Justin Hamilton

[toolman24266]

Ok did anybody else see the hit that this guy made to casue the fumble in the 3rd quarter to give us the winning field goal just wondering why he hasn't got any props for it. I think he is a player and think he desevers a shot at the practice squad roster. Anybody agree or disagree?

[redskin_rich]

He just stuck his helmet on the ball, it was a nice play but not really that big of a hit.

[csquared]

He just stuck his helmet on the ball, it was a nice play but not really that big of a hit.

And its preseason. Big Whoop.

[LATrueRedskin]

Sure he deserves a spot on the practice squad, as they all do. If he keeps making plays like that, I'm sure he'll have no problem making it.

[greatest2]

He just stuck his helmet on the ball, it was a nice play but not really that big of a hit.

agreed. He made a solid tackle, and got lucky his helmet hit the ball. they is still 3 games to prove he is better then the others battling for PS

[shane88]

Is he even eligible for a PS spot??

[shally]

Ok did anybody else see the hit that this guy made to casue the fumble in the 3rd quarter to give us the winning field goal just wondering why he hasn't got any props for it. I think he is a player and think he desevers a shot at the practice squad roster. Anybody agree or disagree?

perfect form tackle.. just exploded into the player..

he is a recent convert to defense after playing all but 1 year on offense in college.. question his instincts right now. with another year on the PS, who knows...

[Slobberknocker]

When I rewatched the game, it looked to me like he just missed helmet-to-helmet contact. He did good things in the game when asked. We'll see how he plays against Green Bay -- I mean, the Jets.

[shally]

When I rewatched the game, it looked to me like he just missed helmet-to-helmet contact. He did good things in the game when asked. We'll see how he plays against Green Bay -- I mean, the Jets.

i think he has been given a new life by the injuries/illness of moore and horton.. and by the flame out of schweigert. the free ride is about to end. he has to clearly outplay some people to rise above camp fodder level..

[warpaint]

And its preseason. Big Whoop.

whether he makes the team or doesn't make the team is immaterial to me , seems like over the past few years (Gibbs era) in the pre season the majority here have been quick to point out that it is preseason and once the season starts our offense wouldn't be so vanilla, as it had been in the preseason , also all the off sides and other bad things we did on defense would suddenly go away and things would be better than they were prior to the first game, so what happened when the season started we were no better than the preseason . I think for myself iam looking for anything positive and I see a lot of it here in the Zorn era, I prefer not to look at the hit as being lucky,rather to view it as something positive,where as other players may want to do the same thing ,negatives breed negatives, positives breed positives , as far as I am concerned it was a great play for the team.

[shally]

whether he makes the team or doesn't make the team is immaterial to me , seems like over the past few years (Gibbs era) in the pre season the majority here have been quick to point out that it is preseason and once the season starts our offense wouldn't be so vanilla, as it had been in the preseason , also all the off sides and other bad things we did on defense would suddenly go away and things would be better than they were prior to the first game, so what happened when the season started we were no better than the preseason . I think for myself iam looking for anything positive and I see a lot of it here in the Zorn era, I prefer not to look at the hit as being lucky,rather to view it as something positive,where as other players may want to do the same thing ,negatives breed negatives, positives breed positives , as far as I am concerned it was a great play for the team.

as you say, i dont think there is any negative way to spin what he did...

[Lavar703]

And its preseason. Big Whoop.

Big whoop?

Tell that to guys like London Fletcher and Laroi Glover who probably wouldnt have a career without preseason. It means alot because it gives guys like Justin Hamilton a chance to be noticed, not only by this team but other teams aswell.

[shally]

Big whoop?

Tell that to guys like London Fletcher and Laroi Glover who probably wouldnt have a career without preseason. It means alot because it gives guys like Justin Hamilton a chance to be noticed, not only by this team but other teams aswell.

that was what zorn was saying yesterday also.. these guys are playing to create a film library of themselves in action.. if nothing else, a team looking for a reserve safety can see that hamilton hits hard and wont avoid contact..
who knows what it takes to get a tryout with a team ? for sure, it helps to have film

[csquared]

Big whoop?

Tell that to guys like London Fletcher and Laroi Glover who probably wouldnt have a career without preseason. It means alot because it gives guys like Justin Hamilton a chance to be noticed, not only by this team but other teams aswell.

Yea big whoop. He caused a fumble by hitting a 3rd or forth string Rb. Was it Dwayne Wright or Xavier Omon? Before that game had anyone ever heard of those 2? Probably not. So big whoop. At that point in the game it was our trash vs. theirs.

[redskinzluva]

Ok did anybody else see the hit that this guy made to casue the fumble in the 3rd quarter to give us the winning field goal just wondering why he hasn't got any props for it. I think he is a player and think he desevers a shot at the practice squad roster. Anybody agree or disagree?


If I am not mistaken he led the team in tackles that game also.

[Patrick]

One good play does not put you on a squad. Consistency (plus lack of mistakes) is the key and he’ll needs to keep impressing the coaches week after week if he has any chance to stick. Four weeks of camp – none of the “want–to–be’s” have earn their spots yet. BTW – I do like the kid though.

[colkurtz]

One good play does not put you on a squad. Consistency (plus lack of mistakes) is the key and he’ll needs to keep impressing the coaches week after week if he has any chance to stick. Four weeks of camp – none of the “want–to–be’s” have earn their spots yet. BTW – I do like the kid though.

Exactly. PS is the place for the "never-heard-ofs", UDFA to show their stuff and make this NFL squad. Some find it boring but I like some of these stories. Some of these guys will rise to starter level or at least make the ST interesting.

[saratogan]

He played at VA Tech and spent but all of his prior time as WR. His senior year he was moved to DB. He is, according to some
Tech fans a good student of the game and extremely athletic. He has tried to make it in the pro's as a DB.

He made a couple of other hits and pass block, I think, in the last game. I do not remember him making a big mistake in the last game, but I could be wrong. Kind of hard to watch all the young guys trying to make the team when 7 or more on the field at the same time.

He will have to show a lot over the next couple of weeks to earn a PS position. I do not know where the coaches have him on the depth chart????

[ryflan47]

Wasn't able to see a lot of other 3rd string guys do much, but it seemed like Hamilton was all over the place. He should make PS.

[jaylen]

I think he's worth looking at he seems to be finally getting comfortable playing safety. With his athleticism and increased physicality he maybe okay.

[Slobberknocker]

One of the few bright spots vs. the Jets. Needs to wrap up the tackle though instead of going for the big hit. Horton has him beat there.

[shally]

needs another year on the PS for certain

[Dolla Bill]

He showed me enough tonight, how to have a text book tackle and then a text book miss on a sack. That shows inconsistency. No way he makes the team, but I do believe he will land on the PS for sure though. He has a lot of upside.

[shally]

He showed me enough tonight, how to have a text book tackle and then a text book miss on a sack. That shows inconsistency. No way he makes the team, but I do believe he will land on the PS for sure though. He has a lot of upside.

he has great physical attributes, but i think he has little feel for the defense, because he came to defense so late (his senior year at VT).. maybe he develops in time on the PS and maybe he always remains just a physical specimen.
but i agree he is most certainly worth a spot of the PS...and i cannot see any other team offering him a roster spot

[Skins-fo-life]

Headed to the PS for sure. No way he will beat out Moore or Horton.

[shally]

Headed to the PS for sure. No way he will beat out Moore or Horton.
correct.. plus, with springs playing some safety, they will keep an extra corner before they keep an extra safety

[redskin_rich]

Definitely a practice squader.

