Redskin thoughts (propoganda) on the d-line.

[nicefellow31]

Here is the official word from Redskin Park on the search for D-line help. Article says they are somewhat satisfied with what they have. Personally I like lime flavored Kool-Aid. What flavor do you like? Seriously, I guess you can't fill all needs at once. So for the umpteenth year, we will go into the next off-season saying, "we need a pass rushing d-lineman."

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=35456

[NCskinsfanatic]

Here is the official word from Redskin Park on the search for D-line help. Article says they are somewhat satisfied with what they have. Personally I like lime flavored Kool-Aid. What flavor do you like? Seriously, I guess you can't fill all needs at once. So for the umpteenth year, we will go into the next off-season saying, "we need a pass rushing d-lineman."

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=35456

Yeah I just finished referencing that piece in another thread. I think it happened with Merling and Laws on D. I also think the same thing happened at QB leaving us Brennan in the 6th instead of Johnson or Ainge.

[akhhorus]

Imhotep.....Imhotep......Imhotep.....Imhotep.....

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna pass on a Redskins.com article.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Imhotep.....Imhotep......Imhotep.....Imhotep.....

LOL

[CNYSkinFan]

oh good god....

Now I will take this opportunity to unfairly pick out pieces of the article and mercilessly make fun of the idiots in our front office

ahem

To everyone's surprise, the Redskins came out of the draft with just one defensive lineman: Rob Jackson of Kansas State in the seventh round.

Uhm who's surprise? Not mine...this is standard Redskin drafting BS. They say they are going to address the line and then forget about it when nice flashy offensive toys or defensive backs are waived in their face.

"There were two occasions where, right before we picked, a [defensive lineman] we earmarked went right off the board," head coach Jim Zorn said. "So we had to go to our next choice. That is the way it is in the draft. There are 31 other teams picking. It's a situation that no one can predict."

wait a minute, i thought everytime we picked we got the guy we wanted all along....that is what they said to Redskins insider.

Executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said the team would sign two undrafted free agent defensive ends this week.

Cerrato has said the team likes the combination of Andre Carter at right defensive end and Phillip Daniels, Marcus Washington and Chris Wilson rotating at left defensive end

You know who else likes that combination....every team with a mediocre offensive line in the freaking league that is who...How many times did Hasslebeck go down in the playoffs...oh yeah that is right very few.

"With defensive line, the thing about it is, you have to get them early," Cerrato said. "When we got to the fifth and sixth rounds, you look and say, 'All right, does that guy have a chance to make the team, or is it better to take a guy who has a chance to make the team?'

But vinny would rather get a 2nd te and 4th wr early then say top rated des like Campbell or situational pass rushers like Groves that went one pick after ours...

[akhhorus]

But vinny would rather get a 2nd te and 4th wr early then say top rated des like Campbell or situational pass rushers like Groves that went one pick after ours...

Point of order: Campbell was the 5th or 6th rated DE at best and the word from NYC was that no one thought he would fit in a 4-3. As much as we desperately need a DE, I'd rather get a contributor like the 4th WR or 2nd TE than a useless DE who is lazy as hell.

[jaylen]

I'm just sick about this whole thing. Were they not watching the Superbowl and what happened to the unstoppable juggernaut that was the Pats when you actually get pressure on the qb.

Did he not see the difference in 52-7 and a Giants win over that same team.

[lorimike]

I'm not buying the BPA BS the front office wants to feed us. We had needs at WR and defensive back , and O-Line and we found a way to address them but for some strange reason whenever its our turn to draft there's never a DE that we seem to be able to draft. at some point we gonna have to draft some defensive lineman. Maybe the Eagles will cut Darren Howard and we can sign him as a stopgap for year.

[esmith1790]

Draft DL all in 1 year can be an issue, maybe they are watching the cowboys of 2005. LOL

1.Ware
1.Spears
4.Canty
7.Ratliff

there is no way we can resign all of these guys at 1 time(even though Ratliff was just extended in 2007.)

So maybe they are gona only draft 1 a year

[whitskins]

wait a minute, i thought everytime we picked we got the guy we wanted all along....that is what they said to Redskins insider.


No, they said every time we traded down, we still wound up with the guy we wanted in the first place. Those picks were spent on Devin Thomas, JT Tryon, and Durant Brooks.

