Projected 2008 Roster

[Skins7ny]

Projecting the roster for the season.
I think Brennan makes the team ahead of Hollenbach (he is Zorn's guy).
I think Schmitt is the backup FB by default (unless a June cut takes his spot, or Nemo shows he can block and catch).
I think Mix beats out Thrash as the Skins go young at the position.
I think Kelly starts at WR before long, pushing ARE to 3rd WR and ahead of Thomas b/c Kelly may be more NFL-ready.
LAlexander continues to serve double-duty as the 10th OL.
Gatewood makes team as 7th LB.
Rogers starts the season on the roster and is inactive for the first couple of games, then eases into a dime/nickel role until fully recovered. Or Eubanks/Westbrook gets a spot for first 6 weeks while Carlos is on PUP list.

Have at it.


QB JCampbell TCollins CBrennan
HB CPortis LBetts RCartwright MMason
FB MSellers PSchmitt
WR MKelly SMoss ARandle-El DThomas AMix
TE CCooley FDavis TYoder
OL1 CSamuels PKendall CRabach RThomas JJansen
OL2 SHeyer CRinehart JFabini TWade
ST SSuisham DBrooks EAlbright
DE ACarter PDaniels DEvans CWilson
DT CGriffin AMontgomery KGolston LAlexander
MLB LFletcher HBlades KCampbell
OLB MWashington RMcIntosh MSinclair CGatewood
CB SSprings FSmoot CRogers JTryon LTorrence
DB LLandry RDoughty KMoore CHorton

[CNYSkinFan]

I don't think Pete schmitt or leigh torrence make the teamm. I forsee a 5th DT being kept because that is what was kept under Gibbs and Blatche was line coach there. Maybe a 5th safety as well. or 10th oline guy

[Skins7ny]

I thought Torrence was pretty good last year.
I think we should keep a 10th OL. History shows that we need the depth.
I think our backup FB is not on the roster yet. We will sign someone in June cuts, or more likely in the roster cutdowns we will sign someone with some WCO experience.

[akhhorus]

jmo, but I think Kerry Brown will make it over Wade or Fabini. Boatman, if he's more than just a project might make it over the other. Also, I think Jackson will make it over Evans.

[native skin]

We look pretty thin at OLB. What's Macintosh's time frame?

[native skin]

jmo, but I think Kerry Brown will make it over Wade or Fabini.
God I hope so!

[VegasSkinsFan]

I don't think Pete schmitt or leigh torrence make the teamm. I forsee a 5th DT being kept because that is what was kept under Gibbs and Blatche was line coach there. Maybe a 5th safety as well. or 10th oline guy

5th DT might be Askew if he can get his head straight. Wasnt he the guy with a lot of potential coming out of college but got lazy or something? Otherwise 5th Dt is good-ole PD haha. Tenth OL would probably be LO , or one of the new guys.

[VegasSkinsFan]

I thought Torrence was pretty good last year.
I think we should keep a 10th OL. History shows that we need the depth.
I think our backup FB is not on the roster yet. We will sign someone in June cuts, or more likely in the roster cutdowns we will sign someone with some WCO experience.

I thought Torrence was ok, has potential, can he turn it up a notch. Your safety crew looks a little green. To anyone who can answer this....how hard is it to make a switch from cb to safety? thanks

[Hrabanmaur]

I'm betting that at least one of our new UDFA O-lineman makes the team. Financially, they're much friendlier than Fabini and Wade, and I can't imagine that they're much worse than them.

[esmith1790]

I thought Torrence was ok, has potential, can he turn it up a notch. Your safety crew looks a little green. To anyone who can answer this....how hard is it to make a switch from cb to safety? thanks


second that!

[NCskinsfanatic]

jmo, but I think Kerry Brown will make it over Wade or Fabini. Boatman, if he's more than just a project might make it over the other. Also, I think Jackson will make it over Evans.

I have to agree with ya here, not sure about Jackson...havent even seen video of him though. I think Evans can still be valuable because of his ability to play tackle and end. I suppose it just depends on how many DL we keep and if Sellers is the only FB again.

[CNYSkinFan]

dont forget about Boschetti....he is a beast......

[bigsetz]

what about KR/PR? we have about 6 guys on the team now that can do it...thoughts?

[shally]

i think we are going to get a lot younger.

holdover guys like k campbell, boschetti, evans, sinclair, eubanks, thrash, rock
who are reserves are going to be especially vulnerable because younger guys have a bigger upside and are cheaper.

i expect we are going to see quite a few be replaced

[skinsfan36]

i think we are going to get a lot younger.

holdover guys like k campbell, boschetti, evans, sinclair, eubanks, thrash, rock
who are reserves are going to be especially vulnerable because younger guys have a bigger upside and are cheaper.

i expect we are going to see quite a few be replaced

agreed i see gatewood,some young de,2 udfa olinemen making this team and campbell,evans,boschetti really struggling for their jobs

[Hr fan]

jmo, but I think Kerry Brown will make it over Wade or Fabini. Boatman, if he's more than just a project might make it over the other. Also, I think Jackson will make it over Evans.

Agree. Brown fits a need with Thomas' and Kendall's health situation. Rheinhart's and Fabini's flexibility (G/T) makes Wade expendible, plus Heyer's maturation. IMO DeVan makes the PS and is promoted on first Oline injury. Boschetti and Evans have had their shot and didn't take advantage, tho I think if any vet RDE is available Jackson will be on the PS with Boatman (if Buges sees a future for him).

[3644Skins]

Can somebody fill me in on this Gatewood guy? Seems like a few are giving him a real chance to make the team.

