Depth Chart Released

[ChiefPowhatan17]

the first depth chart of the year released.

depth chart (http://www.redskins.com/team/depthchart.jsp)

[fent]

at first glance, interesting that Brennan is 3QB over Devine, Kelly all the way down at 3rd string, Davis at 3rd string behind Yoder, Carlos already back at 1st string, and Doughty at 1st string SS. Also, Thomas isn't anywhere to be seen on the returner list.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Looks like seniority reins supreme so far. Looks like rookie draft picks are going to have to earn their spots.

The returners haven't changed at all from last year. I would expect someone else to take over for Randle El in the PR's.

[silverspring]

Looks like seniority reins supreme so far. Looks like rookie draft picks are going to have to earn their spots.

The returners haven't changed at all from last year. I would expect someone else to take over for Randle El in the PR's.

I hope not, that was the main reason we got Randle El. He needs to improve his return game this year and run forward.

[shally]

the first depth chart of the year released.

depth chart (http://www.redskins.com/team/depthchart.jsp)


couple of interesting points

crummey is the back up center.. if that holds, he might just make the team

with fox as the backup SS, there is no doubt that doughty is starting , barring injury

rookies will hve to earn their way up the chart

also with blades out for 3-4 weeks following surgery it will be interesting to see how the LB's are moved around.. someone will likely be added

[Patrick]

at first glance, interesting that Brennan is 3QB over Devine, Kelly all the way down at 3rd string, Davis at 3rd string behind Yoder, Carlos already back at 1st string, and Doughty at 1st string SS. Also, Thomas isn't anywhere to be seen on the returner list.

Agree with a few others that I thought interesting:
2nd string - Stuart Schweigert (FS)
2nd string - Andrew Crummey (center?)

Though this is just the openning chart after one week of work and I guess it kinda gives the players an understanding of where they are (IF they even pay attention to it). Probably for more the fans .............

[swheeler]

Frost is still holding off Brooks, that's interesting.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I was thinking Horton would beat out Fox for the 2nd string SS, but here Horton is listed as a FS. But he has played well at times.

[swheeler]

I was thinking Horton would beat out Fox for the 2nd string SS, but here Horton is listed as a FS. But he has played well at times.

Horton was very good at UCLA and I think he could definitely contribute in the future, but judging solely by his college career (I haven't been out to the practices, so you might know more than I do) I'd be surprised if hes ready for the NFL right away.

[Skins7ny]

I was thinking Horton would beat out Fox for the 2nd string SS, but here Horton is listed as a FS. But he has played well at times.

I thought Moore was a more natural free safety, and Horton a more natural strong safety, but the depth chart has the positions reversed. Moore started practicing today. It will be interesting to see whom they keep among Horton, Moore and Fox for what is probably only one spot.

[Canuck]

Horton was very good at UCLA and I think he could definitely contribute in the future, but judging solely by his college career (I haven't been out to the practices, so you might know more than I do) I'd be surprised if hes ready for the NFL right away.

The fact that he's from UCLA probably helps him. Remember their DC (Walker) used to be an assistant coach under Williams so at the very least he's probably familiar with the terminology.

[skin4ever]

couple of interesting points

crummey is the back up center.. if that holds, he might just make the team

with fox as the backup SS, there is no doubt that doughty is starting , barring injury

rookies will hve to earn their way up the chart

also with blades out for 3-4 weeks following surgery it will be interesting to see how the LB's are moved around.. someone will likely be added

I like the fact that the rooks have to earn it. Gives them something to strive for. I also, think i noticed that they dont have the skins symbol on their helmets either. Hopeflly, they will appreciate it more, when they achieve it, and not toss it away like so many youngs guys do these days.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

I thought Moore was a more natural free safety, and Horton a more natural strong safety, but the depth chart has the positions reversed. Moore started practicing today. It will be interesting to see whom they keep among Horton, Moore and Fox for what is probably only one spot.

I know, it doesn't seem right. Horton played SS in college. But, considering Moore hasn't even played yet, it's interesting that he's listed at SS.