I'm pretty sure we wanted Trevor Laws at pick #48 (he went #47) and Marcus Harrison at #96 (he went #90).

Calais Campbell was probably off our board, at least on the first day. He went #50, but if we wanted him, we would have taken him at #48.

[warpaint]

I'm not buying the BPA BS the front office wants to feed us. We had needs at WR and defensive back , and O-Line and we found a way to address them but for some strange reason whenever its our turn to draft there's never a DE that we seem to be able to draft. at some point we gonna have to draft some defensive lineman. Maybe the Eagles will cut Darren Howard and we can sign him as a stopgap for year.

well i wanted a d.e. also but with the trade down didnt really see anyone that i liked, so who would you have taken with out first pick in the second round,just seemed to me to be a real weak class of d.e. and tackles this year,but heck only know what i read ,no draft guru here.

[Keino]

Imhotep.....Imhotep......Imhotep.....Imhotep.....

LMAO. Im not sure I've ever heard you chant Imhotep....

[shally]

No, they said every time we traded down, we still wound up with the guy we wanted in the first place. Those picks were spent on Devin Thomas, JT Tryon, and Durant Brooks.

I'm pretty sure we wanted Trevor Laws at pick #48 (he went #47) and Marcus Harrison at #96 (he went #90).

Calais Campbell was probably off our board, at least on the first day. He went #50, but if we wanted him, we would have taken him at #48.


great thoughts.. i went through the draft with that in mind. the only other place is where merling came off right before thomas.. but i think they would have taken thomas anyway as he was highly regarded...

otherwise i think especially laws was the pick because davis wasnt even onthe teams radar

[akhhorus]

LMAO. Im not sure I've ever heard you chant Imhotep....

I wish I could take full credit for it, but I think CNY did it once. But I would be glad to do it at the tailgate for you lmao.

[GWBlitzST]

I would like to point out that the FO never said they wanted a pass-rushing lineman specifically, but just liked Phillip Merling's intangibles. For anyone who watched the last 6 games of last season, they understand that Chris Wilson and Andre Carter can rush the passer just fine. Moving Phillip Daniels to the inside and rotating he, Griff, and Golston with Evans, Carter, Wilson, and Buzbee on the outside will have to be enough for a year. I think our FO did a great job in this draft, especially considering we actually had a winning record last year and couldn't draft a top 10 prospect, which is the only way to shut some of you up.

[lorimike]

well i wanted a d.e. also but with the trade down didnt really see anyone that i liked, so who would you have taken with out first pick in the second round,just seemed to me to be a real weak class of d.e. and tackles this year,but heck only know what i read ,no draft guru here.
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I thought their trade down was crafty. Had Merling been there I think they might have selected him. I like the Devin Thomas pick. I think he'll be a good maybe great player for us. But I think I would have taken Calais Campbell with the 48th pick. He played in a 4-3 defense at Miami and in the 2nd round I thought he represented good value. Quentin Groves would not have been a bad pick either. With that said I think Fred Davis can play. In fact the offense this coming season might be quite prolific. I think with the extra tight end and bigger receivers that teams will no longer be able to key on Cooley when we get in the redzone. Wake Forests Jeremy Thompson or Marylands Dre Moore were other defensive lineman I wish we would have drafted.

[Red Bear]

this years class of dtackles was really weak to begin with. i also think many DEs were overvalued and reached for in this draft. just like many are saying the giants pass rush won them the super bowl alone(which i dont fully agree), you can just as easily surmuise because of their dominant pass rush many teams went into the draft salivating over DEs because of that. people also seem to forget that the giants got veteran well seasoned defensive ends in strahan and osi, they didnt just pick them up over the weekend, and one 1st or 2nd round DE isnt gonna give us that over night

[Monk4HOF]

So... if you have to get a DE early, why did we go DB with three straight top ten draft picks? I can understand if they didn't want to get caught up in the hype of trying to become the 2008 version of the 07 Giants and end up reaching on a D-lineman in the process, but our need there should have carried more weight than it apparently did. Obviously the best TE in the country is great value for a mid second round pick, but you don't get the full value of that pick if he shares touches with two other big WRs and a pro bowl TE. There is simply no long term strategy in place for improving our pass rush and we are limiting ourselves until a solution is developed. We will continue to see multiple TD leads evaporate in the second half if we can't pressure the QB and we will only go so far in the playoffs until we run into a QB with a hot hand who has all day to pick us apart.