On another note about the DB hopefuls-- I am officially on the Matteral Richardson to make the team bandwagon and still on the Westbrook's 'lil bro can't play in this league's wagon, as well.

[redskinzluva]

Definitely a practice squader.

On another note about the DB hopefuls-- I am officially on the Matteral Richardson to make the team bandwagon and still on the Westbrook's 'lil bro can't play in this league's wagon, as well.

True indeed. He might be on the pratice squad. But hasn't looked that bad. Moore has looked decent. With some hard hits. But I have seen Hamilton make more impressive tackles and he's always flying to the ball (and a forced fumble - being as it is hard for us to Force a turnover--whether fumble or interception). I am not that impressed by Moore. But maybe I have missed something and the thing that probably puts him above Hamilton is we drafted him and he already has a contract.

Horton has been the most impressive. But I saw some impressive tackles by Hamilton and also 2 or 3 plays tonight - tackling the RB for a loss of yard. I will rewatch the game and look at Moore more (no pun intended).

I know Patrick MCGhee needs to be cut immediately and why is Westbrook still around..He is horrible as a returner..lol

Our 3rd string secondary looked horrendous for the most part.

[tbfoster1]

Definitely a practice squader.

On another note about the DB hopefuls-- I am officially on the Matteral Richardson to make the team bandwagon and still on the Westbrook's 'lil bro can't play in this league's wagon, as well.

Westbrook is a total waste of a roster spot. I'm looking forward to his upcoming cutting.

[Hr fan]

whether he makes the team or doesn't make the team is immaterial to me , seems like over the past few years (Gibbs era) in the pre season the majority here have been quick to point out that it is preseason and once the season starts our offense wouldn't be so vanilla, as it had been in the preseason , also all the off sides and other bad things we did on defense would suddenly go away and things would be better than they were prior to the first game, so what happened when the season started we were no better than the preseason . I think for myself iam looking for anything positive and I see a lot of it here in the Zorn era, I prefer not to look at the hit as being lucky,rather to view it as something positive,where as other players may want to do the same thing ,negatives breed negatives, positives breed positives , as far as I am concerned it was a great play for the team.

Agree. Gibbs wanted no mistakes to the point of fetish, making reliance on vets mandatory. Zorn is letting them play and coaching up their good and bad points. Therefore our rookies an 1st year players are showing more, and plays are the result. Yes, some are bad plays, but isn't that how one learns? Very positive.

[shally]

Westbrook is a total waste of a roster spot. I'm looking forward to his upcoming cutting.

agree. little progress from last year to this year.. might make the PS, but that is it..

[Homer07]

He was one of the few bright spots against the Bretts.

[toolman24266]

Well my biggest thing about him is that when he is the game EVEN though it is just a PRESEASN game you hear his named being called by the annouchers. He is always around the ball at the end of plays and has a great motor on him.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

westbrook is utter garbage. he hasnt done a thing at all this preseason. i doubt he makes the PS this year. as to hamilton, he has become a new fav for me. personally, as far as safety goes, i think fox is out. horton and moore make the 53 and hamilton make the PS.

as to cornerback, i still have not been impressed by tryon. i think there is a chance he doesnt make the team. richardson has been the better #5 cb by far. if we keep 5 cbs and tryon makes the roster i will be amazed. tryon will be lucky to make our PS. if another team signs him, then good for him. he doesnt deserve to be a redskin if Richardson keeps performing.

[toolman24266]

Since Fox was cut what does that Say for the changes For Hamilton?

[colkurtz]

Since Fox was cut what does that Say for the changes For Hamilton?

Still a possibility for PS. PS = work with coaches for another year to see if he can improve.

[redwolf1218]

westbrook is utter garbage. he hasnt done a thing at all this preseason. i doubt he makes the PS this year. as to hamilton, he has become a new fav for me. personally, as far as safety goes, i think fox is out. horton and moore make the 53 and hamilton make the PS.

as to cornerback, i still have not been impressed by tryon. i think there is a chance he doesnt make the team. richardson has been the better #5 cb by far. if we keep 5 cbs and tryon makes the roster i will be amazed. tryon will be lucky to make our PS. if another team signs him, then good for him. he doesnt deserve to be a redskin if Richardson keeps performing.

i like Hamilton and Richardson better so far also. i think they should both make the team, and Doughty should be outty. not sure what to do with Tryon and Westbrook, but i would be happier with the safety group of Landry, Moore, Horton, and Hamilton. i would not keep Doughty based solely on special teams. Hamilton came from Va Tech where Beemer preaches special teams like Gospel, plus he is bigger, taller, and faster than Doughty (more up-side). he should be capable on special teams.

[shally]

i like Hamilton and Richardson better so far also. i think they should both make the team, and Doughty should be outty. not sure what to do with Tryon and Westbrook, but i would be happier with the safety group of Landry, Moore, Horton, and Hamilton. i would not keep Doughty based solely on special teams. Hamilton came from Va Tech where Beemer preaches special teams like Gospel, plus he is bigger, taller, and faster than Doughty (more up-side). he should be capable on special teams.

i dont think that hamilton gets kept outright.. both he and richardson likely make the PS and get called up based on injuries

[Slobberknocker]

I wouldn't be too shocked to see us go 5 safeties and 5 corners.

[shally]

I wouldn't be too shocked to see us go 5 safeties and 5 corners.

could happen.. likely means only 6 linebackers.. DL ? hard to say. 8 or 9 depending upon what they do about wilson and jackson and how long it is projected before Taylor is back

[redwolf1218]

i dont think that hamilton gets kept outright.. both he and richardson likely make the PS and get called up based on injuries

teams seem to be putting a bullseye on Doughty when he's in the game. he seems to be all over the field, involved in a lot of plays, but not in a good way...always getting beat and looking frustrated afterwards.

Hamilton is 6'-3, 217, 4.5 in the 40. Doughty is 6'-0, 210, 4.6 in the 40. i just dont see how Hamilton could do much worse than Doughty.

of course, i dont get to see what the coaches see every day in practice, but unless Doughty does something great, and Hamilton does something terrible, i see no reason for Doughty to make this team, special teams included.

[JsMaViSd]

i dunno when i see Hamilton play he just seems to play smarter than doughty.

And i myself was high on Doughty last year going into Offseason, but he just looks lost out there.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

considering we are likely to keep 6WR and 4RB, it will only leave 24 spots for defensive players. 9DL, 6LB, and 9DB seems most likely to me. i can't see us keeping 5safeties, especially with Springs' ability to play both positions. Right now, I think Hamilton and Doughty are competing for the same position. We drafted doughty and he's going into his third year with us so he has a big edge, regardless of how he has played so far this preseason. Hamilton will have to really do something to get a roster spot.

[redwolf1218]

at Va Tech, Hamilton played wide receiver, tailback, and free safety, with only his senior year at safety.

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/aug/20/hamilton-not-kidding-himself/

He did a little bit of everything with the Hokies. They were thin at wide receiver, so he spent two seasons there. When he expected to become the team's No. 1 wideout his junior year, coaches shifted Hamilton to running back because of tailback Mike Imoh's suspension and Cedric Humes' broken leg.

He didn't have the success he expected at running back, so he talked one of the defensive coaches into letting him play safety as a senior.

“There were some bright spots,” defensive coordinator Greg Blache said. “He's a young guy. His big thing he's got to show us is can he help us on special teams. The big test for him the next two weeks is that can he earn a spot on special teams. If he can, I think he's shown us he can be a capable young backup safety that can develop over time.

