Should Thomas/Kelly be worried? [Archive] - hailRedskins.com Fan Board

CarMike

08-10-2008, 10:00 AM

esmith1790

08-10-2008, 11:19 AM

As a NFL fan and not greatest Skins fan in the world, It would be hard pressed to cut them, maybe IR one of them for the year. They would be snatched up pretty fast, no way to sneak them onto the PS. Besides going in we all know WR is behind the 8 ball the 1st year anyways. That is what happens when draft 2 high level WRs. The stereotypes for WR is now multiplied by 2!

You guys are gona have to keep 6. The most important time for a rookie is training camp and preseason. Once the season starts not many reps are giving out to back ups. So they would be playing in special packages or blowouts during the regular season. Almost practically a wasted season.

The Lloyd signing is still leaving its mark becuase in theory, rookies shouldnt be counted on that much in the first place.

Due to the change to the WCO and needing bigger WRs and no WR depth, this issue is being thrusted into the spotlight.

It trickles down to other positions on the team, because that is 2 draft picks wasted for this year if they provide no impact.

Dolla Bill

08-10-2008, 11:39 AM

There's no way they're gonna be cut, or even attempted to be placed on PS. I think through the season, they will be seen on certain packages. Especially in the red zone. They're behind on the learning curve as far as the offense, but you can't teach height. I can see them playing a lot, in the 4th and 5th preseason game.

The only upside I can see in this, is that teams won't be getting a lot of tape on them in this offense.

TrueOracle

08-10-2008, 11:40 AM

skinsfan36

08-10-2008, 11:50 AM

they are in no danger and when we see thomas next week he will silence any doubters :)

Dolla Bill

08-10-2008, 11:55 AM

Both are excuse-less. There's no reason a young rookie should ever pull a hamstring in training camp on the first day (or close to it), save for a pre-condition. Kelly will be fine. But, and I'll say this again, Thomas is the biggest question mark. He had ONE tremendous year at Mich St. ONE! That means very little to me - esp. as the top pick for the Skins. This draft choice has the potential of being another Westbrook draft fiasco - minus the knuckle-ups with S. Davis (I hope). I'm saying his chances are 45/55 that he'll amount to any #1 receiver. It's not 50/50 b/c he came in and went out of camp on practically the 1st day... with a hamstring injury no less! Gimme a break.

I think they have less pressure on them due to them being a 2nd round pick. If they were 1st round picks, the Skins Nation would call for their collective heads. I share your trepidations about Thomas, but for some reason I think Kelly will have a somewhat better career.

Ultimately, we won't know what we have until they get onto the field. We will carry 6 WR, with the 6th WR being almost used exclusively for ST. Its a toss up between McMullen and Mix, with Mix getting the nod due to ST's.

shally

08-10-2008, 12:28 PM

Do you guys/gals think that since they both were 2nd round draft picks, they should automatically make the team over guys like Anthony Mix or Billy McMullin?

I saw last night where Theisman and Patrick had a listing of our WR's and they had Moss/ARE/Thrash/Kelly/Thomas as locks to make the team as WR's. That left one spot open for the others.

Zorn said that he's upset with the rookies for coming into camp not in the best of shape. Which he should have been. Two games and neither one has seen one snap of action.

As a fan, I'm pretty pissed about it myself.

Thoughts?

it takes 1 + years before most wideouts have impact.. even the good ones.
we wont see much more than flashes from either this year..

akhhorus

08-10-2008, 12:34 PM

Both are excuse-less. There's no reason a young rookie should ever pull a hamstring in training camp on the first day (or close to it), save for a pre-condition. Kelly will be fine. But, and I'll say this again, Thomas is the biggest question mark. He had ONE tremendous year at Mich St. ONE! That means very little to me - esp. as the top pick for the Skins. This draft choice has the potential of being another Westbrook draft fiasco - minus the knuckle-ups with S. Davis (I hope). I'm saying his chances are 45/55 that he'll amount to any #1 receiver. It's not 50/50 b/c he came in and went out of camp on practically the 1st day... with a hamstring injury no less! Gimme a break.

