The Final 53: Post Buffalo

[CNYSkinFan]

Here we are with my Final 53 update from after the Buffalo game. got a few surprises on here this time.

The Final 53: Post Buffalo (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=553)

Check it out and let me know what you think.

[Patrick]

Looks pretty good so far. Injuries will be the determind factor on some of those borderline positions. ............. I'm still concern about Rogers and Rocky being completely healthy (or ready) by openning day as well as James.

[shally]

Here we are with my Final 53 update from after the Buffalo game. got a few surprises on here this time.

The Final 53: Post Buffalo (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=553)

Check it out and let me know what you think.

the single toughest area to make cuts may turn out to be the o line.

wade may not make it despite his experience because he is not very flexible and fabini has proven to be more so. reinhart will be starting somewhere on the line by next year. heyer is improved physically but is still awkward
actually geisinger had a great game and made all the line calls flawlessly. crummey and clark could easily make someones roster as reserves and will be deserving of PS at the very least.. even taveres washington looked good. all of a sudden we have nice young depth. tough tough calls coming up

i dont think we go with only 8 d linemen because i dont think that james can be counted on for more than spot duty for most of the early portion of the season. that means either wilson or jackson gets the 9th spot

we might go with 6 linebackers out of necessity

the move of springs to safety is huge because it means we can go with 9 db's instead of ten with springs counting as either the 5th corner or safety. we will be alot younger inthe safety position because both horton and moore should make the squad barring injuries

you cannot look at the way mason runs the ball and not feel he has a place on the team.. ask the giants what having a reserve like ahmad bradshaw was worth late in the season as injuries piled up.. it will mean we keep 4 TE/FB's total.. maybe alexander gets some reps there eventually ?

incidentally, pitts cut trucks today.. i wonder if we give him a call to provide depth for the preseason ??

[The Iceman]

Pretty right on in my opinion. I think Fincher gets released and Rob Jackson makes the team. Remember, J. Taylor can play LB in a pinch.

[silverspring]

I would put Tyron on the practice squad, he needs a lot more work.
I don't know if we can keep all those WRs when we need so much more depth on defense (Dline, DBs, and LBs).

[flave1969]

Good write up Dustin but will you please stop callin London Fletcher, London Fletcher-Baker.:)

[shally]

Pretty right on in my opinion. I think Fincher gets released and Rob Jackson makes the team. Remember, J. Taylor can play LB in a pinch.


i think we need to keep fincher, unless we pick up another vet linebacker..since we passed on takeo spikes,my guess is that they are pleased with what we have for now.

but remember we have both blades and rocky coming off surgery so we are truly thin at lb right now

[CNYSkinFan]

Looks pretty good so far. Injuries will be the determind factor on some of those borderline positions. ............. I'm still concern about Rogers and Rocky being completely healthy (or ready) by openning day as well as James.

Well both rogers and rockey are going to play in the last pre-season game according to what i am reading. I think they are just being careful wiht them, but i am reading great reports out of camp.

the single toughest area to make cuts may turn out to be the o line.

wade may not make it despite his experience because he is not very flexible and fabini has proven to be more so. reinhart will be starting somewhere on the line by next year. heyer is improved physically but is still awkward
actually geisinger had a great game and made all the line calls flawlessly. crummey and clark could easily make someones roster as reserves and will be deserving of PS at the very least.. even taveres washington looked good. all of a sudden we have nice young depth. tough tough calls coming up

i dont think we go with only 8 d linemen because i dont think that james can be counted on for more than spot duty for most of the early portion of the season. that means either wilson or jackson gets the 9th spot

we might go with 6 linebackers out of necessity

the move of springs to safety is huge because it means we can go with 9 db's instead of ten with springs counting as either the 5th corner or safety. we will be alot younger inthe safety position because both horton and moore should make the squad barring injuries

you cannot look at the way mason runs the ball and not feel he has a place on the team.. ask the giants what having a reserve like ahmad bradshaw was worth late in the season as injuries piled up.. it will mean we keep 4 TE/FB's total.. maybe alexander gets some reps there eventually ?

incidentally, pitts cut trucks today.. i wonder if we give him a call to provide depth for the preseason ??

all possibilities of course. 7 lbs, 9 dl, 10 ol, 6 wr, 5s, 4rb these are all positions of excess. It depends on who is there, whether you feel you can ps them and get away with it.

I doubt alexander goes anywhere but DT, and it is possible he could get cut for Jackson because of Evans flexibility.

Pretty right on in my opinion. I think Fincher gets released and Rob Jackson makes the team. Remember, J. Taylor can play LB in a pinch.