I am expecting this all to change once we start playing some preseason games.

Plus I bet we keep 2 of the 3, so Fox might be the odd man out.

[CNYSkinFan]

I think History tells us that the first depth chart means very very very little

Of course vets like Doughty, Frost, Yoder, Thrash are going to be ahead of their rookies because they need to see if the rookies can perform in game situations. And no way Rogers is first string CB, that is on paper only, he is barely jogging.

The one thing I find interesting is thomas is not on the KOR chart at all

[Skaggsrules]

Also we have to remember that this is not an official depth (as the disclaimer at the bottom states). The battles have just started, and they won't have much to go by until the preseason games actually start.

[skinfanjon]

The Blache interview on redskins.com yesterday revealed quite a bit, at least about the defense. He flat out said that Monty and Golston were in a deadheat for competition at DT, even prior to the injury, and that Doughty is the starter. He was very emphatic about both of those statements, repeating himself several times on both points. He also reiterated that we will be playing a lot of press coverage and that Springs will be ready to play safety f injuries were to crop up in that area.

I like the new style of interview uder this coaching regime, there's a whole lot less subterfuge and a lot more actual information.

[smoak]

Interesting, but I don't think it is meaningful yet...

[Death_Venom]

The Blache interview on redskins.com yesterday revealed quite a bit, at least about the defense. He flat out said that Monty and Golston were in a deadheat for competition at DT, even prior to the injury, and the Doubty is starting. He was very emphatic about both of those statements, repeating himself several times on both points. He also reiterated that we will be playing a lot of press coverage and that Springs will be ready to play safety f injuries were to crop up in that area.

I like the new style of interview uder this coaching regime, there's a whole lot less subterfuge and a lot more actual information.

Good see more competition at that position...........

[BraveHeartFan]

I'm a little surprised that Davis and Kelly are 3rd string even to start out with. I figured they'd be higher but I do believe it makes sense.

[jaylen]

I'm about to start a campaign against James Thrash, he's a true Redskin, he's got tremendous character, he's a hard worker and a leader BUT if he's on the field for long stretches at wr I'm gonna start a get rid of Thrash website, because he's done as a wr. The Fact that Zorn said recently that Thrash is gonna catch a lot of balls shows badly for the Rookies because Thrash can't get open much at all.

He's a great special teamer and a good guy but its getting to that point that he needs to be pulled back off of the field at wr. We gotta get the talent ready to play and that ain't Thrash.

I know this is not popular but its time. Seems like there in the last few years are players that are holding us hostage with limited production in certian areas, rather is Warrick Holdman, Ade Oh No at cb, Brunell, and now its Thrash for me at wr.

On teams fine at wr please stop it.

On another note just a question is Roger fully healthy better than Smoot. I can't call it , Rogers tackles better and Smoot seems alittle better in coverage.

[skinfanjon]

I'm about to start a campaign against James Thrash, he's a true Redskin, he's got tremendous character, he's a hard worker and a leader BUT if he's on the field for long stretches at wr I'm gonna start a get rid of Thrash website, because he's done as a wr. The Fact that Zorn said recently that Thrash is gonna catch a lot of balls shows badly for the Rookies because Thrash can't get open much at all.

He's a great special teamer and a good guy but its getting to that point that he needs to be pulled back off of the field at wr. We gotta get the talent ready to play and that ain't Thrash.

I know this is not popular but its time. Seems like there in the last few years are players that are holding us hostage with limited production in certian areas, rather is Warrick Holdman, Ade Oh No at cb, Brunell, and now its Thrash for me at wr.


On teams fine at wr please stop it.

On another note just a question is Roger fully healthy better than Smoot. I can't call it , Rogers tackles better and Smoot seems alittle better in coverage.

And you're basing this on what, exactly?

By all accounts, Thrash has had a terrific camp. He runs precise routes, catches everything thrown near him, and is a model of professionalism. Until our rookies, both of whom are battling injuries right now, learn the offense and become productive in this league, we are fortunate to have a dependable veteran to help shoulder the load.