I guess we should cut Landry also. There's no excuse for a good young FS to pull a hamstring either :rolleyes:

Neither one should be worried, not for a couple years. They're both high picks and aren't struggling on the field or something.

shally

08-10-2008, 12:40 PM

I guess we should cut Landry also. There's no excuse for a good young FS to pull a hamstring either :rolleyes:

Neither one should be worried, not for a couple years. They're both high picks and aren't struggling on the field or something.

totally agree.. as i recall, jerry rice did very little the first half of his first season in the WCO.. it takes time. braylen edwards is another guy coming on after an unimpressive first year.

i think this is why mcmullen eases out mix for the final spot.. he just seems to know where he has to be and after the catch gets upfield.. that is what you want from your receivers.
the knock on him through 3 years has been his hands.. he said he was pressing too much and fighting the ball his first couple of years..he seems much more at ease out there

Dolla Bill

08-10-2008, 12:51 PM

totally agree.. as i recall, jerry rice did very little the first half of his first season in the WCO.. it takes time. braylen edwards is another guy coming on after an unimpressive first year.

i think this is why mcmullen eases out mix for the final spot.. he just seems to know where he has to be and after the catch gets upfield.. that is what you want from your receivers.
the knock on him through 3 years has been his hands.. he said he was pressing too much and fighting the ball his first couple of years..he seems much more at ease out there

I really don't think he will Shally. Reason being is that I believe that the 6th WR is going to be either strictly a STer or not on the field at all. Our top 5 WR's are Moss, ARE, Thrash, Thomas, and Kelly. Between those 5, the 6th will not see the field. Of course, this is barring injury. Also, we have Davis and Cooley as our TE's, that of course want the ball as well. On top of Portis and Betts as our RB's, and pass options as well.

The 6th WR is for ST's, and i'm curious to see if McMullen has done enough to unseat Mix in that area. I remember Mix recovering the KO against the Giants, and he's been outstanding on ST's in reports coming out of camp and including last year. I really don't see McMullen beating out Mix because of Mix's ST's.

shally

08-10-2008, 01:02 PM

I really don't think he will Shally. Reason being is that I believe that the 6th WR is going to be either strictly a STer or not on the field at all. Our top 5 WR's are Moss, ARE, Thrash, Thomas, and Kelly. Between those 5, the 6th will not see the field. Of course, this is barring injury. Also, we have Davis and Cooley as our TE's, that of course want the ball as well. On top of Portis and Betts as our RB's, and pass options as well.

The 6th WR is for ST's, and i'm curious to see if McMullen has done enough to unseat Mix in that area. I remember Mix recovering the KO against the Giants, and he's been outstanding on ST's in reports coming out of camp and including last year. I really don't see McMullen beating out Mix because of Mix's ST's.

what you say is correct. the number 4, 5, 6 receivers are traditionally ST players

BUT also keep in mind how often moss and ARE have been nicked. same thing happened to seattle the past couple of years also. i am betting we actually see our 5 and 6 receivers over the course of the season more than perhaps we would like to.

Dolla Bill

08-10-2008, 01:07 PM

what you say is correct. the number 4, 5, 6 receivers are traditionally ST players

BUT also keep in mind how often moss and ARE have been nicked. same thing happened to seattle the past couple of years also. i am betting we actually see our 5 and 6 receivers over the course of the season more than perhaps we would like to.

I agree, and that is why I did add barring injury. I really wonder how much of ST's that Kelly and Thomas have participated in.

Sean36

08-10-2008, 01:20 PM

they are in no danger and when we see thomas next week he will silence any doubters :)

Yeah, Thomas will be the Hero of the game next week....and this Speculation of release will erased.

Dolla Bill

08-10-2008, 01:24 PM

Yeah, Thomas will be the Hero of the game next week....and this Speculation of release will erased.

