Post comp. picks mock

[Lavar703]

RIP Heath Benedict

RD 1. Limas Sweed WR Texas- Big, physical Wideout who is needed in our new offense. Would seem like a great target for Campbell and could really impress his rookie year.

RD 2. Lawrence Jackson DE USC- I think he may end up being the best Defensive end in this class, great compliment for Andre Carter.

RD 3. Dajuan Morgan S NC State- Great player with an amazing motor, would be a great player next to Landry.

RD 3.Andrew Crummey G MD- Just an all-around player, doesnt have great athleticism, but plays with a mean streak.

RD 5. Mike Hart RB MICH- One of my favorite players in the draft and i think he would be an absolute steal and would be an excellent compliment to Clinton Portis. Bye Bye Ladell Betts

RD 6. Glenn Sharpe CB MIA- Good size corner with great speed. Really underachieved at Miami but with some work may blossom into the player he was supposed to be.

RD 7. Dennis Dixon QB ORE- This is a luxury pick since he should have been a first round talent if injuries didnt kill his amazing season. Incredible talent who could play a number of positions.

RD 7. Vince Hall ILB VT- Is really falling down draft boards because of his injury plagued season, would be a monster of a steal in the seventh round.

RD 7.Shannon Boatman OT FSU- Talented player who could help with our need for quality back ups on our offensive line.

Well thats it fellas, let me know what you think, as always im open to criticism.

[Patrick]

As much as I like Crummey - I think he'll be around till the 5th or 6th round.
I really think they'll target a QB with that second 3rd round pick.

[warpaint]

i think we could do a lot better than sweed with the first round pick.

[lorimike]

i think we could do a lot better than sweed with the first round pick.<<<<

I think our value is going to be in trading down by the time we pick. There is not a whole lot of difference in this draft between pick # 21 and pick# 35. There are a couple guys who if they are there at pick # 21 I would snag. Derrick Harvey, Dominique Rogers Cromartie, Brandon Albert. Devin Thomas would not be a bad pick. A trade down into the top of the 2nd and nabbing James Hardy would make me happy.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

i think we could do a lot better than sweed with the first round pick.

I agree. I don't like any WR in RD1. The rest of the draft is pretty good though.

[3Taylor6]

i would love to get mike hart in the 5th but i think he would be better suited for a team like denver that used the zone blocking scheme like hart did in college

[fent]

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I think our value is going to be in trading down by the time we pick. There is not a whole lot of difference in this draft between pick # 21 and pick# 35. There are a couple guys who if they are there at pick # 21 I would snag. Derrick Harvey, Dominique Rogers Cromartie, Brandon Albert. Devin Thomas would not be a bad pick. A trade down into the top of the 2nd and nabbing James Hardy would make me happy.

i like hardy's potential as well, but we'd have to get a heckuva deal to drop out of 21 and take him. he runs poor routes, a BIG no no in the WCO, and he drops passes he shouldn't. with some work he could be a beast, but he's not a natural pick for our new offense, and i don't know that Zorn or the FO could justify taking a guy that doesn't naturally fit their offense as their first player taken in the draft.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Well it seems everybody and there momma says taking a WR in RD one would be stupid including Vinny himself. So I expect a trade down unless a stud DL or CB trickles to #21.

[fent]

Well it seems everybody and there momma says taking a WR in RD one would be stupid including Vinny himself. So I expect a trade down unless a stud trickles to #21.

i think if Sweed is there you could make a case that he's worth that pick. the same could be said for Kelly IF (and it's a big if) his knees check out. but other than that, no one really does it for me.

[Lavar703]

I agree. I don't like any WR in RD1. The rest of the draft is pretty good though.

If Sweed had not injured his wrist he would have been a top ten pick, hes worth the 21st pick, i would much rather have derrick harvey but he will not be available.

[Lavar703]

Well it seems everybody and there momma says taking a WR in RD one would be stupid including Vinny himself. So I expect a trade down unless a stud DL or CB trickles to #21.

When did Vinny say that? Vinny also said were fine at DL, do you believe that also.

[Lavar703]

i would love to get mike hart in the 5th but i think he would be better suited for a team like denver that used the zone blocking scheme like hart did in college

Doesnt Zorn run a similar offense to Denver, atleast thats what Clinton Portis said.

[Lavar703]

i think we could do a lot better than sweed with the first round pick.

Who else do you think will be available that will have more value than Sweed? not being a sarcastic, I really want to know

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

When did Vinny say that? Vinny also said were fine at DL, do you believe that also.

He actually said there was too much WR talent available in rds 2 and 3.

[skinsfan36]

He actually said there was too much WR talent available in rds 2 and 3.

but if sweed is at 21 we pull the trigger imo

[Poindexter]

Who else do you think will be available that will have more value than Sweed? not being a sarcastic, I really want to know

I think Brandon Alberts, Kenny Phillips & Derrick Harvey all have more value than Limas Sweed.

Sweed could end up being another Dwyane Jarrett. The WR position is hard to draft and I don't think the skins take the risk.

Alberts can play both tackle & guard....with out injuries we need that. Phillips is a very safe pick, he is physical and athletic, not a lot of bust at the safety position & Harvey is mean, physical & experienced.

[whitskins]

I think Brandon Alberts, Kenny Phillips & Derrick Harvey all have more value than Limas Sweed.