[VegasSkinsFan]

As has been stated in other threads, a rush from the inside is hurting us on passing downs. AC and wilson can get to the qb, but being able to step up and throw is killing us. I would have loved to get laws but I really like what we did in the draft and udfa. GO SKINS !!!!!

[GWBlitzST]

Seeing as how we have Campbell's former D line coach, had every chance to draft him, yet didn't, does that not send any red flags about his ability (or lack thereof) to perform consistently in the NFL?

[GWBlitzST]

As has been stated in other threads, a rush from the inside is hurting us on passing downs. AC and wilson can get to the qb, but being able to step up and throw is killing us. I would have loved to get laws but I really like what we did in the draft and udfa. GO SKINS !!!!!

That's why Phillip Daniels is being moved inside on passing downs. He is a good inside rusher, just lacks the speed off the edge. He is great at getting his hands up and disrupting balls as well.

[CNYSkinFan]

That's why Phillip Daniels is being moved inside on passing downs. He is a good inside rusher, just lacks the speed off the edge. He is great at getting his hands up and disrupting balls as well.
look I can buy the arguments that you didnt like an des where we picked...I dont believe it but at least there is some logic behind it.

But when a defensive unit ranks almost last in sacks in the NFL and the only thing you add to it is a year of age....then no way you can expect a decent pass rush because we are moving a lump of dung from the outside to the inside.

However way you slioe it the skins for the 3rd straight year failed to significantly upgrade the weakest area of their defense and their achiles heels,....the defensive line. Keep making excuses, when we are 8-8 or 9-7 and losing games because we can not get off the field on third downs...again.....We will here how VInny and the coaches are going to target the defensive line in the off season and once again they will fail.

[WinnpegSkinsFan]

Just some speculation here but the situation in Miami bears watching. If the Phins keep Jason Taylor where does that leave Matt Roth? He seems undersized for the 3-4 Miami runs and the Phins drafted Merling and Langford to play DE for them. If the Phins let him go I wouldn't mind the Skins looking at him. He's 6'4" 272# and only 25 years old. Might make a good LDE.

By the way I don't think Merling fits a 3-4 if he plays at 275lbs but Langford is perfect for that defence

[Keino]

Seeing as how we have Campbell's former D line coach, had every chance to draft him, yet didn't, does that not send any red flags about his ability (or lack thereof) to perform consistently in the NFL?

I love this line of thought. How do you know the Line coach wasn't lobbying for him in the Draft War room? How do you know he had every chance to draft him, when the de facto GM announced prior to and leading up to the draft that WR was a priority and DE not so much.

This is a BS line of argument. The position coach has less influence than the D Coordinator who also has very little influence.

Back to the thread, Typical Gary Fitzgerald Fluff piece. Somehow I think the author was in the Adult movie industry at some point. Nobody can be that good at fluff without some serious experience...

[whitskins]

But when a defensive unit ranks almost last in sacks in the NFL and the only thing you add to it is a year of age....then no way you can expect a decent pass rush because we are moving a lump of dung from the outside to the inside.


33 sacks. 16th in the NFL.

[Campbell2Moss13]

I don't know why but I think the Front office is going to get that DE closer to the start of the season. Stop and think about this for a second, when a team drafts a guy that means someone has to lose their roster spot. Also if a new head coach comes in then he might not like one of his current players. So what I am trying to say is I get the feeling someone might be available closer to the start of the season maybe even as soon as June 1st. Not trying to start a rumor just a feeling.

[Keino]

33 sacks. 16th in the NFL.

I am pretty sure he means from the Defensive front 4.

[shally]

look I can buy the arguments that you didnt like an des where we picked...I dont believe it but at least there is some logic behind it.

But when a defensive unit ranks almost last in sacks in the NFL and the only thing you add to it is a year of age....then no way you can expect a decent pass rush because we are moving a lump of dung from the outside to the inside.

