Which WRs make the roster?

[Cutter]

With all the recievers that came through in '07 and with us courting Hackett and the possibility of drafting another WR in April, the position is getting crowded. I'm pretty sure Moss and ARE are locks. Everyone else is on the bubble.

Even if Caldwell gets a contract he might just be camp fodder if we draft a guy or sign Hackett.

Thrash is coming off that high ankle sprain and could get squeezed out by youth.

Mix might not have shown enough to get a roster spot.

Espy has durability issues and lacks size.

Does anyone know how many recievers the WCO teams had?

For my money:
Moss
Hackett
ARE - (but wouldn't Moss be sick in the slot like Welker?)
Mix
Thrash

[skinfan43]

If we actually DO sign Hackett, I'd agree with your list. And I think ARE in the slot would be better than playing him at the #2 like last year, dude is quick and cuts well after the catch.

[shally]

With all the recievers that came through in '07 and with us courting Hackett and the possibility of drafting another WR in April, the position is getting crowded. I'm pretty sure Moss and ARE are locks. Everyone else is on the bubble.

Even if Caldwell gets a contract he might just be camp fodder if we draft a guy or sign Hackett.

Thrash is coming off that high ankle sprain and could get squeezed out by youth.

Mix might not have shown enough to get a roster spot.

Espy has durability issues and lacks size.

Does anyone know how many recievers the WCO teams had?

For my money:
Moss
Hackett
ARE - (but wouldn't Moss be sick in the slot like Welker?)
Mix
Thrash

way too early to make any predictions

let's see who we add in free agency or the draft

and then how they perform at mini camp and OTA's...

[skinfan43]

way too early to make any predictions

let's see who we add in free agency or the draft

and then how they perform at mini camp and OTA's...
Oh c'mon shally, you know it's never to early to play a so-called "expert" commentator:D

[Cutter]

Next we'll have to actually wait until February to predict the super bowl...

Come on man! Who do you THINK it'll be? If you were the GM and got to call it right now - set the roster - who is it and why?

If we don't sign Hacket I think we draft a guy.

I also forgot Caldwell. He should edge out Mix or Thrash. At this point I bet it's Thrash.

[Redskin4Life]

The way VinnyC's been talking about the potential of Mix, I don't think we'll draft anyone if we get Hackett to sign. And Caldwell probably won't get any offers anywhere else so he'll sign with us too.

My guess: We sign Hackett and Caldwell. We don't draft anyone at WR.

Moss
ARE
Hackett
Caldwell
Mix (for ST)
Thrash (for ST)

[chrisbcbu]

Moss (just restructured no chance he is leaving)
Hackett(if signed if not then a high draft pick Sweed perhaps?)
ARE (no chance of going anywhere)
Mix(Cerrato seems to love this guy)
Thrash(Mix could completely beat him out and if we draft a WR with a high pick i could see thrash gone)

[Cutter]

You think we'll keep 6? You think we'll dress 6?

[lonewate44]

I don't think they will keep 6 receivers, and if they did, they would not dress them all. I think receivers will be..

Moss
Hackett or Johnson or high pick receiver
Are
Caldwell
Mix

Thrash would be the 6th receiver, but I don't see them dressing 6 receivers every week.

I would like them to get Hackett or Johnson and then in say the 5th or 6th select Todd Blythe from ISU 6-5 210lbs. He has decent speed on the clock, but..... He is fast on the field, has great hands, can't be out lept for a pass, and is hard to overthrow. had ISU had an Oline and decent qb, he would have put up big numbers and been a 3rd or 4th round pick. He is a vary solid, relieable, player that just seems to get behind the coverage for big plays.

[Redskin4Life]

You think we'll keep 6? You think we'll dress 6?
I'm assuming this comment was towards me? Yea, I think we'll dress 6. The WCO is about having a fast quick hitting offense (so we'll need plenty of bodies to stay fresh). Plus with our injury concerns this past year, we'll need to have a few extra bodies.