I don't think there's been any speculation of release. I think as a whole, the fans want to see Thomas and Kelly on the field because they're getting behind in learning this offense, thus causing them to fall down the depth chart.

shally

08-10-2008, 01:33 PM

I agree, and that is why I did add barring injury. I really wonder how much of ST's that Kelly and Thomas have participated in.

thomas returned KO for Mich State.. kelly ? i dont think he has any ST history

i expect that neither will see ST action for the skins

Dolla Bill

08-10-2008, 02:06 PM

thomas returned KO for Mich State.. kelly ? i dont think he has any ST history

i expect that neither will see ST action for the skins

I wonder if we'll see Thomas or more of Mason on KO returns then.

shally

08-10-2008, 02:18 PM

I wonder if we'll see Thomas or more of Mason on KO returns then.

if it were up to me, thomas would NEVER see a return team.. i just keep seeing jason seehorn blowing an all pro career doing that.. it simply isnt worth it..

Nomad

08-10-2008, 02:32 PM

The practical reality for them is that they just need to be playing well by the end of 2nd year so that can claim they have outperformed their deal and start angling for new one, and earn top dollar down the line as FAs. After all the yapping, that is the business reality, and this is a business.

No WAY they don't make the team, and while Zorn should be applauded for calling them out, they still have talent levels, Thomas especially, far superior to any other options even with their mediocre work ethic.

This very situation is why so many teams passed on them, and why they dropped out of 1st rounds, unknowns about health, character, consistent production. They were not the absurd "steals" all the pundits said, but taken about where they should be, and many hard-nosed football insiders, as opposed to talking media heads, made that very assessment, also asking why not DE?

Also remember even top-notch prospects like CJ don't always excel early, so at some level the belief that they would come in and revolutionize our O was always a mirage. The sky isn't falling, they aren't busts, we really won't know until mid this year earliest till late next what they are. I still think at least Thomas will turn out to be a quality long term starter, and if he had produced steadily for 2+ years in college, we never would have been able to draft him cause he would have been gone early 1st round, so the uncertainty was a blessing on one level.

Once again, I hate to beat the dead horse, but situations like this once again highlight the ineptitude of our FO. Of course these guys will take awhile to develop. And by the time they do and Campbell has made the offense second nature, JTaylor will be gone or in decline, as will much of our OL.

Finally, analysis aside, love what I'm seeing from Zorn. If Zorn can keep Dan & Vinny drafting instead of mortgaging the future with dumb trades, the future looks bright!

TrueOracle

08-10-2008, 02:33 PM

I guess we should cut Landry also. There's no excuse for a good young FS to pull a hamstring either :rolleyes:

That's apples to oranges. Last I checked, Landry already proved himself in his ROOKIE season. LL was in camp participating in drills, pre-season games, etc.... He also started a few games for us last year (if I'm not mistaken) and is a starter this year. We can't compare STARTERS against ROOKIES. At least I can't anyway.

No one, at least not me anyway, is advocating for Thomas to be cut. My point is/was all we're going off of is his single year of performance on a garbage team. Then he shows up soft with no conditioning and pulls a hamstring reading a playbook (that he's struggling with mind you)??? The only thing that says he should be playing is his draft position - which was probably based on 9/10th's potential.

Enough with the excuses.

lorimike

08-10-2008, 02:39 PM

Do you guys/gals think that since they both were 2nd round draft picks, they should automatically make the team over guys like Anthony Mix or Billy McMullin?

I saw last night where Theisman and Patrick had a listing of our WR's and they had Moss/ARE/Thrash/Kelly/Thomas as locks to make the team as WR's. That left one spot open for the others.

Zorn said that he's upset with the rookies for coming into camp not in the best of shape. Which he should have been. Two games and neither one has seen one snap of action.

As a fan, I'm pretty pissed about it myself.

Thoughts?
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They aren't going to cut two players they invested 2nd picks in just last spring. My bet is that McMullen makes the team and maybe they place Kelly on IR for the season and give Mix a roster spot. Devin Thomas's injury isn't that serious and he should play in the next preseason game

akhhorus

08-10-2008, 02:40 PM

That's apples to oranges. Last I checked, Landry already proved himself in his ROOKIE season. LL was in camp participating in drills, pre-season games, etc.... He also started a few games for us last year (if I'm not mistaken) and is a starter this year. We can't compare STARTERS against ROOKIES. At least I can't anyway.

And so were Kelly and Thomas...thats why they got hurt, no? Your point is that you're declaring a rookie a bust because of a hamstring injury. Where to begin pointing out the problems with that concept.

