What Longshot Do You Want to Make the Roster?

[hogs86]

Ok this is all 'Tung-in-cheek'. But where have you gone Ade Jimoh. A few years ago this is who i wanted to make the team. Mostly do to sarcasm. So who do you want to make the redskins roster this season?? (Who is your Jesse Lumsden pick ??)

The New England Patriots signed veteran cornerback Ade Jimoh on Wednesday to bolster a position that has been depleted by injuries and free agent losses.

Impacts: Jimoh played four seasons with the Washington Redskins after being signed in 2003 as a rookie free agent. He signed with the Chicago Bears in 2007, but was placed on the injured reserve list in November with a broken collarbone. Cornerbacks Ellis Hobbs, Jason Webster, Mike Richardson and Jonathan Wilhite all sat out the Patriots' first preseason game last week. The team lost Pro Bowler Asante Samuel and Randall Gay to free agency.

[skinfan43]

I'll go outside the Mason box and say Durant Brooks. That crap punt by Frost last week that almost got returned to the house is all I can freakin take anymore...:banghead:

[HAWGZHEAD]

I'll go outside the Mason box and say Durant Brooks. That crap punt by Frost last week that almost got returned to the house is all I can freakin take anymore...:banghead:
He better be a lock, one more year of Frost and I will need anti-depressants. I like the McMullen kid although the knock is his ability to make catches, sort of important at WR. I'll need to see him some more but I liked what I saw of him against Buffalo.

Oh and this is an attempt to go beyond the obvious choice of Mason as well.

[greatest2]

obviously i think they need to find a spot somewhere for mason. he is a great kid and player. i think brooks is a lock because, well simply he can't be worse then frost so might as well keep the draft pick punter.

so outside that i am going with McMullen (sp?). First i wanted Westbrook, but after watching i don't think he has gotten any better then last year, and he doesn't really add anything to special teams.

Mix can't create seperation, but has solid hands and size. But this McMullen kid has got size, some seperation and knows the system very well. He has just been in the right spots, nothing flashy or spectacular, just solid. If the locks are Moss/el/kelly/thomas, and thrash is a almost certain lock, i don't know if they can keep 6 WR while keeping a 4th rb. So i don't think he makes the cut, but i would like to see it cause you know we are goin to get 1 or 2 injuries at WR that cost them a game or 2. MAybe we can scrap by with him on PS?

[Slobberknocker]

Bear in mind that Zorn had nothing but praise for Frosty in all the post-game interviews. I'm chalking that up to having not seen the film yet.

That last punt was horror-endus. I kept screaming, Mr. Brooks to the field, STAT~!

[Slobberknocker]

Ok this is all 'Tung-in-cheek'. But where have you gone Ade Jimoh. A few years ago this is who i wanted to make the team. Mostly do to sarcasm.

New England, apparently. :thinker:

[greatest2]

obviously i them to find a spot somewhere for mason. he is a great kid and player. i think brooks is a look because, well simply he can't be worse then frost so might as well keep the draft pick punter.

so outside that i am going with McMullen (sp?). First i wanted Westbrook, but after watching i don't think he has gotten any better then last year, and he doesn't really add anything to special teams.

Mix can't create seperation, but has solid hands and size. But this McMullen kid has got size, some seperation and knows the system very well. He has just been in the right spots, nothing flashy or spectacular, just solid. If the locks are Moss/el/kelly/thomas, and thrash is a almost certain lock, i don't know if they can keep 6 WR while keeping a 4th rb. So i don't think he makes the cut, but i would like to see it cause you know we are goin to get 1 or 2 injuries at WR that cost them a game or 2. MAybe we can scrap by with him on PS?

[HAWGZHEAD]

Bear in mind that Zorn had nothing but praise for Frosty in all the post-game interviews. I'm chalking that up to having not seen the film yet.

That last punt was horror-endus. I kept screaming, Mr. Brooks to the field, STAT~!He had 3 totally achievable opportunities to put the ball inside the 10 in that game and failed each time. I don't know what Zorn saw that I missed.

[Slobberknocker]

The one thing that could save Frosty's Snowman is his ability to hold. Swishy hit the 46 yarder with him holding and shanked the gimme with Brooks. I read in camp notes somewhere that the comfort level with Brooks on FGs isn't there yet.

I'm just sayin'...

[HAWGZHEAD]

The one thing that could save Frosty's Snowman is his ability to hold. Swishy hit the 46 yarder with him holding and shanked the gimme with Brooks. I read in camp notes somewhere that the comfort level with Brooks on FGs isn't there yet.

I'm just sayin'...They should go ahead and dump Frost and have Swish working with Brooks primarily. I wouldn't think that teaching a hold would be that hard.

[Slobberknocker]

It's not the hold that's hard. It's developing the rhythm and timing with the snapper and kicker that takes time.

[shally]

They should go ahead and dump Frost and have Swish working with Brooks primarily. I wouldn't think that teaching a hold would be that hard.

uhhhhhh ???

maybe not.. ask any kicker about his holder and they will tell you it is absolutely critical. if brooks is making suishy squishy, then maybe we look to see if someone else (like collins ? or ARE ? or someone else can do it) ??

incidentally, one of the things that made Sonny incredible was how good a holder he was. that was back in the day when starting qb's would stlll hold for PAT's and FG's

[smoak]

They should go ahead and dump Frost and have Swish working with Brooks primarily. I wouldn't think that teaching a hold would be that hard.

Or let Swishy hold... Oh wait?

Yeah, its good that P is one of our best camp battles.

[Slobberknocker]

Theisman held too, back in the (ahem) day.

[shally]

It's not the hold that's hard. It's developing the rhythm and timing with the snapper and kicker that takes time.

some of it IS the hold.. it has to be exactly at the right spot, at exactly the right time, with the right lean, and with the laces pointing exactly forward.. the longer the FG, the more critical these tiny little things become. from 50 yards away it doesnt take much to make a FG drift

[Slobberknocker]

maybe not.. ask any kicker about his holder and they will tell you it is absolutely critical. if brooks is making suishy squishy, then maybe we look to see if someone else (like collins ? or ARE ? or someone else can do it) ?