However way you slioe it the skins for the 3rd straight year failed to significantly upgrade the weakest area of their defense and their achiles heels,....the defensive line. Keep making excuses, when we are 8-8 or 9-7 and losing games because we can not get off the field on third downs...again.....We will here how VInny and the coaches are going to target the defensive line in the off season and once again they will fail.

still, the overall defense played to a level of (i think) #8 overall last year..we might have been better had not GW coached us out of more victories with his schemes.
if we are fortunate and wilson and buzbee can provide some additional pass rush from the edge, we might be okay. no one is going to confuse our d line with the giants, but with more aggressive schemes we might do better.

this puts the onus on blache and i agree with Akh that zorn has put it to him to coach for his job..given that he wasnt real enthusiastic about being DC anyway, my guess is that we get zorn's man next year...

[shally]

I love this line of thought. How do you know the Line coach wasn't lobbying for him in the Draft War room? How do you know he had every chance to draft him, when the de facto GM announced prior to and leading up to the draft that WR was a priority and DE not so much.

This is a BS line of argument. The position coach has less influence than the D Coordinator who also has very little influence.

Back to the thread, Typical Gary Fitzgerald Fluff piece. Somehow I think the author was in the Adult movie industry at some point. Nobody can be that good at fluff without some serious experience...

i dont think it was ever reported that the d line coach was IN the war room. my guess is that whatever input he gave about campbell came before the board was made up. i cant prove it, but i believe it..

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I would like to point out that the FO never said they wanted a pass-rushing lineman specifically, but just liked Phillip Merling's intangibles. For anyone who watched the last 6 games of last season, they understand that Chris Wilson and Andre Carter can rush the passer just fine. Moving Phillip Daniels to the inside and rotating he, Griff, and Golston with Evans, Carter, Wilson, and Buzbee on the outside will have to be enough for a year. I think our FO did a great job in this draft, especially considering we actually had a winning record last year and couldn't draft a top 10 prospect, which is the only way to shut some of you up.

He's not part of the FO, but Blanche said they have a need for a DT that can collapse the pocket. I would say he's right.

[sinskin]

I think Kendall Langford was one choice they wanted and went in the third I think maybe.... I wanted him badly ... thought he was a steal obviously Parcells thought so to.

Look... to many positions to fill in one draft considering most picks dont pan out.... we have had this convo before here. In saying that our first 4 should be starters in a years time... thats pretty incredible imo. Our WR picks may even be stars... there is a good chance of this happening. Next year we go all OL and DL, what else can we go after besides this.

So in saying that as well... in 2 drafts we should have plenty of starting talent out of the draft which is excellent imo considering this is the first year for Zorn... give him at least 2 years ppl lol. He did great imo along with Vinny surprizingly.

Just cant do it all in one draft... which is what alot of ppl here seem to think.

Patients

[CNYSkinFan]

I am pretty sure he means from the Defensive front 4.
yes thanks for clarifying

[skinsfan36]

the bucs drafted dre moore so maybe we should approach them about jovan haye(was rumored to be part of a trade for allen)

[Hrabanmaur]

Clearly not drafting a D-lineman until the final round of the draft is the greatest flaw of this draft. That's why I give the draft a B+. It is terribly frustrating, but I'm not going to get irate over the approach to this year's draft. I thought they did well with the picks they had. Would you guys have been happy if we'd been like Jacksonville and done the typical Redskins maneuver of paying too much by trading up in the draft? Now that would have made me irate. We had too many needs to fill in this year's draft. It's inevitable that one need was not going to be met.

As for the Fitzgerald piece, it is certainly fluff, and I think the Redskins way of trying to appease the critics of the draft.

[GWBlitzST]

I just think that Montgomery, Golston, Wilson, Griffen, Carter, Daniels, and Evans would be better than anyone we could have drafted anywhere in the draft. And only Griffen and Daniels are getting up in age, and we can pick DL next year. And I would like to see stats of where our D line finished against other D lines in sacks last year, I bet it was around the middle of the pack. And our run defense was very good. It was only when we went into that deep zone cover two that our D faltered, which was scheme, not talent. Seriously, Carter, Montgomery, Griffen/Golston, Wilson/Washington/Daniels/Evans can get it done and they know the system. It's the offense that's getting overhauled, so we needed to bring in some youth there.

Chris Wilson and Andre Carter will have 20 sacks between them this year. Mark it down.

[dj_stouty]

Different Year...Different DC...Same BS.

[Keino]

i dont think it was ever reported that the d line coach was IN the war room. my guess is that whatever input he gave about campbell came before the board was made up. i cant prove it, but i believe it..