Sweed could end up being another Dwyane Jarrett. The WR position is hard to draft and I don't think the skins take the risk.

Alberts can play both tackle & guard....with out injuries we need that. Phillips is a very safe pick, he is physical and athletic, not a lot of bust at the safety position & Harvey is mean, physical & experienced.

Albert I would be happy with. His versatility is a big plus and he would give us tremendous depth along the OL whether he played as a starter or a backup to start his career.

I haven't seen any recent mock that has Harvey falling to pick 21. And drafting a safety in round one would be a huge mistake. We have at least four major needs (DL, OL, WR, CB) that are way more pressing. If Phillips is the BPA at that spot then we should be able to trade out considering how shallow this draft is at the safety spot.

But safety is not a day one need for us, IMO. Laron is ready to join the elite at FS and Doughty is a smart and tough player who could fill in nicely as a SS. If not, then gamble on a guy in the later rounds to compete with him there.

I'd be very happy with Sweed as well. All the measurables of a #1 WR, big game experience, and his injury concerns are hardly at the level of a guy like Kelly. WR is tough to predict, but so is DL, and both are big needs. To fill a need you have to roll the dice, the draft is an inexact science at any position.

Considering that we've made almost no effort to bolster our below average WR unit, it's pretty obvious to me that a day one pick is going to be spent on a WR. Sweed would fit the bill, but I think Jordy Nelson would make a great Skin as well if we choose to take a lineman in round one.

[warpaint]

i like hardy's potential as well, but we'd have to get a heckuva deal to drop out of 21 and take him. he runs poor routes, a BIG no no in the WCO, and he drops passes he shouldn't. with some work he could be a beast, but he's not a natural pick for our new offense, and i don't know that Zorn or the FO could justify taking a guy that doesn't naturally fit their offense as their first player taken in the draft.

like hardy as well, would love to see atlanta trade up with us for 21,in return we get their 2 second round picks. know the value is higher on the two second round picks but who can say if someone was there that atlanta really likes.

[warpaint]

i think if Sweed is there you could make a case that he's worth that pick. the same could be said for Kelly IF (and it's a big if) his knees check out. but other than that, no one really does it for me.

fent we all have a right to our opinion ,but so i can understand where you are coming from please explain to me how someone with a total of 105 receptions for a total of 1,609 yards and 17 total touchdowns makes them worth the 21st
pick ??

[lorimike]

i like hardy's potential as well, but we'd have to get a heckuva deal to drop out of 21 and take him. he runs poor routes, a BIG no no in the WCO, and he drops passes he shouldn't. with some work he could be a beast, but he's not a natural pick for our new offense, and i don't know that Zorn or the FO could justify taking a guy that doesn't naturally fit their offense as their first player taken in the draft.
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I watched Hardy in the game against Penn State. Justin King was " covering " him and Hardy had 14 catches. But other than that one game that is all I watched him. On that particular day he certainly looked the part of a dominant NFL receiver.

[shally]

I think Brandon Alberts, Kenny Phillips & Derrick Harvey all have more value than Limas Sweed.

Sweed could end up being another Dwyane Jarrett. The WR position is hard to draft and I don't think the skins take the risk.

Alberts can play both tackle & guard....with out injuries we need that. Phillips is a very safe pick, he is physical and athletic, not a lot of bust at the safety position & Harvey is mean, physical & experienced.

or sweed could be another plaxico... risk both ways.. think what the giants would be like with PB ?

[Skins7ny]

Every player comes with some risk. Some guys are healthy throughout their college career and cannot stay healthy in the pros. I agree we are in a position where we have to make safe choices with our 9 picks-no projects, no special teamers (unless Durant Brooks falls to round 6 or 7, which he won't), no character risks, etc. WRs and DEs both are positions with high failure rates-does that mean that we should wait until round 3 to fill those positions? No, that is why we pay scouts and Vinny to take a player at one of those positions and have it be the right guy. If Vinny is scared to make the choice at a position of need because of the perceived risk, he is in the wrong job. Was Beathard ever scared to make a pick? Or even Casserly for that matter? I know that Cerrato does not have Beathard's margin for error (with the fans, at least), but he cannot be afraid to make the pick. In the past, I have gotten the vibe from the FO that they are afraid to make picks outside of the top 10, and prefer known quantities (veterans), which is why they made those trades and did the "restricted free agent" strategy of several years ago. Hopefully, that was not the case, or if it was, it no longer is. Hopefully, Vinny is looking forward to this draft as much as we all are, and won't be afraid to make the choices he feels are the right ones. The slate is clean, and he gets the benefit of the doubt, in my eyes.

[HanburgerBum]

If Sweed had not injured his wrist he would have been a top ten pick, hes worth the 21st pick, i would much rather have derrick harvey but he will not be available.


I am with Warpaint and Winnepeg on this one.

Not sure what you base your theory that LS would be a top 10 pick if not for his wrist injury on. He has had mediocre production in college.

As for the injury, it is one thing if a proven player gets hurt, it is entirely another matter when a prospect has such concerns. A team would be gambling not only that he can play at this level, but that he can stay healthy.

Further, Mike Mayock of NFL Network has opined that there is not a single WR with a first round grade in this draft. Conversely, most pundits feel that there are a number of worthy WR prospects in rounds 2-4.