But Jackson has PS eleigibility and has tapered off and Fincher does not and has played lights out.

Taylor has never been a true lb in a 4-3 from what i recall but I may be wrong.

I would put Tyron on the practice squad, he needs a lot more work.
I don't know if we can keep all those WRs when we need so much more depth on defense (Dline, DBs, and LBs).

Tryon could go to the ps, but I think a few other teams may notice him there being a 4th round pick...but maybe not.

Good write up Dustin but will you please stop callin London Fletcher, London Fletcher-Baker.:)

i have no idea what you are talking about :)

[shally]

i read somewhere that a few teams had already cut draft picks with the "waived/injury settlement" designation.

because of the smaller preseason rosters teams are forced to cut players they might keep around and some draft picks are already out there.

the fact that we may have wasted a 4th rounder on tryon is irrelevant to other teams. they will look at tape and decide if he is worthy of a roster spot. right now, he sure looks shaky. i hope he is showing up better in practice than he is in games..

[HanburgerBum]

I think Rob Jackson makes the final 53 at the expense of Erasmus James (PUP) or Lorenzo Alexnader (cut). If Wilson gets healthy, he may be a 9th Dlineman at the expense of Rock Cartwright or a 7th LB.

The depth at LB is very shaky. But, merely adding anther body (a 7th LB) may not be the solution. It's not evident that both Sinclar and Finch deserve spots. Blades played both inside and outside last season after McIntosh went down, and Khary Campbell has apparently played inside and outside this preseason. So, six LBs may be enough.

If Marcus Mason shows anything on special teams, I think Cartwright's Redskins career is at an end.

And, don't discount Geisinger's chances at backup center instead of Crummey. The Wash Post had an article today about the great game Geisinger had vs Buffalo including calling all the line assignments.

Jon Jansen is rapidly becoming a problem. It's no longer clear that he deserves to start at RT. If he is the backup center, how come he hasn't played a snap there yet? If Jensen were not to expensive (capwise) to cut, the team should give some serious consideration to that.

[Battle Cat]

I think that is a pretty good 53 man list. I would only disagree with Erasmus James making the team as a situation pass rusher. He doesn't rush the passer very well in my opinoin and is probably a walking injury waiting to happen. I would take Chris Wilson even though he has struggled some this camp or Rob Jackson over James any day of the week. But other than that pretty musch on target in my opinion of the 53 man team.

[redskin_rich]

And, don't discount Geisinger's chances at backup center instead of Crummey. The Wash Post had an article today about the great game Geisinger had vs Buffalo including calling all the line assignments.

Jon Jansen is rapidly becoming a problem. It's no longer clear that he deserves to start at RT. If he is the backup center, how come he hasn't played a snap there yet? If Jensen were not to expensive (capwise) to cut, the team should give some serious consideration to that.
Agree about Geisinger, he did very well.

I thought Jansen had a good game, other than the holding call, where he got beat pretty bad. That happens to everybody, it's not like he was getting pushed around the entire time. Him and Thomas were blasting some huge holes on running plays.

[Hrabanmaur]

Thanks for offering up the new projection, CNYSkinFan.

Agree about Geisinger, he did very well.

I thought Jansen had a good game, other than the holding call, where he got beat pretty bad. That happens to everybody, it's not like he was getting pushed around the entire time. Him and Thomas were blasting some huge holes on running plays.

Yeah, I'd place Geisinger above Crummey at this point, especially considering that Crummey didn't come in until Fabini went out (making him 3rd string?). I just have a feeling one of these young guys is going to make it over Wade, whose injury propensity and play doesn't seem to be getting better (in fact he may be a "progress stopper").

Jansen's forte has always been run blocking. He's always had a few issues with pass protection. I don't think he's declined as much as this is how Jansen plays. As for the holding call, I'd happily take it again if it keeps Campbell from getting throttled. We love Jansen because he and Thomas make a dominant run-game (see last year without them).

I think that is a pretty good 53 man list. I would only disagree with Erasmus James making the team as a situation pass rusher. He doesn't rush the passer very well in my opinoin and is probably a walking injury waiting to happen. I would take Chris Wilson even though he has struggled some this camp or Rob Jackson over James any day of the week. But other than that pretty musch on target in my opinion of the 53 man team.

And in the news today, James came off the PUP and onto the active roster. John Palermo, his college coach, is the defensive line coach. I'd be shocked to see James cut for any reason other than a recurrence of his injury. I think Jackson stays on the active roster, and Chris Wilson becomes the guy on the outside looking in. Wilson looked great last year when we had no pass rushers besides Carter. This year, it's a different ball game (thank God!).