Which makes that argument less valid in my view. We can't know how much influence he had on the 2nd round selections. We do know that the guy responsible for the Draft Board indicated that WR was a bigger need than DE prior to the draft.

[shally]

Which makes that argument less valid in my view. We can't know how much influence he had on the 2nd round selections. We do know that the guy responsible for the Draft Board indicated that WR was a bigger need than DE prior to the draft.

agreed..

but also, cerrato let slip (or was it zorn ?) that on at least a couple of picks they had a DL targeted but the man got selected before the skins came up..

i think it was to their credit that plan B was to select the highest rated guy at another position rather than forcing a pick at DL. it will take a couple of years before we see if they were actually right

personally, i am excited about what Davis may bring to the offense, although, i certainly have concerns about the D line, and have had them for a number of years

[dj_stouty]

agreed..

but also, cerrato let slip (or was it zorn ?) that on at least a couple of picks they had a DL targeted but the man got selected before the skins came up..


Yup...and that "target" was clearly Laws...whom I'm sure Vinny had a loveaffar with due to the Notre Dame connection.

I screamed out loud when Laws was picked, because I knew our next pick was going to be an out-of-the box selection.

[shally]

Yup...and that "target" was clearly Laws...whom I'm sure Vinny had a loveaffar with due to the Notre Dame connection.

I screamed out loud when Laws was picked, because I knew our next pick was going to be an out-of-the box selection.


laws was one of my absolute favorites in the entire draft.. i hope he doesnt come home to haunt us for years

but, that is the uncertainty of the draft. if we had taken laws instead of thomas, would thomas have been there when we picked ? i really doubt it, so i guess if i had to pick one or the other, i would take thomas because i THINK he will turn out to be a better long term player, and he is clearly at a position of greater need for the skins.

davis over laws ? not a chance.. but sometimes that is what happens and it comes back to my number one rule of drafting: if you really really want someone, it is more important to actually get that player, rather than worry when you got that player.

credit philly for doing what they need to do

[shally]

I just think that Montgomery, Golston, Wilson, Griffen, Carter, Daniels, and Evans would be better than anyone we could have drafted anywhere in the draft. And only Griffen and Daniels are getting up in age, and we can pick DL next year. And I would like to see stats of where our D line finished against other D lines in sacks last year, I bet it was around the middle of the pack. And our run defense was very good. It was only when we went into that deep zone cover two that our D faltered, which was scheme, not talent. Seriously, Carter, Montgomery, Griffen/Golston, Wilson/Washington/Daniels/Evans can get it done and they know the system. It's the offense that's getting overhauled, so we needed to bring in some youth there.

Chris Wilson and Andre Carter will have 20 sacks between them this year. Mark it down.

wilson and carter with 20 sacks total ? not a chance, unless both are on the "juice" this off season.

wilson looks to be about a 5-6 sack player, if full time (he wont be) and i dont see any way that carter increases his sack total over the 10.5 he had last year. 15 would be an extremely optimistic total for the defensive ends as a group. we are going to need edge rush from marcus and whoever else they use as a 3rd down rush specialist to get 20 from the edges..

[guess88]

On the bright side, hopefully our revamped offense will actually give the D a chance to rest up and stay fresh. How many quarters did we repeatedly go 3 and out?

[shally]

On the bright side, hopefully our revamped offense will actually give the D a chance to rest up and stay fresh. How many quarters did we repeatedly go 3 and out?

true... and hopefully our rookie punter shows the capacity to pin opponents inside their own 20's on a repeated basis

[native skin]

true... and hopefully our rookie punter shows the capacity to pin opponents inside their own 20's on a repeated basis

Yes, indeed!

[warpaint]

laws was one of my absolute favorites in the entire draft.. i hope he doesnt come home to haunt us for years

but, that is the uncertainty of the draft. if we had taken laws instead of thomas, would thomas have been there when we picked ? i really doubt it, so i guess if i had to pick one or the other, i would take thomas because i THINK he will turn out to be a better long term player, and he is clearly at a position of greater need for the skins.

davis over laws ? not a chance.. but sometimes that is what happens and it comes back to my number one rule of drafting: if you really really want someone, it is more important to actually get that player, rather than worry when you got that player.

credit philly for doing what they need to do

you know shally i am with you with wanting laws he was my favorite player in the entire draft, and if not for philly think he would have been drafted by us and to be honest i would be thinking of this as our best draft ever, not in that in 3 years time but at the end of the draft, over the years i know there have been many players i liked a lot, dont know why but many times these players have been taken right before we selected ,and boy i have had to use some 4 lettered words here which havent gone over very well with the wife lol , i think the only player i ever really wanted and we took was sean taylor, happy day here when we took him ,and was sad this year with him not being here anymore. so we win some,lose some, sorry we didnt get laws,but excited about the players we did get.