No one, at least not me anyway, is advocating for Thomas to be cut. My point is/was all we're going off of is his single year of performance on a garbage team. Then he shows up soft with no conditioning and pulls a hamstring reading a playbook (that he's struggling with mind you)??? The only thing that says he should be playing is his draft position - which was probably based on 9/10th's potential.

Enough with the excuses.

Who's making any excuses for him? He hasn't played a down because of injury and you're declaring him a bust because he's hurt(and he was hurt on the field btw)? Simply ridiculous.

TrueOracle

08-10-2008, 02:50 PM

And so were Kelly and Thomas...thats why they got hurt, no? Your point is that you're declaring a rookie a bust because of a hamstring injury. Where to begin pointing out the problems with that concept.

Who's making any excuses for him? He hasn't played a down because of injury and you're declaring him a bust because he's hurt(and he was hurt on the field btw)? Simply ridiculous.

Perhaps I'm not communicating this clearly.... I never typed he was a bust. I'm merely stating that with Thomas - not Kelly - all the hype that made him a top choice is just that: hype with a sprinkling of potential. Maybe... Just maybe... he was a one year wonder for State??? This is as valid a question as anyone advocating he'll be sensational as a pro.

Look, I'm not ready to say he's a bust as much as you can't claim he'll be better than average (forget sensational). Reason: you haven't seen ANYTHING other than a draft position, and some highlights from college, that can help make that argument.

Swirvi

08-10-2008, 02:51 PM

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They aren't going to cut two players they invested 2nd picks in just last spring. My bet is that McMullen makes the team and maybe they place Kelly on IR for the season and give Mix a roster spot. Devin Thomas's injury isn't that serious and he should play in the next preseason game

I'll take that bet...and I'll put my house, my savings account, my sister, and my dog on the line. No way is Kelly going to be placed on IR so that Mix can be given a roster spot. That's just crazy talk.

Stop all the speculating. These are 2nd round picks...not 1st rounders. They aren't supposed to come in and make a splash in their rookie season. They will hopefully get on the field at some point, make a few catches and then sit on the bench most of the season. Nobody's placing them on IR nor is anybody going to cut them. Nor can you label them a bust because of a couple of hamstring pulls. Nor can you label them a bust because of coming in out of shape...I bet a lot of rookies do.

This is just a silly thread.

akhhorus

08-10-2008, 02:59 PM

Perhaps I'm not communicating this clearly.... I never typed he was a bust. I'm merely stating that with Thomas - not Kelly - all the hype that made him a top choice is just that: hype with a sprinkling of potential. Maybe... Just maybe... he was a one year wonder for State??? This is as valid a question as anyone advocating he'll be sensational as a pro.

No, you're not saying he's a bust, you're just hinting at it because he dared to get hurt.

And yes, he was a one year wonder at MSU, but so what. How is this relevant to a discussion about whether or not he might lose his spot here?

Look, I'm not ready to say he's a bust as much as you can't claim he'll be better than average (forget sensational). Reason: you haven't seen ANYTHING other than a draft position, and some highlights from college, that can help make that argument.

Except that you're trying to draw conclusions based on his college career.

Let me make it very simple for you: No one is making excuses for anyone, but since Thomas(and Kelly) have yet to play a down in the NFL, its ridiculous to start even hinting that they're busts or anything close to that.

lorimike

08-10-2008, 03:01 PM

I'll take that bet...and I'll put my house, my savings account, my sister, and my dog on the line. No way is Kelly going to be placed on IR so that Mix can be given a roster spot. That's just crazy talk.

Stop all the speculating. These are 2nd round picks...not 1st rounders. They aren't supposed to come in and make a splash in their rookie season. They will hopefully get on the field at some point, make a few catches and then sit on the bench most of the season. Nobody's placing them on IR nor is anybody going to cut them. Nor can you label them a bust because of a couple of hamstring pulls. Nor can you label them a bust because of coming in out of shape...I bet a lot of rookies do.

