Frost vs Brooks -- Who Gets The Job?

[saratogan]

I thought this might be an interesting topic as it appears the winner of this position will be determined after this Saturday's game.

Interesting article, if you are a Frost fan, in Washington Times today.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/aug/22/frost-may-keep-job-with-solid-showing/

After last season, especially during the home stretch, I became a Frost detractor. A GOOD veteran punter should not shank punts; a veteran punter should be able to have consistent high hang times; and, a GOOD veteran punter is CONSISTENT. If Brooks and Frost are close at the end of this game, then it should it go to Brooks because he has more upside potential. Brooks, I believe, will improve physically with the type of conditioning and strength program available to him. Frost has had this for several years. Brooks also will benefit from a coach who can improve (tweak?) his technique. Frost has had this opportunity for several years. Also, Brooks has only been handling holding duties for a couple of weeks, which I thought he did well, as a "raw" rookie.

It will "Frost" me if Brooks does not win the position. I am biased. Your opinions?:smash:

[CarMike]

I'm pulling for Durant personally. However, Frost has looked good at times.

If we're patient with Brooks, he could be our punter for years to come.

[redwolf1218]

Brooks better get the job (i sure hope we didnt waste a 6th round pick). i'm almost at the point of hoping for a shank from Frost tomorrow night. i like everything that article said about all the time Frost has had to improve. given all that opportunity, i think Brooks will be much better. actually, i think Brooks will much better, much faster than that.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

I've been paying attention to this competition closely, not because I hate Frost, but because I really like Brooks and think he can be a very, very good punter in this league. In the times he has punted, I don't think he has done anything to hurt his chances of unseating Frost and I think he should make the team. JMO though.....

[bergiemoore]

Brooks' kicks seem to get more hang-time, but it is impossible to tell for sure, since the NFL doesn't track hang-time. He has been consistent throughout the preseason, while Frost has been consistently inconsistent throughout his career. At this point, I think the Skins should go with Brooks.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Brooks better get the job (i sure hope we didnt waste a 6th round pick). i'm almost at the point of hoping for a shank from Frost tomorrow night. i like everything that article said about all the time Frost has had to improve. given all that opportunity, i think Brooks will be much better. actually, i think Brooks will much better, much faster than that.

i am also almost hoping frost has a bad night. The decision seems clearcut to me when you look at their performance thus far. Brooks is averaging 10 more yards per punt and his long is 19 yards further than Frost. Granted, Brooks has an extra game under his belt, but I he is not going to be significantly better this year than he was last year. Brooks is the better punter. We drafted him for a reason. Yeah, he might not be as good of a holder, but thats something that can be taught. You can't teach Frost how to have a leg. Brooks has a leg. Brooks should get the job.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Wouldn't it be great if our offense was so good that we never need a punter?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

i am also almost hoping frost has a bad night.
Don't feel bad because I want Frost to have a horrible night as well.

[hail2skins]

I think the job will be given to Brooks. We drafted him and you don't draft a punter if you don't plan on keeping him IMO. Also, I thought it was interesting that he was kicking in the Jets game where our first game of the season will take place. Coincidence? Hmmmm?

[shally]

I'm pulling for Durant personally. However, Frost has looked good at times.

If we're patient with Brooks, he could be our punter for years to come.

i think that is the key.. brooks represents the possibility of a superior punter for a long time. with frost, we will always have inconsistency

think david akers.. if norv hadnt been such an impatient tool, we would have had our kicker settled for 10 years

[shally]

I think the job will be given to Brooks. We drafted him and you don't draft a punter if you don't plan on keeping him IMO. Also, I thought it was interesting that he was kicking in the Jets game where our first game of the season will take place. Coincidence? Hmmmm?

gibbs drafted david bunn in the 3rd round after an incredible career at ? texas el paso..
3rd round or not, gibbs cut him in preseason and he was never heard from again.
i dont think the front office would have any hesitancy of cutting brooks if he looks shaky on a consistent basis

[Patrick]

I think the job will be given to Brooks. We drafted him and you don't draft a punter if you don't plan on keeping him IMO. Also, I thought it was interesting that he was kicking in the Jets game where our first game of the season will take place. Coincidence? Hmmmm?

Yep, my exact thoughts too. And if the rotation is correct - Frost will be given one last audition chance (for another team) this weekend. Brooks should be closing out the season next week but the competition might be completed by Monday.

[shally]

Yep, my exact thoughts too. And if the rotation is correct - Frost will be given one last audition chance (for another team) this weekend. Brooks should be closing out the season next week but the competition might be completed by Monday.

to be fair to frost, they SHOULD cut him this weekend to allow him a chance to stick somewhere else

[dj_stouty]

I think Brooks' presence is pushing Frost to do his very, very best. The problem is that Frost is rarely at "his best" throughout the year. He is inconsistant and complacent; especially when his job is secure. Brooks is better than Frost in just about every kicking category except NFL experience.

I've seen Brooks kick live in college and I can tell you that he has a catapult for a foot. Just wait until he punts his first 60-70 yarder inside the 5 yard line and he will instantly become a fan favorite.

[chrisbcbu]

To me this should be no contest. Brooks should get the job. The only thing brooks needs is to learn how to sit the ball down once it hits inside the 10. Seems like when his ball hits it immediately bounces in the endzone.

[redskin_rich]

gibbs drafted david bunn in the 3rd round after an incredible career at ? texas el paso..
3rd round or not, gibbs cut him in preseason and he was never heard from again.
i dont think the front office would have any hesitancy of cutting brooks if he looks shaky on a consistent basis

Ed Bunn. That wasn't Gibbs, it was Casserly in the '93 draft. Lots of his draft picks got cut. Heck, that Penn State Tackle, that he traded up into the end of the 1st round with Dallas for, never played a down.

Brooks will get the job, he is just a Punter. We can be patient with him, we've shown enough patience with Frosty.

[bergiemoore]

Ed Bunn. That wasn't Gibbs, it was Casserly in the '93 draft. Lots of his draft picks got cut. Heck, that Penn State Tackle, that he traded up into the end of the 1st round with Dallas for, never played a down.

Brooks will get the job, he is just a Punter. We can be patient with him, we've shown enough patience with Frosty.

Amen

[SkinsfaninNJ]

gibbs drafted david bunn in the 3rd round after an incredible career at ? texas el paso..
3rd round or not, gibbs cut him in preseason and he was never heard from again.
i dont think the front office would have any hesitancy of cutting brooks if he looks shaky on a consistent basis

Aikman spoke on this during the second half of last night's game. They were discussing how the Bears have locked up so much money in high picks that didn't pan out, but yet the team still kept around. Aikman said that was Jimmy Johnson's greatest attribute to building long term success for Dallas because draft position didn't matter. Your performance dictated whether you were kept or not.