[Lavar703]

considering we are likely to keep 6WR and 4RB, it will only leave 24 spots for defensive players. 9DL, 6LB, and 9DB seems most likely to me. i can't see us keeping 5safeties, especially with Springs' ability to play both positions. Right now, I think Hamilton and Doughty are competing for the same position. We drafted doughty and he's going into his third year with us so he has a big edge, regardless of how he has played so far this preseason. Hamilton will have to really do something to get a roster spot.

Doughty isnt really competing, hes falling flat on his face. I dont care who you are, if your playing as poorly as Doughty it doesnt go unnoticed. Hamilton has clearly outplayed him in every facet of the game and Blache will notice that. Doughty is an extremely good guy but he just doesnt have what it takes to be a starter in this league.

[PhilVan]

at Va Tech, Hamilton played wide receiver, tailback, and free safety, with only his senior year at safety.

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/aug/20/hamilton-not-kidding-himself/

He did a little bit of everything with the Hokies. They were thin at wide receiver, so he spent two seasons there. When he expected to become the team's No. 1 wideout his junior year, coaches shifted Hamilton to running back because of tailback Mike Imoh's suspension and Cedric Humes' broken leg.

He didn't have the success he expected at running back, so he talked one of the defensive coaches into letting him play safety as a senior.

“There were some bright spots,” defensive coordinator Greg Blache said. “He's a young guy. His big thing he's got to show us is can he help us on special teams. The big test for him the next two weeks is that can he earn a spot on special teams. If he can, I think he's shown us he can be a capable young backup safety that can develop over time.

2004: Played in all 13 games, rushing 75 times for 336 yards and three touchdowns ... Also caught six passes for 31 yards ... Played 33 snaps against USC, rushing the ball eight times for 33 yards ... Scored his first touchdown of the season against WMU, a 1-yard plunge ... Finished the game with 41 yards on 12 carries ... Rushed 13 times for 64 yards and one TD against Duke ... Rushed for 48 yards and a touchdown in the win over Maryland ... Missed most of the spring with an ankle injury that required surgery ... Set a new position record in both the vertical jump (37 1/2) and power clean (295) ... Had a 340-pound bench, a 470-pound squat and a 304-pound push jerk ...

2003: Played in all 13 games, starting six ... Finished second on the team in receptions with 23 ... Had 282 yards receiving and a touchdown ... Opened the season with four receptions for 55 yards and a touchdown against UCF ... Made the start against Texas A&M, but didn't catch any passes in the rainy weather ... Was in briefly against UConn before sustaining a sprained ankle ... Came back to play against Rutgers, catching three passes for 28 yards ... Had three catches for 28 yards at Virginia ... Posted a personal-best 475-pound back squat on the way to Super Iron Hokie honors during spring max testing ... Contributed a 6-yard touchdown run during the Maroon-White game ...

2002: Saw limited action on offense ... Also played on both the field goal and punt block teams ... Led the team with two punt blocks ... Also caught five passes for 56 yards ... Caught his first collegiate pass against Arkansas State, a 5-yard reception ... Also played 11 snaps on special teams ... Blocked a punt against LSU that resulted in a Tech touchdown ... Missed the Syracuse game with a sprained left ankle ... Blocked his second punt of the year against Virginia, which was picked up and returned for a touchdown ... Earned Super Iron Hokie honors during the off-season ... His 340-pound bench press tied for tops among the receivers ... Added a 450-pound back squat and ran a 4.46 forty ... Worked at flanker and split end during the spring ... Missed some practice time due to an ankle injury ...

2001: Worked at tailback and receiver while redshirting ... Bench pressed 330 pounds and ran a 4.53 forty during spring testing ... Moved to flanker during the early stages of spring practice ... Had four catches for 44 yards in the Maroon-White game ... Won the Paul Torgersen Award as Tech's top offensive newcomer ...

[redwolf1218]

welcome PhilVan and thanks for the info... sounds like a great athlete. it makes me wonder how his college career might have panned out if he had played safety for all 4 years.

[shally]

welcome PhilVan and thanks for the info... sounds like a great athlete. it makes me wonder how his college career might have panned out if he had played safety for all 4 years.


very true.. we will also see if he head for the safety position...

my guess is he needs another year on PS

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Doughty isnt really competing, hes falling flat on his face. I dont care who you are, if your playing as poorly as Doughty it doesnt go unnoticed. Hamilton has clearly outplayed him in every facet of the game and Blache will notice that. Doughty is an extremely good guy but he just doesnt have what it takes to be a starter in this league.

Hamilton has NOT outperformed him in nearly every facet of the game. Doughty has been playing against starters. Hamilton hasnt even been playing against 2nd-stringers. hes been playing against third. theres a reason he got cut by the browns in 2006 and didnt play football last year - he simply isnt any good.

[redwolf1218]

i think this competition (or lack thereof) is shaping up to be the weakness of this defense, rather than it's strength. anyone not named Landry who lines up at safety on our defense is going to have a bullseye on him.

[Lavar703]

Hamilton has NOT outperformed him in nearly every facet of the game. Doughty has been playing against starters. Hamilton hasnt even been playing against 2nd-stringers. hes been playing against third. theres a reason he got cut by the browns in 2006 and didnt play football last year - he simply isnt any good.

Really? because i think he has tackled someone, right there he has outperformed Reed

[redwolf1218]

very true.. we will also see if he head for the safety position...

my guess is he needs another year on PS

i think Doughty has the head for it, just nothing else.

[JsMaViSd]

i think Moore should start, hands down.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Really? because i think he has tackled someone, right there he has outperformed Reed

Sorry, but Reed has almost twice the number of tackles as Hamilton.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i think Moore should start, hands down.

Agreed. Both Landry and Moore can play either safety position, which gives Blache much more flexibility. Doughty can only play SS. Last year after ST died and against carolina Saturday night we saw how horrible doughty is at FS.

[redwolf1218]

Sorry, but Reed has almost twice the number of tackles as Hamilton.

who has the most missed tackles? who has the most blown coverages?

i'm not saying that Hamilton is necessarily the answer, i just think Doughty should be replaced as the starter. if he's going to make those kinds of mistakes anyway, then someone with more upside could do the same and hopefully benefit from the experience, like Doughty seemingly has not been able to.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

who has the most missed tackles? who has the most blown coverages?

i'm not saying that Hamilton is necessarily the answer, i just think Doughty should be replaced as the starter. if he's going to make those kinds of mistakes anyway, then someone with more upside could do the same and hopefully benefit from the experience, like Doughty seemingly has not been able to.

To paraphrase Denny Green, Doughty is what we thought he was - a strong safety. I was at the game and I saw doughtys missed tackles. Most of them came on running plays when Doughty was playing FS. Doughty would cross the field and chase the running back that the linemen, linebackers and SS missed. the FS should not have to make a tackle on a running play. If he breaks through, then yes, he should make the tackle, but he shouldnt be the one that makes the tackle. the runner should be taken down before then. The problem Saturday was that EVERYONE was missing tackles, not just doughty. Doughty has never really had a problem tackling... doughtys problems are that he is too slow to play FS and takes bad angles... which is why we play him at SS. With Landry being out, doughty (being the more experienced safety as opposed to the rookies) has been consistently put in the FS position - which exposes all his weaknesses.