[redskin_rich]

And you're basing this on what, exactly?

By all accounts, Thrash has had a terrific camp. He runs precise routes, catches everything thrown near him, and is a model of professionalism. Until our rookies, both of whom are battling injuries right now, learn the offense and become productive in this league, we are fortunate to have a dependable veteran to help shoulder the load.

Yeah, I've been one of the ones wanting to get younger with our depth but as the great Ric Flair says, "you wanna be the man, you gotta beat the man" and it doesn't appear that anybody is knocking Thrash off the depth chart just yet.

[JasonCampbell]

I'm about to start a campaign against James Thrash, he's a true Redskin, he's got tremendous character, he's a hard worker and a leader BUT if he's on the field for long stretches at wr I'm gonna start a get rid of Thrash website, because he's done as a wr. The Fact that Zorn said recently that Thrash is gonna catch a lot of balls shows badly for the Rookies because Thrash can't get open much at all.

I went to camp 8 times. Before it started, I was really hoping Thrash would get cut if they kept 5 WRs, making Mix the #5 guy. I've never been a Thrash fan.

I no longer think this. The guy really impressed me. He's easily the third best WR we got on this team at this time due to Kelly/Thomas missing time. Anyone expecting much from our rookies really need to take a look at history and see how well rookies do in their first year. The guy is an asset.

[dj_stouty]

The Fact that Zorn said recently that Thrash is gonna catch a lot of balls shows badly for the Rookies because Thrash can't get open much at all.

I don't agree at all. Thrash always seems able to get open. A good reason is that he is usually the 3rd WR on the field and gets a decent defensive matchup...but from what I've seen the past two years, the guy manages to get open and make clutch catches when called upon.

When Zorn says he will catch "a lot of balls", I tend to think that is in relation to his contributions of the past. Thrash hasn't caught more than 20 balls a season since he returned to the Redskins; so basically 1 catch a game. I think Zorn wants to get him a few more a game (2-3?), since he can be clutch. I'm guessing a guy like Trash playing WR4 or WR5 in a Zorn WCO offense will catch no more than 40 balls...but that is a big jump over previous years.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

The Blache interview on redskins.com yesterday revealed quite a bit, at least about the defense. He flat out said that Monty and Golston were in a deadheat for competition at DT, even prior to the injury, and that Doughty is the starter. He was very emphatic about both of those statements, repeating himself several times on both points. He also reiterated that we will be playing a lot of press coverage and that Springs will be ready to play safety f injuries were to crop up in that area.

I like the new style of interview uder this coaching regime, there's a whole lot less subterfuge and a lot more actual information.

I am excited about the DT's. There is no doubt that all three are going to get plenty of playing time, so its great that Monty and Golston both stepped their game up this year.

[AliBabba]

Yeah, I've been one of the ones wanting to get younger with our depth but as the great Ric Flair says, "you wanna be the man, you gotta beat the man" and it doesn't appear that anybody is knocking Thrash off the depth chart just yet.

great reference

[shally]

I went to camp 8 times. Before it started, I was really hoping Thrash would get cut if they kept 5 WRs, making Mix the #5 guy. I've never been a Thrash fan.

I no longer think this. The guy really impressed me. He's easily the third best WR we got on this team at this time due to Kelly/Thomas missing time. Anyone expecting much from our rookies really need to take a look at history and see how well rookies do in their first year. The guy is an asset.

plus, he is one guy who is definitely familiar with the WCO from his days in philly

[dj_stouty]

plus, he is one guy who is definitely familiar with the WCO from his days in philly

BINGO. Zorn probably feels comfortable with him on the field mentoring our very young receiving corp.

[shally]

BINGO. Zorn probably feels comfortable with him on the field mentoring our very young receiving corp.

and he is disciplined, likes to block, and smart as hell.

too bad he turned an ankle in the philly game. who knows what kind of season he might have had...?