This is just a silly thread.<<<<

I didn't insinuate that Kelly should be cut. Certainly not. Just that with the Knee surgery it might be better to place him on injured reserve and give the roster spot to Mix since he'll help us on special teams as well.

akhhorus

08-10-2008, 03:04 PM

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I didn't insinuate that Kelly should be cut. Certainly not. Just that with the Knee surgery it might be better to place him on injured reserve and give the roster spot to Mix since he'll help us on special teams as well.

Barring a set back, Kelly should be able to play in the regular season. I highly doubt they'll IR him, unless they think his knee injury might more serious than fears or that he's just not ready to contribute on offense.

colkurtz

08-10-2008, 03:05 PM

Kelly has had a good TC by all accounts before his injury and Zorn call-out on his conditioning.

They will keep Thomas and Kelly with 100% certainty. Those two need to worry after season two if they don't produce.

I think McMullen will beat out Mix - he's relaxed, confident and knows this is his last chance.

lorimike

08-10-2008, 03:07 PM

Both are excuse-less. There's no reason a young rookie should ever pull a hamstring in training camp on the first day (or close to it), save for a pre-condition. Kelly will be fine. But, and I'll say this again, Thomas is the biggest question mark. He had ONE tremendous year at Mich St. ONE! That means very little to me - esp. as the top pick for the Skins. This draft choice has the potential of being another Westbrook draft fiasco - minus the knuckle-ups with S. Davis (I hope). I'm saying his chances are 45/55 that he'll amount to any #1 receiver. It's not 50/50 b/c he came in and went out of camp on practically the 1st day... with a hamstring injury no less! Gimme a break.<<<

Devin Thomas only played two years at Michigan State. 6 catches in year 1 and 79 in year 2. He was a 4 star recuit coming out of Junior college and the 15th best player in the nation according to Rivals.com. He had over 7 scholarship offers to major football programs. I guess if you want to call him a one year wonder then OK but he had two very productive years at coffeyville community college before going to Michigan State

TrueOracle

08-10-2008, 03:08 PM

Let me make it very simple for you: No one is making excuses for anyone, but since Thomas(and Kelly) have yet to play a down in the NFL, its ridiculous to start even hinting that they're busts or anything close to that.

Thanks for making it simple for me. Those that know me personally know I'm simple-minded. It's the pre-season. Let's hope you're right. Cuz if you're wrong, there will be a ton of folk in that "I'm ridiculous" line.

Hinting isn't the same as questioning. And until I'm shown something besides a highlight reel from college I'll reserve my right as a fan to question the choice.

whitskins

08-10-2008, 03:22 PM

Neither is going to get cut, especially not for the likes of a career underachiever in Billy McMullen, or Mix, who hasn't done a thing of notice yet and has been hurt almost as much as the rookies have.

TrueOracle

08-10-2008, 03:29 PM

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Devin Thomas only played two years at Michigan State. 6 catches in year 1 and 79 in year 2. He was a 4 star recuit coming out of Junior college and the 15th best player in the nation according to Rivals.com. He had over 7 scholarship offers to major football programs. I guess if you want to call him a one year wonder then OK but he had two very productive years at coffeyville community college before going to Michigan State

What else would you call him? Coffeyville??? What the he** is a that?

akhhorus

08-10-2008, 03:31 PM

Thanks for making it simple for me. Those that know me personally know I'm simple-minded. It's the pre-season. Let's hope you're right. Cuz if you're wrong, there will be a ton of folk in that "I'm ridiculous" line.

If the Skins dump Kelly or Thomas for someone like Mix or McMullen, then they're ridiculous for drafting them in the first place. Thats just not going to happen. I would be willing to bet a new car on that one.

Hinting isn't the same as questioning. And until I'm shown something besides a highlight reel from college I'll reserve my right as a fan to question the choice.

No, hinting is a way for someone to try and sow seeds of doubt with an obvious out, which you're taking right now. You haven't seen either play, and you've made up your mind about at least one of them because they got hurt.

Neither is going to get cut, especially not for the likes of a career underachiever in Billy McMullen, or Mix, who hasn't done a thing of notice yet and has been hurt almost as much as the rookies have.