In any case, if we want our most talented defenders on the field, then We want Moore or Springs playing opposite Landry. Doughty is a good starting SS and a good special teams player. If we only keep 4 safeties on the roster, i simply cant see hamilton taking doughty's spot. He hasnt done enough to earn a spot, and doughty hasnt done enough to lose it, not yet anyways. In a year, it may not matter who we keep anyways. If we keep Springs next year, he will most likely move to safety then and whoever is on the roster this year (be it Hamilton or Doughty) probably wont make the roster, as we will pick up a 5th corner to replace springs.

[shally]

To paraphrase Denny Green, Doughty is what we thought he was - a strong safety. I was at the game and I saw doughtys missed tackles. Most of them came on running plays when Doughty was playing FS. Doughty cover the field and chase the running back that the linemen, linebackers missed. I'm sorry, but the FS should not have to make a tackle on a running play. If he breaks through, then yes, he should make the tackle, but he shouldnt be the one that makes the tackle. the runner should be taken down before then. The problem Saturday was that EVERYONE was missing tackles, not just doughty. Doughty has never really had a problem tackling... doughtys problems are that he is too slow to play FS and takes bad angles... which is why we play him at SS. With Landry being out, doughty, being the more experienced safety (as opposed to the rookies) has been consistently put in the FS position - which exposes all his weaknesses.

In any case, if we want our most talented defenders on the field, then We want Moore or Springs playing opposite Landry. Doughty is a good starting SS and a good special teams player. If we only keep 4 safeties on the roster, i simply cant see hamilton taking doughty's spot. He hasnt done enough to earn a spot, and doughty hasnt done enough to lose it, not yet anyways.


agree

[Lavar703]

To paraphrase Denny Green, Doughty is what we thought he was - a strong safety. I was at the game and I saw doughtys missed tackles. Most of them came on running plays when Doughty was playing FS. Doughty would cross the field and chase the running back that the linemen, linebackers and SS missed. the FS should not have to make a tackle on a running play. If he breaks through, then yes, he should make the tackle, but he shouldnt be the one that makes the tackle. the runner should be taken down before then. The problem Saturday was that EVERYONE was missing tackles, not just doughty. Doughty has never really had a problem tackling... doughtys problems are that he is too slow to play FS and takes bad angles... which is why we play him at SS. With Landry being out, doughty (being the more experienced safety as opposed to the rookies) has been consistently put in the FS position - which exposes all his weaknesses.

In any case, if we want our most talented defenders on the field, then We want Moore or Springs playing opposite Landry. Doughty is a good starting SS and a good special teams player. If we only keep 4 safeties on the roster, i simply cant see hamilton taking doughty's spot. He hasnt done enough to earn a spot, and doughty hasnt done enough to lose it, not yet anyways. In a year, it may not matter who we keep anyways. If we keep Springs next year, he will most likely move to safety then and whoever is on the roster this year (be it Hamilton or Doughty) probably wont make the roster, as we will pick up a 5th corner to replace springs.

Good starting safety? not hardly. Was he chasing when he whiffed on Williams at the line of scrimmage? or how about when he was beaten in man to man coverage? oh wait that was someone elses fault.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Good starting safety? not hardly. Was he chasing when he whiffed on Williams at the line of scrimmage? or how about when he was beaten in man to man coverage? oh wait that was someone elses fault.

well i guess we'll find out who's assessment of Doughty and Hamilton is right when we see who makes the final roster - only a few days away

[shally]

well i guess we'll find out who's assessment of Doughty and Hamilton is right when we see who makes the final roster - only a few days away

doughty WILL make the final roster--despite his terrible performance.

the only way i see him cut is if the team add a vet from some other team, like ?? wesley or another upcoming cut...

[toolman24266]

Even though some of you guys disagree glad to see that Hamilton Made the team.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Justin Hamilton is a player, he was a good one in blacksburg, doing anything the coaches asked of him, not selfish at all, started as a RB for a year, then when injuries came at WR, coaches asked if he would move there, he did and was an ok flanker, then his senior year they were short at Safety, they asked and he moved over to D. He played well, and good enough to be drafted.

[csquared]

Even though some of you guys disagree glad to see that Hamilton Made the team.

Good for you! Do you hold it for him while he goes #1 too?

[GoDannyBoy]

Good for you! Do you hold it for him while he goes #1 too?

Where is the football in this post? This type of post should not be tolerated!

[JsMaViSd]

Where is the football in this post? This type of post should not be tolerated!

agreed

[BigHairedAristocrat]

agreed

I know, for a second, i thought I was on extremeskins or something.

[Lavar703]

Where is the football in this post? This type of post should not be tolerated!

Dont worry about it, he adds a bunch of nothing to every thread he posts in, this is expected from him

[redwolf1218]

i for one am glad Hamilton made the team. he seems like an unselfish guy and a good athlete, but "raw" with only one year in college playing safety. i like his size at 6'-3 and 220, with respectable speed in the 4.5 range.

i got 2 wishes, Hamilton and Brooks.

[csquared]

Dont worry about it, he adds a bunch of nothing to every thread he posts in, this is expected from him

:cry:

Get over it.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i for one am glad Hamilton made the team. he seems like an unselfish guy and a good athlete, but "raw" with only one year in college playing safety. i like his size at 6'-3 and 220, with respectable speed in the 4.5 range.

i got 2 wishes, Hamilton and Brooks.

I said it in another thread, but I simply dont "get" why we kept Hamilton. We now have 6 safeties on the roster (if you count springs). Doughty, Hamilton, Moore, and Horton are all variations on the same player - relatively inexperienced below average safeties who can contribute on special teams and can only play safety here because they happen to be paired with Landry.

I can understand keeping 3/4 of these guys but not all 4... especially considering springs can play safety and the needs we have across the rest of our roster.

[csquared]

I said it in another thread, but I simply dont "get" why we kept Hamilton. We now have 6 safeties on the roster (if you count springs). Doughty, Hamilton, Moore, and Horton are all variations on the same player - relatively inexperienced below average safeties who can contribute on special teams and can only play safety here because they happen to be paired with Landry.

I can understand keeping 3/4 of these guys but not all 4... especially considering springs can play safety and the needs we have across the rest of our roster.

Well you cant count Springs as a safety. We have issues at CB as well. Him , Rogers, and or Smoot will be injured at some point this year. So i really dont see Springs being a safety until at the earliest next year.

[bergiemoore]

I said it in another thread, but I simply dont "get" why we kept Hamilton. We now have 6 safeties on the roster (if you count springs). Doughty, Hamilton, Moore, and Horton are all variations on the same player - relatively inexperienced below average safeties who can contribute on special teams and can only play safety here because they happen to be paired with Landry.

I can understand keeping 3/4 of these guys but not all 4... especially considering springs can play safety and the needs we have across the rest of our roster.

I think it's due to injury concerns surrounding both Landry and Moore.

And Springs would only be used in the Safety position in the event of an emergency, so you can't count him here.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I think it's due to injury concerns surrounding both Landry and Moore.

And Springs would only be used in the Safety position in the event of an emergency, so you can't count him here.

Honestly, I disagree. Akh has convinced me that Springs is no longer a starting caliber corner. Smoot and Rogers are our #1 and #2. If we want our best players on the field at all times, that means having Springs on the field as either the #3 corner or strong safety. Granted, that couldnt be the case all the time, but ideally, Landry and whoever we start at SS (Moore or Doughty) will be starters, but if one of them goes down, Springs should be the guy in there to play safety. Personally, I think 9dbs is plenty. However, if we consider springs a "tweener" and were to go with 10 dbs, i think it makes more sense to have 5-1/2 corners and 4-1/2 safeties than the other way around. Corners are more likely to be needed in a rotation than safeties, as they are more likely to get tired.