[Death_Venom]

I have always been a fan of Thrash-. I think often people underrate his ability. Now don't get me wrong I am making no claims he is a top tier WR but has been reliable for us in the past. Maybe because of match up problems but i still think he is a viable option for us at the WR position.

[shally]

I have always been a fan of Thrash-. I think often people underrate his ability. Now don't get me wrong I am making no claims he is a top tier WR but has been reliable for us in the past. Maybe because of match up problems but i still think he is a viable option for us at the WR position.


i bet the eagles will be happy if this season they look over and see thrash on the bench instead of on the field...

plus, he blocks like a ******

[bergiemoore]

I'm about to start a campaign against James Thrash, he's a true Redskin, he's got tremendous character, he's a hard worker and a leader BUT if he's on the field for long stretches at wr I'm gonna start a get rid of Thrash website, because he's done as a wr. The Fact that Zorn said recently that Thrash is gonna catch a lot of balls shows badly for the Rookies because Thrash can't get open much at all.

He's a great special teamer and a good guy but its getting to that point that he needs to be pulled back off of the field at wr. We gotta get the talent ready to play and that ain't Thrash.

I know this is not popular but its time. Seems like there in the last few years are players that are holding us hostage with limited production in certian areas, rather is Warrick Holdman, Ade Oh No at cb, Brunell, and now its Thrash for me at wr.

On teams fine at wr please stop it.


Zorn came in as an impartial judge of talent and determined that Thrash was a valuable commodity based on his performance. You're hostility towards Thrash is based purely on his age, and your absurd insistence that the Skins play a couple of rookies who are nicked up and have yet to grasp the offense Zorn is installing. I can't imagine you'll win too many converts. Rookies earn the right to play in camp and during practice. If Vinny did his job adequately, and the two pups put in the work, they'll see the field, but not before then.

[HanburgerBum]

The Blache interview on redskins.com yesterday revealed quite a bit, at least about the defense. He flat out said that Monty and Golston were in a deadheat for competition at DT, even prior to the injury, and that Doughty is the starter. He was very emphatic about both of those statements, repeating himself several times on both points. He also reiterated that we will be playing a lot of press coverage and that Springs will be ready to play safety f injuries were to crop up in that area.

I like the new style of interview uder this coaching regime, there's a whole lot less subterfuge and a lot more actual information.


I am wondering whether Blache's take that Montgomery and Golston are in a deadheat to start is a statement to prod Monty (who as a rookie apparently had a tendency to be lazy) or the two are actually even.

I am hoping it's the latter, because, when Griffin hangs it up in a year or
two, the tackle position will be in good shape. Plus, while Griffin is still here, the Skins can have a legitimate 3-tackle rotation (I don't want to see Boschetti in the line-up) to keep everyone fresh in the 4th quarter.

If Monty and Golsty both pan out, what a coup it was for Cerrato and the FO to land a pair of starting-caliber tackles in rounds 5 and 6. These two plus Doughty and Blades would give us four potential starters in the second day of drafts 2006 and 2007. Maybe we are turning the corner there.

[AliBabba]

I am wondering whether Blache's take that Montgomery and Golston are in a deadheat to start is a statement to prod Monty (who as a rookie apparently had a tendency to be lazy) or the two are actually even.

I am hoping it's the latter, because, when Griffin hangs it up in a year or
two, the tackle position will be in good shape. Plus, while Griffin is still here, the Skins can have a legitimate 3-tackle rotation (I don't want to see Boschetti in the line-up) to keep everyone fresh in the 4th quarter.

If Monty and Golsty both pan out, what a coup it was for Cerrato and the FO to land a pair of starting-caliber tackles in rounds 5 and 6. These two plus Doughty and Blades would give us four potential starters in the second day of drafts 2006 and 2007. Maybe we are turning the corner there.
I think its probably a little of both but he says he would have considered starting Golston for the next game had we beat Seattle

http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2008/Jul/28/actual-position-battle/

[hogskins]

I am wondering whether Blache's take that Montgomery and Golston are in a deadheat to start is a statement to prod Monty (who as a rookie apparently had a tendency to be lazy) or the two are actually even.