I coulda swore there was something fishy with the hold in the HOF game. It seemed like Swishy and Brooks were lined up wrong even before the kick. Then again, it could have been my reception...

[shally]

Theisman held too, back in the (ahem) day.

yeh.. joe T was terrific at it also.

interestingly enough, the pendulum seems to be swinging away from QB's towards punters it seems as holders these days..
i wonder what it is that has spurred it ? you would think that (aside from R-Homo) you want a player who can turn a busted play into a conversion or completion, and how many punters have that capacity ??

[Slobberknocker]

Whoever changed the title of this thread -- good move!

I'm hoping Alfred Fincher plays hard and makes it somehow. Well, you did say longshot...

[shally]

I coulda swore there was something fishy with the hold in the HOF game. It seemed like Swishy and Brooks were lined up wrong even before the kick. Then again, it could have been my reception...

swishy squishy about the fishy hold ?

dunno, but this has the makings of some kind of limmerick...

[Slobberknocker]

how many punters have that capacity ??

I dunno, but Frosty sure can tackle.

[shally]

Whoever changed the title of this thread -- good move!

I'm hoping Alfred Fincher plays hard and makes it somehow. Well, you did say longshot...

fincher has been a load but how about this one..

the WaPo had a short note today that said that kareem moore was starting for
landry this weekend.. how is that for a vote of confidence for a rookie 6th rounder
who just had surgery ?

they really think highly of him.. i wanna see moore and horton bruising and abusing everything coming through the secondary

[shally]

I dunno, but Frosty sure can tackle.

sad, but it is a necessity in his case.. as i recall, the Turk could as well.. and when reggie roby punted NOBODY wanted a piece of him...

[jaylen]

well looks like no one has to worry about the Pats because Ade Jimoh in swahili means smoked by wr.

[hail2skins]

ok, the title of this thread was changed which messes up my post in the NFL forum. Darn you Smoak. :D

[shally]

ok, the title of this thread was changed which messes up my post in the NFL forum. Darn you Smoak. :D

so who's your longshot, Sir ???

[Slobberknocker]

the WaPo had a short note today that said that kareem moore was starting for landry this weekend..

In all fairness, Horton is not a free safety. God, the way he hits, though, I'm hoping he and LL team up somehow, someway.

Then again, I keep hearing we don't distinguish between free and strong in our system. Hmm...

[hail2skins]

so who's your longshot, Sir ???In all honesty, I don't even know. There are a lot of guys there that I like and ones that are making it difficult for the Skins. Give me another game.

[shally]

In all honesty, I don't even know. There are a lot of guys there that I like and ones that are making it difficult for the Skins. Give me another game.

just say it is lumsden and Dustin will pop out of nowhere..lol

even mason might do it for him...

[shally]

In all fairness, Horton is not a free safety. God, the way he hits, though, I'm hoping he and LL team up somehow, someway.

Then again, I keep hearing we don't distinguish between free and strong in our system. Hmm...
still, my point was that they by passed guys like fox and doughty (i know he is a SS mostly) to start moore-- which i find simply amazing given how little time he has actually had to practice-- and i think you can readily see why they let schweigert go in that start by moore..

[LATrueRedskin]

For me, right now it may well be Justin Tryon. I don't think his spot on the roster is guaranteed at all, and I think, if he were to step up these next 3 preseason games, he could really help out during the regular season. Our corners seem to be injury prone, so we need all the capable corners we can get.

[Slobberknocker]

still, my point was that they by passed guys like fox and doughty (i know he is a SS mostly) to start moore-- which i find simply amazing given how little time he has actually had to practice

Well, but not given the fact that Doughty and Fox can't cover. And Moore reportedly had a terrific interception in camp the other day.

[shally]

For me, right now it may well be Justin Tryon. I don't think his spot on the roster is guaranteed at all, and I think, if he were to step up these next 3 preseason games, he could really help out during the regular season. Our corners seem to be injury prone, so we need all the capable corners we can get.

right now i think he is being outplayed by richardson-- at least in games... i would love to see richardson claim a spot..

[shally]

Well, but not given the fact that Doughty and Fox can't cover. And Moore reportedly had a terrific interception in camp the other day.


i think the coaches believe he has rare athleticism and can be special in time..
that is a terrific vote of confidence he is being given

[Slobberknocker]

right now i think he is being outplayed by richardson-- at least in games... i would love to see richardson claim a spot..

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing that. I'm guessing though that Tryon is more athletic, just needs to learn technique. Right now, he's getting roasted over hot coals.

[shally]

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing that. I'm guessing though that Tryon is more athletic, just needs to learn technique. Right now, he's getting roasted over hot coals.

it wasnt that he jumped the route for that last minute pick, it was that he(richardson) just seems both natural and physical in coverage.. i dont think he has stopwatch speed, but i want to see him go up against some better receivers to see if he can stay with them..

tryon just reminds me of a very poor man's al harris..

[LATrueRedskin]

I'm glad I'm not the only one seeing that. I'm guessing though that Tryon is more athletic, just needs to learn technique. Right now, he's getting roasted over hot coals.

That's why I'm leaning towards Tryon. I agree with you and shally that Richardson is clearly outplaying him, but I think Richardson's ability may be limited, and he's stretching it right now. I think Tryon is quicker and has more of an upside, but he's lacking technique and he's having trouble getting acclimated to the speed of the NFL. We'll see how it plays out during these next 3 games, but Tryon better figure it out quick, or he would have been running his mouth for no reason.