[Moe]

i think that is the key.. brooks represents the possibility of a superior punter for a long time. with frost, we will always have inconsistency...

Yeah Brooks certainly seems to have a higher ceiling and I think that'll get him the nod, even if it means a fews bumps along the way.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

This better be an act to push Brooks a little.

[skinsfaninva]

gibbs drafted david bunn in the 3rd round after an incredible career at ? texas el paso..
3rd round or not, gibbs cut him in preseason and he was never heard from again.
i dont think the front office would have any hesitancy of cutting brooks if he looks shaky on a consistent basis

I disagree.

Gibbs was never a big rookie guy. Look at all of his "skill" position players. He rarely "allowed" rookies to play. I can remember seeing Rypien on the sidelines for the 87 Super Bowl. He didn't get to play much until 89 or 90. I am too young to remember much about the drafts back then or follow the preseason.

This coaching staff is allowing young players to grow and succeed instead of cutting them loose to early.

[hail2skins]

I disagree.

Gibbs was never a big rookie guy. Look at all of his "skill" position players. He rarely "allowed" rookies to play. I can remember seeing Rypien on the sidelines for the 87 Super Bowl. He didn't get to play much until 89 or 90. I am too young to remember much about the drafts back then or follow the preseason.

This coaching staff is allowing young players to grow and succeed instead of cutting them loose to early.This was going to be my response to shally too. So I adopt this post.

[shally]

Ed Bunn. That wasn't Gibbs, it was Casserly in the '93 draft. Lots of his draft picks got cut. Heck, that Penn State Tackle, that he traded up into the end of the 1st round with Dallas for, never played a down.

Brooks will get the job, he is just a Punter. We can be patient with him, we've shown enough patience with Frosty.

i agree it is a different regime. andre johnson was the tackle who was a total flame out..

part of the reason, i think, that a lot of the picks got cut (aside from them being bad) was that even though casserly was "GM" it was clearly gibbs calling the shots..

Aikman spoke on this during the second half of last night's game. They were discussing how the Bears have locked up so much money in high picks that didn't pan out, but yet the team still kept around. Aikman said that was Jimmy Johnson's greatest attribute to building long term success for Dallas because draft position didn't matter. Your performance dictated whether you were kept or not.

JJ was one of the most astute personnel men inthe nfl. his tenure while at dallas was incredible. but he was not nearly as good when he went to miami. makes me think he was very lucky as well at dallas-- besides which he had an incredible amount of high picks as a result of the herschel walker and walsh trades..

I disagree.

Gibbs was never a big rookie guy. Look at all of his "skill" position players. He rarely "allowed" rookies to play. I can remember seeing Rypien on the sidelines for the 87 Super Bowl. He didn't get to play much until 89 or 90. I am too young to remember much about the drafts back then or follow the preseason.

This coaching staff is allowing young players to grow and succeed instead of cutting them loose to early.

gibbs clearly devalued BOTH punters and draft picks. he was happy enough with kelly goodburn, who had the lowest punting average in the nfl when the skins beat buffalo for the title..

BUT even gibbs would not be expecting to cut a third round pick in camp.
that is pitiful drafting

times are different now as well. because of the salary cap, your young players have to contribute early in their careers

i dont think gibbs ever truly made the transition to this philosophy in gibbs "2"
and that was part of his limitations as a coach the second time around..

[HanburgerBum]

Since Frost does not have a gaudy NFL resume and since the Skins used a pick to acquire Brooks, the punting job has actually been Brooks to lose from the very beginning. From what I have seen so far, I would say Brooks has not lost the job. Even if Brooks turns out not to be so good in the regular season, there will be plenty of punters on the streets (probably including Frost) to select one from at that point.

The only concern I have is that Frost has demonstrated in the past that he is a pretty good athlete. He has made a couple of "saving" tackles in his carrer. Is Brooks capable of doing the same? There will be times when the punter will be needed to perform that chore.

[jtovb2005]

I have not noticed some big differnce between them in these 3 games. That said that should point to Brooks getting the job since he is the drafted punter guy vice a FA. I think it also depends on what the coaches have seen in practice which most of us don't get to see.

If these were both FA's I think Frost would keep the job.

[redskin_rich]

i agree it is a different regime. andre johnson was the tackle who was a total flame out..

part of the reason, i think, that a lot of the picks got cut (aside from them being bad) was that even though casserly was "GM" it was clearly gibbs calling the shots..


I think you missed part of my point. Gibbs wasn't here in that '93 draft that temporarily netted Bunn, Norv was the coach and Casserly was running the draft. Though I do believe that Charley let Norv choose between Shuler and Dilfer.

[InsomniaKiller]

They're both playing pretty evenly so far this preseason, I suppose. But we've seen for a couple of years the best that Frost can do, and it's pretty average. Brooks is surely capable of better things.

[shally]

They're both playing pretty evenly so far this preseason, I suppose. But we've seen for a couple of years the best that Frost can do, and it's pretty average. Brooks is surely capable of better things.

that is what i am thinking.. brooks should continue to develop, and even now he has the far superior leg..still, i want to see him have to punt out of his endzone late in the game

[greatest2]

Personally, i think Frosty needs a big game JUST TO PUSH THIS TO THE FINAL PRESEASON GAME. If frosty has a big game, then it goes to Jags game and they won't cut either in this first 5. But if frosty is what we all think he is then he will be one of the 5 gone.

i think brooks all but has this job wraped up, which is a good thing.

[shally]

Personally, i think Frosty needs a big game JUST TO PUSH THIS TO THE FINAL PRESEASON GAME. If frosty has a big game, then it goes to Jags game and they won't cut either in this first 5. But if frosty is what we all think he is then he will be one of the 5 gone.

i think brooks all but has this job wraped up, which is a good thing.

i still want to see him punt in a pressure situation

[greatest2]

i still want to see him punt in a pressure situation

can he be worse then frost? if not, whats the point of keeping the same thing without the possibility of potential.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Just wait until he punts his first 60-70 yarder inside the 5 yard line and he will instantly become a fan favorite.The day he removes Frost from the roster he'll be a fan favorite lol

[joethefan]

after seeing that 70+ yard punt on youtube....why are we having this conversation....?




