DFA: Draft Q&A

[akhhorus]

Link (http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/2008/04/draft-q.html)

Guff on.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Good discussion guys.
AKH - you are real high on Limas Sweed but I was watching NFL network and Mayock feels that Sweed is not a good WCO reciever. Claims he's not physical and doesn't work the middle of the field well. From that description he would seem like the Alvin Harper type (which isn't bad). Do you concur with Mayock? Personally I think the Skins would get better value from Bennett, Simpson, Neslon or Doucet in the 2nd or 3rd round.

[shally]

great column guys..lots of things to think over..

this is how i would respond

best player ? chris long.. has it all. genetics. size. heart. barring injury he will dominate for a long time

overrated ? phillips.. if he were not playing in the same position as reed and taylor at miami i dont think he would get the accolades he is getting

best qb in 5? brohm.. i dont like the entire booty family

rb in 5 ? stewart, although it worries me he will be hurt a lot and not productive

wr ? thomas.. i think he will be a great one.. hardy would be my second choice

OL in 5 ? it wont be albert because someone will take him and try to make him a tackle for a couple of years before realizing he needs to be inside. there he wont be a mauler. my choice ? williams (by a slim margin over clady). the worst case is you have chris samuels.. the best case is he puts on strength and you have jim lachey

DL in 5... chris long.. but second i think is going to be ellis who will be a wrecking ball in the middle of someone's line

LB in 5.. rivers.. but i think if lawrence jackson can make the transition to 3/4 LB you might have the next willie mcginest

CB in 5.. cromartie as it stands, but could be talib if he can keep his head on straight

S in 5... decoud by a bit over barrett

shooting up ? laws.. teams see the next tuck and someone will take him towards the end of round 1.. worst case scenario is you have another renaldo wynn for years

going down ? already seeing kelly going down. joined by manningham who ran poor times plus has questionable character.. also, lots of wdeouts to choose from

i will also tell you why it wont be desean jackson falling.. because he is not going to be asked to play RB the way bush was. teams will use him as a wideout or specialty player and people look at the bears and see the next hester. i think he gets taken at the end of the first round..

[akhhorus]

Good discussion guys.
AKH - you are real high on Limas Sweed but I was watching NFL network and Mayock feels that Sweed is not a good WCO reciever. Claims he's not physical and doesn't work the middle of the field well. From that description he would seem like the Alvin Harper type (which isn't bad). Do you concur with Mayock? Personally I think the Skins would get better value from Bennett, Simpson, Neslon or Doucet in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Mike Mayock should start taking the correct pills if he thinks there's any comparison between Sweed and Alvin Harper. He worked the middle of the field and showed toughness/physicalness at Texas. His only problems(and what separates him from a guy like Roy Williams) is the injuries concerns and he doesn't have elite speed.

[skinsfan36]

great job guys very good insight
my list is as follows
best player ? Glenn dorsey-hes just a beast
overrated ? desean jackson-i see him as ted ginn part two(people will expect him to be a #1),on D i would say Gholston after watching him get blocked easy in clips
best qb in 5? Matt Ryan,but a close second to john david booty
rb in 5 ? Jonathan Stewart see him as very good back at this level(not 1 dimmensional)
wr ? Jordy Nelson i kind of see him as the next Joe juervicous(sp?),sweed a close 2nd
OL in 5 ? Chris Williams-OT,Branden ALbert-OG lol i know what a reach huh
DL in 5?DE-Calais Campbell-i think he puts it all together and becomes aphysical freak,dorsey at dt
LB in 5?Jerrod Mayo i think he ends up a little better then rivers
CB in 5?Terrell Thomas or mike jenkins both will have multiple pro bowls easy
S in 5?Steltz-very underated
shooting up ?Trevor laws i think if we cant trade down we shoukld take him at 21 if noones there becasue ive seen him in mocks going #34.Duane Brown hes shooting up and could be a first rounder
going down ? Kelly-no brainer,ill go with brian brohm(would of been top 5 last yr)
1st rd surprise?someone taking chris johnson rb ecu

[dj_stouty]

Great job guys.

Fent~ I dig the UVA and UD props!

Akh~ I'll vomit if the Skins trade up for a 1st round receiver.

[warpaint]

Great job guys.

Fent~ I dig the UVA and UD props!

Akh~ I'll vomit if the Skins trade up for a 1st round receiver.

if redskins take a wide receiver first ,regardless in the first round then i will have to revert back to my redneck ways and use some choice four letter words, all women and children will have to leave the area. suppose i have never fully recovered from the desmond howard draft,where we traded out late first round pick and like the number 6 pick to move up couple of places to take desmond , sort of the start of us going from the super bowl , to the toilet
bowl.

[akhhorus]

Great job guys.


Gracias.

Akh~ I'll vomit if the Skins trade up for a 1st round receiver.

If we could move up for Sweed without it costs much(say Griffin, Washington or a 3rd), I wouldn't be opposed to that.

[skinfanjon]

Gracias.



If we could move up for Sweed without it costs much(say Griffin, Washington or a 3rd), I wouldn't be opposed to that.

I thought Sweed was expected to be there when we pick?

[akhhorus]

I thought Sweed was expected to be there when we pick?

I doubt it. Especially with Kelly self destructing.

[skinfanjon]

I doubt it. Especially with Kelly self destructing.

Eh, I like Sweed's game, he's probably my favorite receiver out of this year's crop (though I haven't seen much of Thomas), but I wouldn't move up to get him.