[shally]

That's why I'm leaning towards Tryon. I agree with you and shally that Richardson is clearly outplaying him, but I think Richardson's ability may be limited, and he's stretching it right now. I think Tryon is quicker and has more of an upside, but he's lacking technique and he's having trouble getting acclimated to the speed of the NFL. We'll see how it plays out during these next 3 games, but Tryon better figure it out quick, or he would have been running his mouth for no reason.

it wouldnt bother me as much that he is getting roasted as a corner, if he looked the part of a dangerous return man.. he has showed nothing in that capacity as well.. and that is simply individual skills

[hogs86]

OMG I forgot to pick. I am going with the SEXY PICK Colt Brennan.:) Just kidding Billy McMullen.

[colkurtz]

Horton is my pick if he can get healthy. He looked good the first game and played with fire.

Richardson over Tyron if the FO can admit they made a draft mistake.

[shally]

Horton is my pick if he can get healthy. He looked good the first game and played with fire.

Richardson over Tyron if the FO can admit they made a draft mistake.

if we have horton, brooks, moore, davis, brennan, thomas, kelly, jackson and rinehart ALL make the team, i think they would feel okay about tryon making the PS....
that is a heckuva average..

[MPCSkins]

I just want to see Brooks make the team. I hope we didn't draft a punter just so he could give Frost some competition. His boot better show Zorn something.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I sure hope that Jason Taylor guy makes the team. He looks kinda thin for a DE and I wonder about his ability to stop the run, but he shows alot of promise coming off the edge.

:D

[redskin_rich]

fincher has been a load but how about this one..

the WaPo had a short note today that said that kareem moore was starting for
landry this weekend.. how is that for a vote of confidence for a rookie 6th rounder
who just had surgery ?

they really think highly of him.. i wanna see moore and horton bruising and abusing everything coming through the secondary
I think they are running out of options. Springs started there last week and now he is dinged, as usual. Landry seems to be more injured than what was let on. From what I have read, Fox and Moore have alternated each day in practice as starters. We already know that Fox is a 4th stringer at best.


My longshot pick... Justin Hamilton.

[greatest2]

i think the coaches believe he has rare athleticism and can be special in time..
that is a terrific vote of confidence he is being given

i am not disagreeing with you, and i have heard the same thing. But here is my question, usually great athletes don't go fall as low as he did even if he had a minor injury. I woulda thought a team could pick him up.

I am not saying he isn't athletic, nor that i don't think he can develop into a starter at some point. I am just curbing my enthusiasm to him, and hoping he becomes a average starter or good back-up, and not jumping on the "i expect more to be a pro bowler"

[bergiemoore]

Crummey is my pick for longshot.

I'm figuring that the Skins keep 9 OLinemen. Starting from right to left are Jansen, Thomas, Rabach, Kendal and Samuels. The backups are Fabini (T/G), Rinehart(T/G), Heyer(T) and, my longshot, Crummey(G). The only other lineman that has a shot would be Geisinger. I think that he gets practice squaded.

Richardson hasn't shown me anything in the 1st half of a game, so I don't buy that he makes it over Tryon at this point. Hopefully, he gets some time in this next preseason to play ahead of Tryon. I think it's important to remember that Tryon and Richardson are competing for the number 5 CB on the team. They both are eligible for the practice squad for this year, so either way, it's no big deal. I don't see any other teams trying to pilfer either one of these guys.

[shally]

Crummey is my pick for longshot.

I'm figuring that the Skins keep 9 OLinemen. Starting from right to left are Jansen, Thomas, Rabach, Kendal and Samuels. The backups are Fabini (T/G), Rinehart(T/G), Heyer(T) and, my longshot, Crummey(G). The only other lineman that has a shot would be Geisinger. I think that he gets practice squaded.

Richardson hasn't shown me anything in the 1st half of a game, so I don't buy that he makes it over Tryon at this point. Hopefully, he gets some time in this next preseason to play ahead of Tryon. I think it's important to remember that Tryon and Richardson are competing for the number 5 CB on the team. They both are eligible for the practice squad for this year, so either way, it's no big deal. I don't see any other teams trying to pilfer either one of these guys.

i think that either geisinger OR crummey makes the roster-- as backup center. forget about jansen doing and even though they say kendall could, i dont think so..
the loser gets offered a PS spot for certain, but could end up getting a roster spot somewhere else (like ndukwe did a couple of years ago)
we are going to have young depth for the o line.. i think that wade, fabini and kendall will all be eased out by next season.. some this year

[oldskinfan]

I am going to say Anthony Mix.
Running 4 wide sets a lot will have Zorn keeping 6 WR's.
Aside from the locks - Moss, ARE, Thomas, Thrash and Kelley, I think the best remaining special teamer is Anthony Mix.
Plus, he was brought here by JC's recommendation, and I think Zorn will do everything to let JC know he's "the man".

McMullen is a sentimental favorite (VA boy) - but I am betting the skins think they can keep him on the rolodex if one of the WRs gets hurt.

[bergiemoore]

i think that either geisinger OR crummey makes the roster-- as backup center. forget about jansen doing and even though they say kendall could, i dont think so..
the loser gets offered a PS spot for certain, but could end up getting a roster spot somewhere else (like ndukwe did a couple of years ago)
we are going to have young depth for the o line.. i think that wade, fabini and kendall will all be eased out by next season.. some this year

I'd be willing to put money on Wade making his grand exit this year. He's not versatile and couldn't hold off Heyer when he was healthy, which hasn't been that often. Fabini, on the other hand, looks like he's improved at the Guard position, and is a viable option at Tackle should they need him.

Crummey and Geisinger both spent time at Center in TC, although Geisinger has been working with the 2nd team in preseason.

Crummey has a hell of a mean streak, and impressed early in training camp.

Again, it's good that the Skins have this kind of problem, as opposed to last year when they were trying to fit overpaid cast-off Tackles into the LG position.