[csquared]

Honestly, I disagree. Akh has convinced me that Springs is no longer a starting caliber corner. Smoot and Rogers are our #1 and #2. If we want our best players on the field at all times, that means having Springs on the field as either the #3 corner or strong safety. Granted, that couldnt be the case all the time, but ideally, Landry and whoever we start at SS (Moore or Doughty) will be starters, but if one of them goes down, Springs should be the guy in there to play safety. Personally, I think 9dbs is plenty. However, if we consider springs a "tweener" and were to go with 10 dbs, i think it makes more sense to have 5-1/2 corners and 4-1/2 safeties than the other way around. Corners are more likely to be needed in a rotation than safeties, as they are more likely to get tired.

That is IF they are healthy. Smoot has a history of being nicked and bruised. I love the guy but its the way he plays.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

That is IF they are healthy. Smoot has a history of being nicked and bruised. I love the guy but its the way he plays.

Smoot, Springs, and Now Rogers (our top 3 corners) ALL have a history of being nicked and bruised. Its very conceivable that at some point this year not a single one of them will be 100%. Then look at what we have, Torrence and Tryon... If I had my wish I wouldnt see either of them step on the field for anything other than special teams this year.

[silverspring]

Didn't we try the smoot/rogers experiment at the beginning of last year with shawn playing the 3rd cb, and didn't it fail miserably? Weren't we all asking what GW was thinking putting springs on the bench?

Since when have smoot or rogers been even as close to consistently being as good of a cb as springs? Maybe smoot has come close, never rogers. We need our best guys in there at cb and that is springs until proven otherwise. It is a luxury to have him as a backup at safety but i just don't think our current personnel at cb gives us the flexibility to use him in that role unless it is an emergency.

Not too mention can anyone remember a time when either smoot, rogers or springs were together healthy for an extended period of time? Lets face it, they are all injury prone, we are carrying all those safeties because we expect to use them at safety, not springs. We are going to need all of our cornerbacks at cornerback.

If it were me I would start Springs/Smoot with rogers as the 3rd cb, even with other reasons withstanding he is just coming off of a major knee injury, why not give him less reps if we can.

[bergiemoore]

Honestly, I disagree. Akh has convinced me that Springs is no longer a starting caliber corner. Smoot and Rogers are our #1 and #2. If we want our best players on the field at all times, that means having Springs on the field as either the #3 corner or strong safety. Granted, that couldnt be the case all the time, but ideally, Landry and whoever we start at SS (Moore or Doughty) will be starters, but if one of them goes down, Springs should be the guy in there to play safety. Personally, I think 9dbs is plenty. However, if we consider springs a "tweener" and were to go with 10 dbs, i think it makes more sense to have 5-1/2 corners and 4-1/2 safeties than the other way around. Corners are more likely to be needed in a rotation than safeties, as they are more likely to get tired.

I'm just repeating what Zorn said.

I don't think I've seen Akh say that Springs is no longer a starting caliber corner. He has said things like:


Rogers has proven to me that he's recovered from his injury. Smoot is a #2. Springs isn't a #1(and is barely a #2). I'm fine with Rogers, Smoot and Torrance if we have to move Springs to FS.


It may very well be the case that Springs should transition to safety in the very near future, but if he does, he'd be the FS predominately in coverage and not a SS in the mold of Doughty, Moore or Hamilton. I don't see how running into gaps head first to take on a lead blocker or running back would extend anyone's career, or take advantage of Springs skillset.

I expect the defense to play a whole lot out of their nickle formation, with Rogers and Smoot on the ends and Springs covering the slot, not as a SS.

If Landry is out for a significant amount of time during the year, and none of the young pups have the range to play center field, then, and only then, would I expect to see Springs shift to Safety.

[Lavar703]

:cry:

Get over it.

I think i am over it, never cried about anything, just said that i expect nothing less from you

[csquared]

Smoot, Springs, and Now Rogers (our top 3 corners) ALL have a history of being nicked and bruised. Its very conceivable that at some point this year not a single one of them will be 100%. Then look at what we have, Torrence and Tryon... If I had my wish I wouldnt see either of them step on the field for anything other than special teams this year.

I wouldnt say Rogers has a history of being nicked up. he had that knee injury and besides that i dont recall any other injuries. He just isnt a very good CB. Smoot plays physical there for he usually is nicked up. And we all know about Springs. This seems to be one of the greatest needs on the team.

EDIT... I just looked back at that 2005 draft. The other options we had at corner arent really doing that much better. You look at Pac-Man(self explanatory), and Antrell Rolle who is now a safety. I think the only corner to really be on a path to be good solid corner is Marlin Jackson.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Didn't we try the smoot/rogers experiment at the beginning of last year with shawn playing the 3rd cb, and didn't it fail miserably? Weren't we all asking what GW was thinking putting springs on the bench?

Since when have smoot or rogers been even as close to consistently being as good of a cb as springs? Maybe smoot has come close, never rogers. We need our best guys in there at cb and that is springs until proven otherwise. It is a luxury to have him as a backup at safety but i just don't think our current personnel at cb gives us the flexibility to use him in that role unless it is an emergency.

Not too mention can anyone remember a time when either smoot, rogers or springs were together healthy for an extended period of time? Lets face it, they are all injury prone, we are carrying all those safeties because we expect to use them at safety, not springs. We are going to need all of our cornerbacks at cornerback.

If it were me I would start Springs/Smoot with rogers as the 3rd cb, even with other reasons withstanding he is just coming off of a major knee injury, why not give him less reps if we can.

So then you agree with me that we should have put another corner on the roster instead of a safety?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I wouldnt say Rogers has a history of being nicked up. he had that knee injury and besides that i dont recall any other injuries. He just isnt a very good CB. Smoot plays physical there for he usually is nicked up. And we all know about Springs. This seems to be one of the greatest needs on the team.

I agree. Our top priority this offseason needs to be getting a #1 corner to fill the role Springs once had. My #1 choice would be that dude with the crazy last name in Oakland. I believe that Oakland agreed to release him after this year if he signed his franchise tender and played for them in 2008.

After that, If we assume Jason Taylor stays healthy, i think we are fine at DE for another year. However, I am sold on ANY of the new safeties as guys who can start alongside landry. I think we may need a starting-caliber strong safety as well.

And considering Marcus Washington may be entering his last year with the team (contract vs. performance and value) and Rocky will probably blow out his knees again, we will need 2 starting-caliber Linebackers.

Add to that a true starting caliber RT and maybe even a receiver (even if one of Kelly/Thomas work out, I dont see ARE Moss and Thrash all sticking around much longer), and we've got quite a few STARTING vacancies to fill. (and im not even going to discuss our QB situation). Its hard to prioritize all of those needs, but cornerback is definitely #1.

[silverspring]

So then you agree with me that we should have put another corner on the roster instead of a safety?

I do, but I would do it by putting tryon on the practice squad the second we find a serviceable vet we like. I think safety is just as big of a concern right now. Landry hasn't played one preseason game, he could very well reinjure himself on thursday. There are serious doubts as to doughty's ability to hold his spot. If we deem doughty inadequate and then landry's hamstring doesn't get better, then sure we have depth, but they are a bunch of kids with no experience.

I do agree that corner is going to be a pressing need in the future.

