Rocky and Carlos to play Saturday [Archive] - hailRedskins.com Fan Board

SellerDoor45

08-14-2008, 11:07 AM

AliBabba

08-14-2008, 11:12 AM

This makes me really nervous! I knew that Rogers had a shot at playing, but I didn't see this coming.

Per Jason LaC:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/08/mcintosh_rogers_to_play_saturd.html
sweeeeeet ... it won't be for much i'm sure, this just will help ensure they are game-ready come 9/4

shally

08-14-2008, 11:16 AM

rod woodson returned inthe same season to play after an ACL reconstruction

that speaks to how far we have come in modern sports medicine and rehab

Lavar703

08-14-2008, 11:25 AM

LATrueRedskin

08-14-2008, 11:26 AM

I'd like to have them sit out one more, and play in the last two. I don't really see a need for them to play much this game, but I'd like to see them get some more extensive during the final two preseason games. But then again, what the heck do I know?

AliBabba

08-14-2008, 11:33 AM

I dont really like this. Its too early for them to come back and there is no reason to risk aggrivating there injuries, which are similar i believe, in the preseason. From a fans perspective though, it will be nice to see them out there.

Yeh .... there are guys that get paid lots of money to determine when its time for these guys to play. Let's leave the diagnosis to the pros. I agree that from a fan perspective its exciting though and I highly doubt they play a whole lot.

I'd like to have them sit out one more, and play in the last two. I don't really see a need for them to play much this game, but I'd like to see them get some more extensive during the final two preseason games. But then again, what the heck do I know?

I think they play just a series or two at most to get accustomed to being on the field again so their contributions the next two games are more valuable in terms of preparing for the Gints

shally

08-14-2008, 11:47 AM

Yeh .... there are guys that get paid lots of money to determine when its time for these guys to play. Let's leave the diagnosis to the pros. I agree that from a fan perspective its exciting though and I highly doubt they play a whole lot.

I think they play just a series or two at most to get accustomed to being on the field again so their contributions the next two games are more valuable in terms of preparing for the Gints

i agree. they will only be in for a few plays.. just enough to bolster their confidence that they are back

Lavar703

08-14-2008, 12:07 PM

Yeh .... there are guys that get paid lots of money to determine when its time for these guys to play. Let's leave the diagnosis to the pros. I agree that from a fan perspective its exciting though and I highly doubt they play a whole lot.

I think they play just a series or two at most to get accustomed to being on the field again so their contributions the next two games are more valuable in terms of preparing for the Gints

I know there are people who get paid alot to determine those things, but Rogers injury was so severe that it was career threatning and he wasnt slated to come back until the middle of the season, and now all of a sudden hes getting ready to play in the preseason, its just weird to me thats all. It just seems like a huge risk.

BigCountry

08-14-2008, 12:13 PM

Redskinmayhem

08-14-2008, 12:26 PM

Zorn has been conservative in allowing injured players back on the field this pre-season so let's not cry doomsday just yet. If there was the smallest risk, they'd be held out, and they're probly just gonna be in there for 2-3 series if that.

agreed....I think the staff just wants them to see "live bullets" (BTW - i hate that analogy) for a series or two. It's a game speed sort of thing.

Hrabanmaur

08-14-2008, 12:33 PM

From all the reports out of the Park, these two guys have been practicing well and not showing any signs of trouble with their knee injuries. The staff has been bringing all the injured guys along slowly and holding them out against their wishes. If they've proven durable in practice and they're cleared by the docs, shouldn't they have the right to play a few snaps?

CarMike

08-14-2008, 12:42 PM

I wouldn't play them at all preseason. Let them practice with no contact. Make sure they're both ready.

I'm not diggin this move.

LATrueRedskin

08-14-2008, 12:45 PM

Yeh .... there are guys that get paid lots of money to determine when its time for these guys to play. Let's leave the diagnosis to the pros. I agree that from a fan perspective its exciting though and I highly doubt they play a whole lot.

I think they play just a series or two at most to get accustomed to being on the field again so their contributions the next two games are more valuable in terms of preparing for the Gints

That's what I'm thinking. I'm sure no one on the coaching or training staff would allow these guys on the field if they weren't confident they would be OK.

Swirvi

08-14-2008, 12:55 PM

I wouldn't play them at all preseason. Let them practice with no contact. Make sure they're both ready.

I'm not diggin this move.

And then for the first few weeks, they are not in football shape? Doesn't seem right to me. I like them playing now. First, if there is ANY kind of setback, it gives them the most amount of time to recover before the reg season starts.

Plus, they have apparently been flying all over the field and look just as good as they did before the injuries.

AliBabba

08-14-2008, 01:24 PM

And then for the first few weeks, they are not in football shape? Doesn't seem right to me. I like them playing now. First, if there is ANY kind of setback, it gives them the most amount of time to recover before the reg season starts.

Plus, they have apparently been flying all over the field and look just as good as they did before the injuries.
I agree, I think that its important that they see the field this week (since they are apparently ready to) in order to get the most out of the next two week's games. All of this is to ensure that come 9/4 they are as close to being in "football shape" as you said as possible.