I am hoping it's the latter, because, when Griffin hangs it up in a year or
two, the tackle position will be in good shape. Plus, while Griffin is still here, the Skins can have a legitimate 3-tackle rotation (I don't want to see Boschetti in the line-up) to keep everyone fresh in the 4th quarter.

If Monty and Golsty both pan out, what a coup it was for Cerrato and the FO to land a pair of starting-caliber tackles in rounds 5 and 6. These two plus Doughty and Blades would give us four potential starters in the second day of drafts 2006 and 2007. Maybe we are turning the corner there.

Some of the discussions here have mentioned cycling Daniels in at tackle, which would have helped that rotation. I'm guessing that expectations about Golston may an effort at creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, at this point.

[jaylen]

I don't agree at all. Thrash always seems able to get open. A good reason is that he is usually the 3rd WR on the field and gets a decent defensive matchup...but from what I've seen the past two years, the guy manages to get open and make clutch catches when called upon.

When Zorn says he will catch "a lot of balls", I tend to think that is in relation to his contributions of the past. Thrash hasn't caught more than 20 balls a season since he returned to the Redskins; so basically 1 catch a game. I think Zorn wants to get him a few more a game (2-3?), since he can be clutch. I'm guessing a guy like Trash playing WR4 or WR5 in a Zorn WCO offense will catch no more than 40 balls...but that is a big jump over previous years.

In Thrash's Prime as a player as a starter how productive a wr was he, solid thats all. Now he's older has clearly lost a step and can't shake tough man coverage.

I know this isn't popular because of the quality human being Thrash is and I love the guy for that and his all out effort at whatever he does, but if he's on the field for long stretches defenses will simply put their worst corner on him and roll coverage to everyone else and gum up the offense.

Thrash won't be catching 40 balls and if he is we're in trouble, I'd rather those 40 go to Thomas or Kelly with the possibility of making explosive plays after the catch our wr's quite simply couldn't score td last season and to make Thrash a 40 catch factor isn't gonna help improve that much at all.

Thrash at wr is a no go.

[jaylen]

I am wondering whether Blache's take that Montgomery and Golston are in a deadheat to start is a statement to prod Monty (who as a rookie apparently had a tendency to be lazy) or the two are actually even.

I am hoping it's the latter, because, when Griffin hangs it up in a year or
two, the tackle position will be in good shape. Plus, while Griffin is still here, the Skins can have a legitimate 3-tackle rotation (I don't want to see Boschetti in the line-up) to keep everyone fresh in the 4th quarter.

If Monty and Golsty both pan out, what a coup it was for Cerrato and the FO to land a pair of starting-caliber tackles in rounds 5 and 6. These two plus Doughty and Blades would give us four potential starters in the second day of drafts 2006 and 2007. Maybe we are turning the corner there.

I hope he is just prodding Monty because Monty is far more talented and effective than Gholston.I thought Monty was on the verge last season of becoming a star. He collapsed into that backfield constantly last season.

Gholston is a better pass rusher perhaps but he pass rushes on run downs and leaves gaps in the defense right up the gut allowing the line to get on Fletcher.

[Death_Venom]

but if he's on the field for long stretches defenses will simply put their worst corner on him and roll coverage to everyone else and gum up the offense.

Thrash won't be catching 40 balls and if he is we're in trouble, I'd rather those 40 go to Thomas or Kelly with the possibility of making explosive plays after the catch our wr's quite simply couldn't score td last season and to make Thrash a 40 catch factor isn't gonna help improve that much at all.

Thrash at wr is a no go.

I think that is half the point everyone is making-if you notice Thrash gets open (and did quite bit last season) and has good hands and you put your #3 corner on him-he gets open. I think Thrash made some good plays that had he not made the catch would have killed a few drives.

[Hr fan]

Before we get too excited about the depth chart in general and Thrash in particular we need to temper our judgements with an assessment of performance vs potential. When the final roster is made up potential, such as investment made through the draft, and the calculated probability of losing a player if cut (the speed dial factor) are among the factors considered, as we all know. These factors at this time (injury, etc. being factors also) means that our 2nd rounders will be on the final 53 - or someone will pick them up. The battle is between Thrash and Mix, and at this point Mix isn't showing enough.