I don't agree with you that springs is not a starting caliber cornerback. He certainly had trouble in the seattle game and contributed to the trouble we had in that first dallas game but otherwise i think he had a good season. I think a lot of trouble we had in the backfield can be attributed to GW running prevent schemes that didn't play to our personnel's strength and made them look bad even if they were doing their job well. But if you are right and springs is done, then we are in serious trouble because there is no way smoot and rogers are any better.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I do, but I would do it by putting tryon on the practice squad the second we find a serviceable vet we like. I think safety is just as big of a concern right now. Landry hasn't played one preseason game, he could very well reinjure himself on thursday. There are serious doubts as to doughty's ability to hold his spot. If we deem doughty inadequate and then landry's hamstring doesn't get better, then sure we have depth, but they are a bunch of kids with no experience.

I do agree that corner is going to be a pressing need in the future.

I don't agree with you that springs is not a starting caliber cornerback. He certainly had trouble in the seattle game and contributed to the trouble we had in that first dallas game but otherwise i think he had a good season. I think a lot of trouble we had in the backfield can be attributed to GW running prevent schemes that didn't play to our personnel's strength and made them look bad even if they were doing their job well. But if you are right and springs is done, then we are in serious trouble because there is no way smoot and rogers are any better.

I should clarify that i dont think springs is a #1 cornerback. I think right now he is a true #2, although Akh had him as the third best cb on our team. He seemed to have done a closer examination of his performance in the preseason than I have.

[bergiemoore]

I agree. Our top priority this offseason needs to be getting a #1 corner to fill the role Springs once had. My #1 choice would be that dude with the crazy last name in Oakland. I believe that Oakland agreed to release him after this year if he signed his franchise tender and played for them in 2008.

After that, If we assume Jason Taylor stays healthy, i think we are fine at DE for another year. However, I am sold on ANY of the new safeties as guys who can start alongside landry. I think we may need a starting-caliber strong safety as well.

And considering Marcus Washington may be entering his last year with the team (contract vs. performance and value) and Rocky will probably blow out his knees again, we will need 2 starting-caliber Linebackers.

Add to that a true starting caliber RT and maybe even a receiver (even if one of Kelly/Thomas work out, I dont see ARE Moss and Thrash all sticking around much longer), and we've got quite a few STARTING vacancies to fill. (and im not even going to discuss our QB situation). Its hard to prioritize all of those needs, but cornerback is definitely #1.

That's a whole lot of doom and gloom for a team that has yet to play a regular season down. According to you, there will be starting vacancies at SS, CB, WLB, SLB, RT WR? Really?

I agree that starting caliber CBs are always in high demand, especially with the league rules are they are now. But I'll reserve judgment on the rest of the team until after I see them in action.

[silverspring]

I should clarify that i dont think springs is a #1 cornerback. I think right now he is a true #2, although Akh had him as the third best cb on our team. He seemed to have done a closer examination of his performance in the preseason than I have.

Well as i stated i don't agree, but curious which corner do you think is better than springs, Rogers or Smoot?

Rogers has struggled to string more then a couple consistent games together. Every time he puts two good games together people start claiming he is finally coming into his own. It has been stated so many times it is ridiculous. Then he reverts back to giving stuff up or gets injured. He isn't horrible but is far from a # 1 corner. I would love for this year to be his coming out party, but i will wait until i see it.
I like Smoot, and I think he has good man coverage skills but he doesn't have the top notch speed or size we need at #1. Neither of them have that speed, springs has lost a step but is still faster then both of them.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

That's a whole lot of doom and gloom for a team that has yet to play a regular season down. According to you, there will be starting vacancies at SS, CB, WLB, SLB, RT WR? Really?

I agree that starting caliber CBs are always in high demand, especially with the league rules are they are now. But I'll reserve judgment on the rest of the team until after I see them in action.

Our team had a plethora of needs on the defensive side of the ball going into the draft and we chose to only address the offensive needs.

I viewed those defensive positions as needs BEFORE this years draft. They are still needs now because we addressed them with low 2nd-day picks, which rarely give you starters. One of these guys may surprise us and be a gem, but we shouldnt count on it.

its been pretty much a given for some time now that 2008 would be Washingtons last year, unless he signed a new cap friendly contract.

Rocky has always had injury concerns, so he will be a question mark until he can prove he can make it healthy through atleast two consecutive seasons.

I didnt view RT as being a concern prior to the draft but apparently Jansen is done and most of us agree Heyer isnt a long-term solution there.

As to WR, so far we've got one WR who may end up being really good, but everything he has demonstrated so far indicates he will not adapt to the NFL any quicker than is common for most WRs - the 3rd year. The other WR - well, a couple days ago we were talking about putting him on IR.

Every team in the NFL has needs. I'm not saying we will be a 4-12 team for the next three years. I'm just saying these are positions we should really be concerned about now, and will probably still be concerned about going into the offseason.

[bergiemoore]

Our team had a plethora of needs on the defensive side of the ball going into the draft and we chose to only address the offensive needs.



A Plethora? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6E682C7Jj4)

How about DE and SS? I'm not sure that counts as a plethora.

The need on offense was at least as great.



I viewed those defensive positions as needs BEFORE this years draft. They are still needs now because we addressed them with low 2nd-day picks, which rarely give you starters. One of these guys may surprise us and be a gem, but we shouldnt count on it.



The idea of a 4th round pick on a nickel corner wasn't a bad idea. The team knew they'd get at least one more year out of Springs, and Rogers and Smoot should be able to hold down the fort for at least 2 more years before Smoot gets replaced.

DLine got shafted in the draft, I'll agree, but they did a good job of shoring it up through free agency afterward. I don't believe that Jason Taylor was the anticipated solution, rather the Erasmus James trade looked like the way they wanted to go prior to Daniels and Askew falling apart.

For me, that leaves only SS, on which they used 2 picks. I understand you don't appreciate the quality of the picks, but both of these guys look like they could be quality Strong Safeties in this league. Moore, if healthy, I think pushes Doughty off the roster.



its been pretty much a given for some time now that 2008 would be Washingtons last year, unless he signed a new cap friendly contract.



Humm... If only his FO were adept at manipulating the cap.....



Rocky has always had injury concerns, so he will be a question mark until he can prove he can make it healthy through atleast two consecutive seasons.



I would love to see another WLB in the hole, ready to jump in if/when Rocky goes down to injury. But I'm not ready to call this an immediate draft need, at least not one that requires a day one pick. They found Fincher this year and had Blades from last year. They're hungry young guys who'll be decent off the bench this year.



I didnt view RT as being a concern prior to the draft but apparently Jansen is done and most of us agree Heyer isnt a long-term solution there.



Jansen got outplayed in preseason by Heyer. This kid is going to be a starter in this league for years. This isn't so much a knock on Jansen as it is a pat on the back to Heyer.


As to WR, so far we've got one WR who may end up being really good, but everything he has demonstrated so far indicates he will not adapt to the NFL any quicker than is common for most WRs - the 3rd year. The other WR - well, a couple days ago we were talking about putting him on IR.


It's definitely way too soon to pass judgment on the receivers. It's part of a long term game-plan. Hopefully, one or both will become contributors by the end of the season.


Every team in the NFL has needs. I'm not saying we will be a 4-12 team for the next three years. I'm just saying these are positions we should really be concerned about now, and will probably still be concerned about going into the offseason.

I hear you. The Skins, like the other 31 teams, have holes that need filling, or covering up. The Giants secondary looked like shredded wheat. The Pats LB corps had an average age of 34. No team is perfect.

