3rd round but we've seen stranger things happen in the draft. And if the Skins decide to wait till the 5th, 6th, or 7th round to address the 3rd string QB situation - that's OK too. I just feel that the odds of getting a better QB would come in the 3rd.

Regardless - No matter what you or I think - it will probably be 180 degree from what VinnyDan decide to do. We'll just have to wait and see how it plays out and hopefully for the better of the team .......... and we will ALL be happy.

Totally disagree with you and dj Stouty. This team has way too many holes to spend a 3rd rounder on a QB prospect when it just got thru trading 3 picks (a first, a second and a fourth) for a QB three years ago. This is especially so when that QB has not shown that he is a bust--some would say quite the contrary.

It is one thing to use a high pick on a QB when the starter is past 30, it is entire another thing to do so when the starter is only 26.

McNabb got upset when Philly used a high pick on a QB when he is already past 30. How do you think Jason would feel if Wash did the same thing when he is only 26?

If Jason plays well as we expect, this 3rd round QB will never play and will leave without the team getting any compensation. Even if Jason falters, Collins (who is a young 37 because his body has never been battered) can start until the team addresses the problem.

I wouldn't even waste a 6-7 rounder on a QB this draft. There are tons of young FA QBs roaming the streets the team can bring in as the third QB. There may be a Kurt Warner, Trent Green or a Derek Anderson (all released by their original teams) among them. Isn't free agent Shaun Hill about to replace Alex Smith as the starter in SF?

shally

03-08-2008, 07:06 PM

Totally disagree with you and dj Stouty. This team has way too many holes to spend a 3rd rounder on a QB prospect when it just got thru trading 3 picks (a first, a second and a fourth) for a QB three years ago. This is especially so when that QB has not shown that he is a bust--some would say quite the contrary.

It is one thing to use a high pick on a QB when the starter is past 30, it is entire another thing to do so when the starter is only 26.

McNabb got upset when Philly used a high pick on a QB when he is already past 30. How do you think Jason would feel if Wash did the same thing when he is only 26?

If Jason plays well as we expect, this 3rd round QB will never play and will leave without the team getting any compensation. Even if Jason falters, Collins (who is a young 37 because his body has never been battered) can start until the team addresses the problem.

I wouldn't even waste a 6-7 rounder on a QB this draft. There are tons of young FA QBs roaming the streets the team can bring in as the third QB. There may be a Kurt Warner, Trent Green or a Derek Anderson (all released by their original teams) among them. Isn't free agent Shaun Hill about to replace Alex Smith as the starter in SF?

we will take a qb on the second day.. agree that we should use day
1 picks for key needs on both lines, wideout and corner-depending upon what is not picked up in the next few weeks

Sean36

03-08-2008, 07:40 PM

we will take a qb on the second day.. agree that we should use day
1 picks for key needs on both lines, wideout and corner-depending upon what is not picked up in the next few weeks

I think Balmer from UNC will be a good pick up, in which we could get Lawrence Jackson in the 2nd or the fact that Calias Campbell's stock is dropping dramatically we can sure up or defensive line with two picks.

HanburgerBum

03-08-2008, 07:46 PM

we will take a qb on the second day.. agree that we should use day
1 picks for key needs on both lines, wideout and corner-depending upon what is not picked up in the next few weeks

I wouldn't take a QB on either day, but if a 7th rounder is used for one I could live with it.

There is no need to develop another young QB when your starter is only 26 years old. When would such a young QB get to play? If Campbell falters, Collins would start. How would this young QB get to prove his worth, or build a resume for trading purposes?

VegasSkinsFan

03-08-2008, 07:49 PM

I wouldn't take a QB on either day, but if a 7th rounder is used for one I could live with it.

There is no need to develop another young QB when your starter is only 26 years old. When would such a young QB get to play? If Campbell falters, Collins would start. How would this young QB get to prove his worth, or build a resume for trading purposes?

My thinking also, but if we end up getting a comp 7th I wouldnt mind taking a qb... maybe o'connell from sd. GO SKINS !!!!

HanburgerBum

03-09-2008, 02:03 PM

My thinking also, but if we end up getting a comp 7th I wouldnt mind taking a qb... maybe o'connell from sd. GO SKINS !!!!

I must admit I don't know anything about O'Connell. If the front office has a feeling about him, I guess using a 7th rounder on him would be acceptable. But, if it comes down to O'Connell or a player at DE, DT, Oline, OLB, CB or S, I would opt for the latter.

Redskin4Life

03-11-2008, 03:08 PM

Well based off of the comments VinnyC's been making on the Skins Lunch radio show, the first three rounds will be spent addressing CB, OL, DL and/or WR. He also alluded to the fact that this draft isn't deep in WRs. OL and DL are extremely deep. And the late first/second round talent CBs are deep. He also stated how LB and S depth will be addressed on the second day.

So this is how I see it going down:

WR in the first, CB in the second, DT and OT/OG in the third (assuming we get a comp pick), OC/OG in the fifth, S in sixth, LB and QB (Dixon is my guess here) in seventh (assuming a comp pick here too). This is what I'm hoping for:
Oakland trades 4th (McFadden) to Dallas for both first and second in this draft
Trade 21st to Oakland (James Hardy) for 28th and 34th

CB Dominique Rogers-Cromartie in the first (28th) -- slips only cause of run on elite RBs and WRs
OG Chilo Rachal at 34th
DL Chris Ellis at 51
DE Calais Campbell at 85
FB Owen Schmidt at 3rd comp
OC/OG Steve Justice in 5th
S Craig Steltz in 6th
QB Dennis Dixon in 7th