[Skins7ny]

We look pretty thin at OLB. What's Macintosh's time frame?
They are still saying that he will be at his usual RLB spot in week one. I don't know if they anticipate him practicing this weekend or when camp opens in July.
jmo, but I think Kerry Brown will make it over Wade or Fabini. Boatman, if he's more than just a project might make it over the other. Also, I think Jackson will make it over Evans.
I like Kerry Brown a lot, and think he has a pretty good shot to make the roster. However, I projected him on the PS, with an opportunity to make the roster due to injury or to compete in 2009, because I think to protect JC they will stick with veterans this year and try to stash some guys on PS while they learn the pro game. We need to get younger on OL, so if Brown beats out a veteran, that would be great.
5th DT might be Askew if he can get his head straight. Wasnt he the guy with a lot of potential coming out of college but got lazy or something? Otherwise 5th Dt is good-ole PD haha. Tenth OL would probably be LO , or one of the new guys.
Askew got cut last year. They chose Boschetti over him. Askew has done almost nothing in the league, and has been hanging around its fringes for several years now. He is running out of chances.
I thought Torrence was ok, has potential, can he turn it up a notch. Your safety crew looks a little green. To anyone who can answer this....how hard is it to make a switch from cb to safety? thanks
The choice at safety is between going green or keeping Vernon Fox. I think they drafted 2 safeties with the intention going green. If Horton is not worthy of making the roster, there will be veteran safeties cut in August who can step in and play. Priouleau signed with GW yesterday.

As far as switching from CB to S, I think it depends on the individual. Some guys don't have the skill set to do both. A lot of CBs don't play the run (whether it be inability to diagnose plays, fight through traffic on the inside of the playing field, or inability to hit or tackle) well enough to make the switch. Also, a smallish guy like Justin Tryon (for example) cannot really make the switch (although GWilliams was more willing to play a smallish safety than most teams are). Shawn Springs (if that is who you are talking about) has good size for either free or strong safety, and the perception is that he has the smarts and experience to make the transition pretty seamlessly. I don't see any other CB on the roster who could make the switch, except maybe Carlos Rogers. I thought Eddie Jackson (backup-type signed in off-season) had experience at safety as well, but they list him at CB.
I have to agree with ya here, not sure about Jackson...havent even seen video of him though. I think Evans can still be valuable because of his ability to play tackle and end. I suppose it just depends on how many DL we keep and if Sellers is the only FB again.
Evans is still a valuable player. He can tandem with Wilson or Marcus Washington at left end when Daniles inevitably gets hurt. Jackson was a wasted pick. He is small, slow, and had very little production in college. I don't know why Palermo supposedly advocated drafting him. I think the UFA we signed, Dorian Smith, is a better prospect than Jackson.
dont forget about Boschetti....he is a beast......
I left him off the projected roster, but he is Rasputin. His Redskins career can't be killed.
what about KR/PR? we have about 6 guys on the team now that can do it...thoughts?
I think that Cartwright keeps the KR job because he will be better at it than Ladell Betts, James Thrash and Kareem Moore and because they will want Devin Thomas to concentrate on learning his position. I don't think Jerome Mathis makes the team. Maybe they give Rock a chance to see if he can return punts, or maybe they let ARE keep the job with the idea that he will be getting a lot less playing time at WR if the rookies advance quickly. We cannot have another PR year like we had last year. I don't know if Moore can return punts, Mathis can't. I would let Thrash return punts before ARE this year, if Thrash makes the team.
i think we are going to get a lot younger.
holdover guys like k campbell, boschetti, evans, sinclair, eubanks, thrash, rock
who are reserves are going to be especially vulnerable because younger guys have a bigger upside and are cheaper.

i expect we are going to see quite a few be replaced
I think you are right. One thing I like about Zorn as opposed to Gibbs is that I don't think Zorn is going to be afraid to play rookies and other younger players. I think he realizes this is an old team and needs to get younger, and that the time to do it is now with a new system and many new coaches.
Can somebody fill me in on this Gatewood guy? Seems like a few are giving him a real chance to make the team.
6-2 248 RDE out of Vanderbilt who projects to OLB in the pros. Ran the 40 in 4.76, which is very good for a DE and just OK for a LB. Had 7 sacks in 2006, 3.5 sacks in 2007, when he was asked to stunt more inside instead of rushing the edge. Has frame to get bigger. Showed at the Combine that he had the agility to switch positions. A very hard worker. I think he has a legit shot because we are thin at LB. I think the 5th and 6th LB spots will come down to him, Campbell and Sinclair.

[bergiemoore]

jmo, but I think Kerry Brown will make it over Wade or Fabini. Boatman, if he's more than just a project might make it over the other. Also, I think Jackson will make it over Evans.

From your lips to Bob's ears.

[coffdogg]

jmo, but I think Kerry Brown will make it over Wade or Fabini. Boatman, if he's more than just a project might make it over the other. Also, I think Jackson will make it over Evans.I think Fabini stays because he stepped in at G where he had not played and did alright in the eyes of Buges. Wade however could be meat with Heyer still developing. Also Boatman is practice squad bound to try and develop and Brown should be on the roster as the top G backup

[bergiemoore]

I think Fabini stays because he stepped in at G where he had not played and did alright in the eyes of Buges. Wade however could be meat with Heyer still developing. Also Boatman is practice squad bound to try and develop and Brown should be on the roster as the top G backup

Fabini was a last ditch gasp for Buges. The addition of Rinehart and Brown, along with other various UDFA projects is an attempt by the Skins FO to never see Fabini on the field again, ever. Fabini stunk it up, especially in the wild-card game. He routinely missed assignments, and couldn't handle DTs one-on-one.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I think Nemo will make the team before Pete Schmitt. Nemo is a citadel guy and so is Stump Mitchell, that should help Nemo make the team. Plus Nemo makes plays on Special Teams.

[skinsfan36]

u also have to guess when does stoutmire come back lol

[akhhorus]

Can somebody fill me in on this Gatewood guy? Seems like a few are giving him a real chance to make the team.

He's 6-2 247 and runs a 4.74 40. Not really quick, but good straight line speed. He's a DE/OLB tweener with good pass rushing abilities.

[bigcmr]

What about back up Center? Do we have a G/C going into camp?

[PennSkinsFan]

Projecting the roster for the season.
I think Brennan makes the team ahead of Hollenbach (he is Zorn's guy).
I think Schmitt is the backup FB by default (unless a June cut takes his spot, or Nemo shows he can block and catch).
I think Mix beats out Thrash as the Skins go young at the position.
I think Kelly starts at WR before long, pushing ARE to 3rd WR and ahead of Thomas b/c Kelly may be more NFL-ready.
LAlexander continues to serve double-duty as the 10th OL.
Gatewood makes team as 7th LB.
Rogers starts the season on the roster and is inactive for the first couple of games, then eases into a dime/nickel role until fully recovered. Or Eubanks/Westbrook gets a spot for first 6 weeks while Carlos is on PUP list.