What the Skins are doing that I'm excited about is getting the young guys opportunities. Heyer would never supplant Jansen on the depth chart if Gibbs were still here. They would probably have retained McCardell and Caldwell and cut the rookies. Wade would be slated as the first Tackle off the bench, and Omar Stoutmire would still be employed.

I think they're moving in the right direction about as fast as can be expected. This isn't an Atlanta style slash-and-burn rebuilding effort, nor a Gibbsean "Win Now" team. It's moving toward something in the middle.

[redwolf1218]

as far as the receivers and cornerbacks and safeties are concerned, let's wait and see what happens after the first couple of games.

[redskin_rich]

Shawn Springs is hurt... again. He is a game time decision. Probably play nickel at best.

What was it someone was saying about him possibly occupying two positions?
When has he occupied one for an entire season?

(crickets)

[redwolf1218]

Shawn Springs is hurt... again. He is a game time decision. Probably play nickel at best.

What was it someone was saying about him possibly occupying two positions?
When has he occupied one for an entire season?

(crickets)

no one in the nfl is a #1 corner, including springs, or bailey, or that guy from Va Tech, or that guy the Eagles signed from the Pats, or that guy from the Bills, that's my point, i dont even know their names anymore.

we have a bunch of nickels, like everyone else, but i'm glad we got Hamilton as a backup at safety (to stay on topic, barely).

[redskin_rich]

no one in the nfl is a #1 corner, including springs, or bailey, or that guy from Va Tech, or that guy the Eagles signed from the Pats, or that guy from the Bills, that's my point, i dont even know their names anymore.

Your point wasn't what I was referring to. Someone said something to the effect hat keeping ten DB's was foolish, since Springs could play both positions. My point is that he can't be counted on to play his natural position, for 16 games. Compound that with the injury woes of Smoot, Carlos and now Landry, who didn't play a down in over a month of pre-season. Well, it isn't so mind-boggling why we had to keep 10 DB's on the roster, as well as a couple more on the PS.

[redwolf1218]

Your point wasn't what I was referring to. Someone said something to the effect hat keeping ten DB's was foolish, since Springs could play both positions. My point is that he can't be counted on to play his natural position, for 16 games. Compound that with the injury woes of Smoot, Carlos and now Landry, who didn't play a down in over a month of pre-season. Well, it isn't so mind-boggling why we had to keep 10 DB's on the roster, as well as a couple more on the PS.

i was agreeing. i'm glad Justin Hamilton made the team.

i think we have a bunch of #2 and/or nickel corners, and they will all probably have to start at some point during the season, since none of them can stay healthy.

from the Washington Post this morning:

"Shawn, he's a little cocky, but most cornerbacks are," linebacker Marcus Washington said, smiling. "That's a pretty good quality to have. And he's a competitor. He comes out and he's going to compete. When you go out and line up against [him], you better bring your hard hat and your lunch pail."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090202750.html

[Moe]

I should clarify that i dont think springs is a #1 cornerback. I think right now he is a true #2, although Akh had him as the third best cb on our team. He seemed to have done a closer examination of his performance in the preseason than I have.

The #1 and #2 designation for CB in this D is irrelevant, outside of it meaning you are a starter. The top two DB's in this system, more often than not, are playing a side not a man matchup. The #3 CB designation has more meaning, but that's pretty much Smoot's to lose (or be elevated from in the event of injury).

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Shawn Springs is hurt... again. He is a game time decision. Probably play nickel at best.

What was it someone was saying about him possibly occupying two positions?
When has he occupied one for an entire season?

(crickets)

I thought I replied to this last night, but I guess not. I was up late with my fantasy draft so who knows how many delusions I was having.

My point wasnt so much that we shouldnt have 10 DBs as it was if we did have 10, the extra guy should be a corner, because of how thin we are at that more important position. If we consider Springs something of a nickle corner/tweener, then right now we've got 4-1/2 corners and 5-1/2 safeties. I definitely think corner is the weaker position, if only for health/injury concerns. 5 "true" safeties seems like overkill to me, especially considering the health issues of our top 3 corners, the fact that our 4th corner torrence isnt all that good, and our 5th corner Tryon is down right horrible. Its a very weak position if even one of our top 3 gets hurt. I think having an extra guy there would really be helpful.

[redwolf1218]

I thought I replied to this last night, but I guess not. I was up late with my fantasy draft so who knows how many delusions I was having.

My point wasnt so much that we shouldnt have 10 DBs as it was if we did have 10, the extra guy should be a corner, because of how thin we are at that more important position. If we consider Springs something of a nickle corner/tweener, then right now we've got 4-1/2 corners and 5-1/2 safeties. I definitely think corner is the weaker position, if only for health/injury concerns. 5 "true" safeties seems like overkill to me, especially considering the health issues of our top 3 corners, the fact that our 4th corner torrence isnt all that good, and our 5th corner Tryon is down right horrible. Its a very weak position if even one of our top 3 gets hurt. I think having an extra guy there would really be helpful.

i guess they felt like they did not have that guy in camp, other than Richardson and Westbrook, and that's probably why those guys made the practice squad. maybe Hamilton was better than either of them on special teams?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i guess they felt like they did not have that guy in camp, other than Richardson and Westbrook, and that's probably why those guys made the practice squad. maybe Hamilton was better than either of them on special teams?

I definitely think that was their logic. The 6th corner would probably be inactive on gamedays, just like the 5th safety will be, so its really probably a moot point. It could have come down to Hamilton not being PS eligible while Richardson was.

I do wish we had gone after Ricky Manning Jr though. I know he's had some serious issues in the past, but he would have been a significant upgrade over Torrence and Tryon.

[redwolf1218]

I definitely think that was their logic. The 6th corner would probably be inactive on gamedays, just like the 5th safety will be, so its really probably a moot point. It could have come down to Hamilton not being PS eligible while Richardson was.

I do wish we had gone after Ricky Manning Jr though. I know he's had some serious issues in the past, but he would have been a significant upgrade over Torrence and Tryon.

i think (and hope) that Torrence is a shade better than those other guys. i feel like Tryon, Westbrook, and Richardson are interchangeable.

also, looking at the roster, all of the DB's are 6'-0 or less, and Hamilton is 6'-3, for whatever that's worth. he is also supposedly faster than Doughty.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i think (and hope) that Torrence is a shade better than those other guys. i feel like Tryon, Westbrook, and Richardson are interchangeable.

also, looking at the roster, all of the DB's are 6'-0 or less, and Hamilton is 6'-3, for whatever that's worth. he is also supposedly faster than Doughty.

Good point. I beleive Richardson is 6'0. I personally preferred him over Tryon as the 5th CB, but I don't want either of them to see the field on defense this year, so it doesnt really matter.

I don't think Westbrook will ever see an active roster. I know its only his 2nd year, but if his brother werent such a stud for the eagles, he'd be flipping burgers right now.

As far as Doughty goes, I think if he wasnt undersized, late round pick with a hearing problem and a son with a serious illness, we might not care if he were on the roster or not. It occurred to me that he's a great inspirational story, and thats why some of us love him so much. He's our very own "Rudy."

Interestingly, Cooley mentioned on his blog that Doughty is the only white player on our defense. http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/ I'm not trying to start controversy, but I am wondering if coaches are "encouraged" by the NFL to have an ethnically diverse roster. Diversity is huge in the business world today and the NFL does have the Rooney Rule. It seemed kind of odd for Cooley to mention that in his blog and it got me thinking why he made a point to mention it.