And, the Skins have many holes other than WR (e.g. Dline, CB, Oline).

Taken all that into consideration, I think it would be pretty hard to defend the pick of Sweed at No. 21 when we can get a similar WR prospect in a later round.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

I am with Warpaint and Winnepeg on this one.

Not sure what you base your theory that LS would be a top 10 pick if not for his wrist injury on. He has had mediocre production in college.

As for the injury, it is one thing if a proven player gets hurt, it is entirely another matter when a prospect has such concerns. A team would be gambling not only that he can play at this level, but that he can stay healthy.

Further, Mike Mayock of NFL Network has opined that there is not a single WR with a first round grade in this draft. Conversely, most pundits feel that there are a number of worthy WR prospects in rounds 2-4.

And, the Skins have many holes other than WR (e.g. Dline, CB, Oline).

Taken all that into consideration, I think it would be pretty hard to defend the pick of Sweed at No. 21 when we can get a similar WR prospect in a later round.

I'm with you here. Seems like good WRs have largely come from later rounds and smaller schools in the past. Id look at one of the 3rds for a WR.

[warpaint]

I am with Warpaint and Winnepeg on this one.

Not sure what you base your theory that LS would be a top 10 pick if not for his wrist injury on. He has had mediocre production in college.

As for the injury, it is one thing if a proven player gets hurt, it is entirely another matter when a prospect has such concerns. A team would be gambling not only that he can play at this level, but that he can stay healthy.

Further, Mike Mayock of NFL Network has opined that there is not a single WR with a first round grade in this draft. Conversely, most pundits feel that there are a number of worthy WR prospects in rounds 2-4.

And, the Skins have many holes other than WR (e.g. Dline, CB, Oline).

Taken all that into consideration, I think it would be pretty hard to defend the pick of Sweed at No. 21 when we can get a similar WR prospect in a later round.

calvin johnson last years top receiver and someone many here considered superman finished the year with 48 receptions, 756 yards with four touchdowns, if the person with best ever label was only able to put up these numbers then what in the world could we expect of sweed,or most of the others now projected of being drafted in the first round, we may need a big wide receiver ,but i agree with you lets try to get in later rounds and not waste our 21 pick.

[Lavar703]

calvin johnson last years top receiver and someone many here considered superman finished the year with 48 receptions, 756 yards with four touchdowns, if the person with best ever label was only able to put up these numbers then what in the world could we expect of sweed,or most of the others now projected of being drafted in the first round, we may need a big wide receiver ,but i agree with you lets try to get in later rounds and not waste our 21 pick.

I love how you say "waste the pick", isnt every player a gamble, why is one that much more than the other? Reggie Bush was considered a cant miss prospect and has been anything but that.

[lorimike]

I love how you say "waste the pick", isnt every player a gamble, why is one that much more than the other? Reggie Bush was considered a cant miss prospect and has been anything but that.<<<

Casserly seems like he made the better pick in taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.

[skinsfan36]

as far as these wrs go i think thomas could be the best of them with sweed a close 2nd thomas is very physical which would be great for the skins

[lorimike]

Here's a mock that might hit most of our needs and to me it seem realistic these players could be there when we pick. Even in this scenario there is no answer for Receiver or Offensive line. I'm hoping we trade down in round 1 and can get a another 3rd rounder for doing so.

Round 1- CB Dominque Rogers Cromartie Tennessee State
Round 2- DE Lawrence Jackson USC Or DE Calais Campbell Miami
Round 3- DT Dre Moore Maryland or DT Trevor Laws Notre Dame
Round 3- OLB-DE- Shawn Crable or SS Josh Barret Arizona

[Warpath23]

Here's a mock that might hit most of our needs and to me it seem realistic these players could be there when we pick. Even in this scenario there is no answer for Receiver or Offensive line. I'm hoping we trade down in round 1 and can get a another 3rd rounder for doing so.

Round 1- CB Dominque Rogers Cromartie Tennessee State
Round 2- DE Lawrence Jackson USC Or DE Calais Campbell Miami
Round 3- DT Dre Moore Maryland or DT Trevor Laws Notre Dame
Round 3- OLB-DE- Shawn Crable or SS Josh Barret Arizona That would be a great draft but I dont think Cromartie & Jackson will be around when the Skins select in the 1st & 2nd rounds...

Rd 1 is looking like a value pick whether its a WR or OL now
Rd 2 should he a DE or CB IMO
Rd 3 picks should be a LB & S

Would love it Harvey fell to us but other than him or Cromarite I dont see anyone other than Devin Thomas or the OL from VA being a good valuable pick at those draft positions.....

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

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I watched Hardy in the game against Penn State. Justin King was " covering " him and Hardy had 14 catches. But other than that one game that is all I watched him. On that particular day he certainly looked the part of a dominant NFL receiver.

I saw Hardy in Indiana's bowl game and he stunk. Dropped passes, and he had close coverage all day - couldn't separate. Apparently he has some character concerns as well. I wouldn't touch him until the third round. Someone will probably draft him earlier than the 3rd due to his measurables.

No WR really excites me and Vinny was quoted on redskins.com as saying that WRs are strong in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. I hope that isn't blowing smoke and remember that on draft day.