Have at it.


QB JCampbell TCollins CBrennan
HB CPortis LBetts RCartwright MMason
FB MSellers PSchmitt
WR MKelly SMoss ARandle-El DThomas AMix
TE CCooley FDavis TYoder
OL1 CSamuels PKendall CRabach RThomas JJansen
OL2 SHeyer CRinehart JFabini TWade
ST SSuisham DBrooks EAlbright
DE ACarter PDaniels DEvans CWilson
DT CGriffin AMontgomery KGolston LAlexander
MLB LFletcher HBlades KCampbell
OLB MWashington RMcIntosh MSinclair CGatewood
CB SSprings FSmoot CRogers JTryon LTorrence
DB LLandry RDoughty KMoore CHorton

They best not keep Thrash over Mix. Come on. No question about it. Yes, Thrash is awesome on STs, but so is Mix. Mis is younger, taller, and obviously, from mini-camp notes, a receiver on the rise.

Glad to see you have Brooks over Frost.


I don't think both Moore and Horton make it. I think one does, one doesn't.

[skinsfan36]

have an inkling here dylan gandy was released from the colts a few days ago and i think we make a play for him
1-he can play guard AND center
2-hes young
3-our reserves could make our oline future look brihgt rinehart,heyer,brown,gandy,and i see clark playing on the practice squad until hes ready

[Skins7ny]

I think Nemo will make the team before Pete Schmitt. Nemo is a citadel guy and so is Stump Mitchell, that should help Nemo make the team. Plus Nemo makes plays on Special Teams.
Byner supposedly loved Nemo and was the reason we drafted him. He still never saw the field. Nemo is a halfback trapped in a fullback's body. If he is going to make the team, it will have to be as a FB, and there is no evidence that he can block or catch well enough. Those are not the skills that got him drafted.
They best not keep Thrash over Mix. Come on. No question about it. Yes, Thrash is awesome on STs, but so is Mix. Mis is younger, taller, and obviously, from mini-camp notes, a receiver on the rise.

Glad to see you have Brooks over Frost.


I don't think both Moore and Horton make it. I think one does, one doesn't.
-I did pick Thrash over Mix. I can see them both making it if we keep 6 receivers. However, Zorn also has been talking up Maurice Mann and Burl Toler.
-There is no way Brooks loses out to Frost. I think Brooks will beat Frost out cleanly, but Danny Smith will put up with some inconsitency from Brooks since his upside is so great, and since Frost is such an inconsistent punter anyway.
=If Moore and Horton don't both make it, who is our 4th safety? Vernon Fox? He is not really a safety, he is purely a special teamer. Maybe Eddie Jackson, who is versatile and has a little bit more experience. If it is close, as I suspect it will be, I think they keep both rookies. Most likely scenario is we sign a veteran safety gets released in final cuts.

[redskin_rich]

Carlos Rogers could likely start the season on the PUP list, so you should probably add another CB, if this is your projected roster for September.

[Skins7ny]

Carlos Rogers could likely start the season on the PUP list, so you should probably add another CB, if this is your projected roster for September.

You are probably right, but I am holding out hope that he will be ready for opening day like he says, or that he may just miss a couple of weeks, in which case they probably would not PUP him. I would think Eubanks has the inside track on the spot if Rogers is PUP'd.

[silverspring]

Agree about Brown, him heyer and reinhart should all make roster.

Also agree with sentiment that it is time to say so long to thrash. If we didn't draft so many pass catchers we could probably fit him in there but now that we want to put thomas and kelly on the roster in addition to moss and are we just don't have room. I would much rather keep mix, especially considering that he can fill thrash's role on teams.


I like yoder, but I doubt we keep him, i think the roster is going to be too crowded and lorenzo alexander seemed to be able to fill yoder's role when necessary.

It is also questionable as to whether we would keep 4 running backs.

I wish there was some other DE on that list that would give me some hope.

[skinsfan36]

Agree about Brown, him heyer and reinhart should all make roster.

Also agree with sentiment that it is time to say so long to thrash. If we didn't draft so many pass catchers we could probably fit him in there but now that we want to put thomas and kelly on the roster in addition to moss and are we just don't have room. I would much rather keep mix, especially considering that he can fill thrash's role on teams.


I like yoder, but I doubt we keep him, i think the roster is going to be too crowded and lorenzo alexander seemed to be able to fill yoder's role when necessary.

It is also questionable as to whether we would keep 4 running backs.

I wish there was some other DE on that list that would give me some hope.

buzbee bulked up you never know :)

[VegasSkinsFan]

buzbee bulked up you never know :)

He is listed at 265 but someone, maybe you, posted that he was at 275. If he kept his speed and has been coached up, who knows. GO SKINS !!!!!

[silverspring]

buzbee bulked up you never know :)


Yeah, i was kind of a little excited about alonzo dotson, but that didn't last long. Pretty much everyone else on the roster at DE is a known quantity. Definitely some upside with guys like wilson, but I still feel we need a big power rusher rather than a speed rusher. Hopefully buzzbee steps up this year.

[Hr fan]

Projecting the roster for the season.
I think Brennan makes the team ahead of Hollenbach (he is Zorn's guy).
I think Schmitt is the backup FB by default (unless a June cut takes his spot, or Nemo shows he can block and catch).
I think Mix beats out Thrash as the Skins go young at the position.
I think Kelly starts at WR before long, pushing ARE to 3rd WR and ahead of Thomas b/c Kelly may be more NFL-ready.
LAlexander continues to serve double-duty as the 10th OL.
Gatewood makes team as 7th LB.
Rogers starts the season on the roster and is inactive for the first couple of games, then eases into a dime/nickel role until fully recovered. Or Eubanks/Westbrook gets a spot for first 6 weeks while Carlos is on PUP list.

Have at it.