Seconded.

lorimike

08-10-2008, 03:36 PM

What else would you call him? Coffeyville??? What the he** is a that?
<<< With the one year wonder cliche on Thomas one is lead to believe he was there four years and only produced in one of those years. Truth is in year one he learned the offense and in year 2 he dominated before entering the draft. What the hell is Coffeyville JC? Well every year there are a bunch of junior college players who are widely recruited by most of the college programs. Steve Smith and Chad Johnson were junior college teamates outside of Los Angeles. Plenty of big time NFL talent once played at the junior college ranks

TrueOracle

08-10-2008, 03:44 PM

<<< With the one year wonder cliche on Thomas one is lead to believe he was there four years and only produced in one of those years. Truth is in year one he learned the offense and in year 2 he dominated before entering the draft. What the hell is Coffeyville JC? Well every year there are a bunch of junior college players who are widely recruited by most of the college programs. Steve Smith and Chad Johnson were junior college teamates outside of Los Angeles. Plenty of big time NFL talent once played at the junior college ranks

Hey... I've got love for JuCo. Facts are facts - he produced one year at a major program. I'm not ready to throw the towel in on him yet but the argument can be made that it is just as probable that he could be an average player as any other argument.

I'm not throwing the towel in on him... I just need to see that he's committed to performing at a level that would warrant a 2nd round pick. And no, showing up to camp out of shape, practicing for 30 mins before injury on the first day, and struggling with the playbook is not a good first impression... JuCo or not.

TrueOracle

08-10-2008, 03:48 PM

you've made up your mind about at least one of them because they got hurt.

My mind isn't made up but showing up for camp out of shape and an inability against grasp the playbook aren't good initial impressions. I'll reserve my opinion until I see something from Thomas.

lorimike

08-10-2008, 03:54 PM

Hey... I've got love for JuCo. Facts are facts - he produced one year at a major program. I'm not ready to throw the towel in on him yet but the argument can be made that it is just as probable that he could be an average player as any other argument.

I'm not throwing the towel in on him... I just need to see that he's committed to performing at a level that would warrant a 2nd round pick. And no, showing up to camp out of shape, practicing for 30 mins before injury on the first day, and struggling with the playbook is not a good first impression... JuCo or not.
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Yep he had one great year at Michigan State but it should be noted he only played 2 years in that program. I think he was a great pick where we got him . He certainly was in good enough condition at the combine to run a 4.38.

akhhorus

08-10-2008, 03:59 PM

My mind isn't made up but showing up for camp out of shape and an inability against grasp the playbook aren't good initial impressions. I'll reserve my opinion until I see something from Thomas.

Well, find a player who did both and criticize them for it. I haven't heard anything that Thomas was out of shape(and just because he hurt his hammy doesn't mean he was out of shape) or can't pick up the playbook.

colkurtz

08-10-2008, 04:08 PM

These were second round picks - there should be a lesser degree anticipation. These guys fell because of perceived issues - only the next 2-3 years will tell whether these were good picks or not.

Personally i think Kelly and Davis will be the long-term solutions but we'll find out these next few years.

lorimike

08-10-2008, 04:09 PM

Well, find a player who did both and criticize them for it. I haven't heard anything that Thomas was out of shape(and just because he hurt his hammy doesn't mean he was out of shape) or can't pick up the playbook.
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I think Zorn said that both Thomas and Kelly failed a conditioning test comprised of a series of sprints. I think Zorn did blame the pulled hamstring on lack of conditioning.

TrueOracle

08-10-2008, 04:36 PM

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I think Zorn said that both Thomas and Kelly failed a conditioning test comprised of a series of sprints. I think Zorn did blame the pulled hamstring on lack of conditioning.

Thanks...

TrueOracle

08-10-2008, 04:37 PM

Well, find a player who did both and criticize them for it. I haven't heard anything that Thomas was out of shape(and just because he hurt his hammy doesn't mean he was out of shape) or can't pick up the playbook.

It was mentioned that Thomas was struggling with the offense. If you need the article I'll find it for you but it was in the WP. I wasn't just making this up you know.

Homer07

08-10-2008, 05:14 PM

I don't fault either Thomas or Kelly for being injured. I just wish we could red shirt 'em so their roster spots don't feel like dead weight.

Receivers always take the longest to mature. Their slow development will mean we'll have to keep 6 receivers on the roster.