[skinsfan36]

I saw Hardy in Indiana's bowl game and he stunk. Dropped passes, and he had close coverage all day - couldn't separate. Apparently he has some character concerns as well. I wouldn't touch him until the third round. Someone will probably draft him earlier than the 3rd due to his measurables.

No WR really excites me and Vinny was quoted on redskins.com as saying that WRs are strong in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. I hope that isn't blowing smoke and remember that on draft day.

well its a true statement
caldwell-rd 2
doucet-rd 2
hardy-rd 2
simpson-rd 3
bennett-2nd/3rd
nelson-3rd
manningham-late 2nd/3rd
someone should slip factoring in 3 teams take a wr in rd 1 (sweed,kelly,thomas)

[Lavar703]

Here's a mock that might hit most of our needs and to me it seem realistic these players could be there when we pick. Even in this scenario there is no answer for Receiver or Offensive line. I'm hoping we trade down in round 1 and can get a another 3rd rounder for doing so.

Round 1- CB Dominque Rogers Cromartie Tennessee State
Round 2- DE Lawrence Jackson USC Or DE Calais Campbell Miami
Round 3- DT Dre Moore Maryland or DT Trevor Laws Notre Dame
Round 3- OLB-DE- Shawn Crable or SS Josh Barret Arizona

I read some about Cromartie and it seemed like he wasnt even considered a good prospect until the senior bowl, and that he was beaten pretty often by division II recievers.

[Cutter]

That's true. But if you saw him in senior bowl prac tice and the game, you became a believer.

[shally]

I read some about Cromartie and it seemed like he wasnt even considered a good prospect until the senior bowl, and that he was beaten pretty often by division II recievers.

really more of an unknown than anything else

That's true. But if you saw him in senior bowl prac tice and the game, you became a believer.


well, the issue now is that he only has one kidney.. that is a serious issue in a collision sport like football. not unusual for players to get bruised kidneys with violent hits.. if he damages his one, it could be a career ender.

that will be heavily factored and he may slide because of it. he is clearly a medical risk

[Cutter]

If he was WR I'd be more worried. You're less likely to bruise a kidney when delivering a hit than you are when taking one. I'd love for the world to pass him up to us at 21. I just don't see it happening.

[HanburgerBum]

really more of an unknown than anything else




well, the issue now is that he only has one kidney.. that is a serious issue in a collision sport like football. not unusual for players to get bruised kidneys with violent hits.. if he damages his one, it could be a career ender.

that will be heavily factored and he may slide because of it. he is clearly a medical risk


One kidney? How did that happen? That is a downer. I would think the Skins would have to do some serious soul-searching before spending a first rounder on a position player with just one kidney.

[shally]

One kidney? How did that happen? That is a downer. I would think the Skins would have to do some serious soul-searching before spending a first rounder on a position player with just one kidney.

congenital.. he was born with only one... it is not that rare a condition. but it would be a major red flag because, potentially, one bad hit could end his career

now you can take the position that he has played for years with this condition and has done just fine. that is certainly true. but the level of violence is higher in the nfl. the players are bigger and faster and the collisions have more impact.

plus, if we are talking about a first round pick, potentially a high one, there is a lot of money at risk. some teams are going to shy away because of that..

[shally]

If he was WR I'd be more worried. You're less likely to bruise a kidney when delivering a hit than you are when taking one. I'd love for the world to pass him up to us at 21. I just don't see it happening.

all true.. but when it comes down to a choice between players of roughly equal ability, teams are likely to avoid the medical risk. someone may get a great deal or some team may get a player with a short career.. it comes down to chance

[Lavar703]

If he was WR I'd be more worried. You're less likely to bruise a kidney when delivering a hit than you are when taking one. I'd love for the world to pass him up to us at 21. I just don't see it happening.

Why would you want him? he was dominated by division II recievers. If his last name wasnt Cromartie this wouldnt be an issue and this guy would have been just another division II player.

[skinsfan36]

drc could always play corner like deion avoid all contact like the plague lol

[redskin_rich]

congenital.. he was born with only one... it is not that rare a condition. but it would be a major red flag because, potentially, one bad hit could end his career

now you can take the position that he has played for years with this condition and has done just fine. that is certainly true. but the level of violence is higher in the nfl. the players are bigger and faster and the collisions have more impact.

plus, if we are talking about a first round pick, potentially a high one, there is a lot of money at risk. some teams are going to shy away because of that..
I have not seen Rogers-Cromartie play but reading up on him, he sounds like a surefire stud. Size, speed, natural instincts, he sounds like the total package and CB is one of those positions, like RB, where you either got it or you don't, regardless of level of competition. Remember our own small college CB that is going to be inducted into the HOF this year. Not comparing, just sayin...

As far as the one kidney goes, we also only have one neck, one spine, one brain, one heart, one liver... Kidney damage is pretty rare on the football field. and I wouldn't even worry about this, since it hasn't hampered him in any way.

[shally]

I have not seen Rogers-Cromartie play but reading up on him, he sounds like a surefire stud. Size, speed, natural instincts, he sounds like the total package and CB is one of those positions, like RB, where you either got it or you don't, regardless of level of competition. Remember our own small college CB that is going to be inducted into the HOF this year. Not comparing, just sayin...