The depth at LB is very shaky. But, merely adding anther body (a 7th LB) may not be the solution. It's not evident that both Sinclar and Finch deserve spots. Blades played both inside and outside last season after McIntosh went down, and Khary Campbell has apparently played inside and outside this preseason. So, six LBs may be enough.

Spot on. No reason to keep two below average LBs to make up for our depth problems. We just need to hope that Campbell and Blades can cover any injury problems. I think we keep only 6.

i read somewhere that a few teams had already cut draft picks with the "waived/injury settlement" designation.

because of the smaller preseason rosters teams are forced to cut players they might keep around and some draft picks are already out there.

the fact that we may have wasted a 4th rounder on tryon is irrelevant to other teams. they will look at tape and decide if he is worthy of a roster spot. right now, he sure looks shaky. i hope he is showing up better in practice than he is in games..

Yeah, I agree that if Tryon needs to get cut, he will. Ultimately, I think this will come down to a pow-wow between Gray and Blache to determine how coach-able this kid is. If they think they can mold him, he'll stay. If they think he's too overwhelmed, say bye-bye. I would look to Richardson to slide into Tryon's spot if this happens.

Mix’s injury opens up the 6th WR spot for McMullen who is out there catching balls, and not sitting on the sideline. And Mix’s injury will sideline him for another week. A strong performance by McMullen and he will be out of the …uhm Mix. Mann and Toller are battling for the last PS spot

McMullen has obviously earned the confidence of the Redskins QBs, and he's caught everything coming his way. BUT, I still think our 6th WR will have to play solid teams, which Mix has done. I need to see McMullen do something on teams before I jump on his bandwagon. I think the WR roster won't be clear until the end of the preseason when we get Mix, Thomas, and Kelly on the field to see what we actually have.

[ryflan47]

Chris Wilson is my only gripe. I think he'll make the team if it comes between him and James.

[Nomad]

1. Does Devine replace Collins next year if Brennan improves? That is, Brennan #2, Devine #3?

2. Any real chance Rock gets cut & replaced by Mason? Mason blows it up rest of preseason, could this happen?

3. How have Tavares Washington & Geisenger looked? Any chance we ditch Fabini & give them or someone else a shot? That would mean no older b-ups, but Heyer and Rinehart.

4. Given the fact that we have old and/or injury prone DL, doesn't 9 make more sense? Would some other team sign Jackson if placed on PS?

5. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep a really solid prospect somewhere else rather than 7 linebackers?

Thanks for any answers, haven't been able to see as much preseason as would like, sports bars here stingy about showing preseason Skins.

[shally]

Chris Wilson is my only gripe. I think he'll make the team if it comes between him and James.

no chance on that.. james is a former first rounder with a world of potential, but lots of injuries
wilson is too small to be anything beyond a situational rusher. that said, 5 sacks last year was downright impressive.

i think james makes the team if he is healthy. otherwise he goes on IR
the last DL spot is between wilson and jackson

[shally]

1. Does Devine replace Collins next year if Brennan improves? That is, Brennan #2, Devine #3?

2. Any real chance Rock gets cut & replaced by Mason? Mason blows it up rest of preseason, could this happen?

3. How have Tavares Washington & Geisenger looked? Any chance we ditch Fabini & give them or someone else a shot? That would mean no older b-ups, but Heyer and Rinehart.

4. Given the fact that we have old and/or injury prone DL, doesn't 9 make more sense? Would some other team sign Jackson if placed on PS?

5. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep a really solid prospect somewhere else rather than 7 linebackers?

Thanks for any answers, haven't been able to see as much preseason as would like, sports bars here stingy about showing preseason Skins.


ALL the reserve linemen looked very impressive.. for my money it went
reinhart-- just a beast everywhere he plays
geisinger-- handled the line calls and snaps without a hiccup. when is the last time we had a true reserve center we could count on ?
clark-- very quiet game.. what you look for
fabini-- had his best game as a redskin- ever. looks to have made transition to guard
crummey-- washington-- quietly effective

if i am wade, i worry because i cant play guard and my salary is higher than anyone except for fabini... if i am heyer, i realize that last year was last year and despite having a new body, i need to get to work on my footwork

right now i think the 3 young guys who have the best shot are heyer, reinhart and geisinger.. but the others are breathing down their necks and the competition will go right to the last day

[Battle Cat]

Thanks for offering up the new projection, CNYSkinFan.

And in the news today, James came off the PUP and onto the active roster. John Palermo, his college coach, is the defensive line coach. I'd be shocked to see James cut for any reason other than a recurrence of his injury. I think Jackson stays on the active roster, and Chris Wilson becomes the guy on the outside looking in. Wilson looked great last year when we had no pass rushers besides Carter. This year, it's a different ball game (thank God!).