I'm guessing there's a good shot one of them gets IR'd and we stash Mann and Gant on the PS.

akhhorus

08-10-2008, 05:25 PM

It was mentioned that Thomas was struggling with the offense. If you need the article I'll find it for you but it was in the WP. I wasn't just making this up you know.

The only one I can find is this one:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/05/AR2008080503035.html

Zorn hinted that the satisfaction of being high draft picks may have contributed to the players' lack of conditioning, but said he did not know for sure.

"He wasn't necessarily in condition to go through a training camp like this," Zorn said of Kelly. "He really wasn't. They'll have to reevaluate their offseason program as young rookies."

Given their prolonged absences and the problems many young wide receivers have adapting to the West Coast offense and the NFL in general, Zorn said they may not be able to do much in the basic offense at the start of the season.

Wow, substantial. /sarcasm

I'm sorry, but neither player has stepped on the field once, and you've already made up your mind on them. Thats just absurd.

LATrueRedskin

08-10-2008, 09:47 PM

Neither of them should be worried, but I'm beginning to.

redskinzluva

08-11-2008, 12:41 AM

Yeah I think we are carrying 6 wrs this year anyway. McMullen looked pretty good. So hopefully he will make the 6th wr spot.

I just wanted to say hi to everyone on the board.

I am a die hard skins fan. I have been banned from extremeskins for disagreeing with a long time poster and they made the Moderator ban me for 185 days. Seems to be a lot of bias over there. Hopefully the same moderators aren't on this board.

So this will be my new home. I welcome intelligent debate but I dont welcome name calling. someone called me names on the board and when I replied I got banned.

But hopefully the posters on here are more civil.

jaylen

08-11-2008, 12:52 AM

Mcmullen should be cut he's done nothing to show me he has a clue aboutwhat it takes tro be a quality wr.He looks tenative and like he's afraid to get hit.

I have no feel for Thomas or Kelly but they both have potential and are both rookes who haven't played. No way in hell they are cut because they got nicked.The thread starter has made a ridiculous post.

Mix who knows he's been hurt but he's good on teams.

TrueOracle

08-11-2008, 01:15 AM

The only one I can find is this one:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/05/AR2008080503035.html

Wow, substantial. /sarcasm

I'm sorry, but neither player has stepped on the field once, and you've already made up your mind on them. Thats just absurd.

Just ask next time....

After participating in the Redskins' offseason program, Thomas expressed confidence about being ready for Zorn's version of the West Coast offense. Early in training camp, however, Thomas has struggled as he tries to make the transition to the NFL.

"The first couple of practices, Malcolm [Kelly] made some plays," wide receivers coach Stan Hixon said. "Devin is still coming along."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/24/AR2008072403806.html

colkurtz

08-11-2008, 01:45 AM

Skins-fo-life

08-11-2008, 04:33 AM

With Mix being out for a week (ribs) it nearly destroys any chance he has of making the team. It is so critical for a guy in his position to have an injury at this time of year. He is out and someone else steps in and makes plays like Mcmullen has. McMullen should be making plays against his competition though. He has adapted to NFL speed and most of the other guys are just learning that, so i'm not sold on him yet. He has bounced around from Philly to Minny and hasn't been able to stick. If any of these guys make the team more than likely they will be gameday inactives. I can see Zorn putting Fred Davis out there alot as well to take the spot of the extra WR during games. Davis has looked ok so far in the preseason. Still 3 games to go so anything can happen. If anyone has watched other games its kinda sick to see what the other rookie Wr's are doing. Desean Jackson, James Hardy, and Limas Sweed all had a good games. I just can't wait to see Thomas and Kelly out there making plays. Hail to the Skins!!

NamVet4

08-11-2008, 08:50 AM

WR's, on average, take more than one year/one season to have any true worth to any team. Yes, it is disappointing that the Coach had to comment on their conditioning. Yes, it is too early to tell what these rookies can contribute... because.... they haven't played in the pre-season to warrant a rational evaluation. So, in the end we have two 2nd round picks waiting...and we wait with them.

hockeygoalie29

08-11-2008, 09:27 AM

Just ask next time....