As far as the one kidney goes, we also only have one neck, one spine, one brain, one heart, one liver... Kidney damage is pretty rare on the football field. and I wouldn't even worry about this, since it hasn't hampered him in any way.

lots of guys come into the nfl with medical questions.. some it affects, some it doesnt

and saying that players dont get kidney damage is absolutely not true.. guys have blood in the urine more than is admitted.. with mri's and ct scans that type of stuff is picked up

bad enough with 2 kidneys, but with only one ? just thinking about dialysis is enough to get your head turned around.. very scary stuff

[lorimike]

I read some about Cromartie and it seemed like he wasnt even considered a good prospect until the senior bowl, and that he was beaten pretty often by division II recievers.
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Well hopefully our draft genius Vinny is watching the football tape as well. You know what concerns me is that yesterday, at USC's pro day ,every team in the NFL had people there except Washington and Denver. I know we have no shot at drafting Sedrick Ellis but they had 25 different players working out there. Shouldn't we have had a team contigent there?

[warpaint]

I love how you say "waste the pick", isnt every player a gamble, why is one that much more than the other? Reggie Bush was considered a cant miss prospect and has been anything but that.

i use the word waste based on the receivers we have drafted , excluding monk who i think was a running back, i cant think of any wide receiver the redskins have drafted in last 25 years that was any good. could be wrong about this though. i agree all picks are a gamble to some extent, but with us it is almost a sure thing. although i agree with your thoughts on reggie bush ,but the jury is still out on him .(sure thing with the receivers we draft)

[Moe]

Why would you want him? he was dominated by division II recievers. If his last name wasnt Cromartie this wouldnt be an issue and this guy would have been just another division II player.

While the Cromartie name isn't hurting him, I think it's more of a case of his 40 time increasing his stock. I can't say I know anything about him aside from what I've read, but I'm not sold that he's worth drafting as high as most seem to think. The league is rife with really fast guys that can't play, combine that with his limited level of competition and the knock that he's not terribly physical (seems to be a common negative in most breakdowns regarding him) then I don't see what all the hype is about. Assuming Blache is going to run a similar D to what we've been seeing then we can't discount the premium put on CB's who are strong run supporters and solid tacklers.
I suppose he's the teaser of the CB crop this year, but it seems like a big gamble for this team to take when they really need to hit their high picks.

[Cutter]

Because I watched the senior bowl practices and the game. He was excellent there against the best seniors. Blowing up the combine was just bonus. That just proved what we already know - that he's physically gifted. The senior bowl practices and the game showed me he was VERY coachable when coached by NFL level coaches. So he's a bit raw. So he didn't have to play against much in college. I believe he will develop into an excellent corner. He's the next Champ Bailey in my eyes.

[akhhorus]

Because I watched the senior bowl practices and the game. He was excellent there against the best seniors. Blowing up the combine was just bonus. That just proved what we already know - that he's physically gifted. The senior bowl practices and the game showed me he was VERY coachable when coached by NFL level coaches. So he's a bit raw. So he didn't have to play against much in college. I believe he will develop into an excellent corner. He's the next Champ Bailey in my eyes.

And yet: another small school CB is considered far and away the better CB prospect than him. I think he's probably closer to Fred Smoot than Champ, Champ wasn't afraid to hit someone--at least here in DC--but the book on DRC is that he tries to avoid the big hit and doesn't contribute much in run support. You can't play CB in the NFL-especially now with the rules on force outs-without being physical.

[redskin_rich]

And yet: another small school CB is considered far and away the better CB prospect than him. I think he's probably closer to Fred Smoot than Champ, Champ wasn't afraid to hit someone--at least here in DC--but the book on DRC is that he tries to avoid the big hit and doesn't contribute much in run support. You can't play CB in the NFL-especially now with the rules on force outs-without being physical.

Huh? Smoot is a much more aggressive tackler than Champ ever has been.

[akhhorus]

Huh? Smoot is a much more aggressive tackler than Champ ever has been.

Maybe now, Champ's turned into a matador in Denver. But Champ was always the tackler, and Smoot was the matador here in DC.

[Cutter]

The knock on DRC was that he wasn't physical. He was physical at the senior bowl. I'll admit that I didn't watch him all season. All I saw was him at senior bowl week. But there, he was clearly the man with the most talent and upside. He came up and hit against the run game. He was physical against recievers. The only bad thing he did all week was muff a kick off. McKelvin was obviously the most ready to play right now. He got his hands from the same store Carlos Rogers got his.

[akhhorus]

The knock on DRC was that he wasn't physical. He was physical at the senior bowl. I'll admit that I didn't watch him all season. All I saw was him at senior bowl week. But there, he was clearly the man with the most talent and upside. He came up and hit against the run game. He was physical against recievers. The only bad thing he did all week was muff a kick off. McKelvin was obviously the most ready to play right now. He got his hands from the same store Carlos Rogers got his.

DRC had some decent hits in the Senior Bowl, but if he answered those questions at the Senior bowl, the pundits wouldn't still be saying the same things about him.

And all I've heard about McKelvin is that he has great hands.

[Keino]

Huh? Smoot is a much more aggressive tackler than Champ ever has been.

No way Rich. At least when Champ played for us, he was one of the more aggressive run supporting CBs in the game.

[Cutter]

Mayock agrees with me about McKelvin :doh:

I think all the pundits are going back to DRC's game tape. I don't have access to those. All I really can judge is what I've personally seen. He was great for the week I watched him.