Also, Seattle had 6 on their roster all season long.... but of course didn't dress that many. I'd say ONE of these guys is inactive every week.

[Cutter]

We seem to all be thinking:
Moss
Hackett
ARE
Caldwell
Mix
Thrash*(if we keep 6)

Does that mean we don't draft one? If we do, which of those bottom three gets bumped off the roster? Caldwell since it's a developmental WR we're drafting or one of the bottom two because we'd expect him to be a teamer?

[skinsfan36]

ill say
moss
hackett(if)/sweed
are
mix
thrash

caldwell on speeddial

[Cutter]

I like Caldwell on speed dial. I'd rather have James Hardy than Sweed.

[skinsfan36]

I like Caldwell on speed dial. I'd rather have James Hardy than Sweed.

i like hardy to but sweed is the perfect wco wideout

[Cutter]

Hardy is better :) He's at least as big, faster, and not suffering from a year old injury that won't go away.

[dj_stouty]

I still think the FO may make a play on a guy like Boldin or Roy Williams.

Too early to tell; but I'd take Thrash over Caldwell at the bottom of the depth chart regardless...

[Cutter]

I love Thrash. The only reason I have Caldwell over him in my prediction is because of the contract offer.

I really believe the Boldin hype is %100 hype. The cards have no motivation to renegotiate or trade him. *Maybe* RW but there to, I don't see a team throwing away a productive player for nothing. So that's probably hype too.

[Meatsnack]

I think we keep Moss/ARE/Caldwell/Mix/Draftee or FA. Thrash was a Gibbs favorite and Teams ace. He is older and not connected to Lord, err, Coach Zorn. Mix played great teams late in the season. I think he gets the nod over James. Caldwell is a good 3rd receiver, can play in the slot or outside, and can cover a starter for extended stretches.

[skinfanjon]

I think we keep Moss/ARE/Caldwell/Mix/Draftee or FA. Thrash was a Gibbs favorite and Teams ace. He is older and not connected to Lord, err, Coach Zorn. Mix played great teams late in the season. I think he gets the nod over James. Caldwell is a good 3rd receiver, can play in the slot or outside, and can cover a starter for extended stretches.

I agree 100%. I'll miss Thrash, but the time has come.

[colkurtz]

Mix is only a guy with a glimmer of potential. Done nothing in the NFL so far.

DJ Hackett appears gone to greener fields - or at least where they offer him more green.

We still have time in FA to get a decent producer at WR.

We may draft for WR - hope it's at least below the top 2 picks.

[Warpath23]

I like Caldwell on speed dial. I'd rather have James Hardy than Sweed. I really think we can get a good WR later in the draft to fill that void. Like a Mo Purify out of Nebraska whos a sleeper imo.

[RicFlairOne]

Mix is only a guy with a glimmer of potential. Done nothing in the NFL so far.

DJ Hackett appears gone to greener fields - or at least where they offer him more green.

We still have time in FA to get a decent producer at WR.

We may draft for WR - hope it's at least below the top 2 picks.


I feel the same way Hackett will probably end up in Tampa - they have tons of cap space. Mix will be in the Mix due to special teams. I'd also like to see them address WR in round 3. I'd say DL / OL rounds 1 and 2 and then look for a WR. In 2009 we can address WR in 1st round and hopefully Jason will continue to progress.

[Cutter]

Looks like the questions are:
Do we keep 6? (at this point I think yes)
How many dress? (5 because of teams. 6th is for injuries or for a specific match up)
Does Thrash stay on the roster? (I hope so! I have hard time answering this one.)
Who's the additional wide out? (I haven't given up on Hackett yet but it's looking more and more like a drafted player. My vote: Hardy)

[redskin_rich]

Total crapshoot this early but here goes:

1. Moss
2. ARE
3. '08 Draft Pick
4. Caldwell
5. Mix

5 WR's is usually all we carry and if there is a 6th WR, it would likely be because someone is injured. Guessing at who doesn't dress, due to injury, is even more ridiculous than guessing at final rosters in March.