[bergiemoore]

I am going to say Anthony Mix.
Running 4 wide sets a lot will have Zorn keeping 6 WR's.
Aside from the locks - Moss, ARE, Thomas, Thrash and Kelley, I think the best remaining special teamer is Anthony Mix.
Plus, he was brought here by JC's recommendation, and I think Zorn will do everything to let JC know he's "the man".

McMullen is a sentimental favorite (VA boy) - but I am betting the skins think they can keep him on the rolodex if one of the WRs gets hurt.

I think it's obvious from the preseason games that McMullen has fully grasped this offense, and is developing a rapport with Campbell, as exampled by his 6 grabs for 55 yards on Saturday.

Mix's injury and missed time could prove crucial to the decision. Your comment about the Skins rolodex applys to him as well.

[Death_Venom]

I think it would be difficult to select just one-so I am offering up TWO choices:
McMullen-Who I think just might have rounded the corner of mediocrity to being a decent WR.
Mason-He appears to be a diamond in the rough-and potentially a steal......

Only more pre-season time will tell......

[silverspring]

Several weeks ago I would have said Kerry Brown, luckily he is nicely stashed away. I like Mix, I like crummey, i have high hopes for erasmus james but a real longshot that I think deserves some support is Rob Jackson.

[Patrick]

OFFENSE
Crummey a good bet because we haven't heard much about him AND that's a good thing for an O-Lineman
Rinehart is a shoe-in
McMullen, Mix, Mann, Gant are here for only two more weeks - especially if Thomas (who is as of yesterday) and Kelly are back at practice. I doubt any of the three M's+G can beat out Thash unless they make a heck of an impression on special teams. Of course there will be a chance for one of them to squeak in if 6 WRs are kept.
DEFENSE
Sinclair, Horton - IMO

[flave1969]

Well my longshot is Jason Campbell. He has the tools but he needs to do better than completing 70% of his passes.:rolleyes:

[Hr fan]

I am going to ignore draftees, since some value was placed on them. I am also ignoring James, who could be the best draft choice trade IF he can stay healthy. A surprise is IMO a rookie FA who can contribute, like Heyer last year. So my choice is between Crummey and Geisinger, and my choice is Geisinger who called a good game for the OL line against Buffalo. Jansen and/or Kendall as the bu C makes no sense since it is weakening the OL at the position they already hold, and I hope that Crummey can spend the year on the PS without being claimed because we will need him next year.

[CNYSkinFan]

I am going with either Crumney or Geisinger. Both have excellent shots at making the final 53 ...I think MAson is already on same with Brooks

[Lavar703]

I really like Fincher, he looks like a real player out there. He made alot of plays and if he keeps it up should make the team.

[Hr fan]

I am going with either Crumney or Geisinger. Both have excellent shots at making the final 53 ...I think MAson is already on same with Brooks

Agree on Mason. IMO with what he has shown a 4th RB makes more sense than, say, a 6th WR. BTW, if 6 WRs are kept my bet is Mix over McMullen. The last player at any posotion HAS to play ST; Mix does but if McMullen does I haven't noticed it.

[bergiemoore]

Agree on Mason. IMO with what he has shown a 4th RB makes more sense than, say, a 6th WR. BTW, if 6 WRs are kept my bet is Mix over McMullen. The last player at any posotion HAS to play ST; Mix does but if McMullen does I haven't noticed it.

I disagree that 4 RBs make any more sense than 6 WRs, especially in a pass-happy offense. Given the injury history of the WR corp, I think that Zorn will want to keep 6 on the 53 man roster, even if only 5 dress for games.

The 4th RB spot, if the Skins do keep 4, would likely take the place of the 2nd string FB, however that puts a lot of pressure on Mike Sellers to stay healthy and productive.

[csquared]

Ok this is all 'Tung-in-cheek'. But where have you gone Ade Jimoh. A few years ago this is who i wanted to make the team. Mostly do to sarcasm. So who do you want to make the redskins roster this season?? (Who is your Jesse Lumsden pick ??)

The New England Patriots signed veteran cornerback Ade Jimoh on Wednesday to bolster a position that has been depleted by injuries and free agent losses.

Impacts: Jimoh played four seasons with the Washington Redskins after being signed in 2003 as a rookie free agent. He signed with the Chicago Bears in 2007, but was placed on the injured reserve list in November with a broken collarbone. Cornerbacks Ellis Hobbs, Jason Webster, Mike Richardson and Jonathan Wilhite all sat out the Patriots' first preseason game last week. The team lost Pro Bowler Asante Samuel and Randall Gay to free agency.

Why was all this included in your post? Its already posted in the NFL forum.

[skin4ever]

Several weeks ago I would have said Kerry Brown, luckily he is nicely stashed away. I like Mix, I like crummey, i have high hopes for erasmus james but a real longshot that I think deserves some support is Rob Jackson.

agreed. Jackson is the longshot i want to see make the team. I dont think Brooks is a longshot. The job is his as long as he doesnt screw it up.

[Keino]

I'd like to see Mason, Horton & Fincher make the team. I like the energy each has brought to their games this season and I think Horton and Fincher can become HUGE Special Team performers.

I have been particularly impressed with Fincher, he has been around the ball a lot when he is in the game on defense and he has tremendous energy. When he was signed I was thinking "Cut bait" and now I actually think the FO may have actually seen something worth exploring in this guy. He is a bit undersized, but seems to make up for it......

[shally]

I'd like to see Mason, Horton & Fincher make the team. I like the energy each has brought to their games this season and I think Horton and Fincher can become HUGE Special Team performers.

I have been particularly impressed with Fincher, he has been around the ball a lot when he is in the game on defense and he has tremendous energy. When he was signed I was thinking "Cut bait" and now I actually think the FO may have actually seen something worth exploring in this guy. He is a bit undersized, but seems to make up for it......

i agree. he sure looks like he belongs in the nfl, doesnt he ? looks like he enjoys hitting people..you can almost always find a use for people like that

[skin4ever]

i agree. he sure looks like he belongs in the nfl, doesnt he ? looks like he enjoys hitting people..you can almost always find a use for people like that

yeah, when Terrell Owens is running a cross route.LOL

[hogs86]

Why was all this included in your post? Its already posted in the NFL forum.

