Ramsey defends OLine

[PennSkinsFan]

Wash Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21380-2003Sep16.html)

Smart move. Last thing you wanna do it criticize those that are responsible for your safety.

[rskinsfan10]

I heard Betts say earlier today that he thought that the RBs did an okay job in protection. Is he in the NFL's Substance Abuse Program?

[skinswin'emALL]

:funpost:

[hail2skins]

I'm sure Spence will disagree with Bruce Smith's comment on the pass rush. I'm sorry, but being sacked 10 times in 2 games is a problem. Whose, I don't give a damn but it better get fixed.

[skinswin'emALL]

Seems like our blocking schemes are complex as our passing scheme (excect when we rush)

[JoeDaSchmoe]

If that's true, then it givesm e hope that there will be much improvement as this group gains experience.

[PennSkinsFan]

Then again, Spurrier is not taking advatnage of the speed we have to defeat blitz packages. Put Canidate in motion, hit quick screens, reverses, whatever it takes. We have the speed, we canmake blitzing defenses pay.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Not reverses. We don't want to try a reverse with a couple defenders already in the backfield.

[Spence]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
I heard Betts say earlier today that he thought that the RBs did an okay job in protection. Is he in the NFL's Substance Abuse Program?
No, but he probably should be.

[Spence]

Originally posted by hail2skins
I'm sure Spence will disagree with Bruce Smith's comment on the pass rush. You got that right. I tape every game and watch them again. [Some parts I'll watch until I figure out what is going on since I'm not smart enough to figure it out the first time.] One thing I see over and over is Testaverde and Johnson holding on to the ball and surveying the entire field at least once before releasing the ball. I see the releases being dictated by the offensive plays, not the defensive pass rush. I think ol' Bruce is trying to slip one past the fans. Maybe it'll work. I don't think it'll fool Jim Fassel, though.

[hail2skins]

He maybe trying Spence, but I know alot people he won't fool.

[Spence]

The Skins are doing a little damage control here. [Okay, a lot of damage control.] They don't want the OL getting down on themselves, so I don't really blame Spurrier and Ramsey for doing this, but neither do I completely believe them. I've been writing all along that the problems with the pass rush go way beyond the offensive line. The backs are not picking up the blitz at all. When our best blocking back, Bryan Johnson, whiffs badly and causes a sack and turnover, we're in trouble. This is not strictly an offensive line problem, but it is a problem with the entire offense. Spurrier needs to leave more players in to protect. The backs need to understand that there is more to playing their position than just the fun stuff. Blocking matters, too. [Just ask Steve Young, whose career was ended because that idiot Lawrence Phillips couldn't be bothered to learn the blitz packages.] Ramsey needs to recognize the blitz better and be quicker with his releases. [I count two of the sacks on Sunday as being caused by Ramsey holding on to the ball too long.] This is a problem for the entire offense.

[hail2skins]

I agree Spence and alot of voiced this concern back in preseason. Actually, I voiced it back during last season. This is a huge problem no matter what they say. I understand the damage control too but everyone needs to do their job in order for the offense to be totally effective. We will definately need max protection on Sunday against the Gints because I know they're licking their chops because of the number of sacks we have surrendered so far this season.

[Spence]

You're absolutely right about the Giants, Mike. Repitition is the first rule of the NFL. Replication is the second. Teams have seen that the blitz bothers us. Ergo, we'll see the blitz non-stop until it doesn't bother us anymore.

We should be able to solve it. Teams that blitz us leave themselves open to the big play. If we leave our backs and tight ends in to protect a few times, that means we get a shot with Coles and Gardner in single coverage. Hmmm. I like those odds. Hit a few deep passes to Coles off the blitz and suddenly teams will rediscover the virtues of playing us straight up. Then we'll all breathe a bit easier. I guess I think one of the best ways to beat this is to trust our two big playmakers [Coles and Gardner] to make plays.

[rskinsfan10]

The Post mentioned that on that particular play with Johnson, his whiffing was to be blamed on his not hearing Ramsey's signals at the line because of the crowd noise. I don't think I buy that at all.

[Death_Venom]

YES-the PROBLEM with Ramsey getting sacked 10 x's in 2 games definetly falls onto the shoulders of the OFFENSIVE LINE-........No disrepect Boys-but ya need to get it TOGETHER!!!!!

The RB's definetly need to play a larger ROLE in protecting Ramsey when not RUNNING the ball.........I do think its a "ego" thing (protecting the ego of the Offensive Line)........

As far as the pass rush-.......Well lets just say its decent-and needs to be MUCH BETTER.......I think we compete well on Defending the pass (Champ Bailey & Fred Smoot are doing really well in my opinon).........

Smooth Move Ramsey-.....Encourage your boys-give them a boost of confidence & kick them in the A$$!!!!!!!

hehe........

[Patrick]

Originally posted by Spence
The Skins are doing a little damage control here. [Okay, a lot of damage control.] They don't want the OL getting down on themselves, so I don't really blame Spurrier and Ramsey for doing this, but neither do I completely believe them. I've been writing all along that the problems with the pass rush go way beyond the offensive line. The backs are not picking up the blitz at all. When our best blocking back, Bryan Johnson, whiffs badly and causes a sack and turnover, we're in trouble. This is not strictly an offensive line problem, but it is a problem with the entire offense. Spurrier needs to leave more players in to protect. The backs need to understand that there is more to playing their position than just the fun stuff. Blocking matters, too. [Just ask Steve Young, whose career was ended because that idiot Lawrence Phillips couldn't be bothered to learn the blitz packages.] Ramsey needs to recognize the blitz better and be quicker with his releases. [I count two of the sacks on Sunday as being caused by Ramsey holding on to the ball too long.] This is a problem for the entire offense.