More to the point the depth chart is there to give playing order right now for the Colts game, with variations such as CR, HBB etc. who aren't available. These guts make it if healthy enough not to be PUPed or IRed at the start of the season (example may be Erasmus James, who must show a realistic timetable to recovery/availability to not be cut, because few will pick him up at that point if he is labeled damaged goods and it saves us a 7th). IMO it would be remarkable to put a rookie, who does not know the demands of the game physically and mentally, ahead of any vet capable of contributing. But in the final analysis decisions are not made soley on an ability to contribute right now basis.

[saratogan]

Agree - not official.
Zorn will only allow the Redskins logo on rookie helmets during pre-season games. I like that; they must earn it!!

From reports out of training camp, the players of interest and their respective positions on the depth chart, to me, include:

Montgomery, Golston, Alexander (One reporter indicated that Golston a go-getter vs Alexander, a laid back type - now injured, was possibly going to be the starter opposite Griffin - I do not know how valid that report is). But who wins that position will be of real interest. And does Montgomery stay on defense?

Doughty has that position and it is his to lose.

If Kelly keeps progressing, where will he end up? If Thomas returns quickly from his injury, can he push a veteran aside. It will be very interesting to see how many WR's the Redskins keep on the final roster and who makes the final one or two slots. Moss, REL, Kelly, Thrash, Thomas (baring injuries) are locks.

Reports indicated that Frost and Brooks are even, so far. If they are still even at the end of camp, who stays?

So far, the offensive line backup situation seems more solid than it has in past several years (Heyer, Fabini - from many years as starting tackle who is successfully converting to guard (and Bugel indicating giving Fabini time at center), Rinehart ( if he has impressed Bugel so far, hard to see him get cut). That makes 8 OL. The question becomes who else remains? Bugel has always liked to have players who can easily play at different positions permitting maximum flexibility. Does Wade's limitations in that area put him on the bubble? Did not the Redskins bring in another veteran OL this past week?

Yoder is having a great camp. With the WC offense, and 2 TE formations, I think the skins keep 3 TE's and just 1 FB. I think Yoder proved himself last year in the stretch, and with a great camp so far, it is his position to lose. So, it becomes Sellers vs Broughton.

Another possible interesting position is Collins vs Brennan. So far, reports indicate Collins is having difficulties with the WC and is frustrated with his play. I doubt he loses his backup role, but he needs to successfully make the transition in pre-season games quickly.

[bergiemoore]

In Thrash's Prime as a player as a starter how productive a wr was he, solid thats all. Now he's older has clearly lost a step and can't shake tough man coverage.


As I recall, Thrash was the first WR to score a TD last year, and did so while starting for an injured Santana Moss in the Philly game. Had he not been injured in that game, I believe that he would have had a very decent year at WR. I don't understand where you're getting your evidence for your assertion that he "has clearly lost a step and can't shake tough man coverage." It certainly isn't from the game tape from last year, nor is it from his performance in Training Camp, which has obviously impressed Zorn. You are correct in your assertion that he is older, though.


I know this isn't popular because of the quality human being Thrash is and I love the guy for that and his all out effort at whatever he does, but if he's on the field for long stretches defenses will simply put their worst corner on him and roll coverage to everyone else and gum up the offense.


Again, I would love to see teams line up their worst corner on Thrash. He's a smart player who has a ton of experience playing in a WCO, and understands how to get open in that system.


Thrash won't be catching 40 balls and if he is we're in trouble, I'd rather those 40 go to Thomas or Kelly with the possibility of making explosive plays after the catch our wr's quite simply couldn't score td last season and to make Thrash a 40 catch factor isn't gonna help improve that much at all.

Thrash at wr is a no go.
What evidence do you have that Thomas or Kelly are more capable of making explosive plays in the NFL than Thrash? I agree that they are more physically gifted than Thrash at this point in their respective careers, however, that doesn't translate to production on the field.