Brooks

[Skins-fo-life]

The day he removes Frost from the roster he'll be a fan favorite lol

Which will be within the next 2 weeks or as early as Tuesday.

[InsomniaKiller]

Would it be too drastic at this point to say that if Frost remains on the roster I will shoot myself in the face?

[RedSkinBrit]

Brooks should get the job

[jtovb2005]

can he be worse then frost? if not, whats the point of keeping the same thing without the possibility of potential.

This is probably the best way to put it. Unless maybe Brooks just can't hold for FG and EP's he is in. Not saying he can't but who knows what happens in practices.

[shally]

can he be worse then frost? if not, whats the point of keeping the same thing without the possibility of potential.

actually, he could be worse than frost

i think the worst kick that frost came up with in time of dire need was the shank against the Tampa Bucs in the 4th quarter of the playoff game a couple of years ago.. and then marcus and the defense bailed him out anyway..

i actually want to see what brooks does when backed up to the end line

the good thing is that he never had a punt blocked in college.

[Nomad]

Ah, people that say never always seem to eat crow, don't they?

If it is even close, the nod goes to Brooks. Frost has shown he always chokes when it matters most, Brooks we don't know, but at least he hasn't choked yet. The job was Brook's to lose from day 1, and unless he totally choked, Frost was always gone. If that wasn't the case, he never would have been drafted. Period. Frost could punt a ball into orbit around Mars in preseason and that still wouldn't ease concerns about what he will do in a big game when the chips are down.

Some speculative article doesn't change this reality. Brooks could be our punter for the next decade or more, will only get better, and is at least as good as Frost right now as a raw rookie. Frost has maximed his potential, and though statistically mid-tier, his propensity to come up smaller the bigger the situation makes him one of the worst punters in the league. In the clutch, he is the anti-Viniateri, yes I know one is K other P and the metaphor strained.

[Nomad]

Would it be too drastic at this point to say that if Frost remains on the roster I will shoot myself in the face?

That depends what you look like.

[smoak]

i nervously vote for brooks

[NCskinsfanatic]

Brooks is the guy, he has more leg, more upside and I dont believe he would be any worse than Frost... who benefits far too often from a healthy roll or two during the season.

[colkurtz]

Brooks is kicking further, with more hang time and is the draft pick. Frost is just not consistent enough also..

Brooks is the man, unless he totally tubes it this game or the next.

(Also worst case, Frost will be on speed dial).

[NCskinsfanatic]

Frost has punted well but our lackluster O has given him more chances than normal...I still give Brooks the nod.

[brettsky991]

Frost looks good. I hope to see brooks in the 2nd half....wait ......correction. I hope we don't see either punter for the remainder.

[hockeygoalie29]

Frost has punted well but our lackluster O has given him more chances than normal...I still give Brooks the nod.


He has had a few nice kicks, although his first kick of the 2nd half was terrible.

[NCskinsfanatic]

He has had a few nice kicks, although his first kick of the 2nd half was terrible.

as usual Frost tends to let you down...give it to Brooks

[colkurtz]

Frost is inconsistent - which has ben his problem all along. 65 yd punt then a 38 yarder.

Brooks will win and our ST wil be better for it.

[Slobberknocker]

Frost net: 37.

BROOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JasonCampbell]

I'm surprised I've not seen anyone (on internet or TV) mention Frost rip his helmet off after his first punt when he was in on the tackle. He got up, ripped it off, then threw it back on in under a second. Should have been a penalty. The moron didn't learn from his mistake the first time apparently.

[InsomniaKiller]

I didn't watch the entire game, for obvious reasons, but WOW that was a heck of a punt he had from the back of the end zone.

Unfortunately, his net yards are still completely pedestrian, so I can only imagine what the rest of the night was like. "Inconsistent" is my guess.

Too bad. He kicked the heck out of that ball, and even though I want Brooks to get the job, it sucks for him that this could be the end of his Redskins career, regardless.

[greatest2]

it will come down to if shazam feels comfortable with brooks. and my guess is he will say something like "yea i feel comfortable with both guys. THe more reps i get with them the more it will become like second nature."

and that will be it frosty. i already consider him cut personally, even after tonight

[skinsfan36]

brooks. please get rid of frost

[saratogan]

At least for first half, Frost was extremely effective punting. If I recall, however, he had a medicore punt in the third quarter. For me that really tells me what kind of punter he is - inconsistent. If he could have those huge boomers in the first half, why did he not have more of them last year, too?

Key issue apparently is holding for field goals and extra points and Suisham and Frost are close. Does Suisham have any influence? Last week, I thought Brooks look good holding for Suisham, but I am no expert on this subject.

[Slobberknocker]

Frost has the bigger gross but the smaller net. Same ol same ol. Hopefully the shizzle on the boomers don't fool Danny anymore. Outkicking your coverage is the same as smallball, punter style.

[skinsfan36]

this is all about upside really
brooks=tons
frost=maxed potential shank master
plus if books struggles we could always pick up frost

[shally]

this is all about upside really
brooks=tons
frost=maxed potential shank master
plus if books struggles we could always pick up frost

agree.. performance about equal.. potential is not

go with brooks

[bigcmr]

This job should go to brooks more potential.

[Skinz4lyfe]

actually, he could be worse than frost

i think the worst kick that frost came up with in time of dire need was the shank against the Tampa Bucs in the 4th quarter of the playoff game a couple of years ago.. and then marcus and the defense bailed him out anyway..

i actually want to see what brooks does when backed up to the end line

the good thing is that he never had a punt blocked in college.


That image is forever imbedded in my mind. Argh!

Go with Brooks. We can work with his placement inside the 20 but you can't coach how strong his leg is. He can really boom 'em.

[dj_stouty]

I have to give Frost a lot of credit. Very rarely do you see a guy step it up like that in competition for a job. He is handling that stress fairly well, but I question if he can handle the stress of a significant punt during a critical time in the game.

This will be a tough decision for Zorn, but unless Brooks goes out and shanks it a few times this Thursday, then I think you have to go with the rookie.

[shally]

I have to give Frost a lot of credit. Very rarely do you see a guy step it up like that in competition for a job. He is handling that stress fairly well, but I question if he can handle the stress of a significant punt during a critical time in the game.

This will be a tough decision for Zorn, but unless Brooks goes out and shanks it a few times this Thursday, then I think you have to go with the rookie.

i agree.. you dont spend a draft pick to provide competition for an incumbent player. that is what free agents are for.. you spend a draft pick on a potential replacement for that player.. if you are wrong, the draft pick gets cut. in this case, brooks is clearly frost's equal in performance.

go with potential for a long term superior player...brooks

[TheGift23]

Yeah I want Brooks to win. Frost was in this situation already, and we already know what road it will end it. Had a hell of a game in Carolina, I'll give him that.