QB JCampbell TCollins CBrennan
HB CPortis LBetts RCartwright MMason
FB MSellers PSchmitt
WR MKelly SMoss ARandle-El DThomas AMix
TE CCooley FDavis TYoder
OL1 CSamuels PKendall CRabach RThomas JJansen
OL2 SHeyer CRinehart JFabini TWade
ST SSuisham DBrooks EAlbright
DE ACarter PDaniels DEvans CWilson
DT CGriffin AMontgomery KGolston LAlexander
MLB LFletcher HBlades KCampbell
OLB MWashington RMcIntosh MSinclair CGatewood
CB SSprings FSmoot CRogers JTryon LTorrence
DB LLandry RDoughty KMoore CHorton

Looks good to me with 2 exceptions. First Wade often played behind (and IMO worse) than Heyer. If Rinehart matures he can also b/u OT. We need a OG/C, maybe not on the roster now, but I think Brown to PS and DeVan on the roster. Second why Mason? He will need to show pass blocking/receiving skills to make it, and IMO Buzbee with his weight gain or another OLB seems more logical. I think Mason to PS unless he shows so much another team would scarf him up.

[Skins7ny]

Yeah, i was kind of a little excited about alonzo dotson, but that didn't last long. Pretty much everyone else on the roster at DE is a known quantity. Definitely some upside with guys like wilson, but I still feel we need a big power rusher rather than a speed rusher. Hopefully buzzbee steps up this year.
Dotson wasn't even profiled in PFW's Scout's Notebook, which is usually a very bad sign. Every other undrafted free agent we signed was, with the exception of the WR from St. Olaf's. The only reason to have gotten excited about him was his lineage. Has Jordan Palmer taught you nothing? :)
Looks good to me with 2 exceptions. First Wade often played behind (and IMO worse) than Heyer. If Rinehart matures he can also b/u OT. We need a OG/C, maybe not on the roster now, but I think Brown to PS and DeVan on the roster. Second why Mason? He will need to show pass blocking/receiving skills to make it, and IMO Buzbee with his weight gain or another OLB seems more logical. I think Mason to PS unless he shows so much another team would scarf him up.
I have Heyer backing up primarily at LT and Wade at RT, but they are pretty interchangeable. You are right that Heyer finished the year ahead of Wade, and I do like Heyer's upside. However, we are all down on Wade b/c he had a bad year. If he is healthy, I look for him to bounce back this year and play well. Hopefully, we don't need him, but let's remember how well he played in 2006 when called upon. I wouldn't cut him (I know he has a big cap #) if I didn't have to, unless he has a terrible camp. For reasons I have posted elsewhere, I don't think DeVan is going to make the team. He just isn't that good a prospect. I think Brown has a good chance to make the roster at some point in 2008, possibly even week one. I think Mason makes the team because (a) I don't really see anybody else on the 80-man roster who I would rather keep and (b) with CP's and Ladell's history of minor injuries, I think Zorn will want to have another alternative on the roster, if for no other reason that to keep pressure on the other two guys to heal quickly.

[Brokenstriker]

What about back up Center? Do we have a G/C going into camp?

Wouldn't be surprised to see Rinehart as a BU at one of these positions

[Redskin4Life]

Here's the way I see it:


QB Devine is the third stringer with QB Brennan going to IR.
In a surprising move, the Redskins FO finds a way to trade RB Mason to the Baltimore Ravens for a '09 4th round pick.
RB/FB Cartwright makes the team and becomes the KR/PR ST ace with the guidance of Brian Mitchell.
The offense needs 6 WRs with all the multiple sets and WR Thrash stays on cause of his familiarity with the WC offense.
TE Yoder sticks so we can use more 2 TE sets.
The youth movement has finally begun on the OLine (all vets are cut to make space for the young guys).
DE Alex Buzbee surprises all and makes the team as the versatile DE/DT player to replace Philip Daniels next season.
DT Matthais Askew makes the team as the "underachiever that grows up and comes to play".
Halfway through the season, DL Ryan Boschetti gets signed after a player gets IRed.
DB Vernon Fox loses out to CHorton simply cause Horton's cheaper and has potential.
Carlos Rogers won't be ready for the season opener and Eubanks will play in his place until he's taken off the PUP list.
DB KMoore will go to IR while CB Westbrook takes his spot (CB Springs will play backup safety).
Draft picks that go to the PS: DE Rob Jackson
QB JCampbell TCollins DDevine
RB CPortis LBetts RCartwright
FB MSellers
WR MKelly SMoss ARandle-El DThomas AMix JThrash
TE CCooley FDavis TYoder
OL1 CSamuels PKendall CRabach RThomas JJansen
OL2 SHeyer CRinehart KDeVan KBrown
ST SSuisham DBrooks EAlbright
DE ACarter PDaniels ABuzbee CWilson
DT CGriffin AMontgomery KGolston LAlexander MAskew
MLB LFletcher HBlades KCampbell
OLB MWashington RMcIntosh MSinclair CGatewood
CB SSprings FSmoot CRogers JTryon LTorrence BWestbrook
DB LLandry RDoughty CHorton

[CNYSkinFan]

wait why would Baltimore give up a 4th round pick for a UFDA that could not make the regular roster last year? Am I missing something here?

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

At eastern motors, motors. You're job's your credit, credit.

[Cutter]

Did you all notice that in training camp they had Thomas AND Kelly playing Moss' position?

[shally]

wait why would Baltimore give up a 4th round pick for a UFDA that could not make the regular roster last year? Am I missing something here?


agree.. that will never happen.. he might make the roster outright, but he has zero trade value.. just too many players like him out there already..

[Redskin4Life]

wait why would Baltimore give up a 4th round pick for a UFDA that could not make the regular roster last year? Am I missing something here?
Am I mistaken or wasn't Mason on our 53 man roster from Day 1?

http://www.topix.com/football-players/marcus-mason/2007/09/local-flavor-spices-roster-practice-squad

[CNYSkinFan]

Am I mistaken or wasn't Mason on our 53 man roster from Day 1?

http://www.topix.com/football-players/marcus-mason/2007/09/local-flavor-spices-roster-practice-squad
your mistaken...the practice squad is not the 53 man roster...it is above and beyond the 53 man roster.

And let me just say this, Mason has done NOTHING to show he is an nfl talent. A few good runs against 4th and 5th string subs in the preseason does not make a quality back.

he has another year of eligibility on the PS. I do think he might end up there again

[Redskin4Life]

your mistaken...the practice squad is not the 53 man roster...it is above and beyond the 53 man roster.