Thomas and Kelly have a ways to go before they prove that they deserve to be on the field ahead of Thrash. At this point, they are trying to learn a new offensive system while simultaneously adjusting to the speed and brutality of the NFL. This will take some time.

Thrash is a seasoned, versatile veteran, that already understands better than any of the other WRs this system. He will pick up the slack at WR while Kelly and Thomas learn the ropes. Thrash will prompt them to step up their game and compete if they ever want to see the field. I don't see how having Thrash at WR is a bad thing.

Putting untested rookies on the field in front of proven veterans before the rookies have shown an aptitude for the offensive system in practice would be down-right inept.

[bergiemoore]

Agree - not official.
Zorn will only allow the Redskins logo on rookie helmets during pre-season games. I like that; they must earn it!!

From reports out of training camp, the players of interest and their respective positions on the depth chart, to me, include:

Montgomery, Golston, Alexander (One reporter indicated that Golston a go-getter vs Alexander, a laid back type - now injured, was possibly going to be the starter opposite Griffin - I do not know how valid that report is). But who wins that position will be of real interest. And does Montgomery stay on defense?


I think you've swapped Montgomery for Alexander, here. Blache has been very frank about the competition at starting DT between Monty and Golston. Eventually, one of them will replace Griffin. It's good to see them both having to continually push themselves in the mean time.

Alexander will spend all of his time on D, unless for some reason Zorn channel's Gibbs and starts lining up the offense in Jumbo formation inside the 20.


Doughty has that position and it is his to lose.

If Kelly keeps progressing, where will he end up? If Thomas returns quickly from his injury, can he push a veteran aside. It will be very interesting to see how many WR's the Redskins keep on the final roster and who makes the final one or two slots. Moss, REL, Kelly, Thrash, Thomas (baring injuries) are locks.


My guess is that they'll retain 6 WRs: Moss, Randle El, Thrash, Kelly, Thomas, and either McMullen or Mix.


Reports indicated that Frost and Brooks are even, so far. If they are still even at the end of camp, who stays?


This is one of only 3 of 4 roster battles happening in TC. This one won't be resolved until the final roster cut-down, unless on of them really impresses Danny Smith in preseason. I have to think that Brooks has the edge, being a draft pick brought in this year specifically due to Frosty's inconsistency.


So far, the offensive line backup situation seems more solid than it has in past several years (Heyer, Fabini - from many years as starting tackle who is successfully converting to guard (and Bugel indicating giving Fabini time at center), Rinehart ( if he has impressed Bugel so far, hard to see him get cut). That makes 8 OL. The question becomes who else remains? Bugel has always liked to have players who can easily play at different positions permitting maximum flexibility. Does Wade's limitations in that area put him on the bubble? Did not the Redskins bring in another veteran OL this past week?


With Rinehart and Fabini both capable of playing both Tackle and Guard, I think the Skins will part with Wade in order to retain a true interior lineman who can also back-up the Center. Right now, that nod goes to Crummey.

Left Tackle : Chris Samuels, Stephon Heyer
Left Guard: Peter Kendall, Chad Rinehart
Center: Casey Rabach, Andrew Crummey
Right Guard: Randy Thomas, Jason Fabini, Andrew Crummey
Right Tackle: Jon Jansen, Jason Fabini, Chad Rinehart



Yoder is having a great camp. With the WC offense, and 2 TE formations, I think the skins keep 3 TE's and just 1 FB. I think Yoder proved himself last year in the stretch, and with a great camp so far, it is his position to lose. So, it becomes Sellers vs Broughton.


I agree. In a contest between Broughton and Sellers, however, Caveman wins every time.


Another possible interesting position is Collins vs Brennan. So far, reports indicate Collins is having difficulties with the WC and is frustrated with his play. I doubt he loses his backup role, but he needs to successfully make the transition in pre-season games quickly.