[JasonCampbell]

I'm really fearful Frost makes this team for some reason although IMO the winner should clearly be Brooks. They have had similar preseasons, but Frosty has about maxed out his potential.

[Red Bear]

yeah frost booms it when he is faced with competition, unfortunately he booms line drives with little hangtime. i remember as a kid every punt in a game had a hangtime clock counting on the screen, unless im just blind i hardly ever see that anymore. hangtime seems to be the forgotten element of punting nowadays aside from the coaches in most instances. i think brooks could pull it off if he has shown the ability to get good hangtime and is one of the reasons we drafted him. plus brooks is signed for the next for years. id like to see brooks be our punter for that long and beyond. and i also think frost could be picked up by someone who thinks he might be a better option than their current punter, like pittsburgh who had to put their normal punter on IR.

[Keino]

I think they should just settle it with a 10-fall cage match at the end of Thursday's game.

[Brokenstriker]

got to admit I was impressed with Frost's long punts in that game. The dig on Frost though is inconsistency and shanked/short punts when we really need the long one. Won't piss me off if Frost makes it, but I'm pulling for Durant.

[Hr fan]

Frost has the bigger gross but the smaller net. Same ol same ol. Hopefully the shizzle on the boomers don't fool Danny anymore. Outkicking your coverage is the same as smallball, punter style.

Agree totally. Add in the roll and proven inconsistency vs potential consistency factors and the choice should be clear. GO WITH HANG TIME as well as distance and placement.

[Slobberknocker]

I just realized who Frosty reminds me of -- the girl or guy who loses weight in the run up till they get married so they can look great on wedding day.

Afterwards, they hit the buffet with a vengeance. Hey, she married me, right?

It's one thing to slim down for the ceremony. It's another to be a dedicated spouse.

If we don't take Brooks, I'm gonna hurl watching him punt out the lights for another team while good ol' Frosty returns to his shanking/rolling ways.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

The fact that we didn't cut Frost after the Panthers game makes me think the coaching staff is leaning towards keeping him. If not, they would have cut him Sunday as a courtesy to allow him to find another team. There must be something about Brooks that is making the staff uneasy.

[Slobberknocker]

Another thing that troubles me is how Frost and Swishy always stand together on the sidelines. I know they're good friends.

The staff surely considers that when bringing in a new holder for field goals. So far, so good, but they're is nothing like established chemistry.

Who knew punting would be one of the highlights of tonight's show.

[shally]

The fact that we didn't cut Frost after the Panthers game makes me think the coaching staff is leaning towards keeping him. If not, they would have cut him Sunday as a courtesy to allow him to find another team. There must be something about Brooks that is making the staff uneasy.


i thought much the same.. but frost did little to impress me.

i think they go with brooks on potential and to save a few bucks..

suisham has about ZERO input into the decision..

[GeneralDisorder]

All things going well this season, we won't need either of them...

:)

[Slobberknocker]

suisham has about ZERO input into the decision..

I don't buy that. They won't ask his opinion... but the comfort factor between kicker and holder surely plays a huge factor.

During the farce with Carolina, Theisman even said as much, something like he would trade yardage on punts if it meant Swishy could relax.

[redwolf1218]

I don't buy that. They won't ask his opinion... but the comfort factor between kicker and holder surely plays a huge factor.

During the farce with Carolina, Theisman even said as much, something like he would trade yardage on punts if it meant Swishy could relax.

they have nothing else to do but to get comfortable with it. let Albright snap it to Brooks about a badillion times every day.

[colkurtz]

Brooks will win. Frost is to inconsistent.

[Slobberknocker]

Now THAT looks like an NFL punter:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/2008/09000d5d80a5a14a_gallery_600.jpg

[saratogan]

I really thought Frost showed some of his inconsistency in the Carolina game booming some tremendous punts and then having a fair punt in 3rd quarter. If he could boom several in the first half, why could it not do that more frequently?

I do not believe Brooks - despite the pressure - has muffed a punt, until he had an average one last night.

Last night he was more average; unfortunately, Brooks was too. Further, Frost was holding for field goals, not Brooks. I had hoped that Brooks would be given another chance there.

Even Madden was commenting about the Frost vs Brooks competition. Normally, you draft someone and they do fairly equallly as a veteran you go with the rookie. He said Frost would land with another team. They made a comment about holding for the field goal kicker, but did not catch it - did someone else?

I am now concerned that they will keep Frost.:banghead:

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Even Madden was commenting about the Frost vs Brooks competition. Normally, you draft someone and they do fairly equallly as a veteran you go with the rookie. He said Frost would land with another team. They made a comment about holding for the field goal kicker, but did not catch it - did someone else?

I am now concerned that they will keep Frost.:banghead:


Madden said Brooks would land with another team. He said we would keep frost because he could hold for the field goal kicker and that was a very important job.

[bergiemoore]

Madden said Brooks would land with another team. He said we would keep frost because he could hold for the field goal kicker and that was a very important job.

I believe that comment was made before the 26 yard shank from Frost.

It also confounds me that the NFL and the commentators don't seem to mention hang time in reference to punters. Personally, I thought Frosts 50+ yard kick was utter garbage, because it was a line-drive that out ran the coverage unit. Brooks 43 yard kick, on the other hand, allowed for no chance at a return.

[skinsfan36]

brooks,if we dont keep him he will be a pro bowl consistently i compare him to andy lee

[JasonCampbell]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

"I feel like I was dealt with dishonestly," Frost said. "I want to thank Danny Smith for the three years he gave me here, and I feel like he always treated me well, and I will continue to think that. But I think we all know who made the decision, and when you've got a draft that isn't starting to look so good, you're going to do whatever you can to make it look as good as possible."

Ummm...a draft that isn't looking so good. I guess punters think you can accurately grade a draft after 5 preseason games.

"I was given no explanation by anyone," Frost said. "They kept trying to tell me that it was close, that it was close and that it was an open competition, but I don't feel that was really the case."

No explanation? You were in a one on one battle to win a job. Whoever gets cut loses and whoever doesn't wins. You tested free agency, no one called, and the team you played with last year gave you a league minimum one year contract. Get a friggin' clue man.

I've only seen Frost in a few interviews and each and every time he came across as an arrogant ass. I'm happy to see him go.