I know we have more of a passrush this year with Taylor and Carter and a hopefully healthy Marcus Washington but all those guys are on the wrong side of 30. Wouldn't mind having a backup plan in Chris Wilson. As far as Erasmus James I would say I hope he gets back to where he was before the injury but that wasn't that great either. I hope both do well but I will take the younger guy that has produced even though over only a small sample size a pass rush in the NFL. I think if we release Erasmus James I think he may be out of the leauge but I am positive someone would pick up Chris Wilson.

[silverspring]

Do you think maybe we should bench jackson for the rest of preseason so he doesn't draw anymore attention in case we need to put him on the practice squad?

[CNYSkinFan]

1. Does Devine replace Collins next year if Brennan improves? That is, Brennan #2, Devine #3?

2. Any real chance Rock gets cut & replaced by Mason? Mason blows it up rest of preseason, could this happen?

3. How have Tavares Washington & Geisenger looked? Any chance we ditch Fabini & give them or someone else a shot? That would mean no older b-ups, but Heyer and Rinehart.

4. Given the fact that we have old and/or injury prone DL, doesn't 9 make more sense? Would some other team sign Jackson if placed on PS?

5. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep a really solid prospect somewhere else rather than 7 linebackers?

Thanks for any answers, haven't been able to see as much preseason as would like, sports bars here stingy about showing preseason Skins.

1.) i don't know, that is next year...but sure it could happen.

2.) I doubt it. rock is a vet and a great special teamer. Mason may pass him on nthe depth chart but I think Rock sticks for one more year.

3.) they have looked good enough to get ps spots and maybe Geisinger can battle for a roster spot. No we wont get rid of Fabini...not this year. Undrafted fa are made for the ps not the roster.

4.) We could go with 9 DL...but I doubt Jackson gets signed to another teams active roster. he has not looked tht good outside of one sack. He is a 7th round pick and there will be alot of DL out there to sift through. I don't worry about people signing our trash...there is more of them around. If they can not make the top 53 then they are not going to contribute much in the long run.

5.) I think fincher is a really solid prospect...he is relatively young and finding the ball. There are alot of prospects out there...but we need 7 lbers with blades and McIntosh both coming off surgery and Fletcher and Washington gettign long in the tooth

[Old Ref]

Here we are with my Final 53 update from after the Buffalo game. got a few surprises on here this time.

The Final 53: Post Buffalo (http://www.hailredskins.com/?p=553)

Check it out and let me know what you think.


Interesting selections, but I doubt Zorn keeps 26 offense but only 24 defense. DTs get hurt too often to go into the season without some extra bodies ready. If this turns out to be the case, Billy McMullen could be the guy who takes the hit.

I also think Vernon Fox's job is in jeopardy as soon as Zorn is ready to put Erasumus James on the active roster.

[Old Ref]

no chance on that.. james is a former first rounder with a world of potential, but lots of injuries
wilson is too small to be anything beyond a situational rusher. that said, 5 sacks last year was downright impressive.

i think james makes the team if he is healthy. otherwise he goes on IR
the last DL spot is between wilson and jackson


Consider the possibility that Zorn could put James on the PUP list to give him more time to heal and keep Fox around for a few extra weeks to give Safety another body until he is sure that Landry is OK.

[CNYSkinFan]

Interesting selections, but I doubt Zorn keeps 26 offense but only 24 defense. DTs get hurt too often to go into the season without some extra bodies ready. If this turns out to be the case, Billy McMullen could be the guy who takes the hit.

I also think Vernon Fox's job is in jeopardy as soon as Zorn is ready to put Erasumus James on the active roster.
but if he makes up for it on the PS and they can be activated in only days, it wont hurt.

And Zorn is an offensive guy, remember that. He may not be so deferential to Blach as Gibbs was to williams

[CNYSkinFan]

Consider the possibility that Zorn could put James on the PUP list to give him more time to heal and keep Fox around for a few extra weeks to give Safety another body until he is sure that Landry is OK.
i am not picking on you but I have seen a few of you say James will be put on the pup...