And let me just say this, Mason has done NOTHING to show he is an nfl talent. A few good runs against 4th and 5th string subs in the preseason does not make a quality back.

he has another year of eligibility on the PS. I do think he might end up there again
Please read the following quote from the article I attached:

Running back Marcus Mason (Georgetown Prep) made the 53-man roster and could be active for Sunday's season opener against Miami (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Miami?tid=informline) despite being undrafted after transferring to Youngstown State (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/related/topic/Youngstown+State+University?tid=informline).

I'm not saying MMason's a great talent or a diamond in the rough or anything like that. I just found it odd that a guy who's considered nothing more than a PS guy and the 4th RB made the 53 man roster. I guess the coaching staff thinks he's got some talent....

[Redskin4Life]

agree.. that will never happen.. he might make the roster outright, but he has zero trade value.. just too many players like him out there already..

I did say "in a SURPRISING move".....

[CNYSkinFan]

I did say "in a SURPRISING move".....
I am pretty sure that article is wrong. From Marcus Mason's bio at Redskins.com (http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=5019)

Mason spent the 2007 season on the Redskins' practice squad...

it is right at the top lol.

Anyways that was a different coaching staff, a different offencse and might as well be a different world.

Trading MArcus for anything more then a sack of footballs and some beer, warm beer, is about as likely as me winning the boston marathon next year

[Keino]

I am pretty sure that article is wrong. From Marcus Mason's bio at Redskins.com (http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=5019)



it is right at the top lol.

Anyways that was a different coaching staff, a different offencse and might as well be a different world.

Trading MArcus for anything more then a sack of footballs and some beer, warm beer, is about as likely as me winning the boston marathon next year


I believe he made the 53 man roster initially and then was cut and re-signed to the practice squad due to injuries forcing roster moves. The initial article was not incorrect, based on my recollection.

[redskin_rich]

I am pretty sure that article is wrong. From Marcus Mason's bio at Redskins.com (http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=5019)



it is right at the top lol.

Anyways that was a different coaching staff, a different offencse and might as well be a different world.

Trading MArcus for anything more then a sack of footballs and some beer, warm beer, is about as likely as me winning the boston marathon next year

Mason made the 53 man roster to start the season but was released a week later and then signed to the practice squad.

http://www.redskins.com/team/transactions.jsp

Edit- Keino beat me to it but I provided a link. :)

[CNYSkinFan]

so it looks like he was on the roster but not active for the Miami game and got released after Janson's injury to bring up oline help.

I still stand by my statement that if he gets traded for any draft pick no matter what round I will run in the Boston Marathon

[Keino]

Mason made the 53 man roster to start the season but was released a week later and then signed to the practice squad.

http://www.redskins.com/team/transactions.jsp

Edit- Keino beat me to it but I provided a link. :)

LOL. My post was based on Vast Internal knowledge of the team I love. I cannot link the board to my brain.

But thanks for providing a link ;)

[HanburgerBum]

I don't think Pete schmitt or leigh torrence make the teamm. I forsee a 5th DT being kept because that is what was kept under Gibbs and Blatche was line coach there. Maybe a 5th safety as well. or 10th oline guy


I don't know about Pete Schmitt, but Leigh Torrence should be a lock for the 53-men roster. In fact, with the CB situation as iffy as it figures to be (Roger's unlikelihood to be available until mid-season if then, Springs being another year older), don't be shocked if Torrence starts a few games.

I am not saying Torrence is necessarily good enough to start on a consistent basis at this level, but the Skins may have no other option. The guys behind him (Eubanks and Westbrook--especially the latter) don't even look like NFL-caliber corners.

[Skins7ny]

Did you all notice that in training camp they had Thomas AND Kelly playing Moss' position?
Yes, I found that highly interesting. I am sure Santana noticed it too. I am sure the whole team noticed.
your mistaken...the practice squad is not the 53 man roster...it is above and beyond the 53 man roster.

And let me just say this, Mason has done NOTHING to show he is an nfl talent. A few good runs against 4th and 5th string subs in the preseason does not make a quality back.

he has another year of eligibility on the PS. I do think he might end up there again
I disagree with you. Being an "NFL talent" is not necessarily a bright white line, either you are or you are not. A lot of guys are good enough to merit at least a chance at the NFL, it is just a question of the coaches being comfortable enough putting the guy in there and giving him a chance. Look at how Joe Jacoby almost got cut based on one mini-camp. Mason has done enough to stick around, and I don't think anybody here would have batted an eye if he had stuck on the 53-man roster the whole season instead of being demoted presumably because of injuries at other positions. If he proves in practice this year that he has regressed/failed to progress, if he just doesn't produce in games in August, then he will find himself off the roster faster than you can say Jesse Lumsden.
I am pretty sure that article is wrong. From Marcus Mason's bio at Redskins.com (http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=5019)



it is right at the top lol.

Anyways that was a different coaching staff, a different offencse and might as well be a different world.

Trading MArcus for anything more then a sack of footballs and some beer, warm beer, is about as likely as me winning the boston marathon next year
I agree it is highly unusual, but players who are on the street and available do get traded for value soon thereafter. Brian Greise for example was out there for whomever wanted him just last year. Just after the season ended, the Bucs traded a draft pick for him.

[HanburgerBum]

Here's the way I see it:


QB Devine is the third stringer with QB Brennan going to IR.
In a surprising move, the Redskins FO finds a way to trade RB Mason to the Baltimore Ravens for a '09 4th round pick.
RB/FB Cartwright makes the team and becomes the KR/PR ST ace with the guidance of Brian Mitchell.
The offense needs 6 WRs with all the multiple sets and WR Thrash stays on cause of his familiarity with the WC offense.
TE Yoder sticks so we can use more 2 TE sets.
The youth movement has finally begun on the OLine (all vets are cut to make space for the young guys).
DE Alex Buzbee surprises all and makes the team as the versatile DE/DT player to replace Philip Daniels next season.
DT Matthais Askew makes the team as the "underachiever that grows up and comes to play".
Halfway through the season, DL Ryan Boschetti gets signed after a player gets IRed.
DB Vernon Fox loses out to CHorton simply cause Horton's cheaper and has potential.
Carlos Rogers won't be ready for the season opener and Eubanks will play in his place until he's taken off the PUP list.
DB KMoore will go to IR while CB Westbrook takes his spot (CB Springs will play backup safety).
Draft picks that go to the PS: DE Rob Jackson
QB JCampbell TCollins DDevine
RB CPortis LBetts RCartwright
FB MSellers
WR MKelly SMoss ARandle-El DThomas AMix JThrash
TE CCooley FDavis TYoder
OL1 CSamuels PKendall CRabach RThomas JJansen
OL2 SHeyer CRinehart KDeVan KBrown
ST SSuisham DBrooks EAlbright
DE ACarter PDaniels ABuzbee CWilson
DT CGriffin AMontgomery KGolston LAlexander MAskew
MLB LFletcher HBlades KCampbell
OLB MWashington RMcIntosh MSinclair CGatewood
CB SSprings FSmoot CRogers JTryon LTorrence BWestbrook
DB LLandry RDoughty CHorton