[JasonCampbell]

More bellyaching:

http://www.washtimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2008/Aug/30/frost-blasts-skins/

"They said the competition was even, but it definitely wasn't," said Frost, who averaged 45.5 yards gross and 32.3 net to Brooks' 42.8 and 34.5. "I started the last game and I definitely outplayed him after they said it was even going in. It was a sham. There was no competition. I think [special teams coach Danny Smith's] hands were tied."

So Frost, you've been in the league 3 or 4 years, so I think we can assume you are getting relatively close to the punter you are going to be. You "outkick" a rookie by less than 3 yards and lose to him in net yards. Being a rookie, the coaches probably hope he'll improve. Maybe by the end of this year he'll make up that whopping 3 yards in gross

...idiot punter

[saratogan]

Just announced this afternoon, Frost was let go. Along with Mason and Wade.

[Slobberknocker]

Just announced this afternoon, Frost was let go. Along with Mason and Wade.

Brother, who woke you from your hibernation?

[whitskins]

Frost is kind of embarrassing himself here I think.

The guy only produced when his back was absolutely against the wall and he was on the verge of losing his job.

You're a punter for Christ's sake, your team shouldn't have to be drafting your competition and backing you into a corner for you to finally develop some consistency. Just kick the damn ball!

Frost is nothing more than average at best, Brooks has a chance to develop into a much better player. Frost had three years to cement himself as our long-term answer at P, he didn't do it. The excuse making just shows his true colors even more.

[Slobberknocker]

Maybe by the end of this year he'll make up that whopping 3 yards in gross

...idiot punter

My reaction EXACTLY! We let the right guy go.

[ihatedallas]

More bellyaching:

http://www.washtimes.com/weblogs/redskins/2008/Aug/30/frost-blasts-skins/



So Frost, you've been in the league 3 or 4 years, so I think we can assume you are getting relatively close to the punter you are going to be. You "outkick" a rookie by less than 3 yards and lose to him in net yards. Being a rookie, the coaches probably hope he'll improve. Maybe by the end of this year he'll make up that whopping 3 yards in gross

...idiot punter

whats funny about those statistics is that net is really all that matters in most situations, because thats showing your doing a better job placing/getting hangtime.

I'm glad to see him go.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Brother, who woke you from your hibernation?

HAHA thanks for the laugh...ps in breaking news Joe Gibbs retired and Jim Zorn was named head coach. :smash:

[CNYSkinFan]

Wow frost is a whiny little ***censored***

i never liked him and i like him less now

[bigcmr]

The job went to thr right guy.

[hockeygoalie29]

Best comment on the insider:

The Redskins did exactly what JLC said previously they needed to do, upgrade the punter, and he found a way to turn it into an unjust political move by a diabolical front office. Shocker.

[bergiemoore]

Best comment on the insider:

JLC finds any excuse these days to lampoon the Skins FO. He's also making a big deal about the decision to keep Tryon over Richardson.

[Skins-fo-life]

Even though they both had similiar numbers in the preseason I think the team made this move because of the potential that Brooks has. He will eventually be one of the games best punters. Its hard to justify cutting a draft pick especially when it is a punter. If a putner is picked you would hope he would stick around because this team had other needs when he was picked. I'm sure some money was saved in the process as well.

[JasonCampbell]

This is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002248.html?sid=ST2008083002413&s_pos

DERRICK FROST WAS, IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE AN AVERAGE PUNTER.

[redskin_rich]

This is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002248.html?sid=ST2008083002413&s_pos

DERRICK FROST WAS, IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE AN AVERAGE PUNTER.

I just skimmed the article but it appears to me that Wise is back to making insinuations without having the balls to actually state his point.

[Skins-fo-life]

This is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002248.html?sid=ST2008083002413&s_pos

DERRICK FROST WAS, IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE AN AVERAGE PUNTER.

Well if Brooks bombs it I don't think Frost will be invited back after those comments. I know he was upset about getting cut but sometimes a guy should just hold his tongue when he is in that spot. Injuries do happen and it is a part of the game. Anyone remember how Tom Tupa worked out?

[Fathead]

What has Frost done the last few years to justify his keeping the job?



Newsflash: If a team starts drafting at your position, unless your name is Brady or Manning, you might get replaced.

[Hrabanmaur]

I don't have a problem with Frost making a complaint and spouting off. He has a right to feel upset at the job loss.

I can't stand the post article by JLC. It's ludicrous. Frost did nothing to set himself apart from Brooks in the preseason in my opinion. Although he had a few more booming punts, Brooks seemed more consistent and had nice hang times. The performances were fairly evenly matched, so why wouldn't the front office go with the draft pick who has potential to grow? What so infuriating is that the article even states that "NFL punters typically take time to develop." If Brooks matched Frost in the preseason, think of how he'll develop over the next several years.

This pissing contest between the Post and the front office is wearing thin.

[lorimike]

This is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002248.html?sid=ST2008083002413&s_pos

DERRICK FROST WAS, IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE AN AVERAGE PUNTER.<<<<

I agree. Why would Durant Brooks need to be another Ray Guy? Is the author seriosly thinking that Derrick Frost is the equivalent of Ray Guy? Bottom line is that Brooks was just as good as Frost in the preseason and has more upside. All the sour grapes comments by Frost make him sound line a real whiner.

[MadDog97]

I understand the team cutting Frost. Frost did nothing to show he should be the punter. His performance was not anything to lock down a job. Brooks will have the upside of potential and over the years he and Suisham will be an asset to special teams.

Where I do agree with the article is at the wideout position. I have been critical of the front office drafting 3 receivers in the 2nd and right now the only winner is Davis. I think you have to put Kelly on IR and Thomas has not shown a whole lot. We should have kept one more receiver and I hope McMullen is available for the practice squad. As it stands the team has no effective backups and the same 3 wideouts as last year.

The other cuts I can live with but Frost has a point about the front office. Still, he should have kept his mouth shut because who knows what Brooks will do and other teams may look negatively at his exit comments. Still, no doubt Vinnie and Danny were concerned with looking good.

[JasonCampbell]

This pissing contest between the Post and the front office is wearing thin.

This is really the first time I'm pissed off at the Post. I've always preferred their pessimistic view when compared with what the Redskins put out with Larry Michael, but this is just stupid. I just can't comprehend why it would make sense to cut a rookie whose numbers are almost as good (actually better depending upon which number you look at) as the incumbent already.

Not to mention, these guys do stuff at practice the coaches look at. Devin Thomas didn't make this team on his preseason performance in games. It's a little something called 'potential' Post. Morons.