Someone changed the tittle of my post. I did not see it.

[GibbsFan]

My son and I liked Horton at practice, that dude really hustles. I think he could be a good one in a year or 2. I'm also pulling for Brooks as I just want some consistency.

[Hrabanmaur]

All those Billy McMullen fans should check out Zorn's comments at his 8-13 presser on Redskins.com (http://www.redskins.com).

He's not nearly as effusive about McMullen as he was about Mason. He mentioned McMullen's struggles with knee tendonitis and his inability to consistently get off the line of scrimmage with explosion. Looks like his play against 2nd and 3rd stringers isn't the whole story.

[Slobberknocker]

All those Billy McMullen fans should check out Zorn's comments at his 8-13 presser on Redskins.com (http://www.redskins.com).

He's not nearly as effusive about McMullen as he was about Mason. He mentioned McMullen's struggles with knee tendonitis and his inability to consistently get off the line of scrimmage with explosion. Looks like his play against 2nd and 3rd stringers isn't the whole story.

Saw that. My reaction was, WOW. That would leave the 6th receiver spot wide open (ha ha). My guess is that the staff is really hoping Thomas/Kelly step up so they can go with 5 and keep Mason at RB without sacrificing someone on defense.

[Slobberknocker]

Found this from the Scout.com archives. Interesting, methinks:

Post Senior Bowl ILB/MLB Rankings
# Name School
1 Channing Crowder Florida
2 Odell Thurman Georgia
3 Lance Mitchell Oklahoma
4 Barrett Ruud Nebraska
5 Kirk Morrison San Diego State
6 Alfred Fincher Connecticut
7 Marcus Lawrence South Carolina
8 Adam Seward UNLV
9 Lofa Tatupu USC
10 Mike Goolsby Notre Dame

[resdog56]

Whoever changed the title of this thread -- good move!

I'm hoping Alfred Fincher plays hard and makes it somehow. Well, you did say longshot...

Ditto, I like the fact that he always seems to be around the ball, making plays. Isn't that what you want out of a player, to make plays?

[lorimike]

Billy McMullen has performed well, knows the west Coast and has good size. For whatever reason the light never went on for McMullen as a pro but I think it might have now. I like Mason but Betts look pretty good last game as well and he has the pedigree so I would stick with Betts.

[lorimike]

All those Billy McMullen fans should check out Zorn's comments at his 8-13 presser on Redskins.com (http://www.redskins.com).

He's not nearly as effusive about McMullen as he was about Mason. He mentioned McMullen's struggles with knee tendonitis and his inability to consistently get off the line of scrimmage with explosion. Looks like his play against 2nd and 3rd stringers isn't the whole story.
<<<

Alright I am off the McMullen band wagon. The long shot award goes to Mason.

[shally]

Found this from the Scout.com archives. Interesting, methinks:

Post Senior Bowl ILB/MLB Rankings
# Name School
1 Channing Crowder Florida
2 Odell Thurman Georgia
3 Lance Mitchell Oklahoma
4 Barrett Ruud Nebraska
5 Kirk Morrison San Diego State
6 Alfred Fincher Connecticut
7 Marcus Lawrence South Carolina
8 Adam Seward UNLV
9 Lofa Tatupu USC
10 Mike Goolsby Notre Dame

yeah, tatupu #9 ?? right.. the best overall LB to come out of that draft. even better than ruud IMHO

[BigHairedAristocrat]

im really excited about the game saturday. Allegedly, Brett Favre will play MOST of the game. So there is a very good chance we will be able to see some of our defensive backups play against a future HOF quarterback.

My longshot to make the roster is Matterral Richardson. He has been playing really well and Tryon hasn't. I think there is a shot Richardson makes our team as the 5th and final CB and Tryon gets sent to the practice squad. We really reached for him in the 4th round and I doubt anyone snags him off our practice squad. Richardson has the size and is a CB/S tweener. he has the versatility Blache will love and he is a hard hitter. He has made the most of his opportunities this preseason while Tryon hasnt. If Richardson can make some plays while Favre is under center, and Tryon continues to be all talk and no show, I think he makes our final53. I hope so anyways.

[shally]

im really excited about the game saturday. Allegedly, Brett Favre will play MOST of the game. So there is a very good chance we will be able to see some of our defensive backups play against a future HOF quarterback.

My longshot to make the roster is Matterral Richardson. He has been playing really well and Tryon hasn't. I think there is a shot Richardson makes our team as the 5th and final CB and Tryon gets sent to the practice squad. We really reached for him in the 4th round and I doubt anyone snags him off our practice squad. Richardson has the size and is a CB/S tweener. he has the versatility Blache will love and he is a hard hitter. He has made the most of his opportunities this preseason while Tryon hasnt. If Richardson can make some plays while Favre is under center, and Tryon continues to be all talk and no show, I think he makes our final53. I hope so anyways.

welcome to the best redskin site on the internet !!!!

i think that the jets will be insane to play farve more than a few series....

he is rusty and his arm is sore.................
the o line is not in regular season shape and they wont keep their starters in that long because it risks injury to one of them................
he will be playing against a very hungry group of redskin subs who would love to add a sack against favre to help them win a roster spot...............
he isnt going to get familiar with the jet offense in 1 preseason game.............
if he gets hurt, even in a non contact play, the fans and press will absolutely barbeque mangini and the offensive staff..

i predict we will see him for maybe 2 or 3 series in the first quarter... anything beyond that and my opinion of the jet coaching staff will be rock bottom

[redskin_rich]

i predict we will see him for maybe 2 or 3 series in the first quarter... anything beyond that and my opinion of the jet coaching staff will be rock bottom

I bet he plays the entire 1st half.