1) While you are at it, why not ask the Ravens for a first rounder for Mason? There is about equal chance of getting a 4th rounder for Mason as there is getting a first rounder--zero. You did say "find a way" to make the trade. Maybe the Skins can offer their 4th rounder plus Mason for the Raven's 4th rounder on the hope that Balt would draft ahead of Wash in 2009.

2) Eubanks won't replace Rogers. If it is not Springs, it will be Torrence.

3) Westbrook won't make the roster, even though the team needs help at corner. He simply isn't NFL-material.

4) Alexander is more likely to be make the team as an Olineman instead of a Dlineman.

5) Only 3 safeties? Not very likely.

[PA Skins Girl]

Projecting the roster for the season.
I think Brennan makes the team ahead of Hollenbach (he is Zorn's guy).
I think Schmitt is the backup FB by default (unless a June cut takes his spot, or Nemo shows he can block and catch).
I think Mix beats out Thrash as the Skins go young at the position.
I think Kelly starts at WR before long, pushing ARE to 3rd WR and ahead of Thomas b/c Kelly may be more NFL-ready.
LAlexander continues to serve double-duty as the 10th OL.
Gatewood makes team as 7th LB.
Rogers starts the season on the roster and is inactive for the first couple of games, then eases into a dime/nickel role until fully recovered. Or Eubanks/Westbrook gets a spot for first 6 weeks while Carlos is on PUP list.

Have at it.


QB JCampbell TCollins CBrennan
HB CPortis LBetts RCartwright MMason
FB MSellers PSchmitt
WR MKelly SMoss ARandle-El DThomas AMix
TE CCooley FDavis TYoder
OL1 CSamuels PKendall CRabach RThomas JJansen
OL2 SHeyer CRinehart JFabini TWade
ST SSuisham DBrooks EAlbright
DE ACarter PDaniels DEvans CWilson
DT CGriffin AMontgomery KGolston LAlexander
MLB LFletcher HBlades KCampbell
OLB MWashington RMcIntosh MSinclair CGatewood
CB SSprings FSmoot CRogers JTryon LTorrence
DB LLandry RDoughty KMoore CHorton

I'd go with the following changes:

QB JCampbell TCollins CBrennan
HB CPortis LBetts RCartwright
FB MSellers
WR MKelly SMoss ARandle-El DThomas AMix JThrash
TE CCooley FDavis TYoder
OL1 CSamuels PKendall CRabach RThomas JJansen
OL2 SHeyer CRinehart JFabini TWade
ST SSuisham DBrooks EAlbright
DE ACarter PDaniels EJames CWilson
DT CGriffin AMontgomery KGolston LAlexander RBoschetti
MLB LFletcher HBlades KCampbell
OLB MWashington RMcIntosh MSinclair CGatewood
CB SSprings FSmoot CRogers BWestbrook LTorrence
DB LLandry RDoughty KMoore SSchweigart

Practice Squad:
KBrown
ACrummey
MMason
JTryon
CHorton
ABuzbee (however would like to see him beat out Daniels)
RJackson
DDevine

IR:
T Ecker

[Lavar703]

1) While you are at it, why not ask the Ravens for a first rounder for Mason? There is about equal chance of getting a 4th rounder for Mason as there is getting a first rounder--zero. You did say "find a way" to make the trade. Maybe the Skins can offer their 4th rounder plus Mason for the Raven's 4th rounder on the hope that Balt would draft ahead of Wash in 2009.

2) Eubanks won't replace Rogers. If it is not Springs, it will be Torrence.

3) Westbrook won't make the roster, even though the team needs help at corner. He simply isn't NFL-material.

4) Alexander is more likely to be make the team as an Olineman instead of a Dlineman.

5) Only 3 safeties? Not very likely.

Please explain to me why Westbrook isnt NFL material and Leigh Torrence is.

[Skins7ny]

I'd go with the following changes:

QB JCampbell TCollins CBrennan
HB CPortis LBetts RCartwright
FB MSellers
WR MKelly SMoss ARandle-El DThomas AMix JThrash
TE CCooley FDavis TYoder
OL1 CSamuels PKendall CRabach RThomas JJansen
OL2 SHeyer CRinehart JFabini TWade
ST SSuisham DBrooks EAlbright
DE ACarter PDaniels EJames CWilson
DT CGriffin AMontgomery KGolston LAlexander RBoschetti
MLB LFletcher HBlades KCampbell
OLB MWashington RMcIntosh MSinclair CGatewood
CB SSprings FSmoot CRogers BWestbrook LTorrence
DB LLandry RDoughty KMoore SSchweigart

Practice Squad:
KBrown
ACrummey
MMason
JTryon
CHorton
ABuzbee (however would like to see him beat out Daniels)
RJackson
DDevine

IR:
T Ecker

I think that Thrash makes the team in place of either Schmitt or Mason off my original projection. I think James makes the team, but I think it is at the expense of Boschetti rather than Evans, who remains valuable as a backup DE and DT. I think if Tryon fails to make the roster ahead of Westbrook that would be a major upset-they drafted him to play nickel or dime corner this year, and I think it will take him getting beaten like a drum in camp/exhibition games for him not to make the roster. For the practice squad, I like FB Schmitt (assuming he is cut under scenario above), TE Ecker (good prospect, needs reps in practice once he gets healthy), TE Goode (good speed, may be a late-bloomer, and Zorn loves his TEs), OG Brown, OG Crummey (I think both players have good shot to make final roster, if not this year then next once Kendall and Fabini retire/get cut), DE Dorian Smith, CB Brian Westbrook,
SS Chris Horton (makes the team if Moore is not fully recovered early in camp). I would like Eric Shelton on the practice squad instead of Schmitt, but I doubt he is eligible.