Do they really hate DRC so much? If they hate on DRC, why do they all have him being drafted in the top 20?

[redskin_rich]

No way Rich. At least when Champ played for us, he was one of the more aggressive run supporting CBs in the game.

Perhaps I have blocked anything positive about Champ from my mind but regardless, I have never seen Smoot play like a "matador." I have always respected his toughness, especially when he was making hits with a seperated shoulder back when he only weighed a buck 75, a few years back.

[akhhorus]

Mayock agrees with me about McKelvin :doh:

So? I must have missed when Mike Mayock is the end all of draft pundits. He's also saying that there's no WR worthy of a first round pick, which is ridiculous.

I think all the pundits are going back to DRC's game tape. I don't have access to those. All I really can judge is what I've personally seen. He was great for the week I watched him.

One week doesn't change seasons of play.

Do they really hate DRC so much? If they hate on DRC, why do they all have him being drafted in the top 20?

Huh? Why is pointing out his flaws "hating" on him? He is what he is.

[Moe]

Because I watched the senior bowl practices and the game. He was excellent there against the best seniors. Blowing up the combine was just bonus. That just proved what we already know - that he's physically gifted. The senior bowl practices and the game showed me he was VERY coachable when coached by NFL level coaches. So he's a bit raw. So he didn't have to play against much in college. I believe he will develop into an excellent corner. He's the next Champ Bailey in my eyes.

Credit to him for stepping up when it mattered <cough> Calais Campbell<cough> but one weeks worth of production shouldn't be the end-all, be-all assessment of the guy, especially considering the cost. I personally take more stock in what a guy does over the course of his college career than over a small sampling of limited activity. His natural ability might've been impressive in the Senior Bowl, but let's not forget that cobbling together players for a few days of practice and expecting an offense to hum is asking a lot. I'm not trying to knock him, really, I have never seen him play, but all of this late stage hype just raises my b.s. meter a few levels.

[Cutter]

Senior bowl week is my entire DRC universe. I haven't seen all this tape and I've never seen a clip of him that was bad. If you've got something on youtube or the like I'd be happy to see it. Heck, I'd like to see it so I'm not so bitter he didn't fall to us.

Pointing out flaws is hating on him. It's like calling a girl fat. She is what she is right? He's no fat chick and will certainly be a first round draft pick.

I've only seen the senior bowl and NFL network. So if they weren't there, I have no opinion of them. As for the boys that were there, I feel strongly about LM and DRC - I like them. The others might be okay. The others might be excellent. I'm just not sold on them and wouldn't invest a high draft pick on any of the other Senior Bowl players. The lads that weren't there I simply must reserve judgement and hope our front office has watched more about them than I.

What I like about the senior bowl is what I like about the combine. I can put them in the same situation and see who does better. It's hard to judge players from different teams playing against different opponents. Get them all on the same field with the same coaches and see who rises to the challenge. DRC did that. Ellis did that. McKelvin did that. That QB from TN showed he had some savy (though I wouldn't dream of drafting him high).

[Cutter]

As for his whole career, none of us have watched the tape on DRC. I'm hearing 2nd or even 3rd hand reports of his play here. I'd have to see it for myself to judge his career. Hopefully, our FO does that on everyone we're really considering at 21.

[akhhorus]

Senior bowl week is my entire DRC universe. I haven't seen all this tape and I've never seen a clip of him that was bad. If you've got something on youtube or the like I'd be happy to see it. Heck, I'd like to see it so I'm not so bitter he didn't fall to us.

I'll trust the pundits who have seen those tapes and say he's not physical, nor does he like to hit.

Pointing out flaws is hating on him. It's like calling a girl fat. She is what she is right? He's no fat chick and will certainly be a first round draft pick.

What are you? 12 years old? Why are you taking criticizing a draft prospect so personally?

I've only seen the senior bowl and NFL network. So if they weren't there, I have no opinion of them. As for the boys that were there, I feel strongly about LM and DRC - I like them. The others might be okay. The others might be excellent. I'm just not sold on them and wouldn't invest a high draft pick on any of the other Senior Bowl players. The lads that weren't there I simply must reserve judgement and hope our front office has watched more about them than I.

So, you'll trust the FO on the guys you aren't campaigning for because they, potentially, watched more tape on them, but you're acting like the agent for a player you've watched in 1 game.

What I like about the senior bowl is what I like about the combine. I can put them in the same situation and see who does better. It's hard to judge players from different teams playing against different opponents. Get them all on the same field with the same coaches and see who rises to the challenge. DRC did that. Ellis did that. McKelvin did that. That QB from TN showed he had some savy (though I wouldn't dream of drafting him high).

That and the combine aren't the end all of draft potential. DRC had a very good senior bowl, but the experts who have seen more of him still think he's a flawed prospect. I'm sorry that this conflicts with your love affair with him, but thats just too bad.

[akhhorus]

As for his whole career, none of us have watched the tape on DRC. I'm hearing 2nd or even 3rd hand reports of his play here. I'd have to see it for myself to judge his career. Hopefully, our FO does that on everyone we're really considering at 21.

So...why exactly are you getting so excited based on DRC's senior bowl then?

[redskin_rich]

Well, Rogers-Cromartie is pretty much in the consensus top 3 CB's in the draft, so he should definitely get drafted in the top 20. I think he'll be good but I don't want him simply because I don't want our top pick going on yet another DB.