I think this is the first time I've ever backed up the front office...is the world going to end?

[bergiemoore]

Frost just made himself a pariah in the eyes of the NFL. Nobody likes a mouthy kicker. Just ask Feely.

I think it's funny that while Wise mentions hang-time in passing, neither he, nor anyone else at the Post pushing the controversy, bother using it for comparison. The fact is, in this preseaon, Frost allowed the opposing team to return his kicks 66% of the time, while Brooks only allowed for a return 53% of the time. This is largely due to hang-time, and the ability for a kicker to give the return team time to make it down field. Frost's kicks were returned for an average of 17.9 yards, while Brooks were returned for an average of 9.7 yards. I believe that the difference of 8 yards here makes up for 1.7 yard advantage Frost has over Brooks in average length.

Brooks also pinned opponents inside their 20 5 times while Frost only did so 4 times. This stat has more to do with field position than anything else, but it is important to note that Brooks had 2 fewer kicks than Frost during preseason.

I don't see how this is such a hot controversy. Unless your looking solely at average punting distance, and not taking into account field position, hang-time, return yards, etc., Brooks looks better than Frost, or at the very least, even. In case of tie, go with the guy that is more consistent. In this case, Frost's experience works against him. He has been consistently inconsistent. It will be nice not having to hold my breath on game days hoping that this kick isn't going to be one of his bi-monthly shanks.

[Hrabanmaur]

This is really the first time I'm pissed off at the Post. I've always preferred their pessimistic view when compared with what the Redskins put out with Larry Michael, but this is just stupid. I just can't comprehend why it would make sense to cut a rookie whose numbers are almost as good (actually better depending upon which number you look at) as the incumbent already.

Not to mention, these guys do stuff at practice the coaches look at. Devin Thomas didn't make this team on his preseason performance in games. It's a little something called 'potential' Post. Morons.

I think this is the first time I've ever backed up the front office...is the world going to end?

I hope not!

I think what chafes me is that the Post and journalists are supposed to rise above this. You can read the bitterness in JLC's posts, which is not objective journalism. Let's face it. He got schooled yesterday on the roster cuts. His increasingly personal crusade to criticize the front office has burned so many bridges that he can't get a decent scoop anymore.

As for Thomas and the WRs, how many times have we read the mantra that it takes several seasons for them to adjust to the pro game? Calvin Johnson struggled last year, as did Dwayne Jarret and Robert Meachum (all first rounders, unlike our second). I don't have a problem with Devin and Malcolm being our 4th and 5th WR until they can contribute. In fact, I'd be pissed to see McMullen, with limited potential, starting over these guys, even if he might perform slightly better on the day. Where's the post article with this perspective? It's like JLC expects Thomas and Kelly to replace ARE and Santana right now. That's just not realistic.

[Keino]

The Wise column is preposterous.

[Hrabanmaur]

The Wise column is preposterous.

I laughed outloud when I read the ending punch line -- In the end, if Cerrato's first controversy as top boss is nothing more than Frost popping off on his way out of town, that's one thing. But if this is the first ripple in a locker room questioning his credibility, that's something to really worry about.

How could Frost's comments be a "first ripple in a locker room questioning his credibility" when Frost no longer has a locker in the room? Not to mention, the guy's a punter; I have a hard time believing Frost commanded a locker room following or was a leader that everyone else on the team followed. When he has a quote like this from someone other than a disgruntled castaway, he can say this. Otherwise, what ludicrous speculation on the part of Wise.

[InsomniaKiller]

The last 24 hours have featured some of the most biased, irresponsible journalism about freaking sports that I have witnessed in a long time.

WE GOT RID OF AN INCONSISTENT PUNTER FOR A BETTER PUNTER.

What the hell is going on with these articles??

[JasonCampbell]

The last 24 hours have featured some of the most biased, irresponsible journalism about freaking sports that I have witnessed in a long time.

WE GOT RID OF AN INCONSISTENT PUNTER FOR A BETTER PUNTER.

What the hell is going on with these articles??

Larry Michael has been right all along.

[lorimike]

I hope not!

I think what chafes me is that the Post and journalists are supposed to rise above this. You can read the bitterness in JLC's posts, which is not objective journalism. Let's face it. He got schooled yesterday on the roster cuts. His increasingly personal crusade to criticize the front office has burned so many bridges that he can't get a decent scoop anymore.

As for Thomas and the WRs, how many times have we read the mantra that it takes several seasons for them to adjust to the pro game? Calvin Johnson struggled last year, as did Dwayne Jarret and Robert Meachum (all first rounders, unlike our second). I don't have a problem with Devin and Malcolm being our 4th and 5th WR until they can contribute. In fact, I'd be pissed to see McMullen, with limited potential, starting over these guys, even if he might perform slightly better on the day. Where's the post article with this perspective? It's like JLC expects Thomas and Kelly to replace ARE and Santana right now. That's just not realistic.
<<<

There is something going on with journalism lately. It has become not only biased but irresponsible. I think it has a lot to do with declining circulation and ad. revenue. In response there seems to be a belief that by being controversial you can sell more papers.

As for the receivers I am shocked they didn't keep McMullen. The rest of the roster was pretty much how I thought it would shake out.

[Slobberknocker]

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of keeping only Kelly and Thomas as the 4th and 5th receivers.

Dance with the girl ya brung. We drafted them with the belief that they were both worthy of #2 picks.

This is no different than the Falcons giving Ryan the keys to the car. Maybe a little safer even since Moss, El and Cooley will carry the load.

It's gutsy and may fail, but I understand the logic now. I could tell from a presser Zorn gave awhile ago that he wasn't happy at all with McMullen's lack of separation.

Do or die. Strap 'em up and lets play.

Oh, and as an aside: the decision to start Heyer over Jansen, provided it isn't solely due to injury, tells me that the staff isn't looking at the situation with burgundy-colored glasses. Moves WILL be made as the situation warrants.

Zorn, I believe, may have a lot to learn, but he will be proactive in his decision making.

[smoak]

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of keeping only Kelly and Thomas as the 4th and 5th receivers.

Dance with the girl ya brung. We drafted them with the belief that they were both worthy of #2 picks.

This is no different than the Falcons giving Ryan the keys to the car. Maybe a little safer even since Moss, El and Cooley will carry the load.

It's gutsy and may fail, but I understand the logic now. I could tell from a presser Zorn gave awhile ago that he wasn't happy at all with McMullen's lack of separation.

Do or die. Strap 'em up and lets play.