[Cutter]

I didn't ask who would dress, simply how many does Zorn dress for a game.

[redskin_rich]

I didn't ask who would dress, simply how many does Zorn dress for a game.
The answer is 4 or 5, all depending on injuries to whatever position. This is not a question of philosophy, it is simply a game day decision based on who is hurting and may need another player at that position.
The typical active backfield/receivers count will be something like:
2 QB's + 1 Emergency QB (doesn't count on game day actives roster)
3 RB
1-2 FB*
2-3 TE*
4-5 WR

*2nd FB and 3rd TE could be interchangeable (same player).

[Cutter]

I thought Gibbs always dressed 4 regardless of how many were on the roster. If you were injured you'd sit. i thought some other WCO teams dressed more because they ran more 4 or 5 WR sets and needed to have more in case of injury than than 1-3 man sets Gibbs utilized.

[dj_stouty]

i thought some other WCO teams dressed more because they ran more 4 or 5 WR sets and needed to have more in case of injury than than 1-3 man sets Gibbs utilized.

I'm not sure how much Zorn is going to pattern this offense after Holmgren, but I scanned over the gamebooks from all of the Seahawks games last regular season. They had 6 wide receivers on the roster the entire season.

How many of those 6 dressed each week? Games 1-8, Holmgren only dressed 4 each game. Games 9-13, he dressed 5. Weeks 14 and on, the dressed 4 again. I recall Holmgren switching the offense to more passing around mid-season, so that would be the reason why he was dressing 5. And after that he was pretty much a lock to make the playoffs in that crappy division, he pulled back and only dressed 4 again.

The question is; what will Zorn do? Will he want a hybrid scheme that places empahis on running the ball (like they used to do well with Alexander) or will he want to open up the passing game and dress 5 receivers?

Only time will tell, I guess.

[Cutter]

"only time will tell" - I can't wait for the season to start. Oh the drama!

[skinsfan36]

hey theres still tow intriguing guys on the market in tab perry 6"3 and malcolm floyd 6"4. perry intrigues me the most

[lorimike]

I love Thrash. The only reason I have Caldwell over him in my prediction is because of the contract offer.

I really believe the Boldin hype is %100 hype. The cards have no motivation to renegotiate or trade him. *Maybe* RW but there to, I don't see a team throwing away a productive player for nothing. So that's probably hype too.<<<<

I don't think Detroit really wants to trade Roy Williams unless there is a great offer. It would have to be a multiple pick and or player offer. Then we get into trading so much compensation to Detroit for just one player in return that it will hinder our ability to adress needs at OL, DL, LB,S,CB. Having said this Ankhourus' diatribe slamming me begins in 3.....2......1........

[Hr fan]

I think we keep Moss/ARE/Caldwell/Mix/Draftee or FA. Thrash was a Gibbs favorite and Teams ace. He is older and not connected to Lord, err, Coach Zorn. Mix played great teams late in the season. I think he gets the nod over James. Caldwell is a good 3rd receiver, can play in the slot or outside, and can cover a starter for extended stretches.

Picked up my thoughts, or me yours. ARE and Moss aren't going elswewhere, and Mix = Thrash on specials with real red zone potential. Caldwell showed 1st down potential (open and beyond the marker). We don't seem to be chasing Hackett hard, maybe because of injury history. Maybe he's a piece of the puzzle but not a top 3. So the 3rd of the top 3 could easily be a draftee. I can only hope that the O and D lines and CB have been addressed before WR.

[skinsfan36]

Picked up my thoughts, or me yours. ARE and Moss aren't going elswewhere, and Mix = Thrash on specials with real red zone potential. Caldwell showed 1st down potential (open and beyond the marker). We don't seem to be chasing Hackett hard, maybe because of injury history. Maybe he's a piece of the puzzle but not a top 3. So the 3rd of the top 3 could easily be a draftee. I can only hope that the O and D lines and CB have been addressed before WR.

caldwell can be pretty good after the catch jsut seemed like he was running ALOT of out patterns

[coffdogg]

First of all I don't think we sign D. Hackett. He was not happy with our offer and I heard there were 3 teams wanting a chance to match or better our offer. I also don't believe the C. Johnson thing is dead. Thrash makes almost a Million so we can get a cheaper option for Special Teams. So here are my views.