Regarding Tryon, I doubt he gets cut.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

welcome to the best redskin site on the internet !!!!

i think that the jets will be insane to play farve more than a few series....

he is rusty and his arm is sore.................
the o line is not in regular season shape and they wont keep their starters in that long because it risks injury to one of them................
he will be playing against a very hungry group of redskin subs who would love to add a sack against favre to help them win a roster spot...............
he isnt going to get familiar with the jet offense in 1 preseason game.............
if he gets hurt, even in a non contact play, the fans and press will absolutely barbeque mangini and the offensive staff..

i predict we will see him for maybe 2 or 3 series in the first quarter... anything beyond that and my opinion of the jet coaching staff will be rock bottom

Thanks for the warm welcome... interesting take... perhaps the news of favre playing beyond the first half is just a smoke screen.


I bet he plays the entire 1st half.

Regarding Tryon, I doubt he gets cut.
Probably not, but I reserve the right to retain my mancrush on Richardson and hope he makes the roster. If he continues his impressive preseason I doubt he lasts on our PS before someone snags him. He is slower than Tryon, but neither Tryon or ever needs to cover a #1 or #2 receiver. They need to cover #3-4 receivers and TEs and Tryon simply doesnt have the size for that. Just my humble opinion.

[HailVictory]

this has the makings of some kind of limmerick...

I once knew a punter from Ga.Tech,
who could punt the ball far as heck,

but if he can't hold,and the truth be told,
he'll be cut and discarded from the deck.

[Hr fan]

re: Broioks as hoilder - others are available as holder, like Brennan. IMO it is consistency that will win or lose the job, and Frost has a history. If Brooks is similarly inconsistent he is cut, otherwise he is on with Frost being available (I don't see anyone picking him up, at least until poor pereformance/injuries happen).

[X-Factor13]

I hope Rob Jackson makes it, I'd at least like to fool myself into thinking he could actually play on this team for awhile

[shally]

I once knew a punter from Ga.Tech,
who could punt the ball far as heck,

but if he can't hold,and the truth be told,
he'll be cut and discarded from the deck.

there you go.. such talent here a hR.....lol

there was a punter named frost
replace him ! no matter the cost
come playoff time
his efforts a crime
before the superbowl is lost .....

[Keino]

There once was a girl from Nantucket....

[colkurtz]

there you go.. such talent here a hR.....lol

there was a punter named frost
replace him ! no matter the cost
come playoff time
his efforts a crime
before the superbowl is lost .....

Frost is gone.

My longshot hopes are Horton, Mason, Richardson. I thought Mcmullen was in there as the #6 WR, especially after catching 6 balls last game. However, Zorn is not that impressed. I don't think McMullen or Mix will make it now.

I think they'd rather keep four RB than six WR. If they put Mason on the Practice Squad he'll get taken by another team.

[Farmer Ted]

I hope Rob Jackson makes it, I'd at least like to fool myself into thinking he could actually play on this team for awhile

I want Rob Jackson to play so well that Jason Taylor spends the whole season on the bench. Hell, I want Colt to play so well that we trade Jason Campbell in week 4 for for 3 1st round draft picks. And while I'm dreaming, I hope Kareem Moore and Chris Horton make Landry expendable.

[GeneralDisorder]

My longshot is AGG. Followed by PDiddy.

Then Axegrinder. :)

In that there order...

[redwolf1218]

http://ind.scout.com/2/520534.html

Fred Matua, offensive guard from USC, came out as a junior in 2006, quick and athletic.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Longshots:

I want Horton, Moore, and Hamilton to make the team, and cut Vernon Fox.
Fox missed so many tackles against the Jets, he should've already been cut.

Durant Brooks needs to make the team. Frost has been held onto for too long.

Rob Jackson has played well, and he seems to be more of a longshot than our 2 safety draft picks. So I guess I will say Jackson.

[redwolf1218]

Longshots:

I want Horton, Moore, and Hamilton to make the team, and cut Vernon Fox.
Fox missed so many tackles against the Jets, he should've already been cut.

Durant Brooks needs to make the team. Frost has been held onto for too long.

Rob Jackson has played well, and he seems to be more of a longshot than our 2 safety draft picks. So I guess I will say Jackson.

i totally agree, but i'm not sure if there is room for Hamilton, even after Fox is released, unless Reed Doughty is also released, which i doubt.

Horton and Moore look like steals.

i think Rob Jackson is a good candidate for the PS, especially if Erasmus James looks good in these next couple of preseason games. there are a lot of guys on the bubble on the d-line, with Jackson, Evans, Askew, Boschetti, Alexander, Wilson...correct me if i'm wrong, but i think out of all those guys, the only one who is eligible for the PS is Jackson.

[Keino]

My longshot is AGG. Followed by PGiddy.

Then Axegrinder. :)

In that there order...



I don't know about that. Pgiddy struggles in Pass protection. Definitely a Practice squad candidate....:)

[shally]

http://ind.scout.com/2/520534.html

Fred Matua, offensive guard from USC, came out as a junior in 2006, quick and athletic.
not played particularly well when i was watching him...

[BigHairedAristocrat]

not played particularly well when i was watching him...

+1. he's garbage. i guess if i was a USC fan i'd be rooting for him, but based on what ive seen of him in games, he is the 2nd worst lineman on our roster - at best. maybe he's been really good in practice though, idk, but i simply cant see him making the team, practice squad, or anyone elses practice squad.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

i totally agree, but i'm not sure if there is room for Hamilton, even after Fox is released, unless Reed Doughty is also released, which i doubt.

Horton and Moore look like steals.

i think Rob Jackson is a good candidate for the PS, especially if Erasmus James looks good in these next couple of preseason games. there are a lot of guys on the bubble on the d-line, with Jackson, Evans, Askew, Boschetti, Alexander, Wilson...correct me if i'm wrong, but i think out of all those guys, the only one who is eligible for the PS is Jackson.