[csquared]

no one in the nfl is a #1 corner, including springs, or bailey, or that guy from Va Tech, or that guy the Eagles signed from the Pats, or that guy from the Bills, that's my point, i dont even know their names anymore.

we have a bunch of nickels, like everyone else, but i'm glad we got Hamilton as a backup at safety (to stay on topic, barely).

Keep kidding yourself. Thats a ridiculous statement to make that " No one in the NFL is a #1. i could reel off 10-15 names of corners that are true #1's.

[redwolf1218]

Keep kidding yourself. Thats a ridiculous statement to make that " No one in the NFL is a #1. i could reel off 10-15 names of corners that are true #1's.

i dont think it's ridiculous at all, but i believe it's partially driven by the rules. no one is a true shut-down corner (that's what i mean by a true #1). maybe now that they can force them out of bounds, it might help them a little.

[redwolf1218]

Good point. I beleive Richardson is 6'0. I personally preferred him over Tryon as the 5th CB, but I don't want either of them to see the field on defense this year, so it doesnt really matter.

I don't think Westbrook will ever see an active roster. I know its only his 2nd year, but if his brother werent such a stud for the eagles, he'd be flipping burgers right now.

As far as Doughty goes, I think if he wasnt undersized, late round pick with a hearing problem and a son with a serious illness, we might not care if he were on the roster or not. It occurred to me that he's a great inspirational story, and thats why some of us love him so much. He's our very own "Rudy."

Interestingly, Cooley mentioned on his blog that Doughty is the only white player on our defense. http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/ I'm not trying to start controversy, but I am wondering if coaches are "encouraged" by the NFL to have an ethnically diverse roster. Diversity is huge in the business world today and the NFL does have the Rooney Rule. It seemed kind of odd for Cooley to mention that in his blog and it got me thinking why he made a point to mention it.

i think you are right about Doughty, to a certain extent. he has that feel-good story going for him, the under dog you love to root for. everybody seems to love the guy. too bad you can't coach speed though.

[firehawk157]

Good point. I beleive Richardson is 6'0. I personally preferred him over Tryon as the 5th CB, but I don't want either of them to see the field on defense this year, so it doesnt really matter.

I don't think Westbrook will ever see an active roster. I know its only his 2nd year, but if his brother werent such a stud for the eagles, he'd be flipping burgers right now.

As far as Doughty goes, I think if he wasnt undersized, late round pick with a hearing problem and a son with a serious illness, we might not care if he were on the roster or not. It occurred to me that he's a great inspirational story, and thats why some of us love him so much. He's our very own "Rudy."

Interestingly, Cooley mentioned on his blog that Doughty is the only white player on our defense. http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/ I'm not trying to start controversy, but I am wondering if coaches are "encouraged" by the NFL to have an ethnically diverse roster. Diversity is huge in the business world today and the NFL does have the Rooney Rule. It seemed kind of odd for Cooley to mention that in his blog and it got me thinking why he made a point to mention it.
I'm not too worried about it, there are plenty of guys who are white we'd grab in a second if given the chance. Urlacher comes immediately to mind, as does Patrick Kearney. If Boschetti played like he did BEFORE this preseason, he'd probably have been on the active roster too and got plenty of playing time to prove he's not expendable. Dallas Clark could have made it if he didn't suck as well. Not so much an ethnic diversity problem as a bizarre coincidence.

[bergiemoore]

Good point. I beleive Richardson is 6'0. I personally preferred him over Tryon as the 5th CB, but I don't want either of them to see the field on defense this year, so it doesnt really matter.


The choice between Tryon and Richardson is a tallest pygmy contest, if there ever was one. I think Tryon has more of a chance at playing the nickel in upcoming years, as his speed allows him greater range. I believe if he learns to locate the ball, he'll be able to disrupt plays, instead of just making the tackle after the catch. Richardson would be a fantastic find if he could develop into a true dime-back. I agree with you that neither of them should see the field anytime this season.


I don't think Westbrook will ever see an active roster. I know its only his 2nd year, but if his brother werent such a stud for the eagles, he'd be flipping burgers right now.


Would you like fries with that completion?


As far as Doughty goes, I think if he wasnt undersized, late round pick with a hearing problem and a son with a serious illness, we might not care if he were on the roster or not. It occurred to me that he's a great inspirational story, and thats why some of us love him so much. He's our very own "Rudy."

Interestingly, Cooley mentioned on his blog that Doughty is the only white player on our defense. http://chriscooley47.blogspot.com/ I'm not trying to start controversy, but I am wondering if coaches are "encouraged" by the NFL to have an ethnically diverse roster. Diversity is huge in the business world today and the NFL does have the Rooney Rule. It seemed kind of odd for Cooley to mention that in his blog and it got me thinking why he made a point to mention it.

Doughty is good some situations, but I hated seeing him as the starter at FS during PS. He's best suited for run support, and can cover lower tiered TEs, but elite TEs make him look absolutely stupid. This is an area that I think the team needs to upgrade or cover up. I'm hoping that Moore is able to show something sometime soon, otherwise, Blache is going to have to use those 1 safety/3 CB sets they were talking about on Redskins.com as their base package.

As for the racial argument, even if that were the case, which a doubt, there's no way they'd make him a starter just for being white. The professional sports world is performance driven. It may be something that Cooley noticed primarily because he grew up in a place where the ethnic demographic is reversed (It's around 1% African-American in Utah).

[BigHairedAristocrat]

The choice between Tryon and Richardson is a tallest pygmy contest, if there ever was one. I think Tryon has more of a chance at playing the nickel in upcoming years, as his speed allows him greater range. I believe if he learns to locate the ball, he'll be able to disrupt plays, instead of just making the tackle after the catch. Richardson would be a fantastic find if he could develop into a true dime-back. I agree with you that neither of them should see the field anytime this season.

We definitely exposed all his flaws in the Jacksonville game. I was actually somewhat impressed that he didnt allow any YAC, but Tryon was covering guys he would never have to cover in the NFL. He seemed pretty cocky when he was drafted. I love confidence, but I think its good he got humbled a bit.

Would you like fries with that completion?[quote]

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[QUOTE]Doughty is good some situations, but I hated seeing him as the starter at FS during PS. He's best suited for run support, and can cover lower tiered TEs, but elite TEs make him look absolutely stupid. This is an area that I think the team needs to upgrade or cover up. I'm hoping that Moore is able to show something sometime soon, otherwise, Blache is going to have to use those 1 safety/3 CB sets they were talking about on Redskins.com as their base package.

I honestly doubt he starts against the giants. The Giants new TE (i forget his name) is no Shockey, but he's still pretty good. Id rather see moore or Horton on him.

As for the racial argument, even if that were the case, which a doubt, there's no way they'd make him a starter just for being white. The professional sports world is performance driven. It may be something that Cooley noticed primarily because he grew up in a place where the ethnic demographic is reversed (It's around 1% African-American in Utah).


Could be. I dont think Doughty would start because of his race alone, but I can see the desire to atleast have one white guy on the defensive roster to avoid any allegations of racism, assuming that guy had a comparable skillset. Unfortunately, we're in an awkward place right now where we'd like to assume racism and descrimination dont exist, but in a very politically correct society, some organizations seem to be a bit overzealous to make things look a certain way.

In the end, I didnt think Doughty did enough to lose his job, but given that we kept Hamilton, 5 safeties of similar skills seems a bit like overkill.