S. Moss / C.Johnson
ARE S.Moss
Draft Receiver in 1st or 2nd / OR ARE
Caldwell / Caldwell
Mix / Mix
Espy / Espy


I think history has shown that usually want Danny wants Danny gets as far as CJ.

[Counter Trey]

If the Chad Johnson thing is going to happen, it'll probably be close to the draft if not draft day. I for one hope it doesn't, but who knows... it's always quietest before the storm. Barring a trade, I think this will be our WR corps.
1) S. Moss
2) Draft Pick
3) Randle El
4) Caldwell
5) Mix/ FA ST player

I think Thrash might be gone due to his vet min salary is too high. Not sure if he's a West Coast reciever... he didn't really light things up running the WC in Philly either if my memory serves me right.

[redwolf1218]

after Moss and El, it's up for grabs. i hope Mix pans out, at least he's big.

[Cutter]

After watching NFL network, I'm not against Devin Thomas. He might be more worthy of a 1st than Hardy. But I like the idea of DRC/McKelvin/Jenkins in the first and Hardy in the 2nd (or Safetey, LB, DE or DT)

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I think this will be our WR's for 2008,

1. Santana Moss
2. Limas Sweed
3. Antwan Randle El
4. Anthony Mix
5. James Thrash

I bet the Reche Caldwell signs somewhere else, to get more time. Espy was cut, Mix and Thrash are very good ST players.

As much as I want to make our 1st round pick a DE, I feel like they will go for the best big receiver on the board. Looks like Kelly will be gone. Our last 1st round WRs have not done too well.

[Cutter]

Who do you think is interested in giving him more money than the Redskins are offering? I'm pretty sure he's viewed around the league as support player rather than a starter.

My most updated list:
Moss
Draft pick (D. Thomas[1st] or J. Hardy[2nd])
ARE
Mix
Thrash

They could also not draft a guy and sign Caldwell believing they have a guy in Mix.

[Redskin4Life]

The more I think about it and the stuff Zorn and VinnyC's been saying lately about our WR corps... I see our WR Corp looking like this next year:

SMoss
Caldwell
ARE
Mix
Thrash
one of the guys in camp now as depth, ST (Billy McMullen comes to mind)

SMoss, Caldwell, ARE, Mix and Thrash will be active on gamedays.

[coffdogg]

The more I think about it and the stuff Zorn and VinnyC's been saying lately about our WR corps... I see our WR Corp looking like this next year:

SMoss
Caldwell
ARE
Mix
Thrash
one of the guys in camp now as depth, ST (Billy McMullen comes to mind)

SMoss, Caldwell, ARE, Mix and Thrash will be active on gamedays.I still think thrash's spot could be taken ny someone who doesn't count almost 1 mill. against the cap. I love Thrash but he is viable as ST player only now and makes too much for that designation alone.

[Redskinmayhem]

If the Chad Johnson thing is going to happen, it'll probably be close to the draft if not draft day. I for one hope it doesn't, but who knows... it's always quietest before the storm. Barring a trade, I think this will be our WR corps.
1) S. Moss
2) Draft Pick
3) Randle El
4) Caldwell
5) Mix/ FA ST player

I think Thrash might be gone due to his vet min salary is too high. Not sure if he's a West Coast reciever... he didn't really light things up running the WC in Philly either if my memory serves me right.

I don't ever recall thrash being any more than a ~65 catch a year guy in Philly. and that was as the #1/flanker.

[Cutter]

Vets have incentives to count less against the cap. While he costs about a million I think he only counts 650k against the cap. I think Thrash is worth a $650k cap charge.