Why then do you suppose James was activated off the pup this week if they are only going to put him on it by the start of the season? Unless James gets a major set back he is going to play and e is going to take a roster spot

[shally]

Consider the possibility that Zorn could put James on the PUP list to give him more time to heal and keep Fox around for a few extra weeks to give Safety another body until he is sure that Landry is OK.

someone will have to confirm, but i think now that james has come off the PUP list from last year he cant go back on this year.. he could go to IR, but that would be it for this year.. or he could go on the non-football injury list if he hurts himself some other way.. but i think those are the only choices

which makes me hope they were right in bringing him off the PUP list when they did

[Dolla Bill]

This is going to be a tough cut for this roster. The TE and QB positions are about as concrete as you can get. I guess its gonna come down to what position is more coveted to these coaches. I know they kept 6 WR in Seattle, but 6 just seems a bit excessive when there are other positions that get nicked moreso than WR.

[shally]

This is going to be a tough cut for this roster. The TE and QB positions are about as concrete as you can get. I guess its gonna come down to what position is more coveted to these coaches. I know they kept 6 WR in Seattle, but 6 just seems a bit excessive when there are other positions that get nicked moreso than WR.

the history in seattle was that receivers got nicked a lot.. i would not be surprised if zorn acted in expectation it might happen here. given the history of moss, ARE and thrash over the past couple of years, that might just be wise

[jaylen]

If we have to load up it is on O Line depth. I agree with the Wade analysis, and although they won't do it Jansen looks done thats 2 full blown breakdowns in 2 games in limited possesions, you stretch that out to a full game and he could get JC hurt or us penalized to often. Not a good look at all.

Fincher should be kept because I'm concerned with Rocky's knee and Marcus Washington's effectiveness.

If Rogers shows he's ready I'd pull the trigger and make Springs the starter at safety and cut Doughty. But thats probably a ways away.

Erasmus would have to really show me something or else I'd definitely keep Rob Jackson up. To me thats the battle. James has no standing it has to be performace based.

I don't think Devine is worth practice squading either.

[shally]

If we have to load up it is on O Line depth. I agree with the Wade analysis, and although they won't do it Jansen looks done thats 2 full blown breakdowns in 2 games in limited possesions, you stretch that out to a full game and he could get JC hurt or us penalized to often. Not a good look at all.

Fincher should be kept because I'm concerned with Rocky's knee and Marcus Washington's effectiveness.

If Rogers shows he's ready I'd pull the trigger and make Springs the starter at safety and cut Doughty. But thats probably a ways away.

Erasmus would have to really show me something or else I'd definitely keep Rob Jackson up. To me thats the battle. James has no standing it has to be performace based.

I don't think Devine is worth practice squading either.

even if springs moves to safety full time (he wont because he is still too good a corner to move him) there is no way doughty goes from starter to off the squad. not gonna happen.
if someone is the odd man out it will either be one of the young guys or fox..
no way you see springs crashing through the o line to blitz. that is a young man's folly..

[skinfanjon]

If we have to load up it is on O Line depth. I agree with the Wade analysis, and although they won't do it Jansen looks done thats 2 full blown breakdowns in 2 games in limited possesions, you stretch that out to a full game and he could get JC hurt or us penalized to often. Not a good look at all.

Fincher should be kept because I'm concerned with Rocky's knee and Marcus Washington's effectiveness.

If Rogers shows he's ready I'd pull the trigger and make Springs the starter at safety and cut Doughty. But thats probably a ways away.

Erasmus would have to really show me something or else I'd definitely keep Rob Jackson up. To me thats the battle. James has no standing it has to be performace based.

I don't think Devine is worth practice squading either.

If you listen to any of Blache's press conferences you'll realize Reed is going nowhere. He flat out said he is our starter alongside Landry.

I like Mason, but Zorn has been very revealing in his comments to the press as well. He said rather unenthusiastically that Marcus is "in the mix"....to me, that means he's fighting for a spot but is hardly a sure thing. That fumble probably knocked him down a notch or two.

In addition to the sack, I think Rob Jackson has looked pretty good. He had solid pressure off the edge on back to back plays against the Bills, and just looks the part of a rostered player when he's on the field. He has good size and seems to possess that proper feel for the game. I hope it doesn't come to a decision between him and Wilson, but the numbers seem to indicate that is the case. I definitely think Jackson will get picked up if cut, we are actually above average along the line this year. Think about it...Taylor, Carter, Monty, Griff, Golston, James, Evans, Wilson, Jackson....that's nine solid players imo. Somebody will pounce on an upgrade.

With Mix cracking a rib, that may be just enough to allow McMullen to make the team. I think Zorn will keep six WR and he seems to have an affinity toward Billy. Heck, Mo Mann might even be ahead of Mix on the pecking order right now.