[Cutter]

Akh, or someone else that really follows, who are the top DT's that are expected to declare for the 2009 draft?

[shally]

you know shally i am with you with wanting laws he was my favorite player in the entire draft, and if not for philly think he would have been drafted by us and to be honest i would be thinking of this as our best draft ever, not in that in 3 years time but at the end of the draft, over the years i know there have been many players i liked a lot, dont know why but many times these players have been taken right before we selected ,and boy i have had to use some 4 lettered words here which havent gone over very well with the wife lol , i think the only player i ever really wanted and we took was sean taylor, happy day here when we took him ,and was sad this year with him not being here anymore. so we win some,lose some, sorry we didnt get laws,but excited about the players we did get.

when davis proceeds to torment the rest of the nfc east for years, i will be more than happy to step forward and say i wanted him all along..

we had both good and bad luck-- as do most teams.. i was stunned that thomas lasted as long as he did. but not as stunned as when he wasnt even the first receiver taken.. go figure..still, i think this was a very good draft in terms of potential. the rest is up to the individual players

[Red Bear]

But when a defensive unit ranks almost last in sacks in the NFL and the only thing you add to it is a year of age


also you add a year of experience for the younger guys like montgomery, golston, and wilson. another year of andre carter being used to playing end again and not LB

quit always looking at the negative. granted everythings not positive, but its not all bad either

we have a lot of roster spots used on dlineman before the draft, perhaps thats one reason not to address it and instead use the draft to take players where we didnt have many spots taken such as WR and safety

[guess88]

true... and hopefully our rookie punter shows the capacity to pin opponents inside their own 20's on a repeated basis

I'm actually really stoked to see him punt (hopefully a rare occasion.) He's listed as one of the greatest college punters in a long time, and he actually kinda has a highlight reel. Any punter with a highlight reel has to be something special.

[Meatsnack]

Akh, or someone else that really follows, who are the top DT's that are expected to declare for the 2009 draft?

D-linemen in no specific order as taken from various 2009 1st round mocks (including our own Big Country's 2009 mock from the Draft Academy (http://draftacademy.blogspot.com/)):

Tyson Jackson - DE - LSU
Greg Hardy - DE - Mississippi
Greg Middleton - DE - Indiana
B.J. Raji - DT - Boston College
Al Woods - DT - LSU
Michael Johnson - DE - Georgia Tech
Fili Moala- DT - Southern Cal.
Sen'Derrick Marks - DT - Auburn

I don't list George Selvie from South Florida because, while a sack machine, at 255# he is too smal to be a true DE.

For our needs this year, isn't Rod Coleman still out there? He is a 1-2 year fix at 3-tch DT. His sack numbers are very good barring his injury plagued 2007 in which he played 5 games and still got 2 sacks. Witness:
'99 - 3 games no sacks
'00 - 13 games, 6 sacks
'01 - 14 games, 6 sacks
'02 - 14 games, 11 sacks
'03 - 16 games 5.5 sacks
'04 - 13 games 11.5 sacks
'05 - 16 games, 10.5 sacks
'06 - 15 games, 6 sacks
'07 - 5 games, 2 sacks

These are darned fine numbers for a DT, and better than any player we have. If he is 33, then so what, if he is healthy and in shape? Sign him to a deal filled with guaranteed bonuses and performance escalators.

[GWBlitzST]

wilson and carter with 20 sacks total ? not a chance, unless both are on the "juice" this off season.

wilson looks to be about a 5-6 sack player, if full time (he wont be) and i dont see any way that carter increases his sack total over the 10.5 he had last year. 15 would be an extremely optimistic total for the defensive ends as a group. we are going to need edge rush from marcus and whoever else they use as a 3rd down rush specialist to get 20 from the edges..