Redskin4Life

08-14-2008, 01:42 PM

Lavar703

08-14-2008, 02:51 PM

I'm all for this... for those of you that are worried about the Meadowlands field being an issue, I like that Rogers and McIntosh are going to play cause they're going to have to play on that surface in Week 1 against the Giants.

Who knows? They may just workout during pregame drills and the coaching staff may decide they've seen enough. Or they'll just play the two series and be done.

Sure they have to play on that surface, but thats 3 weeks from now. I just dont think this is a great idea, whether its to get them in playing shape or whatever, its still a huge risk to two very important players.

CarMike

08-14-2008, 03:05 PM

And then for the first few weeks, they are not in football shape? Doesn't seem right to me. I like them playing now. First, if there is ANY kind of setback, it gives them the most amount of time to recover before the reg season starts.

Plus, they have apparently been flying all over the field and look just as good as they did before the injuries.

I've never bought into "football shape". Some of the greats never played [nor practiced] during the preseason. Were they in "football shape" once the season started? Yes they were.

jaylen

08-14-2008, 03:17 PM

I'm okay with this, if they are ready to play find out now for a couple series. There is risk but think of how much confidence comes outta this if they hold up on that surface.

LadyNRedskinsfan

08-14-2008, 03:29 PM

Hey, the coaching and medical staff is supposed to know more than us, if they let them on the field, then so be it. I'm anxious to see how they fair myself.

Moe

08-14-2008, 03:58 PM

I've never bought into "football shape". Some of the greats never played [nor practiced] during the preseason. Were they in "football shape" once the season started? Yes they were.

When Rocky and Carlos are in the neighborhood of 'the greats' then perhaps they can skip such preparation, unti then they need the work and to show that they are, at a minimum, on the road to being healthy.

AliBabba

08-14-2008, 04:08 PM

When Rocky and Carlos are in the neighborhood of 'the greats' then perhaps they can skip such preparation, unti then they need the work and to show that they are, at a minimum, on the road to being healthy.
agreed ... the greats had a multitude of reasons why they may not have needed preseason games and practice but Carlos and Rocky are young fairly unproven players under a new head coach

Lavar703

08-14-2008, 04:28 PM

When Rocky and Carlos are in the neighborhood of 'the greats' then perhaps they can skip such preparation, unti then they need the work and to show that they are, at a minimum, on the road to being healthy.

This makes no sense, both of them are virtually guaranteed a spot on this team, just because there not "greats" doesnt mean its still worth the risk of losing a starter for the year because there being a little to anxious. This is the preseason, it really means nothing to players that are already secured a spot and there is really no point to prove by rushing them onto the field.

silverspring

08-14-2008, 04:40 PM

Considering all the injury bad luck we have had I must say that it is simply remarkable that both of these guys are recovered from major knee injuries in such a short time. I would have considered it amazing to have just one of them ready by the season.
If they are going full speed in practice then i guess i see no reason why they can't take 1/2 a quarter of play in pre-season. Who knows maybe rogers will have the opportunity to drop a potential favre INT.

Moe

08-14-2008, 04:43 PM

This makes no sense, both of them are virtually guaranteed a spot on this team, just because there not "greats" doesnt mean its still worth the risk of losing a starter for the year because there being a little to anxious. This is the preseason, it really means nothing to players that are already secured a spot and there is really no point to prove by rushing them onto the field.

Until a medical professional under the employment of the team starts posting details here, then we have to assume that they aren't just tossing them out there willy-nilly. Being secured a roster spot has little to do with it.
If they can practice and the coaches plan on using them in something resembling major minutes this year then yes, they need some time in pre-season. If they aren't ready then the game will bear that out and they can adjust accordingly. Everyone is well aware of the risks to any player on any given play and if Zorn et al (and it's in the best interest of the coaches to protect and prepare these guys as well), are comfortable getting them reps, then that's really all there is to it.

Hrabanmaur

08-14-2008, 04:43 PM

This makes no sense, both of them are virtually guaranteed a spot on this team, just because there not "greats" doesnt mean its still worth the risk of losing a starter for the year because there being a little to anxious. This is the preseason, it really means nothing to players that are already secured a spot and there is really no point to prove by rushing them onto the field.

What leads you to believe they're being "rushed" on the field? A prognosis made last fall? That's hardly credible. If they pass the medical tests, if they perform in practices without swelling and inflammation, what's the basis for keeping them off the field?

By the same token, you should note that Erasmus James will not see action this weekend. Why would they continue to hold James back, a non-starter, yet "rush" to get Rogers and MacIntosh on the field? From what Zorn has said, they continue to be cautious with injuries and hold players back. Remember this is Zorn, the straight-shooter, not Gibbs the king of subterfuge. I'll take Zorn at his word on this one and trust that the professionals know what they're doing.

Slobberknocker

08-14-2008, 04:52 PM

This makes me really nervous! I knew that Rogers had a shot at playing, but I didn't see this coming.

On artificial turf? I'd rather they waited!