[skinsfan36]

im with you guys no trading up for wrs when we could get doucet,nelson,simpson etc in the 2nd or 3rd. maybe even kelly in the 2nd

[Dolla Bill]

Akh and Fent, first of all, great job with the Q & A. Second, with the projections that you guys have come up with, which top 3 teams do you see as real winners, and top 3 losers?

[akhhorus]

Akh and Fent, first of all, great job with the Q & A. Second, with the projections that you guys have come up with, which top 3 teams do you see as real winners, and top 3 losers?

If you're asking which teams do we think will come out as winners and which 3 will come out as losers, my list would be:

Winners:
Atlanta: Too many high picks and I really like their new GM.
New Orleans Saints: They have high picks and clear needs. I would call this the draft equivalent of a chip shot.
Green Bay Packers: Good track record drafting of late, plus they're a team without many glaring holes.

Losers:
Raiders: C'mon, who are we talking about here.
Broncos: Shanny's draft record is just horrible over the last few years and they have a ton of holes.
Jets: Their GM seems to think that they're not in rebuilding mode, but their roster says otherwise. They're going to draft like they're "a player away" and its going to be a disaster.

[Hr fan]

Couldn't help observing that you put up a natural draft in your observations.

1 - discussion below
2 - Baker
3 - Thomas
3 - Steltz

now a fantasy

5 - Greco
6 - Monk or Langford (IMO he could easily slip)
7 - the FB from LSU
7 - Bowling Green C
7 - BPA (if Blake is available jump on it)


Result is rebuilt O line (I like Greco as a G) and a rebuilt secondary. Sellers is one of our oldest players and needs a b/u (I prefer Schmidt, but he will be long gone).

For the 1st - hopefully trade down for a 2&3 or a 2&4 in the top 10 of the respective rounds (preferred), or draft Merling or Sweed, depending on ranking. If 2&3 consider Vandy WR and Fluellen. If 2&4 same WR and Jones from EMU.

[shally]

Couldn't help observing that you put up a natural draft in your observations.

1 - discussion below
2 - Baker
3 - Thomas
3 - Steltz

now a fantasy

5 - Greco
6 - Monk or Langford (IMO he could easily slip)
7 - the FB from LSU
7 - Bowling Green C
7 - BPA (if Blake is available jump on it)


Result is rebuilt O line (I like Greco as a G) and a rebuilt secondary. Sellers is one of our oldest players and needs a b/u (I prefer Schmidt, but he will be long gone).

For the 1st - hopefully trade down for a 2&3 or a 2&4 in the top 10 of the respective rounds (preferred), or draft Merling or Sweed, depending on ranking. If 2&3 consider Vandy WR and Fluellen. If 2&4 same WR and Jones from EMU.

hester (LSU) will be long gone by the 7th..

[HanburgerBum]

Very interesting discussion, guys.

Most overrated: Jake Long. Oh, I think he will be a terrific right tackle in the NFL, but he will be an ordinary left tackle. And, right tackles are not drafted No. 1.

Trading up for Limas Sweed--a WR who doesn't have elite speed and has significant injury concerns? I was actually thinking of trading down from No. 21 if Limas Sweed were the target. I believe he will drop to very late 1st to mid-2nd.

[shally]

Very interesting discussion, guys.

Most overrated: Jake Long. Oh, I think he will be a terrific right tackle in the NFL, but he will be an ordinary left tackle. And, right tackles are not drafted No. 1.

Trading up for Limas Sweed--a WR who doesn't have elite speed and has significant injury concerns? I was actually thinking of trading down from No. 21 if Limas Sweed were the target. I believe he will drop to very late 1st to mid-2nd.

respectfully disagree about sweed..

only thomas is without questions or flags (and he has only done it for 1 year)
all the other potential first round wideouts have issues (kelly- injury/time ... jackson- size.....
hardy- times/possible character .... sweed- injury/times ... manningham- times/off field)

and yet, it is not conceivable that only thomas will be a first round pick. there will be others and there will be a run because teams like philly, wash, tampa all need a receiver.. once they start coming off, they will come off in a cluster. it always happens that way.. sweed will not be there in the second round..

[HanburgerBum]

respectfully disagree about sweed..

only thomas is without questions or flags (and he has only done it for 1 year)
all the other potential first round wideouts have issues (kelly- injury/time ... jackson- size.....
hardy- times/possible character .... sweed- injury/times ... manningham- times/off field)

and yet, it is not conceivable that only thomas will be a first round pick. there will be others and there will be a run because teams like philly, wash, tampa all need a receiver.. once they start coming off, they will come off in a cluster. it always happens that way.. sweed will not be there in the second round..


You could be right. But, from my vantage point, Sweed is not first round talent even without the injury concerns. With the injury concerns, he could even drop below Jordy Nelson to some place around mid-2nd. I am thinking Sweed will be this year's Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers.

I will post "my bad" after Saturday, if Sweed goes in the 1st.

[shally]

You could be right. But, from my vantage point, Sweed is not first round talent even without the injury concerns. With the injury concerns, he could even drop below Jordy Nelson to some place around mid-2nd. I am thinking Sweed will be this year's Brady Quinn or Aaron Rodgers.

I will post "my bad" after Saturday, if Sweed goes in the 1st.

i dont think so.. rich tandler had posted sweed's highlight videos on his blog.. the man can flat out play.. he can do it all, but the only question is how well recovered his wrist is.
i will tell you, i think there is a greater chance sweed ends up top 15 pick than he falls out of the first round
you are right that nelson will end up being picked higher than most people think.
he wont be there in round 3, would be my guess

get your "my bad" ready....lol