Wilson had 5 (or 6, depending who you ask) sacks in a VERY limited role last year, including two sacks in the playoff game in Seattle. And yes Marcus Washington will put in his efforts as well. There is no reason to think that Carter's production will tail off. He has proven to be a very consistent player and is now fully adapted back to the DE position.

[skinsfan36]

laws was one of my absolute favorites in the entire draft.. i hope he doesnt come home to haunt us for years

but, that is the uncertainty of the draft. if we had taken laws instead of thomas, would thomas have been there when we picked ? i really doubt it, so i guess if i had to pick one or the other, i would take thomas because i THINK he will turn out to be a better long term player, and he is clearly at a position of greater need for the skins.

davis over laws ? not a chance.. but sometimes that is what happens and it comes back to my number one rule of drafting: if you really really want someone, it is more important to actually get that player, rather than worry when you got that player.

credit philly for doing what they need to do

yeah i was super pissed when philly drafted him at pick 50 ugh!

[skinsfan36]

does anyone see us signing ted washington(can collapse the pocket because hes a mamoth,experience with blanche) or rodd coleman for dt depth,or darrion scott(can play dt/de) who we worked out earlier this offseason. i think we need a vet lb to like colvin(probbaly a colt by the end of the week) or ian gold but thats for another topic

[shally]

does anyone see us signing ted washington(can collapse the pocket because hes a mamoth,experience with blanche) or rodd coleman for dt depth,or darrion scott(can play dt/de) who we worked out earlier this offseason. i think we need a vet lb to like colvin(probbaly a colt by the end of the week) or ian gold but thats for another topic

ian scott was signed today.. by the panthers, i think.. philly got nothing for their investment last year..IR..

i dont think we sign any vets until camp.. and then only if the injury bug bites us hard.. we are going younger, wherever we can..

[Brokenstriker]

Wasn't much in the UDFA signings either other than Gatewood at LB. They didn't exactly bring home the bacon for D Line in the UDFA signings either. Is it just not worth trolling for an unknown from a junior college or the CA Penal System?

Maybe they are going to target a FA signing (but who?).

[colkurtz]

Wasn't much in the UDFA signings either other than Gatewood at LB. They didn't exactly bring home the bacon for D Line in the UDFA signings either. Is it just not worth trolling for an unknown from a junior college or the CA Penal System?

Maybe they are going to target a FA signing (but who?).

Kerry Brown was a very good UDFA pickup - see the thread about him.

I think the Redskins would have drafted a DE, but the ones they wanted went earlier. As Shally said, better to move to the next player on their wish list then to reach for players who they were unsure about. Historically this was a draft which early targeted a lot of OL and DL players.

Also, if we are honest, this franchise just doesn't like to draft DE's - last top DE pick was 1997? Some teams draft them every years[Beagles], whereas only we so once decade or less.

BL - Zorn came in to fix a tepid offense. Blache I think is just a one-year guy, either by choice, or because he can't cut it. Personally I believe Blache took this job for an extra year in loyalty to his players but his heart isn't in it long-term.

[Brokenstriker]

I'll check him out - thanks for the heads up

[shally]

Kerry Brown was a very good UDFA pickup - see the thread about him.

I think the Redskins would have drafted a DE, but the ones they wanted went earlier. As Shally said, better to move to the next player on their wish list then to reach for players who they were unsure about. Historically this was a draft which early targeted a lot of OL and DL players.

Also, if we are honest, this franchise just doesn't like to draft DE's - last top DE pick was 1997? Some teams draft them every years[Beagles], whereas only we so once decade or less.

BL - Zorn came in to fix a tepid offense. Blache I think is just a one-year guy, either by choice, or because he can't cut it. Personally I believe Blache took this job for an extra year in loyalty to his players but his heart isn't in it long-term.

totally agree about blache.. i think he wanted to retire and returned only out of a sense of loyalty to his players.. this will be his last year.. next year we either
elevate one of the def coaches to DC, or zorn pulls in someone from outside.
if the defense plays well, i think it goes to someone like olivadotti-- a younger guy

[skinsfan36]

totally agree about blache.. i think he wanted to retire and returned only out of a sense of loyalty to his players.. this will be his last year.. next year we either
elevate one of the def coaches to DC, or zorn pulls in someone from outside.
if the defense plays well, i think it goes to someone like olivadotti-- a younger guy

i wouldnt mind that olivadatti is an up and comer