Agree with all the above BUT need to add one other thing. Patrick has got to stop with the seven step drop backs. That really puts needless pressure on the O-line. Thats one of the few things that drives SonnyJ nuts about Ramsey. That being said - I do believe Patrick is getting alittle better each week of recognizing the blitz. ....... Good News - ALL is fixable - well at least by next year's draft - lol.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by Spence
You got that right. I tape every game and watch them again. [Some parts I'll watch until I figure out what is going on since I'm not smart enough to figure it out the first time.] One thing I see over and over is Testaverde and Johnson holding on to the ball and surveying the entire field at least once before releasing the ball. I see the releases being dictated by the offensive plays, not the defensive pass rush. I think ol' Bruce is trying to slip one past the fans. Maybe it'll work. I don't think it'll fool Jim Fassel, though.


Why do you try that self-depricating "I'm not smart enough" psycho babble on us? Every member of this site knows you are the smartest SOB here, even if it drives some of us absolutely crazy at times!

[hail2skins]

I would attribute the 7 step drops to play calling. Our gameplan last week was to work the corners with double moves in the first half and that's why Ramsey was pump faking on every throw. I'm glad they realized that wasn't working and went to the quick hitters to slow the defense down.

[Patrick]

Second half that became evident.

[NamVet4]

I guarantee you the blitz is coming Sunday afternoon! A lot of the talk up here on the Sports Talk radio shows is how the "Gints" will put tremendous pressure on Ramsey - to a lot of the fans here he is the "Patsy" Ramsey - sucker for a sack!

I agree with a lot of the already posted good ideas on how to defeat the blitz. I want to see the backs pick up the blocks; Ramsey pass on the quick; and Coles and/or Gardner burn the Gints defense more than once. The O line is improving - it take time and the right player to step up and be the leader of the O line.
My 2 cents!:bsmile:

[hail2skins]

Those who wanted to see Trung catch more balls may see it this weekend.

[SkinsKY]

I think we would do much better if we ran quic hitters to start the game and moved towards the double moves once we got them cheating forward and tryin to sit on routes. It's like running the ball to get them forward for the play action.

[PennSkinsFan]

Surprised Trung has 0 completions. There are easy ways to defeat blitzes and there aer ways to make them pay for blitzes. Spurrier needs to do that. He needs to make adjustments to make them pay for blitzes.

Might I add, I would love to see us blitz Collins like crazy!

[Spence]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Might I add, I would love to see us blitz Collins like crazy! I don't think we'll have much choice. The Giants have an inexperienced offensive line, but I'm not convinced our front four can put pressure on Collins by themselves, even matched against a bunch of raw kids. I think we'll have to blitz. That puts enormous pressure on Champ and Smoot and Bauman to cover their men alone. That's a gamble, but one I think we have to take. Collins is not Doug Johnson: If we let Kerry just stand back there and survey the field, he will light us up like a freaking Christmas tree.

[Patrick]

Lavar records #1 this weekend.

[AZ#1SkinsFan]

When do we try Dockerey at LG? Fiore's been a bit of a push over . . . maybe move him to center, maybe make him a backup.

[Redbeard]

I'd spread the blame wider than just the o-line. The offensive unit as a whole is obviously not always firing on all cylinders. We've got great highlights of when they do. But consistantly - 10 sacks/ ?(too many) turnover/?(too many) penalties don't lie.

Not excusing it, but some of it is to be expected with 4 new WRs, 4 RBs w/year or less, 4 new OGs and starting QB w/less than a year play.

Figured a lot of this would happen with all the new parts. We've made out good so far. Hope it doesn't take too long to iron out.

[TexSkin]

See you guys see this as all bad, I see it as reason for hope. I feel this team will only get better as they play together more (o-line included). To be 2-0 and not really even hitting on all cylinders makes me feel when this team does get in good form they are gonna be dangerous.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by TexSkin
See you guys see this as all bad, I see it as reason for hope. I feel this team will only get better as they play together more (o-line included). To be 2-0 and not really even hitting on all cylinders makes me feel when this team does get in good form they are gonna be dangerous.

Yes, I agree totally. If the team progresses as they should, we could be witnessing something special this year.

[camasterton]

Progress will happen with familiarity. Each of the past four years we started with rebuilt lines. By the end of each year they were playing well. If we avoid injuries, this could be the best O-line in football. They are already good at run blocking and the pedigrees are there for pass blocking. We paid top dollar to the O-line, counting on them to excel 1v1 and collectively. Everyone knows Ramsey's strength is holding the ball till the best moment, is also his weakness. The offense is built around and for him. Plus, no matter how much Spurrier has changed, he still takes deep shots with slow developing plays. Our O-line is here because they're the best available. They need to get it. I think they will get it. The backs and TEs are worrisome though. As far as Bruce, maybe the DT are playing up to potential, but the DEs sure are not.

[Death_Venom]

WELL-every QB has a "weakness"-and yes we are going to get BLITZED nearly every time-........BUT if the OFFENSIVE LINE stay with its assignments & picks up the Blitz we should be FINE. As it was mentioned we have taken ALOT penalities in the 1st 2 Games-and we are still WINNING.....

[GoingDeep]

Originally posted by hail2skins
I would attribute the 7 step drops to play calling. Our gameplan last week was to work the corners with double moves in the first half and that's why Ramsey was pump faking on every throw. I'm glad they realized that wasn't working and went to the quick hitters to slow the defense down.
Ramsey changed into these plays.Trying to beat them with a hicht and go.

[skinswin'emALL]

Originally posted by GoingDeep
Ramsey changed into these plays.Trying to beat them with a hicht and go.

Which is what he is "coached up" to do. If the RB pick up the blitz......TOUCHDWON REDSKINS. if they don't..... well we know what happened...