And Richardson should be ahead of Tryon at this point, draft status be damned. Although, I'm not exactly sold on Mattereal either, we may take a look at some vet camp cuts from around the league to round out the CB position. Springs, Smoot, Carlos, and Torrence form a solid foursome, but Richardson is the only other CB that resembles a rosterable player at that position right now, and he came from out of nowhere to do so. He will have to continue to be productive throughout the preseason to get a shot. IMO, the only way tryon makes the team is if the other CB's falter and we don't like any of the available vets, unless of course his level of play improves dramatically. And before labeling me a Tryon hater, understand that I was very excited to see what this kid had. Once I did.....yeah, not so much.

Again, all of these thoughts are based on the reports from camp and the first two preseason games, I acknowledge that things can change in a hurry.

Solid job on this CNY, it will be interesting to see hoe it unfolds in the coming weeks.

[shally]

If you listen to any of Blache's press conferences you'll realize Reed is going nowhere. He flat out said he is our starter alongside Landry.

I like Mason, but Zorn has been very revealing in his comments to the press as well. He said rather unenthusiastically that Marcus is "in the mix"....to me, that means he's fighting for a spot but is hardly a sure thing. That fumble probably knocked him down a notch or two.

In addition to the sack, I think Rob Jackson has looked pretty good. He had solid pressure off the edge on back to back plays against the Bills, and just looks the part of a rostered player when he's on the field. He has good size and seems to possess that proper feel for the game. I hope it doesn't come to a decision between him and Wilson, but the numbers seem to indicate that is the case. I definitely think Jackson will get picked up if cut, we are actually above average along the line this year. Think about it...Taylor, Carter, Monty, Griff, Golston, James, Evans, Wilson, Jackson....that's nine solid players imo. Somebody will pounce on an upgrade.

With Mix cracking a rib, that may be just enough to allow McMullen to make the team. I think Zorn will keep six WR and he seems to have an affinity toward Billy. Heck, Mo Mann might even be ahead of Mix on the pecking order right now.


And Richardson should be ahead of Tryon at this point, draft status be damned. Although, I'm not exactly sold on Mattereal either, we may take a look at some vet camp cuts from around the league to round out the CB position. Springs, Smoot, Carlos, and Torrence form a solid foursome, but Richardson is the only other CB that resembles a rosterable player at that position right now, and he came from out of nowhere to do so. He will have to continue to be productive throughout the preseason to get a shot. IMO, the only way tryon makes the team is if the other CB's falter and we don't like any of the available vets, unless of course his level of play improves dramatically. And before labeling me a Tryon hater, understand that I was very excited to see what this kid had. Once I did.....yeah, not so much.

Again, all of these thoughts are based on the reports from camp and the first two preseason games, I acknowledge that things can change in a hurry.

Solid job on this CNY, it will be interesting to see hoe it unfolds in the coming weeks.

i agree about richardson.. really wonder what it was that made his draft stock fall ? most likely slow 40 times, since i dont think he has any major history of injuries or character problems

[Hr fan]

Lorenzo Alexander the forgotten man maybe to keep Wilson? IMO Alexander as a DT, OG, FB on tape from last year has the versatility to make the team, especially if he can bocome the wedge buster on coverage teams (I believe he is already in on FG and PAT attempts).

[jaylen]

even if springs moves to safety full time (he wont because he is still too good a corner to move him) there is no way doughty goes from starter to off the squad. not gonna happen.
if someone is the odd man out it will either be one of the young guys or fox..
no way you see springs crashing through the o line to blitz. that is a young man's folly..

why, what has Douthy done other than had the experience of playing decently down the stretch to have a roster spot locked up he looked terrible against the Colts and the rookies have more physical talent.And Fox is better on Teams.

If you listen to any of Blache's press conferences you'll realize Reed is going nowhere. He flat out said he is our starter alongside Landry.



I heard that but that would be a mistake, I think RD is just biding time till he loses the job. We have better options there with Springs and the youngsters with Landry's ability to play both spots.

[smoak]

great work dustin!! my biggest beefs are mcmullen and fabini. mcmullen hasn't contributed to a team after 3 or 4 years with philly and a year with minny (not to mention a year playing madden '08). i don't see us keeping 6 WRs, and as i am the self appointed president of the "mason fan club", i definitely prefer we keep an extra HB.

fabini i just personally don't like. :D

[CNYSkinFan]

great work dustin!! my biggest beefs are mcmullen and fabini. mcmullen hasn't contributed to a team after 3 or 4 years with philly and a year with minny (not to mention a year playing madden '08). i don't see us keeping 6 WRs, and as i am the self appointed president of the "mason fan club", i definitely prefer we keep an extra HB.

fabini i just personally don't like. :D
well I don't think it is either or with Mason and mcmullen. I think it can be both and with injuries, current and past, among the wr corp they may want a 6th. I can see Zorn keeping an extra O guy as opposed to D because of the cversatility present among the line and DBs.