Lavar703

08-14-2008, 05:04 PM

What leads you to believe they're being "rushed" on the field? A prognosis made last fall? That's hardly credible. If they pass the medical tests, if they perform in practices without swelling and inflammation, what's the basis for keeping them off the field?

By the same token, you should note that Erasmus James will not see action this weekend. Why would they continue to hold James back, a non-starter, yet "rush" to get Rogers and MacIntosh on the field? From what Zorn has said, they continue to be cautious with injuries and hold players back. Remember this is Zorn, the straight-shooter, not Gibbs the king of subterfuge. I'll take Zorn at his word on this one and trust that the professionals know what they're doing.

I never said that the coaches are rushing the players out there, i believe its the players themselves honestly. A prognosis made last fall is credible, time tables are put on an injury for a reason, and if you dont believe that Rogers is rushing himself back out there than i dont know what to say. He destroyed his knee last year and wasnt even guaranteed to play this year, and now all of a sudden hes seeing preseason action, it doesnt add up.

Lavar703

08-14-2008, 05:07 PM

Until a medical professional under the employment of the team starts posting details here, then we have to assume that they aren't just tossing them out there willy-nilly. Being secured a roster spot has little to do with it.
If they can practice and the coaches plan on using them in something resembling major minutes this year then yes, they need some time in pre-season. If they aren't ready then the game will bear that out and they can adjust accordingly. Everyone is well aware of the risks to any player on any given play and if Zorn et al (and it's in the best interest of the coaches to protect and prepare these guys as well), are comfortable getting them reps, then that's really all there is to it.

I understand what your saying, but still this is a huge risk to take. The playing surface is not knee friendly and Rogers has no business being out there yet. I dont like this and if others do thats fine, im not saying i know more than team doctors, but i just dont see the point of this.

greatest2

08-14-2008, 05:46 PM

personally, i think this is almost just like the D.Mcnabb situation when he had knee surgery.

He could play last year at the start of the season, but clearly wasn't himself. Productive, but not himself. He only really got back to doing the things he could do and full healthy, physically and mentally in the second half of the season.

I think this will be the case for rogers and rocky. It is good for us niether is our QB, cause that means alot more to a team. Rocky can be the second best LB on the team and do well, and Rogers can go between 2nd and nickle CB and be ok. We are fortunate at where these injuries happened (tho it did happen to 2 players who are cornerstones to our D and young.)

dogfight6

08-14-2008, 07:33 PM

Lets hear it for Rockys {spelled wrong} return. Now someone please tell me where to find his jersey 2xlt love to have it since my first name is RockEy.

FanFromArizona

08-14-2008, 10:27 PM

They are expected to be in for just a handful of plays, likely with the first-team defense. They could get just "4-5 plays," according to head coach Jim Zorn.

Redskins news (http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=37740)

Sounds like a chance to just get the rust out........

joethefan

08-14-2008, 11:22 PM

Hey, the coaching and medical staff is supposed to know more than us, if they let them on the field, then so be it. I'm anxious to see how they fair myself.

i agree

redskin_rich

08-14-2008, 11:58 PM

I say let them play, if they are physically ready. You can't forget the mental aspect of coming back from a serious injury. They need to get out there and know themselves that they are ready.

Swirvi

08-15-2008, 12:59 AM

SkinsfaninNJ

08-15-2008, 01:01 AM

I say let them play, if they are physically ready. You can't forget the mental aspect of coming back from a serious injury. They need to get out there and know themselves that they are ready.

I agree. Plus, I'm no doctor but will two more weeks of no contact really make that much of a difference in recovery in this instance?

greatest2

08-15-2008, 01:37 AM

ahem...cough cough...clinton portis...cough cough

'nuff said.

LT the runner

im not saying football shape is bogus and just a myth, and i am not saying that its true. I am just saying, you give an example of where supposed football shape was lacking, and i give you a example of the best running back in the league and how he rarely gets any carries in the preseason

both sides can come up with numerous examples. i think it depends on the players. some need to be hit and get used to it. some don't.

greatest2

08-15-2008, 01:39 AM

I agree. Plus, I'm no doctor but will two more weeks of no contact really make that much of a difference in recovery in this instance?

i am just afraid of that surface. its a tricky one. but they going to have to play on it at sometime, i guess this will get them used to it?

if the doc says they are 100 percent, the player says he is 100 percent, he has gone through a few more weeks after that of just full contact practicing with no problems, well then you just gotta cut it loose IMO

InsomniaKiller

08-15-2008, 02:18 AM

Best news since Jason Taylor.

We might have ourselves a football team here!

Skins-fo-life

08-15-2008, 03:12 AM

I'm happy for both of these guys. It will be nice to see them out on the field again. I'm betting that Springs opens the game at free safety again. Carlos and smoot on the corners. Just gotta get Laron back in there.

Moe

08-15-2008, 09:41 AM

The playing surface is not knee friendly and Rogers has no business being out there yet.

It's field turf, which is generally regarded as the best surface on which to play (Seattle's Qwest field has been rated the best field for years now), outside of some of the natural surfaces that some of the more southern franchises have.
Again, you might feel that he has no business being out there but the doctors and coaches that have intimate, daily interaction with him feel differently.