The more I think about it the more it's Caldwell vs. Draft pick vs. Blockbuster trade. It'd be nice if Mix turned into our #2 and he could be a 60 catch/year guy.

[silverspring]

The more I think about it and the stuff Zorn and VinnyC's been saying lately about our WR corps... I see our WR Corp looking like this next year:

SMoss
Caldwell
ARE
Mix
Thrash
one of the guys in camp now as depth, ST (Billy McMullen comes to mind)

SMoss, Caldwell, ARE, Mix and Thrash will be active on gamedays.

We could also see the status quo with a late round wr draft pick like

Moss
ARE
Caldwell
Mix
Marcus Monk

[Redskin4Life]

I still think thrash's spot could be taken ny someone who doesn't count almost 1 mill. against the cap. I love Thrash but he is viable as ST player only now and makes too much for that designation alone.
Vets with the number of years he has in the league allows the Redskins to get a reduction on his cap number. He'll cost about half of what he's getting paid by them against the cap. So his cap number isn't a concern.

[Cutter]

We could also see the status quo with a late round wr draft pick like

Moss
ARE
Caldwell
Mix
Marcus Monk

They could draft Monk and keep Thrash. They could chop off their balls and become the first womens team :moon2:

Is this what you think will happen? I'm looking for slightly informed (mostly uninformed) predictions or reasonably arguable requests! Then tell us why :)

[silverspring]

They draft Monk and keep Thrash. They could chop off their balls and become the first womens team :moon2:

Is this what you think will happen? I'm looking for slightly informed (mostly uninformed) predictions or reasonably arguable requests! Then tell us why :)

I never said we would keep thrash. I think he is on the border, he is starting to get old but his contributions on special teams really helps his case. However I think mix will take over that role and he certainly showed that he could produce on special teams last year.

Santana and ARE are the only given. I believe caldwell will eventuall accept the vet minimum or close to offer we made to him. I think mix takes over thrash's spot. So more than likely that leaves one spot. I think several things could happen still.

I wouldn't be surprised if we picked up Chad Johnson, I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted someone in the first round or as i pitched i wouldn't be surprised if we stuck with the guys we got and got a late round guy like marcus monk.

[Lavar703]

Hardy is better :) He's at least as big, faster, and not suffering from a year old injury that won't go away.

Hardy is a good reciever but he is not in the same league as Sweed

[Cutter]

When I see Sweed, I see Mike Williams.

[skinsfan36]

well caldwell is visiting bitter bear face al saunders with the rams today(so is macklin)

[redwolf1218]

Moss and El. that's it so far.

[Skins7ny]

It will be really hard to predict until April 29, but here goes"
1-Santana Moss-crossroads year for him. Needs to stay healthy and perform.
2-Limas Sweed-it is becoming pretty clear that we are going to spend a 1st or a 2nd on a WR. If not Sweed, then Hardy or Manningham.
3-Antwaan Randle-El-should be a good slot receiver if he stays healthy, but he probably cannot take the pounding inside.
4-Anthony Mix-makes the team if he shows anything. We need his size in the WCO.
5-James Thrash-if Reche Caldwell re-signs, he may bump Thrash, but Zorn may want to keep Thrash around for the same reasons Gibbs did.

Given Zorn's emphasis on building our passing game, don't be surprised to see us use a 2nd draft pick on a WR who may bump Mix or Thrash off the roster. I don't think they will keep 6, but they should if the talent level in camp warrants it. It certainly doesn't so far.

[bergiemoore]

Caldwell is now out of the equation, as PFT announced that he has signed with the Rams.

[Cutter]

Caldwell is gone?
Who do you think is interested in giving him more money than the Redskins are offering? I'm pretty sure he's viewed around the league as support player rather than a starter.

My most updated list:
Moss
Draft pick (D. Thomas[1st] or J. Hardy[2nd])
ARE
Mix
Thrash

They could also not draft a guy and sign Caldwell believing they have a guy in Mix.

Looks like I'm closer to being right! (I think I might rather have OG Brandon Albert, but what can you do? :shrug:)