I don't like Fabini either but he is the price we pay for not drafting young ol...hopefully that trend will change with the emergence of Rinehart

[dj_stouty]

I don't like Fabini either but he is the price we pay for not drafting young ol...hopefully that trend will change with the emergence of Rinehart

Rinehart is a stud in the making. He looks very comfortable out there in the trenches. Once Buges "coaches him up" I think the sky is the limit for the kid.

[redskin_rich]

Hate on him all you want, Fabini did a great job of blocking downfield on that play that Betts scored on. I think he is getting more comfortable at the Guard spot now.

[HanburgerBum]

no chance on that.. james is a former first rounder with a world of potential, but lots of injuries
wilson is too small to be anything beyond a situational rusher. that said, 5 sacks last year was downright impressive.

i think james makes the team if he is healthy. otherwise he goes on IR
the last DL spot is between wilson and jackson


I have a different take on the question of James vs Jackson/Wilson. True, James was a former 1st rounder and had a world of potential coming out of college. But, after lots of injuries and never having played up to that potential, he is no longer valuable property. Remember, the Vikings had put him on waivers. The only reason he was pulled back was at the request of the Redskins, who were willing to give a 7th rounder for him. Obviously, Minnesota did not even regard James as being tradable before that.

On the other hand, Jackson and Wilson are relatively injury-free at this point. Wilson had 5 sacks last season and Jackson has looked pretty good so far in preseason. To me, they would be more vulnerable to be claimed once on waiver than James.

I am guessing that Blache is going to play James in the next 4 preseason games. If he is healthy and productive, he gets a roster spot. If he is either unhealthy or non-productive come Sept, IR him or cut him.

[CNYSkinFan]

I am as big a Wilson fan as any but he has done absolutely nothing this pre-season and by all camp reports I am reading has regressed. I have to wonder whether he got lazy ion the offseason or the league caught up to him

[tbfoster1]

great work dustin!! my biggest beefs are mcmullen and fabini. mcmullen hasn't contributed to a team after 3 or 4 years with philly and a year with minny (not to mention a year playing madden '08). i don't see us keeping 6 WRs, and as i am the self appointed president of the "mason fan club", i definitely prefer we keep an extra HB.

fabini i just personally don't like. :D

If you are the personally appointed president of the Mason fan club, then if you don't mind I'd like to personally appoint myself as the president of the Fabini Hate Club. You can be my VP in that club unless somebody hates him more than you. I have nothing but utter disdain for that guy.

Hate on him all you want, Fabini did a great job of blocking downfield on that play that Betts scored on. I think he is getting more comfortable at the Guard spot now.

Even the sun shines on a dogs arse every now and then. But yes, on that play he did pretty good.

[HanburgerBum]

If you are the personally appointed president of the Mason fan club, then if you don't mind I'd like to personally appoint myself as the president of the Fabini Hate Club. You can be my VP in that club unless somebody hates him more than you. I have nothing but utter disdain for that guy.



Even the sun shines on a dogs arse every now and then. But yes, on that play he did pretty good.


Fabini shocked the whole city (maybe except for Mrs. Fabini) last season by making the final 53. And, he was not embarrassing when he got a chance to play. So, Buges knew something. With the youngsters Rinehart and Geisinger (Crummey too?) coming on, I am guessing that there is only one spot between Fabini and Wade.

I would normally pick Wade ahead of Fabini, but two things seem to favor Fabini right now. One, the high ankle spring suffered by Wade make take a long time to mend. Two, Fabini can play guard and tackle, whereas Wade has shown that he can not play guard. I think Wade goes on the PUP list and Jason is with us again.

[HanburgerBum]

Agree about Geisinger, he did very well.

I thought Jansen had a good game, other than the holding call, where he got beat pretty bad. That happens to everybody, it's not like he was getting pushed around the entire time. Him and Thomas were blasting some huge holes on running plays.


Jansen was a pro-bowl caliber RT who never got recognition in his first 5-7 years. But, he has been slipping for a couple of years now. So, I am not just talking about his two bad plays this preseason.

Before TC started, I was of the opinion there should be open competition for the starting RT position (with Heyer and probably Wade also in the mix). I still wish that were possible. But, with both Heyer and Wade out with injuries, that looks impossible now. I am thinking that JJ will be the weak-link of the Oline this year. If he continues to break down in the regular season, Buges may have to go to Heyer or Wade (whoever is healthy and on the roster).

And, I doubt Jansen will be the backup center--Geisinger or Crummey will be that. I am guessing that this is JJ's last Redskins season, assuming there is enough cap room to release him next off season.