[Cutter]

I'll trust our FO on everyone in the draft. My man crushes don't mean jack - I cheer for the uniform!

Rather than study all sorts of unjustified positions, I'll watch them myself and allow what I see to be MY judge about who I like best in the coming draft. You can trust whomever you wish to tell you who to gush over. From what I've seen, DRC is the real deal and I'd be happy if he were a Redskin. He really stood out at the senior bowl. I'd also be happy about Ellis or McKelvin. I'm currently pretty high on Albert. Although I'll admit most of that is based on highlight film and the fact that he is reported to have a "bond" with Joe Bugel. Of course, at this point I don't think any of them will be there when the Redskins draft. Those 20 teams have to see exactly what I see and snatch them up before we have a shot.

Being into the draft is probably the gayest thing we do as fans. We pine away over an arbitrary list of men we hope we're able to court. It's like a South Park or Chapelle skit. You're funny. You don't like my list because "they" don't agree but when he (or someone like him) does they're not, "the end all of draft pundits". How can you have it both ways? It's easy when you're in the draft game! :gay:

/we're so stupid. I can't believe we (me included) get so worked up over something we won't know the outcome of for 3 years or so.

[akhhorus]

I'll trust our FO on everyone in the draft. My man crushes don't mean jack - I cheer for the uniform!

You trust Vinny, I'll look at his record and wonder why you are.

Rather than study all sorts of unjustified positions, I'll watch them myself and allow what I see to be MY judge about who I like best in the coming draft. You can trust whomever you wish to tell you who to gush over. From what I've seen, DRC is the real deal and I'd be happy if he were a Redskin. He really stood out at the senior bowl. I'd also be happy about Ellis or McKelvin. I'm currently pretty high on Albert. Although I'll admit most of that is based on highlight film and the fact that he is reported to have a "bond" with Joe Bugel. Of course, at this point I don't think any of them will be there when the Redskins draft. Those 20 teams have to see exactly what I see and snatch them up before we have a shot.

Fine, you can believe whatever you want. But you contradict yourself by saying that the Senior Bowl tells you everything you need to know, but you hope that the FO(and FOs in general) are looking at more than just one thing or game.

Being into the draft is probably the gayest thing we do as fans. We pine away over an arbitrary list of men we hope we're able to court. It's like a South Park or Chapelle skit. You're funny. You don't like my list because "they" don't agree but when he (or someone like him) does they're not, "the end all of draft pundits". How can you have it both ways? It's easy when you're in the draft game! :gay:

You want to bring up 1 pundit as your evidence for 1 player(most likely as part of a campaign for one player). I don't. I look at the general consensus of the pundits about any player, and the track record of the 1 pundit that you want to bring up. So, your complaint here is pointless.

And btw: in your short time here at HR, you've done nothing but cop some childish attitude with anyone who disagrees with you. You can keep it up if you want, but I guarantee you'll piss off the wrong person here and your time at HR will come to an abrupt end if you do-and I'm not the only person who's said this to you.

[shally]

I'll trust our FO on everyone in the draft. My man crushes don't mean jack - I cheer for the uniform!

Rather than study all sorts of unjustified positions, I'll watch them myself and allow what I see to be MY judge about who I like best in the coming draft. You can trust whomever you wish to tell you who to gush over. From what I've seen, DRC is the real deal and I'd be happy if he were a Redskin. He really stood out at the senior bowl. I'd also be happy about Ellis or McKelvin. I'm currently pretty high on Albert. Although I'll admit most of that is based on highlight film and the fact that he is reported to have a "bond" with Joe Bugel. Of course, at this point I don't think any of them will be there when the Redskins draft. Those 20 teams have to see exactly what I see and snatch them up before we have a shot.

Being into the draft is probably the gayest thing we do as fans. We pine away over an arbitrary list of men we hope we're able to court. It's like a South Park or Chapelle skit. You're funny. You don't like my list because "they" don't agree but when he (or someone like him) does they're not, "the end all of draft pundits". How can you have it both ways? It's easy when you're in the draft game! :gay:

/we're so stupid. I can't believe we (me included) get so worked up over something we won't know the outcome of for 3 years or so.

beg to differ with you over you last sentence.. times have changed..

if you dont think that the play of boss, smith, alford, bradshaw, ross,
and johnson didnt have a DIRECT impact upon the giants season last year in a big way, well, you simply werent paying attention

yes, merriweather didnt have a huge impact on the pats season, but every team is different. teams are forced to play their young players more than ever because of free agency and the cap. a team that gets no impact from their draft class had better be loaded elsewhere...

the redskins have a golden opportunity to add 9 players from the draft and perhaps a few more from post draft college free agents. some of these players need to produce next season if we are going to have the kind of season most of us want..

[Lavar703]

The knock on DRC was that he wasn't physical. He was physical at the senior bowl. I'll admit that I didn't watch him all season. All I saw was him at senior bowl week. But there, he was clearly the man with the most talent and upside. He came up and hit against the run game. He was physical against recievers. The only bad thing he did all week was muff a kick off. McKelvin was obviously the most ready to play right now. He got his hands from the same store Carlos Rogers got his.

You know Ronald Bartell and Andre Dyson dominated the same ways as DRC has and they have done nothing.