I think you are right, there shouldn't be room for Hamilton, but Fox should be gone, if he is not then I would say Danny Smith is helping the team make bad roster decisions, but Horton and Moore are looking good.

I have been more impressed with Horton, then any of our draft picks so far..

So that must mean that Rob Jackson will land on the PS. I just don't see how Erasmus James could make the cut, but there are still 2 PS games left.

[redwolf1218]

I think you are right, there shouldn't be room for Hamilton, but Fox should be gone, if he is not then I would say Danny Smith is helping the team make bad roster decisions, but Horton and Moore are looking good.

I have been more impressed with Horton, then any of our draft picks so far..

So that must mean that Rob Jackson will land on the PS. I just don't see how Erasmus James could make the cut, but there are still 2 PS games left.

I saw some good comments about Erasmus James from Blache. i was looking for the artical, but i couldnt find it. plus he has connections with Palermo. i think he makes it on potential if he shows anything at all in the last 2 PS games, but he has to stay healthy.

[Meatsnack]

I like Rob Jackson and Matteral Richardson. Of the two, Jackson has a better chance of making the roster probably, though still not a good chance. He has to play well enough that Chris Wilson's six sacks last year are eclipsed. Hard to do that in preseason.

I also agree with many that Tryon seems to be a clueless track guy out there at corner. Richardson has much better technique and is in the right position more often than not and that is very impressive for a rook.

My suspicion is that Blache doesn't care enough for Vinny's tender sensibilities to decide who to keep on defense with Vinny's feelings in mind. He'll keep the best guys. I do hope that we keep our best 53 and let the rest sort itself out. The injury bug bites at random.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Tryon would have to really be showing something in practice (or in these next two games) to deserve serious consideration on our final 53. Tryon has looked just awful in the preseason games so far.

Something else to consider is the fact that neither Tryon or Richardson have the skills to ever be even a considered more than a #3 corner. So far, we have seen Tryon and Richardson cover backup receivers pretending to be #1 and #2 receivers. What Blache must decide is, which of these guys is better now - and/or has more potential - to be a #3/4 corner in this league? Which of these guys is going to be better at covering #3/4 receivers and TEs?

Everything i've seen thus far says that guy is Richardson. He's slower than Tryon but he has the size and instincts to cover TEs, which is what we want him for anyway.

In the end, I think Tryon will make the roster because there will be pressure to "develop" him since he was a draft pick.

[redwolf1218]

Tryon would have to really be showing something in practice (or in these next two games) to deserve serious consideration on our final 53. Tryon has looked just awful in the preseason games so far.

Something else to consider is the fact that neither Tryon or Richardson have the skills to ever be even a considered more than a #3 corner. So far, we have seen Tryon and Richardson cover backup receivers pretending to be #1 and #2 receivers. What Blache must decide is, which of these guys is better now - and/or has more potential - to be a #3/4 corner in this league? Which of these guys is going to be better at covering #3/4 receivers and TEs?

Everything i've seen thus far says that guy is Richardson. He's slower than Tryon but he has the size and instincts to cover TEs, which is what we want him for anyway.

In the end, I think Tryon will make the roster because there will be pressure to "develop" him since he was a draft pick.

Tryon is small, and he's not making up for it with any impressive speed. i think he would be safe on the practice squad, but i'm not even sure if he's worthy of it. i think a battle is brewing between Westbrook and Tryon for a practice squad spot, if Westbrook is even still elligible.

[bergiemoore]

Tryon is small, and he's not making up for it with any impressive speed. i think he would be safe on the practice squad, but i'm not even sure if he's worthy of it. i think a battle is brewing between Westbrook and Tryon for a practice squad spot, if Westbrook is even still elligible.

Tryon isn't as bad as you may think. He is always in the neighborhood of the receiver, and wraps up well on the tackle. Westbrook, having had the benefit of an entire season on the PS, is well below him on the depth chart, and a cursory glance at the games indicates why. He is rarely in position to make plays and has exhibited poor tackling.

Tryon is more talented, but he's extremely raw. He is a nickle-back project, at this point. Westbrook hasn't shown any development from last year, and will likely be cut. The competition for the 5th CB spot is between Richardson and Tryon. Both of these guys are eligible for the PS.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

The battle for the #5 CB is definitely between Tryon and Richardson. Unless Westbook does something amazing tomorrow night, he's not making the team or the PS here. Unless we keep 6 CBs, between Tryon and Richardson, one will make the team and the other will make the practice squad.

Here's the interesting thing - Richardson, like Rob Jackson, has shown enough in the pre-season that he would not last on our practice squad. The interception in the HOF game alone would be enough to warrant consideration from another team. The fact that he has consistently played solid ball through 3 games confirms that to me.

Tryon, on the other hand, has looked horrible. But he probably wouldnt last on the PS either - for the same reasons that we are considering keeping him - He was a 4th round draft pick. If he goes to our PS, SOME TEAM that is uber thin at CB is going to take a chance on him, thinking maybe our staff just didnt do an effective job of coaching him. Remember, there is a reason we reached to take him in the 4th round - we were worried he wouldnt be there later on. Other teams were eyeing him - just in lower rounds.

So we are likely going to be in a position where we can keep one of these guys for good, or lose one of these guys for good. Given thats the case, we need to ask ourselves, who can do the most for us now? Who is better on special teams? Who can come in and play nickle or dime CB in a pinch? Thats the guy we're going to keep.

[shally]

The battle for the #5 CB is definitely between Tryon and Richardson. Unless Westbook does something amazing tomorrow night, he's not making the team or the PS here. Unless we keep 6 CBs, between Tryon and Richardson, one will make the team and the other will make the practice squad.

Here's the interesting thing - Richardson, like Rob Jackson, has shown enough in the pre-season that he would not last on our practice squad. The interception in the HOF game alone would be enough to warrant consideration from another team. The fact that he has consistently played solid ball through 3 games confirms that to me.