[HanburgerBum]

i think we need to keep fincher, unless we pick up another vet linebacker..since we passed on takeo spikes,my guess is that they are pleased with what we have for now.

but remember we have both blades and rocky coming off surgery so we are truly thin at lb right now


Keep Fincher? If so, cut Sinclair, who hasn't exactly wow anyone. I don't really see the reason to keep both these two mediocre backups.

LB will be No. 1 on the priority list of positions needing addressing next offseason.

[HanburgerBum]

[QUOTE=Nomad;1123899]1. Does Devine replace Collins next year if Brennan improves? That is, Brennan #2, Devine #3?

2. Any real chance Rock gets cut & replaced by Mason? Mason blows it up rest of preseason, could this happen?

3. How have Tavares Washington & Geisenger looked? Any chance we ditch Fabini & give them or someone else a shot? That would mean no older b-ups, but Heyer and Rinehart.

4. Given the fact that we have old and/or injury prone DL, doesn't 9 make more sense? Would some other team sign Jackson if placed on PS?

5. Wouldn't it make more sense to keep a really solid prospect somewhere else rather than 7 linebackers?


1. I think Collins will be with the Skins again in 2009. He doesn't play "pretty", but he is a heady player and an adequate backup. Even though he is old, his body hasn't taken much punishment.

2. Rock Cartwright is like Ade Jimoh to me--a good special teamer but not a position player. Rock will be on this team again if Marcus Mason doesn't show that he can play special teams, as a 3rd or 4th RB must be able to do. If Mason can play teams, I think Rock is gone.

3. Based upon the Buffalo game, Geisinger looks to be the front runner to backup Rabach. Fabini looks to be the one veteran backup over injured Wade. Tavers Washington is probably out (unless he is eligible for the PS).

4. I don't think 9 Dlinemen are needed. But, 9 may be kept because Dlinemen with some pass-rushing ability are in high demand. So, the Skins may not want to expose people like Jackson, Wilson and James to waivers. I definitely expect Jackson to be on the final 53.

5. I agree. Besides the starters, Blades looks solid. But, it does not seem to make any sense to keep three mediocre prospects amongst Khary Campbell, Finch, Wallace and Sinclar.

[HanburgerBum]

Do you think maybe we should bench jackson for the rest of preseason so he doesn't draw anymore attention in case we need to put him on the practice squad?


Clever strategy. But, I think the NFL's scouting depts are too sharp for any team to be able to hide a prospect by benching him.

Besides, we need to play him more to see if he can continue to progress and whether the early flash is just a mirage. If he shows well, there will be room for him on the final 53 (even if we have to keep 10 Dlinemen--pass rushers are just too valuable to put on waivers).

[Dolla Bill]

I meant to say last time, great write up CNY.

As far as DL goes, do we keep the Jackson/Wilson duo and cut James, or keep James and cut the other two? I really, really do not see James doing much in regards with his injury. He should just be IR'd and allowed to return next year being fully healed, and go to war with Jackson and/or Wilson.

[Hr fan]

I meant to say last time, great write up CNY.

As far as DL goes, do we keep the Jackson/Wilson duo and cut James, or keep James and cut the other two? I really, really do not see James doing much in regards with his injury. He should just be IR'd and allowed to return next year being fully healed, and go to war with Jackson and/or Wilson.

IMO if James can't contribute game 1 then he wouldn't have gotten of the PUP list. Given that the 'Skins valued him for a draft choice (albeit a conditional future one) he would seem to be valued more than, say, Wilson. IMO if Wilson is made available he will be gone (5 sacks is a lot better than many teams players). He might even have trade value in the 6-7th round area. He is an undersized pass rusher, and we already have 2 as starters. If James can hold up against the run IMO Wilson is histroy.

[CNYSkinFan]

uhm...Redskin Rich our bet may still be on. according to John Keim in a subscription article is saying that Horton got some work with first team defense and may get some reps with them against the Jets...over Doughty I would imagine as it is already known Moore is there at fs vfor Landry

interesting....very interesting

[InsomniaKiller]

uhm...Redskin Rich our bet may still be on. according to John Keim in a subscription article is saying that Horton got some work with first team defense and may get some reps with them against the Jets...over Doughty I would imagine as it is already known Moore is there at fs vfor Landry

interesting....very interesting

Sweet. I was hoping he would get a chance to play with the starting defense after the first game when Reed was struggling. Horton looks to have great physical talent. If he can grasp the mental aspects quickly enough, I've got a feeling he can help this team.

[skinsfan36]

nice write up idk if mcmullen makes it even with his performance