[saratogan]

A lot of good comments.

The biggest factors, in my opinion, are:
1) The number of players allocated to each of the positions, and
2) Coaches philosophy towards youth vs veterans vs performance in making final cuts

My take is that we need extra spaces for O-line. Key spots to watch are: WR, O-line, DE, OLB, and Saftey with respect to the above.

Has anyone read anything about what Zorn's philosphy is towards how he will make these decisions?

The one interesting thing on the original post about DE is just where does Erasmus James stand?

The one person has a salient question: Where does McIntosh stand on his injury and return? I am afraid that his knees may take him out of the NFL. I hope not, but to be this young and to have that number of surgeries is not a good harbinger.

This coming PS will, if for nothing else, be an extremely interesting blog review of the how things progress. I will stay optimistic and excited about having a good season.

[Skins7ny]

A lot of good comments.

The biggest factors, in my opinion, are:
1) The number of players allocated to each of the positions, and
2) Coaches philosophy towards youth vs veterans vs performance in making final cuts

My take is that we need extra spaces for O-line. Key spots to watch are: WR, O-line, DE, OLB, and Saftey with respect to the above.

Has anyone read anything about what Zorn's philosphy is towards how he will make these decisions?

The one interesting thing on the original post about DE is just where does Erasmus James stand?
The one person has a salient question: Where does McIntosh stand on his injury and return? I am afraid that his knees may take him out of the NFL. I hope not, but to be this young and to have that number of surgeries is not a good harbinger.

This coming PS will, if for nothing else, be an extremely interesting blog review of the how things progress. I will stay optimistic and excited about having a good season.

When I did the original projection, Erasmus James was still a Viking.

As far as Zorn's philosophy is concerned, usually rookie coaches are more amenable to bringing young talent with them, to grow with and to have guys who know no other system or other authority but his. Zorn is particular seems to me (just speculating) more inclined to go with a young player with upside over a veteran who is reliable but limited. He already has implied that Thrash is making the roster, which contradicts my suspicion, but I think he wants a veteran with WCO experience on his roster to help guide the youngsters, and Thrash fits that description along with the other positives he brings (great work ethic, true Redskin, excellent special teamer). Also, I think he will largely defer to Blache on defensive personnel decisions. The question I have is will he defer to Vinny/Danny to the extent that they pressure him about roster decisions, or will he insist on keeping/cutting guys without direction from ownership/FO.

[csquared]

I think that Thrash makes the team in place of either Schmitt or Mason off my original projection. I think James makes the team, but I think it is at the expense of Boschetti rather than Evans, who remains valuable as a backup DE and DT. I think if Tryon fails to make the roster ahead of Westbrook that would be a major upset-they drafted him to play nickel or dime corner this year, and I think it will take him getting beaten like a drum in camp/exhibition games for him not to make the roster. For the practice squad, I like FB Schmitt (assuming he is cut under scenario above), TE Ecker (good prospect, needs reps in practice once he gets healthy), TE Goode (good speed, may be a late-bloomer, and Zorn loves his TEs), OG Brown, OG Crummey (I think both players have good shot to make final roster, if not this year then next once Kendall and Fabini retire/get cut), DE Dorian Smith, CB Brian Westbrook,
SS Chris Horton (makes the team if Moore is not fully recovered early in camp). I would like Eric Shelton on the practice squad instead of Schmitt, but I doubt he is eligible.
Holy hell batman when did we get Brian Westbrook?????

[PA Skins Girl]

I think that Thrash makes the team in place of either Schmitt or Mason off my original projection. I think James makes the team, but I think it is at the expense of Boschetti rather than Evans, who remains valuable as a backup DE and DT. I think if Tryon fails to make the roster ahead of Westbrook that would be a major upset-they drafted him to play nickel or dime corner this year, and I think it will take him getting beaten like a drum in camp/exhibition games for him not to make the roster. For the practice squad, I like FB Schmitt (assuming he is cut under scenario above), TE Ecker (good prospect, needs reps in practice once he gets healthy), TE Goode (good speed, may be a late-bloomer, and Zorn loves his TEs), OG Brown, OG Crummey (I think both players have good shot to make final roster, if not this year then next once Kendall and Fabini retire/get cut), DE Dorian Smith, CB Brian Westbrook,
SS Chris Horton (makes the team if Moore is not fully recovered early in camp). I would like Eric Shelton on the practice squad instead of Schmitt, but I doubt he is eligible.
Yeah, I could flip a coin between Evans and Boschetti. Both players are versatile; Evans has been given more game opportunities. I think they will keep 9 Defensive Lineman. I went with 4 DE and 5 DTs because there are several DEs on the roster that are eligible for the practice squad and no eligible DTs. It’s not totally out of the question that they keep 10 DLineman and only 6 LBs, putting the 7th (Gatewood) on the PS.

[Skins7ny]

Yeah, I could flip a coin between Evans and Boschetti. Both players are versatile; Evans has been given more game opportunities. I think they will keep 9 Defensive Lineman. I went with 4 DE and 5 DTs because there are several DEs on the roster that are eligible for the practice squad and no eligible DTs. It’s not totally out of the question that they keep 10 DLineman and only 6 LBs, putting the 7th (Gatewood) on the PS.
I haven't heard any of the coaches talking about Gatewood yet, which is not a great sign. They released DE Dorian Smith today, so my prediction of his making the practice squad (which was looking bad after they cut him a few weeks ago then re-signed him) isn't going to happen.
Holy hell batman when did we get Brian Westbrook?????
Subconscious, wishful thinking on my part! :)

[HanburgerBum]

Please explain to me why Westbrook isnt NFL material and Leigh Torrence is.


For one thing, I have seen the both of them play. I don't think Westbrook can cover me, and I am old and slow. Just because his brother is a pro bowl caliber player doesn't mean he can play at this level. Hank Aaron had a brother who tried to play major league ball. Don' t the two of them hold the record for the most home runs by a brother tandem--759 (758 by Hank and 1 by his brother)?

Leigh Torrence at least made a NFL roster and actually played CB when the bullets were flying. In fact, don't be shocked if he starts a few games this season.