Tryon, on the other hand, has looked horrible. But he probably wouldnt last on the PS either - for the same reasons that we are considering keeping him - He was a 4th round draft pick. If he goes to our PS, SOME TEAM that is uber thin at CB is going to take a chance on him, thinking maybe our staff just didnt do an effective job of coaching him. Remember, there is a reason we reached to take him in the 4th round - we were worried he wouldnt be there later on. Other teams were eyeing him - just in lower rounds.

So we are likely going to be in a position where we can keep one of these guys for good, or lose one of these guys for good. Given thats the case, we need to ask ourselves, who can do the most for us now? Who is better on special teams? Who can come in and play nickle or dime CB in a pinch? Thats the guy we're going to keep.

we tend to have an inflated sense of what our end of roster players are worth around the league.. sure, it is possible someone like richardson or jackson could make someone's roster, that is how we lost ike ndukwe and christian morton... but it is more likely they will take the PS offer from us, as opposed to a PS offer from another team.. and notice, those 2 players arent exactly long term starters anywhere

[bergiemoore]

The battle for the #5 CB is definitely between Tryon and Richardson. Unless Westbook does something amazing tomorrow night, he's not making the team or the PS here. Unless we keep 6 CBs, between Tryon and Richardson, one will make the team and the other will make the practice squad.

Here's the interesting thing - Richardson, like Rob Jackson, has shown enough in the pre-season that he would not last on our practice squad. The interception in the HOF game alone would be enough to warrant consideration from another team. The fact that he has consistently played solid ball through 3 games confirms that to me.


I think the pick-six from the HOF game was a nice play, but don't get carried away. He picked off the #4 QB in a 4th and long situation within the last 2 minutes of the 1st of 5 preseason games. To try and guess at who is going to make the 53 man roster based purely on their play against a bunch of guys who will be pumping gas for a living next week is ludicrous.

The fact is, Richardson hasn't sniffed the field in the first half of any of the preseason games, while Tryon has played a considerable amount of time against opposing teams 2nd string, and some 1st stringers. This would seem to indicate that the coaches see more promise in Tryon than Richardson. At the very least, they are more comfortable with him playing in the first half than Richardson.


Tryon, on the other hand, has looked horrible. But he probably wouldnt last on the PS either - for the same reasons that we are considering keeping him - He was a 4th round draft pick. If he goes to our PS, SOME TEAM that is uber thin at CB is going to take a chance on him, thinking maybe our staff just didnt do an effective job of coaching him. Remember, there is a reason we reached to take him in the 4th round - we were worried he wouldnt be there later on. Other teams were eyeing him - just in lower rounds.


Again, you have to look at the level of competition. Tryon got torched in the first halves of games, playing against the #1 and #2 QBs and the #3 and #4 receivers, while Richardson's highlight came against J-Load, who is unlikely to make the Colts' roster this year, and will be looking forward to another team's QB getting injured.


So we are likely going to be in a position where we can keep one of these guys for good, or lose one of these guys for good. Given thats the case, we need to ask ourselves, who can do the most for us now? Who is better on special teams? Who can come in and play nickle or dime CB in a pinch? Thats the guy we're going to keep.

I don't think that anyone is going to steal Richardson off the Skins practice squad. As good as he may seem in the 4th quarter of preseason games, there are tons of guys out there that are just like him.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I think the pick-six from the HOF game was a nice play, but don't get carried away. He picked off the #4 QB in a 4th and long situation within the last 2 minutes of the 1st of 5 preseason games. To try and guess at who is going to make the 53 man roster based purely on their play against a bunch of guys who will be pumping gas for a living next week is ludicrous.

The fact is, Richardson hasn't sniffed the field in the first half of any of the preseason games, while Tryon has played a considerable amount of time against opposing teams 2nd string, and some 1st stringers. This would seem to indicate that the coaches see more promise in Tryon than Richardson. At the very least, they are more comfortable with him playing in the first half than Richardson.



Again, you have to look at the level of competition. Tryon got torched in the first halves of games, playing against the #1 and #2 QBs and the #3 and #4 receivers, while Richardson's highlight came against J-Load, who is unlikely to make the Colts' roster this year, and will be looking forward to another team's QB getting injured.



I don't think that anyone is going to steal Richardson off the Skins practice squad. As good as he may seem in the 4th quarter of preseason games, there are tons of guys out there that are just like him.


Well you completely destroyed my man-crush on richardson, but I can't fault your logic. One plus for Tryon is that if he plays teams well and can return kicks as well as he claims (he's only had one or two opportunities so far) then he could make Cartwright unnecessary. I really don't like carrying 4RBs. As a CB, one would think that Tryon would be a good tackler on teams as well.

[bergiemoore]

Well you completely destroyed my man-crush on richardson, but I can't fault your logic. One plus for Tryon is that if he plays teams well and can return kicks as well as he claims (he's only had one or two opportunities so far) then he could make Cartwright unnecessary. I really don't like carrying 4RBs. As a CB, one would think that Tryon would be a good tackler on teams as well.

I'm not trying to argue that Richardson stinks. Personally, I think the kid has promise, and, at 6' 202 lbs, he could be the kind of physical corner that one wants to match up against bigger receivers and TEs. I just don't think he beats Tryon out in open competition based solely off his performance in preseason games. For us fans, that's really all we have to work from when we form our opinions, but it can be misleading. I see Richardson as a serious contender for the 53 man roster, and a shoe-in for a PS spot. It's an interesting competition to watch, but we haven't really seen Richardson in similar situations as Tryon. If Richarson gets promoted over Tryon on the depth chart, and lines up in Nickle and Dime coverage in the 1st half of a preseason game, then we'll have a better means for comparison.

Tryon has played decently on teams, so far, recording a couple of tackles and 40 yards on 2 kick returns. Richardson stood out by recovering a fumble.