[skinsfan36]

You know Ronald Bartell and Andre Dyson dominated the same ways as DRC has and they have done nothing.

dysons doesnt even have a team right now lol

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Love all the picks, but Vince Hall will not be available in the 7th. You will need to take him in the 3rd instead of Crummy, otherwise he will be gone. But, I would love to get Vince Hall.

[Cutter]

You can keep it up if you want, but I guarantee you'll piss off the wrong person

OH NOES!!! Internet tough guys will get me! :lame:

[akhhorus]

OH NOES!!! Internet tough guys will get me! :lame:

Exactly what I'm talking about. Keep it up Cutter, no one will miss you.

[Cutter]

Didn't you learn in Kindergarten that you ignore someone you don't like? Heck it's easy on the internet. Just click "ignore" and you won't even be able to see a word I say.

Meanwhile I'll laugh at your threats of internet agression.

[akhhorus]

Didn't you learn in Kindergarten that you ignore someone you don't like? Heck it's easy on the internet. Just click "ignore" and you won't even be able to see a word I say.

I find your posts entertaining to point out the nonsense and flaws in.

Meanwhile I'll laugh at your threats of internet agression.

I haven't threatened anything at all. Just stated that if you keep up this attitude you've brought here that sooner or later someone in power will ban you from this board. I'm not the only person who's said this also.

[Cutter]

: patshead: Okay Akh

[Skins7ny]

That's true. But if you saw him in senior bowl prac tice and the game, you became a believer.
According to PFW's evaluator, he played like an early 2nd-rounder in college. His post-season testing has elevated him to the 1st round. I think he ran a 4.33, and jumped really high. I am sure his name is helping him as well. Supposedly he is not a big fan of contact, but maybe that is because of the kidney.
really more of an unknown than anything else
well, the issue now is that he only has one kidney.. that is a serious issue in a collision sport like football. not unusual for players to get bruised kidneys with violent hits.. if he damages his one, it could be a career ender.

that will be heavily factored and he may slide because of it. he is clearly a medical risk
When I do my own little Redskins mocks, I am taking DRC off the board, even though he would otherwise be good value at 21. I think it is too risky to spend a 1st-rounder on a guy with one kidney. Yes, his kidney will not be exposed as much at CB as it would be at WR, but if he goes up high to hit a receiver, he is vulnerable to a hit from a fellow DB (like Laron Landry). If he suffers any damage to his kidney, I expect he would be medically barred from playing (correct me if I am wrong, doctor), because the risk to his life would be too great. I wish him well, and hope he plays 15 years with no health issues, but there is no way that we should be taking this kind of risk with our first-round pick. Or our 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th.

congenital.. he was born with only one... it is not that rare a condition. but it would be a major red flag because, potentially, one bad hit could end his career
now you can take the position that he has played for years with this condition and has done just fine. that is certainly true. but the level of iolence is higher in the nfl. the players are bigger and faster and the collisions have more impact.
plus, if we are talking about a first round pick, potentially a high one, there is a lot of money at risk. some teams are going to shy away because of that..

BTW, PFW said that he had a 2nd kidney, but that it was removed when he was 8 because it was non-functional

http://http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/wwhi040208.htm

[shally]

According to PFW's evaluator, he played like an early 2nd-rounder in college. His post-season testing has elevated him to the 1st round. I think he ran a 4.33, and jumped really high. I am sure his name is helping him as well. Supposedly he is not a big fan of contact, but maybe that is because of the kidney.

When I do my own little Redskins mocks, I am taking DRC off the board, even though he would otherwise be good value at 21. I think it is too risky to spend a 1st-rounder on a guy with one kidney. Yes, his kidney will not be exposed as much at CB as it would be at WR, but if he goes up high to hit a receiver, he is vulnerable to a hit from a fellow DB (like Laron Landry). If he suffers any damage to his kidney, I expect he would be medically barred from playing (correct me if I am wrong, doctor), because the risk to his life would be too great. I wish him well, and hope he plays 15 years with no health issues, but there is no way that we should be taking this kind of risk with our first-round pick. Or our 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th.



BTW, PFW said that he had a 2nd kidney, but that it was removed when he was 8 because it was non-functional

http://http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Extras/2008/wwhi040208.htm


thanks for the added info. i was not aware of that.

but you are correct, if he damages his one remaining kidney the medical staff will look long and hard at letting him return to contact. plus, you have the psychological issue as well. i dont think that jacobs was ever the same receiver after he got his pancreas bludgeoned. maybe he would have been a bust anyway, but i know it would mess with my head if i injured and internal organ that badly...

someone will take a chance on him in the first round anyway.. it is a question of tolerance for risk versus potential for a great career...

[Cutter]

Maybe there's more to the kidney issue than I thought. They played it down on NFL network. But I remember Springs holding onto his kidney instead of giving his extra to his father because it would have ended his career... interesting.

[lorimike]

OH NOES!!! Internet tough guys will get me! :lame:<<<<<

Now that's funny! Good one. It is kinda silly isn't. Grown men arguing over football opinions- but it's fun.

[Hr fan]

As much as I like Crummey - I think he'll be around till the 5th or 6th round.
I really think they'll target a QB with that second 3rd round pick.

Whether comp 3 or 5 I agree, but don't think Dixon will be there at 5.