If Westbrook makes the final 53 roster, the Skins are in a lot deeper trouble at CB than it would appear on the surface.

[skinsfan36]

For one thing, I have seen the both of them play. I don't think Westbrook can cover me, and I am old and slow. Just because his brother is a pro bowl caliber player doesn't mean he can play at this level. Hank Aaron had a brother who tried to play major league ball. Don' t the two of them hold the record for the most home runs by a brother tandem--759 (758 by Hank and 1 by his brother)?

Leigh Torrence at least made a NFL roster and actually played CB when the bullets were flying. In fact, don't be shocked if he starts a few games this season.

If Westbrook makes the final 53 roster, the Skins are in a lot deeper trouble at CB than it would appear on the surface.

im thinking we wign someone in camp if none of the yungsters look ready since rogers will be out until week 5 probably

[HanburgerBum]

im thinking we wign someone in camp if none of the yungsters look ready since rogers will be out until week 5 probably


Very seldom would quality CBs be available for signing during training camp. I think the Skins are going to go with pretty much what they got now.

I am against making any panic deals to acquire a corner. Leto Shepherd is probably still available for trading, but I don't want to give up the store for someone like him.

[Sean T RIP]

Schmitt got cut today

[PA Skins Girl]

Schmitt got cut today

Not a lot of competition at the fullback spot now. It will be interesting to see what they do with Nemo this year. He saw very limited action his first two years and he spent last year on the IR.

[Sean T RIP]

I like Mike Sellers,,,, and don't see a reason to keep 2 fullbacks

[skinsfan36]

nemo has survived past schmiddt interesting lol (hasnt gotten hurt yet either)

[GreenHOFMonk]

Since I just joined and wasnt here for the start of this thread ill give you my 53 man roster prediction.

QB Campbell Collins Brennan
RB Portis Betts Cartwright
FB Sellers
WR Moss Thomas Randle El Mix Kelly
TE Cooley Davis Yoder
LT Samuels
LG Kendall
C Rabach
RG Thomas
RT Jansen
OL Heyer Rinehart Wade Fabini Brown
DE Carter James Daniels Wilson Evans
DT Griffin Montgomery Golston Alexander Boschetti
OLB Washington McIntosh Blades
MLB Fletcher Campbell
CB Springs Smoot Rodgers Tryon Torrence
FS Landry Schweigert
SS Doughty Moore Horton
K Suisham
P Brooks
LS Albright

[Skins7ny]

Schmitt got cut today
And Ecker got cut today. There goes 25% of my practice squad!
Since I just joined and wasnt here for the start of this thread ill give you my 53 man roster prediction.

QB Campbell Collins Brennan
RB Portis Betts Cartwright
FB Sellers
WR Moss Thomas Randle El Mix Kelly
TE Cooley Davis Yoder
LT Samuels
LG Kendall
C Rabach
RG Thomas
RT Jansen
OL Heyer Rinehart Wade Fabini Brown
DE Carter James Daniels Wilson Evans
DT Griffin Montgomery Golston Alexander Boschetti
OLB Washington McIntosh Blades
MLB Fletcher Campbell
CB Springs Smoot Rodgers Tryon Torrence
FS Landry Schweigert
SS Doughty Moore Horton
K Suisham
P Brooks
LS Albright
Nicely thought-out roster. My only quibble is that I think we keep a 6th WR over a 10th OL (Thrash over Brown-the FO is talking about Thrash like he is no danger of being cut), and I don't see us keeping only 5 LBs. I think Sinclair makes it over Boschetti. Also not sure we will keep 5 safeties again-that may have been a Williams thing more than a Blache thing.

[GreenHOFMonk]

Nicely thought-out roster. My only quibble is that I think we keep a 6th WR over a 10th OL (Thrash over Brown-the FO is talking about Thrash like he is no danger of being cut), and I don't see us keeping only 5 LBs. I think Sinclair makes it over Boschetti. Also not sure we will keep 5 safeties again-that may have been a Williams thing more than a Blache thing.

Everything you said was spot on. Thrash I wanted to leave on but I took him off. I went back and forth with that. I almost kept Sinclair instead of Boschetti also. In hindsight keeping Sinclair off was the one move I made that was a big risk.

[Skins7ny]

Sinclair reminds me a lot of Mix in the sense that they both are young players who showed a lot of competitiveness and hustle on special teams, and I think they both could have futures as position playes. LB is an area where we really need some young talent. I hope Sinclair and maybe Gatewood show enough to warrant keeping them around. Danny Verdun-Wheeler might also have some potential.

I have always liked Boschetti, and think played well when given the chance. That said, I think this is the year he finally gets cut. But I wouldn't be surprised if he makes the roster again, as in your projection.

[Skins7ny]

Also, and this is a minor quibble, if we do keep a 10th OL, I think it is more likely to be Crummey than Brown, only because Crummey can play center. I like both Crummey and Brown, I thought they were great UFA signings, and wouldn't be surprised if both are on the roster at some point in 2008 and beyond.

[GreenHOFMonk]

As a added bonus heres my practice squad for 2008

Marcus Mason/RB
Burl Toler/WR
Andrew Crummey/OL
Devin Clark/OL
Alex Buzbee/DE
Rob Jackson/DE
Matt Sinclair/LB
Byron Westbrook/CB

[shally]

As a added bonus heres my practice squad for 2008

Marcus Mason/RB
Burl Toler/WR
Andrew Crummey/OL
Devin Clark/OL
Alex Buzbee/DE
Rob Jackson/DE
Matt Sinclair/LB
Byron Westbrook/CB

i think either buzbee makes the roster or gets picked up by another team.. KC was ready to sign him last year off of the PS and the skins were forced to sign him to the roster to keep him.
they obviously like him enough to want to hold him-- or did last year

i think this is it for him as a redskin.. roster or gone...

[GreenHOFMonk]

i think either buzbee makes the roster or gets picked up by another team.. KC was ready to sign him last year off of the PS and the skins were forced to sign him to the roster to keep him.
they obviously like him enough to want to hold him-- or did last year

i think this is it for him as a redskin.. roster or gone...

Yeah ur probably right. I just put him on the practice squad because hes one of the 8 best who wont make the team imo. Odds are he would be signed by someone else.