Oh, and as an aside: the decision to start Heyer over Jansen, provided it isn't solely due to injury, tells me that the staff isn't looking at the situation with burgundy-colored glasses. Moves WILL be made as the situation warrants.

Zorn, I believe, may have a lot to learn, but he will be proactive in his decision making.

That has been a consistent knock on him since his first days in Philly.

Man, I hope Brooks pans out!

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

LOL at the Derrick Frost comments. Self inflated egos get you nowhere buddy. I'm even happier that we kept Brooks now.

[Keino]

Larry Michael has been right all along.

Sorry, but your Avatar, tagline and this post really make it hard to like you. LOL :sun:

[silverspring]

Frost must be kidding me. Frost is an utter tease. He will show us a quality string of kicks but then as soon as we get excited about him, he reverts back to shanking kicks. Not too mention, does he think we forget his penalty issue. The only thing frost consistently did was be a good tackler.

The most telling thing is teams aren't lining up to pick him up. I am sure some desperate squad will but if he was so great he wouldn't still be jobless.

And I must say JLC really did take some shameless pokes at the FO.

[bergiemoore]

Frost must be kidding me. Frost is an utter tease. He will show us a quality string of kicks but then as soon as we get excited about him, he reverts back to shanking kicks. Not too mention, does he think we forget his penalty issue. The only thing frost consistently did was be a good tackler.

The most telling thing is teams aren't lining up to pick him up. I am sure some desperate squad will but if he was so great he wouldn't still be jobless.

And I must say JLC really did take some shameless pokes at the FO.

You have to be a sure tackler if your going to out-kick your coverage team every time.

[Skins-fo-life]

I would hate to see how the media reacts after Brooks shenks a punt or misses a snap, or has a punt blocked. I have never heard so much press about a punter in my life. What is JLC trying to prove? Its just a punter, get over it. I'm sure there will be more to hear on Washington Post Live tomorrow about this. Lets just pray we don't see a headline stating "Rookie punter loses the game on missed snap that results in a touchdown for opposing team. This is beating a dead horse.

[Slobberknocker]

How COOL was it to hear how well Durant Brooks was punting on Sunday, his first chance to relax since winning the job. Zorn sounds positively giddy in the redskins.com video, asking the reporters if they saw what the kid did in practice, something along the lines of, "It was pretty awesome to watch."

[shally]

LOL at the Derrick Frost comments. Self inflated egos get you nowhere buddy. I'm even happier that we kept Brooks now.

how stupid could he be ? if brooks flamed out frost has to know he would be among the first to be called. now ? i dont think so..

[jtovb2005]

There is mention in today's Post of an email from Frost (not sure who it was too) sort of saying "really didn't mean all that". Probably thinking the same about coming back if need be.

Wise's column in the Post also seemed a little out of line. Both of them chalk it up to some sort of a big obvious conspiracy. From Frost I guess I can understand, I remember a couple of years ago or so a story about Frost. He seemed to have a big of an anger problem if I remember the story correctly. Wise on the other hand seems a little over the top. A: this is the punter position, B: Brooks did not do a bad job. Even if they were even the team does not have to have any "good" reason to take one or the other. heck they could have done it by flipping a coin. :)

[NCskinsfanatic]

Well Frost is a Packer now so all's well that rolls well...shank, doh lol.
http://gridironfans.com/forums/latest-nfl-headlines/69281-packers-sign-ex-redskins-p-derrick-frost.html

[HanburgerBum]

There is mention in today's Post of an email from Frost (not sure who it was too) sort of saying "really didn't mean all that". Probably thinking the same about coming back if need be.

Wise's column in the Post also seemed a little out of line. Both of them chalk it up to some sort of a big obvious conspiracy. From Frost I guess I can understand, I remember a couple of years ago or so a story about Frost. He seemed to have a big of an anger problem if I remember the story correctly. Wise on the other hand seems a little over the top. A: this is the punter position, B: Brooks did not do a bad job. Even if they were even the team does not have to have any "good" reason to take one or the other. heck they could have done it by flipping a coin. :)


I would have had more respect for Frost if he had stuck with his original whinning comments. Now, he is acting like a weasel trying to backtrack.

Derrick, it's too late, you have already burned your bridges here. And, the whole League already knows what a mouthy ingrate you are. The Skins gave you three years in the NFL. You presumably made over a million dollars before taxes even if you don't play another game. Where could someone with your limited skills make that kind of money coming out of college?

[colkurtz]

Frost made some hot comments then reissued a retracted statement in pure Washington political fashion. At least the kid or his agent knows how to write a good, sycophantic e-mail.

Now he's gone to the Packers. Bye. Life as a punter in the NFL.

[jtovb2005]

<<<

There is something going on with journalism lately. It has become not only biased but irresponsible. I think it has a lot to do with declining circulation and ad. revenue. In response there seems to be a belief that by being controversial you can sell more papers.

As for the receivers I am shocked they didn't keep McMullen. The rest of the roster was pretty much how I thought it would shake out.

It bleeds all over the place in papers. They need to make a buck. The public is not interested in reading the paper anymore, nor do they want to take the time and brain power required to read depth and quality (goes hand in hand to me). Now you have editors lowering there standards and young journalists not being very good. Also there is so much more for them to do in various other types of news or analysis type jobs, maybe they are trying to make a name for themselves. Throw in what seems to me their old home favorite team bias the quality of what they put out just seems to go down to me. It may sound goofy but I think the writers ought to at least act like they are home team reporters and be honest and objective. You don't have to be a homer and only write glowing articles to do that, look at the stuff we go back and forth with here.

The same day I think, there was an article about Colley. The writer mentioned getting the Tomahawk back. The guy who lost it was described as a "fanatic". I guess Chief Zee could be described as that but geez he is acting like he was just some regular fanatic. The guys is either some dummy from out of town or say 21 or someone that never watches the Skins.

[wr70beh]

The last 24 hours have featured some of the most biased, irresponsible journalism about freaking sports that I have witnessed in a long time.

WE GOT RID OF AN INCONSISTENT PUNTER FOR A BETTER PUNTER.

What the hell is going on with these articles??

Before we call Brooks a "better punter", lets see how he does in real time game situations. Preseason is basically an over-glorified scrimmage. If he does well, then you were right. I think the jury is still out on Brooks.

Frost, on the other hand, has shown inconsistencies, and his comments after getting cut may or may not have some merit to them. It does seem like sour grapes, though. Obviously he wasn't a slouch to someone since he signed with a team right away.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

The Redskins cutting Frost is an example of addition by subtraction. Even Lavar Arrington would have been an upgrade.