After participating in the Redskins' offseason program, Thomas expressed confidence about being ready for Zorn's version of the West Coast offense. Early in training camp, however, Thomas has struggled as he tries to make the transition to the NFL.

"The first couple of practices, Malcolm [Kelly] made some plays," wide receivers coach Stan Hixon said. "Devin is still coming along."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/24/AR2008072403806.html

I'm sorry, but saying Devin Thomas doesn't have the ability to pick up the play book from these two paragraphs is stretching the truth big time. I highlighted the two sections that really matter...

hockeygoalie29

08-11-2008, 09:35 AM

I'm not throwing the towel in on him... I just need to see that he's committed to performing at a level that would warrant a 2nd round pick. And no, showing up to camp out of shape, practicing for 30 mins before injury on the first day, and struggling with the playbook is not a good first impression... JuCo or not.

Are you confusing Thomas with Daniels? Daniels was hurt in the first practice, Thomas wasn't hurt until the end of the first week of training camp (camp started 7-19, Thomas was hurt on 7-24).

akhhorus

08-11-2008, 09:41 AM

Just ask next time....

After participating in the Redskins' offseason program, Thomas expressed confidence about being ready for Zorn's version of the West Coast offense. Early in training camp, however, Thomas has struggled as he tries to make the transition to the NFL.

"The first couple of practices, Malcolm [Kelly] made some plays," wide receivers coach Stan Hixon said. "Devin is still coming along."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/24/AR2008072403806.html

There's nothing there that backs up your assertion. I get that you don't like Thomas, but you're fabricating now.

hockeygoalie29

08-11-2008, 09:48 AM

Guys, it's not like Thomas and Kelly came into camp 30 pounds overweight from eating cheeseburgers all summer. I'm guessing that they were in the best shape of their lives, but realized that they need to take it up a notch now that they are in the NFL. Making the transistion to the pro game is a shock to all rookies and it will be no different with Kelly and Thomas. Their bodies need to become acclimated to the rigors of the pro schedule which is much tougher than at the college level.

Zorn called them out to let them know this won't be a cakewalk and to light a fire under the two of them becaus he knows we are going to need them to step up. Now it is up to them to prove themselves.

sinskin

08-12-2008, 09:33 AM

Are you confusing Thomas with Daniels? Daniels was hurt in the first practice, Thomas wasn't hurt until the end of the first week of training camp (camp started 7-19, Thomas was hurt on 7-24).

ding ding ding

shally

08-12-2008, 10:05 AM

ding ding ding

and daniels was in terrific shape, but was hurt on a freak play.. i have to feel that part of thomas' injury was due to his lack of conditioning

Nomad

08-12-2008, 11:23 AM

BRAVEONAWARPATH

08-12-2008, 11:46 AM

The most interesting thing about extremeskins is the selective application of policies. The mods break the rules they often ban others for. Especially if you say something really scathing about Snyder. Absolute corporate-style hypocrisy.
I do most of my posting on extremeskins and I've never seen anyone banned for saying something scathing about Snyder.

Now when it comes to politics it's a whole other story....

redskin_rich

08-12-2008, 11:48 AM

Stay on topic, folks.

colkurtz

08-12-2008, 12:49 PM

I, for one, will be very interested to see how Thomas plays this week. I anticipate he will get a lot of reps. that is if his conditioning issues and injury recovery allow for it.

Another guy i want to see is McMullen - set him up with JC and Collins and see how he does. I suspect that Mix's injury will be the coffin nail for his Redskin's career. In a very tight competition, that can make the difference.

Battle Cat

08-12-2008, 06:33 PM

The book is only in the preface section of being written on Thomas and Kelly. Coming into this year I didn't think either could beat out Moss or ARE but I did hope that at least one and possibly both would beat out James Thrash. I think the chances on them doing that is getting slimmer and slimmer everyday. I just hope they take this as a learning experience and try to better themselves from it because no matter what they think ARE and S. Moss have pride and have been in the leauge for a while and neither is going to just hand over their starting jobs because a new rookie gets drafted. So if D. Thomas and M. Kelly look at the situation as they have to take those 2 guys starting spots it is not just going to be handed to them they will work harder and be ok.