Collins is the clear cut #2, judging by Zorn's praise of him, and his defense of his lackluster play. The competition is between Devine and Brennan for the 3rd QB slot.

[shally]

In Thrash's Prime as a player as a starter how productive a wr was he, solid thats all. Now he's older has clearly lost a step and can't shake tough man coverage.

I know this isn't popular because of the quality human being Thrash is and I love the guy for that and his all out effort at whatever he does, but if he's on the field for long stretches defenses will simply put their worst corner on him and roll coverage to everyone else and gum up the offense.

Thrash won't be catching 40 balls and if he is we're in trouble, I'd rather those 40 go to Thomas or Kelly with the possibility of making explosive plays after the catch our wr's quite simply couldn't score td last season and to make Thrash a 40 catch factor isn't gonna help improve that much at all.

Thrash at wr is a no go.

probably.. but you would have to ask the philly secondary about his lack of speed.. he absolutely was torching them until he rolled an ankle..

[Hrabanmaur]

In Thrash's Prime as a player as a starter how productive a wr was he, solid thats all. Now he's older has clearly lost a step and can't shake tough man coverage.

I know this isn't popular because of the quality human being Thrash is and I love the guy for that and his all out effort at whatever he does, but if he's on the field for long stretches defenses will simply put their worst corner on him and roll coverage to everyone else and gum up the offense.

Thrash won't be catching 40 balls and if he is we're in trouble, I'd rather those 40 go to Thomas or Kelly with the possibility of making explosive plays after the catch our wr's quite simply couldn't score td last season and to make Thrash a 40 catch factor isn't gonna help improve that much at all.

Thrash at wr is a no go.

I have to admit, that I was hoping Mix would oust Thrash at this position so that the full youth movement could get rolling. It doesn't look like it will happen this year, and I agree with bergiemoore and shally that your assessment of Thrash is too harsh at this point. He did play well last year, and it seems he's even better suited to the WCO.

I don't think Thrash will take away from Kelly or Thomas as players, only perhaps in their first year stats. We'll see Kelly and Thomas on the field some this year, but the emergence of the Thrash means we can allow Kelly and Thomas to properly develop without sacrificing performance this season. WR it is a difficult position to pick up, perhaps the most difficult outside of QB. I think it's great that the pressure is off the rookies. No one here is expecting them to be our saviors this year, and quite frankly, that's refreshing. It also means that Kelly and Thomas have to take their spot; it's not a given. Hopefully, that will motivate them more.

[redwolf1218]

another guy i keep hearing good things about...

Horace Gant is a 6-3, 218-pound wide receiver who holds St. Olaf school records for receptions with 185, receiving yards with 3,061 and touchdowns with 27...Gant was coached by new Redskins offensive assistant Chris Meidt, who held the head coaching position at St. Olaf last year.

probably no room on the roster for him unless there are injuries to some of the others, but maybe he's a practice squad guy.

[GreenspanDan]

st. olaf? isn't that where Rose from the Golden Girls was from?

[BraveHeartFan]

st. olaf? isn't that where Rose from the Golden Girls was from?

Even if it is why in the world would you know that? :P

[Ibleedburgundy]

Even if it is why in the world would you know that? :P

Maybe because he's the President and founding member of the Rue McClanahan fan club. :whoknows:

[IH Brave]

Frost is still holding off Brooks, that's interesting.

That right there is the reason I'm taking the depth chart with a grain of salt so far.

And another thing I find hard to believe is that Malcom Kelly is that far down the depth chart. I was at training camp last week and from what I saw, he has the best hands of all the receivers. I'm not saying he should be a starter, but I think he should be higher on the depth chart.

[NFCEAST]

Didn't Gibbs draft Carson Palmers younger brother at QB? What happened to him ?

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Didn't Gibbs draft Carson Palmers younger brother at QB? What happened to him ?
He joined Carson at Cincy

[joethefan]

Frost is still holding off Brooks, that's interesting.


that has to be presented before the first game...it'll change quickly believe me...

[skinsfan36]

looks decent but you ahve to take these with a grain of salt right now