[HanburgerBum]

Before we call Brooks a "better punter", lets see how he does in real time game situations. Preseason is basically an over-glorified scrimmage. If he does well, then you were right. I think the jury is still out on Brooks.

Frost, on the other hand, has shown inconsistencies, and his comments after getting cut may or may not have some merit to them. It does seem like sour grapes, though. Obviously he wasn't a slouch to someone since he signed with a team right away.


Let's see how long Frost last in GB. Punters like him are a dime a dozen.
I normally could care less who is the punter. But, Frost's sour grapes statement when he left ticked me off.

[HAWGZHEAD]

Brooks also pinned opponents inside their 20 5 times while Frost only did so 4 times. This stat has more to do with field position than anything else, but it is important to note that Brooks had 2 fewer kicks than Frost during preseason.


And I remember at least 3 times that Frost had the opportunity to easily put the ball inside the twenty and failed each time. Inconsistent is his game and it didn't start here. 1 superlative kick I remember from his days in Cleveland was a six yard shank from inside his own endzone. Goodbye Frost you will not be missed by many if any.

[akhhorus]

<<<

There is something going on with journalism lately. It has become not only biased but irresponsible. I think it has a lot to do with declining circulation and ad. revenue. In response there seems to be a belief that by being controversial you can sell more papers.


So, their master plan is to push a false story on a website anyone can see for free?

I read both articles(didn't realize there was a kefluffle on this), JLC's article is straight reporting of both Frost and the Skins' comments on the situation. Wise's article is a little more biting, but his thrust is that Cerrato's rep is riding on the line somewhat with Brooks(and all the rookies). However, JLC's job is to report the facts, Wise's job is to offer his opinions.

[Slobberknocker]

Ah, Frosty, we hardly knew ye.
http://www.packers.com/team/players/frost_derrick/

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Apparently, Frost couldnt help himself and had to take one last jab at the skins:

http://www.homermcfanboy.com/2008/09/03/a-frosty-world/

“Last year, looking back at it, I think I kicked too many balls. I think I wore myself out. I’m a real hard-nosed guy and I work really hard, and sometimes I don’t work smart. This offseason, I really focused on working smarter.”

So apparently Frost 'wore himself out' kicking too much last year, and that's the reason he was so inconsistent. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

I can't beleive this guy. Doesn't he know kickers are supposed to keep their mouths shut?

[saratogan]

Thanks to each of you for all the comments to my comments.

For me, the bottom line was Frost was inconsistent. At times, when the Redskins needed his best, he did not deliver. That is where my support for him turned south.

wr70beh makes a good point:

"Before we call Brooks a "better punter", lets see how he does in real time game situations. Preseason is basically an over-glorified scrimmage. If he does well, then you were right. I think the jury is still out on Brooks."

Brooks must prove himself during the regular season. However, during pre-season, I believe he showed he had the hang time and kicked as good as, if not better than, Frost. His potential, in the long run, is much better.

Tomorrow night will be Brooks' first test. I hope he does extremely well.

[jtovb2005]

So, their master plan is to push a false story on a website anyone can see for free?

I read both articles(didn't realize there was a kefluffle on this), JLC's article is straight reporting of both Frost and the Skins' comments on the situation. Wise's article is a little more biting, but his thrust is that Cerrato's rep is riding on the line somewhat with Brooks(and all the rookies). However, JLC's job is to report the facts, Wise's job is to offer his opinions.

I didn't read JLC's story on this. My comments were kind of based on Wise's column. Your right he is there for opinions (a news distinction I always seem to have to point out to people) but I thought his were a little goofy. Reading in-between the lines he seemed to me that Frost had to be kept, anything other than that was a big con job or something like that, he even seemed kind of mad. That is getting a little overboard with the so so job Frost has done over the years.

What's a kefluffle?

[akhhorus]

I didn't read JLC's story on this. My comments were kind of based on Wise's column. Your right he is there for opinions (a news distinction I always seem to have to point out to people) but I thought his were a little goofy. Reading in-between the lines he seemed to me that Frost had to be kept, anything other than that was a big con job or something like that, he even seemed kind of mad. That is getting a little overboard with the so so job Frost has done over the years.

What's a kefluffle?

I meant kerfluffle, my bad. I think Wise's point was to discuss the rookie class, and how little we've seen from 2 of the top 3 picks, so Vinny better be right about Brooks, or he'll be accused to dumping a vet for a rookie just to try and make his first draft "on his own"(not saying that Vinny had total say, just that the skins are claiming that now) look better. Its a semi-valid argument. JLC was right down the middle with his reporting imo.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

I meant kerfluffle, my bad. I think Wise's point was to discuss the rookie class, and how little we've seen from 2 of the top 3 picks, so Vinny better be right about Brooks, or he'll be accused to dumping a vet for a rookie just to try and make his first draft "on his own"(not saying that Vinny had total say, just that the skins are claiming that now) look better. Its a semi-valid argument. JLC was right down the middle with his reporting imo.

I agree with your analysis, but I have some real problems with Wise. First, can the rookies play one meaningful game before we start to judge them? Second, if he is going to judge on preseason, we have seen some production from Brooks, Jackson, Davis and Reinhart. I know this draft will ultimately be judged on Kelly, Thomas and Davis, but not bad to have four rookies (may be more that I am missing) stand out at certain times during the preseason.

[greatest2]

just because they may be right, or may have some merit, doesn't mean you say them publicly.

If you had these problems go to the FO and ask for a talk about it or ask for a release. Dont do nothing about it, and then pop off to the press. thats being a coward.
and if im not mistaken, the final game was supposed to be all brooks, but you split time with him, not to mention he had better net yards, which really is all that matters. give me a break

[saratogan]

Vinny Cerrato, while on Comcast Sportsnet show, stated that Brooks won the job because he was the better punter. The key being his hang time was better than Frost's. Vinny specifically mentioned the last game and Frost's punts, including his one "boomer", which was a line drive that got returned because the coverage team could not get down to it. He further said that the team had told Frost at the beginning that was the teams concern with his kicking. After Cerrato answered Comcast's interviewers questions as to what was the deciding factor ( i.e. hangtime), the Comcast's commentator came back and remarked that Brooks had a better net average and that was it; Cerrato came right back and said it was the hang time. Well, the commentator came back, again, and said it was the net. (Interesting who is talking to whom and being told what - and what are the facts). The bottom line is, however, that the coaches met and made the decision that they felt Brooks was the better punter.:readme: